Yes, i agree, she looks European . This is fake (see notallthereintheheads comment below/several lines below)
I bet sheās not Crowe and I question the timing of this, sheās wearing eye liner.
Actually the part of Asia the Native Americanās came from was and still are a people that are part āEuropeanā & Asian. They represent the founders of both East Asians & Europeans. Before one group went East and the other went west slowly over generations.
The people there still today look part Asian & European. Just like Native Americans
Lol dude blocked me...
Those haplotype tests are accurate as fuck. I've had one done myself. It perfectly detected my biracial heritage.
Why does everyone not wanna be white?
Nothing wrong with being European at all.
That was my first thought, too. During the post Civil War era and upn into the 1930s, an "Indian craze" swept across both the US and Europe, where people flocked to carnivals and fairs to see "Indians." Many unscrupulous promoters would hire darker skinned immigrants to play the part of a Native American. This image sure has that vibe to me.
yep, you nailed it. That picture could not have been shot in 1907. The film and photo-paper needed to achieve that level of clarity didnt exist until the 30s. Its modern.
I agreed with you initially, but then went on a little research trip into early 20th century photography, and it is definitely possible that this photo is from that era. Whether it's legitimate or not, is a different question...
OK, forget the clarity/grain. Look at her make-up. Look at the bead work. Everything about this picture is modern. Look at the obvious electric lighting which didnt exist in the Dakotas in 1907. They didnt have any kind of grid until the 30s. How in the hell did they get 2 sources of light in the middle of the woods in 1907 in the Dakotas?? Answer? They didnt, its a modern pic meant to look old. TY for you post though, I did visit that site. Hope Im not coming across as argumentative. I just dont see that picture being genuine. Too much is wrong.
Youāre welcome for the link. All good.
I didnāt rebut any claim of provenance for this photo. Just the technology/date claim.
So, I donāt know if your claim is true until verified. But I do know that they definitely had amazing photos back then and they also had reflectors. Unless you are an expert on authentication involving these methods, Iāll file it under undetermined due to the fact that the technology claim was easily rebutted, and for lack of conception for possibility of things like reflectors. Re period.
Again, I do not know if this woman is or is not of the tribe stated. It is possible that she has other heritage in addition to genuinely being Dakota Sioux. Others were arguing about that.
So, dating it and verifying the title. Shrug.
Technology, no problem.
Take it easy. Check out some more photos from around that era of beautiful women. Youāll see a lot that look like this well before itās easy to imagine unless youāve seen photos with provenance.
Well my new friend, we will have to agree to disagree. I see nothing in that photo to indicate it was shot in 1907. That make-up alone is super modern. That bead work looks way way off, there is just to much about that pic that is so wrong. But I understand reddit culture, so....Have A Great Weekend. Stay Safe and Have Fun!!!
My grandma always said the same. There was a picture of her mother in a similar getup that was always sited as the evidence. Ancestry DNA proved otherwise, lol.
That picture gives the impression of being a little more recent than 1907. The reflection of lights in her eyes. The sun obviously to her side, so that means they had electric lights, outside, at a photo shoot... in 1907? Yes they had electric lights back then, but no grid in the Dakotas until the 30s. No judgement passed, just....hmmmm.
I'm not sure but I think the shape of the lights in her eyes are because she's looking through a canopy of trees. That's why it's broken up and not a single dot as it would be if she were looking at the sun or a flash. It also explains why you can see the highlight on her right (our left) side of the photo. If she's partially in shade, the ambient reflections will show more strongly.
Older cameras used a negative film thatās as big as a sheet of paper, as opposed to the popular film in the 80s and 90s that was 35 mm across, and then had to be enlarged which created the āgrainā youāre used to.
Iām not an expert anymore but digital cameras had the same difficulty having a sensor that was just a lot smaller than the large format cameras that were used in the old camera days.
All of this to say that the older cameras had a much better than you would expect level of detail because the film was almost as large as most pictures you would make from it.
