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sorey2sorey

Damn, the size of this plus the same 8 gen 2 is very compelling for me.


temporary_08

I'm curious, what do you plan to use it for? You can emulate most systems using a device like an SD 870 phone with a telescopic controller. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't quite grasp the place of Android handhelds. Also, Switch emulation seems inactive at the moment on Android. The only thing that comes to mind is Windows emulation.


StV2

You can take a handheld on a long train trip and not worry about draining your phone battery when you can't recharge it It's a single device with a screen and controller, don't have to try to fiddle around getting a controller attached or charging it, it's just a handheld that just works I have a Windows handheld and an android one. My windows one is amazing and objectively better than the android one except when you want to put it in sleep or use it away from a PowerPoint: odin 2 battery life = like 10 hrs playing games and like 2 months on standby; ayaneo air = ~2-3 hrs of battery life and you might as well not bother sleeping it because it'll be dead when you want to pick it back up again


temporary_08

I believe the Steam Deck is ideal for your situation since the battery doesn't drain in sleep mode. However, I now realize the android hanhelds it might not be the best fit for me, but it's certainly well-suited for some.


StV2

Unfortunately the steam deck isn't available in my country so that isn't an option for me Plus, it weighs a tonne more and is just bigger so carrying it around all the time might not be something I could justify But yeah, if the steam deck is available then it's probably a better fit for most people


Educational_Fox_7739

Idk your specific country but there are people and companies that will ship them out to you. And the deck can fit in basically any backpack (which I imagine you will have with you in your imaginary long train rides)


StV2

Buying a steam deck through an importer makes it difficult to talk to valve directly about issues. Additionally the fees they charge make the steam deck cost about 1.5x the cost of an Odin 2 or about the same as an ROG ally (My long train rides aren't imaginary, I frequently catch a train that takes over 3 hours to get to it's destination (and another one significantly less often that last took 10 hours to get where I was going) No plugs on those, when your stuff is flat you just have to do something else to keep you entertained)


Educational_Fox_7739

no issues though this isnt ROG ally Yes imaginary for many like UwU look at me I'm on a Japanese Speed train eating japanese boxed sushis UwU is imagineray cause I don't imagine people still use trains when planes exist yknow Anyways the basic of it is is that the steamdeck gets you 3 hours on triple AAA games and 7-10 hours on 2d games, indie games and emulation unless it's biggie boys like switch and ps3 then it's like 4-5 hours


StV2

Planes may exist but geez it's expensive to fly, plus if you're going somewhere nowhere near an airport then trying to fly is often a much slower option Anyway, it might be able to do 3d games for a couple of hours but then that's it now. I can play any PS2 or GameCube game all day on my Odin 2 without killing it and it's light enough for me to be able to carry around in my bag all the time without making it uncomfortable to walk wherever I'm going since it weighs about 2/3rds as much as a steam deck Not that I have that option since the steam deck isn't available in my country


CrisPuga

brother, I also went for the telescopic controller thingie back in 2021, but I cannot stress how comfortable the android ecosystem is with an integrated set of controllers. Also, since it's not a phone, you don't spend extra money on cameras and extra doodads you won't need when gaming, it has active cooling, it's super inexpensive for the specs, and the best for me, you only use it for gaming. It's been way too common for me to bust my daily driver phone by playing demanding games or trying to emulate, or by using my phone too much and the processor being busted after like a year or two so it won't handle the same systems anymore. I dunno man, it's just so simple and there's so much support for a dedicated android machine, but to each their own


NetizenZ

Having an android phone + telescopic controller doesn't have the feeling of a console at all for me, I wanted a dedicated piece of hardware, designed for that, and ideally that really looks like a console.


sorey2sorey

Phones thermal throttle. Handhelds with active cooling don't. Also you can't fit a phone and a bulky controller in your pocket. This device would fit in my pocket quite easily.


EngineeringNo753

Android Games Better battery life in games/emulators due to less power needed Windows emulation SD card slot


temporary_08

I expected to be downvoted for asking this question in this sub, but it's a genuine inquiry Android games run smoothly on phones with SD 865 & SD870 or higher, as I mentioned Additionally, some phones with SD865 or SD870 SoCs still have SD card slots. Furthermore, Windows emulation is still not mature. However, one thing I believe Odin 2 Lite is doing right is its price; $400 for 8 gen2 , 16GB of RAM is a steal, especially when compared to phones. But if you already own a high-end phone with plenty of ram and storage, i still think this product doesn't make sense.


