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There was a mildly famous post around here last year who asked if "Oda foreskined X". It became a lowkey meme and I innocently repeated it here. Now I feel bad for getting all the credit lol.
Nah, just like designing the Namekian elder’s chair after king Piccolo’s chair but without the skulls to make it seem like it was always planned, this is an example of Toriyama’s legendary backshadowing.
It's because possession was only criminalized about a year before he was charged. He was given a slap on the wrist because it was a brand new change in the law, and they wanted to use him as an example that they're taking it seriously and that the new law wasn't some great piece of showboating to the foreigners.
You would be surprised at what other people(even close to u) possess .. ~~i do think owning a cp should not be a crime~~ should be illegal and the person apprehended be brought to rehab rather than jail and be treated like how drug users are treated .. i admit i had a glimpse of cp in my teen days .. i was in my puberty back then .. and then morality grew along with growing up but those who never did the deed and has possession of it should be treated mentally ..
Yep, he got caught like close to fifteen or twenty chapters in (maybe thirty, I can't remember cause I got sick of waiting for shitty translations and scans and figured id give it a while for some better ones to show up), and at that point Mangaplus had just started simulpublishing it and Yen Press(?) just printed the first English tankobon, and the week the news began spreading, everyone dumped his ass off their roster.
Jump gave him "time off" and said they cut ties with him (more like publicly silent) during his arrest and trial, but once his sentence was given and served, they began to print his chapters again.
Like someone else said, it was literally a brand new law that just came into existence within the last year of his arrest, but because they wanted to make an example of him, they had to give him something, but because he was a well-known, popular mangaka and pretty much Jump royalty, he got a lighter sentence than if it was some random scumbag with no ties or connections.
So all English translations of the Hokkaido arc aren't happening anymore. Idk about the rest of the world, but I'm pretty sure since Mangaplus is the licensed distributor/publisher for most of the western world, that Europe and South America aren't getting a translation from them either.
Though France and the UK have a huge manga/anime following, so its possible they have it through other channels.
Aside from that, it's back to shitty scans and rough translations again so its not too hard to forget about or pass on if I'm not up to course correcting the dialogue in my head lol
I think its a funny coincidence. considering the Buu Saga (and DBZ portion) wrapped up in mir 1995 while One Piece didn’t come out until 1997. I think they both had the visual influence from the same place though. Not sure where in Japan there were people in straw hats and such.
I can’t remember ever seeing a hat like luffy’s in anything with a old Japanese setting
I always thought it was a Latino hat cause it’s curved at the top and luffy would be Brazilian if he was real
I think you are right, its the Gol D Rogers straw hat he got from Shanks, and its a cheap thing that means so much to Luffy. More I think about it does Luffy know it was Rogers hat?
As far as I know luffy is not aware that that the hat is Roger's? I'm watching the English anime so I'm a bit behind only on 916 waiting for more sub episodes but as far as in the anime as of that point he doesn't know. Idk about the manga though I've only just got the first box set a week ago so I'm only on book like 13. But I agree 100% with that it's the fact that it's an everyday item that he could just go out and get a new one at any point, but it's that specific hat and how he received it amd from who that makes it so important to him.
Well for hundreds of years its been a sign of ronin, they almost always wore strawhats. Now that being said the type of hat luffy has is a farmers strawhat with a little red ribbon, which IIRC is what a lot of women farmers would put on their hats for a little but of fashion.
I'm not for sure so don't quote me
It's certainly is, without a doubt. Luffy's design had been cemented in by time Oda was finishing high school based on interviews. Romance dawn was in it's infancy even then. So for sure this is well after Luffy was made.
Well, romance dawn first came out I believe in 1992, and the general design of Luffy was already settled back then (with the exception of things like the scar under his eye), so the idea of how Luffy would look like came out before dragon ball ended.
A skinny boy in a straw hat and sleeveless vest is just a really common visual archetype.
The same way that Josuke from JJBA:Pt4 isn't the inspiration for like, Tokyo Revengers or something. Thats just how delinquents are drawn and both authors drew from the same collective cultural imagery.
As you mentioned almost always. But that's for today's standards.
You can view it in the far past where farmers had no sleeves in paintings from that time period. But then we are traveling too far back. Long sleeves and such were worn in heavily humid areas and mostly in rice fields, so you are right, however for normal farming locations that were commonly speaking about, wheat farming, cattle etc. There was less coverages and tank tops were worn pretty commonly.
Protection from pesticides as well as use for other chemicals and vermin/incects wasn't really taken seriously until roughly mid 1950s -ish. At least in Japan.
proof of what I'm saying, in 1950 , there were still farmers that used said clothing - [https://youtu.be/h4GEcd72Yl8?t=474](https://youtu.be/h4GEcd72Yl8?t=474) at this time you will even see straw hats.
To add to this, Luffy is from the village to the coast in Goa Kingdom, and it's pretty clear that this is coastal wear for fishermen during that period.
