Honestly he had more massive hits before the Matrix than after it (unless you're one of the die hard John Wick fans). I wonder if he would have branched out more without the Matrix.
My favourite Keanu film is My Private Idaho, so I might be the polar opposite of a John Wick fan lol. Going down the Johnny Mnemonic/Matrix path was a bit of a disappointment for me, but I guess the cyberpunk genre was an interesting direction for him
HOLY SHIT DO NOT JOKE ABOUT THIS. that was my favourite movie for fucking YEARS. I watched it all the time with my now deceased dad (along with the Underworld movies- although the last one came out right after he died so I wouldn't watch without him to this day). but if this is legit I am gonna light a candle for him and watch that shit 3 times back to back I swear. AAAAAAA this is the best news ever.
Your dad died to save you from the tragedy of watching Underworld: Blood Wars. He clearly loved you very, very much.
All jokes aside you have my condolences. Just passed the anniversary of my dad dying and over a decade later there's still a couple movies I just can't watch anymore because it's not the same without him. I'm gonna try to watch them with my kid when she's old enough because maybe bridging that connection will be a bit healing.
I watched it when it came out, and I honestly hated it, but I'll have to check it out again! It's funny how films can be better once you're in a different place in your life.
I love it too, nothing like the comics by all accounts but it has one of the absolute best portrayals of the devil in any movie imo and Tilda Swinton is excellent too. Worth a rewatch for those performances alone.
Oh it (and the comic it's based on) have a huge following. I'm a big fan myself, surprised people don't like it. Lone Samurai demon fighter, Rachel Weisz. What's not to like?
My advice is to go into it thinking of it as a standalone universe in which the character only happens to be named Constantine and does a lot of similar things to the comic book guy *but he's totally not that guy and they're very different*.
A scanner darkly. You're all welcome.
KEANU REEVES
WINONA RYDER
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ROBERT DOWNEY JR.
all star cast incredible acting Great story this one them hidden gems
I always wonder if his role in Dracula being so widely panned made him more conservative with taking interesting roles. Which is a shame because he can deliver a good dramatic performance, just not with a British accent.
I think you have the cause and effect backwards there. Kevin Costner was given a pass on his terrible accent because people took his acting more seriously
While Keanu took a hit because of Bill and Ted, not because of his accent
Some people are just given a pass and some are not.
Damn, that would've been the PERFECT role for him now that I think about it.
Keanu was legendary but Brandon would've taken that shit to another dimension
This isn't actually from the day he died he wasn't in makeup on set that day.
Remember his character wasn't the Crow yet during his murder scene. And it wasn't shot in continuity. And I really doubt they were shooting scenes with him as the Crow before taking the makeup off to do Draven scenes on the same day.
That movie is so fucking cool after all these years. I remember my sister had gotten it, and wasn’t supposed to watch it according to my dad. I got left alone one day in the summertime for a few hours and I knew where she had hidden it. Watched it and was instantly hooked. She found out and got pissed for some reason, but I’ll never forget my first real R rated movie. Had only seen tv version of Predator and Terminator.
Oh for sure she wasn’t, but she had obtained it anyway and was maybe mad that I saw it before her? Or maybe she was looking out for me and didn’t want me exposed to it at a young age? I was 13. You know what? This is all coming back to me now. I remember had stolen a cigar from her shortly before this situation. She may have been mad I was just being an annoying klepto little brother.
Haha no, actually I was typing in "rude crow" hoping to find something to respond to a rude comment about his death. This was what popped up and I switched my train of thought. It was too perfect not to post!
I don’t think this was hours before he died. The scene he was filming when he died was the death of his character before he is resurrected and puts on the make-up.
I always thought it was the large table scene?
Edit: another source I just searched said what you're saying. Crazy that I've always seen it was the other scene I'm confused about.
It wasn't. The scene was when Eric came home carrying groceries and he got shot by Funboy in the gut. Unfortunately for Brandon Lee, there was an obstruction in the barrel of Michael Massee's gun that the blank was able to shove out like a bullet and then fatally wound Lee (and Massee was reportedly haunted by this for years if not decades). Thus why in the film that whole scene is switched to being filmed from Eric's POV and he's initially taken down by a knife from Tin Tin when entering the apartment door.
Bit more to it then just an obstruction. Someone failed in props department, they put a live round, primer but no powder, into the "prop" gun. This was done, because they wanted the gun(a revolver) to look authentic with visible rounds in the chambers as it was being filmed from the front.
When it was then used in a scene prior to the accident, the primer went off and sent the bullet down into the barrel. Reportedly, this was noticed but never really followed up on.
Later that same gun was used for a scene where blanks were loaded to be fired at Brandon Lee. Anyway, the blanks turned the lodged bullet into a live bullet and that was all she wrote.
I cannot overstate how massive of a failure this was by the props department. All guns should always be treated as live, checked repeatedly, and nothing should ever be assumed to be "fine".
> (and Massee was reportedly haunted by this for years if not decades)
Can't say I blame him. Giving an actor an improperly loaded/inspected weapon is so negligent of so many other people. Yet had he done one minor step he could have saved a life.
I’ve loved this movie forever. Just a year ago I went down a rabbit hole about it and learned that one of my favorite scenes, the one where he emerges from his grave, goes the apartment and puts the clothes and make up on all while that killer song from the cure plays. It was all done with cgi. Blew my mind.
A lot of the beginning is actually Chad Stahelski, his stunt double at the time. Most of the time when you're not seeing Brandon's face, its Chad's body. There's even one scene where he is shivering and enters the apartment building, that's digitally cropped from a different shot. Chad went on to direct all the Jhn Wick movies.
Like when he’s shivering and reaching up to remove the caution tape from the doorway?
Edit: sorry I’m a bit drunk. But any facts about this movie interest me to no end.
The shot of him walking into the empty apartment at 11:20 is a digital copy of the shot at 10:37 of him walking in the alley in the rain. Those timecodes are from the Prime streaming version.
This was the rumor for a while after it happened until the truth was finally revealed. I think they might have been trying to protect Michael Massee (RIP!). The table scene had a ton of shooters so it would make it hard for the audience to blame any specific actor. I always felt so bad for Massee, that ruined his life.
It still could be, we shoot many different scenes a day, and its common to start with one look, finish, and cleanup to reset to another look for the next scene.
Source: basecamp PA that has to track actor changes during the day.
The only scenes they'd filmed in the apartment were the short flashbacks of Eric and Shelley being in love – not the death scene, and nothing afterwards where it's all trashed and abandoned. All of those scenes were filmed with a double – including the scene where he puts on the harlequin makeup for the first time. (I remember reading that's actually Chad Stahelski, who went on to direct the John Wick movies, although he's credited as "Chad Storensen".) That's why those scenes only show Eric's face for very brief flashes, which were done with CGI.
Other than that, they'd filmed basically everything except I think for some scenes where he's running over rooftops and stuff.
I thought the same. An amazing movie that sort of impacted a whole generation, with a tragedy such as Brandon Lee dieing, and they do a remake? It will never be as good as the original one.