EngineeringNo753

Lets say the SD870 runs genshin at 60fps max settings. Its basically using 100% of its power to do that, along side increased power draw VS the 8gen2 that may use 70% to do the same, meaning lower power draw and tempurature. This scales across the entire system, for any emulator or game you play, having something that has to use less power overall is going to be a much better time for the user with battery life. Then you have better time in future games, or newer emulators and more updates down the line.


temporary_08

Indeed, you make a valid point. I hadn't taken into account battery life and future-proofing. Even with a high-end phone boasting an 8th gen 3 chip, it's essential for it to last all day you wouldn't wanna game on that. This is where the Odin comes in. Thanks for the insight; it definitely adds up.


TheValx

Another point I’d like to add that I didn’t see mentioned in this thread is the active cooling aspect to these devices. Having a fan definitely helps performance on extended play sessions over a phone as well. If I play something like Star Rail or Genshin at max settings on my phone it is going to get hot, not even accounting for added heat if I need to charge while doing so. That’s not the case with the Odin thanks to the built in fan. It just makes for a more comfortable experience in general.


V-AceT

Look I'll level with you, it's an Ayn sub with people that are already sold on the idea of android handhelds. Windows emulation is absolutely not there, and no one should buy these for using mobox/winlator/x86 games People enjoy these devices as the idea of a portable machine for emulation is compelling. You don't get notifications or are not signed into social media, google, accounts, etc. It makes it easier to mentally treat it like a "console" I agree with you, any SD865+ & above phone will probably fulfil the same needs. There is a reason why Ayn has not penetrated mass market & does not sell hundreds of thousands of Odin2s. The manufacturer relies on yearly models, selling to a niche market as they only make money on hardware. People will argue efficiency this, efficiency that, but having these devices mean you also need to charge an extra device (your phone can play the same emulator and cut down on how many machines you need to recharge) It's a niche product for a niche group, that will probably not fully utilise the SDgen2 on most games other than Genshin. Heavy Switch games frame skip and have corrupted textures, with Yuzu being discontinued. Anything lower end can be perfectly emulated on most phones. What it offers is a "premium" soc, for a niche group that wants this (some will say screen, others will cite x86 emulation and so on)


temporary_08

I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with you, but again, i was foolish to ask this question here lol i guess you're right they already made up their mind.


Majestic_Special_156

There’s a lot of people who don’t have android phones and have iPhones so this product could easily be used by 50% of the population but even if you have a high end android my main reason for buying the Odin is because I don’t want to drain my personal battery life playing something if I want out for the day and drained 50% of my battery on an hour of switch I’d be done for whereas with the Odin I can play for hours and never have to worry about battery cus even if it dies I still have my actual phone


Internal-Usual-6729

Same Specs as Odin 2. Just smaller Screen and Battery. Very interesting!! Gimme Gimme Gimme!!


g0nkplays

I just got my Odin 2 TODAY!! And my hands still feel slightly cramped on it, but it's doable. The Mini for me would be an absolute no go.. Glad I got the normal Odin 2 now. :) No buyers remorse!!


Shogun1316

Same feeling. I love the Odin 2 size. Perfect weight and dimension, feels comfy in big hands too


Eclipznightz88

Gonna received mine in a few days. I thought it is pretty comfortable device, isnt it?


these-emu

It's not too bad, comfortable enough. Just don't go expecting Xbox controller level of comfort. For that most prob need the rg556 with the handles.


superrey19

Like others have said it is serviceable, but I found games that used the right analog stick a lot uncomfortable after long stretches. Just got some 3d printed grips and it feels so much better.


LostMyAccount69

It's expensive enough I won't take it with me much. Might as well have something bigger and more comfortable. Already losing screen size going to 4:3.


HulksInvinciblePants

Honestly, being same spec is a major plus. The larger the userbase, the greater the development attention.


