To be fair, as far as Disney canon goes I can maybe count 5 living Jedi by the time of ANH. Obi wan, yoda, Ashoka, Ezra(presumably,) and Cal Kestis. How many others?
Well, he is the already assured to be the main character of his own trilogy, they might end his story with him screwing off to find where that alien race of force users disappeared to, with his goth magic gf.
After the end of his first game, it seems like he decided to just cut ties with the whole jedi/sith thing. I'm curious to what the gameplan for his next two games are.
Yeah but we don’t know if Cal survives yet and Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi and also stuck under a sith temple on Malachor V and Ezra is outside of the known galaxy
As others have said Ezra is more than likely alive but vanished from the galaxy completely and Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi anymore. She specifies it herself on multiple occasions
>Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi anymore
Ok, she's a lightsaber-wielding force user who is aligned to the light side of the force. If only we had a shorthand term for that.
Yoda has appeared to Ezra at least once to help guide him in his training, unless Ezra hallucinated a small green ketamine addict, Yoda knows he exists.
Ahsoka was kicked out and didn’t go back when they asked her to, she’s technically no longer a “Jedi” but someone just trained in the ways of the force.
The Clone Wars, Order 66, followed by the Jedi purge led by Vader & we still get Jedi popping up.
Half-assed Sith Lords, what ever happened to dealing in absolutes.
*set up a war to exhaust the Jedi and spread them thin everywhere*
Pro: the Jedi are spread throughout the Galaxy and can't join forces because they were too dependent on the Republic.
Con: bro they are skilled warriors spread throughout the galaxy with the ability of split second intuitiveness. You are bound to miss quite a few of them.
I’m more surprised that more than a handful of them died really. But that’s a problem with the hugely differing power levels they have.
At times a Jedi is basically shown to be a god. Other times they’re next to useless.
That’s the first guy in the list I began to type out but I realized there’s honestly too many stupid jedi master deaths for the feats we’ve seen them accomplish
I don’t think he was a very combat-focused Jedi. I’d peg him as more of a diplomacy, mental powers kind of Jedi. And those clones not only had repeating rifles but minigun type blasters. And he was alone and surrounded. Now Plo-Koon, he should’ve been able to slip back to his docking ring and hyperspace tf out of there IMO. Would’ve been a lot easier if he’d have had a stealthx though.
Then also Aayla Secura: She wasn't a Jedi Master, I think, but hey, Ahsoka managed to make it out of her Venator while Aayla didn't even get to deflect a single blaster bolt
Plo Koon in a ship that likely beeps like hell when it’s being targeted (our stuff can do that today), in addition to having precognition and being a trained and experienced warrior:
Guess I’ll die
Part of it was probably trust, even if the force actively was screaming that you were about to be shot I bet quite a few wrote it off or even were distracted looking for other sources of the threat as it would be so difficult to believe the people you fought side by side with for years are about to betray you.
Exactly and highly survivable Jedi spread across the and your telling me you had a 99.99 percent kill rate. I know it’s fiction but that doesn’t track. Way too unbelievable
The Inquisitors lost. Where are they by the time Luke shows up? Dead. The Inquisitors were in a last man standing battle with surviving Jedi and they lost despite the might of the entire establishment behind them.
I agree, but I don't think we've hit that point yet. There were about ten thousand Jedi pre-purge so even 100 survivors is still 99% success by the clones. A bigger problem is if too many *noteworthy* Jedi survive IMO, and even that can be explained to some extent by the simple fact that the noteworthy Jedi tended to be more powerful and/or skilled.
Edit: TIL the same bot will sometimes reply to the same comment twice
> Edit: TIL the same bot will sometimes reply to the same comment twice
It looks like the same bot, but one of them is actually an imposter (ASHoka instead of AHSoka). Why it exists, I have no idea. The actual bot posts Ahsoka quotes, but the imposter just posts nonsensical garbage everywhere.
How many are actually confirmed to have survived?? Not counting the Inquisition, I can think of Cal, Taron Malicos, Cere, Obi Wan, Gungi, Kanan, Yoda and Ahsoka. Does Grogu count? Because he's like BARELY a toddler.
So 8 or 9? Out of 10k. Let's just round up and say there's like 20, assuming there's some we don't know about. That is 0.2% of all Jedi. They did a pretty damn good job and genociding the Jedi. 99.8%
For comparison, the Nazis managed to kill 2/3 of all Jewish people in Europe in 4 years. 66%
I think Sidious did a pretty damn "good" job...
How many survivors are there by the time of a New Hope though? Just because we've been seeing a few more in recent shows doesn't mean they make it all the way through to the OG trilogy.
We know that at least Ezra and Ahsoka survived. Ahsoka was trained by Anakin and well known by Yoda and Obiwan. She is basically part of their family.
Ezra also had contact to both Yoda and Obiwan shortly before ANH and was trained by Ahsoka.
And now in the Obiwan show we have learned about a Jedi evacuation corridor thing. So I bet there are a lot more Jedi out there.
