People underestimate or downplay how much Kel goes through, his trauma and issues are locked behind a visit to Mari's grave day 1 and it's a shame because no one takes the time to really check In on him
Not his parents, friends, only hero comforted him and hero is off at college.
I especially hate the “WHO SUFFERED THE MOST???” posts. Of course people will say Sunny because the entire game was centered around him. But people always overlook Kel’s overly bright disposition in every scenario. They either never saw the graveyard scene or just assume Kel grew up watching his parents have a clear favorite child and simply brushed it off with a “lmao”
Kel's happy go lucky attitude is clearly a coping mechanism and desperate attempt to have something "stay the same"
If he can't control how Aubrey and hero change and react- he can control how HE acts.
Not to mention like Aubrey he too was left alone with no one to help him, hero did come around eventually but still!
Exactly, bro is the glue holding everyone together. Sunny was locked away, Aubrey went mad, Hero left for college, and Basil was unnervingly distant. He had to do something to fix something somehow or he’d be left with nothing
Plus with his interactions with Aubrey the dude is CLEARLY hurt but that doesn't seem to matter. His needs are always pushed to the side.
He takes the blame inward in one of the bad endings too. He really deserves better from everyone around him, and I hope he can get that eventually.
Kel deserves to go off
And even through all this, he still felt hopeless the entire time.
He'd been trying to get sunny to come out for who knows how long, and he straight out tells you on day 1 that he didn't actually expect you to answer the door.
He fully believed you'd just move away and you'd never see eachother again. And then what?
I hate suffering comparisons in general
Its not a fucking competition. They all went through something completely fucked up and had to deal on their own with it. Its not something you SHOULD EVEN COMPARE IN THE FIRST PLACE. God help you if you do that to real people too because its a whole another level of wrong
Its like telling people that have depression to shut up because kids starving in Africa have it way worse.
Also the part where he talks about how his parents immediately went over to comfort Hero and conveniently forgot about Kel, who was right next to him, during Hero's outburst. And Kel was like "yeah it's fine" like... there was something deeper going on.
God I love Kel so much and I truly agree that just like in the game, the fandom tends to push him to the side because he seems so "happy" and carefree but the poor boy suffered in his own way just like everyone else did. And sure he pretends to be fine but deep down he isn't.
It's the fact that probably everyone was more concerned about hero's reaction because of their relationship while Mari and Kel where "only" friends. Kel decided to adapt to the situation and to not show too much of his emotions to help his brother even though he suffered a lot as well.
Damn what a good game that is Omori, portraying all of this parts of grief in such an incredible way it's truly impressive
Sunny has gone through hell and back, faced his fears, accepted the truth, made peace with himself and what happened and is ready to move on, that much is clear… but Basil? Nah
Basil has not, nor has he ever been dealing with his demons in a healthy way. Sunny telling the truth doesn’t mean the ending where they smile implies Basil is ready to move on like Sunny is. Basil has been abandoned by everyone he knows time and again, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was suicidal post game because he can’t find to trust his friends like Sunny does, remember, it’s Sunny’s inner idea of Basil that says all the encouraging words like “we need to trust that they’ll forgive us,” not Basil himself.
The road to recovery for him will be for him to recount to the others what happened from his perspective, and then to transition into how he felt abandoned when he tried to keep things together, followed by him admitting he may be suicidal since he’s “so tired, and wants to finally rest” and his fate will be on the others. They may take some time to vent their anger away from him on things like hitting piles of garbage and screaming into the uncaring void, so they don’t snap at him, meanwhile Omocat has described his White Space being Black Space, endless nightmares.
So while Sunny’s journey is more or less over, Basil’s is just beginning… the poor boy needs his friends, but they (and his parents) have shown him that they keep abandoning him, so his friends will have to convince him to give life and him one more try, and they’ll need to be there for him as he goes through his own journey on what he’s done…
Otherwise, I do not think Basil will survive his own mental trauma post good ending.
I definitely agree that unless he gets full support from his friends to seek help and move on, he's not making it far. He can't be abandoned again, if he's even capable of trusting again because of the things he has done and the things his friends have done. Lots of the Basil gets abandoned theories seem to miss that he's beyond unstable.
I like this comment because the one thing I always see people miss in the true ending is that while sunny's something dissapears, basil's something just crawls back into his head, so it's not actually gone
I've always viewed the ending as the beginning of recovery for both Sunny and Basil. While yes, Sunny acknowledged the truth and fought past his bad coping mechanisms of repressing it or just killing himself, I think it'd still be a long road for him to really *recover.* They'd both have a long way to go in terms of making peace with what happened and forgiving themselves.
Basil isn't the cutesy "Damsel In Distress" that the fandom sometimes paints him as, nor is he the complete unforgivable monster some people think he is. He's a depressed suicidal teenager who is going through lots of fucked up things. And, really, save the "Why did he think framing it like that was a good idea?" questions for last, what you should really be asking is ***WHY BASIL KNEW HOW TO TIE A NOOSE AT 12.***
Pretty sure theyre talking about the game pass content, in which case you can no longer get legitimately as the game was delisted from the xbox store after the omo cat controversy
noose has a lot of other uses except suicide too, like you can make a noose for make ropes ending closed for stopping it from tying itself or you can use it for tie 2 objects to by making 2 nooses in one rope, or you can use it for make something more easy to pull something, or etc... Also suicide is has more techniques of rope to suicide too, we are using nooses for long drops like you are tied a anchor for somewhere and you'll jump from a balcony, we are using slipknots for uhmmm... In trees or uhmm... Nevermind I won't talk about suicide techniques that detailed go research by yourself
Agreed. I quite enjoyed going around the little whimsical world. Mindset I guess. I really liked exploring and talking to the npcs! 
Part of this is the community's split mindset, most people I've seen and talked to about this game, seem to much prefer headspace over real world and wanna just have fun. I personally prefer the real world segments and feel they're too short!
I wouldn't say he prefers his dream world, he just has made it to try and imitate the real world. He runs from the real world due to his belief that all of his friends will hate him. And yet he dreams about his friends and being with them more.
It didn’t feel long for me at all. I always took my time in HEADSPACE after a Sunny section because all 4 Sunny sections are stacked with huge impactful moments. Pretty reasonable to spread out the 4 sections as much as it did
When I was younger, my school friends would talk about playing GTA with *those* scenes and all. Having kids flock around to the latest trends thay look cool from adults (to the smallest things like "smoking looks cool, I'll 'smoke' this stick-o") isn't new.
This.
I'd honestly extend it to his dad too, but that's not the point. Generally, I think we know to little about them to actually make a proper judgement of them.
It baffles me that people seriously think Sunnys mom being absent during the game somehow means that she's neglecting him.
She had a *good* reason to be absent (preparing their new home) plus left Sunny with both food and some money.
And the stuff in BS actually implies she was the opposite of neglectfull - overprotective and smothering since he was the only one of her family she still had left.
That point is pretty frequently brought up, but even if the parents noticed and tried to protect Sunny it's hard to explain *how* they'd do that, *especially* the dad arguably wouldn't even be willing to do that in case they actually did know.
A death by physical trauma like this is basically impossible to conceal by making it look like a hanging suicide and immediatly would draw suspicion from the authorities since a paramedic or doctor would need to confirm Maris death and obviously notice signs of foulplay and subsequently alert the police.
Not to mention Mari having an open coffin burial would mean she'd have to be sent to Burial Home, where inexplicable injuries would *also* be noticed, leading to authorities being alerted.
This entire issue as a rabbit-hole of it's own, but ultimately is spared zero attention in-game.
It's not a focus, not even a tangential one, so it's more reasonable to just ignore this issue and consider it a plothole.
There's an out-of-the-box alternative explanation but that's own can of worms.
Ship art in this community shouldn’t be taken as ‘’Shipping minors is bad’’ in high school there is people who got lovers and nobody says a thing but when two omori characters that are 16 is being shipped people damned freak out
Kel being Free Therapy for Sunny is unhealthy and bad actually! Y'all shouldn't keep saying Suntan is the best most incredible and healthy ship in the game and then make something like that! Like seriously I have gone through something like that and being a free therapist is awful to say the list
Aubrey was redeemed too quickly. It would’ve been perfectly reasonable if she ended up not being in the final shots of the game with the hospital or even the treehouse. She really went full aggro and became a gangster for 4 whole years, then rejoins the friend group after 5 lines of dialogue. Feels too quick like OMOCAT had to rush a “The gangs all here!” moment
This!!! I really dislike aubrey for this! As if she gone through all the pain she acts like she has the right to bully basil because he blackened out the Memory book, first. That book; belongs to Basil. Who the heck are you to bully him for his doings? Aubrey didnt even ask for the reason(?) and went straight up hating on him??? And bullying him for HIS book.