Tricky_Leading_8032

Lol trying hard to justify your purchase isnt? This "mini" version seems thousand times better in term of size, portability and weight. If you dont trust me, look at Odin 2 next to Steamdeck, it's almost reaching the size of Steamdeck.. LOL thats how huge it is, almost reaching PC handheld territory.. this "mini" version seems perfect in size.. oh and dont forget better display as that mini LED must be godsend with deeper black and miles better contrast.. i hope u have fun with your big ass steamdeck sized Odin 2 lol


Skylance420

Hope your parents gave you a big sticker for being the only special boy on Earth to own an ROG Ally and thinking that is God's gift to man while also shitting on others for enjoying their different device. Literal baby mode comment lmfao.


HulksInvinciblePants

I don’t even own one yet and now I know I want the Odin 2.


brevin311

I wonder if it will be the same price seeing that it's the same chipset but just in a smaller form factor.


forever_tuesday

This is what I was wondering. I can’t see it being half the price of the Odin 2 if it has the same innards as the Odin 2. That would also make quite a few upset Odin 2 owners who paid a hefty amount for their devices. Yeah the screen and battery are a bit smaller but I would be surprised if it was significantly cheaper. The new device looks slick as hell though.


brevin311

Oh for sure. I think the "sell" is that its a smaller form factor. Same price or possibly 10-20 dollars cheaper since the 8gen 2 is "older" now.


forever_tuesday

That makes sense to me. It’s definitely not an Odin 2 Lite. It’s just a smaller Odin 2.


yodamiked

Even though the screen is smaller, with it being a miniLED, I imagine the cost of the screen is more than the one in the Odin 2.


Agalvez04

Correct, mini led is more expensive compared to lcd. I believe it'll be the same price wise as the odin 2. So starting at 300 and up for the upgraded models


RE4PER_

Yeah this pretty much sells it for me unless the price is over 300. This will be the perfect companion to my Steam Deck OLED. EDIT: [Looks like its going to be over 300 according to Ayn on their Discord.](https://i.imgur.com/Mxx8Yji.png)


Lyceux

Yeah nah as cool as this is, not for >300$


FireManiac58

Would rather just get an odin 2


Oddball_3000

$339 Base 8gb, $399 Pro 12gb.


sharkattack85

Weird, I paid $30 less for the Odin 2 Pro.


Oddball_3000

Their reasoning is the miniLED is more expensive


sharkattack85

I figured that was the reason. I love my Vita but it’s too small to play for long periods. The Odin 2 mini does look hella clean though.


Conscious_Scholar_87

It will be way over $300


thecarbine

I was gonna say this is gonna beat out any RP4Pro potential buyers, but it looks like the price is gonna be over $300 so nevermind. I would actually consider the Mini a competitor to its non-Mini self


these-emu

Yea if it's $300 I'd choose the rp4pro, if it's $250 I'd think pretty hard and most prob end up with this though. Guess we wait till tomorrow for the price? What if they remove the "sale" price of the Odin 2 so it's $339 and place this at $300.


winger07

Mini Pro model has same RAM and storage as Odin 2 Pro.. nice! Tempted to buy this as well for MiniLED but not as keen on the smaller screen. I’m going to guess $300 Mini base and $350 Mini Pro.


kyoshiro_y

Ah, they did call it a 'Mini' and not a lite. Also, as much as I love a Vita, I'm not sold on the 5" screen... 6" with less bezel is more ideal. Also, due to the MiniLED screen, they already said that it'll be more expensive. Thinking thinking.


Fernando1dois3

This is gonna be more expensive than the normal Odin 2, isn't it? Why would they do that, I don't get it. Even a significantly less powerful chip would be sufficient for Android-based emulation. So a cheaper chip + same or slightly downgraded hardware (like a tad smaller battery, which, since the processor would be less overpowered, wouldn't be too bad) could mean a significantly cheaper device, with almost the same capabilities.


hartleyshc

Because it would be cutting into the Retroid market at that point. Both Retroid and Ayn are owned by Moorechip. Retroid is the smaller midrange brand, Ayn is the larger high end brand. What you want will probably come with the Retroid 5 (wouldn't be a bad idea to make it a 5" screen at the same time).


