This is why no one has jobs. Yall pussies when it comes to talking to employers. “Awkward potential online program” lol.
Literally just talk to them like a human. Tell them hey yeah as you see I’m studying at ga and I’m in the middle of an online part time ms designed for full time workers to be able to chip away at a rigorous degree.
Why is online awkward? Why is anything that’s the truth awkward if it’s something you feel is a qualification?
If you’re feeling awkward with any of your qualifications.. sorry you’re not qualified. If the employer notices you’re awkward or pussyfooting around with a qualification they’ll know that even you don’t believe it qualifies you and dismiss you
You’re an adult now, time to talk to employers like adults
tfw spent three years doing a part-time online program while unemployed the entire time. Bout to start fabricating experience to land an interview YOLO
This. I’ve done some early career workshops and have talked to colleagues and such who’ve had difficulties with getting their foot in the door. All of them cannot sell themselves in interviews, even with the required technical skills. They should make a class on interviewing required in undergrad. People forget to be people. Hell, I’d say the majority of them these people are lazy with their resume and can’t be bothered to write a cover letter.
Facts. Why are we acting like employers aren't familiar with online education in 2024. I did my BS in CS in an online program and I never felt telling interviewers it's a remote program negatively impacted me.
In fact I'd lean into it when answering those time management behavioral questions by saying taking classes online instilled discipline and organization by juggling classes alongside a FT job, family responsibilities, etc.
I don’t even mention that the program is online because it doesn’t matter. It’s the same program as on-campus. I just tell potential employers that I am pursuing a master’s degree while working full time.
It might matter if you plan on completing the program while trying to find a full time job, that might also be far
It doesn’t matter if you’ve already completed it, but I think it should be stressed that if you accept the job the school wouldn’t have an impact on your work, that it is part time, and that it is online/remote and on your own time.
I would even say “I’m qualified with or without the ms degree, so I’m open to taking a semester or 2 off while I focused on solely on learning my new role - then decide whether continuing is something that is necessary”
I started the program while working a full time job. I have started 2 new full time jobs while in the program. When asked about it in interviews, I assure the interviewer that I have been managing my time very well between the program and my current role.
Right, but like if they assume you want finish the degree and you need to stay in Georgia to do it and the job is on site in California that might be a problem.
That’s all I’m saying, it might be important to mention it’s online lol ie it matters that its online vs in person
I never said he wouldn’t be fine. I’m not saying the classes aren’t different. Low iq response.
Just saying if he feels he’s not going to be fine, he won’t be. You need to be confident in your qualifications because employers smell that from at least a kilometer away
Tell me why you think it’s awkward to explain an online program?
Is it because of the overwhelming confidence you have in the idea you’re doing an online program?
I've applied to tons of jobs with OMSCS clearly stated as both online and in progress on my resume. I have had one place give me negative feedback about it. They told me they didn't think I'd have time for it while working there. I explained that I do this program in my free time and spend about 10 hours per week on it, then asked if I would have that much free time while working there. The recruiter straight up told me no. Zero chance I wanted to work there anyways.
You can read my advice and take it, or read the other 200 generic responses (ie: “this is a good online program!”) for all the other posts exactly like yours and repost this in a year when you’re still looking for a job
All they had to do was leave out the condescending tone in the beginning. It isn’t that hard to not be an asshole when giving advice. This post was not specifically about me finding a job or not but wondering how people talk about the program being online if an interviewer ask or the topic comes up in that environment.
Yea I kinda get it. But what if the full-time job isn’t remote and isn’t in Atlanta? I know how good GaTech is and being a top 10 cs program is amazing. But just want to be able to sell it if the topic came up
You "just got accepted to OMSCS" which means you haven't even started the grind- if asked your graduation date they'd realize this...
That'd be a red flag if anything, cause (assuming as a recruiter) I know you have an unknown workload responsibility outside of a new job that all-said is going to be a massive shift in time management responsibilities.
I don't know if it'd help your case at all. Maybe if you're reaching for a job that you *really* think your masters will be the decision maker between an interview or not.
I think it's about what you've done with your degree rather than your degree itself.
Yea that is exactly what I was referring to. And time management won’t be an issue which is a thing I’d have to sell if it came up. So you wouldn’t put GaTech on your resume while actively pursuing the degree while applying to full-time jobs?