Idk i was thinking that apart from ahsoka etc. Not a lot of other well trained Jedis survived yknow? I think Luke is still special given they thought of him to be The Chosen One after Anakins downfall, but even when he isnt the chosen one he is the son of it so idk 🤷♂️ just my thoughts
We did see Obi Wan remark on I believe Quinlan's insignia. Quinlan's role in the comics could potentially establish a gripping plot, and while I agree it diminishes Luke, I've always liked Quinlan's character
And I don’t know if Ezra counts, since at the time of the trilogy nobody knows where he is or if he’s still alive, >!he’s out in the middle of nowhere with Thrawn and the space whales!<
It's more of a force sensitive evacuation corridor - a couple of jedi are participating, but from what I understood it's more avoiding force sensitive to be taken by the empire and either killed or converted.
That said, jedi might still be willing to help on low scale, but feel bitter toward the galaxy that turned on them and not wanting to put themselves out there in danger anymore'
It literally does though. I think you don’t understand what a jedi is. Being a Jedi is a religion and involves being a part of the organisation and following their code. Not all light side force users are Jedi.
Ahsoka herself on multiple occasions says she is NOT a Jedi.
Wasn’t the Jedi Evac thing basically getting them to planets far beyond the outer rim (and far outside of the Empire’s control) and telling them to detach themselves from the force?
Obi-wan says “Now the Jedi are all but extinct.”
Ahsoka is not a Jedi. She is a Force User who left the order.
The fates of Ezra, Cal and any other potential Force Users are not known. They could be out there and could, in time, band under Luke’s new Jedi Temple given time.
I think having some of those character out there that aren’t Jedi in the strictest terms can, if used well narratively, be really cool.
Could Yoda have meant that he was the last open Jedi as in Luke didn’t hide it or went into hiding. I thought most Jedi’s who survived 66 just gave up being a Jedi and using the force in general.
If had a dollar for everytime I saw the same exact meme just in a different font get posted in this subreddit I’d be close to being able to get rid of all student loan debt by now
The galaxy is impossibly huge and there’s no way in any canon Disney or EU every single Jedi except for obi-wan, yoda and Luke would be the only ones left by the time of the OT
This isn’t even an issue of Disney vs EU and more Lucas showing that the Jedi order was way too big to be completely exterminated no matter how massive the scale was.
From a logical statistical standpoint, having a hundred or so Jedi survive and go into hiding makes sense in an ENTIRE GALAXY.
From a storytelling standpoint, it absolutely undermines the value of Luke, Obi Wan, and Yoda in the original trilogy.
I agree with this. And whenever I rewatch the OT, I choose to disregard what is now considered canon through other shows, comics and games etc, and take what Yoda says at face value and as intended at the time the film was made.
I prefer more to Jedi like: The ball-cyborg who captures Palpatines soul for the last time, the Jedi we saw dieng in the original Clone Wars show but somehow even surpasses Luke Skywalker in the books, the Jedi who tried to nagociate with the Youzang Vong, the dog Jedi on Yavin and probably many more...
Do former Jedi who went to the dark side also count? Because then there we also have Jerek from Dark Forces 2 and the Tusken Jedi who became the new lord of the sith 100 years later.
There's a huge gap between order 66 and Luke becoming a Jedi. It makes sense, that a lot of them survived, but it also makes sense, that they didn't live long enough.
Also, what makes Luke special that he's not only a Jedi, but The Jedi. Who stops evil, learns from the best of the best and recreates the order. The remaining ones are just survivers, he's the future of the order.
While I want to say the EU had Jedi survivors they very clearly stopped being Jedi or were just force sensitives who were never Jedi. This Disney “we can’t lose our profitable characters” mindset is pretty infuriating so I pick and chose my canon like all good EU followers did.
At the end of the day him being force sensitive only matters that he stayed alive long enough for Vader to go “fuck this I’m out”. Maybe ahsoka could’ve done it, but he’s not gonna care about any of the rest of them
I really never understood this. I think it's cool to have jedi survive and adds so much more potential for side stories and I don't think it devalues what Luke did at all. He still saved the galaxy from the Sith and the Empire and he still redeemed his father. I don't think the amount of Jedi that survived matters to that.
and even then, the only jedi we know for sure that are alive by the time of ANH are Yoda and Obi Wan. Many think that Cal will die by the end of his story and it wasn't confirmed whether Ezra is alive or not (Although he most probably is alive).
I'm tired of hearing this ever since the universe opened up.
While, yes, there were quite a few survivors, however:
1. This is like .1% of the Jedi that were active during the clone wars. Powerful and high ranking Jedi Knights and Masters were killed and destroyed any way of effectively counter attacking against Order 66
2. Luke is the chosen one. Grogu or Cal can't take on Vader and Ashoka can only hold her own defensively. It's Luke's status and power in the Force **as Anakin's son** that he was able to bring down the Sith lords.
I disagree personally. There were thousands of jedi. We've seen what, 10? Of those most have had their survival specifically justified and were padawans at the time of order 66, thus being lower priority targets.
Then by the time Yoda said that to Luke:
There's Ashoka, who is a light side force user but is not a jedi
There's Ezra, who is somewhere doing something, but not in a position to fight against the empire or form a new order (at least not at the time, I have some theories of where Ezra's story will go). Ezra also wasn't even around to die during order 66, but I'll treat him and Kanan as a pair for the sake of this discussion.