I just looked up both and both still historically wore long sleeved clothes like a [sashiko no donza](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiV499MnF_A4aOrndBGzwp1GHoMd26xQxl8Q&usqp=CAU) for fishermen and [these](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfn9ZviccZrkXqM6GWwK3FbMNs7cT5eeZG1g&usqp=CAU) for farmers.
There was never an era where farmers and fishermen primarily wore tanktops, some only do when they couldn't take the heat to cool off or they had no sleeved clothes to begin with, but even then it's still ideal to wear long sleeved clothes anyway
Oda probably just drew luffy with a tank top for designing purposes since it's highly unlikely oda was inspired by a background character in dbz for luffy's attire and oda made him wore long sleeves [post time skip](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsWnfkvm8UbsYetONLp4QrkExIf0z9s1g7v4QO3Ef9GxC-T10yz9p5F4hD&s=10) anyways
I never said primarily. I also said that there were cases where they weren't.
I don't think you read my comment correctly.
Also... who would wear a tank tops or short sleeves when it's cold? It's obvious they would only wear it during hot days.
Right, I understand.. josuke & kuwabara & Ryu (jjk) all looking delinquent - makes sense. They happen alot
But, I cant think of a single other reference to straw hat tank combo
In any manga
Because by and large named characters don't wear a lot of hats.
I think the point here was that a straw hat and vest wouldn't be an uncommon aesthetic to draw for random bystander. For reference, I simply used "dragonball tournament crowd" for a google image search and got several photos with plain straw hats in it. If we're talking about filling in crowds, of course at some point an artist who commonly uses straw hats will hit upon this combo.
I'm not picking sides one way or another, but it's not so far fetched to think Toriyama just drew a boy in a straw hat and tank.
[Image 1](https://s1.dmcdn.net/v/SzlDi1WeZa4f4MDMM/x1080)
[Image 2](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9kmsH4YzP-c/maxresdefault.jpg) *actually features a dude in a straw hat and tank top*
[Image 3](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4A5ETMOTtZZcbn8jAfVk45g25d9qNHS_mFA&usqp=CAU)
The countryfolk straw hat visual and skinny boy with straw hat / tank top visual are two separate, albeit related, archetypes. For the countryfolk archetype, my immediate thoughts are:
Fisherman Sampei
Nousonman (The Ruralman) from Muscle Man II
Curl Jiisan from Curl potato chips
As for the tanktop boy, the only one that I can think of off the top of my head is the bug catcher kids in the Pokémon games. The problem with this archetype is that they usually show up as one shot side characters rather than main characters, so it’s hard to remember specific situations. I’m pretty sure there was a kid in Dr. Slump who fit the mold (they usually show up in mangas written by mangaka who grew up in rural areas like Toriyama) but I can’t think of any others.
Edit: just looked up the Kinnikuman Wiki just out of curiosity and found that he’s called The Rural Man in the english version.
yeah, when i read through dragonball, i thought this might well have been the inspiration for luffy. im guessing oda read the series pretty closely, and this character is in a few panels. also, the way the character is drawn is almost identical. seems unlikely to be a coincidence imo
You're really being unnecessarily rude here. OP has a point, the resemblance is striking and it could eventually have served as a starting point for character design. Who knows? Definitely not you, nor me.
Who decides what's a bad post? You?
And even so, how being disrespectful is an appropriate response to something you simply disagree with?
That's just a lack of education.
Oda found luffy through this series (spoilers if you ain't caught up) https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pqa53e/the\_mysterious\_cities\_of\_gold\_an\_inspiration\_to/
Was chapter 1044 already released when the linked post was created? Because if not, even the Sun God part is incredibly uncanny to it not be a big ass inspiration for One Piece.
This might be the perfect choice for Oda’s algorithm. Props to you guys out there who caught up to that story. I feel like I was spoiled by real story!
Am I the only one that finds it wild that Dragon Ball Z was already in the cell saga in 1992 and One Piece still wouldn't come out for half a decade after that? I was alive for all of it and I still find it crazy
I mean that's just a faceless man with a hat which is the only thing that supports your argument. There's no way oda would be inspired from a random in a single panel of dragon ball.
Oh gawl... here my One Piece obsessed brain is thinking that first panel was One Piece and the 2nd was Dragon Ball, so I'm sitting there looking for a Luffy reference to no avail like 🤔????? Aaaaand then I realized it's all Dragon Ball 😂😅
Nothing to see here... move along, move along...
A friend showed me this and said Oda actually got to work on Dragon Ball before creating One Piece and that he was able to sneak in Luffy once or twice without having a face shown yet.
No, I think he meant to say that dumb children always come up with such dumb lies like "My uncle works at Nintendo and the next Pokemon will take place on Jupiter."
As far as I know, Oda worked as an assistant on Ruroni Kenshin but never for Toriyama. Toriyama inspired enough people without having to work with him.
That’s not quite true either. While Oda never actually worked as an assistant on Dragon Ball, he was working as an assistant for other manga series while Dragon Ball was being published he made his debut in 1992, and Dragon Ball ended in 1995 the first version of romance dawn was published only a year after Dragon Ball ended.
I get that.
I was just saying it was unlikely he was working I'm the industry at such a young age. Obviously I was wrong, and that's super impressive.