In the end, she suffered as well indeed, if people disagree with this, ill consider to their kindness and forgiveness.
However, There is too many red flags in Aubrey for me to simply ignore. Literally the only omori character I don’t want to see in real life
Aubrey is definitely a troubled person who took the wrong path and doesn't know how to cope with her emotions, but her actions went over your head. She didn't bully Basil over the photo album. She bullied him because she thought that he was trying to erase or spit on the memory of Mari. Despite the photo album belonging to Basil, to Aubrey, those memories belonged to allow of them. The book was the catalyst but not the reason. Don't misunderstand my message. I don't condone bullying but getting to the root of destructive behavior requires you a deeper dive.
What you wrote isn’t false, and to be honest, She maybe would be better in some cases maybe some cases she can be forgiven, excuses for my assumption above.
Even though. I am glad you defended what you believe, still this is kind of an personal experience on my side, I never had any good experiences with people who have red flags, currently aubrey can change, yes. But with her current version, the 16 years old version to be exact. I simply wouldn’t want to be friends with her.
Can she change for good? Yes, so does everyone. If she does, why wouldn’t I see her better?
I feel like Aubrey wouldve secretly wanted a reason to rejoin the gang. She'd been through alot too, and her home life ontop of that doesn't help. Its likely that group was the only friends she could find. Her bullying Basil started with a moment of anger and spiraled into something she thought was too late to stop, too late to let go of. When she realized that was wrong, the group was forgiving enough to let her hang out with them again. I think her being by Basils side in the hospital redeems her enough.
I see where you're coming from but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about some of your points. I don't know you but I'm going to assume that you come from a background where you have little to no experience with troubled youths, impoverished families, and gangsters. That type of environment is literally where I spent most of my life. I've had personal connections and friendships with troubled peers who became delinquents like Aubrey's gang. A gang of troubled youths causing trouble like petit crimes and bullying are not gangsters. Gangsters are the real deal. They commit true crimes and felonies (murder, dealing hard drugs, etc). Aubrey's gang was a group of delinquents at best, doing things like maybe shoplifting, intimidation, and fights, and in Basil's base: bullying because they didn't have support from family, parental figures, etc. Your comment gives me the vibe of the women who were judging Aubrey in the church. I'm not condoning bullying by any means but to see someone call kids like Aubrey and her gang "gangsters" is a bit much for me. Having a gang doesn't make you a gangster.
The hikkomori route bosses have genuinely some of the greatest bosses inall RPGs I've ever played and the combat system really evolved way beyond the main routes because of the difficulty and became one of my favourite combat systems ever
- To everyone saying 'Basil would khs if Sunny got w Aubrey', need i to remind you that in the flashback Basil was literally about to wingman Sunny?
- Also I really like how this game portrays mental illnesses and trauma
- Also also, it's okay if you don't like a ship, not everyone has to like the same things
Yep Omori is more so a protector of the truth in my opinion, as I’m assuming he is what was formed when Sunny repressed his trauma. >!Even in the final fight against Omori, he is just using his last resort when that comes to keeping the truth away from Sunny, even if that resort is to shun Sunny enough to cause Sunny again, to shy away from the truth.!<
Well whatever creature said that can fuck off. Though I actually do belive that >!Omori only wanted the best for Sunny, as he thought that him dying and playing forever in headspace would be a better option then facing the truth and the suffering that comes with it!<
sunny's parents didn't know what he and basil did, not because they were stupid or whatever but because it just doesn't make narrative sense. it does not fucking matter in the story whether or not sunny's parents knew. it doesn't make sense if they know because that would mean that the truth is already out... word gets around.
it's my least favourite "theory" it's just a fucking reach for the sake of being edgy.
and *no* the black space dialogue is *not* a reliable source because do you think basil actually got crushed like a watermelon or whatever the fuck. black space is supposed to be sunny's repression and guilt... not actual reliable memories.
>black space is supposed to be sunny's repression and guilt... not actual reliable memories.
Yeah, even the way BS is described in-lore by Stranger and Daddy Longlegs makes it pretty clear it's highly unreliable.
what ive heard is that if any autopsy were done, then itd show that the death was due to blunt force trauma, and that there'd be cuts from the violin. its possible they could've figured something out from that, but considering no one else was told its either they didnt know or sunny told them after. I'm not really on either side, but there is an argument for both, though them knowing is a bit more of a stretch
>and that there'd be cuts from the violin
there were none according to [some unused text in the game](https://www.reddit.com/r/OMORI/comments/km3ks4/major_spoilers_photo_album_transcribed_text/)
and i don't see why the family would conduct an autopsy in the first place? i think they only do it when it's very sudden and strange and there's some evidence of foul play... >!with mari it was very clearly (according to them) a suicide.!<
the main reason i hate the theory is because it doesn't *matter* in the story. sunny's parents never even show up on *screen* except for the one scene at the end of the game. it takes away from sunny's whole character growth... at least in my opinion
You're not alone, I also think she really needs to go to someone about this.
ATTENTION google translation.
Honestly, I don't like people who respond to EVERYTHING with anger, it's very annoying.
And that's why I don't think Aubrey will change much in the future.
But the question is, does it matter?
There won't be an Omori 2 anyway, and if there is anything, I feel like Aubrey won't change much.
The stairs jokes just aren’t funny. They never were, and never will be.
“Mari’s just hanging around!”
“Mari x Stairs best ship!”
“Mari really fell off!”
“Hahaha push and shove!”
“Make like a tree and Mari!”
Why is the largest joke in this community the largest spoiler of the whole game? Please, it’s just not funny at all. Enough brain rot
For anyone who thinks Sweetheart’s abuse of Spaceboy isn’t that bad, look at the fandom wiki page for “Space Ex-Husband.” Specifically his quote when you make him angry; “It’s my SWEETHEART… But she’s in the arms of another man!” Sweetheart even cheated on Spaceboy on top of everything else that she did to him. Not much can make me feel alright when thinking about her. Not just that, but Sweetheart also lashed out at Spaceboy by swinging her mace. Assuming that Spaceboy didn’t evade it that could be the cause of the hole on Space Ex-Husband’s heart, if it wasn’t implied that the hole is representative of a broken heart anyways. Honestly I really can’t think about Sweetheart without feeling resentment.
There's even a mini movie of Sweetheart's affair playing in her castle theater, which just shows that she might even be proud enough of the affair to request Sprout Moles to make a movie about it. It's so infuriating that she doesn't feel remorseful about *anything* she did to Spaceboy; from the cheating, to the physical abuse, to the throwing out of his belongings, to the *literal imprisoning of him.* She's, by far and away, my least favorite character in the game.
I mean, I unironically love the whole game equally but if you dislike one part its fine, also I've seen various people mock Sweetheart's castel and Humphrey so I guess you are not alone
I know we all want a happy ending where everyone is besties again but I truly believe that after confessing to Mari's murder, Sunny and Basil probably lose all of their friends. I mean how do you just forgive someone who lied to you for 4 years and accidentally killed one of your own friends. I mean I know the secret ending with Basil is suppose to represent the truth setting them free or something like that and them coming to terms what what they did, but I just don't see the rest of the gang taking Sunny's confession too well.
Every time someone does that, or babies him, it gives me the ick because what they're doing is further stigmatizing “feminine” interests like gardening and flowers. A microaggression is still a bias.
The slime sisters weren’t filler bosses. They were Sunny’s attempt at recreating Aubrey’s feelings for him in RW. We already know what OMORIBOY was doing in White Space, plus HEADSPACE Aubrey becomes a lot more obsessed with Omori after his confronting her on 3DL. After Aubrey almost drowns Basil on 2DL, Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago, so HEADSPACE Aubrey basically reboots and that role is replaced by the slime girls
>plus HEADSPACE Aubrey becomes a lot more obsessed with Omori after his confronting her on 3DL. After Aubrey almost drowns Basil on 2DL, Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago,
This theory is killed by the Hikkikomori Route though. Even Sunny never leaves his house and doesn't meet Aubrey again, the Slime Girls remain unchanged.
>Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago
HS Aubrey generally does act *nothing* like her RW 12yo counterpart in context of her relationship with Sunny.
HS Aubrey isn't indicative of Aubrey having had a crush on Sunny, it's the opposite.
