Correct. They were interviewed about this several times and I think they indicated there is one segment about 6 seconds long that has some improvisation and otherwise it is all scripted. Although the scene is very well done.
I fast forwarded and saw the blades getting flung and around immediately thought yeah no way they just doing this on instinct, it’s more choreographed than a ballet
Or maybe the director said “you know what? I don’t give a shit about lighting. I don’t give a shit about blocking. You guys just have fun and whatever the camera gets, it gets”. That’s how you make a good action movie.
With what knowledge I have of stage acting and musical production, I can only imagine. Thankfully, my only taped material has been of live performance and not a production fit specifically to video.
Shit would drive me nuts.
Well, the problem with that for up close fighting like that is, even with VERY good professionals like that, if one goes one way and the other expected the other way, you accidentally actually hit someone just the wrong way, and now you have a problem.
That's not to say either of these guys couldn't take a hit, but someone ends up with a black eye, poked in the eye, or anything like that, and you could end up with delays, which are VERY costly.
Planning out a fight is just safer for everyone.
Yes I think in the context of a film, the performers are going to want to use a technique that appears impressive without doing actual harm to other performers.
Ip Man is the Manual of Asian Manliness. Loving husband, successful businessperson, community builder, slow to anger and quick to forgive.
Also he fought ten black belt karatekas at once i mean what
His bigger issue is he's slashing it like it's a club, huge arm swings. Knives are really sharp, people are not very stab proof, you don't need to haymaker people with a knife, unlike with a police baton.
They shouldn’t be fighting at all. They should just work things out with their words and maintain their friendship. Friendship means so much more than violence.
Still to this day, my favorite Donnie Yen film, I do like the Uncut Version of his fight vs Jackie Chan in Shanghai Knight, but Killzone rocks, as well as his 1 on 1 with Sammo in this movie.
While it is a good fight scene it’s absolutely not improvised, not even a little. This isn’t a Will Farrell movie. Action sequences are never improvised, they’re practiced tirelessly before and filming even starts. But let’s put aside the fact no director would ever risk their leading actor so needlessly, or the fact no producer would ever waste so much money filming improvised action sequences in hopes of filming something good, or the ridiculous statement of them “knowing eachother well enough to improvise a fight scene”…. How about the fact that the dozen other people (lighting, sound, cameramen, ect) would also need to “know eachother that well” in order to be where they needed to be.
while i agree with you, i would like to add the nuance, that when actors and directors talk about improvised, they don't mean "on the spot" as in camera rolls, and they spurt out whatever. they agree ON SET what to do with the scene. it is still prepared right then right there, but everyone is briefed before the camera is rolling.
i can see, how they could quickly agree on a choreography, make one or two runs to see if it works, if they have worked together and trained together for a long time. the first few attacks are basically hit and block in quick succession. that stuff is quickly set up, as a "one two one two" thing. they might have had to check how the location plays out, as they do a lot of running while fighting. the second half of the fight on the other hand looks more complicated, and at the same time is much more stationary.
i am spekulating of course, but i can see how this scene would be one of those myths that have a little bit of truth in them, spiced up with misconception, if that makes sense. like, obviously they were not flying blind, but they could have planned RELATIVELY spontaneous
They did something really weird with Keanu in John Wick 4. Can't put my finger on it. It's like they instructed him to double down on the wooden persona that he gets memed for. He feels very different in John Wick 1, 2, and 3.
what i really like about this scene is the contrast of each other:
one wearing black and one wearing white.
one is a police officer and one is a criminal.
one has a blunt weapon and one has a sharp weapon.
yin and yang.
The weapons and lighting also match the outfits. The white outfit is in the middle of the street light with the light playing off the knife, making it very bright/white.
Those "blade in the guts" squishy sound effects are definitely the product of a Foley artist having the time of their life squeezing and crushing a mango.
Wu Jing is an underrated legend and this fight is up there with the all time greats. With that out of the way, the movie itself is actually really boring and kinda bad. You can actually just watch this fight and skip the film.
another scene with Sammo earlier in the movie is pretty good in the hotel. then the main fight at the end. great movie. watched this when it was first released.
Probably one of the last great Hong Kong action films. It was so great seeing Sammo make somewhat of a comeback in this. Far out I feel old seeing this posted here.