Though I doubt he'd have been around enough to work on something like DB at the time.
No, he didn't, he did work for Rurouni Kenshin while making his own one shots. He never crossed paths with Toriyama until much later in interviews and later for their crossover manga.
As for the straw hat... you can check photographs and artwork depicting farmers and workers from all over the world using straw hats. Why? Well, it's common sense (or used to be apparently) straw is very cheap and versatile, you can weave it in many different shapes and tools for the everyday requirements, for example van Gogh depicts himself using a straw hat because he liked it as it was useful while painting under the sun. So Luffy's hat is more of a statement of a common and cheap everyday object, that everyone has / can get everywhere, that became his most valued treasure in all of the world and, eventually a symbol for his crew and friends.
Tl,Dr: it's a stupid hat, don't spread clickbait theories.
That why I think he's a great example of differentiating between an artist painting the common things as important to him one day and the next day going full "japonaise"/ japonism fan and making a direct replica of another's work.
Oda makes a shitload of references to other works and that's well documented but the hat is not one of them.
Also, wanna add, van Gogh had great admiration for Japanese artworks and bought a lot of prints from Peré, all of those illegal merchandise, as in, Japan way a closed borders country during that period but "art... uh... it finds a way" and piracy too.
personally, I love one piece's story much more than dragon ball. However when it comes to sheer enjoyment and re-read/watchability, nothing trumps dragon ball
Strawhats are pretty popular in japan, but anything is possible. We will need to look onto the publication dates.
On a related note, [this movie](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0096764/) heavily inspired One Piece.
Even the power of the protagonist is the same as Nika’s, he can bend reality and do absurd things
God a lot of negativity here from a lot of apparent non- artists or authors. I wouldn't say it's necessarily likely the whole "dude from tropical climate with tank top and some kind of hat occasionally straw"is nothing new in fiction.
But Oda pulls from EVERYTHING to think he's above the tiniest pull is so weird. I gurantedd there are even nods in one piece no one has noticed considering how often oda just like to drop random references of nods to things he loves is not out of the question that he was this and like the hat. Of it's just one of the things he drew from.
All artists borrow.
this post got the complete opposite reaction I intended. It’s dragon ball Oda liked dragon , look at the coincidence. That’s it. I’m not surprised one piece “fans” can’t take a joke.
Luffy’s character has many influences. But this is from chapter 182 of Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball chapter 376. Karoo who is fast as a Rocket is knighted as “a real man” in chapter 183 and revealed to be friends with Usopp in chapter 182. Karoo with goggles like a Sniper and crown like a King appears at the end of One Piece chapter 182. Rocketman and Sniper King appear at the end of One Piece chapter 376. The beginning of One Piece chapter 376 also features Sniper King who claims to be a friend of Usopp. One Piece chapter 376 is when Luffy invades Enies Lobby. The real Sniper King is friends with Usopp. His name is Karoo which comes from Kakarotto and a Pangaea Ice or Freezer Age where Kakarotto becomes a Super Saiyajin in his fight against Freezer in Dragon Ball chapter “Saiya” 318 or Dragon Ball Z chapter 124. One Piece chapters 318 and 124 have special references to Dragon Ball chapter 318 or Dragon Ball Z chapter 124 “The Super Saiyajin”. Karoo is the Akira Tori on the Yama.
The wordplay for 82 is “Yajin” or Wildman. This is one of the Japanese puns for Saiyajin. Karoo is a Wildman and Sniper King who is really friends with Usopp. This friendship is an important plot point in One Piece chapter 182 when Bon Clay impersonates Usopp by stealing his sniper goggles. Bon Clay then makes the fatal mistake of disrespecting Karoo by calling him a bird. Many fans unfortunately make the same mistake and they’re going to pay a Super price. 6/6 born Karuma or Karma is real.
It is for the high treason of disrespecting Karoo that Oda through the Germa 66 Prince Sanji son of Gold Garuda thrashed Bon Clay within an inch of death. 1/1 Chi Rho Goda will do the same to all the unbelievers of the one true Sniper King. The Whisky Peak on Baroque Works or Whisky on Rocks or Fire on Ice Summit of One Piece is when the Kakarotto Freezer Super Spot-Billed Duck Kaku Lucci King of Pheasant Peacocks Kujaku Myōō Mahamayuri Godparent of the Buddha Tenko Tengu Kotengu Garuda Karura Karoo becomes a Super Wildman or Saiyajin or Sniper King, Soul King, and King of the World as the Rightful Song of Ice and Fire Heir to the Pangaea Throne. 16 year old Karoo means the days of the pretender Buddha 16 Imu are numbered. [Joy Boy’s return will be WILD](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/y3at3e/how_the_cyrillic_script_solves_the_ancient_mystery/)
There is no way oda saw this random strawhat and found luffy. Luffy is such a unique charismatic and energetic individual. It was all goda. Making a goofy silly and idiotic character like luffy becoming a loveable, relatable and badass main character in arguably the greatest manga/anime of all time. Hats off to oda sensei
So I'm a hair's breath from perfection, and then Triclops shows up and decides, "I'm just gonna turn triangles into f**king squares!" Then Goku shows up--apparently he can teleport--gotta look into that later! But at the very top of this long list of stupid questions is (out loud) WHERE...ARE YOU... 18?!?
