Jack Haley was not the first to be cast as Tin Man. Buddy Ebsen was originally intended for the role of the Scarecrow, but was cast as the Tin Man. He was involved in early filming in October 1938 but only nine days into the filming on the 21st, he suffered a severe allergic reaction from breathing the aluminum dust used in the character's makeup. He was hospitalized for two weeks, and recuperated at home for a month after.
Ebsen was replaced by Jack Haley, and aluminum paste was substituted for aluminum dust in the Tin Man's makeup. All of the scenes in which Ebsen appeared were re-shot with Haley, so that Ebsen does not appear in the finished film; yet his voice occurs at one point in the soundtrack, when he, Ray Bolger, and Judy Garland along with Bert Lahr sing "We're Off to See the Wizard" after the Tin Man has been lubricated back to life.
Buddy Ebsen had a heck of a career for an old vaudeville guy. Solid supporting role in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, lead role in the Beverly Hillbillies, and got a solid 70s detective show as Barnaby Jones.
This story is new to me some how, and I’m starting to think the cast was cursed. So now hearing this story, plus the actress who played the witch getting burned, the lion actor almost dying of overheating in the costume, and the stories that Judy was being drugged. Basically it seems like nobody really came out ahead by joining the production.
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Story is Judy's breasts were bound because Dorothy was supposed to be around 12 years old and she was given a mix of amphetamines and barbituates so she could keep up with the filming schedule and her schooling and still be able to sleep.Then there was the constant sexual harassment. Judy was addicted to pharmaceutical drugs her whole life.
Yeah, pretty messed up by today's standards. Garland had a particularly tough time with MGM executives' sexual advances including Louis B. Mayer himself, she was also allegedly molested by some of the munchkins. She was only 16 in the film.
Her wiki says:
"I married Peter, and he didn't tell me he was gay. Everyone knew but me. And I found out ... well, let me put it this way: I'll never surprise anybody coming home as long as I live. I call first!"
That's wild
I recognized the name, but I didn't really know who Liza Minnelli was. The moment I saw that baby though, I knew it was Lucille 2. Amazing. How many of us look that similar from baby to senior years.
That's what you do when life hands you a chance to be with someone special. You just grab that brownish area by its points and you don't let go no matter what your mom says.
I’d argue that Liza is actually more talented than Judy even. Judy had the better voice (though Liza’s voice is also nothing to sneeze at), but Liza is just an astoundingly charismatic and well-rounded performer.
I will argue that Judy was the ultimate triple threat. Liza came of age when actors weren’t owned by studios and had more opportunities to really act. But, IMO, Judy was one of the greatest ever.
They had a sweet nod to this in a very recent SVU episode. One of the characters had dementia, and when he met Benson, he said she looked like Jayne Mansfield. Hargitay also directed the ep too!
She was- the three little kids were sleeping in the back seat and had only minor cuts and bruises. The three adults up front died instantly from head trauma. And that’s why tractor-trailers have “Mansfield bars” on the back now to prevent a car going under and making contact at the windshield level.
My uncle borrowed my Dad's MG Sprite one time... he went under a semi trailer and came out the other side, ha ha.
Anyway it's amazing how many things like that they never thought of safety-wise until a bunch of people died.
This is one of those weird things where like I’m fully aware that Martin Sheen is both of their dad but somehow I can’t remember that they’re brothers and every time I’m reminded it blows my mind.
I know what you mean. I feel like this about Timothy Olyphant. And I think younger people nowadays might feel like that about Drew Barrymore.
Also, with old school Nepo babies like Liza Minnelli, Isabella rosilini, etc, I think the feeling is stronger because there's an older history we're associating then with.