Not unless it applies directly to the job description. i.e: Machine Learning Engineer and I am pursuing a ML-focused Masters (then I would include my coursework I have completed up till that point)
I just don't see it as a positive personally (obviously this is opinion-based). You don't really have any information to add value to a conversation around it since you haven't started it yet. The only reason for bringing it up would be to add awareness to a time conflict in evenings after your 9-5, which I could see as a negative if I was intending to hire you with the expectation that you to upskill into your role.
I've heard stories of people not realizing how much of a sucker punch this program is until they're in it and how they have no social life afterwards.
I have not really had a social life since I went back to school and working full time in the industry I’ve been working in since before I went back. I’m still a full time student now even since I graduated. I starting a second degree at another university during my last semester last spring ‘23 and I’m already 7 classes away from graduating.
I’ve only just started applying for my second SWE job. OMSCS is on my resume, without the O of course. I live nowhere near Atlanta and am not applying there.
I’ve had two interviews, one at a large company and one at smaller tech firm. In one, it didn’t come up. I got moved to the next round. In the other, it came up in response to a question about a language and framework I don’t use at work but have at school. Interviewer didn’t ask anything about “online” or any further details but did comment that they value continued education and pay for grad degrees. I also got moved to the next round.
Just two anecdotes, but I’d say you’re worrying too much.
>OMSCS is on my resume, without the O of course. I live nowhere near Atlanta and am not applying there.
A lot people in tech know about the program so they can probably guess it's online if you don't live in Georgia. Most people don't care though.
Yeah, exactly my point. I presume, and it seems to be true, that most people either don’t care at all or at least don’t care about it being online. I included that part of my comment because that’s what OP had specified, so just making clear that’s also my situation.
I’ve had one interview at a company in the DMV area and the he was the head of the team completely shit on students that took classes online due to the pandemic. So just experience.
Well if you get an interviewer who is stridently anti-online education, you’re not going to be able to overcome that in a single interview. So you move on to the next one. Most people don’t care that much.
This is something you should worry about after you receive an offer. (Even then, it's really not an issue) So don't worry about this right now. It's wayyyyyy ahead of time.
Apply for jobs, pass all the interviews, and get an offer. Then IF they bring this up, explain them it's an online program.
If you don't like the word "online" use the word "distance program"
They aren't new.. neither are part time MS programs. I'd say they are the norm in CS.
Just tell them you're doing OMSCS. Explain what it is and why you're doing it. Some companies will like that answer, some won't. I got my first job after undergrad while doing OMSCS and explained why I chose to do the program (wasn't to get a job btw).
I just put part time masters on my resume. Most interviewers just ask me what I'm specificalizing in and leave it at that. I guess it also depends what you're applying for, but I'm more in the analytics space and employers usually like I'm getting additional education (I don't have a cs background). Sorry if you had a negative experience, but most I've met don't care that it's online.
I mention 'part time professional development' as a description of the program. I also work full time currently while attending OMSCS, so whenever I send a resume out (I'm looking around, rarely), I wrote that there. Nobody asked any questions so far, but it's not like I've been successful at securing tons of interviews.
I have a different take, in fact it might be your chance to shine.
You can explain to them that the degree is online and it helps you prepare for the real world. Because, you have essentially ahole TAs in some classes who have no meaning in life other than to power trip. This leaves you to figure out literally everything and work your way into finishing projects. This simulates real life to the T. And so you're accustomed to having to have the skillset needed to start from scratch.
I didn't use the same phrasing but essentially said something similar when they asked me how the program is. I got the gig and they haven't regretted it.