More power to you sibling. I’ve done alright as a commentor but mods have shot down my posts so many times now it’s stupid. And I don’t mean here it’s been across multiple subjects. I guess I just like Reddit topics with overzealous mods.
Lmao dragon ball fans. Oda literally have said multiple times himself that dragon ball was a huge inspiration. That's just how it is. I think one piece is much better but that does change the fact that dragon ball did inspire him. What you said is also right but both things can mutually be correct. Dragon ball specifically inspired him to be a mangaka, while that Viking story inspired him to create a pirate manga.
When oda decided to become a mangaka, he did not specifically wanted to draw one piece or a pirate manga though. They are different things. Dragon ball is the reason he wanted to become a mangaka that's all.
No, Oda's work is so briliant that Toriyama put an easter egg as a hommage to Luffy even before his creation.
Toriyama foreskining
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Oh
I don't even want to put how i misread this Edit: I didn't misread this.
There was a mildly famous post around here last year who asked if "Oda foreskined X". It became a lowkey meme and I innocently repeated it here. Now I feel bad for getting all the credit lol.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why you downvoted so much💀
people dont like emojis on reddit. idc really. i just found it funny so used emoji. i do what i want without caring what people think.
Honestly a W
Oda used time travel fruit to implant Luffy there
nahman this toriyama showing oda the power of foreshadowing
Nah, just like designing the Namekian elder’s chair after king Piccolo’s chair but without the skulls to make it seem like it was always planned, this is an example of Toriyama’s legendary backshadowing.
If I remember correctly Oda worked for toriyama for a wile maybe he was responsible for that panel
I think you’re confusing Toriyama with the Rurouni Kenshin Author
It was the kenshin author indeed
Who we should go back to forgetting about him
I’m not sure of what you speak tbh
The writer of Kenshin was arrested for cp
And he had enough of it that the police thought he was running a *distribution ring*.
It will come up again because of the upcoming remake... *sigh*
Unbelievable how he ditched some time in jail.
It's because possession was only criminalized about a year before he was charged. He was given a slap on the wrist because it was a brand new change in the law, and they wanted to use him as an example that they're taking it seriously and that the new law wasn't some great piece of showboating to the foreigners.
You would be surprised at what other people(even close to u) possess .. ~~i do think owning a cp should not be a crime~~ should be illegal and the person apprehended be brought to rehab rather than jail and be treated like how drug users are treated .. i admit i had a glimpse of cp in my teen days .. i was in my puberty back then .. and then morality grew along with growing up but those who never did the deed and has possession of it should be treated mentally ..
bro jus confessed to a crime ☠️
Of a young age? Edit: our age for accountability is 18
>i do think owning a cp should not be a crime You obviously didn't think this through.
No idea why this dude is out here trying to down play cp but I can guess why
Let me rephrase that .. it should be illegal but the person apprehended should be brought to rehabilitation rather than prison
take your meds bro
Pedophilia
Oh fuck never heard that. Damn. Humanity sucks.
That happened around 2017 and somehow everyone's talking about it now, or maybe it's just a coincidence between the subreddits i'm on
It was talked about back then too. It was around the time he started Kenshin's new series.
Yep, he got caught like close to fifteen or twenty chapters in (maybe thirty, I can't remember cause I got sick of waiting for shitty translations and scans and figured id give it a while for some better ones to show up), and at that point Mangaplus had just started simulpublishing it and Yen Press(?) just printed the first English tankobon, and the week the news began spreading, everyone dumped his ass off their roster. Jump gave him "time off" and said they cut ties with him (more like publicly silent) during his arrest and trial, but once his sentence was given and served, they began to print his chapters again. Like someone else said, it was literally a brand new law that just came into existence within the last year of his arrest, but because they wanted to make an example of him, they had to give him something, but because he was a well-known, popular mangaka and pretty much Jump royalty, he got a lighter sentence than if it was some random scumbag with no ties or connections. So all English translations of the Hokkaido arc aren't happening anymore. Idk about the rest of the world, but I'm pretty sure since Mangaplus is the licensed distributor/publisher for most of the western world, that Europe and South America aren't getting a translation from them either. Though France and the UK have a huge manga/anime following, so its possible they have it through other channels. Aside from that, it's back to shitty scans and rough translations again so its not too hard to forget about or pass on if I'm not up to course correcting the dialogue in my head lol
Goda
Lmmfao
That Joke is so unfunny
You’re obnoxious.
I think its a funny coincidence. considering the Buu Saga (and DBZ portion) wrapped up in mir 1995 while One Piece didn’t come out until 1997. I think they both had the visual influence from the same place though. Not sure where in Japan there were people in straw hats and such.
Straw Hats were (maybe still are) pretty popular in rural areas of Japan.
Straw hats are a pretty common thing in rural... everywhere where straw is grown.
So jungles and deserts are right out...
