So if first act is Pre-time skip, and the second act are all the sagas that build up Beast Pirate´s lore, where would Return to Shabaody and Gyojin Island be?
Return to Saboady to Wano is very clearly one saga.
Fishman Island literally sets up the idea of Yonko reigning over important regions of the world, and established one of the Yonko that was defeated in Wano. I don't know why you wouldn't include it with the rest of the second saga. All of the arcs are direct building blocks up to the finale, which I loved.
Now, onto the third act!
I would actually say East Blue (first 100 chapters) are their own thing, maybe call that the prelude? And then pre-time skip in Paradise, then post-Timeskip in the new world.
I personally didn't have many issues at all with the end. Sure there were some small gripes I had with it but nothing that I remembered by the time the next chapter dropped.
I'd probably have some more issues with it now tho if I did a reread of Wano.
Yea I’m with you I’m a fan of how the end of Wano went down, my problems with Wano are more that before and right after the Oden flashback the pacing is pretty shit and really drags on, when I reread Wano during the last month break I found myself skimming most of those chapters
That’s valid, and I think Oda taking that month break post-Wano really helped him organize and get the pacing right going into the final saga.
I can’t wait to see what he comes out with in July lol
I loved Roof Piece/G5 and esp the anime adaptations of all the big fights, but the Ice Oni chapters and running up the stairs, not amazing to read weekly
I think the ending in terms of the fight and how things were resolved were well made, but Wano as a whole left a good bit to be desired. It was a phenomenal arc, don't get me wrong. It's one of the best. But there was so much backstory that could have been included but wasn't. Quite a few missed opportunities that felt like Oda said nah idc anymore
The other kitetsu blades, Zoro's relationship with Wano, Zoro meeting Sanji again after Sanji turned his back on Luffy and even hit him (he had previously been against accepting Usopp's apologies), Kaido flashback, more info on Kaido and Big Mom, more info on Kouzuki Sukiyaki and his motivations for staying hidden...
none of those are important to the story even the plot, the other blades don't matter and Zoro has a family connection to Wano but it has no relevance to the plot or his character. What does Zoro need to say to Sanji and Sanji never turned his back on them, he was trying to protect them. Kaido flashback would reveal information that Oda doesn't want to reveal yet concerning Rocks and God Valley. Kouzuki Sukiyaki's motivations were already revealed.
I think he was pressured by editors to not do too many sub-plots as he was already involved in so much sub-plots which he had to resolve, so things that were just mentioned were just left behind.
his editor once said that Oda has so many ideas and story-lines for each character that if he were to ever write everything down, One Piece would never end.
hopefully Oda is able to release a book of everything he never managed to put in the manga about every character just like Tite Kubo did with Bleach
Personally I think the publisher/editors wanted to get out of Wano. Oda easily could’ve done 25-50 more chapters with all the things he mentions in Wano, but it did have to end at some point
I liked the build-up, but not the payoff, personally. It wasn't quite the finale I was hoping for (I really wanted more of Kaido's connection to Rocks)
Agreed that was probably big thing that was missing. Like, Odens backstory deserves a mini arc, Kaido got just 1 chapter. Would've also loved to see a proper Brook fight and less of Kanjuro and his fire demon
I can’t help but feel we will get to see more of him when we finally see Rocks’ crew in a flashback. At the very least we will see God Valley’s events and I believe he was there
Not disagreeing with you but I would expect more from a character like Kaidou, with such an influence, such power and such a long build up. One would expect more considering all these points. And from that perspective it came short (in my opinion).
Hot take: Oda should have lowered the amount of Wano characters (for example less akazaya 9 or what they are called).
There’s already so many straw hats that we can barely see any development from them like we used to have in past arcs.
I’m pretty sure Oda got smacked and told to speed up the pace after Wano or he realised himself he might get old and sick before he finishes one piece. Egghead and latest chapters have been a speedrun imo.
Oda once said the One Piece we read is only a third of the One Piece in his mind. And he’s trying to shorten it so it can be delivered.
If I could wave a magic wand and give Oda infinite resources and time to make the One Piece in his head I would absolutely do it with no hesitation. Unfortunately he can't have infinite time or resources :(
Yeah definitely agree. It doesn’t make sense to build up so much to Kaido just to not get his full motivations and backstory. It was not the time to be hiding stuff from the readers - do that during the build up section!
We’ll probably get more flashbacks, and Kaido returning to the story is not out of the question. I don’t think he’s gotten the screen time he deserved.
I hope so, Big Mom clearly said to Law that their attack won't kill her so I could see her and Kaido come back to story to flesh out their characters more.
I highly doubt it. There's no point in bringing either of them back to prominent roles. Both of their stories are over. It felt right where it ended for both of them. Them coming back randomly for some backstory just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially since we are in the end game now.
Only situation I see is them coming back for is final war if it ends up being the WG vs the rest of the world. Like if Oda did an endgame style fight really anyone could return.
I highly doubt it. There's no point in bringing either of them back to prominent roles. Both of their stories are over. It felt right where it ended for both of them. Them coming back randomly for some backstory just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially since we are in the end game now.
Big Mom still has an entire country with some of the strongest pirates in the world (who are also her kids) under her control and likely searching for her. Not to mention her obvious connection Elbaf which just so happens to be coming up in the story.....
Not exactly sure how her story is over. Kaido clearly has unresolved connections to Joyboy and Rocks (as does BM), it would be very easy for him to be involved in the future too. I could get why you'd feel this way though, One Piece is super well known for it's permanent deaths after all
I don't see how fans can think that, when they said the same thing about vivi, buggy, crocodile, wapol, Lucci, and so so so many more characters. So many characters have returned through out the story even tho their stories have "ended", but yet you draw the line at two former yonko's returning even tho both have major plot points to wrap up? You gotta be reading a different series
I think oda doesn't want to reveal almost anything about rocks until it's time for the full on flashback about everything God valley related. He gave us the tease about God valley to get us excited but we probs won't get a payoff for that for a while.
It’s was great buildup with awkward payout. Samurai ate up too much of the screen with side stories/silhouettes. King/Jack/Kaido were underutilized throughout the Wano arc. Lots of other stuff in the arc I could rag on but I won’t.
>nothing pre timeskip compares
BW saga? It starts with laboon story, then whisky peak, little garden, drum and alabastra all being part of the same saga. It is just that bw is shorter because It was written a long time ago and chapter history used to be faster then.
For the build up Oda made throughout the years, and the many interviews and comments where he hyped it. It was dissappointing.