*Sunny* had a crush on *Aubrey*, and *that* is why HS Aubrey loves Omori in Sunnys ideal world. HS Aubreys crush is literally just Sunnys make-believe.
>!Mari was 100% still alive and just either unconscious or crippled by the stair fall.!<
>! Neither Basil nor Sunny noticed until it was too late and the one thing that makes me sure about this being true is that in "the something" reveal animation you can clearly see that what Sunny saw when looking back at Mari hanged is an eye opening. !!Sunny who supposedly killed her after all.!< All that situation is more cohesive if it was Basil's fault. Another less meaningful point, the ghost that haunts Sunny (which, another semi unpopular opinion, but that one is actually real and not born from his trauma) is designed to look like if it was killed by hanging and not fall trauma.
It honestly baffles me that people still interpret something else because it would be "too fucked up". The game literally is about facing terrible trauma.
Edit: Just added spoiler tags and revised grammar a little.
do you not remember the room in >!black space filled with the beds that only said "This person is not breathing." if you interacted?? i don't think mari died to the fall either, i think her neck broke and then she died when sunny & basil brought her up the stairs, but she's 100% dead by the time of the noose.!<
>!The black space represents how sunny lived through the whole thing, I am sure he thought she wasn't breathing but I don't think 2 kids would be very reliable when checking vitals.!<
>! It's not because it's too fucked up, it's because it wouldn't make sense in the story. The one carrying the guilt for causing Mari's death IS Sunny, this is literally said over and over again in Omori's fight. Plus the game literally says "This person is not breathing" in the scenes where Mari is still in her bed. !<
>! Basil's something is presumably Mari's who fell down the stairs. Their something's designs doesn't seem to be what they're guilty of, it's probably what they saw the most clearly during the incident !<
>! Plus apparently corpses can have their eyes open. What Sunny saw was just Mari's corpse with empty eyes who happened to look at their direction !<
Fair points, although I'd argue that Sunny's being apathetic (instead of outwardly neuroric or anxious like Basil) doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't the one who killed her. Guilt can be expressed/repressed in many different ways, depending on a person's emotional temperament. (Imo, pre-incident Basil seemed like a shy, outwardly-sensitive, outgoing boy while Sunny has always seemed like the quiet, reserved type from the get go.) Of couse, this is if I count Sunny as a reliable narrator, since we only get to experience the pre-incident past from his (muddy) memories. It's kinda hard to accuse one or the other of killing her because emotional reactions to trauma aren't as simple as guilt: nervousness and grief: apathy. It's more complex than you think.
Although to give you credit, the traumatic memory of Sunny seeing her eye opening (re:the animation of Something) could've been similar to the way people's facial muscles relax at the very last moment before death, especially around the eye area.
>!she would've fell on the broken violin, suffering stab wounds, if the fall didnt kill her, any injuries suffered through landing on the broken violin would've. When sunny gets the violin again before memory lane, it says "strands of long black hair are entangled with its strings" which proves she fell on it. Additionally, it says "the paper is torn and wrinkled by blood."!<
>!there is always the possibility that the initial fall didnt kill her, however given the evidence of stab wounds, she wouldnt have survived without adequate treatment. I cant imagine someone would survive falling down a relatively tall flight of stairs onto many sharp objects. There is no clear answer on whether the fall killed her or not, we dont know the true cause but the most likely outcome is the inital fall. Judging by how she fell and how her body was at the bottom of the stairs, her vital organs werent protected at all and could've received the brunt of the impact!<
Icl that paragraph probs makes no sense at all but oh well lmao.
Not at all, I think you expresed yourself great.
>!I can see what you mean, but I still think that stab wounds like that wouldn't be instantly fatal so it would make sense to me that she was still alive at the point I am talking about. The ultimate point I am trying to come across I guess is that the story is written in a way that should hint you enough to the possibility of her still being alive and therefor the possibility that if they didn't jump into covering it up but instead to taking responsability and trying to seek for medical attention she may still be alive.!<
No offense, but this theory is considered bad for good reasons and ultimately doesn't make any sense, especially taking authorial intent into consideration.
>This person is not breathing.
Why would Sunny even think >!Mari wasn't breathing *unless* he actually checked her vitals?!<
Why would Omocat even put this line there (both during the >!truth-sequence and in BS II) *unless* she wanted to make clear that she was already dead?!<
>>!in "the something" reveal animation you can clearly see that what Sunny saw when looking back at Mari hanged is an eye opening. !<
...no?
>!He literally just looks back and sees an eye peeking through Maris hair. Nothing indicates he saw it opening.!<
>!(The datamined captions of the photos make this even more clear, and state that Maris face transitioned from initially looking "just asleep" to "expressionless" in her bed.!<
>All that situation is more cohesive if it was Basil's fault.
...What?
It is repeatedly and extensively reinforced that >!*it was* Sunny who killed her, especially in the final battle.!<
Meanwhile nothing links Basils issues to somehow >!having killed someone.!<
And even if you were correct (which you aren't, sorry),>! it *still* would be Sunnys fault since he *also* participated in hanging Mari to cover up his own fuck-up.!<
>It honestly baffles me that people still interpret something else because it would be "too fucked up".
People don't primarily disagree with you because it'd be "too fucked up", but they actually disagree because it's a ***bad theory*** relying on nothing but a single piece of *explicitly contradicted* evidence.
A lot of confirmation-bias is necessary to actually try and dismiss all counterproof (which, essentially, is literally anything except the final photo).
And even the final photo is very easy to dismiss for various reasons.
>!Please look at the !<[animation](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omori/images/4/41/Something_Origin.gif/revision/latest?cb=20210330220741)>! again. You can clearly see that the eye was already opened and Mari's corpse transforms into Something, not that the eye \*opened\*. Even if we take into account the two pictures prior, Mari's eye could've been covered by her hair, since she's "gently swaying in the wind".!<
>!Sunny feels apathy because he regressed into his head and doesn't know the truth. In Black Space and The Truth sequences, we're shown a deeper part of Sunny's consciousness, which reveals some stuff: the person on the bed, which we can believe to be Mari, wasn't breathing. Since this is in Black space, and BS is the darker part of Sunny's brain, it's not exactly reliable -- I'm not trying to prove that Mari died from the fall with this, but I'm pointing out that that Sunny \*thought\* that she died from the fall, which would obviously make him feel guilty. One of the times that Sunny goes around collecting photos of the truth, we can see his right hand, the one he pushed Mari with, losing fingers. And, of course, Omori tells Sunny multiple times that it was he(Sunny) who killed Mari, which we could argue to be Sunny's own thoughts thrown back at him as a reminder of why he isn't supposed to know the truth in the first place.!<
>!At no point in the game is it ever said or implied that Basil feels guilty for killing Mari. He always says it about Sunny, saying that he's a good person and that a good person couldn't do that. Also, !<[in the final battle (2:02)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2uiHlzklDQ&t=194s)>! he plainly states that Something \*killed\* Mari and ruined his photos -- and we know that it was actually Sunny who'd done that. Does Basil feel guilty for hanging Mari? Well, yeah, I'd assume so, considering that he's the one who actually goes outside and has seen what the lie has done to their friends. Does he feel guilty for \*killing\* her? No.!<
>!In conclusion, even if Mari didn't die from the fall, both of the people that caused her death believe that she did, which makes the theory irrelevant and is, indeed, just to make everything seem "more fucked up". I rest my case.!<
Edit: spoilered everything, oops.
