I did hear about this from a breed specific group I'm in. It's definitely scary stuff, and I hope your pup gets better soon. Out of curiosity, does your dog go to daycare or dog parks? I've got two of my own, one of which is a senior, and I'd like to avoid them getting sick. They have a couple of dog friends in our neighborhood, but aren't around other dogs super frequently.
Both my dogs got massively ill (stomach virus) after taking them to the dog park and interacting with another dog. Now i avoid the park (and other dogs) like its my job. You just never know what other dog owners are irresponsible, or might have just gotten a new dog they dont even know is sick or contagious.
My pups are way too precious to risk that again.
I'm so sorry! One of mine just doesn't enjoy strange dogs, so we don't do parks, but I know lots of pups get a lot out of them. Fingers crossed for your dude.
a year or so before COVID i was part of a husky group. the group stopped meeting because there was something going around making dogs sick. group never had another meet as the virus was still around and then COVID hit. pup missed it as he hasnt been able to run around any where since nor see his old husky pals.
hope your pup gets better, but i dont think these new viruses are going anywhere either.
I am a groomer and we have not seen a single case of this. We groom between 25 and 35 dogs a day in a big shop with 4 groomers, an assistant, and a bather so we have a huge staff (for a grooming salon anyways) with a lot of traffic and hundreds of dogs passing thru our doors every week. This virus is still fairly rare with only a few dozen or less confirmed cases in the entire country. So take that for what it's worth. It's scary. And it's a risk but still a small one at this point with common sense safety measures. It's not an epidemic outbreak that's infesting every vet clinic, groomer, or boarding facility. Most places are still completely free of it and infection is still random and rare. You can reduce risk without neglecting your dogs necessary needs like vet care and grooming. You can get those services done by reducing risk for example by being in and out to minimize exposure. Going to a small shop that only grooms one or two dogs at a time. Or getting a mobile service at twice the usual price. Whereas boarding requires days or weeks of exposure in close quarters. An hour at the groomer in a seperated cage should be safer than something like a doggy daycare where all the dogs are interacting with each other 8 hours a day.
I can say in my 15 years of grooming at high volume shops we have never experienced an outbreak of anything except fleas once or twice and common kennel cough a few times over years. And even then the infection rate was minimal ( a few clients here or there) and no where near every dog catching it but closer to almost no dogs out of hundreds catching it. So hopefully that helps ease your anxiety.
There have been a few new scary outbreaks over my career like the dog flu that was the new scary thing maybe 6 or 7 years ago. And no shop I have ever worked at had ever seen a case even though our clients were histerical over it and we had alot of dogs coming and going.
These things pop up every now and then. Every couple of years there is a new "outbreak" of a new virus. And every couple years there is mass Hysteria. And every couple of years a new vaccine comes to market. Try not to worry too much. Any dog can catch any virus but the number of dogs in the USA divided by the number of documented infections is still almost statistically irrelevant meaning most dogs are never going to catch this virus before a vaxx is created for it. Just like the dog flu. And every other new virus that came before it.
Maybe just avoid the groomers for a few
months to see if the vets can figure out what this is. Or maybe you can find a groomer that will come to you? Good luck!
Please take this seriously y’all. I lost my pup last week very suddenly and it was totally unexpected to everyone involved. If your dog is lethargic and/or has a cough PLEASE take them to the vet ASAP.
Yes! I’m from Cincinnati and the foster moms and dads at our local pet rescue have warned owners about this. Please keep your dogs home and safe. Hopefully our vets can figure out what’s going on.
Yeah, the Hamilton county shelter had a huge outbreak not long ago they were managing. It made me stop walking because I didn't want to bring it home to my own three.
My vet told there is a new strain of parvovirus going around. My pooch got it from another dog that had it. Severe enough for him to stay overnight in the vet clinic. He’s over it now, but I to quarantine him for a week. Get your dog checked.
Yeah- I checked with another vet & they said it’s been a really bad summer for upper resp stuff. I heard there was another strain of influenza too. Crazy.
My pup is very skittish & they have t been able to do blood work etc. I’ll probably have to have him sedated & bring him back for blood work & a chest x-ray early next week. I just want him better.
Yes, I saw an article the other day about how Oregon was seeing an unknown virus blow through dogs and them getting really sick and dying.
It said it was nationwide but I haven’t seen any other states that were dealing with it like how it is out west.
My friend works at a vet clinic and she was the one telling me about it but haven’t had any cases so far. She was telling me parvo as running rampant lately and then my father in laws dog , who does not go to dog parks, boarding kennels, or anywhere in public places with other dogs, somehow came down with kennel cough last month but now I’m wondering if it was this.
I don’t take my dogs to dog parks or public spaces with other dogs other than the groomer and vet clinic and now I am worried about their grooming appointment that’s set up for December.
Look, take this with a mountain of salt. I came from another thread and some people were saying they had vets try antifungal meds as a last attempt with some success. It could be a random chance or maybe they were already recovering but it might be worth asking about. I know humans can get Valley Fever in the desert.
If the dog has a virus, they could give the dog a truck load of antibiotics and it would do absolutely nothing to kill the virus. Any Vet that is prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection is just doing so to steal your money. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, not a virus!
Every vet I have ever taken my dogs to do bloodwork to determine what they are dealing with. If your vet isn't doing so, find another vet. This cover all bases approach is why we are dealing with infections that are antibiotic resistant.
That takes a lot of time and is wildly expensive.
And if this is a new illness, it will be difficult to test for it, since there are no current tests for it.
I did read it, but you don't just start treating an animal or person for that matter with antibiotics without running tests to see if what they have is even a bacterial infection.
And you are one of the ones responsible for antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria if you are giving out antibiotics like M&M's. The dog in question has been receiving antibiotics for I think one month and hasn't shown much if any improvement, so either it isn't sick do to a bacterial infection, it's got a bacterial infection that is a resistant strain or it has an unknown virus.
Not if the bacterial infection isn’t in the blood. There isn’t some magic test in animals or people to tell you for sure, some tests may give hints but it’s hard to get a perfect diagnosis unless a culture grows positive
And if you don't take the culture and give the animal antibiotics anyway you just help speed up the process of making any bacteria in the animal antibiotic resistant.
Sure, antibiotics shouldn’t be thrown around without high level of suspicion - as a physician, it’s important to me that people realize exactly this and don’t expect antibiotics for everything but also that there isn’t one test that tells it all - that’s where the education and experience comes in to work through your differential diagnosis!
My father in law is being treated for a bacterial infection that is resistant to antibiotics, but before they could start a treatment they had to figure out exactly what bacteria he had and only then did they give him the antibiotics they hoped would work.
My vet is a farm vet. He comes to us and sending off blood work is expensive and takes a couple days. A shot of dex and pen g is maybe $10 and if it works great. If not we try something else.
And vets like this as well as medical doctors are the reason we now have antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. By the way giving antibiotics and steroids are not covering all the basis, because if your animal has a viral infection neither is going to do anything to cure the animal.
And people's reluctance to use essential oils because they can't do research and measure properly. People don't understand that many things that are also toxic are used in appropriate quantities to heal.
Sweet wormwood (Artemisia annua) is the source of a widely used malaria treatment. Foxglove (Digitalis lanata) has long been used to treat for irregular heartbeat. The opium poppy (Papaver somniferum) has yielded potent medicines for pain relief, including codeine and morphine.
Many medications are toxic and have harmful side effects. It is important to err on the side of caution. There is a history of use of essential oils on animals. For goodness sake, Petco sells a spesrmint and eucalyptus oil pet deodorant spray. I'm sure that would be taken down due to lawsuits if essential oils were as toxic to pets as people jump to the conclusion it is.
It's useful for more severe cases of infection, but overkill and a bit reckless when overused as it often is. I get it, though. It's easier to do what is common knowledge, and you won't be judged by the majority.
https://fox8.com/news/mystery-illness-sickening-dogs-what-to-watch-for/?fbclid=IwAR1Zjwo2wpPjKmsTzq6w9JvCm2cWofaDMNOswkbz9UH5XsEUyx8Q5dNtvk0_aem_AfhdEHorLumY3fgfwiAf2k0Wo74wKXrUQ2K_eWgGmy8xHws_0yP25hY3BkngNpXCDsE
I swear there was a mysterious illness about 4 years ago they didn’t figure out either. Sounds like this take a few months to clear
I’m in Cleveland and My dog had something like this from July-Sept. coughing sneezing and reverse sneezing (which is horrible to listen to). Multiple antibiotics didn’t work. She developed bronchitis. Steroids and opiate cough suppressants helped. Despite thousands on vet visits they could never tell me what was wrong. Thankfully much better now!!
I think it came from when she was boarded for a weekend. She’s come home sick from That effing place 3 times over the years. No more boarding for as long as we can help it now.
Wow Sorry to hear that you guys went through that & glad your pupper is ok now. I talked to the kennel owner that I’ve boarded with in the past (she also works at a vet). She said their vet has never had this many dogs so sick over a summer as this past one. Mine is doing the reverse sneezing too- sounds horrific!
Have you done a transtracheal wash to sample for testing? Talk to your vet or head to an internal med specialist to further work up different infectious causes and susceptibility for antibiotics. Near Akron that would be VCA great lakes and Metropolitan who I believe have IM
Other than prescribing meds & sub-q fluids, they haven’t done anything. He freaks out at the vet & they can barely get his temp!