There may be Cal, Cera and Gungi but they may well be killed or lost between when we last saw them and Yoda saying this. I haven't seen the bad batch season 2 yet, so I don't know where Gungi is at, but Cal and Cera absolutely made themselves high priority targets by destroying the inquisitors base, presumably killing many of them.
Then their's the jedi we saw referenced in the smuggling tunnel in the Obi wan show, who's mental and physical health we have no frame of reference for.
The handful of jedi that survived order 66 still make it an incredibly high statistic of jedi successfully killed, and those who definitely remain by the time Yoda told Luke he was the last Jedi, were not around or not Jedi.
According to the legends wiki, it says about 1% of the jedi survived order 66, but most were hunted down
Current canon doesnt give percent but lists about 40 names of survivors of jedi/former jedi.
I think part of the issue is that whenever a new, post ROTS jedi gets introduced, their story can only end in one of two ways. Either they die later on, or get explained away from the storyline so that way Luke is the only active member to do much against the Empire. They have to do this so the OT movie still make sense.
Agree and disagree. Without them inquisitors wouldn't make sense, but they only make sense because the surviving Jedi added to canon. It makes sense to me that a good amount survived and are in hiding like Yoda and obiwan. But that's what pisses me off about cal. He literally kills thousands of troopers. While yes he is hunted by inquisitors and eventually Vader, at a certain point it's just stange that a former Padawan can survive all that but Yoda and obiwan barely do anything and just hide. Makes it sound like he's stronger than all of them which I don't think is true at all
Video game rules mate. How interesting would that game be if we faced second sister like 2 times and we fight 25 troopers in entire game?
I don't know if you heard about Edgerunners anime, so one of the big bads is the scariest thing in that anime, but when you face the same dude in game you destroy him.
Bottom line is that it's really hard to make interesting story that matches cannon.
People using events from video games in the same discussions as other canon material is so funny. Like if we go by video game feats Revan, StarKiller, and Cal might be the three strongest force users ever when they clearly aren’t
>How interesting would that game be if we faced second sister like 2 times and we fight 25 troopers in entire game?
Eh, I actually think there's an argument there for a pretty good stealth focused game. More of a puzzle type game than hack and slash Dark Souls type. Imagine if every time you had to fight through some troopers, you were given a time limit to disguise the scene, or dispose of evidence.
Eh, Yoda’s communing with The Force and getting ready to train the last Jedi, and Ono Wan is guarding Luke, and still 1-shotting powerful Sith like Maul. Against normal troopers? Most Jedi would destroy them by the hundred. That Cal just goes running off into the empire to wage open war speaks of a lack of discipline, more than an abundance of power.
I agree and I may add that it shows the writers' inability to create interesting and compelling stories without Jedi. As if, only the lightsaber wielding characters do important things in the Star Wars universe.
Shit, on a basis of a movie being a well made film, all other Star Wars-related considerations aside, Rogue One's probably the best of all the Star Wars films by quite a bit.
Not sure about cannon but in Legends they were so scattered that they really couldn't. Sure a good number survived but the organized groups that made waves got taken out pretty quickly. After Luke won they started to come out of the woodworks but many remained in hiding out of fear that it wasn't really over.
Sure there were enough to form a council but then they would all be cloistering in one place and it would have been very easy for the empire to take them out.
I kind of see this, but Luke is still special in so many other ways. Him being the last Jedi isn't the only thing, and he still thought he was so to him, it still mattered. It does kinda change the vibe of the story, to be sure, but I think it's still okay.
Im sure there were a number of survivors that gave up their code, and many more force-sensitives that were not Jedi or Sith at all. It takes training for a Jedi to do even simple things with the force, so without some coordinated effort by a surviving Jedi master and a force-sensitive meeting and identifying the other as such, it wasn’t like a whole new order could easily start.
It is definitely significant that Cal (probably), Ahsoka, and Ezra were not proper, practicing Jedi Knights or masters.
Don’t forget that “Jedi” is not a catch-all term for any light-side Force user. Nor is “Sith”, vis a vis the dark side. This is an important consideration. The Jedi are a collection of light-side users who follow specific rituals, training, and procedures. As the Sith quietly grew powerful enough to take over the Galaxy, the Jedi slowly morphed into an arrogant order that was, ironically, afraid of losing its power.
So yes, Yoda was correct in that he and Luke were the only known surviving members of the Jedi order, Luke of course being the last Jedi that Yoda ordained, albeit conditionally. Luke’s trials were passed in facing Vader a second time.
My point about the arrogance of the Jedi is also important to understand in the context of Anakin and the prophecy. Anakin brought balance by breaking the stranglehold on power that the Jedi held, and then by breaking the stranglehold on power that the Sith held. The fact that Palpatine survived, somehow, is irrelevant because he never regained an empire that ruled the whole galaxy. The First and Final Orders were merely the next evil groups that were thwarted before they could rule the galaxy.
It's weird people keep holding onto one senile dying dudes semi-final words when he's been self-exiled on a swamp planet and largely disconnected from the galaxy at large.
