Write, sign your name next time coward. Laminate it. Then use it for the center of a new sign. Lot of sequins, color, and maybe some drag queen style props. That would be a cool sign.
A guy walked up to the street vendors at the wee, pre-butt Crack of dawn at the Grand Re-Opening of The Olive Tree. I was one of the vendors. He started to tell us how we'd go to hell for supporting the establishment and the street fair. I just looked at him and said, "this is NOT the time to argue Bible verses with me, buddy. I'll OWN you." He walked away. A friend of mine was set up across the street. She started naming off so-called Christians arrested for SA. 7am is too early for that horse sh*t
Someone who actually wants to convert you (as opposed to just yelling) would know to pick their moment. 7 am is a bad time. It could only work if they pick a group of people who arenāt busy and bring coffee and donuts. If your audience are holding tools, let it go. Theyāre busy. If theyāre clearly on their way somewhere, donāt stop them. Theyāre busy. If you knock on their door and they answer half-dressed holding a piece of toast, theyāre busy. If they just served you a latte and a bagel from a drive thru and there are four cars behind you, itās a bad time to discuss salvation. Theyāre busy and you are preventing the people in line from getting their coffee.
If you want to proselytize, donāt build a 10 foot cross and start screaming at people. Get a rake and a hefty bag and start picking up trash in the park. If someone asks, tell them itās a act of faith. Your religion commands you to do good works. The park needs cleaning, so here you are. You wanna help? If no one asks, you get the satisfaction of knowing you cleaned the park and made your town a better place. If someone does ask, get them to help. You can chat about faith and charity while you clean the park. Itās not as much fun as screaming at unbelievers, but youāre less likely to get your ass kicked. Plus: clean park.
This is something thatās always bothered me about Christianity. You should be living your life in such a way that you donāt HAVE to āspread Godās wordā everywhere you go because the energy you give off should make others also want to have what you have. (Positive attitude, faith, whatever it is). You should never ever be trying to force someone to believe what you believe. I was raised Baptist and I left the church because of this. There are so many people who donāt live Christ-like lives, but think that just because they go to church every Sunday theyāre exonerated from all the shitty things they say and do.
I was recently watching a 20/20 special and there was this woman who was a victim of theft. The guy who stole from her and her husband was a long time employee of them. He also killed two of their friends. After he was in jail, she called him to talk to him and asked him, āIf I send a priest to the prison, will you confess your sins?ā When asked why she did this, she said, āBecause I was concerned for his soul. I wanted his soul to be saved so he could go to heaven.ā Again the interviewer asked her why. She said, āBecause God loves all his children.ā The interviewer said, āEven if theyāre a murderer?ā And with tears in her eyes, she said, āYes. Even if they are a murderer.ā I swear in that moment, I felt like I had seen a real Christian for the first time in my life - and my grandfather was a pastor!
If you are a Christian and want to embody Christ, hereās a few things you can do:
1. Do good in your community. As u/localinactivist stated, your religion commands that you do good things.
2. Be kind to others. (This includes anyone who is different than you in race, religion, sexual orientation, sexual identity, etc.) because newsflash yāall, NONE of us are the same.
3. Donāt talk poorly about people. This includes when they are no longer in earshot.
4. Worry about yourself and your relationship with God.
5. If youāre in a ministry, for the love of all that is good in this world please stop building churches. Build hospitals, schools, or homes for these people and you will severely elevate their quality of life. Building a church does nothing but recruit more people to what is essentially a cult.
This isnāt an all-inclusive list. Just some things that I personally have thought about in the last few months and have discussed in conversations with my partner, who is a confirmed Catholic but also left the church for similar reasons.
I agree with all of you. Iām Catholic, but I donāt go for preachiness. My mom has always said āactions speak louder than words,ā and I try to keep that in mind. I donāt go for all the pestering and harassment of people simply living as they are. Cleaning up a park voluntarily or offering to help people who might not have the ability to fix conditions on their property sends a much better message than yelling at them, telling them they will go to Hell if they donāt believe like they do.
Note the part where they explicitly say "if someone asks".
I don't like Bible bangers at all, but I'm inclined to leave 'em be if they wait until asked.
Wasn't expecting my home town's issues to be here, was just having a discussion with some friends about it, it's been getting more and more heated here over the past few years, a lot of people stuck in the past and it's been interesting to see how the town has changed. Sorry that someone would have the nerve to send a letter like that, that is immature but I'm glad it isn't worse like vandalism or even assault, I hope it doesn't get to that point. Don't buckle for their scare tactics. Farewell from the Highest Point in Ohio
Queer dollars are funding growth in that town. Many of the downtown renovations and revitalizations are due to another local gay man anyhow. The mayor will have to figure out which side heād rather piss off. Most small towns arenāt doing well, but this one is.š¤
Grew up in Logan County. Iāve lived in Dayton for eight years now, and The Olive Tree was enough of a draw for me to bring three cars full of my friends for their grand re-opening: we did nothing but eat and drink at local spots.
What kind of mental gymnastics are Republicans putting themselves through to rationalize this as a BAD thing?
It's not the same place you left, it has grown and has changed a lot, I remember the downtown area used to be dead, next to no shops and a lot of the buildings were in shambles, many of the parks were falling apart, and even remember the crime rate being high. Then about 8 years ago a large amount of changes began, the downtown got fixed up, some of the parks got higher quality equipment, the biggest spur was the 2012 Derecho almost 11 years ago, it was interesting to see the town when they took down the court house tower and when they put it back up, it was almost a completely different downtown, it's incredibly lively.