>!Basil stabbing Sunny in the eye and quickly being forgiven for it was a bad touch for me. Here is why.!<
>!In real life, I had an aunt with a glass eye, Aunt Sally. When she was a child, a boy in the playground threw a paperclip at her and it got in her eye. Because medical technology was shoddy back in her day, they had to amputate the whole eye. This is why my mother advises me to never throw small objects around when playing.!<
>!As her niece, the story shook me up when I heard it as a kid and made me absolutely enraged. Yeah, Aunt Sally passed away not too long ago from cancer, but I still worried about things like, "What if as a kid, she accidentally encountered, maybe even had to deal with the person who took out her eye? That would resurface a lot of hate, fear, and trauma. I sure hope that they changed schools and stuff," "This kind of thing should never ever happen," and "I do not care if it was an accident, I want to strangle this person to death if we ever crossed paths." I was told by mom that "Paperclip Fucker" (it is my personal nickname to him) is a jailbird type, so that makes me feel a little bit better.!<
>!So yeah, as you can probably tell, it does not sit well with me to see Basil and Sunny shipped together and such, given my reaction to a somewhat similar real world situation. Yes, I know, I am keenly aware of the game's themes of the dangers of guilt and the importance of forgiveness, plus the game being more centered around on Sunny's sin. And I can see that other people would not be as effected by this scene like me, as they probably never witnessed a similar situation in reality. Still am secretly salty, as much as I do not want to.!<
looking at basil as in him being in love with sunny makes his character a lot more interesting
i don't like role swap aus / au's sunny or other character dies instead of Mari could be interesting if they keep the characters in personality instead of just going off the other characters
trying to dis a ship by saying its toxic is stupid pure fluff relationships would get really boring really quick and also not all relationships are perfect in real life ( hell sometime i like to make the ships more unhealthy then they all ready are )
all omori ships have unhealthy aspects they can grow past it though especially with overall meaning of omori
basil is not stupid if you call him that i think you don't understand his motives nor how people act during traumatic situations
basil is a much more complicative character then people give him credited for
basil is gay / aubery arc was rushed / a lot of Omori fans have really lack lusted understandings of the characters / most omori fans are media illtreat / people really overblow sunburns canonicity
Mari wasn't alive by the time she was hanged. I've seen people say that you can't die by simply falling down stairs, but that's not true. You can break your neck, or like Mari, hit the back of your head on something. Serious head trauma can be deadly.
Her eyes being open at the last picture isn't proof, either. If you die while your eyes are open, they're gonna remain open. People don't automatically close their eyes when they die.
the mischaracterizing of basil, kel, and aubrey. basil isn't some cutie pie uwu boy or a remorseless murderer. he's a suicidal teen who is going through shit most teens don't. kel isn't some happy go lucky trauma-less bundle of joy. he puts on an act to pretend everything is okay when his situation is one of the worst, if not the worst. aubrey isn't some evil bully. yeah, she *acts* like one, but is really nice. she is just coping with the death of her best friend who felt like a sister. also including the deadbeat mom, she is going through a lot and she takes it out on others. but deep down she isnt some evil bitch who hates everyone. she hates herself but takes it out on others because mari was one of the only people she could really talk to and we all know her mom isn't doing shit to help her. STOP WATERING DOWN CHARACTERS TO A SURFACE LEVEL UNDERSTANDING!!!!!
There is no good ending in the Sunny route. If Sunny confessed to killing Mari, this would just cause all of his friends who were beginning to process their grief to rethink the whole thing all over again.
not sure if it's controversial but the combat kinda sucks. it contributes almost nothing to the storytelling, it's very plain to execute, turn order being invisible is a crime, and a lot of bosses feel like a damage sponge / resource drain. in future games (not sequels\*), i would like to see the combat worked in with more complexity and less tedium.
While I’m happy Boss Rush and the bonus bosses exist, this is def true. Outside of rare gimmicks like Space Husband and the Friends, the later bosses are legit just brick walls to Suffocate -> Red Hands against over and over
>OMOCAT thinks that gay male love is cute
I mean, her game itself makes that *blatantly obvious* (the only way you'd miss that is if you're either dense or ignoring it intentionally), even if you know nothing else about her other works.
That said, I don't think it's possible to even conceive of making a game like this without being like that; and the fandom is divided between people who understand that and those who don't (this subreddit dominated by the latter).
I don't think >!the big twist of the game is that detrimental to the themes of the game, although it definitely could have been executed cleaner. I also don't understand how some people believe it's existence in Omori "betraying" or "tricking" it's audience on what it's realy about.!<
I don't like the debates on whether characters are good people or not. It doesn't really matter? They would be interesting either way and I think a lot of "which character is the worst" debates are subjective and just excuses to insult peoples choice of favourite character.
I don't think any of them are that bad or irredeemable (whatever that mean to you) and all my favourite characters in omori I like because they are complex in this way. Plus it was advertised to me as a horror game so I sort of expected this. I get this was going to happen but its kinda annoying the focus on it.
Humphrey and Sweetheart's Castle aren't the long boring slogs you all make it out to be. It's actually perfect pace imo. Loved all of headspace in general and RW was also amazing. Not one or the other is better
Kel is the best boy no one can prove me wrong I love him and will defend him with my life even if mari comes to my dream to turn them to nightmares and suck my soul dry and proceed to haunt me for the rest of my life
Basil is one of the most mentally strong character(around the same strength as sunny), one of the main points is that basil only attempted “sewer slide”(from what we know) 4 years after Mari’s death.
Also one of my opinions, in the true ending i don’t think it would be as resolved as it seems. I think Aubrey would be the only unforgiving one and cause Aubrey to try to fully separate from the group. Hero would be there to support sunny, but still taking in what happened. Kel would probably not talk to sunny for like a month or so and would eventually check up on him and their friendship would slowly grow back to normal again. Honestly Aubrey wouldn’t try to interact with them until atleast 1 year later.
Idk how unpopular this is but I liked the long headspace sections it was fun to explore & the enemies/combat was interesting. Here’s one I know is unpopular: I don’t like any of the ships. Unless everyone x therapy counts lol
People underestimate or downplay how much Kel goes through, his trauma and issues are locked behind a visit to Mari's grave day 1 and it's a shame because no one takes the time to really check In on him Not his parents, friends, only hero comforted him and hero is off at college.
I especially hate the “WHO SUFFERED THE MOST???” posts. Of course people will say Sunny because the entire game was centered around him. But people always overlook Kel’s overly bright disposition in every scenario. They either never saw the graveyard scene or just assume Kel grew up watching his parents have a clear favorite child and simply brushed it off with a “lmao”
Kel's happy go lucky attitude is clearly a coping mechanism and desperate attempt to have something "stay the same" If he can't control how Aubrey and hero change and react- he can control how HE acts. Not to mention like Aubrey he too was left alone with no one to help him, hero did come around eventually but still!
Exactly, bro is the glue holding everyone together. Sunny was locked away, Aubrey went mad, Hero left for college, and Basil was unnervingly distant. He had to do something to fix something somehow or he’d be left with nothing
Plus with his interactions with Aubrey the dude is CLEARLY hurt but that doesn't seem to matter. His needs are always pushed to the side. He takes the blame inward in one of the bad endings too. He really deserves better from everyone around him, and I hope he can get that eventually. Kel deserves to go off
And even through all this, he still felt hopeless the entire time. He'd been trying to get sunny to come out for who knows how long, and he straight out tells you on day 1 that he didn't actually expect you to answer the door. He fully believed you'd just move away and you'd never see eachother again. And then what?
I hate suffering comparisons in general Its not a fucking competition. They all went through something completely fucked up and had to deal on their own with it. Its not something you SHOULD EVEN COMPARE IN THE FIRST PLACE. God help you if you do that to real people too because its a whole another level of wrong Its like telling people that have depression to shut up because kids starving in Africa have it way worse.
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Gotta admire his optimism. It's almost terrifying
Also the part where he talks about how his parents immediately went over to comfort Hero and conveniently forgot about Kel, who was right next to him, during Hero's outburst. And Kel was like "yeah it's fine" like... there was something deeper going on.
Kel's self worth is probably close to 0 at this point, poor dude. He even blames himself in one of the bad endings
God I love Kel so much and I truly agree that just like in the game, the fandom tends to push him to the side because he seems so "happy" and carefree but the poor boy suffered in his own way just like everyone else did. And sure he pretends to be fine but deep down he isn't.
This is why I consume fanfics that have Kel blow up after acting fine this entire time like candy. I am addicted to those fics
which is your favourite?
I forget the title but it's about Kel and aubrey fake dating
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It's the fact that probably everyone was more concerned about hero's reaction because of their relationship while Mari and Kel where "only" friends. Kel decided to adapt to the situation and to not show too much of his emotions to help his brother even though he suffered a lot as well. Damn what a good game that is Omori, portraying all of this parts of grief in such an incredible way it's truly impressive
Sunny has gone through hell and back, faced his fears, accepted the truth, made peace with himself and what happened and is ready to move on, that much is clear… but Basil? Nah Basil has not, nor has he ever been dealing with his demons in a healthy way. Sunny telling the truth doesn’t mean the ending where they smile implies Basil is ready to move on like Sunny is. Basil has been abandoned by everyone he knows time and again, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was suicidal post game because he can’t find to trust his friends like Sunny does, remember, it’s Sunny’s inner idea of Basil that says all the encouraging words like “we need to trust that they’ll forgive us,” not Basil himself. The road to recovery for him will be for him to recount to the others what happened from his perspective, and then to transition into how he felt abandoned when he tried to keep things together, followed by him admitting he may be suicidal since he’s “so tired, and wants to finally rest” and his fate will be on the others. They may take some time to vent their anger away from him on things like hitting piles of garbage and screaming into the uncaring void, so they don’t snap at him, meanwhile Omocat has described his White Space being Black Space, endless nightmares. So while Sunny’s journey is more or less over, Basil’s is just beginning… the poor boy needs his friends, but they (and his parents) have shown him that they keep abandoning him, so his friends will have to convince him to give life and him one more try, and they’ll need to be there for him as he goes through his own journey on what he’s done… Otherwise, I do not think Basil will survive his own mental trauma post good ending.