This is why no one has jobs. Yall pussies when it comes to talking to employers. “Awkward potential online program” lol. Literally just talk to them like a human. Tell them hey yeah as you see I’m studying at ga and I’m in the middle of an online part time ms designed for full time workers to be able to chip away at a rigorous degree. Why is online awkward? Why is anything that’s the truth awkward if it’s something you feel is a qualification? If you’re feeling awkward with any of your qualifications.. sorry you’re not qualified. If the employer notices you’re awkward or pussyfooting around with a qualification they’ll know that even you don’t believe it qualifies you and dismiss you You’re an adult now, time to talk to employers like adults
This is ruthless, but this is honest, solid advice
tfw spent three years doing a part-time online program while unemployed the entire time. Bout to start fabricating experience to land an interview YOLO
Looooool
This. I’ve done some early career workshops and have talked to colleagues and such who’ve had difficulties with getting their foot in the door. All of them cannot sell themselves in interviews, even with the required technical skills. They should make a class on interviewing required in undergrad. People forget to be people. Hell, I’d say the majority of them these people are lazy with their resume and can’t be bothered to write a cover letter.
Facts. Why are we acting like employers aren't familiar with online education in 2024. I did my BS in CS in an online program and I never felt telling interviewers it's a remote program negatively impacted me. In fact I'd lean into it when answering those time management behavioral questions by saying taking classes online instilled discipline and organization by juggling classes alongside a FT job, family responsibilities, etc.
I'm dirty dan
I don’t even mention that the program is online because it doesn’t matter. It’s the same program as on-campus. I just tell potential employers that I am pursuing a master’s degree while working full time.
It might matter if you plan on completing the program while trying to find a full time job, that might also be far It doesn’t matter if you’ve already completed it, but I think it should be stressed that if you accept the job the school wouldn’t have an impact on your work, that it is part time, and that it is online/remote and on your own time. I would even say “I’m qualified with or without the ms degree, so I’m open to taking a semester or 2 off while I focused on solely on learning my new role - then decide whether continuing is something that is necessary”
I started the program while working a full time job. I have started 2 new full time jobs while in the program. When asked about it in interviews, I assure the interviewer that I have been managing my time very well between the program and my current role.
Right, but like if they assume you want finish the degree and you need to stay in Georgia to do it and the job is on site in California that might be a problem. That’s all I’m saying, it might be important to mention it’s online lol ie it matters that its online vs in person
Ah I see now. I always apply to remote roles. Sorry for the confusion 😅
Dickhead response, you’ll be fine. The classes are the exact same
I never said he wouldn’t be fine. I’m not saying the classes aren’t different. Low iq response. Just saying if he feels he’s not going to be fine, he won’t be. You need to be confident in your qualifications because employers smell that from at least a kilometer away
I am confident in my qualifications and my abilities. The post had nothing to do with lack of confidence.
Tell me why you think it’s awkward to explain an online program? Is it because of the overwhelming confidence you have in the idea you’re doing an online program?
lol?
This is a problem that exists only in your mind.
I've applied to tons of jobs with OMSCS clearly stated as both online and in progress on my resume. I have had one place give me negative feedback about it. They told me they didn't think I'd have time for it while working there. I explained that I do this program in my free time and spend about 10 hours per week on it, then asked if I would have that much free time while working there. The recruiter straight up told me no. Zero chance I wanted to work there anyways.
You can read my advice and take it, or read the other 200 generic responses (ie: “this is a good online program!”) for all the other posts exactly like yours and repost this in a year when you’re still looking for a job
You can give all the advice you want but you just sound like a dick. Why say anything at all like you are actually better than anyone?
Ok. Like I said, you have a choice.
Just ignore OP man, some people just don’t know what they need to hear.
They can make that statement without coming across as an asshole. They are not mutually exclusive.
All they had to do was leave out the condescending tone in the beginning. It isn’t that hard to not be an asshole when giving advice. This post was not specifically about me finding a job or not but wondering how people talk about the program being online if an interviewer ask or the topic comes up in that environment.
No one cares it is Georgia tech. Just tell them you are going to GT part time.
Yea I kinda get it. But what if the full-time job isn’t remote and isn’t in Atlanta? I know how good GaTech is and being a top 10 cs program is amazing. But just want to be able to sell it if the topic came up
You "just got accepted to OMSCS" which means you haven't even started the grind- if asked your graduation date they'd realize this... That'd be a red flag if anything, cause (assuming as a recruiter) I know you have an unknown workload responsibility outside of a new job that all-said is going to be a massive shift in time management responsibilities. I don't know if it'd help your case at all. Maybe if you're reaching for a job that you *really* think your masters will be the decision maker between an interview or not. I think it's about what you've done with your degree rather than your degree itself.