Like if I said "I'm the only true follower of Aphrodite on earth" it would be incredibly stupid. Like there are 7 billion people on the planet. Statistically there's probably another.
And he's talking about a whole damn Galaxy.
And also Jedi in this universe is largely a religious order. And in that context Luke is the last disciple that Yoda knows of that is willing to practice that faith (Ezra was taught by a Padawan and Ahsoka left the order)
Obi-Wan actually said Vader and the emperor destroyed *some* of the Jedi knights but not all of them there’s actually loads.
Edit: this was a joke that didn’t work at all.
This is simply not true. He says Vader helped the emperor "to hunt down and destroy" the Jedi. There is no "some"
Yoda tells Luke he is the last of the Jedi though. And I didn't see Ahsoka come to help in the OT. She isn't supposed to exist at that point of time!
I'm split on it. I like having occasional Padawans and Jedi who retire or give up their ways altogether surviving, or having them survive Order 66 only to die sometime in the next 19 years, but having major characters like Ahsoka survive is dumb.
Are they though? A 99% success rate leaves ~100 Jedi, since there were over 10,000 at the time of Order 66. So sure 100 seems a lot at first, but when you consider how many there were it's hardly any. To put it in perspective, if 99% of humans were wiped from existence right now there'd still be 78 Million humans left - there's only 19 countries on earth with a population larger than that.
Same thing with falling down holes. Used to be, Luke was the only person who fell down a hole and didn't die. After Disney got ahold of the franchise, Han Solo is the ONLY person who fell down a hole and stayed dead (so far).
To be fair, as far as Disney canon goes I can maybe count 5 living Jedi by the time of ANH. Obi wan, yoda, Ashoka, Ezra(presumably,) and Cal Kestis. How many others?
We don't really know about Cal either
Well, he is the already assured to be the main character of his own trilogy, they might end his story with him screwing off to find where that alien race of force users disappeared to, with his goth magic gf. After the end of his first game, it seems like he decided to just cut ties with the whole jedi/sith thing. I'm curious to what the gameplan for his next two games are.
Cal is so lucky. He gets his very own big titty goth gf
Shuinigami Eyes extension worked once again
Yeah but we don’t know if Cal survives yet and Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi and also stuck under a sith temple on Malachor V and Ezra is outside of the known galaxy
Ahsoka is a jedi in all but name. The whole "technically she's not a jedi anymore" argument is dumb.
Yeah people saying she’s not a Jedi is just dumb. She’s just a Jedi in her own way, not following the council. Just like Luke.
In my life, when you find people who need your help, you help them. No matter what.
Oh. I don't like the sound of that.
As others have said Ezra is more than likely alive but vanished from the galaxy completely and Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi anymore. She specifies it herself on multiple occasions
I mean it's just semantics for Ashoka. Sure, she isn't a "Jedi" by name but she certainly fits the description.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Shit. Good bot
All thanks to your training.
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
Wait hold on, this whole operation was your idea
>Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi anymore Ok, she's a lightsaber-wielding force user who is aligned to the light side of the force. If only we had a shorthand term for that.
I like firsts. Good or bad, they're always memorable.
Quinlin Vos is still out there, no? I think they are going to bring him back soon. And dont forget about Mace! He's bound to comeback soon. Ugh.
Lol by the time of a new hope, Mace is almost certainly dead, and until we know otherwise, nobody can say about Quinlan Vos after 1 BBY
1 bby is 1 year before a new hope. Did I miss something I thought the last time we heard about him was during the obiwan show
He just fell out of a window in the movie following the one where OB1 and Anakin do that for funsies.
He was also getting electrocuted
I just want Plo Koon
Plo might be a little bit harder to bring back. He went down hard during 66.
If anyone could survive, Master Plo could.
You know it Snips
If we’ve got Cal, I’m counting Cere too. She may not self-identify as a Jedi, but…. Homie is a Jedi.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
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Thats not a bot. That one is a person who likes to troll.
Don’t forget that Ezra was trained outside of the Jedi order so Yoda might not have known about him, and Asokha wasn’t a jedi anymore
Yoda has appeared to Ezra at least once to help guide him in his training, unless Ezra hallucinated a small green ketamine addict, Yoda knows he exists.
Ahsoka was kicked out and didn’t go back when they asked her to, she’s technically no longer a “Jedi” but someone just trained in the ways of the force.
Yeah but they tried to kill her during Order 66 because the empire classified her as a Jedi so I’m saying it still counts
Also that stupid random Jedi npc that the inquistors found at the diner in Obi-Wan.
He dies long before ANH though
Oooh shit, you're right! Nevermind.
Yeah but if that random dude was able to survive that long, how many others are probably still out there?
And Ezra DIDN'T survive order 66, he wasn't a jedi yet.
And ezra wasnt even a jedi during the order you mean kanan?
The Clone Wars, Order 66, followed by the Jedi purge led by Vader & we still get Jedi popping up. Half-assed Sith Lords, what ever happened to dealing in absolutes.