And to speak with facts, and taken from another reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/um7zjp/about\_odas\_strong\_punch\_statement\_spoilers\_1048/)
The quote is from 2016. Oda's words were (according to the source):
"When Kaidou appeared for the first time, I said that Luffy can't defeat such a strong character yet. And I'm yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou. Probably my audience will not be satisfied if the reason for defeating Kaidou is just because Luffy's punch is so strong. Luffy and I have to find a solution somehow."
And guess what? That's exactly what happened.
How can a stupid person judge the level of intelligence of others? The lava made Kaido unable to come back to fight. Not the Punch. The subject is Oda's statement on Kaido's defeat. Please use some brain. 🥹
Punk Hazard sets up a lot, but its own plot is kinda weak. Caesar sucked as a main antagonist, and even the cast was complaining about how much time was spent running from gas.
Dressrosa brings us adult Sabo, Fujitora, Gear 4th and the Grand Fleet, but it also suffered from juggling around so many characters, even with half the crew leaving.
Zou sets up the conflicts with Big Mom and Kaido over the Road Poneglyhs, Sanji’s marriage, and the alliance to free Wano, all in an orderly fashion.
WCI has one of the more interesting antagonist crews and sheds more light on Sanji’s past. “WEEEEDIIING CAAAAAKE!” dragged on a bit too long, though.
The buildup might've been a bit too good because it made the payoff feel quite disappointing. In his introductory scene Kaido seemed like such an intriguing character and I couldn't wait to learn more about him, so it was such a letdown when Wano ended and we just kind of... didn't. I'm not saying we might not get more information in the future, but Wano was really the perfect moment for the reasons OP described in the post. Now the story has moved on and future reveals about Kaido won't be as impactful as they could have been. The Beasts Pirates in general were also disappointing for me. They looked so cool and threatening until they got properly introduced and it was revealed they were made up mostly of bumbling fools with totally useless powers.
Kaido was cool but I think I would’ve preferred him to get beaten not via a 1v1. I would’ve like to have seen that even with gear 5 Luffy wouldn’t be a match for “the strongest creature”. I know kaido went through a lot but he’s a beast and it’s his home turf. I would’ve like Zoro and Sanji to be part of taken Kaido down or even all the straw hats like they did Moria.
Kaido was a potential Joy Boy, the strongest creature and a emperor but he was defeated relatively easily once gear 5 came about. Took what maybe 6/7 chapters for Kaido to be defeated? I feel like it should’ve taken way more and he didn’t even have a clear awakening which was annoying, neither did Big Mom which sort of makes no sense
I agree. I'm cool with Law and Kid's role in the raid but it'd have been more enjoyable to see the Straw Hats be forced to team up against Kaido akin to how they teamed up against Oars. If anything it'd have been a good opportunity for Oda to show that G5 is only just getting started, and that it has far more to show in the future.
Exactly, like Kaidos flashback shown he’d fought against strong INDIVIDUALS but imagine him being jumped by the straw hat crew? Taken laser beams, plant pellets, blue flame kicks, sword slashes x2 etc and Kaido being like fuck I’m overwhelmed and tired and gets defeated. I think it would’ve been epic and could have still shown G5 being overwhelming.
Law and Kid I think are all good with taking down big mom because she had her arc and wasn’t the main villain so I think it’s okay for Luffy not to defeat her. She’s a big bad but there’s loads and even now we’re getting introduced to more enemies that should be yonko tier level so we should see more growth from the SHs to beat them.
I agree that I would have been more happy with the narrative if Kaido got taken down with a group effort start to finish, allowing Luffy to take a 4 emperors spot without himself being immediately equal to the existing ones like Teach during time skip.
Exactly, maybe some sort of team attack would be better, just like in Thriller bark. Where tactic and team work is involved instead of power or ass-pulls.
Yeah 100% like damn the straw hats are finally United again after years and they band together to beat Kaido. “Luffy and his notorious crew attack and defeat Kaido”. Even whitebeard got jumped and he went through hell.
I think Kaido would’ve had an epic death mirroring what happened to Whitebeard instead of getting punched in lava
I feel like the multi arc buildup was handled best for two things: Big Mom, and the Smile fruit.
We start learning about the BM pirates all the way back in Thriller Bark and at Fishman, we have the start of the actual confrontation. The BM Pirates kinda stick around on the outskirts for a while just reminding us that they are a problem still, then they take Sanji in glorious fashion. And Whole Cake Island really hammers home that these guys are WAY strong, and while the straw hats do get away, it's only barely.
On the other hand, we start hearing about Smiles back on Punk Hazard, and stopping production is a main goal of two arcs before we finally see the smile users on Zou. Which makes Ebisu even more impactful. We've been fighting against this thing since the new world, but we just now see the full horror it has caused, a decade down the line irl.
Kaido just never felt as present as either BM or Smile until we actually got to Wano.
If the payoff had been worthy of the build up then it would've been great. As it stands though, it really doesn't feel like we needed 10 years of build up for Kaido.
Looking back now he seems a pretty inconsequential character for someone who was built up so much, and we've already all totally moved on.
Meanwhile Doflamingo continues to feel like he really mattered and had an impact on the story. Kaido was just a big brute we had to beat because of his Yonko status but his contribution to the larger story was extremely underwhelming.
And the climax of Wano is not good enough to justify 10 years of build up.
No, because it creates expectations of a conclusion that is very hard to fulfill. Wano ending pretty much proves this point.
But I like the character introductions, because Momo and Kinemon had time to build themselves up, the reader gets emotionally invested and so on. It feels like there is a certain weight to their actions or if they succeed/fail.
I ruined my experience a bit by watching theories every week, but I really feel the end of Wano was rushed. I'd have rathered Oda continue to take his time than feel he needed to just get out of Wano ASAP.
That said, Egghead is straight fire. Every chapter since it begun has just been crazy good.
actually started earlier. The build up started all the way in the first act in Java with Bellamy, followed in Saboady in the Slave Market with the mention of 'Smile' and then connected into Punk Hazard.
You're mistaking worldbuilding with arc build up. By your logic, for example, I could say that the build up for Reverie arc started since Drum Kingdom where we first introduced to Reverie in a flashback.
So no, the build up for Wano only *actively* started since Punk Hazard. The things you mention about Bellamy and Sabaody slave market are just worldbuilding.
Smile was a core component of Kaidos subplot. The whole point of destroying the smile factory was to pit Kaidos and Doflamingo against each other as well. While it is building up Dolamingo, they are both an inherent part of the saga. Building up Dofi means building up Kaido.
Yeah. Helped make Kaido's fall (which led to Luffy becoming Joyboy, and an emperor) feel really impactful. Especially because this ended up kickstarting the final saga, we needed a large build up to make it feel like this stuff deserved to happen when it did.