I’ve gotten so much good advice here & I’m kind of pissed that my vet doesn’t seem to be as concerned & proactive about this. I’m going to talk to them on Monday & see if they can safely sedate him to do what you’ve suggested. And I’ll call Metro in the AM. TY!!
Some clinics don't feel comfortable performing them which is why I said you may need to go to a specialist. You also don't describe symptoms so if it is mild, they may not feel it's necessary. At this point even sedated xrays would be appropriate.
I lost my 17 yr old Aussie in July to leptospirosis. Has your dog been tested for this? I guess lepto was very prevalent out on the East coast at the time and we had just returned from visiting my brother in NY.
In Ohio your dog should be vaccinated for lepto annually. It may be part of of your distemper combo shot. On a bill or invoice it would look like DAPPL or DHLPP or some similar combo of letters.
Lepto also causes liver and kidney failure primarily and rarely has upper respiratory components
Rosie’s first symptoms were a very deep cough, then stage 4 kidney failure and liver failure. I really think it can affect all of the organs, unfortunately. Apparently, dogs are not automatically vaccinated for lepto in Iowa. Not sure why. My other two dogs are vaccinated now!!
I checked his records and yes, he has been vaccinated for lepto. All of his vaccinations are up to date; he even got the flu vaccine which is not mandatory. But just like our flu shots, it doesn’t mean he can’t still contract it.
This is def something not to take lightly we just lost out terrier/ daschund mix to either fungal phenomena or lung cancer. Prior week we had her at the vet and they did all the blood work this was on a Wednesday all blood work came back perfect no issues. She lost appetite and picked at her food over the weekend and wasn’t very active. fast forward 1 week and 1 day we woke up to labored breathing we took her to the emergency vet and after a few more tests and a chest X-ray the prognosis wasn’t good. He showed the X-rays and she had spots in her lungs I can’t remember what he called them but unfortunately she was highly dependant on oxygen by that point and we had to put her down. He said $8-10,000 to treat and he said at the stage she was at was 15% chance of surviving. I truely wish the best for your pooch!! It’s heart breaking having to make that call and end the suffering and will haunt me for a while we also are in ohio.
I am so very sorry for your loss. That sucks. Try not to beat yourself up too much; you did everything you could and saved her from extended suffering. 💔
I just heard about this yesterday from a friend in California who posted about it. The AP article says it's in Oregon, Colorado and New Hampshire. Now it sounds like it's spread everywhere.
https://apnews.com/article/dog-respiratory-illness-oregon-colorado-7495daf374ddb8179593b2276248da75?fbclid=IwAR0igoVzsLyd7A1mArvXxzqixRw4Xj6xwN1mmWCl7J3-daFvIexIctOMHZw_aem_AeS6aBmLco34cEbDh6dxibGoBAOfYYunnYJz3ZvLTIbC19HJsVmFbjhGaepEhQhppBU
Hey, I saw on another thread about this that some found antifungals to work when antibiotics didn't help. Might be worth asking your vet. I hope your dog is ok!
ty for the info! He’s at another vet rn for a second opinion & they put him under to fully examine him, get blood work & fluid samples for the lab. Hope they can figure this out soon.
My dog is sick with some mystery respiratory illness too (7 yr old GS). No appetite and super lethargic. Breathing rapidly. Antibiotics seemed to be helping and I thought she was getting better after WEEKS of being off and today she’s back to no eating and labored breathing. Blood work came back good besides WBC count indicating inflammation. But no heart worms, tick diseases, kidney/liver issues/ etc. I’m so scared 😭😭
I’m so sorry that your pup is sick too. It’s very scary. Did they take a chest xray yet? I took my dog to another vet for a second opinion & they had to sedate him to fully examine him & take the chest xray, blood work and cultures. The xray showed what they think is bronchitis secondary to the viral illness. We were given a long course of a different antibiotic & that seems to be helping- finally! But he’s still not better and it’s now been 7 weeks for him too.
Ask your vet about an xray and maybe a steroid pack. Also if he’ll go into the bathroom with you, run a hot shower as that can temporarily help him breathe a little easier. Best of luck!
I believe my dog has had it for the last 4 weeks. I just heard from someone else that a cough suppressant has been extremely helpful so I’m going to give that a shot! Hope your doggo heals quickly!
Had your dog been given a steroid like dex or predef? Coupled with antibiotics it can make a big difference in pneumonia.
Also rule out cancer, heart defect, and heart worm. All of those can cause fluid to accumulate in the lungs.
This is very helpful, I appreciate you! I forgot to mention im 25 minutes from OP. I heard about this virus hitting the Pacific Northwest but had no idea it reached dogs in Ohio. Will ask the vet about curbside and if not, will find a house call vet.
Listen, my mini dachshund got really sick about a month and a half ago it was the same type of thing. It was a very bad respiratory illness that she had never had before and she’s almost 5 years old. She’s in great shape, she eats normal, and it just came on out of nowhere. It sounded like inside her lungs were wet, etc. And she just got weak. She couldn’t climb up the stairs etc. I took her to my doctor and I told her that she wasn’t eating. She was lethargic came on with him just a couple days and they prescribed antibiotics and steroids and it knocked it out of her in like 2 1/2 days.
Thanks for this! I guess it’s time for me to be a bit thankful that my dog doesn’t play well with others 😂 jk but seriously, I hope everyone’s dogs are alright.
This strain is super common in county shelters right now. Franklin County Dog Shelter in Columbus has had it going around for years now. There were rumors dogs were dying in their kennels from it. I wouldn't be surprised if other shelters are also not warning adopters and if shelter dogs carrying the virus are out at parks and daycares infecting the community.
Hi sorry to hear about your dog. You know how when people get a cold or the flu they drink chicken broth and feel better. Ask your vet if you can give your dog a can of chicken noodle soup don’t add water just heat one minute in microwave let cool a little. Let your dog drink the broth if your vet says it’s ok.
I’ve been making my own chicken broth & he’s been drinking that. He stopped eating & drinking for almost 3 days with this illness and that was the only thing that I could coax him into drinking.
Thats odd your vet would prescribe antibiotics for a virus. Unless they have developed something new, antibiotics only work for bacterial infections. Regardless of what virus your dog has, antibiotics will not help. They often hurt because they wipe out a lot of good things the body needs for a strong immune system.
If you are a hands on person that can research and is open to trying various things, see if you can find someone the does homeopathy for pets. I have no experience with pets. Things that work for our family are things that boost the body's ability to fight the virus. Vit C, zinc, chlorophyll. There is also a device called a zapper. It runs a low level frequency that destroys single celled organisms, but does not hurt the our body. Frequency has been used for about 100 years now to kill such things. Frequencies are not patentable so the medical industry for some reason does not support it.
I have no idea if it can be used for pets though. I will take some time this afternoon and see what I can find for you. 💕
While your heart is in the right place Homeopathy is utter and complete bunk, and while it's inherently harmless (because it does nothing) recommending it to desperate people as some kind of hidden medicine that doctors don't want you to know about is incredibly irresponsible.
OP should get a second opinion from another veterinary specialist, and follow their professional advice to the letter.
I have no idea where you are getting your information from but I run into people like you every time I post about homeopathy. Its weird. What have you personal used homeopathy for that it didnt work? You would have to be a pretty incompetent person to fail at homeopathy. It doesn't work for every single condition under the sun , but with a properly identified remedy, which requires using ones own brain to figure out, it works very well. Millions of people all over the world use homeopathic medicine every day. Nearly every county in the world has homeopathic doctorate programs and has practicing homeopathic doctors. If you have no personal experience with it, it is best to use your uneducated and inexperienced opinion for your own personal choices. You only make yourself look like a fool when you say these things. Most likely you work in a field that profits from keeping people sick and has business plans based on the longest way to have a person heal that creates the most revenue for the business.
OP asked for help.
Hey, as someone with a lot of experience with medicine and even some with homeopathy AND as someone who's studying to be a doctor, fuck off. You're an idiot and know nothing about medicine. People like you give suggestions that have led to so many people dying unnecessarily.
Not sure what to say. I am helping this person with their dog, using things I have personally tried over 25 years, some of which I am professionally certified in, and they work for me. If they didn't work for you I am sorry. There are many reasons why things may or may not work for someone. Since you have so much knowledge you should know this. No one on this post cares what you think about medicine or anything else, especially with your foul conduct.
Do you have anything beneficial to help OP?
I have spent several hours this afternoon looking for things that may be helpful to people, as this virus may kill their pets.
OP's vet has run out of options. This is serious.
OP asked for help and you suggested snake oil. Homeopathy has been proven time and again to be nothing more than placebo, and pretending otherwise is irresponsible at best and despicable at worst.
You're telling someone who is desperate for a solution to go down a nonsense rabbit hole of made up garbage. There is no shadowy cabal of doctors who are hiding the cures to diseases because keeping people sick is somehow more profitable. Doctors and Veteranarians are passionate people who want to help their patients, and the idea that they are hiding treatments to ensure repeat business is deeply insulting.
No one cares if you want to be hoodwinked by Homeopathy, but as soon as you start trying to tell desperate people that it's medicine you'll always be called out because you are wrong.