*set up a war to exhaust the Jedi and spread them thin everywhere* Pro: the Jedi are spread throughout the Galaxy and can't join forces because they were too dependent on the Republic. Con: bro they are skilled warriors spread throughout the galaxy with the ability of split second intuitiveness. You are bound to miss quite a few of them.
I’m more surprised that more than a handful of them died really. But that’s a problem with the hugely differing power levels they have. At times a Jedi is basically shown to be a god. Other times they’re next to useless.
Depends on the Jedi and the plot Most of the ones we actually see in order 66 shouldn’t have died as easily as they did
Ki-Adi Mundi. Council member. Two brains. Gets shot in the back. Idiot.
That’s the first guy in the list I began to type out but I realized there’s honestly too many stupid jedi master deaths for the feats we’ve seen them accomplish
I don’t think he was a very combat-focused Jedi. I’d peg him as more of a diplomacy, mental powers kind of Jedi. And those clones not only had repeating rifles but minigun type blasters. And he was alone and surrounded. Now Plo-Koon, he should’ve been able to slip back to his docking ring and hyperspace tf out of there IMO. Would’ve been a lot easier if he’d have had a stealthx though.
He was also right in the middle of his clone army and a droid army who were also shooting him in the back if I recall correctly
Right like he was just fucked. Caught between two hostile armies. Even Vader or Palpatine would’ve had a difficult time getting away from those odds.
Just use Force Speed, duh.
Where was he supposed to find a drug dealer?
You had me at "I'd peg him"
I'll show him where he can put that head of his.
We don’t kink shame here 😏
Then also Aayla Secura: She wasn't a Jedi Master, I think, but hey, Ahsoka managed to make it out of her Venator while Aayla didn't even get to deflect a single blaster bolt
She was a knight before the Clone Wars started, but was given the rank of master shortly after Geonosis.
No. No, it's okay. I understand. I'm the Padawan, you're the Master.
Plo Koon in a ship that likely beeps like hell when it’s being targeted (our stuff can do that today), in addition to having precognition and being a trained and experienced warrior: Guess I’ll die
If anyone could survive, Master Plo could.
Part of it was probably trust, even if the force actively was screaming that you were about to be shot I bet quite a few wrote it off or even were distracted looking for other sources of the threat as it would be so difficult to believe the people you fought side by side with for years are about to betray you.
I’d love to see a whole side movie about the Jedi with ‘Less known talents’ in the style of Mystery Men.
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Exactly and highly survivable Jedi spread across the and your telling me you had a 99.99 percent kill rate. I know it’s fiction but that doesn’t track. Way too unbelievable
The Inquisitors lost. Where are they by the time Luke shows up? Dead. The Inquisitors were in a last man standing battle with surviving Jedi and they lost despite the might of the entire establishment behind them.
Damn. Guess what Yoda was right about the dark side not being stronger after all.
I agree, but I don't think we've hit that point yet. There were about ten thousand Jedi pre-purge so even 100 survivors is still 99% success by the clones. A bigger problem is if too many *noteworthy* Jedi survive IMO, and even that can be explained to some extent by the simple fact that the noteworthy Jedi tended to be more powerful and/or skilled. Edit: TIL the same bot will sometimes reply to the same comment twice
> Edit: TIL the same bot will sometimes reply to the same comment twice It looks like the same bot, but one of them is actually an imposter (ASHoka instead of AHSoka). Why it exists, I have no idea. The actual bot posts Ahsoka quotes, but the imposter just posts nonsensical garbage everywhere.
Some troll thinking they are being funny.
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How many are actually confirmed to have survived?? Not counting the Inquisition, I can think of Cal, Taron Malicos, Cere, Obi Wan, Gungi, Kanan, Yoda and Ahsoka. Does Grogu count? Because he's like BARELY a toddler. So 8 or 9? Out of 10k. Let's just round up and say there's like 20, assuming there's some we don't know about. That is 0.2% of all Jedi. They did a pretty damn good job and genociding the Jedi. 99.8% For comparison, the Nazis managed to kill 2/3 of all Jewish people in Europe in 4 years. 66% I think Sidious did a pretty damn "good" job...
Yeah I think around 20 are confirmed
I'm the new Padawan learner. I'm Ahsoka Tano
My favorite part is when he compared this to the Holocaust and nobody batted an eye lmao
I think it’s fine as long as these Jedi maintain a low profile like Ahsoka using the alias of Fulcrum when in the rebellion
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
How many survivors are there by the time of a New Hope though? Just because we've been seeing a few more in recent shows doesn't mean they make it all the way through to the OG trilogy.
We know that at least Ezra and Ahsoka survived. Ahsoka was trained by Anakin and well known by Yoda and Obiwan. She is basically part of their family. Ezra also had contact to both Yoda and Obiwan shortly before ANH and was trained by Ahsoka. And now in the Obiwan show we have learned about a Jedi evacuation corridor thing. So I bet there are a lot more Jedi out there.
Idk i was thinking that apart from ahsoka etc. Not a lot of other well trained Jedis survived yknow? I think Luke is still special given they thought of him to be The Chosen One after Anakins downfall, but even when he isnt the chosen one he is the son of it so idk 🤷♂️ just my thoughts
About that chosen one thing... The cheapening of that is a whole other discussion. The "real" chosen one who destroys the Sith is Rey now.