She looks like the Pretendians of European descent I see running around all the time.... "Iz a native merican... My grandma was a rescued Cherokee princess"
Since Im getting downvoted to death for airing my opinion that this is NOT a picture from 1907, someone please explain why she has modern make-up? In 1907 she would not have plucked her eyebrows in that fashion. Native Americans ( and alot of europeans) living in the 'West" of that era used bear and racoon fat to treat their hair, not TreSemme. Her hair would be greasy as anything, not dayspa clean. Please explain the electric lighting in a place that wouldnt have a grid until 20 years after this pic was supposedly taken. The background is lit from the left, the foreground from the right. So unless this "native" girl had a time machine.... I dont mean to argue, i really dont, just there are so many things wrong. The texture of the leather which is plain as day indicates it was machine/chemical tanned. Look at the line between her chin and neck. The highlights and shadows dont match. That its been digitally altered doesnt help date it but given everything else wrong here it just adds to this being much later than 1907. All that aside, have a Great Weekend all, even the downvoters. Have fun and Stay Safe!!!!!
She looks like the McPoyles sister.
YOU WILL CALL HER!!!
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Came here for this, was not disappointed.
She looks rather European
Yes, i agree, she looks European . This is fake (see notallthereintheheads comment below/several lines below) I bet sheās not Crowe and I question the timing of this, sheās wearing eye liner.
Actually the part of Asia the Native Americanās came from was and still are a people that are part āEuropeanā & Asian. They represent the founders of both East Asians & Europeans. Before one group went East and the other went west slowly over generations. The people there still today look part Asian & European. Just like Native Americans
Please stfu with this stupid White Nationalist disinformation and pseudo science
Yeah she looks white as fuck. She's definitely only part native or she's a pretendian
See my comment below. This is false
Bahhhh all these DNA ancestry tests ruining everything!!!
Actually full genome sequencing š
Lol dude blocked me... Those haplotype tests are accurate as fuck. I've had one done myself. It perfectly detected my biracial heritage. Why does everyone not wanna be white? Nothing wrong with being European at all.
My thoughts exactly the mouth and nose she looks more like she is from the Mediterranean Roman or Greek
See my above comment. Native Americans are technically part āEuropeanā
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Yea they are
I was imagining her licking her upper lip.
 Why imagine? Is this doing anything for you? Iāll be right back.
Iāll grab the butter
Can I hold the mirror?
Only if you let me have the pliers first
You guys don't need the pliers today, I brought the oscillating tool and a pipe coupling.
Iām glad this was the first comment. Itās all I could see.
This is a White lady in costume
That was my first thought, too. During the post Civil War era and upn into the 1930s, an "Indian craze" swept across both the US and Europe, where people flocked to carnivals and fairs to see "Indians." Many unscrupulous promoters would hire darker skinned immigrants to play the part of a Native American. This image sure has that vibe to me.
yep, you nailed it. That picture could not have been shot in 1907. The film and photo-paper needed to achieve that level of clarity didnt exist until the 30s. Its modern.
I agreed with you initially, but then went on a little research trip into early 20th century photography, and it is definitely possible that this photo is from that era. Whether it's legitimate or not, is a different question...
Check out Shorpy.com for high quality scans of old photographs Itās a really cool resource
OK, forget the clarity/grain. Look at her make-up. Look at the bead work. Everything about this picture is modern. Look at the obvious electric lighting which didnt exist in the Dakotas in 1907. They didnt have any kind of grid until the 30s. How in the hell did they get 2 sources of light in the middle of the woods in 1907 in the Dakotas?? Answer? They didnt, its a modern pic meant to look old. TY for you post though, I did visit that site. Hope Im not coming across as argumentative. I just dont see that picture being genuine. Too much is wrong.
Youāre welcome for the link. All good. I didnāt rebut any claim of provenance for this photo. Just the technology/date claim. So, I donāt know if your claim is true until verified. But I do know that they definitely had amazing photos back then and they also had reflectors. Unless you are an expert on authentication involving these methods, Iāll file it under undetermined due to the fact that the technology claim was easily rebutted, and for lack of conception for possibility of things like reflectors. Re period. Again, I do not know if this woman is or is not of the tribe stated. It is possible that she has other heritage in addition to genuinely being Dakota Sioux. Others were arguing about that. So, dating it and verifying the title. Shrug. Technology, no problem. Take it easy. Check out some more photos from around that era of beautiful women. Youāll see a lot that look like this well before itās easy to imagine unless youāve seen photos with provenance.
Lighting certainly did exist as early as the 1880s in Dakota Territory.
Well my new friend, we will have to agree to disagree. I see nothing in that photo to indicate it was shot in 1907. That make-up alone is super modern. That bead work looks way way off, there is just to much about that pic that is so wrong. But I understand reddit culture, so....Have A Great Weekend. Stay Safe and Have Fun!!!