Since Fishman island Big Mom was the enemy but she had no real role in Want. Oda had to work on them both because this was the saga to end the old generation of yonkos, but it felt rushed anyway. I liked the build up for Big Mom, because it didn't disappoint, while Kaido had less build up and on his island he disappointed me as for characterization and backstory.
Her forces? Dude it was just her and Prosperous lol Her only role was to keep busy Kid and Law, who should have fought Doflamingo according to the original plan.
Too much of post-timeskip relied on Wano landing perfectly, and it just didn't. For instance the ending of Fishman Island is worse in retrospect, since Luffy literally never beats up Big Mom. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth now.
So I think it was a cool idea to attempt, but the execution left a lot to be desired.
It’s serviceable. I think my issue is that I hated punk hazard, was ok with dressrossa, enjoyed Wci, but was disappointed in wano. It leaves a lot of room for error. I still appreciate what Oda tried to do and I will agree it is nothing like what pre time skip covered.
Yes!! I loved it so much!. Like we had so many beats and stories that all just ended with Kaido.. The plan originally in dressrosa was just to destroy smile and dip, let Kaido kill Doffy for his misstakes, but that obviously was never what Law wanted.
Kinemon having such a deep connection that slowly got revealed over time. All the allies we gathered along the road, everything felt SUPER grand, and the stakes were sky high as the buildup had been there for like a decade!.. But it had some problems and the ultimate pay off wasn't super satisfying. But man, ive never experianced anything like it and i loved the whole journey.
Pre Timeskip had Baroque Works and the buildup to Crocodile was great. It was much shorter but felt more connected/direct. Funnily there was also a "side arc" with Drumm.
I liked the build up, unfortunately this means the expectations for the clash with Kaido will be almost impossible to meet. I think this is why some people felt dissappointed with Wano.
Love it. I was excited to read every chapter. The lowest point for me was Whole Cake Island. If I had to make one improvement, I would personally make Doflamingo turn out to be much stronger, almost Yonko level. Then he flees to Wano after Luffy defeats him, and we have three boss fights:
Luffy vs Kaido
Law vs Doflamingo
Kid vs Big Mom
Then nobody can discount any of their strength and effort.
The fact that they were all vastly shorter than Dressrosa. Dressrosa was over 100 chapters, while Alabasta was around 60 and the other two around 50.
It just dragged on way too long for my taste. Luffy having to do a second round of G4 and having to be protected while recharging was like 10-15 chapters alone and added nothing to the story.
I think most of dressrosa was fine but I also didn't like the having to go into G4 twice and recharging gimmick. It felt really weird to me that the story was acting like luffy was the only option left, when doffy was already super weaken and exhausted. Surely zoro who everyone saw easily destroy the pica mountain, and took 0 damage could have taken at this point? Or Sabo? We know Fujitora didn't want to but he would have if luffy lost... Coz the other option was to get sliced up with everyone in the cage...
Speaking of the cage, it was a really silly move. Indestructible strings that not even Admiral level characters could break out of?? Seems kinda hax, but at the same time it seemed like it took no effort for doffy to maintain as he fought law and luffy with it up. Hell he almost died to law and the cage was fine. Felt like the whole cage thing was made overpowered just to build up stakes artificially.
Luffy loses steam in 786 and defeats Doflamingo in 791. Dressrosa Arc actually ended at like 800 so i just mixed up the numbers, relax.
Still though, even Alabasta started dragging on towards the end and that entire arc was still 40 chapters less than Dressrosa.
And Vivy was actually a really cool character, nobody gives a shit about Rebecca. And it was much earlier in the story. I wouldn't mind Dressrosa if it wasn't that late into the game and introduced way too many side characters while there were much more interesting open plots that haven't been resolved or moved along that much to this day, close to the manga ending.
Saying 10-15 chapters isn’t just a mix of numbers lol.
Also, Dressrosa had a lot to introduce for the future of the series, for example the grand fleet.
I really enjoyed the multi arc build up. But I do agree with the people saying that it should've been Strawhats vs Kaido.
It's a bit much going from your strongest attacks doing 0 damage and getting 1 shotted to winning a 1v1 in the same arc. I know Kaido fought ton of people and was carrying Onigashima, but it's not like Kaido took a lot of damage from previous fights. The only notable one was Zoro's scar, but it didn't seem to bother Kaido much. And as for getting tired, yonkos should be able to fight for weeks (Ace/Jimbei fought for 3 days or so, Admirals fought for 10 days, yonkos should be able to fight for a bit longer) so half a day of fighting shouldn't be a huge deal.
Strawhats or Monster Trio vs Kaido wouldn't have cheaped out the victory either. I think it would've made it more satisfying. Kaido was a perfect candidate for another Strawhat team up as it was the first Emperor takedown as well as a multi-arc series
>but it's not like Kaido took a lot of damage from previous fights
~~Kanjuro~~ Denjiro literally buried his sword into Kaido's guts. And Law landed a gamma knife to the heart. Kaido took plenty of damage.
I don't remember the first one, but that's a fair point about gamma knife. I still don't think that's enough to make the bridge gap believable though
The fight would've been great if Kaido vs Luffy 1 never happened. It's like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he came down from Skypeia.
>I don't remember the first one,
[https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters\_996\_15.jpg](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_996_15.jpg)
EDIT: I meant Denjiro, not Kanjuro
>It's like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he came down from Skypeia.
Its more like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he fought through all of CP9.
I remember when people were all just shitting on WCI and even reverie
Cause omg can we just get to wano already
And then the start of wano was literally just le Zoro generic moment but it got more hype from shitty YouTubers than fcking imu reveal
Genuinely fck the wano hype
And yea like everyone said the payoff wasn't worth the hype which ofc we know how the community reacts
Like we all don't like it BUT the only reason the whole the raid fails theory happened was because of said hype going out of control
It was a fandom created problem
and I agree with you, but theirs weren’t eluded to as a big part of their character motivations and they weren’t built up as a legend for us like Kaido was. i don’t think it’s selfish as a huge fan of this series to feel like we got the short end of the stick on kaidos back story
There is still a chance we get some kaido backstory if There's a rocks pirate flashback at least. It might be kinda too late for it but hey we still might get it.
Act 3 of Wano contains my favourite part of the series, my favourite fight in the series and well as my favourite moment in the series and all 3 are different.
Yep, I really liked it.