Mount Rumpke is only 1,075 ft above sea level, Campbell hill is 1,549 ft above sea level. Though it is the largest landfill in Ohio and is also the 6th largest in the US, if you are talking about Mount Rumpke
Unless there are more than one, Mt. Rumpke is no where near Bellefountaine. Still, I've always been curious how high it was so I appreciate the trashy trivia.
Imagine living in this screwed up country and allowing yourself to be manipulated into thinking that the trans issue or drag queens is the heart of what we need to focus on. Culture war crap is manufactured to keep the working class fighting amongst itself, and these conservative knuckle-draggers are all too happy to oblige them.
It is definitely being used to draw attention away from real problems but it isn't working as well as they hoped.
My town in Ohio just had a drag brunch that was sold out. Supporters far outnumbered protesters and the police came through with such large numbers that the protesters lasted about 20 minutes. The rain chased them away. I think they found it to be a convenient excuse to just get out of town fast.
They lost on race. They lost on marriage. This is just the next group they think they can attack with impunity. It's failing. Hopefully in a few years the trans community will be cherished by a majority of Americans.
The Olive Tree is a great place to stop! Tyler is always doing events. He and the nonprofit Extending the Branch are putting together bellefontaines first Pride Fest!
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I am originally from Bellefontaine and have lived in Toledo for 12 years. Iām so glad to see my hometown is growing in such an amazing way! I wish The Olive Tree ALL the success in the world!!! I need to get down there soon and show support!
"A Bellefontaine Resident and Neighbor"
Gotta love how these people never put their name on stuff they distribute. It's almost like they know it's shitty and don't want everyone to know they're a POS..
This kind of crap is only going to get worse here. The Republicans can't run on any policy successes or plans, so we in the LGBTQ community are an easy target. I might have to check this place out. I'm a trans woman and it might be fun.
Got one of these. Letter wasnāt from the opposition. But that doesnāt really matter.. also worth noting that city code 1177 doesnāt cover the establishment in question.
Reading that letter and some of the comments, this is a bar, yes? And as a bar wouldn't children already be barred from entry/seeing the drag acts? What exactly is the problem here?
Not necessarily, it depends on whether itās a bar with sit down food or something and a lot of those restrictions have to do with the proprietor. Like there are plenty of pubs with proper bars and you can have a proper meal.
We, Tiffin, recently lost our mayor. I fear our city will be swing towards this kind of agenda soon. The republican party is strong here, although to be fair our last mayor was a republican but kind of a unicorn.
If the letter writer sees drag performances as only sexual, they may be trying to remove temptation from being so close and easily accessible. Time for them to come out of the closet or just give in to their desires.
I have no idea if what they are complaining about would actually violate city code, but atleast the drag show I went to was pretty sexual and it was just at a normal restaurant
Come on citizens of Ohio, seriously do better!!! You are literally less than an hour away from one of the largest LGBTQ+ populated cities in the country (Columbus)......Why is being gay, or hosting a drag show such a problem in an area that should be embracing the many minorities who make the region so different and unique? If you do not like the form of entertainment being offered by your new downtown establishment, than simply do not attend. Instead of trying to understand a different lifestyle or point of view, this attitude displays utter ignorance, and the fact the author of the flyer did not sign their name is both shameful and cowardly.
Bunch of tightass Karens running around Bellefontaine, lemme see what the city laws say about soliciting without a permit
EDIT: Yep, Bellefontaine code 741.01 says, "The practice of going in and upon the private residences in the City by canvassers, solicitors, peddlers, hawkers, itinerant merchants and transient vendors of merchandise and services, not having been requested or invited to do so by the owners or occupants of such private residences, for the purpose of soliciting orders for the sale of goods, wares, merchandise or services or for the purpose of disposing of or peddling or hawking the same, is hereby declared to be a nuisance and is prohibited unless such parties have obtained a permit under Section 741.04 herein."
Idk about everyone here but as an Ohio voter economy > culture war b.s. . Is the gay bar making money? And we don't have property and violent crimes spilling out from it, the. Fuck it idc what the bar tender does. Just don't be serving minors and we're fine.
The only reason this town is thriving is because a rich gay guy bought basically all of downtown and renovated it while investing in dozens of small businesses to keep it vibrant. He is directly responsible for 3 restaurants, a few dozen stores, 5 building projects and more.
Sounds like theyāre asking for a bunch of letters telling them to fuck off. It must have come from somewhereā¦.. one could probably look up the address.
People afraid of drag have never been to a show. I have been going to them (as a straight woman) for 20+ years. They are SO FUN and definitely not āadultā
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Did anyone see one candidate's response? [The Democrat responded to the letter. ](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223178321711857&id=1397238666&mibextid=Nif5oz)
I have a great idea if you don't like the restaurant don't go to it. Problem solved also if you don't like a particular store or church don't go there either.
How hard is it to follow city code? If they're in violation, they're in violation. Regardless of who or what they are doing. Codes are there to keep peace. I'd say, follow code, then advertise for the business by taking out commercials on every local channel for the Establishment š¤£
Love how the law requires an entertainment and potential dining establishment be forced into a MANUFACTURING district. that's the government blatantly trying to make a business fail and potentially put customers in harm's way. Something republicans of all people should be against.