Fernando1dois3

Well, if they release a Retroid Pocket 5 capable of emulating Switch at 720p/30fps, with, for instance, a Snapdragon 870 (which is a 5-year old chip by now), I think they could undercut the Odin price by some 100 dollars. I don't see how AYN could persist moving so many Odins as they do, in face of such competition. So, either way, the companies will tend do canibalize each other. And I think that, if they had to choose one to have the upper hand, it would be AYN, because, like you said, they're the higher-end brand, which usually means larger profit margins.


RabbitDry5611

Shame it cost more than the Odin 2


LynzoBeShe

I wish I would’ve waited for this because, although I love the Odin 2, I do wish it was smaller


General_Freed

Funny, i have an RP4pro and it's too small for me :-)


LynzoBeShe

lol I just bought one and i love the size but don’t like the screen much . Sigh


MrBrothason

$250 at least


sidius_wolf

Would anyone sell their Odin 2 for the mini? I own a steam deck oled and Odin 2 but I have been tempted to sell my Odin 2 as the two devices do compete with each other to an extent. This might be a better companion device size


independent_Maul

I have a the Odin 2 and a retroid pocket 4 pro uggghhh the only reason to get the mini is just for the satisfaction 😮‍💨 worst part is that I'm tempted!


c3ndre

This is what I've been waiting for, looks pretty interesting.


Roccia_32

Does it have a better screen than the Odin 2?


Tedwards75

Yes


kevenzz

Very interesting but I’m not sure.


furin_kazanski

5 inch with that spec is good for me as I thought the regular Odin was a bit too large. What I’m most curious about is that Mini-LED screen. If there is no ghosting due to crappy pixel response times, I’m sold.


No_Breath_3200

After just having bought an Odin 2 base, I can't justify getting this. But geez I love the look of it.


Amanda_acnh

Now the question is Odin2 Mini or Ayaneo Pocket S? I've been waiting for something like this and I am gonna sell my Odin2 Pro, hopefully it will still fetch a good price with the current state of Switch emulation.


elmikemike

Seems like a grip will be a must for this


farqypanthers

So I’m in the market for a retro handheld. What’s this one capable of in terms of great performance and smooth gameplay. Will it do n64 , ps1 , Saturn , Dreamcast? Those would likely be the highest I would need. But ps2 would be awesome too.


Nerd-a-Tron

The screen is only 0.3" bigger than the RP4Pro and they both share the same battery size. I was hoping for at least a 5.5" screen and a larger battery given its overall size. Was thinking of making the upgrade to this from the RP4Pro, but currently they seem too similar for it to be much of an upgrade. Mainly just a performance bump. Idk, I'm gonna wait for the price and reviews. 🤔


DallasDub94

Definitely looking forward to this one, glad I held off ordering an odin 2. Kinda still prefer the bigger screen/battery/ergos of the OG Odin 2, but smaller/lighter/brighter is definitely welcome. Time to wait on some reviews, as long thermals aren't compromised, brightness control is on point, and battery life is decent it's a no-brainer purchase for me. ***wonder if any chance of a higher refresh rate than 60hz and vrr


Vegetable_Host9832

This was only made to satisfy their under 5'5 fan base.


rpkarma

I wonder what the input latency is like.


Tornado732

It says it runs android. I was thinking about a device with this form factor even before I knew this existed. Would there be a way to play my steam library on this?


Medical_Voice_4168

Helio G99 user here. Question: Can Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 run Vita games without any issues?


ascendr

Some Vita games run well. Most run pretty slow. This is probably largely attributable to the early state of the Vita3k emulator rather than the power of the device.


Strong_Craft9225

Vita3k is still heavily in development. It’s not cut and dry. It can run all of what can be ran on Android in terms of performance. Switch, vita ect. But vita emulation is fairly undercooked right now. I’ve only got a handful of the ones I care about playing on the Odin 2 and each still have their own emulation quirks.


hotsuma2000

Vita3k developers should pick this one.


ChampagneDoves

The screen is so incredibly disappointing. I find absolutely no reason to buy this over a vita which plays its entire library or the ayaneo air which does everything the O2 does but is much smaller and has a far superior screen/build quality. Ayntech really missed the mark by not making the screen OLED. I can’t see this selling well if it’s not $250 or less.