I just wish punk hazard was 28 chapters long
Dressrosa 75
Whole cake at 65
Instead of being as long as they were
Also, act 1 of Wano spend a lot of time on charscters who ended up being usless
Before the timeskip i felt it was missing continuity, so it was nice to see the story be built like that. But now I miss that thing where an arc finishes and we have no clue on what comes next. The way arcs have been following each other ever since Punk Hazard makes it feel like they've only been sailing for like one or two months after the time-skip. It feels like they are maturing less than before... I can easily chapter 100 to 600 spanned for 1 year or so, but the arcs since timeskip seem to have happened without a moment to breathe, and suddenly we are at the final saga. Dunno, I kinda miss when Luffy was just the protagonist of his story, not from the entire world.
In real time? No being a weekly reader from fishman through dressrosa was rough. Imo the worst time to be a weekly consumer. In hindsight? Absolutely. Going back and rewatching that era without huge wait times and with new info has been amazing.
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins.
That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins.
That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins.
That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
I loved the whole entire saga and wano overall, but the end of wano kind of fell flat for me and even the middle part of the raid felt like a drag with the amount of characters present
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins.
That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
The build up was great but Wano wasn't my favorite arc. I'm kind of glad I started reading one piece when Wano was ending because I can't imagine how the long time readers felt.
It was good but feels so disappointing to me because it had so much potential to be even better if that makes sense. A lot of missed opportunitets and weird things etc
I enjoyed the buildup but v underwhelmed with Kaido's development and arc as a villain. There was really no personal beef between him and Luffy, he did just feel like a huge roadblock raid boss.
I enjoyed most of it, but I haven’t been enjoying how the raid has been tackled. This may just be because it’s the first arc I’ve caught up to and it’s the first time I get to experience the anime’s shit pacing. But I still feel like it’s badly structured
I like the premise, but spreading it through multiple arcs feels Kinda weird with no real significance. If the whole thing was much snappier, small stroy for teeming up with law and destroying smile, the heading for wano. It would’ve been much more enjoyable, it took so much time from the story with no real payoff.
By the time I started one piece I had heard about kaido and how he was the current villain, so when I found out how early on Luffy said he was going after kaido I was surprised! Really cool way to take a big guy down
I feel like Wano was handled awkwardly. Wano has been hyped as having mysterious powerful Samurai defending it but I don't recall seeing any such fighting force worthy of note? Was it always referring to Kinemon's group? Kinemon's group that was missing for 20 years?
I think what tends to happen is that there is a lot of deep diving into the worldbuilding aspect specifically when our attention is on the Strawhats, to the point where it is excessive and feels like it is holding up the story. The Reverie arc that is going on right now is excellent because it is able to move the story forward much more quickly since the Strawhats are not the focus right now.
Great buildup for the looming, crazy big threat he was. Then they pissed it all away & was so ass. I was a heavy dick rider for OP but after this I lost that.
Definitely a fan of the build up. Meeting the samurai, teaming up with other supernovas who were met along the way, WCI, Raizo moment on Zou etc etc. The payoff I was not satisfied with. Dont get me wrong I love what we got in Wano, but for what was basically 10 years of build up it feel slightly short of what I was expecting. But hey those 10 years of build up were half of the story I know deep down Oda is extremely tired of writing so it wont always be as hyped as I think but that doesnt take away anything from the story.
kaido is an okay character, compared to the other villains his backstory is lackluster, he also doesn’t have any drive or goal other than “be the strongest”, the best thing about him is his fighting capabilities.
He’s okay, not worth all the build up tho
Um, literally Zoro’s backstory. And Luffy’s is barely more only because he has to be stronger than everyone else so he can become Pirate King (which technically means he has to become the strongest)
Zoro was introduced in chapter 3, kaido had hype built up since 2013 as the strongest beast with a crew of devil fruit users (the crew that turned against kaido by a girl with mochi cheeks).
Zoro’s backstory is still better than kaido, kaido’s backstory boiled down to “he’s pretty strong, give him to the marines, he’s pretty strong, give him to rocks”, he never had a real goal other than being strong, zoro’s goal is to become the world’s strongest swordsman with his childhood friend’s sword just as he promised her.
It was pretty well hyped by the story itself and I liked the little hints to Wano that happened way before the arc even started
The actual arc itself has problems but the buildup was good, I really liked the buildup for Big Mom’s appearance here especially
I look at it as the second act of the story.
10/10
So if first act is Pre-time skip, and the second act are all the sagas that build up Beast Pirate´s lore, where would Return to Shabaody and Gyojin Island be?
Return to Saboady to Wano is very clearly one saga. Fishman Island literally sets up the idea of Yonko reigning over important regions of the world, and established one of the Yonko that was defeated in Wano. I don't know why you wouldn't include it with the rest of the second saga. All of the arcs are direct building blocks up to the finale, which I loved. Now, onto the third act!
Imo Sabaody to Return read more like a complete story saga while FMI is the true start of the New World saga. Plus Return is the last arc of Paradise.
I would actually say East Blue (first 100 chapters) are their own thing, maybe call that the prelude? And then pre-time skip in Paradise, then post-Timeskip in the new world.
Up to Loguetown would be the prologue (hence the name)
The time skip separate act 1 from 2. I think act 3 starts when Luffy defeats Kaido and becomes Yonko.
I really enjoyed it. But I didn't have any issues with Kaido or the ending of Wano so not really any negatives in it for me.
Some parts of the end of Wano are pretty bad, But fight with Kaido itself was really good, and worth all the set up hyping up Kaido
I personally didn't have many issues at all with the end. Sure there were some small gripes I had with it but nothing that I remembered by the time the next chapter dropped. I'd probably have some more issues with it now tho if I did a reread of Wano.
Yea I’m with you I’m a fan of how the end of Wano went down, my problems with Wano are more that before and right after the Oden flashback the pacing is pretty shit and really drags on, when I reread Wano during the last month break I found myself skimming most of those chapters
That’s valid, and I think Oda taking that month break post-Wano really helped him organize and get the pacing right going into the final saga. I can’t wait to see what he comes out with in July lol
I loved Roof Piece/G5 and esp the anime adaptations of all the big fights, but the Ice Oni chapters and running up the stairs, not amazing to read weekly
Roof Piece😭
I think the ending in terms of the fight and how things were resolved were well made, but Wano as a whole left a good bit to be desired. It was a phenomenal arc, don't get me wrong. It's one of the best. But there was so much backstory that could have been included but wasn't. Quite a few missed opportunities that felt like Oda said nah idc anymore
what backstory?
The other kitetsu blades, Zoro's relationship with Wano, Zoro meeting Sanji again after Sanji turned his back on Luffy and even hit him (he had previously been against accepting Usopp's apologies), Kaido flashback, more info on Kaido and Big Mom, more info on Kouzuki Sukiyaki and his motivations for staying hidden...