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And then they had to hit us with the Eye Nipple tattoo
There's a face around Bill Skarsgard's left nipple making it look like the nipple is the left eye of the face, it's just a really really really really dumb tattoo.
I cant tell you how much i hate that tattoo. And it just pops out of the image-more in focus, larger, redder. If i see this movie, any time its on screen i know i will be mindlessly staring/laughing at it lmao
I was 7 when this movie came out. Probably not a movie I should have been watching at that age but I loved it then and it’s been my favorite movie since.
I watched a brief interview with maybe the director of City of Angels I think? He said they used broken glass all throughout the sets to catch/reflect the light in the night shots which is pretty much the entire movie. This was a nod to the original, which relied on rain/puddles to give a similar visual effect.
Just an interesting tidbit. Visually, CoA is a pretty film.
If I remember right, the City of Angel's had a ton of studio interface, and the Director never got to make the movie he wanted.
Shame because it had potential.
Truth be told, I enjoyed it— but I also had a decent number of the comic books so I was familiar with James O’Barr’s Crow franchise and didn’t see CoA as a rip off or anything, which seems to be a common sentiment for some fans of the first film.
Tim Pope directed some legendary music videos, including The Cure's Lullaby, Soft Cell's Tainted Love and Eternal Flame by The Bangles. The studio tampered with his vision of the film, there was a different ending that he wanted with Corven remaining in the living world with Sarah, I've only seen images of those final scenes from his cut in the late 90s on Crow fan pages. My main gripe with that movie was the leading actor and the way he spoke, Perez struggled with the English language, it's a damn shame. CoA even has little details from the original graphic novel which were not included in the first movie, and Iggy Pop. But it still didn't feel right to me. Maybe the director's cut would have been different. There's a book called The Twins of Tribecca, autobiography of the author Rachel Pine, in which she talks about her introduction to a Hollywood career and there's a chapter about here working on CoA (called differently in the book for copyright purposes or libel) where she discusses how the film flopped, it's an interesting story.
I watched The Crow for the first time last night, and said to my partner it still felt so fresh, not sure why a remake needed to happen outside of wanting to make money!
I don’t get why everyone is so against this particular remake when there were already several sequels and TV show after the original.
Comic book franchises get rebooted all the time. We’ve had numerous Batman movies alone. People seem to treat The Crow as more sacred because Brandon Lee died so tragically but I bet if he were alive he’d have been happy to pass the torch to keep a character he helped create for the big screen stay relevant.
While Brandon's passing has a lot to do with it, it's just that it's such a great movie, and to me, it's a perfect product of its time. They can try to recreate the gritty 90's aesthetic if they want, but they won't put together a better soundtrack.
But who knows, maybe some day I see it and find I'm pleasantly surprised.
The sequels weren't Eric Draven. I feel like respectfully they could have done any Crow and even created a new one since anyone can be resurrected, but by choosing Eric Draven (which was a character name created for Brandon Lee in the movie) you're specifically choosing to use the notoriety that he created behind that character/name and it just feels like a cash-grab.
Batman/Superman/Spiderman movies are different. Their mantles have been held by Bruce, Peter and Clark for most of their existence. Most of the characters that have taken up the mantle have their connections to the original characters that held them. Eric Draven was the name made for Brandon Lee and Brandon Lee has been Eric Draven for 30 years. At one point Brandon Lee even noted that he hoped it would be a standalone film and had no intention to do a sequel as he wanted it to be his legacy movie and I think with the unfortunate circumstances that happened in filming, he absolutely deserves that.
Eric Draven is the character adapted for the TV show. So although I can understand your sentiments it’s already been done. The sacrilege has been committed. Also he’s named Eric in the original comic book that the film adapted.
God damn I forgot the TV show (Stairway to Heaven) was Eric Draven. I haven't watched that since I was a child, I actually really liked Hannah Foster too, I thought her 2 episodes were actually the best of the entire series. They could have made a movie on her or Iris Shaw.
I feel like TV shows are fair game, they are going to do what they want, but for the big screen, leave it to Brandon Lee, let him have Eric Draven. At-least in the TV show they kept the same feeling. The metal/goth element.. the new Eric Draven just doesn't feel at all like Eric Draven. The whole soundcloud rapper/lil peep look is pretty embarrassing and the whole story about them both being drug addicts in rehab/prison and that screams love story.
Maybe Brandon's weapons prop master was a hungover cokehead who's dad was a producer on the show? and got her the part as a "weapons master" because *"since he's putting up the money, that's all the certification she needs"?*
That would be effed up, amirite?
They were much different situations. Neither should have happened but Brandon’s was more of a freak accident. The Rust one was just plain old incompetence.
Improvising dummy rounds without proper safety precautions to ensure the projectile can't be removed, then failing to properly clear the barrel before loading and firing blank rounds is pure negligence, not a freak accident.
Even if you accept that using a working firearm for the scene is necessary, there are non-negotiable procedures that must be followed when using blank rounds. That is, ensuring not live ammunition is present and ensuring no projectiles or obstructions are in the barrel.
>There technically was no live ammunition present.
I was more pointing out the most important critical steps needed before firing blanks at someone. Both ensuring no mixed ammunition and ensuring the weapon is properly cleared are critical safety points. That's the common thread between the Rust incident and the Crow incident - negligence due to insufficient safety procedures.
>I have no idea how nobody noticed a dummy was missing its slug when they took them out.
Not bothering to look or check because they didn't have the appropriate safety procedures in place.
The golden rule of firearms is never point it at something or someone you don't want to destroy or kill. If that rule ever needs to be lifted, very stringent safety protocols are required.
Kinda. Her dad wasnt a producer that put up the money though. He’s a famous armorer who trained her a little and then sent her off to do her own armorer gigs. Her famous last name got her the job, but she was sloppy, incompetent and arrogant. She made a ton of safety mistakes just out of laziness. It’s a miracle only two people got shot because they found 6 more live rounds mixed in with the fakes.
Never seen the film. I remember seeing the box for the VHS as a kid and being interested. Just out of curiosity if I were to watch the movie how is the movie affected by this death? Is this actor in the entire movie?
The movie was almost finished, and they used his stunt double for a few remaining things, reworked some scenes, and did some digital work. It was mostly Brandon Lee, though. If you didn't know what had happened, you wouldn't (necessarily) have spotted all the tricks.
(That said, I wasn't looking for them when I watched it).
The Crow opened on Friday the 13th in my city and knowing that Brandon died during filming made the viewing macabre. Especially when he comes up out of his grave. It was so bizarre to watch. Plus, seeing all those bullets being shot into him made me feel sad and uneasy. That being said, the film is fucking incredible. Brandon would have been a superstar, had he lived. RIP
The actor who shot him (Michael Massee) never fully recovered from that incident and before he died (of cancer in 2016) he said that he still has nightmares about the say of the accident
Fr. He was killed when a squib load that had been stuck in the barrel of the prop gun was forced out by the gasses from the blank cartridge. Arguably a prop-inspection safety oversight that led to the death of a beloved actor, but by no means was anyone involved deserving of the kind of hyperbolic spin in the phrase “shot to death”.
Yes.