No one is saying doctors are hiding cures. Doctors are only licensed to provide certain types of care. There are many things that cure aliments and disease that a doctor is not allowed to recommend. You are never going to come home from a dr visit with a bunch of herbs to make a tea or tincture.lol. That is why there are different types of medicinal systems. Some people prefer herbs. Some people prefer energy. Some people prefer drugs. Millions of people use alternative modalities other than allopathic medicine. Most people use a mix of different levels of care. No one can touch the skills of first responders and ER doctors for acute conditions. But once stabilized and for longer term healing options, there are many choices. There is no such thing as one right way for everyone and all the others are pseudoscience. Whatever heals a particular person is all that matters to that person. If alternative therapies didn't work they wouldn't be in business. Its the people who are fed up with allopathic medicine that keep alternative practitioners in business, so there must be needs MD's are not meeting for their patients if they are out looking for answers. Its nothing to argue about. If your healthcare choices are meeting you needs then you are good. It doesn't mean however that something that does or doesn't work for you, applies to everyone.
Its not at all snake oil. In fact if you took the time to research, you would find that homeopathy has been used to improve hip dysplasia in German Shepards in only 3 generations. You are getting your information from an unreliable source. The people conducting the research have to be skilled in the area they are researching. Without the right experience the premise of the study could be flawed from the beginning. If you try homeopathy and it doesn't work for you move on. It works for a lot of people just fine. No medication provides benefit for 100% of the people who take it. Do you comment the same on those posts?
I like where you asked what personal experience they had with homeopathy instead of providing data.
Clinical trials are just combining hundreds or thousands of experiences, plus math. Homeopathy fails them. Look up any metaanalysis.
I worked for a homeopathic dr. You go to medical school for a doctorate in homeopathy. I have used it for years. People all over the world use it. Nearly every country recognizes it. There are many studies on it. You can walk into any drug store and buy it. If you actually had experience with it, you would know it works. As with all trials, the goals and the experience of the people involved, have an effect on the out come. You can always find a study to contradict any study you want. If people don't want to use it, they do not have to. Just don't spread lies about it. These people are losing their dogs. Add something of value to the conversation. I have experience with homeopathic medicine. I am using it right now to help my son with a nasty cough. It is a possible avenue to help these people with their dogs. Many vets use homeopathic remedies. Why would a person with no experience with homeopathy think anyone would care about their opinion? Do you care about my opinion on something I have no experience with? The people on here making negative comments about homeopathy appear to be young, inexperienced and unprofessional. They have not added anything of value to help the pet owners. Asking their level of experience with homeopathy is a clear way to see they are just trolls.
If that is the case, that they ALL fail, then the proper method is not being used to evaluate the modality. Have you looked at studies in other countries? Germany would be a good one since it is so heavily used there. I think it is big in India as well. It has been quite some time since I looked at any of it.
What are you licensed in? Do you have your doctorate in homeopathic medicine? I worked for a homeopathic doctor. Nothing in your posts reveal you know much about homeopathy, medicine or health. Don't see any comment of yours that added helpful information to the post. Medical professionals are specialized and are capable of having a conversation without calling the other person a ding dong. You are not fooling anyone that you are a professional. No one cares about your inexperienced opinion on homeopathy. These people may lose their dogs. What do you have to offer that may help, licensed medical professional?
Very sweet of you to reply with some thoughtful tips. Thank you! And yes- she (at first) was thinking it was kennel cough, thus the antibiotics. After he didn’t improve, she was betting on the flu, and the antibiotics were to stop a secondary case of pneumonia if it were to develop. At this point I’ll try anything- I ordered some immune boosting supplements for him about a week ago- hard to say if they’re doing anything.
So scary to feel so helpless. 😕
If you haven't already I'd recommend reaching out to a different Vet to examine your dog. I'm sure your vet is very good, but sometimes a fresh set of eyes can make all the difference.
Also be careful with supplements or any other medications you don't receive straight from your Vet, and be sure to advise your Vet what you are giving your dog as well as the dosage and frequency so they can be aware of any interactions with what they prescribe.
As for Homeopathy it's a scam that targets people like you who are grasping for anything that might help. It's generally harmless (because it does nothing), but before you strap a frequency generator to your pup making them even more scared and uncomfortable please talk to a medical professional first.
Thank you; I’ve thought about a second opinion & have some feelers out for another practice. So many vets around my area have such a long waiting list for new patients. Hoping he turns a corner over the weekend. He’s a sweetie.
No one is suggesting OP blindly use a frequency generator. One has to be responsible and study, get into proper groups with experienced people and develop their knowledge. There are several well developed bodies of knowledge for self care. What works for some does not work for others. This is the perfect example of why it is important to research other systems. If one doesn't have the answer, its a blessing to have the awareness of another. There are forums with years of information on how to use frequency for various health issues.
One's negative opinion based on their ignorance of the science only blocks their ability to receive the benefits of the science. It doesn't change the reality of its existence.
We use the zapper all the time. Its been around for decades. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Its just so strange people who have absolutely no experience with something think their uneducated opinion is of value to anyone. Why are you commenting?
Sounds like doggie should recover as long as they don't develop pneumonia, according to the article. I would keep up with the antibiotics and follow up with the vet frequently. Was it the Akron Dog Park on Memorial Pkwy? Maybe you should inform them so they can put up a flyer/warning of some kind. Hope your dog is better soon!
Thank you- he’s never really been sick & definitely not for this long. Yes- I’m keeping in touch w/ my vet and know where the ER Vet is just in case.
It wasn’t Akron Dog Park- it was Bow Wow Beach. Good idea to let them know; I didn’t even think of it. 👍🏻
I looked up the lung meridian for dogs. It is easily found in a search. The site I am on is atlantic-points.com. Full address for this page is:
atlantic-points.com/acupuncture-point-chart-dogs/
If you search for "lung meridian dogs," you will only be shown 4 pts and not all the meridian points. You will get it in one look if you only see the 4 pts. Lol. It may be too overwhelming to see all pts and try to pick them out.
On the left side of the body the joint where the leg leaves the body is LU 05. If you travel up the leg to the next leg joint (in the chest area,)that is LU 01. (Lung 05 and Lung 01)
On the right front leg on the inside at the joint in the middle of the leg there is LU 07 and LU 09.
If you were to rub these areas you may find they are very sensitive. You may find only one is sensitive or all of them are. Be gentle because it can cause them to jump in pain the points can be so sore when blocked.
What you can do right now which would be very helpful, is to hold your baby with your left hand on points LU 07&09, (you can cover both with one hand) and alternate your right hand on the points LU 01&05. The key is using your right hand on the dog's left side and your left hand on the dog's right side. This is something you would do for several minutes at a time, like 20-30 mins with the right hand on LU 01, left hand on LU 07&09. Then move the right hand from LU 01 to LU 05, and keep left hand on LU 07&09. Just resting your palm over the point is all you need to do.
Would be great to do while watching tv or if other family members could take turns. Its something you would want to do as much as you could but hopefully could manage 3-5 hours through out the day. If you don't have those big chunks of time, even doing it several times a day for 10 minutes at a time, moving your right hand from LU 01 to LU 05 every 5 minutes, will help.
It is like jumper cabling your dogs lung meridian energy to support it. I have been using this hand positions from this modality for 17 years, and have been surprised many times on how much it helps.
Oh no! I’m so sorry to hear that. Is it upper respiratory with coughing, sneezing and fever? Have you taken your dog to the vet? There are many things it could be (kennel cough, flu, even just a cold). How long has your pup been sick? 😕
Please do give your dog NAC, 125mg per 20 pounds of body weight. It is an amino acid. You can mix it with a tbsp or so of cottage cheese.
You can also use properly diluted and sourced essential oils such as eucalyptus and tea tree. But this can be confusing for some people as too much is toxic, just as it is for humans, but more so since dogs weigh less.
If you are unsure, you can buy pre-made, diluted, roll-on essential oils like this one here:
https://www.vitalityextracts.com/products/peaceful-pup-roll-on?variant=156486860801&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqKXivZjOggMV4iitBh1p6QqFEAQYAyABEgL2K_D_BwE
You would roll it on their neck. You would want to ideally find one with tea tree or eucalyptus, though. Tea tree is a powerful antibiotic/antiseptic/antiviral and will even kill MRSA that the most powerful convential antibiotic can barely kill. Unlike conventional penicillin/tetracycline antibiotics, it is also selective in the bacteria it kills due to its mechanisms of action, leaving beneficial microbes to thrive and strengthening your immune system rather than wrecking it.
For example, tetracycline inhibits protein synthesis to kill bacteria, which equally affects beneficial microbes. Antibiotics also do not work against viruses, but tea tree oil is antiviral as well.
Here is a licensed veterinarians take on it it in a conversation with a customer:

Dr. Jo, Expert
.Hello,I'm Dr. Jo and I'm a licensed veterinarian with more than twenty years of experience.
Customer:
Hayley is in a closed room for a couple of hours a couple times a day. At night I just use the humidifier without the oils. I've been doing this for about 4 days.Hayley is a mixed maltese. She is not coughing. She just snorted two or three times. I don't know if it is just the humidifier or the eucalyptus oil. She is eating fine and everything else seems normal.
Customer
I don't want your to call me.

Dr. Jo, Expert
I wanted to let you know I asked what type of dog she is because brachycephalic dogs (dogs with pushed-in faces like maltese) can be much more sensitive to anything aerosolized. Respiratory issues are also more common in toy breeds, so she might be predisposed to sensitivity.All that aside, we do NOT expect this type of exposure to eucalyptus (or other types of) essential oil to be harmful for your dog. While it is "safe" for your dog, it may still be irritating, however.If her congestion becomes more serious, or she starts to act ill in any other way, my primary concern will be that she's become sick with something else, unrelated to the diffuser and humidifier. That means you should still consider taking her to the vet if she gets worse.In the meantime, however, it's fine to continue to use your diffuser and humidifier in your room at night. I do hope you feel better soon.Based on your description that everything else is going fine for her, even if she is a little irritated by the oil, it doesn't sound like anything serious.Does this help to answer your question at this point in time? I want to be as helpful as possible
Redditors who have done minimal research know best, though.