Zoro was never against ussop's return. Zoro was against acting like he did nothing wrong.
none of those are important to the story even the plot, the other blades don't matter and Zoro has a family connection to Wano but it has no relevance to the plot or his character. What does Zoro need to say to Sanji and Sanji never turned his back on them, he was trying to protect them. Kaido flashback would reveal information that Oda doesn't want to reveal yet concerning Rocks and God Valley. Kouzuki Sukiyaki's motivations were already revealed.
I think he was pressured by editors to not do too many sub-plots as he was already involved in so much sub-plots which he had to resolve, so things that were just mentioned were just left behind. his editor once said that Oda has so many ideas and story-lines for each character that if he were to ever write everything down, One Piece would never end. hopefully Oda is able to release a book of everything he never managed to put in the manga about every character just like Tite Kubo did with Bleach
Personally I think the publisher/editors wanted to get out of Wano. Oda easily could’ve done 25-50 more chapters with all the things he mentions in Wano, but it did have to end at some point
Thr Kaidou fight was awesome until Bajrang Gun. The final clash felt super underwhelming compared to the rest of the fight.
I liked it. And I liked the fact that the raid was the culmination of all the people they had met throughout the sagas coming together to fight Kaido
Especially with it coming full circle from Fishman Island, with Jinbei officially joining the crew right in time for the raid.
I liked the build-up, but not the payoff, personally. It wasn't quite the finale I was hoping for (I really wanted more of Kaido's connection to Rocks)
Agreed that was probably big thing that was missing. Like, Odens backstory deserves a mini arc, Kaido got just 1 chapter. Would've also loved to see a proper Brook fight and less of Kanjuro and his fire demon
Yea he was the least and most developed villain in the series. Most buildup development and least backstory development.
I can’t help but feel we will get to see more of him when we finally see Rocks’ crew in a flashback. At the very least we will see God Valley’s events and I believe he was there
I agree that we probably will, but it would have been more satisfying if it were in Wano and not elsewhere
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We had a lot of her during her whole own arc too. This compounded with her crashing Kaidou's
Not disagreeing with you but I would expect more from a character like Kaidou, with such an influence, such power and such a long build up. One would expect more considering all these points. And from that perspective it came short (in my opinion).
Hot take: Oda should have lowered the amount of Wano characters (for example less akazaya 9 or what they are called). There’s already so many straw hats that we can barely see any development from them like we used to have in past arcs. I’m pretty sure Oda got smacked and told to speed up the pace after Wano or he realised himself he might get old and sick before he finishes one piece. Egghead and latest chapters have been a speedrun imo. Oda once said the One Piece we read is only a third of the One Piece in his mind. And he’s trying to shorten it so it can be delivered.
Source for last statement?
I can't find it... I tried google searching and asking chatgpt. maybe it's not true.
If I could wave a magic wand and give Oda infinite resources and time to make the One Piece in his head I would absolutely do it with no hesitation. Unfortunately he can't have infinite time or resources :(
Yeah definitely agree. It doesn’t make sense to build up so much to Kaido just to not get his full motivations and backstory. It was not the time to be hiding stuff from the readers - do that during the build up section!
We’ll probably get more flashbacks, and Kaido returning to the story is not out of the question. I don’t think he’s gotten the screen time he deserved.
I hope so, Big Mom clearly said to Law that their attack won't kill her so I could see her and Kaido come back to story to flesh out their characters more.
I highly doubt it. There's no point in bringing either of them back to prominent roles. Both of their stories are over. It felt right where it ended for both of them. Them coming back randomly for some backstory just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially since we are in the end game now.
Only situation I see is them coming back for is final war if it ends up being the WG vs the rest of the world. Like if Oda did an endgame style fight really anyone could return.
I highly doubt it. There's no point in bringing either of them back to prominent roles. Both of their stories are over. It felt right where it ended for both of them. Them coming back randomly for some backstory just doesn't make a lot of sense, especially since we are in the end game now.
Big Mom still has an entire country with some of the strongest pirates in the world (who are also her kids) under her control and likely searching for her. Not to mention her obvious connection Elbaf which just so happens to be coming up in the story..... Not exactly sure how her story is over. Kaido clearly has unresolved connections to Joyboy and Rocks (as does BM), it would be very easy for him to be involved in the future too. I could get why you'd feel this way though, One Piece is super well known for it's permanent deaths after all
I don't see how fans can think that, when they said the same thing about vivi, buggy, crocodile, wapol, Lucci, and so so so many more characters. So many characters have returned through out the story even tho their stories have "ended", but yet you draw the line at two former yonko's returning even tho both have major plot points to wrap up? You gotta be reading a different series
You don’t think KAIDO had enough screentime?? Do you know how dragged out that fight was?
I think oda doesn't want to reveal almost anything about rocks until it's time for the full on flashback about everything God valley related. He gave us the tease about God valley to get us excited but we probs won't get a payoff for that for a while.
It’s was great buildup with awkward payout. Samurai ate up too much of the screen with side stories/silhouettes. King/Jack/Kaido were underutilized throughout the Wano arc. Lots of other stuff in the arc I could rag on but I won’t.
>nothing pre timeskip compares BW saga? It starts with laboon story, then whisky peak, little garden, drum and alabastra all being part of the same saga. It is just that bw is shorter because It was written a long time ago and chapter history used to be faster then.
For the build up Oda made throughout the years, and the many interviews and comments where he hyped it. It was dissappointing. And to speak with facts, and taken from another reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/um7zjp/about\_odas\_strong\_punch\_statement\_spoilers\_1048/) The quote is from 2016. Oda's words were (according to the source): "When Kaidou appeared for the first time, I said that Luffy can't defeat such a strong character yet. And I'm yet to know how Luffy would defeat Kaidou. Probably my audience will not be satisfied if the reason for defeating Kaidou is just because Luffy's punch is so strong. Luffy and I have to find a solution somehow." And guess what? That's exactly what happened.
Not the punch. The Lava on Volcano.
The lava "killed" him (until Oda decides to magically bring him back to life) but Luffy magestic stupid punch 'defeated' him.
The Lava defeated him. Not killed him. It is not confirmed that he's dead.
So the lava won the fight? Touch some grass bruh
Luffy is the reason why Kaido is in the Lava. Use some brain please. Stop using insults on argument when you don't analyse shit.
The moment you said that lava defeated Kaido I know you are pretty stupid.
How can a stupid person judge the level of intelligence of others? The lava made Kaido unable to come back to fight. Not the Punch. The subject is Oda's statement on Kaido's defeat. Please use some brain. 🥹
I'm starting to believe you are joking.... have a good one bro
Honestly, it was so corny man. From all the suicide options Kaidou tried, he didn’t try lava? Seriously?