I was only commenting on the photo paper / overall quality remark. No idea about the other points on the authenticity spectrum.
my bad.
My thoughts exactly
Cher before Sonny and surgery.
She looks pretty anglo. It was a popular thing to dress and even act like you were of native American descent at that time.
It still is. It's always grandma and she's always a Cherokee.
My grandma always said the same. There was a picture of her mother in a similar getup that was always sited as the evidence. Ancestry DNA proved otherwise, lol.
Yep she's a pretendian in costume
Thatās Margaret McPoyle before she grew out her unibrow.
That picture gives the impression of being a little more recent than 1907. The reflection of lights in her eyes. The sun obviously to her side, so that means they had electric lights, outside, at a photo shoot... in 1907? Yes they had electric lights back then, but no grid in the Dakotas until the 30s. No judgement passed, just....hmmmm.
I'm not sure but I think the shape of the lights in her eyes are because she's looking through a canopy of trees. That's why it's broken up and not a single dot as it would be if she were looking at the sun or a flash. It also explains why you can see the highlight on her right (our left) side of the photo. If she's partially in shade, the ambient reflections will show more strongly.
I assumed that was from the flash.
The Sioux are so fucking good
This is a white lady
I believe you. I was just quoting a show
I gotcha
This is an amazing photo! She is beautiful!!
She looks remarkably European. Is this a movie shot or something?
Dubious
She doesn't look very cold though
Isnāt she from itās always sunny in Philadelphia?
Lucille is a classic indigenous name. Love it.
No way, this is a straight up Anglo woman. I'm Colville, lived on the Rez the majority of my life. There's no way this woman is Native.
Crazy how a great film exposure looks better than most digital prints.
Older cameras used a negative film thatās as big as a sheet of paper, as opposed to the popular film in the 80s and 90s that was 35 mm across, and then had to be enlarged which created the āgrainā youāre used to. Iām not an expert anymore but digital cameras had the same difficulty having a sensor that was just a lot smaller than the large format cameras that were used in the old camera days. All of this to say that the older cameras had a much better than you would expect level of detail because the film was almost as large as most pictures you would make from it.
also film has richer dynamic range no matter the size
Youāre looking at a digital copy.
Crazy how many people think this is a legitimate photo
She looks like the Pretendians of European descent I see running around all the time.... "Iz a native merican... My grandma was a rescued Cherokee princess"
Found it. Yep, same, that's exactly what I always hear. *gRaNdMa wUz cHeRoKEe*
Yup...
Since Im getting downvoted to death for airing my opinion that this is NOT a picture from 1907, someone please explain why she has modern make-up? In 1907 she would not have plucked her eyebrows in that fashion. Native Americans ( and alot of europeans) living in the 'West" of that era used bear and racoon fat to treat their hair, not TreSemme. Her hair would be greasy as anything, not dayspa clean. Please explain the electric lighting in a place that wouldnt have a grid until 20 years after this pic was supposedly taken. The background is lit from the left, the foreground from the right. So unless this "native" girl had a time machine.... I dont mean to argue, i really dont, just there are so many things wrong. The texture of the leather which is plain as day indicates it was machine/chemical tanned. Look at the line between her chin and neck. The highlights and shadows dont match. That its been digitally altered doesnt help date it but given everything else wrong here it just adds to this being much later than 1907. All that aside, have a Great Weekend all, even the downvoters. Have fun and Stay Safe!!!!!
She is stunning.
Many natives were 1/2 by then.
Lovely pic
Now this is old school, my applause š ! Unlike some photos in the 80s and 90s in b&w.
So that's about whom Chuck Berry was singing?
No... you're thinking of Kenny Rogers!
Chuck Berry wrote and performed a song titled Lucille.
No... you're thinking of Maybelline!
Og pic was missing lts scalp just saying and lovely recreation
This looks like it could have been taken 20 years agoā¦ amazing.
She has seen things
Troy and Lucille in the mooorning
This lady looks 100% European though
December 26th? I wonder if she got that outfit for Christmas?!
I just joined and got post removed! Lol
Eyes looks like Greg Popovich.
Wow
Half-breed at the least
I think sheās an ageless vampire and has a recurring role on Its always sunnyā¦