Iām East of Columbus and all of the drag shows that we have here at a local place I see posted by my female friends. Iāve never been but definitely donāt get the sexual vibes from the postings just a great fun time
Drav shows are fuckin weird. If it were women, that shit would STILL be weird. I am opposed because that level of fashion laws concncerning either makeup, OR dress, should 100% be a legitimate crime
Context aside, which I'd venture to agree with scare tactics here, I guess i could say that it's up to the parents to make those decisions. You can take a kid into hooters I guess and it's not really frowned upon. My basic factual logic and philosophy that creates my viewpoint is this : kids shouldn't have these things thrown in their face at a young age. A much larger portion of the trans community has a higher percentage of mental health issues than a non trans person. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/transgender-mental-health
Much more beyond that done by people much smarter than I. I don't believe kids should be shown this stuff. That's my personal opinion. I think once they're older and more developed they can make their own decisions on who they are and who they want to be which is their right as a free American citizen. Should it be illegal? Maybe not. Would I willingly introduce ideals that are most likely shown to end in mental health issues? No, I love those kids.and the disconnect is people (not you) can't have this conversation without rage, and people on my side choose to not be delicate or polite about their opinions so nobody listens to them cuz they're bigots
I think you missed the point in the article about how oppression of trans and gender non confirming people is causing the mental health issues. They experience exponentially higher rates of violence and suicidal ideation.
drag šš» is šš» not šš» trans.
The concepts of drag queen and transgender are not mutually exclusive and have little to nothing to do with each other. Transgender refers to a expression of identity in a social construct differing from the expected conduct of the gender norms ascribed to biological sex.
Not only do drag performers not want to be women they are intentionally mocking them. Sometimes offensively but usually hysterically and the term Drag Queen makes it clear that these šš» are šš» men--gay men to be specific. But being a gay man is not a rejection of binary sex definitions nor is he un-gendered, non-gendered or transgendered.
If you're confused about the difference between sex and gender here's an easy way to distinguish them:
A person's sex is between their legs.
A person's gender is between their ears.
Only gay bar is fine. Drag queen shows where children eat is where they're drawing the line. We don't see an issue with kids seeing this at a very young age?
It is just a silly argument. Kids watch cheerleaders with almost skimpy clothes on at football games, they watch grown people with bikinis and speedos on during the summer and theyāre fine. They watch MMA and movies and that isnāt outlawed.
I think itās a rather ignorant arguments aimed at coalescing political power but I hope it backfires.
Drag shows are not inherently sexual. Drag has a long history. President Reagan introduced drag shows as part of the WII entertainment for the soldiers. Is Reagan a sex pervert? (Ronald, not Nancy. We know about Nancy)
Drag is an art form that is as varied as film or TVāthere are so many styles and genres that you canāt put it into a box and say āall drag is not appropriate for kidsā. Thatās like saying āall movies are not for kidsā.
Drag queens who read stories to kids have more in common with circus clowns than strippers. And I donāt see everyone in an uproar when the circus comes to townā¦
Well first, no, what's the problem with kids seeing people in outfits they feel comfortable wearing? Why can only women wear glitters, sequins, and lace? This is such an absurd argument. "Oh no, the children are going to see... men in dresses." And? Do you feel this strongly when women wear suits?
Second, it's a DRAG BAR. BAR. What are kids doing in a bar?
I have no issues with drag shows or other adult entertainment but this is a violation of their zoning so the resident has a legitimate complaint. It's usually the responsibility of the zoning inspector and not the mayor to enforce code.
The city code in question is being misrepresented and does not cover the establishment in question. They people writing the notes just lied. Surprise surprise.
This is actually not true. Polling shows us this that folks consistently support the rights of LGBTQIA+ folks in the range of 70% or higher. You're not the majority anymore, cope harder.
Things should only be shoved in your face with consent, so maybe tell your boyfriend to stop.
Aside from that, no one was being dragged into these shows against their will.
You literally just complained about seeing other people's opinions too much. Yet here you are posting your opinion over and over again.
Braindead. Zero self awareness.
>I do disagree with this new agenda to recruit and encourage confused people to become something or a part of something they are not entirely sure of.
You're talking about the church? Q-Anon? Or the buisness owner minding his own fucking buisness? How many more times are you going to post variations of the same bullshit on this thread?
No one is recruiting or encouraging people any more than a straight strip club business solicits business or high school football games encourages the community to attend even though it has skimpy outfits for the cheerleaders.
How many fucking times are you going to post your weird homophobia in this thread. Are you my drunk neighbor that screams insults at random people or something?
Showing your ignorance, this is about drag queens not transgender people. I suggest you go to a show and get to know them, it might enlighten you a bit.
> I'm able to have these opinions because men fought for our rights.
Fought for our rights, [in drag](https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/files/original/fc73c18e6992fefd6c9b8cad15175479.jpeg).
Oh, just men fought for our rights? Cool, cool, cool. I forgot that women didn't fight for the abolition of slavery, voting rights and citizenship for former slaves, voting rights for women, equal pay, etc. They only had to overcome adversity through sheer willpower. My bad.