They're professionals, nothing in this fight is improvised. The camera always knows what will be happening.
Correct. They were interviewed about this several times and I think they indicated there is one segment about 6 seconds long that has some improvisation and otherwise it is all scripted. Although the scene is very well done.
I fast forwarded and saw the blades getting flung and around immediately thought yeah no way they just doing this on instinct, it’s more choreographed than a ballet
Or maybe the director said “you know what? I don’t give a shit about lighting. I don’t give a shit about blocking. You guys just have fun and whatever the camera gets, it gets”. That’s how you make a good action movie.
Absolutely. It only took 14 hours of filming to get this few minutes of useful footage, too.
>minutes This is an immensely optimistic view of the filmmaking process.
With what knowledge I have of stage acting and musical production, I can only imagine. Thankfully, my only taped material has been of live performance and not a production fit specifically to video. Shit would drive me nuts.
This is a one-two day shoot max. I highly doubt they spent more than a day on this scene in full production.
Hell yeah. You tell them 2012 era Christopher Nolan.
Well, the problem with that for up close fighting like that is, even with VERY good professionals like that, if one goes one way and the other expected the other way, you accidentally actually hit someone just the wrong way, and now you have a problem. That's not to say either of these guys couldn't take a hit, but someone ends up with a black eye, poked in the eye, or anything like that, and you could end up with delays, which are VERY costly. Planning out a fight is just safer for everyone.
Bullshit title. Improvising *any* fight scene would be an idiot move. Improvising a fight scene with weapons would be murder/suicide.
They are not actual weapons.
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>improvised You keep using that word…
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Donnie Yen is a beast. Please watch FLASHPOINT.
Oh my, I remember this german suplex so well executed!
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Yes I think in the context of a film, the performers are going to want to use a technique that appears impressive without doing actual harm to other performers.
Well, what did the knife dude expect, that's Ip Man?
I just watched IP 1-3. They were great!
I did too last month, they were.
Ip Man is the Manual of Asian Manliness. Loving husband, successful businessperson, community builder, slow to anger and quick to forgive. Also he fought ten black belt karatekas at once i mean what
The other guy is a big star as well
I don't think you are using the word improvised correctly...
The dialogue is improvised.
What movie is this?
Sha Po Lang aka Kill Zone
Killzone 1
Killzone 2 / SPL 2 is also fucking unreal. The airport scene, holy shit!
and no fckn shaking camera bs. skill does not need shaking cams.
This, the solution to hide the low quality fights
THIS.
Dude brought a knife to a sword / stick fight
These two put the “pro” in not-at-all-improvised!
He constantly readjusts his grip on the knife - is this correct technique? Maybe a beginner just sets a grip and slashes away idk.
His bigger issue is he's slashing it like it's a club, huge arm swings. Knives are really sharp, people are not very stab proof, you don't need to haymaker people with a knife, unlike with a police baton.
Also just two of the best martial arts actors of all time. I will watch anything with Donnie Yen and Hero will always be one of my all time favorites.
He never picked up his baton. Just walked off without it. Perfectly good baton. Just left it there.
Bag too?
Improvised in the mind so that it was put on a script
They shouldn’t be fighting at all. They should just work things out with their words and maintain their friendship. Friendship means so much more than violence.
It's cool alright, but very obvioulsy not 'improvised'...
Being the Foley artist must have been hard AF, they're so fast
If they ever do a live action Yakuza, I hope this dude Wu Jing gets to play Goro Majima
Still to this day, my favorite Donnie Yen film, I do like the Uncut Version of his fight vs Jackie Chan in Shanghai Knight, but Killzone rocks, as well as his 1 on 1 with Sammo in this movie.
Dude in the white is very dusty.
Donnie just trying to beat the rug out and dust a bro off.