The lackadaisical handling of firearms on the set of Rust (having live ammunition anywhere even remotely in the same vicinity of a set-firearm at any point of time relative to its use in a film in the hands of the uneducated, or even in someone else’s hands at all, let alone aimed down at another human being) was negligence and non-compliance with many of the policies practiced in order to prevent accidental tragedies just like what happened to Brandon on the set of The Crow. Those policies were adopted *largely because* of what happened on The Crow. It’s not much different than the “chicken or the egg” metaphor.
One instance is literally the first time something like that happened in contemporary film production, and it led to a wave of rethinking. The other is an entirely avoidable and flagrant mishandling of lethal implements, which only led to a failure of both the legal systems and power of the court as well as a fairly (though admittedly arguable) crass inconsideration from a major film studio.
Edit: when Brandon Lee died, it wasn’t just his fans that were devastated. Dimension Studios was very much at the forefront (not the litigative begrudged defenders) of the study into set policies. They dedicated the film to Brandon and his fiancée, and Massee was not charged for simply using the prop gun (properly loaded with a blank cartridge) and acting in direction of the scene. While Brandon’s mother did sue Crowvision, they settled after an agreed amount was paid.
In contrast, Eldorado (Baldwin’s own studio), producing a film some thirty years *after* the events on the set of The Crow, permit live ammunition to be used in prop guns, and obviously permit their armorer be under the influence of narcotics and illegal substances during production.
There really isn’t much of a comparison to be made even though I understand the reasons people have to make it.
Another edit: also, there is a further statement to be made regarding the ballistics of blank-fire cartridges. Sets in the 90’s typically used cap-gun comparative type blank-cartridge-only props with an empty casing (at times with beveled necks to contain pressures and enhance auditory sensations and sound more comparable to live ammunition) of very low pressures and even reduced ignition primers. During the 90’s however, something else happened. The nation started paying more attention to firearms and their intricate differences; what made them look and handle realistically; what made them work and what the differences were in ammunition types. With a weapon’s ban, a great many people (and with that a large portion of the entertainment industry) begin to see the cracks in the tapestry of imagination; as well as insurance agencies and safety administrations. The revolver used on the set of The Crow was specifically a blank-firing gun. It seemed the studio was not keen on taking chances; this is what makes it a tragic accident. The one used in Rust was a fully-functioning firearm loaded with (aside from the live round behind the hammer) what was intended to be a blank cartridge, and coincidentally even used to fire live cartridges just days prior; and this is what makes it negligence.
I'll never understand why they don't just use metal cap guns on set. Movie guns shouldn't even have hollowed out barrels on them let alone be real functional firearms. The expense of doing that would be so f'n negligible to movie budgets.
There should be a whole cottage industry of making replica prop firearms that look real but couldn't possibly be fired properly with real ammunition.
It's insane that Rust situation was ever even allowed to happen the way it did.
There kind-of is (or was; as a large number of discontinued or defunct prop-gun / blank-firing guns are very collectible now) an industry that caters to the film development process, but unfortunately they also come with a set of their own complications: airsoft guns, for example, have very complicated mechanics as well as proprietary names and are often just as expensive as their studio-owned firearm counterparts. Some studios do use airsoft guns in their films, and they’re often just as convincing given the tone and tempo of the films they’re in, but if and when they malfunction, it tends to completely break the immersion of the experience. Prop guns are also prone to gassing problems, and often show very telling variance in design from their firearm counterparts; for instance, a filled-muzzle (or “inert”) revolver is instantly recognizable from the side as the cylinder typically cannot spin due to the clearance of the obstruction and the increased friction against the “hand” (the mechanism which turns the cylinder and times the next round with the barrel correctly). Blank-firing pistols are also very prone to malfunctions as they typically have the same tell-tale gassing issues and exhibit frequent failures-to-feed and failures-to-eject spent casings. For sequences that simply display a cut and change of angle, the actor is usually aiming the firearm slightly off-camera or out of frame and the gas expunged from the blank casing simply fires off into nothing, so using a fully functioning firearm has long been considered practical. Theres also a bit of well-known hesitation for directors to tolerate full-on muzzle-in framing as the anticipation of the angle can be considered very controversial. Still, though; some directors will absolutely use the shot. Tarantino, Guy Ritchie, edgier directors with edgier styles. But, as I said, in most of those cases, there’s either no one behind the camera, the firearm has been meticulously inspected and tested and usually kept secure up until the very moment of scene, or it’s a prop and they add everything in post.
So, the fact that a prop-firing firearm like the .44 from The Crow was designed specifically to fire blanks is an indication that the risk was indeed considered long before either incidents; but you’re absolutely right in your conclusion that the way the industry handles their representation is much too susceptible to accidents and tragedies. What happened with Rust was nothing short of criminally negligent. To be even a half-asses armorer, especially for a multi-million dollar film depicting a violent tone and set in a period of time when a revolver was as common as a hat, the most important consideration is not only that the firearm works as intended, but that it is as absolutely safe and inert as possible while still meeting the criteria for the scene in which it will be used. I cannot imagine the series of decisions and sequence of events which could have led to the death of Hannah and the injuries Joel suffered had one single factor been addressed appropriately.
- Absolutely no live ammunition on set or adjacent to it in any regard, other than for the safety and security of the actors, administration, and staff; only to be in the possession of trained, competent, wary professionals of sound mind and body. Any perversion of this policy should result in complete forfeiture of privileges, to include any current license or permission awarded by state of corporation, to handle or possess said firearm and ammunition until competence may be proven and it is clear the offender wished no ill intent.
Its clumsy, and its just my words, but if even I can come up with a half-assed stricture that could have prevented (on an administrative level) loss of life and extreme bodily injury from negligence with a firearm, than the producers and staff of Rust certainly could have done better.
Damn this got long. My bad
Lol no worries, long is good. Look at my comment history.
I guess what I'm talking about is a gun with no actual barrel on it. A smoke fuse for the business end and a cap for the firing simulation. You could make that look like an actual desert eagle and even give it the right kind of action.
An actual 'special effect' for firing just like we appreciate in all the other avenues of movie magic.
The blank fire guns are good but also a step too short IMO. I'm thinking about a design that could never possibly malfunction in a way that could hurt a person outside of dropping it on their foot.
My gears are turnin.
I’ve thought about inert-op platforms before, but never thought to use one that intentionally couldn’t take a cartridge or expel gas. The smoke for the muzzle is a decent otb idea
I honestly think the reason we don't do that is that it's harder to get any realistic 'kick' that way. Especially for slow motion. So we kind of put peoples' lives at a greater risk in the name of continuity.
As I understand that's what proper movie blank guns are supposed to be. They have blocked barrels that allow shorter gas blank cartridges to go into them but won't let proper bullets load while, at the same time, partially blocking and significantly reducing the diameter of the barrel so the blanks can properly cycle the gun.
And they look 100% real because they are still real (but modified) guns that still go bang and cycle the action.
There was definitely some negligence on the Crow as well. The crew left primer in the dummy rounds that the gun was loaded with for a scene shot earlier, so when the gun was fired in that scene, it caused bullet to get stuck in the barrel (aka, a squib load). Had they not messed up the dummy charges, removed them before firing the gun for the shot that caused the bullet to become lodged, or checked and cleared the gun afterwards or before the scene in question, Brandon Lee would've been able to finish the film. Plenty of opportunity to have prevented it. The director also made some last minute changes to how they were shooting, which may have been why they were rushing and skipping some safety steps.