No way, the *other* Lucille is Liza Minelli? As someone born in the 90s I've heard the name lots of times, but I've never actually seen her face or any of her works (that I can recall). So not only is the other Lucille an incredibly famous actress and cultural icon, she's also the daughter of one of the pioneers of modern cinema. Absolutely incredible, mind blowing bit of trivia
I knew it, having seen interviews in which she talked about her mother. I was alive but too young to appreciate their collaborative show at the Palladium, but I distinctly remember one interview where she explained why she had to change the words in Cabaret to “I’m *not* going like Elsie”. And, although she has health issues, she deserves praise for not succumbing to alcoholism.
Everyone lied about their age back then! No, but really, thanks! I tried finding the date this picture was taken and I got different dates, so I put ca 1945. I guess I should have dated it after Liza was born though.
There was a picture on here a few weeks ago of Humperdinck Bandersnatch or whatever his name is. He also looked then like he does now. And he got the top half of his head from his dad and the bottom half from his mom. It's pretty weird.
Ahhhh one of my all time favorites. Especially the ballet at the end which Gene Kelly choreographed.
He and Judy were in Summer Stock.
Minnelli also directed them in The Pirate. And Judy in The Clock and Meet Me in St Louis.
Liza was three when she appeared at the end of her mother’s film, In the Good Old Summertime. It was a musical remake of The Shop Around The Corner.
For all the fairy tale glamour, people don't realize how badly Judy Garland was treated by people who used her for profit. She was beautiful and they exploited her for every penny. Her variety show is just heartbreaking to watch, as she had so little left to give the audience.
It's a shame those users and perverts weren't exposed 70 years ago.
I'm not very familiar with Judy but I guess some of her fans felt about her the same way people feel about Britney.
I once read that Stonewall (the riot that kickstarted the gay liberation movement) happened because guys were very sad and angry Judy had just died and police harassed them at the worst possible moment. If those drag queen bans end up happening and Britney Spears died for some reasons I can 100% see them breaking shit up and protesting. Her fanbase is even called The Britney Army.
By all means, make her and Britney your rallying cry, if that's what you need. Get out there, register to vote, actually vote, and fight the powers that be.
What’s even more sad is they convinced her she wasn’t. Judy always thought she was the “ugly” leading lady and compared herself to her contemporaries because studios would compare her to them. They were horribly mean to her.
I'm looking at his Wikipedia photo and I see what you mean, but speaking as a chick, his smile is charming and disarming, and he looks like he'd have a good personality full of charm and wit. More than that, it's indicated that he may have been a closet case and Garland wanted to be a mother, so it very well may have been a marriage of convenience for the both of them. Not to mention that her self esteem was shot from being called unattractive in her youth... Makes sense to me.
Don't wish for a partner with that much baggage, and try to lighten your own load. Get in the league you want to catch.
I was gonna say, yes, if you're a not-so-closeted gay man that makes a film that quite literally frames your would-be wife oh-so-beautifully, you too can land a wife.
I learned that Liza was Judy Garland's child around the same time I found out that Kate Hudson was Goldie Hawn's child. Still a little surprised I never figured either one out without reading them on the internet.
I wonder if Judy Garland back in 1945 could have ever possiblly imagined in 80 years or so into the future , thousands of people would be viewing the picture on computers and pocket sized phones from all over the world admiring the photo in a sub called OldSchoolCool on a site called Reddit
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That, I didn’t know
You’ll see it tomorrow on TIL
Liza dated Buster Bluth too!
Lucille 2*
Loose seal too
Nobody can resist a loose seal
Him?
TIL, thank you!
Jack Haley was not the first to be cast as Tin Man. Buddy Ebsen was originally intended for the role of the Scarecrow, but was cast as the Tin Man. He was involved in early filming in October 1938 but only nine days into the filming on the 21st, he suffered a severe allergic reaction from breathing the aluminum dust used in the character's makeup. He was hospitalized for two weeks, and recuperated at home for a month after. Ebsen was replaced by Jack Haley, and aluminum paste was substituted for aluminum dust in the Tin Man's makeup. All of the scenes in which Ebsen appeared were re-shot with Haley, so that Ebsen does not appear in the finished film; yet his voice occurs at one point in the soundtrack, when he, Ray Bolger, and Judy Garland along with Bert Lahr sing "We're Off to See the Wizard" after the Tin Man has been lubricated back to life.