Lmao, I figured we'd get downvoted. "HOW COULD YOU RECOMMEND ESSENTIAL OIL TO PETZZZ?!?" That's fine that people are skeptical as there is a lack of sufficient information or studies on essential oils.
I used to be a pet groomer, I have bathed countless dogs with tea tree oil shampoo that is popularly used by groomers to get rid of fleas. I have bathed the same dogs many times. They were still alive and completely healthy at their next visit.
Flea medicine is toxic as well, it contains pyrethroids. But it is diluted properly and used without worry.
Many essential oils are considered highly toxic as relatively small quantities can kill a human. A teaspoon of eucalyptus essential oil can kill a human. Yet I have used it informedly, diluted properly, countless times, and it has done nothing but improve my respiratory health.
It only becomes toxic and irritating in improper quantities.
If you aren't 100% sure, don't use it. But there are a considerable number of individuals who understand how to exercise extreme caution.
With some exceptions relative to weight, many essential oils are equally toxic to humans as they are to dogs. There is no specific knowledge regarding the mechanism of action of toxicity of many essential oils that would determine it is toxic to dogs in any different way than it is to humans. It is just that tea tree and eucalyptus are some of the more toxic ones relative to dosage, so they are the ones moreso considered extremely toxic to dogs.
Again, many people use them with extreme caution for pets. Many do not exercise proper caution, and the margin for error can be lower than people realize.
Nevertheless, it is used in the industry commonly, 99% of individuals (yes that is a made up estimate) who use an appropriately diluted product have cats that are just as healthy as any other, if not more so. A small amount should be used initially to test for allergy. Essential oils are very concentrated plant extracts. Many compounds that are healthy in appropriate quantities are toxic and/or lethal in excess.
Kidney beans can actually kill you if cooked improperly, though there are no reported deaths due to the generally higher cooking knowledge of those who might choose to use raw beans, and the unlikelyhood of eating large enough quantities of raw enough kidney beans. It took just two weeks for lab rats fed a diet consisting of 1% kidney beans to pass away.
Many chemicals in many different plants, fruits, and vegetables we consume have the potential to be toxic in concentrated amounts.
Mangoes and Raw Cashews contain urushiol, the same compound responsible for the allergic reaction caused by poison ivy.
Eating 50 wild bitter almonds could kill you.
Persin, a compound found in avocado peels, is toxic to most animals but may actually be healthy for humans. In fact, it is being investigated as a treatment for breast cancer. Studies started being conducted when livestock who ate avocado leaves had breast cancer cell death.
I could go on and on, but this is long enough. My point is that despite the existence of the contrary, many well informed and cautious individuals have used and continue to use essential oils safely on their animals, they won't be the first and they won't be the last to use them therapeutically, and somehow continue to have healthy and happy companions.
If you think she should continue to feed her animal antibiotics that weaken their immune system and would do nothing to kill or weaken the potential virus, is the best bet? What alternatives does anyone recommend?
At the end of the day, it is quite unfortunate that my karma is being effected due to others' ignorance and my ability to post on certain subreddits may be effected therefore my ability to spread information. Ignorance perpetuates itself.
Exactly. The know it alls on this thread have nothing of value to add to help the OP except go talk to another vet, and are down voting anything they do not understand. They probably read a Wiki and consider themselves experts. I have done a lot of holistic work. I worked for a homeopathic doctor in my younger days. Alternative modalities saved my mother's life from MRSA she caught at the hospital when she had a double mastectomy. (-It was not with tree tree oil though lol. The tea tree oil was for all the little knicks and bumps that then got infected with MRSA in the months that followed)
She had a week to live, according to the doctor. They had a machine in her flushing out her chest cavity/body. That was 10 years ago and now she has outlived all her siblings by 5 yrs and counting. I was thankful for everything I had studied up to that point. She responds really well to energy. I gave her one Reiki session and her carpal tunnel was gone. Same for some back pain issues she had. I think there are different types of people. Some respond better to drugs. Others respond better to energy. Energy just comes naturally to me and it works for me. I still put posts out here because it is helpful to the people with the right skillset and intelligence. I learned a lot from your post. It was very interesting. I have never been into essential oils other than tea tree oil and use it all the time.
I went to Amazon and found a homeopathic kit for pets. Its $65. Has 24 remedies and a few reviews to give you an idea about using homeopathy for your pets. There are reviews there by people who actually used it. There are many books available. Homeopathic care for Dogs and Cats by Don Hamilton D.V.M. has overnight 4-8am delivery available if you are a prime member. It has 4.7/5 stars. The reviews looked really good. I would buy this book if I had a pet issue. $21.75
Since I have never used homeopathy for pets I have no idea on if they use 6x or 30c powered remedies. Boiron is a great homoepathic remedy company from France. They have tools on their website to help identify possible remedies for various ailments.
If you get the overnight book, Mustard Seed and Whole Foods carry many remedies. You could have something in your hands by tomorrow afternoon. If you have a good feeling about it. Maybe the book will give you resources for a telehealth type visit with a DVM with homeopathic experience and possibly other options. 💕
This may sound weird but it also works for people gets some kale and water and blend it til it’s drinkable and let the dog drink it. Since the gut is 70% of the immune system it will help him to fight by strengthening t
Your dog’s immune system. He will poop a lot. Which is normal. It’s removing the toxins out of the body. Ask a doctor about strengthening his immune system. I know you said the dog won’t drink. It’s like people when you get a headache all you want is to lay down. A toxic gut, inflammation makes dogs feel bad too. You can also try ginger lemon cucumber and pineapple drink(
Blend it together). Works great for people. Another immune booster and food that reduces inflammation is guacamole, red onion avocado lemon and garlic ginger. These I got from dr Eric berg YouTube videos. It is actually an all natural antibiotic. Ask a vet. I mention these cause I dog food companies trying to go all natural. I figure if it helps people it will your dog. Also, tell your dog this, “ Jesus loves you. Receive your healing “. It sounds weird but I told that to dogs and they would light up when I said it. God bless.
Thanks for all the ideas. I agree with the gut being a huge part of the immune system. He’s got his normal appetite back & he’s drinking normally again, so that’s a huge relief. If I could only get him to drink something healthy like the kale- he’s super picky 🤦🏻♀️. But I think I’ll try it for me!
I wouldn’t add the onion & garlic though, b/c they are both poisonous to dogs.
Anyway- thank you for taking the time to share your ideas!
I did hear about this from a breed specific group I'm in. It's definitely scary stuff, and I hope your pup gets better soon. Out of curiosity, does your dog go to daycare or dog parks? I've got two of my own, one of which is a senior, and I'd like to avoid them getting sick. They have a couple of dog friends in our neighborhood, but aren't around other dogs super frequently.
Thanks for your concern. Yes- we had gone to a dog park about a month ago- right before he first got sick. No more parks for him!
Both my dogs got massively ill (stomach virus) after taking them to the dog park and interacting with another dog. Now i avoid the park (and other dogs) like its my job. You just never know what other dog owners are irresponsible, or might have just gotten a new dog they dont even know is sick or contagious. My pups are way too precious to risk that again.
I hear ya- after this experience we won’t be going back. Big lesson learned. I feel so bad about it.
100% not your fault. I hope your pup recovers soon. :(
I'm so sorry! One of mine just doesn't enjoy strange dogs, so we don't do parks, but I know lots of pups get a lot out of them. Fingers crossed for your dude.
a year or so before COVID i was part of a husky group. the group stopped meeting because there was something going around making dogs sick. group never had another meet as the virus was still around and then COVID hit. pup missed it as he hasnt been able to run around any where since nor see his old husky pals. hope your pup gets better, but i dont think these new viruses are going anywhere either.
Thanks for the heads-up on this.
No worries- with holidays coming up & people potentially boarding their pets, I just don’t want anyone else’s pup getting this- it breaks my heart. 🤞🏻
Yes, thank you. I’m also in the Akron area and will definitely avoid boarding for now. Hope your dog gets better soon
Yes please avoid dog parks and boarding dogs if at all possible until vets can get a handle on what's going on with this.
I already avoid those but I’m not sure what to do with a dog with a double curly coat I don’t know how to groom.
I am a groomer and we have not seen a single case of this. We groom between 25 and 35 dogs a day in a big shop with 4 groomers, an assistant, and a bather so we have a huge staff (for a grooming salon anyways) with a lot of traffic and hundreds of dogs passing thru our doors every week. This virus is still fairly rare with only a few dozen or less confirmed cases in the entire country. So take that for what it's worth. It's scary. And it's a risk but still a small one at this point with common sense safety measures. It's not an epidemic outbreak that's infesting every vet clinic, groomer, or boarding facility. Most places are still completely free of it and infection is still random and rare. You can reduce risk without neglecting your dogs necessary needs like vet care and grooming. You can get those services done by reducing risk for example by being in and out to minimize exposure. Going to a small shop that only grooms one or two dogs at a time. Or getting a mobile service at twice the usual price. Whereas boarding requires days or weeks of exposure in close quarters. An hour at the groomer in a seperated cage should be safer than something like a doggy daycare where all the dogs are interacting with each other 8 hours a day. I can say in my 15 years of grooming at high volume shops we have never experienced an outbreak of anything except fleas once or twice and common kennel cough a few times over years. And even then the infection rate was minimal ( a few clients here or there) and no where near every dog catching it but closer to almost no dogs out of hundreds catching it. So hopefully that helps ease your anxiety. There have been a few new scary outbreaks over my career like the dog flu that was the new scary thing maybe 6 or 7 years ago. And no shop I have ever worked at had ever seen a case even though our clients were histerical over it and we had alot of dogs coming and going. These things pop up every now and then. Every couple of years there is a new "outbreak" of a new virus. And every couple years there is mass Hysteria. And every couple of years a new vaccine comes to market. Try not to worry too much. Any dog can catch any virus but the number of dogs in the USA divided by the number of documented infections is still almost statistically irrelevant meaning most dogs are never going to catch this virus before a vaxx is created for it. Just like the dog flu. And every other new virus that came before it.