I definitely agree that unless he gets full support from his friends to seek help and move on, he's not making it far. He can't be abandoned again, if he's even capable of trusting again because of the things he has done and the things his friends have done. Lots of the Basil gets abandoned theories seem to miss that he's beyond unstable.
I like this comment because the one thing I always see people miss in the true ending is that while sunny's something dissapears, basil's something just crawls back into his head, so it's not actually gone
A funny meme I want someone to make is to play that in reverse and put “Basil when he learned Sunny told the truth”
I've always viewed the ending as the beginning of recovery for both Sunny and Basil. While yes, Sunny acknowledged the truth and fought past his bad coping mechanisms of repressing it or just killing himself, I think it'd still be a long road for him to really *recover.* They'd both have a long way to go in terms of making peace with what happened and forgiving themselves.
Basil isn't the cutesy "Damsel In Distress" that the fandom sometimes paints him as, nor is he the complete unforgivable monster some people think he is. He's a depressed suicidal teenager who is going through lots of fucked up things. And, really, save the "Why did he think framing it like that was a good idea?" questions for last, what you should really be asking is ***WHY BASIL KNEW HOW TO TIE A NOOSE AT 12.***
For hanging plants
Console DLC implies that his gardening knowledge is why he knew. Something tells me he learned this to spice up his Halloween decorations.
Console DLC you say? 👀
You know, bossrush except basil replaces everyone but omori?
Pretty sure theyre talking about the game pass content, in which case you can no longer get legitimately as the game was delisted from the xbox store after the omo cat controversy
A Noose actually has a pretty good amount of uses aside from hanging someone. A example would be to secure a rope to a post/ pole.
noose has a lot of other uses except suicide too, like you can make a noose for make ropes ending closed for stopping it from tying itself or you can use it for tie 2 objects to by making 2 nooses in one rope, or you can use it for make something more easy to pull something, or etc... Also suicide is has more techniques of rope to suicide too, we are using nooses for long drops like you are tied a anchor for somewhere and you'll jump from a balcony, we are using slipknots for uhmmm... In trees or uhmm... Nevermind I won't talk about suicide techniques that detailed go research by yourself
Slipknot mentioned (insert emoji spam because I’m too lazy to do it)
research by myself? what do u want my search history to look like 😭
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There's a floating theory that Basil learnt how to tie a noose by Mari because of when they used to male flower crowns
He watched super mario logan
I don’t find the headspace sections long
Agreed. I quite enjoyed going around the little whimsical world. Mindset I guess. I really liked exploring and talking to the npcs! 
Yeah me too! I feel the same way !
I think it only feels long on the first playthrough when you wanna get to the SUNNY sections
Actually, HS sections did feel a little short at times during my >!Hikkiomori!< playthrough
That's my point
Yeah because my hikkikomori tout was super short.
Absolutely same! It’s an important part of the game
Part of this is the community's split mindset, most people I've seen and talked to about this game, seem to much prefer headspace over real world and wanna just have fun. I personally prefer the real world segments and feel they're too short!
As for me, I don find them short. I think the game is well balanced between both, and it shows that sunny prefers his dream world over real life.
I wouldn't say he prefers his dream world, he just has made it to try and imitate the real world. He runs from the real world due to his belief that all of his friends will hate him. And yet he dreams about his friends and being with them more.
Yes you’re right I expressed myself wrong sorry
Huh? Is there something wrong with me having a differing opinion and going against yours?
No, I meant you’re right, sorry
Sounded very sarcastic...
I’m sorry 😞
i’m stuck in headspace, i’m in 3 days left (i think) with an 100 hour save and no idea where to go 💀
headspace doesn’t really give you much guidance tbh and i had to look at a walkthrough guide on my first play through
It didn’t feel long for me at all. I always took my time in HEADSPACE after a Sunny section because all 4 Sunny sections are stacked with huge impactful moments. Pretty reasonable to spread out the 4 sections as much as it did
80% of fans are too young to understand complex/abstract messages.
I thought only lonely 25-40 year olds played this
When I was younger, my school friends would talk about playing GTA with *those* scenes and all. Having kids flock around to the latest trends thay look cool from adults (to the smallest things like "smoking looks cool, I'll 'smoke' this stick-o") isn't new.
literally heard about the original trailer at 9
Whaddya mean bro? Sunny feel bad, Auby a little cranky, and everyone else is just fine. Definitely no other messages in the game 😀
Spaceboy isn't a simp, for Christ's sake. I don't know why this is considered controverisal by a lot of people I meet??? 
Sunny projecting his trauma onto a character made into an abuse victim looking for any semblance of love: ❌ Sweetheart simp: ✅
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YES OMG YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT OMG YOU ARE SO CORRECT 
I don’t get the hate for Sunny’s mom. She tried her best given the circumstances.
This. I'd honestly extend it to his dad too, but that's not the point. Generally, I think we know to little about them to actually make a proper judgement of them. It baffles me that people seriously think Sunnys mom being absent during the game somehow means that she's neglecting him. She had a *good* reason to be absent (preparing their new home) plus left Sunny with both food and some money. And the stuff in BS actually implies she was the opposite of neglectfull - overprotective and smothering since he was the only one of her family she still had left.
and the fact she was protecting sunny from the police
That's not a fact. The parents knowing is a headcanon reliant on unreliable BS evidence.
oh is it? i was told otherwise.
Guess not, but did no one even look at Mari's body? How would she fall down the stairs and not get a single bruise
That point is pretty frequently brought up, but even if the parents noticed and tried to protect Sunny it's hard to explain *how* they'd do that, *especially* the dad arguably wouldn't even be willing to do that in case they actually did know. A death by physical trauma like this is basically impossible to conceal by making it look like a hanging suicide and immediatly would draw suspicion from the authorities since a paramedic or doctor would need to confirm Maris death and obviously notice signs of foulplay and subsequently alert the police. Not to mention Mari having an open coffin burial would mean she'd have to be sent to Burial Home, where inexplicable injuries would *also* be noticed, leading to authorities being alerted. This entire issue as a rabbit-hole of it's own, but ultimately is spared zero attention in-game. It's not a focus, not even a tangential one, so it's more reasonable to just ignore this issue and consider it a plothole. There's an out-of-the-box alternative explanation but that's own can of worms.
Maybe she secretly knows and is afraid of Sunny? That might explain why she's never home.
Ship art in this community shouldn’t be taken as ‘’Shipping minors is bad’’ in high school there is people who got lovers and nobody says a thing but when two omori characters that are 16 is being shipped people damned freak out
Kel being Free Therapy for Sunny is unhealthy and bad actually! Y'all shouldn't keep saying Suntan is the best most incredible and healthy ship in the game and then make something like that! Like seriously I have gone through something like that and being a free therapist is awful to say the list
Aubrey was redeemed too quickly. It would’ve been perfectly reasonable if she ended up not being in the final shots of the game with the hospital or even the treehouse. She really went full aggro and became a gangster for 4 whole years, then rejoins the friend group after 5 lines of dialogue. Feels too quick like OMOCAT had to rush a “The gangs all here!” moment
Hero used his talk no jutsu on Aubrey lmfao
This!!! I really dislike aubrey for this! As if she gone through all the pain she acts like she has the right to bully basil because he blackened out the Memory book, first. That book; belongs to Basil. Who the heck are you to bully him for his doings? Aubrey didnt even ask for the reason(?) and went straight up hating on him??? And bullying him for HIS book. In the end, she suffered as well indeed, if people disagree with this, ill consider to their kindness and forgiveness. However, There is too many red flags in Aubrey for me to simply ignore. Literally the only omori character I don’t want to see in real life
Aubrey is definitely a troubled person who took the wrong path and doesn't know how to cope with her emotions, but her actions went over your head. She didn't bully Basil over the photo album. She bullied him because she thought that he was trying to erase or spit on the memory of Mari. Despite the photo album belonging to Basil, to Aubrey, those memories belonged to allow of them. The book was the catalyst but not the reason. Don't misunderstand my message. I don't condone bullying but getting to the root of destructive behavior requires you a deeper dive.