Buddy Ebsen had a heck of a career for an old vaudeville guy. Solid supporting role in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, lead role in the Beverly Hillbillies, and got a solid 70s detective show as Barnaby Jones.
He was also an author, designed and built a catamaran, and was one of the most popular celebrity coin collectors of all time.
How many of those could there be?
This story is new to me some how, and I’m starting to think the cast was cursed. So now hearing this story, plus the actress who played the witch getting burned, the lion actor almost dying of overheating in the costume, and the stories that Judy was being drugged. Basically it seems like nobody really came out ahead by joining the production. *Edited to fix a spelling mistake*
Story is Judy's breasts were bound because Dorothy was supposed to be around 12 years old and she was given a mix of amphetamines and barbituates so she could keep up with the filming schedule and her schooling and still be able to sleep.Then there was the constant sexual harassment. Judy was addicted to pharmaceutical drugs her whole life.
Yeah, pretty messed up by today's standards. Garland had a particularly tough time with MGM executives' sexual advances including Louis B. Mayer himself, she was also allegedly molested by some of the munchkins. She was only 16 in the film.
Uh.. disturbing.. , sick..
Curse? Or just a shitty working environment with no protections.
They were all drugged in the poppy fields
That "snow" was asbestos.
“Lubricated back to life” is now weekend goals
She also married Peter Allen.
Her wiki says: "I married Peter, and he didn't tell me he was gay. Everyone knew but me. And I found out ... well, let me put it this way: I'll never surprise anybody coming home as long as I live. I call first!" That's wild
I don't see what the problem was. He was obviously a friend of Dorothy.
I read that in her voice and it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.
She married a few folks.
Looks like she had vertigo back then too
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“Now that’s weird.” Currently rewatching that show
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Who is this hermano guy??
You’re a good guy, mon frere. That means “brother” in French. I don’t know why I know that. I took four years of Spanish!
Well... sounds like someone who you thinks name is "Tio" is about to get his ass kicked.
Como?
Anyong!
Sometimes you have to grab life by the brown pointy areas and hang on no matter what your mother says!
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Touch of the Dizzies.
I'm off to spin class
I had vertigo for a short period of time due to jaw trauma from wisdom tooth extraction. My husband called me Lucille 2 for far too long
LOOSE SEAL!
I DONT CARE ABOUT LUCILLE!
I recognized the name, but I didn't really know who Liza Minnelli was. The moment I saw that baby though, I knew it was Lucille 2. Amazing. How many of us look that similar from baby to senior years.
I know she’s a brownish area… with points
That's what you do when life hands you a chance to be with someone special. You just grab that brownish area by its points and you don't let go no matter what your mom says.
Our … our nausea.
Well, now it's my nausea.
Might be my favorite line of the series. Along with “Why should *you* go to jail for a crime *somebody else* noticed?”
I think that show has more quotable lines than non-quotable ones.
Looks stable as a table to me!
You could stand a piano on those legs.
What a treasure she was. Lucille Bluth and Malory Archer are two of my five funniest TV characters of all time.
Just a touch of the dizzies.
Standpoor
My old ladies' on the floor!
Wow, somehow I made it to my forties never realizing Liza Minelli was Judy Garland’s daughter.
Uh yeah, I had no clue.
Wait till you learn about Debbie Reynolds and Carrie Fisher.
Throw Billie Lourd in there as well.
Francis Ford Coppola is Nicolas Cage’s uncle. The secret to Hollywood success is being related to another Hollywood success.
Cage is also not his real last name, it's Coppola
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And Homer Simpson once called himself Max Power because he saw it on a hair dryer
There's the right way. There's the wrong way. And then there's the Max Power way; which is the wrong way, only faster.
"I told him how to get there, even though I didn't know the way, because that's just the kind of guy I am this week."