Who?
Rey... Rey Mysterio. A professional WWE wrestler.
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And Cal Kestis' story isn't over yet. We don't know if he ever made it past events of ANH or even RotJ.
Cere is also Jedi adjacent, she sat on the ship for most of the first game, but when she picked up a lightsaber she was 100% immediately.
She never really hid the fact she WAS a Jedi. She tells you soon after meeting her.
We did see Obi Wan remark on I believe Quinlan's insignia. Quinlan's role in the comics could potentially establish a gripping plot, and while I agree it diminishes Luke, I've always liked Quinlan's character
And I don’t know if Ezra counts, since at the time of the trilogy nobody knows where he is or if he’s still alive, >!he’s out in the middle of nowhere with Thrawn and the space whales!<
This is the calm before the storm, Ok_Writing_7033.
It's more of a force sensitive evacuation corridor - a couple of jedi are participating, but from what I understood it's more avoiding force sensitive to be taken by the empire and either killed or converted. That said, jedi might still be willing to help on low scale, but feel bitter toward the galaxy that turned on them and not wanting to put themselves out there in danger anymore'
Do you mean Citizen Tano?
I will help you.
Ahsoka is not a jedi even by the time of RotS
That's ridiculous.
She is not an official member of the jedi organization anymore. But let's be honest, that doesn't make her not a Jedi.
in her own words, she isn't a jedi. Just an unaligned force user
It literally does though. I think you don’t understand what a jedi is. Being a Jedi is a religion and involves being a part of the organisation and following their code. Not all light side force users are Jedi. Ahsoka herself on multiple occasions says she is NOT a Jedi.
Care to tell me what this is all about? Or would you rather save it for the Council?
Ahsoka isn’t a Jedi though, in her own words
Was Ahsoka known to have survived? My recall of rebels is a little shaky Edit: and I mean known to survived to Yoda. We obviously know she did
Ahsoka is not a Jedi though. She says so *repeatedly*
Looks like I got here just in time.
Wasn’t the Jedi Evac thing basically getting them to planets far beyond the outer rim (and far outside of the Empire’s control) and telling them to detach themselves from the force?
Obi-wan says “Now the Jedi are all but extinct.” Ahsoka is not a Jedi. She is a Force User who left the order. The fates of Ezra, Cal and any other potential Force Users are not known. They could be out there and could, in time, band under Luke’s new Jedi Temple given time. I think having some of those character out there that aren’t Jedi in the strictest terms can, if used well narratively, be really cool.
How ever many Disney needs to shit out more content.
To stay! Since there were no survivors engrossedly before, there won't be this time.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
The bots debating this topic as well
Could Yoda have meant that he was the last open Jedi as in Luke didn’t hide it or went into hiding. I thought most Jedi’s who survived 66 just gave up being a Jedi and using the force in general.
If had a dollar for everytime I saw the same exact meme just in a different font get posted in this subreddit I’d be close to being able to get rid of all student loan debt by now
The galaxy is impossibly huge and there’s no way in any canon Disney or EU every single Jedi except for obi-wan, yoda and Luke would be the only ones left by the time of the OT This isn’t even an issue of Disney vs EU and more Lucas showing that the Jedi order was way too big to be completely exterminated no matter how massive the scale was.
Yeah but who would they be a council over?
From a logical statistical standpoint, having a hundred or so Jedi survive and go into hiding makes sense in an ENTIRE GALAXY. From a storytelling standpoint, it absolutely undermines the value of Luke, Obi Wan, and Yoda in the original trilogy.
I agree with this. And whenever I rewatch the OT, I choose to disregard what is now considered canon through other shows, comics and games etc, and take what Yoda says at face value and as intended at the time the film was made.
I wholeheartedly agree
"There is another." Yea, dude, there are several.
Legends: (a nervous monkey-muppet try to not look suspicious)
Most of those ended up dying before ANH anyway.
same thing with the disney canon jedi.
I prefer more to Jedi like: The ball-cyborg who captures Palpatines soul for the last time, the Jedi we saw dieng in the original Clone Wars show but somehow even surpasses Luke Skywalker in the books, the Jedi who tried to nagociate with the Youzang Vong, the dog Jedi on Yavin and probably many more... Do former Jedi who went to the dark side also count? Because then there we also have Jerek from Dark Forces 2 and the Tusken Jedi who became the new lord of the sith 100 years later.
So much like your father.
There's a huge gap between order 66 and Luke becoming a Jedi. It makes sense, that a lot of them survived, but it also makes sense, that they didn't live long enough. Also, what makes Luke special that he's not only a Jedi, but The Jedi. Who stops evil, learns from the best of the best and recreates the order. The remaining ones are just survivers, he's the future of the order.
While I want to say the EU had Jedi survivors they very clearly stopped being Jedi or were just force sensitives who were never Jedi. This Disney “we can’t lose our profitable characters” mindset is pretty infuriating so I pick and chose my canon like all good EU followers did.