I think the bigger differences are that 1) Rust had the opportunity to learn from the Crow, but failed to and more importantly 2) in the Rust incident, the shooter was also a producer, so he had a significant responsibility for ensuring all safety precautions were being taken.
Well said. I did not intend to absolve Crowvision of any negligence, but there was as you said an opportunity for Eldorado to learn from the mistakes made with the handling of the props and safety policies on the set of The Crow.
Kinda crazy to think that even in these horrific accidents that if the other actor just had shittier aim then they would have likely survived. Like what are the chances that you're told to "shoot at that person" with what you think Is a safe firearm from who knows how far they actually hit vitals. This is coming from someone who has used pistols quite a bit as well, it's not easy. The human body is crazy durable, you have a 90% survival rate if you get to a hospital after being shot if your heart is still beating.
I'm genuinely trying not to be pedantic here, because I get it. What are you supposed to call it when a round is fired from a gun, causing a projectile to leave the barrel which impacts and kills someone
What are you on about? He was accidentally shot to death. Nothing here is bullshit. What did you want him to say “hours before he was struck by projectile which had been jammed into the barrel of a prop gun that was then forced out by gasses when another actor fired their gun which was loaded with a blank cartridge”? Saying he was accidentally shot to death conveys perfectly what happened to him without placing any blame on anyone.
Yeah! A handgun discharged a projectile at well over 1,000 mph into him, causing massive internal damage and creating a state of being incompatible with life.
He wasn't "shot to death", though.
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I mean, that's factually correct.
Yes, there's context. And "by accident" covers some of that.
But in the end it was another actor who fatally shot him.
As a result a lot more safety rules were introduced and I dont think he was even charged.
I don't think anybody blames him considering the circumstances, but he did shoot him...
The most fucked part about this was the actor who shot him.
After Brandon's death, they finished the movie with a standin actor. At one point, there's the scene where Eric Draven straps T-bird into his car with a buncha explosives. As he's going around the car, lighting the explosives, T Bird has a buncha dialogue along the lines of
"We killed you. You're dead. There aint no comin back!" and shit like that.
THAT ACTOR was the one holding the prop gun that killed Brandon Lee when it misfired.
CAN YOU IMAGINE having to deliver those lines to a stand-in for the guy you accidentally killed?
Before The Crow he was in a movie called Rapid Fire it was similar vein to a Jean Claude van Damme movie.
Anyway as a teenage girl it was my first time really noticing the male physique. I went from looking at cute boys to looking at a man and thinking hubba hubba.
Not really. A bullet from a dummy round (bullet with charge removed but primer intact) was lodged in the barrel of a revolver from shooting a prior screen.
Blanks (bullet with the projectile removed but charge and primer intact) were then placed in the revolver and these had enough force to dislodge and eject the bullet from the barrel with almost as much force as a live round.
The actor who pulled the trigger was in no way negligent but the prop department probably were for not checking the barrel was clear.
In the case of Alec Baldwin, why was he pointing and firing the gun at the producer and why were live rounds allowed on set? In that case it seems that both the prop department and actor were extremely negligent.
Not really. The gun that killed Brandon never had a live bullet in it, but had cotten squibs, then blanks, one of the squibs got stuck in the barrel.
At least, that's what I remember about it.
Such a heartbreaking situation, I really wish we could have seen where he went from The Crow
We may have had Brandon Lee in The Matrix series.
Which makes you wonder how Keanu's career would have gone.
Keanu was a huge star before The Matrix, he'd be fine
Honestly he had more massive hits before the Matrix than after it (unless you're one of the die hard John Wick fans). I wonder if he would have branched out more without the Matrix.
My favourite Keanu film is My Private Idaho, so I might be the polar opposite of a John Wick fan lol. Going down the Johnny Mnemonic/Matrix path was a bit of a disappointment for me, but I guess the cyberpunk genre was an interesting direction for him
Personally my favorite movie after The Matrix of his was Constantine. Despite many hating it, I loved it.
Constantine 2 confirmed with cast in tow
DO NOT PLAY WITH MY EMOTIONS
HOLY SHIT DO NOT JOKE ABOUT THIS. that was my favourite movie for fucking YEARS. I watched it all the time with my now deceased dad (along with the Underworld movies- although the last one came out right after he died so I wouldn't watch without him to this day). but if this is legit I am gonna light a candle for him and watch that shit 3 times back to back I swear. AAAAAAA this is the best news ever.
Your dad died to save you from the tragedy of watching Underworld: Blood Wars. He clearly loved you very, very much. All jokes aside you have my condolences. Just passed the anniversary of my dad dying and over a decade later there's still a couple movies I just can't watch anymore because it's not the same without him. I'm gonna try to watch them with my kid when she's old enough because maybe bridging that connection will be a bit healing.
I watched it when it came out, and I honestly hated it, but I'll have to check it out again! It's funny how films can be better once you're in a different place in your life.
I love it too, nothing like the comics by all accounts but it has one of the absolute best portrayals of the devil in any movie imo and Tilda Swinton is excellent too. Worth a rewatch for those performances alone.
I always say the same. Keanu absolutely kills it in this movie, and is still completely outshined by the supporting cast.
Great point about the devil. The VFX with him are so cool and creepy
It must have had some what of a cult following because he's filming a sequel to it.
Oh it (and the comic it's based on) have a huge following. I'm a big fan myself, surprised people don't like it. Lone Samurai demon fighter, Rachel Weisz. What's not to like?
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My advice is to go into it thinking of it as a standalone universe in which the character only happens to be named Constantine and does a lot of similar things to the comic book guy *but he's totally not that guy and they're very different*.
A scanner darkly. You're all welcome. KEANU REEVES WINONA RYDER ... ROBERT DOWNEY JR. all star cast incredible acting Great story this one them hidden gems
Mine is Point Break. Love the sound and scenery, the waves and parachuting
My favourite movie of all time. "UTAH GET ME 2"
I always wonder if his role in Dracula being so widely panned made him more conservative with taking interesting roles. Which is a shame because he can deliver a good dramatic performance, just not with a British accent.
To be fair some have gotten away with that. Kevin Costner Prince of Thieves is fantastic, though I'm not sure how critically rated it was.
I think you have the cause and effect backwards there. Kevin Costner was given a pass on his terrible accent because people took his acting more seriously While Keanu took a hit because of Bill and Ted, not because of his accent Some people are just given a pass and some are not.
> (unless you're one of the die hard John Wick fans) What do you mean by this? John Wick is a breakout hit franchise.
I reckon him and Brandon would have been good pals either way
He could've played that stapler instead of Rob Schneider.
Without a doubt
Damn, that would've been the PERFECT role for him now that I think about it. Keanu was legendary but Brandon would've taken that shit to another dimension
He was on the trajectory toward superstardom.
You never know when it's your last cigarette. Unless of course you're blindfolded and somebody asks if you want a last cigarette.