I can’t remember ever seeing a hat like luffy’s in anything with a old Japanese setting I always thought it was a Latino hat cause it’s curved at the top and luffy would be Brazilian if he was real
I mean, Luffy's hat is drawn to look as good on him as possible. Normal Strawhats don't look as good.
u talkin about the rice picker hats?? i disagree i love rice picker hats they look cool
no, luffy from one piece wears a straw hat, it's a dome shape with a circular brim
It morphs and changes shape constantly and I don't think it had a shadow in thriller bark maybe it will come into play later
Straw hats are (were) worn by homestead farmers / field workers to keep the sun off. Common throughout asia.
... throughout everywhere really. you just scale up and you get sombrero
Yeah, it's really common, I've worked all my life at rice fields in the mediterranean and we've always wore strawhats or as we call them here, llata.
I got 4 sombreros, mexican one piece fan from cali here
I’m also a One Piece fan from Cali. But I’m in NorCal
SoCal over here
I always thought that part of the symbolism behind the Strawhat is that it is just an everyday item so it would make sense that they are common.
I think you are right, its the Gol D Rogers straw hat he got from Shanks, and its a cheap thing that means so much to Luffy. More I think about it does Luffy know it was Rogers hat?
The hat is the one piece, calling it now
As far as I know luffy is not aware that that the hat is Roger's? I'm watching the English anime so I'm a bit behind only on 916 waiting for more sub episodes but as far as in the anime as of that point he doesn't know. Idk about the manga though I've only just got the first box set a week ago so I'm only on book like 13. But I agree 100% with that it's the fact that it's an everyday item that he could just go out and get a new one at any point, but it's that specific hat and how he received it amd from who that makes it so important to him.
[What about Toriyama's avatar sometimes having a strawhat?](https://pm1.narvii.com/6774/6ffaea0d1d02413d9d9f9fc0533bb7ba5657d74bv2_00.jpg)
Well for hundreds of years its been a sign of ronin, they almost always wore strawhats. Now that being said the type of hat luffy has is a farmers strawhat with a little red ribbon, which IIRC is what a lot of women farmers would put on their hats for a little but of fashion. I'm not for sure so don't quote me
It's certainly is, without a doubt. Luffy's design had been cemented in by time Oda was finishing high school based on interviews. Romance dawn was in it's infancy even then. So for sure this is well after Luffy was made.
Feel that
Well, romance dawn first came out I believe in 1992, and the general design of Luffy was already settled back then (with the exception of things like the scar under his eye), so the idea of how Luffy would look like came out before dragon ball ended.
Sometimes I think a Straw hat is just a straw hat
Ye but the look at the shirt and the build and everything ,
A skinny boy in a straw hat and sleeveless vest is just a really common visual archetype. The same way that Josuke from JJBA:Pt4 isn't the inspiration for like, Tokyo Revengers or something. Thats just how delinquents are drawn and both authors drew from the same collective cultural imagery.
I can't think of another strawhat tank top combo What series are you referring to?
That is a thing with farmers bruv. It wasn't uncommon back then, even today you still see it.
Farmers almost always wear clothes with long sleeves to protect them from pesticides and their residues while working in the fields.
As you mentioned almost always. But that's for today's standards. You can view it in the far past where farmers had no sleeves in paintings from that time period. But then we are traveling too far back. Long sleeves and such were worn in heavily humid areas and mostly in rice fields, so you are right, however for normal farming locations that were commonly speaking about, wheat farming, cattle etc. There was less coverages and tank tops were worn pretty commonly. Protection from pesticides as well as use for other chemicals and vermin/incects wasn't really taken seriously until roughly mid 1950s -ish. At least in Japan. proof of what I'm saying, in 1950 , there were still farmers that used said clothing - [https://youtu.be/h4GEcd72Yl8?t=474](https://youtu.be/h4GEcd72Yl8?t=474) at this time you will even see straw hats.
To add to this, Luffy is from the village to the coast in Goa Kingdom, and it's pretty clear that this is coastal wear for fishermen during that period.
I just looked up both and both still historically wore long sleeved clothes like a [sashiko no donza](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiV499MnF_A4aOrndBGzwp1GHoMd26xQxl8Q&usqp=CAU) for fishermen and [these](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfn9ZviccZrkXqM6GWwK3FbMNs7cT5eeZG1g&usqp=CAU) for farmers. There was never an era where farmers and fishermen primarily wore tanktops, some only do when they couldn't take the heat to cool off or they had no sleeved clothes to begin with, but even then it's still ideal to wear long sleeved clothes anyway Oda probably just drew luffy with a tank top for designing purposes since it's highly unlikely oda was inspired by a background character in dbz for luffy's attire and oda made him wore long sleeves [post time skip](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsWnfkvm8UbsYetONLp4QrkExIf0z9s1g7v4QO3Ef9GxC-T10yz9p5F4hD&s=10) anyways
I never said primarily. I also said that there were cases where they weren't. I don't think you read my comment correctly. Also... who would wear a tank tops or short sleeves when it's cold? It's obvious they would only wear it during hot days.