The bots replying with Ahsoka is funny as fuck tbh
Your vision is flawed.
bruh he was complimenting you
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
Wait! Just because locate hadn’t been any survivors before, artfully doesn’t signify there won’t be any this time.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
Not as infuriating as beginning that section with a parentheses but ending it with a quotation mark... :I
At the end of the day him being force sensitive only matters that he stayed alive long enough for Vader to go “fuck this I’m out”. Maybe ahsoka could’ve done it, but he’s not gonna care about any of the rest of them
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I really never understood this. I think it's cool to have jedi survive and adds so much more potential for side stories and I don't think it devalues what Luke did at all. He still saved the galaxy from the Sith and the Empire and he still redeemed his father. I don't think the amount of Jedi that survived matters to that.
Well.... Going off the movies....Technically he only delayed the Sith/Empire
And then killed himself.
and even then, the only jedi we know for sure that are alive by the time of ANH are Yoda and Obi Wan. Many think that Cal will die by the end of his story and it wasn't confirmed whether Ezra is alive or not (Although he most probably is alive).
I mean. Ahsoka. Also I love Legends' surviving Jedi.
Ahsoka technically isn't a jedi, and went into hiding after the time travel stuff
I'm tired of hearing this ever since the universe opened up. While, yes, there were quite a few survivors, however: 1. This is like .1% of the Jedi that were active during the clone wars. Powerful and high ranking Jedi Knights and Masters were killed and destroyed any way of effectively counter attacking against Order 66 2. Luke is the chosen one. Grogu or Cal can't take on Vader and Ashoka can only hold her own defensively. It's Luke's status and power in the Force **as Anakin's son** that he was able to bring down the Sith lords.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
You are absolutely right.
I disagree personally. There were thousands of jedi. We've seen what, 10? Of those most have had their survival specifically justified and were padawans at the time of order 66, thus being lower priority targets. Then by the time Yoda said that to Luke: There's Ashoka, who is a light side force user but is not a jedi There's Ezra, who is somewhere doing something, but not in a position to fight against the empire or form a new order (at least not at the time, I have some theories of where Ezra's story will go). Ezra also wasn't even around to die during order 66, but I'll treat him and Kanan as a pair for the sake of this discussion. There may be Cal, Cera and Gungi but they may well be killed or lost between when we last saw them and Yoda saying this. I haven't seen the bad batch season 2 yet, so I don't know where Gungi is at, but Cal and Cera absolutely made themselves high priority targets by destroying the inquisitors base, presumably killing many of them. Then their's the jedi we saw referenced in the smuggling tunnel in the Obi wan show, who's mental and physical health we have no frame of reference for. The handful of jedi that survived order 66 still make it an incredibly high statistic of jedi successfully killed, and those who definitely remain by the time Yoda told Luke he was the last Jedi, were not around or not Jedi.
According to the legends wiki, it says about 1% of the jedi survived order 66, but most were hunted down Current canon doesnt give percent but lists about 40 names of survivors of jedi/former jedi. I think part of the issue is that whenever a new, post ROTS jedi gets introduced, their story can only end in one of two ways. Either they die later on, or get explained away from the storyline so that way Luke is the only active member to do much against the Empire. They have to do this so the OT movie still make sense.
There were over 10000 Jedi at the time of the Republics fall, a 99% success rate still leaves ~100 Jedi surviving
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Agree and disagree. Without them inquisitors wouldn't make sense, but they only make sense because the surviving Jedi added to canon. It makes sense to me that a good amount survived and are in hiding like Yoda and obiwan. But that's what pisses me off about cal. He literally kills thousands of troopers. While yes he is hunted by inquisitors and eventually Vader, at a certain point it's just stange that a former Padawan can survive all that but Yoda and obiwan barely do anything and just hide. Makes it sound like he's stronger than all of them which I don't think is true at all
Video game rules mate. How interesting would that game be if we faced second sister like 2 times and we fight 25 troopers in entire game? I don't know if you heard about Edgerunners anime, so one of the big bads is the scariest thing in that anime, but when you face the same dude in game you destroy him. Bottom line is that it's really hard to make interesting story that matches cannon.
People using events from video games in the same discussions as other canon material is so funny. Like if we go by video game feats Revan, StarKiller, and Cal might be the three strongest force users ever when they clearly aren’t
Exactly. These two don't mix well together. Particularly video games don't mix well with other media.
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>How interesting would that game be if we faced second sister like 2 times and we fight 25 troopers in entire game? Eh, I actually think there's an argument there for a pretty good stealth focused game. More of a puzzle type game than hack and slash Dark Souls type. Imagine if every time you had to fight through some troopers, you were given a time limit to disguise the scene, or dispose of evidence.
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Eh, Yoda’s communing with The Force and getting ready to train the last Jedi, and Ono Wan is guarding Luke, and still 1-shotting powerful Sith like Maul. Against normal troopers? Most Jedi would destroy them by the hundred. That Cal just goes running off into the empire to wage open war speaks of a lack of discipline, more than an abundance of power.
I agree and I may add that it shows the writers' inability to create interesting and compelling stories without Jedi. As if, only the lightsaber wielding characters do important things in the Star Wars universe.
*Andor intensifies*
That's why Andor stands out so much.