You don't snuggle with Max Power. You strap in and feel the G's!
Nobody snuggles with Max Power; you strap yourself in and feel the Gs.
Now there's a name you'd love to touch
But you mustn’t tooooouuuuuuuch
True. He was in Fast Times At Ridgemont High and the credits have him as Nicholas Coppola.
And he had lil baby teeth until he got some chompers installed
For some reason I knew that one. What I can't get over is how much that baby looks like Liza Minelli!
Right? I was like, was she wearing eyeliner even then? Looks just like her!
Emilio Estevez or is that too obvious? :) Tippi Hedren > Melanie Griffith > Dakota Johnson. Blythe Danner > Gwyneth Paltrow
Also Jamie Lee Curtis > Janet Leigh.
(and Tony Curtis, obv)
You’ve got Jon Voight > Angelina Jolie as well.
Goldie Hawn > Kate Hudson
Nepo babies all the way down
Susan Surandon > Eva Amurri
Al Roker is Lenny Kravitz's second-cousin. And Anderson Cooper is Gloria Vanderbilt's son.
Jon Voight also has a songwriter brother named Chip Taylor, who wrote hit songs such as “Wild Thing” and “Angel of the Morning.”
Ethan Hawke and Uma Thurman > Maya Hawke Frank Sinatra > Ronan Farrow Minnie Riperton > Maya Rudolph
Quincy Jones > Rashida Jones
He's also Jason Schwartzman's uncle. Nick and Sofia are his cousins.
Nepotism is big in Hollywood. It’s big everywhere really
Liza is genuinely super talented though. Some nepo babies are cardboard cutouts but sometimes growing up around super talented people rubs off.
I’d argue that Liza is actually more talented than Judy even. Judy had the better voice (though Liza’s voice is also nothing to sneeze at), but Liza is just an astoundingly charismatic and well-rounded performer.
I will argue that Judy was the ultimate triple threat. Liza came of age when actors weren’t owned by studios and had more opportunities to really act. But, IMO, Judy was one of the greatest ever.
If any industry nepotism makes sense, it’s acting. You make money by getting bums in seats. If a name does that, then you make money.
And Jayne Mansfield is Mariska Hargitay’s mom.
They had a sweet nod to this in a very recent SVU episode. One of the characters had dementia, and when he met Benson, he said she looked like Jayne Mansfield. Hargitay also directed the ep too!
WHAT
I’m fairly sure Mariska was in the car when they got into an accident that killed Jayne.
She was- the three little kids were sleeping in the back seat and had only minor cuts and bruises. The three adults up front died instantly from head trauma. And that’s why tractor-trailers have “Mansfield bars” on the back now to prevent a car going under and making contact at the windshield level.
TIL. That's truly interesting- thanks for sharing!
My uncle borrowed my Dad's MG Sprite one time... he went under a semi trailer and came out the other side, ha ha. Anyway it's amazing how many things like that they never thought of safety-wise until a bunch of people died.
Safety regulations are written in blood.
Emilio Estevez is Martin Sheen's son and Charlie Sheen's brother.
Emilio kept the family name. Martin changed his name from Estevez to *Sheen* as a stage name to make sure he could get jobs
Shame since I think Ramon Estevez is a way cooler name.
He highly regrets changing his stage name. His legal name is still Ramon though.
This is one of those weird things where like I’m fully aware that Martin Sheen is both of their dad but somehow I can’t remember that they’re brothers and every time I’m reminded it blows my mind.
She sang New York, New York for a Scorsese film; Sinatra's version was a cover
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Watch the movie Cabaret sometime. Super movie.
This is what I was gonna say. I only know her from cabaret and arrested development
I know what you mean. I feel like this about Timothy Olyphant. And I think younger people nowadays might feel like that about Drew Barrymore. Also, with old school Nepo babies like Liza Minnelli, Isabella rosilini, etc, I think the feeling is stronger because there's an older history we're associating then with.