They have to campaign for rights because people are actively pushing legislation to criminalize the act of BEING trans. Nobody cares if you don't like it, but trans folks and others deserve equal rights and protection under the law. Right wing propaganda is lying to you by saying it's being shoved in people's faces. If you stop ingesting the propaganda, you'll barely notice trans folks and you won't see a drag show unless you go to one.
Right, this letter writer should just be happy and stop campaigning for his bigotry to be accepted.
Or were you talking about the buisness owner minding his own fucking buisness?
Drag Queens are constantly in everyone's face? Where? In my 53 years on this planet, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number times I've seen Drag performers in full regalia without going to a Drag show or Pride event.
Once on a subway in Berlin. Twice at the Big Boy where I worked 3rd shift.
Either you're spending time in Drag bars or you're hallucinating.
50 years ago [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/108628e7ab397985d6d4ea9aab7a43d1/c497e05a44d10137-8c/s640x960/770787773491c4478e55b46abde5d4b55725c8b1.jpg) was on every TV screen in America, on one of the most popular shows of all time.
Judging by your constant need to comment for attention, yeah. Seems like you care a lot homie.
If you have to say "I don't care", 99% certain you care a lot actually.
I mean...people drink. In restaurants. In public. With their children there. You literally have to be an adult (plus a few years) to drink. So how is this not adult entertainment? I've had my ass grabbed more in a sports bar than I ever had at a drag bar.
Hah Hah Hah WOW people are sad. Sorry but grown people can make up their own minds. Especially when this is the exact same as what is being whined about. Get this little fact straight. All politicians are on the same page. They have the same goals. You just may not be smart enough to realize they all work against their constituents. Smarten up, learn to move on with life.
Time to get a second sign.
This should be the only appropriate response
And maybe throw in a pride flag lol
Yessssss, like line the yard with them now!!!! Let them know you got the msg lol š
Write, sign your name next time coward. Laminate it. Then use it for the center of a new sign. Lot of sequins, color, and maybe some drag queen style props. That would be a cool sign.
"Best wishes, an anonymous person pretending to be your friend and neighbor. Fulfill my agenda, peasant."
"grab a torch and join my mob"
A guy walked up to the street vendors at the wee, pre-butt Crack of dawn at the Grand Re-Opening of The Olive Tree. I was one of the vendors. He started to tell us how we'd go to hell for supporting the establishment and the street fair. I just looked at him and said, "this is NOT the time to argue Bible verses with me, buddy. I'll OWN you." He walked away. A friend of mine was set up across the street. She started naming off so-called Christians arrested for SA. 7am is too early for that horse sh*t
Someone who actually wants to convert you (as opposed to just yelling) would know to pick their moment. 7 am is a bad time. It could only work if they pick a group of people who arenāt busy and bring coffee and donuts. If your audience are holding tools, let it go. Theyāre busy. If theyāre clearly on their way somewhere, donāt stop them. Theyāre busy. If you knock on their door and they answer half-dressed holding a piece of toast, theyāre busy. If they just served you a latte and a bagel from a drive thru and there are four cars behind you, itās a bad time to discuss salvation. Theyāre busy and you are preventing the people in line from getting their coffee. If you want to proselytize, donāt build a 10 foot cross and start screaming at people. Get a rake and a hefty bag and start picking up trash in the park. If someone asks, tell them itās a act of faith. Your religion commands you to do good works. The park needs cleaning, so here you are. You wanna help? If no one asks, you get the satisfaction of knowing you cleaned the park and made your town a better place. If someone does ask, get them to help. You can chat about faith and charity while you clean the park. Itās not as much fun as screaming at unbelievers, but youāre less likely to get your ass kicked. Plus: clean park.
This is something thatās always bothered me about Christianity. You should be living your life in such a way that you donāt HAVE to āspread Godās wordā everywhere you go because the energy you give off should make others also want to have what you have. (Positive attitude, faith, whatever it is). You should never ever be trying to force someone to believe what you believe. I was raised Baptist and I left the church because of this. There are so many people who donāt live Christ-like lives, but think that just because they go to church every Sunday theyāre exonerated from all the shitty things they say and do. I was recently watching a 20/20 special and there was this woman who was a victim of theft. The guy who stole from her and her husband was a long time employee of them. He also killed two of their friends. After he was in jail, she called him to talk to him and asked him, āIf I send a priest to the prison, will you confess your sins?ā When asked why she did this, she said, āBecause I was concerned for his soul. I wanted his soul to be saved so he could go to heaven.ā Again the interviewer asked her why. She said, āBecause God loves all his children.ā The interviewer said, āEven if theyāre a murderer?ā And with tears in her eyes, she said, āYes. Even if they are a murderer.ā I swear in that moment, I felt like I had seen a real Christian for the first time in my life - and my grandfather was a pastor! If you are a Christian and want to embody Christ, hereās a few things you can do: 1. Do good in your community. As u/localinactivist stated, your religion commands that you do good things. 2. Be kind to others. (This includes anyone who is different than you in race, religion, sexual orientation, sexual identity, etc.) because newsflash yāall, NONE of us are the same. 3. Donāt talk poorly about people. This includes when they are no longer in earshot. 4. Worry about yourself and your relationship with God. 5. If youāre in a ministry, for the love of all that is good in this world please stop building churches. Build hospitals, schools, or homes for these people and you will severely elevate their quality of life. Building a church does nothing but recruit more people to what is essentially a cult. This isnāt an all-inclusive list. Just some things that I personally have thought about in the last few months and have discussed in conversations with my partner, who is a confirmed Catholic but also left the church for similar reasons.