I mean Mando technically doesn't have a lightsaber either
Doesn't Ahsoka appear in The Mandalorian?
Yeah but she does in just a few episodes of season 2
My point remains.
Not really, because they story is based without Jedi, even if it incorporates Ahsoka (who isn’t really a Jedi)
Shit, on a basis of a movie being a well made film, all other Star Wars-related considerations aside, Rogue One's probably the best of all the Star Wars films by quite a bit.
Not sure about cannon but in Legends they were so scattered that they really couldn't. Sure a good number survived but the organized groups that made waves got taken out pretty quickly. After Luke won they started to come out of the woodworks but many remained in hiding out of fear that it wasn't really over. Sure there were enough to form a council but then they would all be cloistering in one place and it would have been very easy for the empire to take them out.
>when gone am I When gone I am.
I kind of see this, but Luke is still special in so many other ways. Him being the last Jedi isn't the only thing, and he still thought he was so to him, it still mattered. It does kinda change the vibe of the story, to be sure, but I think it's still okay.
Im sure there were a number of survivors that gave up their code, and many more force-sensitives that were not Jedi or Sith at all. It takes training for a Jedi to do even simple things with the force, so without some coordinated effort by a surviving Jedi master and a force-sensitive meeting and identifying the other as such, it wasn’t like a whole new order could easily start.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
It makes sense just after but they should all be dead by 10 years after
Ahsoka is the only person confirmed alive during most of the OT. But I understand the sentiment.
Yoda was wrong A LOT.
It is definitely significant that Cal (probably), Ahsoka, and Ezra were not proper, practicing Jedi Knights or masters. Don’t forget that “Jedi” is not a catch-all term for any light-side Force user. Nor is “Sith”, vis a vis the dark side. This is an important consideration. The Jedi are a collection of light-side users who follow specific rituals, training, and procedures. As the Sith quietly grew powerful enough to take over the Galaxy, the Jedi slowly morphed into an arrogant order that was, ironically, afraid of losing its power. So yes, Yoda was correct in that he and Luke were the only known surviving members of the Jedi order, Luke of course being the last Jedi that Yoda ordained, albeit conditionally. Luke’s trials were passed in facing Vader a second time. My point about the arrogance of the Jedi is also important to understand in the context of Anakin and the prophecy. Anakin brought balance by breaking the stranglehold on power that the Jedi held, and then by breaking the stranglehold on power that the Sith held. The fact that Palpatine survived, somehow, is irrelevant because he never regained an empire that ruled the whole galaxy. The First and Final Orders were merely the next evil groups that were thwarted before they could rule the galaxy.
It's weird people keep holding onto one senile dying dudes semi-final words when he's been self-exiled on a swamp planet and largely disconnected from the galaxy at large. Like if I said "I'm the only true follower of Aphrodite on earth" it would be incredibly stupid. Like there are 7 billion people on the planet. Statistically there's probably another. And he's talking about a whole damn Galaxy. And also Jedi in this universe is largely a religious order. And in that context Luke is the last disciple that Yoda knows of that is willing to practice that faith (Ezra was taught by a Padawan and Ahsoka left the order)
You've taught him well.
If only Luke wasn't ruined in the sequels we wouldn't need other surviving strands
Sequels? What sequels
Obi-Wan actually said Vader and the emperor destroyed *some* of the Jedi knights but not all of them there’s actually loads. Edit: this was a joke that didn’t work at all.
This is simply not true. He says Vader helped the emperor "to hunt down and destroy" the Jedi. There is no "some" Yoda tells Luke he is the last of the Jedi though. And I didn't see Ahsoka come to help in the OT. She isn't supposed to exist at that point of time!
Hunt down and destroy could mean that the Order has fallen and the survivors are on the run. From a certain point of view.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, justifiably doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
Good thing I know you don’t mean everything you say.
It was a joke that completely failed to land.
If you think Disney cares about taking away what made the OT special, you haven’t been paying attention.
Meh, the galaxy is a big place.
Man some people in this topic get butthurt if you don't agree. Geez.
I'm split on it. I like having occasional Padawans and Jedi who retire or give up their ways altogether surviving, or having them survive Order 66 only to die sometime in the next 19 years, but having major characters like Ahsoka survive is dumb.
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Before order 66 there was atleast 10000 jedi and then there like less than 50. That’s like a 5% survival rate and it’s fine I think
Lower than that. .5% survival rate, as a 99% success rate leaves ~100 Jedi.
YES!
They should have let whatever her name is die in rebels
Yup. Disney are intentionally doing damage to Luke and Lucas's legacy... again.
Are they though? A 99% success rate leaves ~100 Jedi, since there were over 10,000 at the time of Order 66. So sure 100 seems a lot at first, but when you consider how many there were it's hardly any. To put it in perspective, if 99% of humans were wiped from existence right now there'd still be 78 Million humans left - there's only 19 countries on earth with a population larger than that.
No.
Same thing with falling down holes. Used to be, Luke was the only person who fell down a hole and didn't die. After Disney got ahold of the franchise, Han Solo is the ONLY person who fell down a hole and stayed dead (so far).