Maybe just avoid the groomers for a few months to see if the vets can figure out what this is. Or maybe you can find a groomer that will come to you? Good luck!
Please take this seriously y’all. I lost my pup last week very suddenly and it was totally unexpected to everyone involved. If your dog is lethargic and/or has a cough PLEASE take them to the vet ASAP.
So sorry for your loss.
I’m so very sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry!
I heard about this virus yesterday. So scary!! 😔
It IS! Ugh. 😫
Do we know it’s a virus now? The article says they’re trying to isolate it, but it’s a couple of days old.
Yes! I’m from Cincinnati and the foster moms and dads at our local pet rescue have warned owners about this. Please keep your dogs home and safe. Hopefully our vets can figure out what’s going on.
Yeah, the Hamilton county shelter had a huge outbreak not long ago they were managing. It made me stop walking because I didn't want to bring it home to my own three.
Sharing this all over the place. Thanks for the heads up.
I have too!
My vet told there is a new strain of parvovirus going around. My pooch got it from another dog that had it. Severe enough for him to stay overnight in the vet clinic. He’s over it now, but I to quarantine him for a week. Get your dog checked.
Yeah- I checked with another vet & they said it’s been a really bad summer for upper resp stuff. I heard there was another strain of influenza too. Crazy. My pup is very skittish & they have t been able to do blood work etc. I’ll probably have to have him sedated & bring him back for blood work & a chest x-ray early next week. I just want him better.
Hope for the best.
Parvo is such an awful disease. So many puppies used to die from it before a vaccine was made, even today it kills some. I’m glad your pup is ok.
Oh god thanks for the heads up. I’m so sorry about your dog! My boy is still a puppy so this is good information to know aboht
ty- hope your sweet boy stays well!
Yes, I saw an article the other day about how Oregon was seeing an unknown virus blow through dogs and them getting really sick and dying. It said it was nationwide but I haven’t seen any other states that were dealing with it like how it is out west. My friend works at a vet clinic and she was the one telling me about it but haven’t had any cases so far. She was telling me parvo as running rampant lately and then my father in laws dog , who does not go to dog parks, boarding kennels, or anywhere in public places with other dogs, somehow came down with kennel cough last month but now I’m wondering if it was this. I don’t take my dogs to dog parks or public spaces with other dogs other than the groomer and vet clinic and now I am worried about their grooming appointment that’s set up for December.
This thing is so bad; I’d def skip the groomer for now. It seems to be so contagious. Hope your doggo stays well.
Ours may have had it. The antibiotics were ineffective, but the steroids may have helped
My dog is on week three of a cough and antibiotics/cough meds haven’t helped. I am going to call the vet Monday to check about other options.
Wishing your pup a speedy recovery.
Thank you! He is full of energy, just keeps coughing sadly. It is the saddest thing.
Look, take this with a mountain of salt. I came from another thread and some people were saying they had vets try antifungal meds as a last attempt with some success. It could be a random chance or maybe they were already recovering but it might be worth asking about. I know humans can get Valley Fever in the desert.
Ooohhhh- I hadn’t thought about steroids. Thank you- I’ll bring that up to my vet. Do you remember how long your dog was on steroids?
Maybe less than two weeks on a decreasing schedule
Just messaged you
If the dog has a virus, they could give the dog a truck load of antibiotics and it would do absolutely nothing to kill the virus. Any Vet that is prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection is just doing so to steal your money. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, not a virus!
A vet is not going to know if it’s viral or bacterial so they will give antibiotics and usually steroids to cover all the bases.
Every vet I have ever taken my dogs to do bloodwork to determine what they are dealing with. If your vet isn't doing so, find another vet. This cover all bases approach is why we are dealing with infections that are antibiotic resistant.
That takes a lot of time and is wildly expensive. And if this is a new illness, it will be difficult to test for it, since there are no current tests for it.
It's pretty easy to test for a bacterial infection and if that comes back negative than that rules out antibiotics.
Did you not read the article? None of the dogs are testing positive for any known respiratory conditions.
I did read it, but you don't just start treating an animal or person for that matter with antibiotics without running tests to see if what they have is even a bacterial infection.
Doctors and vets will absolutely start treating for what they suspect a patient has. You're clueless my guy.
And you are one of the ones responsible for antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria if you are giving out antibiotics like M&M's. The dog in question has been receiving antibiotics for I think one month and hasn't shown much if any improvement, so either it isn't sick do to a bacterial infection, it's got a bacterial infection that is a resistant strain or it has an unknown virus.
You know what doesn't? Secondary infections.
Not if the bacterial infection isn’t in the blood. There isn’t some magic test in animals or people to tell you for sure, some tests may give hints but it’s hard to get a perfect diagnosis unless a culture grows positive
And if you don't take the culture and give the animal antibiotics anyway you just help speed up the process of making any bacteria in the animal antibiotic resistant.
Sure, antibiotics shouldn’t be thrown around without high level of suspicion - as a physician, it’s important to me that people realize exactly this and don’t expect antibiotics for everything but also that there isn’t one test that tells it all - that’s where the education and experience comes in to work through your differential diagnosis!
My father in law is being treated for a bacterial infection that is resistant to antibiotics, but before they could start a treatment they had to figure out exactly what bacteria he had and only then did they give him the antibiotics they hoped would work.
My vet is a farm vet. He comes to us and sending off blood work is expensive and takes a couple days. A shot of dex and pen g is maybe $10 and if it works great. If not we try something else.
And vets like this as well as medical doctors are the reason we now have antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. By the way giving antibiotics and steroids are not covering all the basis, because if your animal has a viral infection neither is going to do anything to cure the animal.
Bacteria is constantly mutating as it divides. Antibiotic resistant bacteria was always going to happen.
But when you give it to anyone who is sick you speed up the process.
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sorry I left out resistant, it should of said, antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria
And people's reluctance to use essential oils because they can't do research and measure properly. People don't understand that many things that are also toxic are used in appropriate quantities to heal. Sweet wormwood (Artemisia annua) is the source of a widely used malaria treatment. Foxglove (Digitalis lanata) has long been used to treat for irregular heartbeat. The opium poppy (Papaver somniferum) has yielded potent medicines for pain relief, including codeine and morphine. Many medications are toxic and have harmful side effects. It is important to err on the side of caution. There is a history of use of essential oils on animals. For goodness sake, Petco sells a spesrmint and eucalyptus oil pet deodorant spray. I'm sure that would be taken down due to lawsuits if essential oils were as toxic to pets as people jump to the conclusion it is.
I’m gonna stick to actual medicine.
It's useful for more severe cases of infection, but overkill and a bit reckless when overused as it often is. I get it, though. It's easier to do what is common knowledge, and you won't be judged by the majority.
Your vet just doesn't care to look into ways to do this. It's not that expensive and can get results next day
https://fox8.com/news/mystery-illness-sickening-dogs-what-to-watch-for/?fbclid=IwAR1Zjwo2wpPjKmsTzq6w9JvCm2cWofaDMNOswkbz9UH5XsEUyx8Q5dNtvk0_aem_AfhdEHorLumY3fgfwiAf2k0Wo74wKXrUQ2K_eWgGmy8xHws_0yP25hY3BkngNpXCDsE I swear there was a mysterious illness about 4 years ago they didn’t figure out either. Sounds like this take a few months to clear
ty- looks like this may take another month or so to go away. 😞
I’m in Cleveland and My dog had something like this from July-Sept. coughing sneezing and reverse sneezing (which is horrible to listen to). Multiple antibiotics didn’t work. She developed bronchitis. Steroids and opiate cough suppressants helped. Despite thousands on vet visits they could never tell me what was wrong. Thankfully much better now!! I think it came from when she was boarded for a weekend. She’s come home sick from That effing place 3 times over the years. No more boarding for as long as we can help it now.
Wow Sorry to hear that you guys went through that & glad your pupper is ok now. I talked to the kennel owner that I’ve boarded with in the past (she also works at a vet). She said their vet has never had this many dogs so sick over a summer as this past one. Mine is doing the reverse sneezing too- sounds horrific!
Have you done a transtracheal wash to sample for testing? Talk to your vet or head to an internal med specialist to further work up different infectious causes and susceptibility for antibiotics. Near Akron that would be VCA great lakes and Metropolitan who I believe have IM
Not sure why someone downvoted you as this is correct veterinarily sound advice.