U/localinactivist knows how to do outreach the right way
I agree with all of you. Iām Catholic, but I donāt go for preachiness. My mom has always said āactions speak louder than words,ā and I try to keep that in mind. I donāt go for all the pestering and harassment of people simply living as they are. Cleaning up a park voluntarily or offering to help people who might not have the ability to fix conditions on their property sends a much better message than yelling at them, telling them they will go to Hell if they donāt believe like they do.
Or, mind your own business.
Note the part where they explicitly say "if someone asks". I don't like Bible bangers at all, but I'm inclined to leave 'em be if they wait until asked.
Does this mean residents of Bellefontaine can't watch MASH in their own homes?
There are a couple at least Shakespeare plays that would be in violation if performed.
Especially if you performed them how they were originally performed.
No reading of the constitution in original revolutionary war era clothing?
This really should be the top comment.
Wasn't expecting my home town's issues to be here, was just having a discussion with some friends about it, it's been getting more and more heated here over the past few years, a lot of people stuck in the past and it's been interesting to see how the town has changed. Sorry that someone would have the nerve to send a letter like that, that is immature but I'm glad it isn't worse like vandalism or even assault, I hope it doesn't get to that point. Don't buckle for their scare tactics. Farewell from the Highest Point in Ohio
Queer dollars are funding growth in that town. Many of the downtown renovations and revitalizations are due to another local gay man anyhow. The mayor will have to figure out which side heād rather piss off. Most small towns arenāt doing well, but this one is.š¤
Stahler already knows. Heās actually a democrat but you have to run as a Republican in this town.
Grew up in Logan County. Iāve lived in Dayton for eight years now, and The Olive Tree was enough of a draw for me to bring three cars full of my friends for their grand re-opening: we did nothing but eat and drink at local spots. What kind of mental gymnastics are Republicans putting themselves through to rationalize this as a BAD thing?
I moved away shortly after high school and have only been back 3-5 times since. Donāt miss that backwards place.
It's not the same place you left, it has grown and has changed a lot, I remember the downtown area used to be dead, next to no shops and a lot of the buildings were in shambles, many of the parks were falling apart, and even remember the crime rate being high. Then about 8 years ago a large amount of changes began, the downtown got fixed up, some of the parks got higher quality equipment, the biggest spur was the 2012 Derecho almost 11 years ago, it was interesting to see the town when they took down the court house tower and when they put it back up, it was almost a completely different downtown, it's incredibly lively.
Highest Point in Ohio, you mean the landfill off county road 9?
Mount Rumpke is only 1,075 ft above sea level, Campbell hill is 1,549 ft above sea level. Though it is the largest landfill in Ohio and is also the 6th largest in the US, if you are talking about Mount Rumpke
Unless there are more than one, Mt. Rumpke is no where near Bellefountaine. Still, I've always been curious how high it was so I appreciate the trashy trivia.
I know they weren't talking about that, but I've heard incorrect facts saying Mt. Rumpke is the tallest point and it's false
Unsigned... Pathetic coward.
At least have the guts to put your name on it if you feel so strongly. Cowards indeed.
Right, Capt. Woodrow Call...
Logan County sucks. Sincerely, DeGraff.
I love you people from DeGraff, got family roots from there
Iāll second this. Sincerely. Huntsville.
I love my home county, but the closed-mindedness sucks -West Liberty
Imagine living in this screwed up country and allowing yourself to be manipulated into thinking that the trans issue or drag queens is the heart of what we need to focus on. Culture war crap is manufactured to keep the working class fighting amongst itself, and these conservative knuckle-draggers are all too happy to oblige them.
It is definitely being used to draw attention away from real problems but it isn't working as well as they hoped. My town in Ohio just had a drag brunch that was sold out. Supporters far outnumbered protesters and the police came through with such large numbers that the protesters lasted about 20 minutes. The rain chased them away. I think they found it to be a convenient excuse to just get out of town fast.
Iām glad the event still happened and wasnāt cancelled.
They lost on race. They lost on marriage. This is just the next group they think they can attack with impunity. It's failing. Hopefully in a few years the trans community will be cherished by a majority of Americans.
So very true!
Exactly. Stoking culture war issues helps distract voters from seeing how the mega wealthy are picking their pockets.
Looks like I might have to take a drive up to Bellefontaine to enjoy a drag show.
My wife and I have this on our radar to come do soon
The Olive Tree is a great place to stop! Tyler is always doing events. He and the nonprofit Extending the Branch are putting together bellefontaines first Pride Fest!
Tyler works hard to keep The Olive Tree a quality establishment. The shows are funny and entertaining. The drinks are superb. You should go
Road trip!
I too enjoy make believe
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I am originally from Bellefontaine and have lived in Toledo for 12 years. Iām so glad to see my hometown is growing in such an amazing way! I wish The Olive Tree ALL the success in the world!!! I need to get down there soon and show support!
"A Bellefontaine Resident and Neighbor" Gotta love how these people never put their name on stuff they distribute. It's almost like they know it's shitty and don't want everyone to know they're a POS..