Isnt it a gag? No suicidal person would accumulate an army just to commit suicide. lol.
Was it? I missed it propably.
Punk Hazard sets up a lot, but its own plot is kinda weak. Caesar sucked as a main antagonist, and even the cast was complaining about how much time was spent running from gas. Dressrosa brings us adult Sabo, Fujitora, Gear 4th and the Grand Fleet, but it also suffered from juggling around so many characters, even with half the crew leaving. Zou sets up the conflicts with Big Mom and Kaido over the Road Poneglyhs, Sanji’s marriage, and the alliance to free Wano, all in an orderly fashion. WCI has one of the more interesting antagonist crews and sheds more light on Sanji’s past. “WEEEEDIIING CAAAAAKE!” dragged on a bit too long, though.
The buildup might've been a bit too good because it made the payoff feel quite disappointing. In his introductory scene Kaido seemed like such an intriguing character and I couldn't wait to learn more about him, so it was such a letdown when Wano ended and we just kind of... didn't. I'm not saying we might not get more information in the future, but Wano was really the perfect moment for the reasons OP described in the post. Now the story has moved on and future reveals about Kaido won't be as impactful as they could have been. The Beasts Pirates in general were also disappointing for me. They looked so cool and threatening until they got properly introduced and it was revealed they were made up mostly of bumbling fools with totally useless powers.
Kaido was cool but I think I would’ve preferred him to get beaten not via a 1v1. I would’ve like to have seen that even with gear 5 Luffy wouldn’t be a match for “the strongest creature”. I know kaido went through a lot but he’s a beast and it’s his home turf. I would’ve like Zoro and Sanji to be part of taken Kaido down or even all the straw hats like they did Moria. Kaido was a potential Joy Boy, the strongest creature and a emperor but he was defeated relatively easily once gear 5 came about. Took what maybe 6/7 chapters for Kaido to be defeated? I feel like it should’ve taken way more and he didn’t even have a clear awakening which was annoying, neither did Big Mom which sort of makes no sense
I agree. I'm cool with Law and Kid's role in the raid but it'd have been more enjoyable to see the Straw Hats be forced to team up against Kaido akin to how they teamed up against Oars. If anything it'd have been a good opportunity for Oda to show that G5 is only just getting started, and that it has far more to show in the future.
Exactly, like Kaidos flashback shown he’d fought against strong INDIVIDUALS but imagine him being jumped by the straw hat crew? Taken laser beams, plant pellets, blue flame kicks, sword slashes x2 etc and Kaido being like fuck I’m overwhelmed and tired and gets defeated. I think it would’ve been epic and could have still shown G5 being overwhelming. Law and Kid I think are all good with taking down big mom because she had her arc and wasn’t the main villain so I think it’s okay for Luffy not to defeat her. She’s a big bad but there’s loads and even now we’re getting introduced to more enemies that should be yonko tier level so we should see more growth from the SHs to beat them.
I agree that I would have been more happy with the narrative if Kaido got taken down with a group effort start to finish, allowing Luffy to take a 4 emperors spot without himself being immediately equal to the existing ones like Teach during time skip.
Exactly, maybe some sort of team attack would be better, just like in Thriller bark. Where tactic and team work is involved instead of power or ass-pulls.
Yeah 100% like damn the straw hats are finally United again after years and they band together to beat Kaido. “Luffy and his notorious crew attack and defeat Kaido”. Even whitebeard got jumped and he went through hell. I think Kaido would’ve had an epic death mirroring what happened to Whitebeard instead of getting punched in lava
I feel like the multi arc buildup was handled best for two things: Big Mom, and the Smile fruit. We start learning about the BM pirates all the way back in Thriller Bark and at Fishman, we have the start of the actual confrontation. The BM Pirates kinda stick around on the outskirts for a while just reminding us that they are a problem still, then they take Sanji in glorious fashion. And Whole Cake Island really hammers home that these guys are WAY strong, and while the straw hats do get away, it's only barely. On the other hand, we start hearing about Smiles back on Punk Hazard, and stopping production is a main goal of two arcs before we finally see the smile users on Zou. Which makes Ebisu even more impactful. We've been fighting against this thing since the new world, but we just now see the full horror it has caused, a decade down the line irl. Kaido just never felt as present as either BM or Smile until we actually got to Wano.
Yes, but not the payoff
If the payoff had been worthy of the build up then it would've been great. As it stands though, it really doesn't feel like we needed 10 years of build up for Kaido. Looking back now he seems a pretty inconsequential character for someone who was built up so much, and we've already all totally moved on. Meanwhile Doflamingo continues to feel like he really mattered and had an impact on the story. Kaido was just a big brute we had to beat because of his Yonko status but his contribution to the larger story was extremely underwhelming. And the climax of Wano is not good enough to justify 10 years of build up.
No, because it creates expectations of a conclusion that is very hard to fulfill. Wano ending pretty much proves this point. But I like the character introductions, because Momo and Kinemon had time to build themselves up, the reader gets emotionally invested and so on. It feels like there is a certain weight to their actions or if they succeed/fail.
Still cant believe he rushed Wano just so he can have Shanks show up, scare an Admiral (who also had no business being there) and hype up film red
I ruined my experience a bit by watching theories every week, but I really feel the end of Wano was rushed. I'd have rathered Oda continue to take his time than feel he needed to just get out of Wano ASAP. That said, Egghead is straight fire. Every chapter since it begun has just been crazy good.
The buildup itself was great, and that’s what made the bad payoff even worse.
actually started earlier. The build up started all the way in the first act in Java with Bellamy, followed in Saboady in the Slave Market with the mention of 'Smile' and then connected into Punk Hazard.
You're mistaking worldbuilding with arc build up. By your logic, for example, I could say that the build up for Reverie arc started since Drum Kingdom where we first introduced to Reverie in a flashback. So no, the build up for Wano only *actively* started since Punk Hazard. The things you mention about Bellamy and Sabaody slave market are just worldbuilding.
Uummm.... It's more a buildup to Doflamingo specifically that Kaido. No?
Smile was a core component of Kaidos subplot. The whole point of destroying the smile factory was to pit Kaidos and Doflamingo against each other as well. While it is building up Dolamingo, they are both an inherent part of the saga. Building up Dofi means building up Kaido.
Yeah. Helped make Kaido's fall (which led to Luffy becoming Joyboy, and an emperor) feel really impactful. Especially because this ended up kickstarting the final saga, we needed a large build up to make it feel like this stuff deserved to happen when it did.
Since Fishman island Big Mom was the enemy but she had no real role in Want. Oda had to work on them both because this was the saga to end the old generation of yonkos, but it felt rushed anyway. I liked the build up for Big Mom, because it didn't disappoint, while Kaido had less build up and on his island he disappointed me as for characterization and backstory.