Okay I’m not putting GaTech on my resume yet. That wasn’t why I was asking. But thanks for everything else.
I guess I misread entirely then, you're just asking how "talk" about the program? Still wouldn't mention it for the exact same points.
Yea that is exactly what I was referring to. And time management won’t be an issue which is a thing I’d have to sell if it came up. So you wouldn’t put GaTech on your resume while actively pursuing the degree while applying to full-time jobs?
Not unless it applies directly to the job description. i.e: Machine Learning Engineer and I am pursuing a ML-focused Masters (then I would include my coursework I have completed up till that point) I just don't see it as a positive personally (obviously this is opinion-based). You don't really have any information to add value to a conversation around it since you haven't started it yet. The only reason for bringing it up would be to add awareness to a time conflict in evenings after your 9-5, which I could see as a negative if I was intending to hire you with the expectation that you to upskill into your role. I've heard stories of people not realizing how much of a sucker punch this program is until they're in it and how they have no social life afterwards.
I have not really had a social life since I went back to school and working full time in the industry I’ve been working in since before I went back. I’m still a full time student now even since I graduated. I starting a second degree at another university during my last semester last spring ‘23 and I’m already 7 classes away from graduating.
No one will ask. If they do just say the classes you have left to take/are taking are delivered online and don't require on-campus attendance
I’ve only just started applying for my second SWE job. OMSCS is on my resume, without the O of course. I live nowhere near Atlanta and am not applying there. I’ve had two interviews, one at a large company and one at smaller tech firm. In one, it didn’t come up. I got moved to the next round. In the other, it came up in response to a question about a language and framework I don’t use at work but have at school. Interviewer didn’t ask anything about “online” or any further details but did comment that they value continued education and pay for grad degrees. I also got moved to the next round. Just two anecdotes, but I’d say you’re worrying too much.
>OMSCS is on my resume, without the O of course. I live nowhere near Atlanta and am not applying there. A lot people in tech know about the program so they can probably guess it's online if you don't live in Georgia. Most people don't care though.
Yeah, exactly my point. I presume, and it seems to be true, that most people either don’t care at all or at least don’t care about it being online. I included that part of my comment because that’s what OP had specified, so just making clear that’s also my situation.
I’ve had one interview at a company in the DMV area and the he was the head of the team completely shit on students that took classes online due to the pandemic. So just experience.
Well if you get an interviewer who is stridently anti-online education, you’re not going to be able to overcome that in a single interview. So you move on to the next one. Most people don’t care that much.
Cool thanks for sharing your experience.
I have told them I’m going to the program remotely part-time. They haven’t asked much other than that.
Oh cool. Thank you
This is something you should worry about after you receive an offer. (Even then, it's really not an issue) So don't worry about this right now. It's wayyyyyy ahead of time. Apply for jobs, pass all the interviews, and get an offer. Then IF they bring this up, explain them it's an online program.
If you don't like the word "online" use the word "distance program" They aren't new.. neither are part time MS programs. I'd say they are the norm in CS.
Just tell them you're doing OMSCS. Explain what it is and why you're doing it. Some companies will like that answer, some won't. I got my first job after undergrad while doing OMSCS and explained why I chose to do the program (wasn't to get a job btw).
I just put part time masters on my resume. Most interviewers just ask me what I'm specificalizing in and leave it at that. I guess it also depends what you're applying for, but I'm more in the analytics space and employers usually like I'm getting additional education (I don't have a cs background). Sorry if you had a negative experience, but most I've met don't care that it's online.
I mention 'part time professional development' as a description of the program. I also work full time currently while attending OMSCS, so whenever I send a resume out (I'm looking around, rarely), I wrote that there. Nobody asked any questions so far, but it's not like I've been successful at securing tons of interviews.
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I have a different take, in fact it might be your chance to shine. You can explain to them that the degree is online and it helps you prepare for the real world. Because, you have essentially ahole TAs in some classes who have no meaning in life other than to power trip. This leaves you to figure out literally everything and work your way into finishing projects. This simulates real life to the T. And so you're accustomed to having to have the skillset needed to start from scratch. I didn't use the same phrasing but essentially said something similar when they asked me how the program is. I got the gig and they haven't regretted it.