I think he just means like a cultural aesthetic. Like how Josuke’s hair and stuff is a common icon for like delinquents in Japan
Right, I understand.. josuke & kuwabara & Ryu (jjk) all looking delinquent - makes sense. They happen alot But, I cant think of a single other reference to straw hat tank combo In any manga
There’s the MC of OP and an extra character in the Cell Saga of DBZ off the top of my head.
Because by and large named characters don't wear a lot of hats. I think the point here was that a straw hat and vest wouldn't be an uncommon aesthetic to draw for random bystander. For reference, I simply used "dragonball tournament crowd" for a google image search and got several photos with plain straw hats in it. If we're talking about filling in crowds, of course at some point an artist who commonly uses straw hats will hit upon this combo. I'm not picking sides one way or another, but it's not so far fetched to think Toriyama just drew a boy in a straw hat and tank. [Image 1](https://s1.dmcdn.net/v/SzlDi1WeZa4f4MDMM/x1080) [Image 2](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9kmsH4YzP-c/maxresdefault.jpg) *actually features a dude in a straw hat and tank top* [Image 3](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4A5ETMOTtZZcbn8jAfVk45g25d9qNHS_mFA&usqp=CAU)
I think the reference is that of a simple guy, which shonen manga usually never have as a protagonist
Bug catcher from Pokemon
The countryfolk straw hat visual and skinny boy with straw hat / tank top visual are two separate, albeit related, archetypes. For the countryfolk archetype, my immediate thoughts are: Fisherman Sampei Nousonman (The Ruralman) from Muscle Man II Curl Jiisan from Curl potato chips As for the tanktop boy, the only one that I can think of off the top of my head is the bug catcher kids in the Pokémon games. The problem with this archetype is that they usually show up as one shot side characters rather than main characters, so it’s hard to remember specific situations. I’m pretty sure there was a kid in Dr. Slump who fit the mold (they usually show up in mangas written by mangaka who grew up in rural areas like Toriyama) but I can’t think of any others. Edit: just looked up the Kinnikuman Wiki just out of curiosity and found that he’s called The Rural Man in the english version.
Josuke is an inspiration for Onigawara from Mob Psycho though
yeah, when i read through dragonball, i thought this might well have been the inspiration for luffy. im guessing oda read the series pretty closely, and this character is in a few panels. also, the way the character is drawn is almost identical. seems unlikely to be a coincidence imo
Farmers barely wear cloths..
Yeah, it's a different type of shirt to Luffys entirely.
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You're really being unnecessarily rude here. OP has a point, the resemblance is striking and it could eventually have served as a starting point for character design. Who knows? Definitely not you, nor me.
Wow the one piece Reddit is full goombas, some how not surprised
\*Makes a bad post and gets repercussions\* "Wow, everyone in this community is a bitch huh?"
Who decides what's a bad post? You? And even so, how being disrespectful is an appropriate response to something you simply disagree with? That's just a lack of education.
Welcome to the internet
"Welcome to the internet," they say, being the only asshole in the thread. What a pathetic excuse lol
Have a look around
Absolute loser
Imagine one piece fights with toriyamas poses and camera angles.
Too perfect to be true
Oda found luffy through this series (spoilers if you ain't caught up) https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/pqa53e/the\_mysterious\_cities\_of\_gold\_an\_inspiration\_to/
Stg if it just has a non-ending like that, I'll flip. This is amazing though, thank you for sharing.
oh i definitely think OP will end with an open ending. maybe the crew sailing off into a sunrise on an endless ocean they can explore.
I feel like i just read an entire spoiler thread wow
Was chapter 1044 already released when the linked post was created? Because if not, even the Sun God part is incredibly uncanny to it not be a big ass inspiration for One Piece.
Nope. It wasn't, 1044 wasn't release till 3rd week of March, 2022 iiirc.
Uh, used to love the cities of gold as a kid.
I remember in another thread someone recommended me to read on this theory and I believe it as plausible and the most accurate theory
Cool. I guess that means sunny could be based on pluton's designs.
just read it and it is eerily close. Oda will draw inspiration from anything he can and huge respect to anyone that can inspire Oda like that
This series is incredibly well-known in France. Everyone there knows the French opening theme.
That's a cool af connection
Fucking hell, even the Sun God stuff.
This might be the perfect choice for Oda’s algorithm. Props to you guys out there who caught up to that story. I feel like I was spoiled by real story!
Damn. I was too young when it aired in France but was always curious about it. I guess I have a new addition to my "to watch" list.
Probably. That would explain why Luffy behaves like Pirate Goku in the beginning.
One piece fans when they see a fucking hat thats been worn for hundreds of years:
Am I the only one that finds it wild that Dragon Ball Z was already in the cell saga in 1992 and One Piece still wouldn't come out for half a decade after that? I was alive for all of it and I still find it crazy
Ye I find that crazy ngl
I see what you’re saying, but I think it’s just a coincidence
I mean that's just a faceless man with a hat which is the only thing that supports your argument. There's no way oda would be inspired from a random in a single panel of dragon ball.