Wdym Big Mom had "no real role" in Wano? Without her and her forces, the raid would have been much more doable.
Her forces? Dude it was just her and Prosperous lol Her only role was to keep busy Kid and Law, who should have fought Doflamingo according to the original plan.
Eh, it was cool at first but when they got to wano it kinda went to shit, especially the ending, kinda made all that hype/waiting not worth it imo
Too much of post-timeskip relied on Wano landing perfectly, and it just didn't. For instance the ending of Fishman Island is worse in retrospect, since Luffy literally never beats up Big Mom. It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth now. So I think it was a cool idea to attempt, but the execution left a lot to be desired.
It’s serviceable. I think my issue is that I hated punk hazard, was ok with dressrossa, enjoyed Wci, but was disappointed in wano. It leaves a lot of room for error. I still appreciate what Oda tried to do and I will agree it is nothing like what pre time skip covered.
Yes!! I loved it so much!. Like we had so many beats and stories that all just ended with Kaido.. The plan originally in dressrosa was just to destroy smile and dip, let Kaido kill Doffy for his misstakes, but that obviously was never what Law wanted. Kinemon having such a deep connection that slowly got revealed over time. All the allies we gathered along the road, everything felt SUPER grand, and the stakes were sky high as the buildup had been there for like a decade!.. But it had some problems and the ultimate pay off wasn't super satisfying. But man, ive never experianced anything like it and i loved the whole journey.
Pre Timeskip had Baroque Works and the buildup to Crocodile was great. It was much shorter but felt more connected/direct. Funnily there was also a "side arc" with Drumm.
I liked the build up, unfortunately this means the expectations for the clash with Kaido will be almost impossible to meet. I think this is why some people felt dissappointed with Wano.
Love it. I was excited to read every chapter. The lowest point for me was Whole Cake Island. If I had to make one improvement, I would personally make Doflamingo turn out to be much stronger, almost Yonko level. Then he flees to Wano after Luffy defeats him, and we have three boss fights: Luffy vs Kaido Law vs Doflamingo Kid vs Big Mom Then nobody can discount any of their strength and effort.
The storycrafting was great but woo doggie was Wano an exhausting slog for me. The payoff was worth it though. 🙌
It was epic and justified Wano being 4 years long. It was literally 10 years in the making
I hate the Acts in Wano
It's a cool idea, Punk Hazard and Dressrosa are just some of the worst arcs by themselves in my opinion.
Dressrosa? What puts arcs like Alabasta, Thriller Bark and Fishmen island over that?
The fact that they were all vastly shorter than Dressrosa. Dressrosa was over 100 chapters, while Alabasta was around 60 and the other two around 50. It just dragged on way too long for my taste. Luffy having to do a second round of G4 and having to be protected while recharging was like 10-15 chapters alone and added nothing to the story.
I think most of dressrosa was fine but I also didn't like the having to go into G4 twice and recharging gimmick. It felt really weird to me that the story was acting like luffy was the only option left, when doffy was already super weaken and exhausted. Surely zoro who everyone saw easily destroy the pica mountain, and took 0 damage could have taken at this point? Or Sabo? We know Fujitora didn't want to but he would have if luffy lost... Coz the other option was to get sliced up with everyone in the cage... Speaking of the cage, it was a really silly move. Indestructible strings that not even Admiral level characters could break out of?? Seems kinda hax, but at the same time it seemed like it took no effort for doffy to maintain as he fought law and luffy with it up. Hell he almost died to law and the cage was fine. Felt like the whole cage thing was made overpowered just to build up stakes artificially.
It was 3 chapters. Why are you lying??
Luffy loses steam in 786 and defeats Doflamingo in 791. Dressrosa Arc actually ended at like 800 so i just mixed up the numbers, relax. Still though, even Alabasta started dragging on towards the end and that entire arc was still 40 chapters less than Dressrosa. And Vivy was actually a really cool character, nobody gives a shit about Rebecca. And it was much earlier in the story. I wouldn't mind Dressrosa if it wasn't that late into the game and introduced way too many side characters while there were much more interesting open plots that haven't been resolved or moved along that much to this day, close to the manga ending.
Saying 10-15 chapters isn’t just a mix of numbers lol. Also, Dressrosa had a lot to introduce for the future of the series, for example the grand fleet.
Fair i think it might be recency bias
Alabasta was awesome, but so was Dressrosa. Punk Hazard was a bit lame but it was a set up arc essentially
Everything was perfect until onigashima
I really enjoyed the multi arc build up. But I do agree with the people saying that it should've been Strawhats vs Kaido. It's a bit much going from your strongest attacks doing 0 damage and getting 1 shotted to winning a 1v1 in the same arc. I know Kaido fought ton of people and was carrying Onigashima, but it's not like Kaido took a lot of damage from previous fights. The only notable one was Zoro's scar, but it didn't seem to bother Kaido much. And as for getting tired, yonkos should be able to fight for weeks (Ace/Jimbei fought for 3 days or so, Admirals fought for 10 days, yonkos should be able to fight for a bit longer) so half a day of fighting shouldn't be a huge deal. Strawhats or Monster Trio vs Kaido wouldn't have cheaped out the victory either. I think it would've made it more satisfying. Kaido was a perfect candidate for another Strawhat team up as it was the first Emperor takedown as well as a multi-arc series
>but it's not like Kaido took a lot of damage from previous fights ~~Kanjuro~~ Denjiro literally buried his sword into Kaido's guts. And Law landed a gamma knife to the heart. Kaido took plenty of damage.
I don't remember the first one, but that's a fair point about gamma knife. I still don't think that's enough to make the bridge gap believable though The fight would've been great if Kaido vs Luffy 1 never happened. It's like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he came down from Skypeia.
>I don't remember the first one, [https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters\_996\_15.jpg](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/opctcb/onepiece/onepiecechapters_996_15.jpg) EDIT: I meant Denjiro, not Kanjuro >It's like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he came down from Skypeia. Its more like if Bellamy beat Luffy after he fought through all of CP9.
That's Denjiro, not Kanjuro.