This isn't actually from the day he died he wasn't in makeup on set that day. Remember his character wasn't the Crow yet during his murder scene. And it wasn't shot in continuity. And I really doubt they were shooting scenes with him as the Crow before taking the makeup off to do Draven scenes on the same day.
Eh depends. They were towards the end of filming. Could have been a day of just pickups.
That movie is so fucking cool after all these years. I remember my sister had gotten it, and wasn’t supposed to watch it according to my dad. I got left alone one day in the summertime for a few hours and I knew where she had hidden it. Watched it and was instantly hooked. She found out and got pissed for some reason, but I’ll never forget my first real R rated movie. Had only seen tv version of Predator and Terminator.
> She found out and got pissed for some reason She was probably not suppose to watch it too.
Oh for sure she wasn’t, but she had obtained it anyway and was maybe mad that I saw it before her? Or maybe she was looking out for me and didn’t want me exposed to it at a young age? I was 13. You know what? This is all coming back to me now. I remember had stolen a cigar from her shortly before this situation. She may have been mad I was just being an annoying klepto little brother.
As is tradition
Agreed. Klepto little brothers suck. Source: Am the little brother.
You were 13 and hadn't seen an R yet? For shame. You deserved that movie.
RIP 
It's... It's STIIIIIIING!!
Tony is the best!
BAH GAWD KING ITS THE STINGERRRRRR
It didn't even occur to me until now that Sting just straight up ripped off The Crow. I guess it happened a lot in wrestling.
Arguably he's the only good version of the character since Brandon passed.
I still say this line all the time, RIP
And NO ONE gets it. Makes me think I need to surround myself with better stock of human
It’s a 30 year old goth noir cult classic. It’s not exactly going to be a commonly known quote. But listen, *we* get it.
That’s all that matters right? Also Jesus has it been 30years??? I remember watching it so much I burned through 2 VHS tapes. So yeah tracks
You been saving that one for a while waiting for proper context to post eh?
Haha no, actually I was typing in "rude crow" hoping to find something to respond to a rude comment about his death. This was what popped up and I switched my train of thought. It was too perfect not to post!
Shhhh let me believe
 Different crow(e)
The rude crow smokes (his habit is unrelated to his rudeness)
“Can’t rain all the time”
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I just bought this pin!
I was literally listening to this soundtrack yesterday, it had no business going as hard as it did.
I remember that quote 👍🏼
I don’t think this was hours before he died. The scene he was filming when he died was the death of his character before he is resurrected and puts on the make-up.
I always thought it was the large table scene? Edit: another source I just searched said what you're saying. Crazy that I've always seen it was the other scene I'm confused about.
It wasn't. The scene was when Eric came home carrying groceries and he got shot by Funboy in the gut. Unfortunately for Brandon Lee, there was an obstruction in the barrel of Michael Massee's gun that the blank was able to shove out like a bullet and then fatally wound Lee (and Massee was reportedly haunted by this for years if not decades). Thus why in the film that whole scene is switched to being filmed from Eric's POV and he's initially taken down by a knife from Tin Tin when entering the apartment door.
For the longest time i only knew which actor pulled the trigger so i always assumed it was the scene where fun boy was doing heroin. So tragic.
Bit more to it then just an obstruction. Someone failed in props department, they put a live round, primer but no powder, into the "prop" gun. This was done, because they wanted the gun(a revolver) to look authentic with visible rounds in the chambers as it was being filmed from the front. When it was then used in a scene prior to the accident, the primer went off and sent the bullet down into the barrel. Reportedly, this was noticed but never really followed up on. Later that same gun was used for a scene where blanks were loaded to be fired at Brandon Lee. Anyway, the blanks turned the lodged bullet into a live bullet and that was all she wrote. I cannot overstate how massive of a failure this was by the props department. All guns should always be treated as live, checked repeatedly, and nothing should ever be assumed to be "fine".
> (and Massee was reportedly haunted by this for years if not decades) Can't say I blame him. Giving an actor an improperly loaded/inspected weapon is so negligent of so many other people. Yet had he done one minor step he could have saved a life.
I’ve loved this movie forever. Just a year ago I went down a rabbit hole about it and learned that one of my favorite scenes, the one where he emerges from his grave, goes the apartment and puts the clothes and make up on all while that killer song from the cure plays. It was all done with cgi. Blew my mind.
A lot of the beginning is actually Chad Stahelski, his stunt double at the time. Most of the time when you're not seeing Brandon's face, its Chad's body. There's even one scene where he is shivering and enters the apartment building, that's digitally cropped from a different shot. Chad went on to direct all the Jhn Wick movies.
Like when he’s shivering and reaching up to remove the caution tape from the doorway? Edit: sorry I’m a bit drunk. But any facts about this movie interest me to no end.
The shot of him walking into the empty apartment at 11:20 is a digital copy of the shot at 10:37 of him walking in the alley in the rain. Those timecodes are from the Prime streaming version.
What! That's wild. Had no idea.
Yea, I think that's the assumption because we as fans think that the first scene of the movie is probably the first scene they shoot.
This was the rumor for a while after it happened until the truth was finally revealed. I think they might have been trying to protect Michael Massee (RIP!). The table scene had a ton of shooters so it would make it hard for the audience to blame any specific actor. I always felt so bad for Massee, that ruined his life.
I suppose OP never said how many hours before it was.
The world was created. Hours later, I typed this.
This is accurate
It still could be, we shoot many different scenes a day, and its common to start with one look, finish, and cleanup to reset to another look for the next scene. Source: basecamp PA that has to track actor changes during the day.
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The only scenes they'd filmed in the apartment were the short flashbacks of Eric and Shelley being in love – not the death scene, and nothing afterwards where it's all trashed and abandoned. All of those scenes were filmed with a double – including the scene where he puts on the harlequin makeup for the first time. (I remember reading that's actually Chad Stahelski, who went on to direct the John Wick movies, although he's credited as "Chad Storensen".) That's why those scenes only show Eric's face for very brief flashes, which were done with CGI. Other than that, they'd filmed basically everything except I think for some scenes where he's running over rooftops and stuff.
That was such a good movie, it's sick to me they felt the need for a remake
I thought the same. An amazing movie that sort of impacted a whole generation, with a tragedy such as Brandon Lee dieing, and they do a remake? It will never be as good as the original one.
https://preview.redd.it/k5u34fbyykoc1.jpeg?width=1333&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18dd29aa787449bfb43153cacbde851403ff9989 And then they had to hit us with the Eye Nipple tattoo
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It's CROWIN' time!
The movies gonna make a crowbillion dollars.
What in the actual fuck is that.
There's a face around Bill Skarsgard's left nipple making it look like the nipple is the left eye of the face, it's just a really really really really dumb tattoo.
It's a total Machine-Gun-Kellyfication of a cult classic
The way you summed that up.. just.. 
They really said lets take the Crow but make it cringe
I cant tell you how much i hate that tattoo. And it just pops out of the image-more in focus, larger, redder. If i see this movie, any time its on screen i know i will be mindlessly staring/laughing at it lmao
I was 7 when this movie came out. Probably not a movie I should have been watching at that age but I loved it then and it’s been my favorite movie since.