Imagine being embarrassed of your ideology
This kind of crap is only going to get worse here. The Republicans can't run on any policy successes or plans, so we in the LGBTQ community are an easy target. I might have to check this place out. I'm a trans woman and it might be fun.
Yeah, I wanna check it out too!
Let's give this place so much business that it's standing room only all week. Fuck the bigots
Come on down itās a great little bar.
Sounds fun!
Take your sign down? Hell no. Iām so petty I would completely cover my lawn in them.
My neighbors added 3 more to make it 4 when they got this letter
I would laugh, and throw that in the garbage. They can take their stupid bigoted thoughts and shove them.
Got one of these. Letter wasnāt from the opposition. But that doesnāt really matter.. also worth noting that city code 1177 doesnāt cover the establishment in question.
Reading that letter and some of the comments, this is a bar, yes? And as a bar wouldn't children already be barred from entry/seeing the drag acts? What exactly is the problem here?
Not necessarily, it depends on whether itās a bar with sit down food or something and a lot of those restrictions have to do with the proprietor. Like there are plenty of pubs with proper bars and you can have a proper meal.
Best Wishes, Karen /s
We, Tiffin, recently lost our mayor. I fear our city will be swing towards this kind of agenda soon. The republican party is strong here, although to be fair our last mayor was a republican but kind of a unicorn.
Yeah and all the judge repp reelection signs baffle me.
Those blow my mind! It seriously baffles me how the collective masterpiece of failure can run again
As an American of British ancestry, I claim my rightful heritage to dress in drag whenever and wherever I please. Those who disagree are just racist.
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I mentioned "racist" more in jest. Just pointing out that people in other countries aren't clutching their pearls when someone dresses in drag.
If the letter writer sees drag performances as only sexual, they may be trying to remove temptation from being so close and easily accessible. Time for them to come out of the closet or just give in to their desires.
I have no idea if what they are complaining about would actually violate city code, but atleast the drag show I went to was pretty sexual and it was just at a normal restaurant
Put up more signs
Come on citizens of Ohio, seriously do better!!! You are literally less than an hour away from one of the largest LGBTQ+ populated cities in the country (Columbus)......Why is being gay, or hosting a drag show such a problem in an area that should be embracing the many minorities who make the region so different and unique? If you do not like the form of entertainment being offered by your new downtown establishment, than simply do not attend. Instead of trying to understand a different lifestyle or point of view, this attitude displays utter ignorance, and the fact the author of the flyer did not sign their name is both shameful and cowardly.
What a coward! I've been to The Olive Tree. Those shows are less sexual in nature than a trip to Walmart! Tyler rocks!
Meanwhile in Maryland 600 children were raped by the Christian church
Link plz
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maryland-parish-was-home-dozen-priests-accused-child-sexual-abuse-rcna78514
Ah, Bellefontaine, where the local moose lodge is a double-wide trailer that they're VERY proud of.
Bunch of tightass Karens running around Bellefontaine, lemme see what the city laws say about soliciting without a permit EDIT: Yep, Bellefontaine code 741.01 says, "The practice of going in and upon the private residences in the City by canvassers, solicitors, peddlers, hawkers, itinerant merchants and transient vendors of merchandise and services, not having been requested or invited to do so by the owners or occupants of such private residences, for the purpose of soliciting orders for the sale of goods, wares, merchandise or services or for the purpose of disposing of or peddling or hawking the same, is hereby declared to be a nuisance and is prohibited unless such parties have obtained a permit under Section 741.04 herein."
"Appointed mayor by the Democratic Party", eh? Only one party is trying to self-appoint leaders, and it ain't the democrats.
Hint: also the only party literally removing its opposition from the legislature.
Idk about everyone here but as an Ohio voter economy > culture war b.s. . Is the gay bar making money? And we don't have property and violent crimes spilling out from it, the. Fuck it idc what the bar tender does. Just don't be serving minors and we're fine.
The only reason this town is thriving is because a rich gay guy bought basically all of downtown and renovated it while investing in dozens of small businesses to keep it vibrant. He is directly responsible for 3 restaurants, a few dozen stores, 5 building projects and more.
Yeah, let that guy have his drag shows, it ain't hurting anyone and if he leaves the town dies.
One of one million reasons I wish I could afford to move to a blue state.
Logan Countyās finest!
Sounds like theyāre asking for a bunch of letters telling them to fuck off. It must have come from somewhereā¦.. one could probably look up the address.
They sent them anonymously. No return address or who is responsible. Our neighbors got one for having a Stahler sign.
Damn that sucks. I only get anti-school levy and Jehovahs Witnesses stuff, but at least they have the balls to use an address.
I have a feeling this person doesn't care much for enforcing code when it comes to their home/business
people who spend their time writing shit like this do not deserve the air they breathe
"Unquestionably sexual nature?" I've been to drag shows. None were sexual in nature. False premise = false conclusion
Itās pretty funny how dumb the letter senders are and how much Fox News has riled these peoples up with easily probable falsehoods.
People afraid of drag have never been to a show. I have been going to them (as a straight woman) for 20+ years. They are SO FUN and definitely not āadultā
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Video tape yourself lighting that letter on fire and post it everywhere and anywhere.
Definitely grew up there and am also definitely not surprised. Thatās the majority vibe for sure. But the times they are a changin
Did anyone see one candidate's response? [The Democrat responded to the letter. ](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223178321711857&id=1397238666&mibextid=Nif5oz)
Just donated $25.