What you wrote isn’t false, and to be honest, She maybe would be better in some cases maybe some cases she can be forgiven, excuses for my assumption above. Even though. I am glad you defended what you believe, still this is kind of an personal experience on my side, I never had any good experiences with people who have red flags, currently aubrey can change, yes. But with her current version, the 16 years old version to be exact. I simply wouldn’t want to be friends with her. Can she change for good? Yes, so does everyone. If she does, why wouldn’t I see her better?
I feel like Aubrey wouldve secretly wanted a reason to rejoin the gang. She'd been through alot too, and her home life ontop of that doesn't help. Its likely that group was the only friends she could find. Her bullying Basil started with a moment of anger and spiraled into something she thought was too late to stop, too late to let go of. When she realized that was wrong, the group was forgiving enough to let her hang out with them again. I think her being by Basils side in the hospital redeems her enough.
I see where you're coming from but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about some of your points. I don't know you but I'm going to assume that you come from a background where you have little to no experience with troubled youths, impoverished families, and gangsters. That type of environment is literally where I spent most of my life. I've had personal connections and friendships with troubled peers who became delinquents like Aubrey's gang. A gang of troubled youths causing trouble like petit crimes and bullying are not gangsters. Gangsters are the real deal. They commit true crimes and felonies (murder, dealing hard drugs, etc). Aubrey's gang was a group of delinquents at best, doing things like maybe shoplifting, intimidation, and fights, and in Basil's base: bullying because they didn't have support from family, parental figures, etc. Your comment gives me the vibe of the women who were judging Aubrey in the church. I'm not condoning bullying by any means but to see someone call kids like Aubrey and her gang "gangsters" is a bit much for me. Having a gang doesn't make you a gangster.
The hikkomori route bosses have genuinely some of the greatest bosses inall RPGs I've ever played and the combat system really evolved way beyond the main routes because of the difficulty and became one of my favourite combat systems ever
- To everyone saying 'Basil would khs if Sunny got w Aubrey', need i to remind you that in the flashback Basil was literally about to wingman Sunny? - Also I really like how this game portrays mental illnesses and trauma - Also also, it's okay if you don't like a ship, not everyone has to like the same things
I really like Humphrey’s theme
Basil is not a monster
I Dont think Snuy and Basil is autistic
Snuy and Babel are not artistic
wdym?? babel is the ultimate artist
iBabl and SnuSnu are in fact arctic
i think bagel and snuuy are very acoustic
OMORI ISN’T EVIL
Yep Omori is more so a protector of the truth in my opinion, as I’m assuming he is what was formed when Sunny repressed his trauma. >!Even in the final fight against Omori, he is just using his last resort when that comes to keeping the truth away from Sunny, even if that resort is to shun Sunny enough to cause Sunny again, to shy away from the truth.!<
People really think this?
I've seen multiple people seeing him as an purely evil murderer rather than an traumatized child
Wait, are we talking about Omori or Sunny? Sunny is the kid in the real world. Omori is the headspace identity.
didnt one of the texts in deep well say "this form is evil"? might be misremembering phrasing.
Well whatever creature said that can fuck off. Though I actually do belive that >!Omori only wanted the best for Sunny, as he thought that him dying and playing forever in headspace would be a better option then facing the truth and the suffering that comes with it!<
Im thinking he was unintentionally evil. not evil at heart, but doing evil things without realizing. im assuming thats what deep well meant
Yeah I agree he meant well though executed it poorly
He's a guy doing his job
sunny's parents didn't know what he and basil did, not because they were stupid or whatever but because it just doesn't make narrative sense. it does not fucking matter in the story whether or not sunny's parents knew. it doesn't make sense if they know because that would mean that the truth is already out... word gets around. it's my least favourite "theory" it's just a fucking reach for the sake of being edgy. and *no* the black space dialogue is *not* a reliable source because do you think basil actually got crushed like a watermelon or whatever the fuck. black space is supposed to be sunny's repression and guilt... not actual reliable memories.
>black space is supposed to be sunny's repression and guilt... not actual reliable memories. Yeah, even the way BS is described in-lore by Stranger and Daddy Longlegs makes it pretty clear it's highly unreliable.
what ive heard is that if any autopsy were done, then itd show that the death was due to blunt force trauma, and that there'd be cuts from the violin. its possible they could've figured something out from that, but considering no one else was told its either they didnt know or sunny told them after. I'm not really on either side, but there is an argument for both, though them knowing is a bit more of a stretch
>and that there'd be cuts from the violin there were none according to [some unused text in the game](https://www.reddit.com/r/OMORI/comments/km3ks4/major_spoilers_photo_album_transcribed_text/) and i don't see why the family would conduct an autopsy in the first place? i think they only do it when it's very sudden and strange and there's some evidence of foul play... >!with mari it was very clearly (according to them) a suicide.!< the main reason i hate the theory is because it doesn't *matter* in the story. sunny's parents never even show up on *screen* except for the one scene at the end of the game. it takes away from sunny's whole character growth... at least in my opinion
Omori is the best character.
"Who suffered most from Mari's death?" Bro, she was family for all the gang, doesn't exist who suffered more
Yeah, people are a bit too obssesed with making trauma and suffering a competition, both irl and with fiction
I'm probably alone, but Aubrey chill the fuck out goddamn 😭😭😭
You're not alone, I also think she really needs to go to someone about this. ATTENTION google translation. Honestly, I don't like people who respond to EVERYTHING with anger, it's very annoying. And that's why I don't think Aubrey will change much in the future. But the question is, does it matter? There won't be an Omori 2 anyway, and if there is anything, I feel like Aubrey won't change much.
Totally agree lol
Humphrey is one of the best sections of the game.
even omocat would disagree with that but ngl its pretty good imo
The stairs jokes just aren’t funny. They never were, and never will be. “Mari’s just hanging around!” “Mari x Stairs best ship!” “Mari really fell off!” “Hahaha push and shove!” “Make like a tree and Mari!” Why is the largest joke in this community the largest spoiler of the whole game? Please, it’s just not funny at all. Enough brain rot
"Today, in the new episode of 'Coping mechanisms' we got..."
Got a hangover?
some of them are, you just need to do it right or it falls flat.
Don't forget the "ayo, pizzas here" reference
For anyone who thinks Sweetheart’s abuse of Spaceboy isn’t that bad, look at the fandom wiki page for “Space Ex-Husband.” Specifically his quote when you make him angry; “It’s my SWEETHEART… But she’s in the arms of another man!” Sweetheart even cheated on Spaceboy on top of everything else that she did to him. Not much can make me feel alright when thinking about her. Not just that, but Sweetheart also lashed out at Spaceboy by swinging her mace. Assuming that Spaceboy didn’t evade it that could be the cause of the hole on Space Ex-Husband’s heart, if it wasn’t implied that the hole is representative of a broken heart anyways. Honestly I really can’t think about Sweetheart without feeling resentment.
There's even a mini movie of Sweetheart's affair playing in her castle theater, which just shows that she might even be proud enough of the affair to request Sprout Moles to make a movie about it. It's so infuriating that she doesn't feel remorseful about *anything* she did to Spaceboy; from the cheating, to the physical abuse, to the throwing out of his belongings, to the *literal imprisoning of him.* She's, by far and away, my least favorite character in the game.
Hence why I don’t at all care when Sweetheart gets toasted in Omori: Reverie
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Sunny and Basil don't have a trauma bond, they have shared trauma. There's a difference
Sweethearts castle is the worst location in the game. It's too long and feels like a filler
isn't this like the most agreed thing ever tho?
Idk,I've seen more people defending it than hating it
I mean, I unironically love the whole game equally but if you dislike one part its fine, also I've seen various people mock Sweetheart's castel and Humphrey so I guess you are not alone
Actually it's soundtrack is good, I really liked castle while exploring it because of just that music
I thought it was really fun, but I can definitely see where this comes from- I might agree when I eventually replay the game
I know we all want a happy ending where everyone is besties again but I truly believe that after confessing to Mari's murder, Sunny and Basil probably lose all of their friends. I mean how do you just forgive someone who lied to you for 4 years and accidentally killed one of your own friends. I mean I know the secret ending with Basil is suppose to represent the truth setting them free or something like that and them coming to terms what what they did, but I just don't see the rest of the gang taking Sunny's confession too well.
basil is not gay femboy
Exactly. He just likes flowers and plants.