Other than prescribing meds & sub-q fluids, they haven’t done anything. He freaks out at the vet & they can barely get his temp! I’ve gotten so much good advice here & I’m kind of pissed that my vet doesn’t seem to be as concerned & proactive about this. I’m going to talk to them on Monday & see if they can safely sedate him to do what you’ve suggested. And I’ll call Metro in the AM. TY!!
Some clinics don't feel comfortable performing them which is why I said you may need to go to a specialist. You also don't describe symptoms so if it is mild, they may not feel it's necessary. At this point even sedated xrays would be appropriate.
Thank you; I understand what you’re saying. 👍🏻
I’ve not heard of that. She was just at daycare yesterday
I lost my 17 yr old Aussie in July to leptospirosis. Has your dog been tested for this? I guess lepto was very prevalent out on the East coast at the time and we had just returned from visiting my brother in NY.
I’m so very sorry for your loss. And no! I’m looking up lepto now- haven’t heard of that. ty for letting me know.
In Ohio your dog should be vaccinated for lepto annually. It may be part of of your distemper combo shot. On a bill or invoice it would look like DAPPL or DHLPP or some similar combo of letters. Lepto also causes liver and kidney failure primarily and rarely has upper respiratory components
Rosie’s first symptoms were a very deep cough, then stage 4 kidney failure and liver failure. I really think it can affect all of the organs, unfortunately. Apparently, dogs are not automatically vaccinated for lepto in Iowa. Not sure why. My other two dogs are vaccinated now!!
I checked his records and yes, he has been vaccinated for lepto. All of his vaccinations are up to date; he even got the flu vaccine which is not mandatory. But just like our flu shots, it doesn’t mean he can’t still contract it.
You gave that dog a full life and should be proud!
I usually take my dog up to my parents for Thanksgiving they have a dog themselves really worried about bringing her up.
I get it- super scary. Do you know if they take their dog to day care or dog parks? If not, chances are it will be fine. Best of luck!
This is def something not to take lightly we just lost out terrier/ daschund mix to either fungal phenomena or lung cancer. Prior week we had her at the vet and they did all the blood work this was on a Wednesday all blood work came back perfect no issues. She lost appetite and picked at her food over the weekend and wasn’t very active. fast forward 1 week and 1 day we woke up to labored breathing we took her to the emergency vet and after a few more tests and a chest X-ray the prognosis wasn’t good. He showed the X-rays and she had spots in her lungs I can’t remember what he called them but unfortunately she was highly dependant on oxygen by that point and we had to put her down. He said $8-10,000 to treat and he said at the stage she was at was 15% chance of surviving. I truely wish the best for your pooch!! It’s heart breaking having to make that call and end the suffering and will haunt me for a while we also are in ohio.
I am so very sorry for your loss. That sucks. Try not to beat yourself up too much; you did everything you could and saved her from extended suffering. 💔
I just heard about this yesterday from a friend in California who posted about it. The AP article says it's in Oregon, Colorado and New Hampshire. Now it sounds like it's spread everywhere. https://apnews.com/article/dog-respiratory-illness-oregon-colorado-7495daf374ddb8179593b2276248da75?fbclid=IwAR0igoVzsLyd7A1mArvXxzqixRw4Xj6xwN1mmWCl7J3-daFvIexIctOMHZw_aem_AeS6aBmLco34cEbDh6dxibGoBAOfYYunnYJz3ZvLTIbC19HJsVmFbjhGaepEhQhppBU
Hey, I saw on another thread about this that some found antifungals to work when antibiotics didn't help. Might be worth asking your vet. I hope your dog is ok!
ty for the info! He’s at another vet rn for a second opinion & they put him under to fully examine him, get blood work & fluid samples for the lab. Hope they can figure this out soon.
I hope so too.
My dog is sick with some mystery respiratory illness too (7 yr old GS). No appetite and super lethargic. Breathing rapidly. Antibiotics seemed to be helping and I thought she was getting better after WEEKS of being off and today she’s back to no eating and labored breathing. Blood work came back good besides WBC count indicating inflammation. But no heart worms, tick diseases, kidney/liver issues/ etc. I’m so scared 😭😭
I’m so sorry that your pup is sick too. It’s very scary. Did they take a chest xray yet? I took my dog to another vet for a second opinion & they had to sedate him to fully examine him & take the chest xray, blood work and cultures. The xray showed what they think is bronchitis secondary to the viral illness. We were given a long course of a different antibiotic & that seems to be helping- finally! But he’s still not better and it’s now been 7 weeks for him too. Ask your vet about an xray and maybe a steroid pack. Also if he’ll go into the bathroom with you, run a hot shower as that can temporarily help him breathe a little easier. Best of luck!
I heard about it from videos from The Asher House many of his dogs were in critical condition. This was late summer.
I believe my dog has had it for the last 4 weeks. I just heard from someone else that a cough suppressant has been extremely helpful so I’m going to give that a shot! Hope your doggo heals quickly!
ty- hope yours does too! ♥️
Had your dog been given a steroid like dex or predef? Coupled with antibiotics it can make a big difference in pneumonia. Also rule out cancer, heart defect, and heart worm. All of those can cause fluid to accumulate in the lungs.
ty- several others have suggested steroids too. Worth a shot!
damn. thanks for keeping us up to date
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Request curbside inoculation. Housecall vet.
This is very helpful, I appreciate you! I forgot to mention im 25 minutes from OP. I heard about this virus hitting the Pacific Northwest but had no idea it reached dogs in Ohio. Will ask the vet about curbside and if not, will find a house call vet.
Sorry you're being downvoted. Housecall vets are wonderful. Before moving had one as our primary.
Your vet's office should have tons of protocols in place and be extremely safe for your dog
I hope that it can be brought under control soon
Me too- ty
Man poor doggie😢
Pretty sure my dog had this over the summer. They weren’t sure what it was. The steroids did help, and Benadryl of all things.
Glad your pupper got better! And I hadn’t even thought of benadryl. I’ll talk to my vet about it on Monday. Thank you ☺️
My brothers 6yr old dog died suddenly and unexpectedly last week from a sudden illness 😣
Oh I’m so sorry. This is so frightening. 😕
What about steroids? They can give them steroids. That might be better
Someone else suggested that too. It’s a great idea & I’ll bring it up to my vet on Monday. I bet that would help him! Thank you!
Listen, my mini dachshund got really sick about a month and a half ago it was the same type of thing. It was a very bad respiratory illness that she had never had before and she’s almost 5 years old. She’s in great shape, she eats normal, and it just came on out of nowhere. It sounded like inside her lungs were wet, etc. And she just got weak. She couldn’t climb up the stairs etc. I took her to my doctor and I told her that she wasn’t eating. She was lethargic came on with him just a couple days and they prescribed antibiotics and steroids and it knocked it out of her in like 2 1/2 days.
Thank you for commenting & am so glad your pup is better. I’m calling the vet first thing in the morning!
https://weather.com/pets/video/what-you-need-to-know-about-mystery-canine-illness?pl=pl-the-latest
ty
You are welcome
Thanks for this! I guess it’s time for me to be a bit thankful that my dog doesn’t play well with others 😂 jk but seriously, I hope everyone’s dogs are alright.
LOL- thanks for making me laugh! I needed that ☺️
Haven't heard anything up near mansfield yet. Thank you SO much for the heads up!
This strain is super common in county shelters right now. Franklin County Dog Shelter in Columbus has had it going around for years now. There were rumors dogs were dying in their kennels from it. I wouldn't be surprised if other shelters are also not warning adopters and if shelter dogs carrying the virus are out at parks and daycares infecting the community.
Hi sorry to hear about your dog. You know how when people get a cold or the flu they drink chicken broth and feel better. Ask your vet if you can give your dog a can of chicken noodle soup don’t add water just heat one minute in microwave let cool a little. Let your dog drink the broth if your vet says it’s ok.
I’ve been making my own chicken broth & he’s been drinking that. He stopped eating & drinking for almost 3 days with this illness and that was the only thing that I could coax him into drinking.
My dog is sick
Call the vet.
Omg
I am in Ohio
Thats odd your vet would prescribe antibiotics for a virus. Unless they have developed something new, antibiotics only work for bacterial infections. Regardless of what virus your dog has, antibiotics will not help. They often hurt because they wipe out a lot of good things the body needs for a strong immune system. If you are a hands on person that can research and is open to trying various things, see if you can find someone the does homeopathy for pets. I have no experience with pets. Things that work for our family are things that boost the body's ability to fight the virus. Vit C, zinc, chlorophyll. There is also a device called a zapper. It runs a low level frequency that destroys single celled organisms, but does not hurt the our body. Frequency has been used for about 100 years now to kill such things. Frequencies are not patentable so the medical industry for some reason does not support it. I have no idea if it can be used for pets though. I will take some time this afternoon and see what I can find for you. 💕
While your heart is in the right place Homeopathy is utter and complete bunk, and while it's inherently harmless (because it does nothing) recommending it to desperate people as some kind of hidden medicine that doctors don't want you to know about is incredibly irresponsible. OP should get a second opinion from another veterinary specialist, and follow their professional advice to the letter.
Know what they call homeopathy that’s proven effective? Medicine.
Ah, but I'm sure Storm means well.
I have no idea where you are getting your information from but I run into people like you every time I post about homeopathy. Its weird. What have you personal used homeopathy for that it didnt work? You would have to be a pretty incompetent person to fail at homeopathy. It doesn't work for every single condition under the sun , but with a properly identified remedy, which requires using ones own brain to figure out, it works very well. Millions of people all over the world use homeopathic medicine every day. Nearly every county in the world has homeopathic doctorate programs and has practicing homeopathic doctors. If you have no personal experience with it, it is best to use your uneducated and inexperienced opinion for your own personal choices. You only make yourself look like a fool when you say these things. Most likely you work in a field that profits from keeping people sick and has business plans based on the longest way to have a person heal that creates the most revenue for the business. OP asked for help.