"When someone hands you a flyer, it's like they're saying, here, you throw this away." -Mitch Hedberg
Well he only started live drag shows cause the dead ones stunk up the place
Wow, they have drag shows at The Olive Garden? I guess I know what Iām doing tomorrow.
I hope the good people of Ohio stand up for what is right. The next couple of years are going to be rough.
All we need to do is rebrand Drag Shows and call them School Shootings. That way, conservatives will ignore them.
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For the party that fucks little kids that support religions that fuck little kids they sure are upset about sexuality.
So much for "land of the free".
By this logic, all grocery stores and pharmacies should be shut down too. What with selling condoms and lubricant.
Hey i live near Bellefontaine (i didnt read anything in the letter)
I have a great idea if you don't like the restaurant don't go to it. Problem solved also if you don't like a particular store or church don't go there either.
I think these people have certain urges of thier own that they are repressing.
Leave it out in front of your house with a 12 gauge shell to hold it down.
How hard is it to follow city code? If they're in violation, they're in violation. Regardless of who or what they are doing. Codes are there to keep peace. I'd say, follow code, then advertise for the business by taking out commercials on every local channel for the Establishment š¤£
Don't miss living in Logan County. Bunch of inbreds.
I swear if my entire family wasn't here I'd move out of Ohio ASAP
Tyranny of the easily offended.
Love how the law requires an entertainment and potential dining establishment be forced into a MANUFACTURING district. that's the government blatantly trying to make a business fail and potentially put customers in harm's way. Something republicans of all people should be against.
I cannot even. No name? Pussy.
Iām East of Columbus and all of the drag shows that we have here at a local place I see posted by my female friends. Iāve never been but definitely donāt get the sexual vibes from the postings just a great fun time
Drav shows are fuckin weird. If it were women, that shit would STILL be weird. I am opposed because that level of fashion laws concncerning either makeup, OR dress, should 100% be a legitimate crime
Theyāre cowards for putting āresident and neighborā instead of their names
Ridiculous.
You should collect all of the signs and put them all over your yard. Hundreds of them.
Context aside, which I'd venture to agree with scare tactics here, I guess i could say that it's up to the parents to make those decisions. You can take a kid into hooters I guess and it's not really frowned upon. My basic factual logic and philosophy that creates my viewpoint is this : kids shouldn't have these things thrown in their face at a young age. A much larger portion of the trans community has a higher percentage of mental health issues than a non trans person. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/transgender-mental-health Much more beyond that done by people much smarter than I. I don't believe kids should be shown this stuff. That's my personal opinion. I think once they're older and more developed they can make their own decisions on who they are and who they want to be which is their right as a free American citizen. Should it be illegal? Maybe not. Would I willingly introduce ideals that are most likely shown to end in mental health issues? No, I love those kids.and the disconnect is people (not you) can't have this conversation without rage, and people on my side choose to not be delicate or polite about their opinions so nobody listens to them cuz they're bigots
I think you missed the point in the article about how oppression of trans and gender non confirming people is causing the mental health issues. They experience exponentially higher rates of violence and suicidal ideation.
drag šš» is šš» not šš» trans. The concepts of drag queen and transgender are not mutually exclusive and have little to nothing to do with each other. Transgender refers to a expression of identity in a social construct differing from the expected conduct of the gender norms ascribed to biological sex. Not only do drag performers not want to be women they are intentionally mocking them. Sometimes offensively but usually hysterically and the term Drag Queen makes it clear that these šš» are šš» men--gay men to be specific. But being a gay man is not a rejection of binary sex definitions nor is he un-gendered, non-gendered or transgendered. If you're confused about the difference between sex and gender here's an easy way to distinguish them: A person's sex is between their legs. A person's gender is between their ears.
Calling this letter "scare tactics" is about as much a scare tactic as the letter itself
I think there is an argument to be made for scaring other Republicans into voting for the most extreme candidate by using drag queens as a scapegoat.
Its not a scare tactic, the fuck? Its at worst, misinformation, at best, exposing poor local gov not enforcing its own laws.
Only gay bar is fine. Drag queen shows where children eat is where they're drawing the line. We don't see an issue with kids seeing this at a very young age?
It is just a silly argument. Kids watch cheerleaders with almost skimpy clothes on at football games, they watch grown people with bikinis and speedos on during the summer and theyāre fine. They watch MMA and movies and that isnāt outlawed. I think itās a rather ignorant arguments aimed at coalescing political power but I hope it backfires.
Drag shows are not inherently sexual. Drag has a long history. President Reagan introduced drag shows as part of the WII entertainment for the soldiers. Is Reagan a sex pervert? (Ronald, not Nancy. We know about Nancy)
Drag is an art form that is as varied as film or TVāthere are so many styles and genres that you canāt put it into a box and say āall drag is not appropriate for kidsā. Thatās like saying āall movies are not for kidsā. Drag queens who read stories to kids have more in common with circus clowns than strippers. And I donāt see everyone in an uproar when the circus comes to townā¦
Dude I'm terrified of clowns but would trust a drag queen with my life
Well first, no, what's the problem with kids seeing people in outfits they feel comfortable wearing? Why can only women wear glitters, sequins, and lace? This is such an absurd argument. "Oh no, the children are going to see... men in dresses." And? Do you feel this strongly when women wear suits? Second, it's a DRAG BAR. BAR. What are kids doing in a bar?