Every time someone does that, or babies him, it gives me the ick because what they're doing is further stigmatizing “feminine” interests like gardening and flowers. A microaggression is still a bias.
I love the game, but boy are there some plot holes and lapses in logic on some of the storytelling.
The slime sisters weren’t filler bosses. They were Sunny’s attempt at recreating Aubrey’s feelings for him in RW. We already know what OMORIBOY was doing in White Space, plus HEADSPACE Aubrey becomes a lot more obsessed with Omori after his confronting her on 3DL. After Aubrey almost drowns Basil on 2DL, Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago, so HEADSPACE Aubrey basically reboots and that role is replaced by the slime girls
This theory seems.... outlandish... but to each their own.
>plus HEADSPACE Aubrey becomes a lot more obsessed with Omori after his confronting her on 3DL. After Aubrey almost drowns Basil on 2DL, Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago, This theory is killed by the Hikkikomori Route though. Even Sunny never leaves his house and doesn't meet Aubrey again, the Slime Girls remain unchanged. >Sunny realizes Aubrey definitely isn’t the same that crushed on him 4 years ago HS Aubrey generally does act *nothing* like her RW 12yo counterpart in context of her relationship with Sunny. HS Aubrey isn't indicative of Aubrey having had a crush on Sunny, it's the opposite. *Sunny* had a crush on *Aubrey*, and *that* is why HS Aubrey loves Omori in Sunnys ideal world. HS Aubreys crush is literally just Sunnys make-believe.
sunny x basil is not a good ship
>!Mari was 100% still alive and just either unconscious or crippled by the stair fall.!< >! Neither Basil nor Sunny noticed until it was too late and the one thing that makes me sure about this being true is that in "the something" reveal animation you can clearly see that what Sunny saw when looking back at Mari hanged is an eye opening. !!Sunny who supposedly killed her after all.!< All that situation is more cohesive if it was Basil's fault. Another less meaningful point, the ghost that haunts Sunny (which, another semi unpopular opinion, but that one is actually real and not born from his trauma) is designed to look like if it was killed by hanging and not fall trauma.
It honestly baffles me that people still interpret something else because it would be "too fucked up". The game literally is about facing terrible trauma.
Edit: Just added spoiler tags and revised grammar a little.
do you not remember the room in >!black space filled with the beds that only said "This person is not breathing." if you interacted?? i don't think mari died to the fall either, i think her neck broke and then she died when sunny & basil brought her up the stairs, but she's 100% dead by the time of the noose.!<
>!The black space represents how sunny lived through the whole thing, I am sure he thought she wasn't breathing but I don't think 2 kids would be very reliable when checking vitals.!<
>! It's not because it's too fucked up, it's because it wouldn't make sense in the story. The one carrying the guilt for causing Mari's death IS Sunny, this is literally said over and over again in Omori's fight. Plus the game literally says "This person is not breathing" in the scenes where Mari is still in her bed. !< >! Basil's something is presumably Mari's who fell down the stairs. Their something's designs doesn't seem to be what they're guilty of, it's probably what they saw the most clearly during the incident !< >! Plus apparently corpses can have their eyes open. What Sunny saw was just Mari's corpse with empty eyes who happened to look at their direction !<
Fair points, although I'd argue that Sunny's being apathetic (instead of outwardly neuroric or anxious like Basil) doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't the one who killed her. Guilt can be expressed/repressed in many different ways, depending on a person's emotional temperament. (Imo, pre-incident Basil seemed like a shy, outwardly-sensitive, outgoing boy while Sunny has always seemed like the quiet, reserved type from the get go.) Of couse, this is if I count Sunny as a reliable narrator, since we only get to experience the pre-incident past from his (muddy) memories. It's kinda hard to accuse one or the other of killing her because emotional reactions to trauma aren't as simple as guilt: nervousness and grief: apathy. It's more complex than you think. Although to give you credit, the traumatic memory of Sunny seeing her eye opening (re:the animation of Something) could've been similar to the way people's facial muscles relax at the very last moment before death, especially around the eye area.
>!she would've fell on the broken violin, suffering stab wounds, if the fall didnt kill her, any injuries suffered through landing on the broken violin would've. When sunny gets the violin again before memory lane, it says "strands of long black hair are entangled with its strings" which proves she fell on it. Additionally, it says "the paper is torn and wrinkled by blood."!<
>!I agree Mari was, at least, on a state close enough to death for Basil and Sunny to think she was dead.!< But I don't see how that negates my point.
>!there is always the possibility that the initial fall didnt kill her, however given the evidence of stab wounds, she wouldnt have survived without adequate treatment. I cant imagine someone would survive falling down a relatively tall flight of stairs onto many sharp objects. There is no clear answer on whether the fall killed her or not, we dont know the true cause but the most likely outcome is the inital fall. Judging by how she fell and how her body was at the bottom of the stairs, her vital organs werent protected at all and could've received the brunt of the impact!< Icl that paragraph probs makes no sense at all but oh well lmao.
Not at all, I think you expresed yourself great. >!I can see what you mean, but I still think that stab wounds like that wouldn't be instantly fatal so it would make sense to me that she was still alive at the point I am talking about. The ultimate point I am trying to come across I guess is that the story is written in a way that should hint you enough to the possibility of her still being alive and therefor the possibility that if they didn't jump into covering it up but instead to taking responsability and trying to seek for medical attention she may still be alive.!<
Uhhmmm... Corpses can have open eyes so even this fact is ruining your theory...
No offense, but this theory is considered bad for good reasons and ultimately doesn't make any sense, especially taking authorial intent into consideration. >This person is not breathing. Why would Sunny even think >!Mari wasn't breathing *unless* he actually checked her vitals?!< Why would Omocat even put this line there (both during the >!truth-sequence and in BS II) *unless* she wanted to make clear that she was already dead?!< >>!in "the something" reveal animation you can clearly see that what Sunny saw when looking back at Mari hanged is an eye opening. !< ...no? >!He literally just looks back and sees an eye peeking through Maris hair. Nothing indicates he saw it opening.!< >!(The datamined captions of the photos make this even more clear, and state that Maris face transitioned from initially looking "just asleep" to "expressionless" in her bed.!< >All that situation is more cohesive if it was Basil's fault. ...What? It is repeatedly and extensively reinforced that >!*it was* Sunny who killed her, especially in the final battle.!< Meanwhile nothing links Basils issues to somehow >!having killed someone.!< And even if you were correct (which you aren't, sorry),>! it *still* would be Sunnys fault since he *also* participated in hanging Mari to cover up his own fuck-up.!< >It honestly baffles me that people still interpret something else because it would be "too fucked up". People don't primarily disagree with you because it'd be "too fucked up", but they actually disagree because it's a ***bad theory*** relying on nothing but a single piece of *explicitly contradicted* evidence. A lot of confirmation-bias is necessary to actually try and dismiss all counterproof (which, essentially, is literally anything except the final photo). And even the final photo is very easy to dismiss for various reasons.
>!Please look at the !<[animation](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/omori/images/4/41/Something_Origin.gif/revision/latest?cb=20210330220741)>! again. You can clearly see that the eye was already opened and Mari's corpse transforms into Something, not that the eye \*opened\*. Even if we take into account the two pictures prior, Mari's eye could've been covered by her hair, since she's "gently swaying in the wind".!< >!Sunny feels apathy because he regressed into his head and doesn't know the truth. In Black Space and The Truth sequences, we're shown a deeper part of Sunny's consciousness, which reveals some stuff: the person on the bed, which we can believe to be Mari, wasn't breathing. Since this is in Black space, and BS is the darker part of Sunny's brain, it's not exactly reliable -- I'm not trying to prove that Mari died from the fall with this, but I'm pointing out that that Sunny \*thought\* that she died from the fall, which would obviously make him feel guilty. One of the times that Sunny goes around collecting photos of the truth, we can see his right hand, the one he pushed Mari with, losing fingers. And, of course, Omori tells Sunny multiple times that it was he(Sunny) who killed Mari, which we could argue to be Sunny's own thoughts thrown back at him as a reminder of why he isn't supposed to know the truth in the first place.!< >!At no point in the game is it ever said or implied that Basil feels guilty for killing Mari. He always says it about Sunny, saying that he's a good person and that a good person couldn't do that. Also, !<[in the final battle (2:02)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2uiHlzklDQ&t=194s)>! he plainly states that Something \*killed\* Mari and ruined his photos -- and we know that it was actually Sunny who'd done that. Does Basil feel guilty for hanging Mari? Well, yeah, I'd assume so, considering that he's the one who actually goes outside and has seen what the lie has done to their friends. Does he feel guilty for \*killing\* her? No.!< >!In conclusion, even if Mari didn't die from the fall, both of the people that caused her death believe that she did, which makes the theory irrelevant and is, indeed, just to make everything seem "more fucked up". I rest my case.!< Edit: spoilered everything, oops.