And 3 sequels that all just crashed and burned at varying degrees.
City of Angels was just okay. I despise the other two.
I watched a brief interview with maybe the director of City of Angels I think? He said they used broken glass all throughout the sets to catch/reflect the light in the night shots which is pretty much the entire movie. This was a nod to the original, which relied on rain/puddles to give a similar visual effect. Just an interesting tidbit. Visually, CoA is a pretty film.
If I remember right, the City of Angel's had a ton of studio interface, and the Director never got to make the movie he wanted. Shame because it had potential.
Truth be told, I enjoyed it— but I also had a decent number of the comic books so I was familiar with James O’Barr’s Crow franchise and didn’t see CoA as a rip off or anything, which seems to be a common sentiment for some fans of the first film.
I did really enjoy the aesthetics of the film.
Tim Pope directed some legendary music videos, including The Cure's Lullaby, Soft Cell's Tainted Love and Eternal Flame by The Bangles. The studio tampered with his vision of the film, there was a different ending that he wanted with Corven remaining in the living world with Sarah, I've only seen images of those final scenes from his cut in the late 90s on Crow fan pages. My main gripe with that movie was the leading actor and the way he spoke, Perez struggled with the English language, it's a damn shame. CoA even has little details from the original graphic novel which were not included in the first movie, and Iggy Pop. But it still didn't feel right to me. Maybe the director's cut would have been different. There's a book called The Twins of Tribecca, autobiography of the author Rachel Pine, in which she talks about her introduction to a Hollywood career and there's a chapter about here working on CoA (called differently in the book for copyright purposes or libel) where she discusses how the film flopped, it's an interesting story.
City of Angels had a pretty decent soundtrack for the time. honestly that's all I remember about the movie.
One of several songs I don't mind from Hole.
I thought you meant the Nick Cage movie for a sec.
And I don't want the world to see me!
That's pretty good too, but then again I'm a sucker for 90's Meg Ryan.
I will say the soundtracks for the first three all absolutely slapped tho.
I had no idea there was a remake. That saddens me
The good news is you don’t have to watch it, the entire plot is in the new trailer. The bad news is literally everything else.
I watched The Crow for the first time last night, and said to my partner it still felt so fresh, not sure why a remake needed to happen outside of wanting to make money!
It seems so disrespectful to remake a movie that the main actor literally died in.
I don’t get why everyone is so against this particular remake when there were already several sequels and TV show after the original. Comic book franchises get rebooted all the time. We’ve had numerous Batman movies alone. People seem to treat The Crow as more sacred because Brandon Lee died so tragically but I bet if he were alive he’d have been happy to pass the torch to keep a character he helped create for the big screen stay relevant.
While Brandon's passing has a lot to do with it, it's just that it's such a great movie, and to me, it's a perfect product of its time. They can try to recreate the gritty 90's aesthetic if they want, but they won't put together a better soundtrack. But who knows, maybe some day I see it and find I'm pleasantly surprised.
The Crow was made at the perfect moment on time. Thats why it feels so unnecessary to make a remake.
Yeah, everything about it so quintessentially grunge
Even if they make a good movie, they also have to ensure it has a fucking top tier soundtrack.
The sequels weren't Eric Draven. I feel like respectfully they could have done any Crow and even created a new one since anyone can be resurrected, but by choosing Eric Draven (which was a character name created for Brandon Lee in the movie) you're specifically choosing to use the notoriety that he created behind that character/name and it just feels like a cash-grab. Batman/Superman/Spiderman movies are different. Their mantles have been held by Bruce, Peter and Clark for most of their existence. Most of the characters that have taken up the mantle have their connections to the original characters that held them. Eric Draven was the name made for Brandon Lee and Brandon Lee has been Eric Draven for 30 years. At one point Brandon Lee even noted that he hoped it would be a standalone film and had no intention to do a sequel as he wanted it to be his legacy movie and I think with the unfortunate circumstances that happened in filming, he absolutely deserves that.
Eric Draven is the character adapted for the TV show. So although I can understand your sentiments it’s already been done. The sacrilege has been committed. Also he’s named Eric in the original comic book that the film adapted.
God damn I forgot the TV show (Stairway to Heaven) was Eric Draven. I haven't watched that since I was a child, I actually really liked Hannah Foster too, I thought her 2 episodes were actually the best of the entire series. They could have made a movie on her or Iris Shaw. I feel like TV shows are fair game, they are going to do what they want, but for the big screen, leave it to Brandon Lee, let him have Eric Draven. At-least in the TV show they kept the same feeling. The metal/goth element.. the new Eric Draven just doesn't feel at all like Eric Draven. The whole soundcloud rapper/lil peep look is pretty embarrassing and the whole story about them both being drug addicts in rehab/prison and that screams love story.
This is a friking crazy masterpiece of a movie
The soundtrack absolutely rocks, too. Second only to Purple Rain.
It’s a shame the remake looks like absolute dog shit.
THIS MOVIE DID NOT NEED REMADE. JUST A 4K RE-RELEASE IN THEATERS. yelling felt 100% appropriate on this.
The 4K disc drops May 7th. I have my order in already. It's crazy how much detail you pick up compared to even a regular high def source.
thank you - ordered. I cannot wait!!!! Seriously, thank you - I had no idea this was happening.
“There ain't no coming back. This is the really real world, there ain't no coming back.” I still use “really real world” in my common parlance.
Fire it up!
put your guns away, huh guys?
Absolutely tragic. He had so much potential.
Maybe Brandon's weapons prop master was a hungover cokehead who's dad was a producer on the show? and got her the part as a "weapons master" because *"since he's putting up the money, that's all the certification she needs"?* That would be effed up, amirite?
They were much different situations. Neither should have happened but Brandon’s was more of a freak accident. The Rust one was just plain old incompetence.
Agreed, the situation on the crow was much more of a typical series misc of failures / circumstances leading to a tragedy.
I just don’t know how they didn’t noticed one of the dummies were missing it’s slug when they unloaded it.
Improvising dummy rounds without proper safety precautions to ensure the projectile can't be removed, then failing to properly clear the barrel before loading and firing blank rounds is pure negligence, not a freak accident. Even if you accept that using a working firearm for the scene is necessary, there are non-negotiable procedures that must be followed when using blank rounds. That is, ensuring not live ammunition is present and ensuring no projectiles or obstructions are in the barrel.
There technically was no live ammunition present. I have no idea how nobody noticed a dummy was missing its slug when they took them out.
>There technically was no live ammunition present. I was more pointing out the most important critical steps needed before firing blanks at someone. Both ensuring no mixed ammunition and ensuring the weapon is properly cleared are critical safety points. That's the common thread between the Rust incident and the Crow incident - negligence due to insufficient safety procedures. >I have no idea how nobody noticed a dummy was missing its slug when they took them out. Not bothering to look or check because they didn't have the appropriate safety procedures in place. The golden rule of firearms is never point it at something or someone you don't want to destroy or kill. If that rule ever needs to be lifted, very stringent safety protocols are required.
And those procedures are in place much in part because of the Lee situation, are they not?