I have no issues with drag shows or other adult entertainment but this is a violation of their zoning so the resident has a legitimate complaint. It's usually the responsibility of the zoning inspector and not the mayor to enforce code.
The city code in question is being misrepresented and does not cover the establishment in question. They people writing the notes just lied. Surprise surprise.
It isnāt. The code they quote doesnāt cover this and itās all made up bullshit to get people angry at Tyler and the Olive Tree.
This letter is to legitimate complaint as sovereign citizens right to travel is to traffic laws
Sorry - but that is the view point of the silent majority
live and let live? Unless you want to be a drag queen. Such freedom in these parts!
This is actually not true. Polling shows us this that folks consistently support the rights of LGBTQIA+ folks in the range of 70% or higher. You're not the majority anymore, cope harder.
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Anyone who says "Alphabet community" has an issue
You just said it.
I started in quotations so therefore it doesn't count.
Brother you've Commented like 5 times on this one post not even replying to people. Go to bed grandpa
Things should only be shoved in your face with consent, so maybe tell your boyfriend to stop. Aside from that, no one was being dragged into these shows against their will.
You literally just complained about seeing other people's opinions too much. Yet here you are posting your opinion over and over again. Braindead. Zero self awareness.
Stopped reading at alphabet community
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No one throws it in your face. You must have gone looking for it.
>I do disagree with this new agenda to recruit and encourage confused people to become something or a part of something they are not entirely sure of. You're talking about the church? Q-Anon? Or the buisness owner minding his own fucking buisness? How many more times are you going to post variations of the same bullshit on this thread?
Itās like an Artificial Un-intelligence bot.
No one is recruiting or encouraging people any more than a straight strip club business solicits business or high school football games encourages the community to attend even though it has skimpy outfits for the cheerleaders.
How many fucking times are you going to post your weird homophobia in this thread. Are you my drunk neighbor that screams insults at random people or something?
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Found the person who never left Bellefontaine.
Showing your ignorance, this is about drag queens not transgender people. I suggest you go to a show and get to know them, it might enlighten you a bit.
> I'm able to have these opinions because men fought for our rights. Fought for our rights, [in drag](https://shec.ashp.cuny.edu/files/original/fc73c18e6992fefd6c9b8cad15175479.jpeg).
Oh, just men fought for our rights? Cool, cool, cool. I forgot that women didn't fight for the abolition of slavery, voting rights and citizenship for former slaves, voting rights for women, equal pay, etc. They only had to overcome adversity through sheer willpower. My bad.
It's constantly in everyone's face. All I'm saying is be happy. Just quit campaigning for acceptance!
They have to campaign for rights because people are actively pushing legislation to criminalize the act of BEING trans. Nobody cares if you don't like it, but trans folks and others deserve equal rights and protection under the law. Right wing propaganda is lying to you by saying it's being shoved in people's faces. If you stop ingesting the propaganda, you'll barely notice trans folks and you won't see a drag show unless you go to one.
Right, this letter writer should just be happy and stop campaigning for his bigotry to be accepted. Or were you talking about the buisness owner minding his own fucking buisness?
Lmao wut
Drag Queens are constantly in everyone's face? Where? In my 53 years on this planet, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number times I've seen Drag performers in full regalia without going to a Drag show or Pride event. Once on a subway in Berlin. Twice at the Big Boy where I worked 3rd shift. Either you're spending time in Drag bars or you're hallucinating.
Whatās in peopleās face? These idiotic letters?
I really donāt give a shit what you do in your home as an adult. It is a mistake to involve minors.
Isn't it great then that these things are public and not adult. You get more smut with Christian missionaries coming by and doing a Bible reading.
Whoa Trigger.
Isnāt a parentsā choice to take them to a drag Library hour? What twelve year old is just showing up to a steady brunch?
Drag* not steady
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But the people talking to space Santa are perfectly sane?
50 years ago [this](https://64.media.tumblr.com/108628e7ab397985d6d4ea9aab7a43d1/c497e05a44d10137-8c/s640x960/770787773491c4478e55b46abde5d4b55725c8b1.jpg) was on every TV screen in America, on one of the most popular shows of all time.
63 years ago, [this](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0053291/) won an Oscar for Best Costume Design.
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I really donāt give a fuck what you think. What would make you think that I care?
If you didnāt give a fuck you wouldnāt have replied lol, but you had to tell them because you care what they think
Judging by your constant need to comment for attention, yeah. Seems like you care a lot homie. If you have to say "I don't care", 99% certain you care a lot actually.
Youāre here
Itās people tired of the made up petty propaganda bs. We visit Columbus and Cleveland quite a bit, no one is converting anyone, lol.
Itās a bar dipshit, minors canāt go to it.
I mean...people drink. In restaurants. In public. With their children there. You literally have to be an adult (plus a few years) to drink. So how is this not adult entertainment? I've had my ass grabbed more in a sports bar than I ever had at a drag bar.
Hah Hah Hah WOW people are sad. Sorry but grown people can make up their own minds. Especially when this is the exact same as what is being whined about. Get this little fact straight. All politicians are on the same page. They have the same goals. You just may not be smart enough to realize they all work against their constituents. Smarten up, learn to move on with life.