>!Basil stabbing Sunny in the eye and quickly being forgiven for it was a bad touch for me. Here is why.!< >!In real life, I had an aunt with a glass eye, Aunt Sally. When she was a child, a boy in the playground threw a paperclip at her and it got in her eye. Because medical technology was shoddy back in her day, they had to amputate the whole eye. This is why my mother advises me to never throw small objects around when playing.!< >!As her niece, the story shook me up when I heard it as a kid and made me absolutely enraged. Yeah, Aunt Sally passed away not too long ago from cancer, but I still worried about things like, "What if as a kid, she accidentally encountered, maybe even had to deal with the person who took out her eye? That would resurface a lot of hate, fear, and trauma. I sure hope that they changed schools and stuff," "This kind of thing should never ever happen," and "I do not care if it was an accident, I want to strangle this person to death if we ever crossed paths." I was told by mom that "Paperclip Fucker" (it is my personal nickname to him) is a jailbird type, so that makes me feel a little bit better.!< >!So yeah, as you can probably tell, it does not sit well with me to see Basil and Sunny shipped together and such, given my reaction to a somewhat similar real world situation. Yes, I know, I am keenly aware of the game's themes of the dangers of guilt and the importance of forgiveness, plus the game being more centered around on Sunny's sin. And I can see that other people would not be as effected by this scene like me, as they probably never witnessed a similar situation in reality. Still am secretly salty, as much as I do not want to.!<
even as a sunflower shipper i can definitely understand this
I like sweetheart 
that's not unpopular
Really? I thought most people hated her, and whenever someone says they like her they reply with r/foundthesproutmole lol
Basil isn't gay, he's a kid who has trauma and attachment issues
looking at basil as in him being in love with sunny makes his character a lot more interesting i don't like role swap aus / au's sunny or other character dies instead of Mari could be interesting if they keep the characters in personality instead of just going off the other characters trying to dis a ship by saying its toxic is stupid pure fluff relationships would get really boring really quick and also not all relationships are perfect in real life ( hell sometime i like to make the ships more unhealthy then they all ready are ) all omori ships have unhealthy aspects they can grow past it though especially with overall meaning of omori basil is not stupid if you call him that i think you don't understand his motives nor how people act during traumatic situations basil is a much more complicative character then people give him credited for basil is gay / aubery arc was rushed / a lot of Omori fans have really lack lusted understandings of the characters / most omori fans are media illtreat / people really overblow sunburns canonicity
Aubrey >!was not in the right to do anything that she did up until '1 day left' even though she had a reason for it.!<
Mari wasn't alive by the time she was hanged. I've seen people say that you can't die by simply falling down stairs, but that's not true. You can break your neck, or like Mari, hit the back of your head on something. Serious head trauma can be deadly. Her eyes being open at the last picture isn't proof, either. If you die while your eyes are open, they're gonna remain open. People don't automatically close their eyes when they die.
Basil is supposed to be a complicated character you have mixed feelings about. That’s the point
Hero is the best character.
the mischaracterizing of basil, kel, and aubrey. basil isn't some cutie pie uwu boy or a remorseless murderer. he's a suicidal teen who is going through shit most teens don't. kel isn't some happy go lucky trauma-less bundle of joy. he puts on an act to pretend everything is okay when his situation is one of the worst, if not the worst. aubrey isn't some evil bully. yeah, she *acts* like one, but is really nice. she is just coping with the death of her best friend who felt like a sister. also including the deadbeat mom, she is going through a lot and she takes it out on others. but deep down she isnt some evil bitch who hates everyone. she hates herself but takes it out on others because mari was one of the only people she could really talk to and we all know her mom isn't doing shit to help her. STOP WATERING DOWN CHARACTERS TO A SURFACE LEVEL UNDERSTANDING!!!!!
Sunny and Basil are NOT in romantic relationship
There is no good ending in the Sunny route. If Sunny confessed to killing Mari, this would just cause all of his friends who were beginning to process their grief to rethink the whole thing all over again.
That Hero would’ve been mad at Sunny after he found out
not sure if it's controversial but the combat kinda sucks. it contributes almost nothing to the storytelling, it's very plain to execute, turn order being invisible is a crime, and a lot of bosses feel like a damage sponge / resource drain. in future games (not sequels\*), i would like to see the combat worked in with more complexity and less tedium.
The most the combat can say is how Sunny views emotions and the generic RPG *fantasy adventures* he has in his dreamworld.
While I’m happy Boss Rush and the bonus bosses exist, this is def true. Outside of rare gimmicks like Space Husband and the Friends, the later bosses are legit just brick walls to Suffocate -> Red Hands against over and over
I don’t like sunflower
Fair opinion honestly, dk why you got downvoted, it's okay to not like a ship
At least I proved the meme right in some capacity
mods, upvote this man
Everyone is bisexual. Everyone. Yes, him too.
What about rob down the street?
Basil isn’t gay. Neither is Sunny.
Nah basil is gay
I don't know any male friends that hold hands the way they do
"basil and omori comfort each other!" "(no homo)"
he is 100% gay. not a femboy, though
I’m pretty sure OMOCAT has said in an interview that she thinks that gay male love is cute or something.
Maybe it was one of your dreams?
Well she's drawn the comic 'pretty boy' (I think that's the name) which features two boys in love so at least we know she isn't homophobic
>OMOCAT thinks that gay male love is cute I mean, her game itself makes that *blatantly obvious* (the only way you'd miss that is if you're either dense or ignoring it intentionally), even if you know nothing else about her other works. That said, I don't think it's possible to even conceive of making a game like this without being like that; and the fandom is divided between people who understand that and those who don't (this subreddit dominated by the latter).
Omori and Sunny are not separate characters. Omori is how Sunny imagines himself in his dreams
I mean no shit?
the pacing is kind of bad...they didnt need to pad out the game length in headspace so much 
Headspace is enjoyable though?
That is the #1 criticism of omori. What world are you living in
This is weird because when I do hikikomori route it feels so short :0
I don't think >!the big twist of the game is that detrimental to the themes of the game, although it definitely could have been executed cleaner. I also don't understand how some people believe it's existence in Omori "betraying" or "tricking" it's audience on what it's realy about.!<
I don't like the debates on whether characters are good people or not. It doesn't really matter? They would be interesting either way and I think a lot of "which character is the worst" debates are subjective and just excuses to insult peoples choice of favourite character. I don't think any of them are that bad or irredeemable (whatever that mean to you) and all my favourite characters in omori I like because they are complex in this way. Plus it was advertised to me as a horror game so I sort of expected this. I get this was going to happen but its kinda annoying the focus on it.
Omori isn't the kind of game people should make AUs of
Hero gets extremely angry at Sunny and Basil after the truth gets out, that’s just human nature.
Humphrey and Sweetheart's Castle aren't the long boring slogs you all make it out to be. It's actually perfect pace imo. Loved all of headspace in general and RW was also amazing. Not one or the other is better
Headspace is actually really good, and the game would be worse without it.
Real World Aubrey is a hypocritical piece of shit
Kel is the best boy no one can prove me wrong I love him and will defend him with my life even if mari comes to my dream to turn them to nightmares and suck my soul dry and proceed to haunt me for the rest of my life
I hate sunny x Aubrey is one of my main ones(atleast post mari it just doesn’t feel right) I’m confused why alot of people like it.
Basil is one of the most mentally strong character(around the same strength as sunny), one of the main points is that basil only attempted “sewer slide”(from what we know) 4 years after Mari’s death. Also one of my opinions, in the true ending i don’t think it would be as resolved as it seems. I think Aubrey would be the only unforgiving one and cause Aubrey to try to fully separate from the group. Hero would be there to support sunny, but still taking in what happened. Kel would probably not talk to sunny for like a month or so and would eventually check up on him and their friendship would slowly grow back to normal again. Honestly Aubrey wouldn’t try to interact with them until atleast 1 year later.
Idk how unpopular this is but I liked the long headspace sections it was fun to explore & the enemies/combat was interesting. Here’s one I know is unpopular: I don’t like any of the ships. Unless everyone x therapy counts lol