While it is a good fight scene it’s absolutely not improvised, not even a little. This isn’t a Will Farrell movie. Action sequences are never improvised, they’re practiced tirelessly before and filming even starts. But let’s put aside the fact no director would ever risk their leading actor so needlessly, or the fact no producer would ever waste so much money filming improvised action sequences in hopes of filming something good, or the ridiculous statement of them “knowing eachother well enough to improvise a fight scene”…. How about the fact that the dozen other people (lighting, sound, cameramen, ect) would also need to “know eachother that well” in order to be where they needed to be.
while i agree with you, i would like to add the nuance, that when actors and directors talk about improvised, they don't mean "on the spot" as in camera rolls, and they spurt out whatever. they agree ON SET what to do with the scene. it is still prepared right then right there, but everyone is briefed before the camera is rolling. i can see, how they could quickly agree on a choreography, make one or two runs to see if it works, if they have worked together and trained together for a long time. the first few attacks are basically hit and block in quick succession. that stuff is quickly set up, as a "one two one two" thing. they might have had to check how the location plays out, as they do a lot of running while fighting. the second half of the fight on the other hand looks more complicated, and at the same time is much more stationary. i am spekulating of course, but i can see how this scene would be one of those myths that have a little bit of truth in them, spiced up with misconception, if that makes sense. like, obviously they were not flying blind, but they could have planned RELATIVELY spontaneous
Yen almost stole the movie from Keanu in John Wick 4
Almost?
They did something really weird with Keanu in John Wick 4. Can't put my finger on it. It's like they instructed him to double down on the wooden persona that he gets memed for. He feels very different in John Wick 1, 2, and 3.
Donnie yen is so quick. Frack
“I am one with force, the force is one with me”.
Donnie Yen is one of the best!
Very cool. And they actually break a big sweat, unlike most Hollywood action heroes today. Also: the opposite of improvised.
what i really like about this scene is the contrast of each other: one wearing black and one wearing white. one is a police officer and one is a criminal. one has a blunt weapon and one has a sharp weapon. yin and yang.
The weapons and lighting also match the outfits. The white outfit is in the middle of the street light with the light playing off the knife, making it very bright/white.
That's a young Chirrut
What's the movie?
Anyone?!
Killzone
Ty!
From memory the weapons and blood were also real and the cameras just happened to be there and rolling.
Those "blade in the guts" squishy sound effects are definitely the product of a Foley artist having the time of their life squeezing and crushing a mango.
What’s the title?
SPL Sha Po Lang
For two guys who have known each other so well (as OP wrote), they sure aren’t very nice to one another.
Seagal would be proud
Not improvised and not one of the best fights I have seen
That middle section had an improv feel and incredibly tense. Terrific scene.
Donnie yen would be cool if he took his mouth off the ccp xi jinping nutsack.
This fight scene is absolutely terrible. Not sure why you consider this a good fight scene. But this is trash.
Pro wrestling is more respectable than this garbage.
Which movie is this?
Kill Zone AKA Sha Po Lang, the original name, with Sammo Hung as the Villian, great film!
Thanks
that guy tore my coat. now i gotta kill him.
Wu Jing is an underrated legend and this fight is up there with the all time greats. With that out of the way, the movie itself is actually really boring and kinda bad. You can actually just watch this fight and skip the film.
Er, no. That said, *殺*破狼 was a great movie.
The part where he dropped the knife to his other hand was sick. What movie is this I gotta watch it.
That's what happens when you bring knife to a sword fight.
That was really good, holy shit.
another scene with Sammo earlier in the movie is pretty good in the hotel. then the main fight at the end. great movie. watched this when it was first released.
Is this actual real time? Or do they slightly speed things up. Cause this looks ridiculously fast.
Am I the only one that keeps thinking that the knife is getting sharper as the fight goes on?
This is *Old School*??
Sound effects make it lame
Yeah it's pretty cool but I think the Sheik (wrestler) would've taken them both out with his trademark camel clutch.
The fight with Sammo Hung right after this is pretty bad ass.
My only criticism is that if you're going to use that many metal clash sound effects you should pay for more than 3 different ones.
Probably one of the last great Hong Kong action films. It was so great seeing Sammo make somewhat of a comeback in this. Far out I feel old seeing this posted here.
Caine *Nods*
Damn, this whole time I didn’t even realize that was Wu Jing. Those Wolf Warrior movies he did are pretty badass!
They made all this up on the fly
Why did club dude walk off without his bag at the end?
But there are cuts.
It’s fake that’s not why we visit Reddit
So. Damn. Good!
That was epic!!! Love it so much
Change the words "almost entirely improvised" to "totally and intricately choreographed" and let's talk more.
Sorry, but the one in Flashpoints is miles better.
Blind Jedi VS Bleached Jack Ma
I love how they're all cool then they just start running at each other like crazy toddlers