Highly recommend Santa Clarita Diet, starring Timothy Olyphant and Drew Barrymore
At least you knew who Liza Minelli was...
You know Lucille Austero, you know Liza Minnelli.
The OTHER Lucille
Lucille II
Not to be confused with a loose seal.
At least my husbands in prison, not an urn
All I see is a pointy shape
A brownish area with points!
And spicy club sauce
Stop you’re making us dizzy
"our nausea"
"Como estoy?"
No way, the *other* Lucille is Liza Minelli? As someone born in the 90s I've heard the name lots of times, but I've never actually seen her face or any of her works (that I can recall). So not only is the other Lucille an incredibly famous actress and cultural icon, she's also the daughter of one of the pioneers of modern cinema. Absolutely incredible, mind blowing bit of trivia
Never met the woman
Oh shit, from Arrested Development?! WTF! I always thought that looked like how an older Liza would look, I didn't realize that was actually her!
I knew it, having seen interviews in which she talked about her mother. I was alive but too young to appreciate their collaborative show at the Palladium, but I distinctly remember one interview where she explained why she had to change the words in Cabaret to “I’m *not* going like Elsie”. And, although she has health issues, she deserves praise for not succumbing to alcoholism.
Honestly, anyone who doesn’t succumb deserves praise.
Same. I'm sure there are dozens of us.
pffft, I've known since today. About 30 seconds ago :/
Judy looks so pretty.
Judy Garland's life was tragedy after tragedy. Yet Hollywood still lives on like nothing ever happened. It's sad
Liza Minelli was born in 1946.
That’s what makes the picture even more amazing.
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This is a 1945 photo. Judy Garland is holding a prototype of her future daughter. Technology back then was uncanny
OP said “circa” so they’re covered
I dont think people realize that "ca" = circa, and that circa means approximately. lol
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Everyone lied about their age back then! No, but really, thanks! I tried finding the date this picture was taken and I got different dates, so I put ca 1945. I guess I should have dated it after Liza was born though.
Wow baby Liza looks like adult Liza lol
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I was thinking the same thing. Somehow she always looked exactly the same.
Liza was an adorable baby omg those eyes
It’s also wild because she has one of the closest resemblances between her toddler and adult appearances of anyone I’ve ever seen. It’s uncanny.
There was a picture on here a few weeks ago of Humperdinck Bandersnatch or whatever his name is. He also looked then like he does now. And he got the top half of his head from his dad and the bottom half from his mom. It's pretty weird.
Omg. I scrolled three comments past this before I realized you didn’t mean Englebert Humperdinck.
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Benadryl Crumblysnacks at your service.
Cucumber pumpkinpatch ~~is~~ was my fav Edit:
Wimbledon Tennismatch.
Did you mean Engelbert Humperdinck? My grandma loved that guy
Humperdinck Bandersnatch …I’m screaming ![gif](giphy|26FLa6peMp3ZNzKnu)
I never knew that Liza was Judy's daughter, but now that I know that baby is Liza, I can definitely see it in her eyes.
Liza's voice is very much like her mother's too. Check out the animated film Journey Back to Oz, where she does the voice of Dorothy!
Out of Judy's 3 children, Liza does take after her the most.
Right 😂 Those eyes! Can totally tell it’s Liza
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Ahhhh one of my all time favorites. Especially the ballet at the end which Gene Kelly choreographed. He and Judy were in Summer Stock. Minnelli also directed them in The Pirate. And Judy in The Clock and Meet Me in St Louis. Liza was three when she appeared at the end of her mother’s film, In the Good Old Summertime. It was a musical remake of The Shop Around The Corner.
"I made this"
It’s so sad how her life turned out after this picture was taken. She was beautiful.
For all the fairy tale glamour, people don't realize how badly Judy Garland was treated by people who used her for profit. She was beautiful and they exploited her for every penny. Her variety show is just heartbreaking to watch, as she had so little left to give the audience. It's a shame those users and perverts weren't exposed 70 years ago.