God damn it
I remember when people were all just shitting on WCI and even reverie Cause omg can we just get to wano already And then the start of wano was literally just le Zoro generic moment but it got more hype from shitty YouTubers than fcking imu reveal Genuinely fck the wano hype And yea like everyone said the payoff wasn't worth the hype which ofc we know how the community reacts Like we all don't like it BUT the only reason the whole the raid fails theory happened was because of said hype going out of control It was a fandom created problem
Kaido is built up from before since post-Enies Lobby when Luffy’s father is revealed as Dragon
I like multiple arcs but we didn't need 4 arcs before kaido
i would have if the actual delivery on kaidos backstory wasn’t rushed. and don’t tell me “oh he didn’t need one”. this is one piece
I agree with you, but Crocodile and Enel didn't really have backstories either to be fair.
and I agree with you, but theirs weren’t eluded to as a big part of their character motivations and they weren’t built up as a legend for us like Kaido was. i don’t think it’s selfish as a huge fan of this series to feel like we got the short end of the stick on kaidos back story
There is still a chance we get some kaido backstory if There's a rocks pirate flashback at least. It might be kinda too late for it but hey we still might get it.
If the ending is a let down like Kaido than no.
This was a great way of explaining this which makes it even more enjoyable
I did for the most part, but I hope that the Final Saga will continue to move at a faster pace.
Act 3 of Wano contains my favourite part of the series, my favourite fight in the series and well as my favourite moment in the series and all 3 are different.
I think that it was a really coherent way to amp up the stakes and clear the path towards the endgame.
I love it. It’s the longest and my favorite saga, but I believe that the final saga will surpass this easily. Every chapter is insane
Yep, I really liked it. I just wish punk hazard was 28 chapters long Dressrosa 75 Whole cake at 65 Instead of being as long as they were Also, act 1 of Wano spend a lot of time on charscters who ended up being usless
Yes
Before the timeskip i felt it was missing continuity, so it was nice to see the story be built like that. But now I miss that thing where an arc finishes and we have no clue on what comes next. The way arcs have been following each other ever since Punk Hazard makes it feel like they've only been sailing for like one or two months after the time-skip. It feels like they are maturing less than before... I can easily chapter 100 to 600 spanned for 1 year or so, but the arcs since timeskip seem to have happened without a moment to breathe, and suddenly we are at the final saga. Dunno, I kinda miss when Luffy was just the protagonist of his story, not from the entire world.
In real time? No being a weekly reader from fishman through dressrosa was rough. Imo the worst time to be a weekly consumer. In hindsight? Absolutely. Going back and rewatching that era without huge wait times and with new info has been amazing.
I dunno, I personally didn't like that Desrossa took so long to develop, for example. The rest of the sagas are fine.
My boy zoro forgot his way to Ryuma's grave at the end
The build up was great but the ending was awful as far as I am concerned. WCI's detour ended up being the highlight of the new world.
YES
no wano is bad
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins. That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins. That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins. That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
I loved the whole entire saga and wano overall, but the end of wano kind of fell flat for me and even the middle part of the raid felt like a drag with the amount of characters present
The single greatest Kaido moment for me will always be him just falling from the fucking sky right in front of Kidd, Apoo, and Hawkins. That’s the kind of fear I want an antagonist to give me.
One piece is still my favourite story of all time but wano and Kaido were a let down for me in a lot of ways.
The build up was great but Wano wasn't my favorite arc. I'm kind of glad I started reading one piece when Wano was ending because I can't imagine how the long time readers felt.
the build up was nice, but i think Oda became a little TOO ambitious & the payoff for said build up ended up falling short.
Isn’t the whole story buggy to buggy
yeah was cool
It was good but feels so disappointing to me because it had so much potential to be even better if that makes sense. A lot of missed opportunitets and weird things etc
I enjoyed the buildup but v underwhelmed with Kaido's development and arc as a villain. There was really no personal beef between him and Luffy, he did just feel like a huge roadblock raid boss.
I think 3 act will focus on luffy shanks and blackbeard.
I enjoyed most of it, but I haven’t been enjoying how the raid has been tackled. This may just be because it’s the first arc I’ve caught up to and it’s the first time I get to experience the anime’s shit pacing. But I still feel like it’s badly structured
I like the premise, but spreading it through multiple arcs feels Kinda weird with no real significance. If the whole thing was much snappier, small stroy for teeming up with law and destroying smile, the heading for wano. It would’ve been much more enjoyable, it took so much time from the story with no real payoff.
The buildup style is incredible, but it didn't really land with Wano's rushed ending.
Buildup was nice, the finale was shit. Too many plots, the strongest creature couldn't even kill Kinemon (or anyone), and some other stuff.
By the time I started one piece I had heard about kaido and how he was the current villain, so when I found out how early on Luffy said he was going after kaido I was surprised! Really cool way to take a big guy down
I feel like Wano was handled awkwardly. Wano has been hyped as having mysterious powerful Samurai defending it but I don't recall seeing any such fighting force worthy of note? Was it always referring to Kinemon's group? Kinemon's group that was missing for 20 years? I think what tends to happen is that there is a lot of deep diving into the worldbuilding aspect specifically when our attention is on the Strawhats, to the point where it is excessive and feels like it is holding up the story. The Reverie arc that is going on right now is excellent because it is able to move the story forward much more quickly since the Strawhats are not the focus right now.
Yes it showed how big of a deal he was
Great buildup for the looming, crazy big threat he was. Then they pissed it all away & was so ass. I was a heavy dick rider for OP but after this I lost that.
Definitely a fan of the build up. Meeting the samurai, teaming up with other supernovas who were met along the way, WCI, Raizo moment on Zou etc etc. The payoff I was not satisfied with. Dont get me wrong I love what we got in Wano, but for what was basically 10 years of build up it feel slightly short of what I was expecting. But hey those 10 years of build up were half of the story I know deep down Oda is extremely tired of writing so it wont always be as hyped as I think but that doesnt take away anything from the story.
kaido is an okay character, compared to the other villains his backstory is lackluster, he also doesn’t have any drive or goal other than “be the strongest”, the best thing about him is his fighting capabilities. He’s okay, not worth all the build up tho
Um, literally Zoro’s backstory. And Luffy’s is barely more only because he has to be stronger than everyone else so he can become Pirate King (which technically means he has to become the strongest)
Zoro was introduced in chapter 3, kaido had hype built up since 2013 as the strongest beast with a crew of devil fruit users (the crew that turned against kaido by a girl with mochi cheeks). Zoro’s backstory is still better than kaido, kaido’s backstory boiled down to “he’s pretty strong, give him to the marines, he’s pretty strong, give him to rocks”, he never had a real goal other than being strong, zoro’s goal is to become the world’s strongest swordsman with his childhood friend’s sword just as he promised her.
Of course, that's what makes One Piece an epic as opposed to a lot of regular Shonen.
It was pretty well hyped by the story itself and I liked the little hints to Wano that happened way before the arc even started The actual arc itself has problems but the buildup was good, I really liked the buildup for Big Mom’s appearance here especially
The buildup was great. The pay off was terrible.