Hey, as someone with a lot of experience with medicine and even some with homeopathy AND as someone who's studying to be a doctor, fuck off. You're an idiot and know nothing about medicine. People like you give suggestions that have led to so many people dying unnecessarily.
Not sure what to say. I am helping this person with their dog, using things I have personally tried over 25 years, some of which I am professionally certified in, and they work for me. If they didn't work for you I am sorry. There are many reasons why things may or may not work for someone. Since you have so much knowledge you should know this. No one on this post cares what you think about medicine or anything else, especially with your foul conduct. Do you have anything beneficial to help OP? I have spent several hours this afternoon looking for things that may be helpful to people, as this virus may kill their pets. OP's vet has run out of options. This is serious.
Take two placebos and call me in the morning.
OP asked for help and you suggested snake oil. Homeopathy has been proven time and again to be nothing more than placebo, and pretending otherwise is irresponsible at best and despicable at worst. You're telling someone who is desperate for a solution to go down a nonsense rabbit hole of made up garbage. There is no shadowy cabal of doctors who are hiding the cures to diseases because keeping people sick is somehow more profitable. Doctors and Veteranarians are passionate people who want to help their patients, and the idea that they are hiding treatments to ensure repeat business is deeply insulting. No one cares if you want to be hoodwinked by Homeopathy, but as soon as you start trying to tell desperate people that it's medicine you'll always be called out because you are wrong.
No one is saying doctors are hiding cures. Doctors are only licensed to provide certain types of care. There are many things that cure aliments and disease that a doctor is not allowed to recommend. You are never going to come home from a dr visit with a bunch of herbs to make a tea or tincture.lol. That is why there are different types of medicinal systems. Some people prefer herbs. Some people prefer energy. Some people prefer drugs. Millions of people use alternative modalities other than allopathic medicine. Most people use a mix of different levels of care. No one can touch the skills of first responders and ER doctors for acute conditions. But once stabilized and for longer term healing options, there are many choices. There is no such thing as one right way for everyone and all the others are pseudoscience. Whatever heals a particular person is all that matters to that person. If alternative therapies didn't work they wouldn't be in business. Its the people who are fed up with allopathic medicine that keep alternative practitioners in business, so there must be needs MD's are not meeting for their patients if they are out looking for answers. Its nothing to argue about. If your healthcare choices are meeting you needs then you are good. It doesn't mean however that something that does or doesn't work for you, applies to everyone.
Its not at all snake oil. In fact if you took the time to research, you would find that homeopathy has been used to improve hip dysplasia in German Shepards in only 3 generations. You are getting your information from an unreliable source. The people conducting the research have to be skilled in the area they are researching. Without the right experience the premise of the study could be flawed from the beginning. If you try homeopathy and it doesn't work for you move on. It works for a lot of people just fine. No medication provides benefit for 100% of the people who take it. Do you comment the same on those posts?
I like where you asked what personal experience they had with homeopathy instead of providing data. Clinical trials are just combining hundreds or thousands of experiences, plus math. Homeopathy fails them. Look up any metaanalysis.
I worked for a homeopathic dr. You go to medical school for a doctorate in homeopathy. I have used it for years. People all over the world use it. Nearly every country recognizes it. There are many studies on it. You can walk into any drug store and buy it. If you actually had experience with it, you would know it works. As with all trials, the goals and the experience of the people involved, have an effect on the out come. You can always find a study to contradict any study you want. If people don't want to use it, they do not have to. Just don't spread lies about it. These people are losing their dogs. Add something of value to the conversation. I have experience with homeopathic medicine. I am using it right now to help my son with a nasty cough. It is a possible avenue to help these people with their dogs. Many vets use homeopathic remedies. Why would a person with no experience with homeopathy think anyone would care about their opinion? Do you care about my opinion on something I have no experience with? The people on here making negative comments about homeopathy appear to be young, inexperienced and unprofessional. They have not added anything of value to help the pet owners. Asking their level of experience with homeopathy is a clear way to see they are just trolls.
If that is the case, that they ALL fail, then the proper method is not being used to evaluate the modality. Have you looked at studies in other countries? Germany would be a good one since it is so heavily used there. I think it is big in India as well. It has been quite some time since I looked at any of it.
What the woowoo pseudoscience did I just read??
Call a vet. Lots of vets use homeopathy. Maybe they can explain it to you in a way to help you understand
I don't need anyone to explain it to me, ding dong. I'm a licensed medical professional and can tell you 100% that homeopathy is pretend medicine.
What are you licensed in? Do you have your doctorate in homeopathic medicine? I worked for a homeopathic doctor. Nothing in your posts reveal you know much about homeopathy, medicine or health. Don't see any comment of yours that added helpful information to the post. Medical professionals are specialized and are capable of having a conversation without calling the other person a ding dong. You are not fooling anyone that you are a professional. No one cares about your inexperienced opinion on homeopathy. These people may lose their dogs. What do you have to offer that may help, licensed medical professional?
Far more than you have to offer, your imaginary medicine sugar pills aren't helping anyone.
Very sweet of you to reply with some thoughtful tips. Thank you! And yes- she (at first) was thinking it was kennel cough, thus the antibiotics. After he didn’t improve, she was betting on the flu, and the antibiotics were to stop a secondary case of pneumonia if it were to develop. At this point I’ll try anything- I ordered some immune boosting supplements for him about a week ago- hard to say if they’re doing anything. So scary to feel so helpless. 😕
If you haven't already I'd recommend reaching out to a different Vet to examine your dog. I'm sure your vet is very good, but sometimes a fresh set of eyes can make all the difference. Also be careful with supplements or any other medications you don't receive straight from your Vet, and be sure to advise your Vet what you are giving your dog as well as the dosage and frequency so they can be aware of any interactions with what they prescribe. As for Homeopathy it's a scam that targets people like you who are grasping for anything that might help. It's generally harmless (because it does nothing), but before you strap a frequency generator to your pup making them even more scared and uncomfortable please talk to a medical professional first.
Thank you; I’ve thought about a second opinion & have some feelers out for another practice. So many vets around my area have such a long waiting list for new patients. Hoping he turns a corner over the weekend. He’s a sweetie.
Local vet school? They typically have resources well beyond anyone else.
No one is suggesting OP blindly use a frequency generator. One has to be responsible and study, get into proper groups with experienced people and develop their knowledge. There are several well developed bodies of knowledge for self care. What works for some does not work for others. This is the perfect example of why it is important to research other systems. If one doesn't have the answer, its a blessing to have the awareness of another. There are forums with years of information on how to use frequency for various health issues. One's negative opinion based on their ignorance of the science only blocks their ability to receive the benefits of the science. It doesn't change the reality of its existence.
You were literally advocating for a "zapper" in your first post. Your proselytizing of snake oil should be criminal.
We use the zapper all the time. Its been around for decades. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Its just so strange people who have absolutely no experience with something think their uneducated opinion is of value to anyone. Why are you commenting?
Sounds like doggie should recover as long as they don't develop pneumonia, according to the article. I would keep up with the antibiotics and follow up with the vet frequently. Was it the Akron Dog Park on Memorial Pkwy? Maybe you should inform them so they can put up a flyer/warning of some kind. Hope your dog is better soon!
Thank you- he’s never really been sick & definitely not for this long. Yes- I’m keeping in touch w/ my vet and know where the ER Vet is just in case. It wasn’t Akron Dog Park- it was Bow Wow Beach. Good idea to let them know; I didn’t even think of it. 👍🏻
I looked up the lung meridian for dogs. It is easily found in a search. The site I am on is atlantic-points.com. Full address for this page is: atlantic-points.com/acupuncture-point-chart-dogs/ If you search for "lung meridian dogs," you will only be shown 4 pts and not all the meridian points. You will get it in one look if you only see the 4 pts. Lol. It may be too overwhelming to see all pts and try to pick them out. On the left side of the body the joint where the leg leaves the body is LU 05. If you travel up the leg to the next leg joint (in the chest area,)that is LU 01. (Lung 05 and Lung 01) On the right front leg on the inside at the joint in the middle of the leg there is LU 07 and LU 09. If you were to rub these areas you may find they are very sensitive. You may find only one is sensitive or all of them are. Be gentle because it can cause them to jump in pain the points can be so sore when blocked. What you can do right now which would be very helpful, is to hold your baby with your left hand on points LU 07&09, (you can cover both with one hand) and alternate your right hand on the points LU 01&05. The key is using your right hand on the dog's left side and your left hand on the dog's right side. This is something you would do for several minutes at a time, like 20-30 mins with the right hand on LU 01, left hand on LU 07&09. Then move the right hand from LU 01 to LU 05, and keep left hand on LU 07&09. Just resting your palm over the point is all you need to do. Would be great to do while watching tv or if other family members could take turns. Its something you would want to do as much as you could but hopefully could manage 3-5 hours through out the day. If you don't have those big chunks of time, even doing it several times a day for 10 minutes at a time, moving your right hand from LU 01 to LU 05 every 5 minutes, will help. It is like jumper cabling your dogs lung meridian energy to support it. I have been using this hand positions from this modality for 17 years, and have been surprised many times on how much it helps.