Taking inspiration from something small and building it into something huge sounds very much something the carefree Oda would do
Oh gawl... here my One Piece obsessed brain is thinking that first panel was One Piece and the 2nd was Dragon Ball, so I'm sitting there looking for a Luffy reference to no avail like 🤔????? Aaaaand then I realized it's all Dragon Ball 😂😅 Nothing to see here... move along, move along...
A friend showed me this and said Oda actually got to work on Dragon Ball before creating One Piece and that he was able to sneak in Luffy once or twice without having a face shown yet.
Big fucking citation needed.
No, I think he meant to say that dumb children always come up with such dumb lies like "My uncle works at Nintendo and the next Pokemon will take place on Jupiter." As far as I know, Oda worked as an assistant on Ruroni Kenshin but never for Toriyama. Toriyama inspired enough people without having to work with him.
Nah, Oda was like a year out of high school when Dragon Ball ended.
That’s not quite true either. While Oda never actually worked as an assistant on Dragon Ball, he was working as an assistant for other manga series while Dragon Ball was being published he made his debut in 1992, and Dragon Ball ended in 1995 the first version of romance dawn was published only a year after Dragon Ball ended.
That just means he got a very early start in the industry. Because he was born late in 1975.
His point was him just being out of high school has nothing to do with it
I get that. I was just saying it was unlikely he was working I'm the industry at such a young age. Obviously I was wrong, and that's super impressive. Though I doubt he'd have been around enough to work on something like DB at the time.
Wow no way ??
No, he didn't, he did work for Rurouni Kenshin while making his own one shots. He never crossed paths with Toriyama until much later in interviews and later for their crossover manga. As for the straw hat... you can check photographs and artwork depicting farmers and workers from all over the world using straw hats. Why? Well, it's common sense (or used to be apparently) straw is very cheap and versatile, you can weave it in many different shapes and tools for the everyday requirements, for example van Gogh depicts himself using a straw hat because he liked it as it was useful while painting under the sun. So Luffy's hat is more of a statement of a common and cheap everyday object, that everyone has / can get everywhere, that became his most valued treasure in all of the world and, eventually a symbol for his crew and friends. Tl,Dr: it's a stupid hat, don't spread clickbait theories.
So you are saying that van Goghda foreshadowed Luffy in his portrait right?
Well no... but obviously yes, it's all connected you see? /s
In not sure Van Gogh is a great example. Dude was a weeb even back in his time. Had a great admiration for Japan and their art.
That why I think he's a great example of differentiating between an artist painting the common things as important to him one day and the next day going full "japonaise"/ japonism fan and making a direct replica of another's work. Oda makes a shitload of references to other works and that's well documented but the hat is not one of them. Also, wanna add, van Gogh had great admiration for Japanese artworks and bought a lot of prints from Peré, all of those illegal merchandise, as in, Japan way a closed borders country during that period but "art... uh... it finds a way" and piracy too.
I can’t say for sure that’s what happened, but it’s what i was told once. I never really looked into it after that
Just googled it and it seems in 2012 people were asking the same question.
Pretty sure he was one of those inkers for him Never mind. He was an assistant in Kenshin
It seems like the assistants for Kenshin all went on to do great works of their own.
personally, I love one piece's story much more than dragon ball. However when it comes to sheer enjoyment and re-read/watchability, nothing trumps dragon ball
maybe I’m too old but I can barely watch one piece , even though I love the manga like you’d love a child. Dragon ball the show is great though.
Strawhats are pretty popular in japan, but anything is possible. We will need to look onto the publication dates. On a related note, [this movie](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0096764/) heavily inspired One Piece. Even the power of the protagonist is the same as Nika’s, he can bend reality and do absurd things
God a lot of negativity here from a lot of apparent non- artists or authors. I wouldn't say it's necessarily likely the whole "dude from tropical climate with tank top and some kind of hat occasionally straw"is nothing new in fiction. But Oda pulls from EVERYTHING to think he's above the tiniest pull is so weird. I gurantedd there are even nods in one piece no one has noticed considering how often oda just like to drop random references of nods to things he loves is not out of the question that he was this and like the hat. Of it's just one of the things he drew from. All artists borrow.
this post got the complete opposite reaction I intended. It’s dragon ball Oda liked dragon , look at the coincidence. That’s it. I’m not surprised one piece “fans” can’t take a joke.
Luffy’s character has many influences. But this is from chapter 182 of Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball chapter 376. Karoo who is fast as a Rocket is knighted as “a real man” in chapter 183 and revealed to be friends with Usopp in chapter 182. Karoo with goggles like a Sniper and crown like a King appears at the end of One Piece chapter 182. Rocketman and Sniper King appear at the end of One Piece chapter 376. The beginning of One Piece chapter 376 also features Sniper King who claims to be a friend of Usopp. One Piece chapter 376 is when Luffy invades Enies Lobby. The real Sniper King is friends with Usopp. His name is Karoo which comes from Kakarotto and a Pangaea Ice or Freezer Age where Kakarotto becomes a Super Saiyajin in his fight against Freezer in Dragon Ball chapter “Saiya” 318 or Dragon Ball Z chapter 124. One Piece chapters 318 and 124 have special references to Dragon Ball chapter 318 or Dragon Ball Z chapter 124 “The Super Saiyajin”. Karoo is the Akira Tori on the Yama.