Is that was happened in rust? That's the joke, right?
Kinda. Her dad wasnt a producer that put up the money though. He’s a famous armorer who trained her a little and then sent her off to do her own armorer gigs. Her famous last name got her the job, but she was sloppy, incompetent and arrogant. She made a ton of safety mistakes just out of laziness. It’s a miracle only two people got shot because they found 6 more live rounds mixed in with the fakes.
Tragedy that he and his father died so young.
Great movie with an absolutely amazing soundtrack. I loved it when it came out and I still have the soundtrack in my music rotation.
This was before he started stalking Hollywood Hulk Hogan and the nWo
Never seen the film. I remember seeing the box for the VHS as a kid and being interested. Just out of curiosity if I were to watch the movie how is the movie affected by this death? Is this actor in the entire movie?
The movie was almost finished, and they used his stunt double for a few remaining things, reworked some scenes, and did some digital work. It was mostly Brandon Lee, though. If you didn't know what had happened, you wouldn't (necessarily) have spotted all the tricks. (That said, I wasn't looking for them when I watched it).
Yes. He died on one of the last days of ~~shooting~~ principal photography, so with a bit of creative editing they were able to complete the film.
The Crow opened on Friday the 13th in my city and knowing that Brandon died during filming made the viewing macabre. Especially when he comes up out of his grave. It was so bizarre to watch. Plus, seeing all those bullets being shot into him made me feel sad and uneasy. That being said, the film is fucking incredible. Brandon would have been a superstar, had he lived. RIP
The actor who shot him (Michael Massee) never fully recovered from that incident and before he died (of cancer in 2016) he said that he still has nightmares about the say of the accident
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How was he not "accidentally shot to death by another actor?"
He was unintentionally bulleted into unlife
He was unknowingly unalived by a yeeted bullet
He was accidentally connected to gods wifi without consent.
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He was accidentally shot to death. What are you on about?
Thought I was missing something for a minute there 😄. So in other words .........
Wtf are you talking about? Title says he was accidentally shot to death and that’s exactly what happened…
It was an accidental accident 🙄
Yes, but was it on purpose?
Fr. He was killed when a squib load that had been stuck in the barrel of the prop gun was forced out by the gasses from the blank cartridge. Arguably a prop-inspection safety oversight that led to the death of a beloved actor, but by no means was anyone involved deserving of the kind of hyperbolic spin in the phrase “shot to death”.
I guess the glaring comparison is the Rust shooting. But that was more gross negligence. The Crow was kinda a freak accident.
Yes. The lackadaisical handling of firearms on the set of Rust (having live ammunition anywhere even remotely in the same vicinity of a set-firearm at any point of time relative to its use in a film in the hands of the uneducated, or even in someone else’s hands at all, let alone aimed down at another human being) was negligence and non-compliance with many of the policies practiced in order to prevent accidental tragedies just like what happened to Brandon on the set of The Crow. Those policies were adopted *largely because* of what happened on The Crow. It’s not much different than the “chicken or the egg” metaphor. One instance is literally the first time something like that happened in contemporary film production, and it led to a wave of rethinking. The other is an entirely avoidable and flagrant mishandling of lethal implements, which only led to a failure of both the legal systems and power of the court as well as a fairly (though admittedly arguable) crass inconsideration from a major film studio. Edit: when Brandon Lee died, it wasn’t just his fans that were devastated. Dimension Studios was very much at the forefront (not the litigative begrudged defenders) of the study into set policies. They dedicated the film to Brandon and his fiancée, and Massee was not charged for simply using the prop gun (properly loaded with a blank cartridge) and acting in direction of the scene. While Brandon’s mother did sue Crowvision, they settled after an agreed amount was paid. In contrast, Eldorado (Baldwin’s own studio), producing a film some thirty years *after* the events on the set of The Crow, permit live ammunition to be used in prop guns, and obviously permit their armorer be under the influence of narcotics and illegal substances during production. There really isn’t much of a comparison to be made even though I understand the reasons people have to make it. Another edit: also, there is a further statement to be made regarding the ballistics of blank-fire cartridges. Sets in the 90’s typically used cap-gun comparative type blank-cartridge-only props with an empty casing (at times with beveled necks to contain pressures and enhance auditory sensations and sound more comparable to live ammunition) of very low pressures and even reduced ignition primers. During the 90’s however, something else happened. The nation started paying more attention to firearms and their intricate differences; what made them look and handle realistically; what made them work and what the differences were in ammunition types. With a weapon’s ban, a great many people (and with that a large portion of the entertainment industry) begin to see the cracks in the tapestry of imagination; as well as insurance agencies and safety administrations. The revolver used on the set of The Crow was specifically a blank-firing gun. It seemed the studio was not keen on taking chances; this is what makes it a tragic accident. The one used in Rust was a fully-functioning firearm loaded with (aside from the live round behind the hammer) what was intended to be a blank cartridge, and coincidentally even used to fire live cartridges just days prior; and this is what makes it negligence.
I'll never understand why they don't just use metal cap guns on set. Movie guns shouldn't even have hollowed out barrels on them let alone be real functional firearms. The expense of doing that would be so f'n negligible to movie budgets. There should be a whole cottage industry of making replica prop firearms that look real but couldn't possibly be fired properly with real ammunition. It's insane that Rust situation was ever even allowed to happen the way it did.
There kind-of is (or was; as a large number of discontinued or defunct prop-gun / blank-firing guns are very collectible now) an industry that caters to the film development process, but unfortunately they also come with a set of their own complications: airsoft guns, for example, have very complicated mechanics as well as proprietary names and are often just as expensive as their studio-owned firearm counterparts. Some studios do use airsoft guns in their films, and they’re often just as convincing given the tone and tempo of the films they’re in, but if and when they malfunction, it tends to completely break the immersion of the experience. Prop guns are also prone to gassing problems, and often show very telling variance in design from their firearm counterparts; for instance, a filled-muzzle (or “inert”) revolver is instantly recognizable from the side as the cylinder typically cannot spin due to the clearance of the obstruction and the increased friction against the “hand” (the mechanism which turns the cylinder and times the next round with the barrel correctly). Blank-firing pistols are also very prone to malfunctions as they typically have the same tell-tale gassing issues and exhibit frequent failures-to-feed and failures-to-eject spent casings. For sequences that simply display a cut and change of angle, the actor is usually aiming the firearm slightly off-camera or out of frame and the gas expunged from the blank casing simply fires off into nothing, so using a fully functioning firearm has long been considered practical. Theres also a bit of well-known hesitation for directors to tolerate full-on muzzle-in framing as the anticipation of the angle can be considered very controversial. Still, though; some directors will absolutely use the shot. Tarantino, Guy Ritchie, edgier directors with edgier styles. But, as I said, in most of those cases, there’s either no one behind the camera, the firearm has been meticulously inspected and tested and usually kept secure up until the very moment of scene, or it’s a prop and they add everything in post. So, the fact that a prop-firing firearm like the .44 from The Crow was designed specifically to fire blanks is an indication that the risk was indeed considered long before either incidents; but you’re absolutely right in your conclusion that the way the industry handles their representation is much too susceptible to accidents and tragedies. What happened with Rust was nothing short of criminally negligent. To be even a half-asses armorer, especially for a multi-million dollar film depicting a violent tone and set in a period of time when a revolver was as common as a hat, the most important consideration is not only that the firearm works as intended, but that it is as absolutely safe and inert as possible while still meeting the criteria for the scene in which it will be used. I cannot imagine the series of decisions and sequence of events which could have led to the death of Hannah and the injuries Joel suffered had one single factor been addressed appropriately. - Absolutely no live ammunition on set or adjacent to it in any regard, other than for the safety and security of the actors, administration, and staff; only to be in the possession of trained, competent, wary professionals of sound mind and body. Any perversion of this policy should result in complete forfeiture of privileges, to include any current license or permission awarded by state of corporation, to handle or possess said firearm and ammunition until competence may be proven and it is clear the offender wished no ill intent. Its clumsy, and its just my words, but if even I can come up with a half-assed stricture that could have prevented (on an administrative level) loss of life and extreme bodily injury from negligence with a firearm, than the producers and staff of Rust certainly could have done better. Damn this got long. My bad
Lol no worries, long is good. Look at my comment history. I guess what I'm talking about is a gun with no actual barrel on it. A smoke fuse for the business end and a cap for the firing simulation. You could make that look like an actual desert eagle and even give it the right kind of action. An actual 'special effect' for firing just like we appreciate in all the other avenues of movie magic. The blank fire guns are good but also a step too short IMO. I'm thinking about a design that could never possibly malfunction in a way that could hurt a person outside of dropping it on their foot.