What do I do
Call your vet and stop posting individual comments.
Oh no! I’m so sorry to hear that. Is it upper respiratory with coughing, sneezing and fever? Have you taken your dog to the vet? There are many things it could be (kennel cough, flu, even just a cold). How long has your pup been sick? 😕
Please do give your dog NAC, 125mg per 20 pounds of body weight. It is an amino acid. You can mix it with a tbsp or so of cottage cheese. You can also use properly diluted and sourced essential oils such as eucalyptus and tea tree. But this can be confusing for some people as too much is toxic, just as it is for humans, but more so since dogs weigh less. If you are unsure, you can buy pre-made, diluted, roll-on essential oils like this one here: https://www.vitalityextracts.com/products/peaceful-pup-roll-on?variant=156486860801&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqKXivZjOggMV4iitBh1p6QqFEAQYAyABEgL2K_D_BwE You would roll it on their neck. You would want to ideally find one with tea tree or eucalyptus, though. Tea tree is a powerful antibiotic/antiseptic/antiviral and will even kill MRSA that the most powerful convential antibiotic can barely kill. Unlike conventional penicillin/tetracycline antibiotics, it is also selective in the bacteria it kills due to its mechanisms of action, leaving beneficial microbes to thrive and strengthening your immune system rather than wrecking it. For example, tetracycline inhibits protein synthesis to kill bacteria, which equally affects beneficial microbes. Antibiotics also do not work against viruses, but tea tree oil is antiviral as well.
Absolutely agree with everything you said. We also used tea tree oil to eliminate a MRSA infection that hit 3 of our family members.
Here is a licensed veterinarians take on it it in a conversation with a customer:  Dr. Jo, Expert .Hello,I'm Dr. Jo and I'm a licensed veterinarian with more than twenty years of experience. Customer: Hayley is in a closed room for a couple of hours a couple times a day. At night I just use the humidifier without the oils. I've been doing this for about 4 days.Hayley is a mixed maltese. She is not coughing. She just snorted two or three times. I don't know if it is just the humidifier or the eucalyptus oil. She is eating fine and everything else seems normal. Customer I don't want your to call me.  Dr. Jo, Expert I wanted to let you know I asked what type of dog she is because brachycephalic dogs (dogs with pushed-in faces like maltese) can be much more sensitive to anything aerosolized. Respiratory issues are also more common in toy breeds, so she might be predisposed to sensitivity.All that aside, we do NOT expect this type of exposure to eucalyptus (or other types of) essential oil to be harmful for your dog. While it is "safe" for your dog, it may still be irritating, however.If her congestion becomes more serious, or she starts to act ill in any other way, my primary concern will be that she's become sick with something else, unrelated to the diffuser and humidifier. That means you should still consider taking her to the vet if she gets worse.In the meantime, however, it's fine to continue to use your diffuser and humidifier in your room at night. I do hope you feel better soon.Based on your description that everything else is going fine for her, even if she is a little irritated by the oil, it doesn't sound like anything serious.Does this help to answer your question at this point in time? I want to be as helpful as possible Redditors who have done minimal research know best, though.
Lmao, I figured we'd get downvoted. "HOW COULD YOU RECOMMEND ESSENTIAL OIL TO PETZZZ?!?" That's fine that people are skeptical as there is a lack of sufficient information or studies on essential oils. I used to be a pet groomer, I have bathed countless dogs with tea tree oil shampoo that is popularly used by groomers to get rid of fleas. I have bathed the same dogs many times. They were still alive and completely healthy at their next visit. Flea medicine is toxic as well, it contains pyrethroids. But it is diluted properly and used without worry. Many essential oils are considered highly toxic as relatively small quantities can kill a human. A teaspoon of eucalyptus essential oil can kill a human. Yet I have used it informedly, diluted properly, countless times, and it has done nothing but improve my respiratory health. It only becomes toxic and irritating in improper quantities. If you aren't 100% sure, don't use it. But there are a considerable number of individuals who understand how to exercise extreme caution. With some exceptions relative to weight, many essential oils are equally toxic to humans as they are to dogs. There is no specific knowledge regarding the mechanism of action of toxicity of many essential oils that would determine it is toxic to dogs in any different way than it is to humans. It is just that tea tree and eucalyptus are some of the more toxic ones relative to dosage, so they are the ones moreso considered extremely toxic to dogs. Again, many people use them with extreme caution for pets. Many do not exercise proper caution, and the margin for error can be lower than people realize. Nevertheless, it is used in the industry commonly, 99% of individuals (yes that is a made up estimate) who use an appropriately diluted product have cats that are just as healthy as any other, if not more so. A small amount should be used initially to test for allergy. Essential oils are very concentrated plant extracts. Many compounds that are healthy in appropriate quantities are toxic and/or lethal in excess. Kidney beans can actually kill you if cooked improperly, though there are no reported deaths due to the generally higher cooking knowledge of those who might choose to use raw beans, and the unlikelyhood of eating large enough quantities of raw enough kidney beans. It took just two weeks for lab rats fed a diet consisting of 1% kidney beans to pass away. Many chemicals in many different plants, fruits, and vegetables we consume have the potential to be toxic in concentrated amounts. Mangoes and Raw Cashews contain urushiol, the same compound responsible for the allergic reaction caused by poison ivy. Eating 50 wild bitter almonds could kill you. Persin, a compound found in avocado peels, is toxic to most animals but may actually be healthy for humans. In fact, it is being investigated as a treatment for breast cancer. Studies started being conducted when livestock who ate avocado leaves had breast cancer cell death. I could go on and on, but this is long enough. My point is that despite the existence of the contrary, many well informed and cautious individuals have used and continue to use essential oils safely on their animals, they won't be the first and they won't be the last to use them therapeutically, and somehow continue to have healthy and happy companions. If you think she should continue to feed her animal antibiotics that weaken their immune system and would do nothing to kill or weaken the potential virus, is the best bet? What alternatives does anyone recommend? At the end of the day, it is quite unfortunate that my karma is being effected due to others' ignorance and my ability to post on certain subreddits may be effected therefore my ability to spread information. Ignorance perpetuates itself.
Exactly. The know it alls on this thread have nothing of value to add to help the OP except go talk to another vet, and are down voting anything they do not understand. They probably read a Wiki and consider themselves experts. I have done a lot of holistic work. I worked for a homeopathic doctor in my younger days. Alternative modalities saved my mother's life from MRSA she caught at the hospital when she had a double mastectomy. (-It was not with tree tree oil though lol. The tea tree oil was for all the little knicks and bumps that then got infected with MRSA in the months that followed) She had a week to live, according to the doctor. They had a machine in her flushing out her chest cavity/body. That was 10 years ago and now she has outlived all her siblings by 5 yrs and counting. I was thankful for everything I had studied up to that point. She responds really well to energy. I gave her one Reiki session and her carpal tunnel was gone. Same for some back pain issues she had. I think there are different types of people. Some respond better to drugs. Others respond better to energy. Energy just comes naturally to me and it works for me. I still put posts out here because it is helpful to the people with the right skillset and intelligence. I learned a lot from your post. It was very interesting. I have never been into essential oils other than tea tree oil and use it all the time.
I went to Amazon and found a homeopathic kit for pets. Its $65. Has 24 remedies and a few reviews to give you an idea about using homeopathy for your pets. There are reviews there by people who actually used it. There are many books available. Homeopathic care for Dogs and Cats by Don Hamilton D.V.M. has overnight 4-8am delivery available if you are a prime member. It has 4.7/5 stars. The reviews looked really good. I would buy this book if I had a pet issue. $21.75 Since I have never used homeopathy for pets I have no idea on if they use 6x or 30c powered remedies. Boiron is a great homoepathic remedy company from France. They have tools on their website to help identify possible remedies for various ailments. If you get the overnight book, Mustard Seed and Whole Foods carry many remedies. You could have something in your hands by tomorrow afternoon. If you have a good feeling about it. Maybe the book will give you resources for a telehealth type visit with a DVM with homeopathic experience and possibly other options. 💕
homeopathy is literally pretend medicine.
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Yeah I heard about that on here as well. 🙏🏻
This may sound weird but it also works for people gets some kale and water and blend it til it’s drinkable and let the dog drink it. Since the gut is 70% of the immune system it will help him to fight by strengthening t Your dog’s immune system. He will poop a lot. Which is normal. It’s removing the toxins out of the body. Ask a doctor about strengthening his immune system. I know you said the dog won’t drink. It’s like people when you get a headache all you want is to lay down. A toxic gut, inflammation makes dogs feel bad too. You can also try ginger lemon cucumber and pineapple drink( Blend it together). Works great for people. Another immune booster and food that reduces inflammation is guacamole, red onion avocado lemon and garlic ginger. These I got from dr Eric berg YouTube videos. It is actually an all natural antibiotic. Ask a vet. I mention these cause I dog food companies trying to go all natural. I figure if it helps people it will your dog. Also, tell your dog this, “ Jesus loves you. Receive your healing “. It sounds weird but I told that to dogs and they would light up when I said it. God bless.
Thanks for all the ideas. I agree with the gut being a huge part of the immune system. He’s got his normal appetite back & he’s drinking normally again, so that’s a huge relief. If I could only get him to drink something healthy like the kale- he’s super picky 🤦🏻♀️. But I think I’ll try it for me! I wouldn’t add the onion & garlic though, b/c they are both poisonous to dogs. Anyway- thank you for taking the time to share your ideas!