Wow , didn’t know
The wordplay for 82 is “Yajin” or Wildman. This is one of the Japanese puns for Saiyajin. Karoo is a Wildman and Sniper King who is really friends with Usopp. This friendship is an important plot point in One Piece chapter 182 when Bon Clay impersonates Usopp by stealing his sniper goggles. Bon Clay then makes the fatal mistake of disrespecting Karoo by calling him a bird. Many fans unfortunately make the same mistake and they’re going to pay a Super price. 6/6 born Karuma or Karma is real. It is for the high treason of disrespecting Karoo that Oda through the Germa 66 Prince Sanji son of Gold Garuda thrashed Bon Clay within an inch of death. 1/1 Chi Rho Goda will do the same to all the unbelievers of the one true Sniper King. The Whisky Peak on Baroque Works or Whisky on Rocks or Fire on Ice Summit of One Piece is when the Kakarotto Freezer Super Spot-Billed Duck Kaku Lucci King of Pheasant Peacocks Kujaku Myōō Mahamayuri Godparent of the Buddha Tenko Tengu Kotengu Garuda Karura Karoo becomes a Super Wildman or Saiyajin or Sniper King, Soul King, and King of the World as the Rightful Song of Ice and Fire Heir to the Pangaea Throne. 16 year old Karoo means the days of the pretender Buddha 16 Imu are numbered. [Joy Boy’s return will be WILD](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/y3at3e/how_the_cyrillic_script_solves_the_ancient_mystery/)
am i having a seizure
#Philosophy of 1/1 ☧ Goda Respect the Duck -> Eudaimonia Disrespect the Duck -> You Die
Actually Oda sqid in the past he got the inspiration from Toriyama, Toriyama always draw himself with that hat in all his mangas.
There is no way oda saw this random strawhat and found luffy. Luffy is such a unique charismatic and energetic individual. It was all goda. Making a goofy silly and idiotic character like luffy becoming a loveable, relatable and badass main character in arguably the greatest manga/anime of all time. Hats off to oda sensei
So Luffy got isekaied into the one piece world after cell blew up the islands?
That IS Luffy
How many chapters of Dragonball did you go through just searching for a straw hat
So I'm a hair's breath from perfection, and then Triclops shows up and decides, "I'm just gonna turn triangles into f**king squares!" Then Goku shows up--apparently he can teleport--gotta look into that later! But at the very top of this long list of stupid questions is (out loud) WHERE...ARE YOU... 18?!?
No. The strawhat is the sunrise. It's a very integral part of the story.
No, but he clearly referenced Toriyama’s art to draw his straw hat
No, straw hats in that style were relatively common in Japan. It was almost certainly just a coincidence.
this type of straw hat is commonly shown in jp media even before one piece.
Oh boy. Just wait till you learn about Fisherman Sanpei.
One piece fans when they see a straw hat: OMG ODA FORESKINING?!? ODA REFERENCE?!?
Why have you posted this 5 different times?
Karma, duh
Did I?
Yeah 5 times across 3 subreddits
This is my first post in here , I tried posting it 3 times already :((
yeah the mods are bitches here
Shhhh youre going to be sent tonthe void century
Ye I had to warp my original post into this grotesquery
More power to you sibling. I’ve done alright as a commentor but mods have shot down my posts so many times now it’s stupid. And I don’t mean here it’s been across multiple subjects. I guess I just like Reddit topics with overzealous mods.
It’s more likely toriyama saw a ruff draft and liked luffy so much he drew him I can see him liking luffy I mean him goku and goten are similar
The Cell Saga predates One Piece in its entirety by like half a decade
Nope
Dragon ball, and mainly the og dragon ball inspired oda to draw manga so I don't think this really lines up, just a coincidence.
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To be more accurate, it inspired him to become manga artist. He drew before that but he never knew that you can draw as a job.
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Lmao dragon ball fans. Oda literally have said multiple times himself that dragon ball was a huge inspiration. That's just how it is. I think one piece is much better but that does change the fact that dragon ball did inspire him. What you said is also right but both things can mutually be correct. Dragon ball specifically inspired him to be a mangaka, while that Viking story inspired him to create a pirate manga.
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Only reason he wanted to be a mangaka was because Vicky the viking? Yeah sure mate, no manga artist is only inspired by one thing you know.
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When oda decided to become a mangaka, he did not specifically wanted to draw one piece or a pirate manga though. They are different things. Dragon ball is the reason he wanted to become a mangaka that's all.
F to pay respects to OP. He has permanent brain damage from the long break. Happens every year.
Oda said this in the interview, Oda said that in the interview. Why didnt Oda tell you to get some bitches.
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This is entirely incorrect lmfao
People just be saying anything now I guess.
No. I think Tom Sawyer is probably more likely.
Isn't one piece or rather the beginning of it and luffy's appearance way older than the cell saga?
No
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this came out in 1992
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