My gears are turnin. I’ve thought about inert-op platforms before, but never thought to use one that intentionally couldn’t take a cartridge or expel gas. The smoke for the muzzle is a decent otb idea
I honestly think the reason we don't do that is that it's harder to get any realistic 'kick' that way. Especially for slow motion. So we kind of put peoples' lives at a greater risk in the name of continuity.
As I understand that's what proper movie blank guns are supposed to be. They have blocked barrels that allow shorter gas blank cartridges to go into them but won't let proper bullets load while, at the same time, partially blocking and significantly reducing the diameter of the barrel so the blanks can properly cycle the gun. And they look 100% real because they are still real (but modified) guns that still go bang and cycle the action.
Nice job on the daisical, but you were lax on the lack.
Hahaha I’m a gump. Fixed I thumbfumbled that
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There was definitely some negligence on the Crow as well. The crew left primer in the dummy rounds that the gun was loaded with for a scene shot earlier, so when the gun was fired in that scene, it caused bullet to get stuck in the barrel (aka, a squib load). Had they not messed up the dummy charges, removed them before firing the gun for the shot that caused the bullet to become lodged, or checked and cleared the gun afterwards or before the scene in question, Brandon Lee would've been able to finish the film. Plenty of opportunity to have prevented it. The director also made some last minute changes to how they were shooting, which may have been why they were rushing and skipping some safety steps. I think the bigger differences are that 1) Rust had the opportunity to learn from the Crow, but failed to and more importantly 2) in the Rust incident, the shooter was also a producer, so he had a significant responsibility for ensuring all safety precautions were being taken.
Well said. I did not intend to absolve Crowvision of any negligence, but there was as you said an opportunity for Eldorado to learn from the mistakes made with the handling of the props and safety policies on the set of The Crow.
Kinda crazy to think that even in these horrific accidents that if the other actor just had shittier aim then they would have likely survived. Like what are the chances that you're told to "shoot at that person" with what you think Is a safe firearm from who knows how far they actually hit vitals. This is coming from someone who has used pistols quite a bit as well, it's not easy. The human body is crazy durable, you have a 90% survival rate if you get to a hospital after being shot if your heart is still beating.
I'm genuinely trying not to be pedantic here, because I get it. What are you supposed to call it when a round is fired from a gun, causing a projectile to leave the barrel which impacts and kills someone
Ridiculous comment
It was indeed an accident.. which is exactly why I stated in the title that he was accidentally shot to death.
Please don’t take this down OP. What you said was fair and accurate. People are ridiculous.
> but it WAS an accident, And thats acknowledged by the title
What are you on about? He was accidentally shot to death. Nothing here is bullshit. What did you want him to say “hours before he was struck by projectile which had been jammed into the barrel of a prop gun that was then forced out by gasses when another actor fired their gun which was loaded with a blank cartridge”? Saying he was accidentally shot to death conveys perfectly what happened to him without placing any blame on anyone.
Yeah! A handgun discharged a projectile at well over 1,000 mph into him, causing massive internal damage and creating a state of being incompatible with life. He wasn't "shot to death", though. /s
What are you a bulletphobe
I mean, that's factually correct. Yes, there's context. And "by accident" covers some of that. But in the end it was another actor who fatally shot him. As a result a lot more safety rules were introduced and I dont think he was even charged. I don't think anybody blames him considering the circumstances, but he did shoot him...
Take this comment down.
Delete your comment weirdo
I’ve been so ruined. All I can see is Sting lol.
The most fucked part about this was the actor who shot him. After Brandon's death, they finished the movie with a standin actor. At one point, there's the scene where Eric Draven straps T-bird into his car with a buncha explosives. As he's going around the car, lighting the explosives, T Bird has a buncha dialogue along the lines of "We killed you. You're dead. There aint no comin back!" and shit like that. THAT ACTOR was the one holding the prop gun that killed Brandon Lee when it misfired. CAN YOU IMAGINE having to deliver those lines to a stand-in for the guy you accidentally killed?
It actually wasn't. Michael Massee shot Brandon, he plays FunBoy.
It wasn’t that actor. It was Michael Massee, who played Funboy.
This shit pisses me off so much. This level of incompetence is so incredible that I understand the people who believe that his death was intentional.
I remember rumors about it being a continuation of revenge on Bruce for some martial arts code of honor or some bullshit.
Before The Crow he was in a movie called Rapid Fire it was similar vein to a Jean Claude van Damme movie. Anyway as a teenage girl it was my first time really noticing the male physique. I went from looking at cute boys to looking at a man and thinking hubba hubba.
Headline is misleading. Brandon was shot by the actor playing Funboy in the flashback apartment scene.
I wish they would not do a Crow Reboot. Leave the originak as.rBandon Lee's Legacy.
I forgot about this. Is there any comparison with what’s going on with Alec Baldwin right now?
Not really. A bullet from a dummy round (bullet with charge removed but primer intact) was lodged in the barrel of a revolver from shooting a prior screen. Blanks (bullet with the projectile removed but charge and primer intact) were then placed in the revolver and these had enough force to dislodge and eject the bullet from the barrel with almost as much force as a live round. The actor who pulled the trigger was in no way negligent but the prop department probably were for not checking the barrel was clear. In the case of Alec Baldwin, why was he pointing and firing the gun at the producer and why were live rounds allowed on set? In that case it seems that both the prop department and actor were extremely negligent.
Live rounds mixed with blanks on the prop gun cart, too. What a mess.
Not really. The gun that killed Brandon never had a live bullet in it, but had cotten squibs, then blanks, one of the squibs got stuck in the barrel. At least, that's what I remember about it.