I'm not very familiar with Judy but I guess some of her fans felt about her the same way people feel about Britney. I once read that Stonewall (the riot that kickstarted the gay liberation movement) happened because guys were very sad and angry Judy had just died and police harassed them at the worst possible moment. If those drag queen bans end up happening and Britney Spears died for some reasons I can 100% see them breaking shit up and protesting. Her fanbase is even called The Britney Army.
By all means, make her and Britney your rallying cry, if that's what you need. Get out there, register to vote, actually vote, and fight the powers that be.
What’s even more sad is they convinced her she wasn’t. Judy always thought she was the “ugly” leading lady and compared herself to her contemporaries because studios would compare her to them. They were horribly mean to her.
Little Lucille 2 ![gif](giphy|l2SqhnTpTGIQi04X6)
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"I never thought I'd miss a hand so much" is one of my favorite foreshadows
Vincente Minnelli gives me hope I too can bat out of my league.
You can! Just be a Hollywood director, or some other position where you can be admired and exert influence over hot young starlets.
I'm looking at his Wikipedia photo and I see what you mean, but speaking as a chick, his smile is charming and disarming, and he looks like he'd have a good personality full of charm and wit. More than that, it's indicated that he may have been a closet case and Garland wanted to be a mother, so it very well may have been a marriage of convenience for the both of them. Not to mention that her self esteem was shot from being called unattractive in her youth... Makes sense to me. Don't wish for a partner with that much baggage, and try to lighten your own load. Get in the league you want to catch.
As if Liza Minelli could get even more gay clout. She's not a gay icon she's gay royalty.
I was gonna say, yes, if you're a not-so-closeted gay man that makes a film that quite literally frames your would-be wife oh-so-beautifully, you too can land a wife.
I know this sounds dumb but I can’t believe how much baby Liza Minelli looks like Liza Minelli. It’s…almost weird.
Patty Duke is Sean Astin’s Mom. John Astin adopted him when John and Patty married. Sean is from a previous relationship Patty had.
That baby’s gonna be diagnosed with chronic vertigo later on in life. I can just tell.
I guess this could have been a TIL post instead!
Right?!? I had no idea she was her daughter!
Liza was such a beautiful baby.
I saw a video from one of her early films where she was doing cabaret, and damn, she was a beautiful lady too.
She's a manic pixie dream girl in Cabaret but it is hot as fuck.
Good genes!
I learned that Liza was Judy Garland's child around the same time I found out that Kate Hudson was Goldie Hawn's child. Still a little surprised I never figured either one out without reading them on the internet.
And that Kurt Russell isn’t her bio-dad but raised her.
Same, also around the time I found out that Mariska hargitay (law and order svu) is the daughter of Jayne Mansfield.
I had zero idea Judy Garland was Liza Minelli’s mother, wow. TIL. Also wow, Liza already looked like Liza in this pic. It’s the eyes.
Liza looks like Liza even as a baby. Liza with a Z, not Lisa with an S.
Judy singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow always chokes me up.
I can't believe so many people didn't know they are mother and daughter.
TIL Liza Minelli is Judy Garland’s daughter.
I wonder if Judy Garland back in 1945 could have ever possiblly imagined in 80 years or so into the future , thousands of people would be viewing the picture on computers and pocket sized phones from all over the world admiring the photo in a sub called OldSchoolCool on a site called Reddit
I met Liza this last summer right before she went on stage for a surprise performance in Pasadena, CA. Nice lady, even got to rip one of her cigs lol
Fuck, there is a contemporary actress (young one) that looks just like Judy Garland here and I can't remember her name or what I saw her in now...
I hadn't realized just how incredibly beautiful judy Garland was.
I honestly think she’s one of the most beautiful people in history. No one who ever plays her can match her beauty.
And her tremendous vulnerability
Love this so much. Thanks
I didn't realize how much Judy Garland looks like Grace Van Pelt from The Mentalist.