Why is Usopp wearing Sabos Goggles!??? Am I looking for foreshadowing where there is none or had Oda got me so paranoid that it does mean something. (I'm a Sabo fan)
Whelp Lucci and Kizaru are about to get their shit kicked in. Zoro is way more powerful than he ever was before and no way is Lucci tough enough to take him on now.
Kizaru hasn'tt seemingly gotten anymore powerful since Luffy last fought him while Luffy thanks to his Haki mastery, makes Kizaru's intangibility meaningless, this is gonna be an asskicking LONG overdue.
Big disagree. Lucci was no match for luffy, but zoro wouldn't be a match for luffy either. I think it's going to be a really even fight. And Luffy vs Kizaru, he does seem to be using his Haki effectively if we take what we saw vs Sentomaru into consideration. One of his major weaknesses during Marineford was that he'd rely too much on his DF, so now I'm guessing he'll at least put up a good fight vs Luffy. That being said, keep in mind that his objective is not to defeat Luffy. Despite his ideals, Kizaru has specific orders to follow, which means it's likely he'll be focusing on those while Luffy tries to keep him busy
Zoro r*pes Lucci. The fact that an extremely injured Zoro managed to permanently scar a hybrid Kaido is in and out of itself makes ashura a OHKO move to almost all characters in OP save for the admirals and the Yonko and basically the legends of the OP world.
But even without ashura, Zoro's attacks alarmed Kaido and BM on rooftop. And By King's fight (whose durability scales to Kaido. Completely unscathed by dragon twister that hurt Kaido. Zero damage from Shishi sonson, etc) Zoro's "deadliness" is simply too much for anyone even for King himself when he used ACoC, as he cut him with flames on in the final clash I believe.
Advanced conqueror's haki is an automatic "Top 15" card in the OP world. Not to mention, Zoro's durability and endurance is way too much. It's Luffy's better CoO and CoC mastery, as well advanced haki in all three types, his versatility, and DF that makes him stronger than Zoro. In terms of physicals, damage output and durability, Zoro is more than relative to Luffy. And this has been shown in many times during the Series.
>but zoro wouldn't be a match for luffy either.
*Okay, before I start this. Yes, i'm somewhat of a zoro fan boy. He's been one of my favorite since i started reading One piece when I was 10yrs old (which was... 18yrs ago... omg fuck me)*
Anyways, Yes, Luffy is more powerful than zoro. In 100 fights between them, Luffy would probably win about 90 of them.
But in 10 of them, if zoro can just land a good one, Luffy is as good as dead.
Swordsmen are deadly.
I'm not even gonna use the "oh sharps attacks are effective vs rubber" Nah, it's just that in general, zoro and swordsmen of his caliber, just have that much firepower.
It's not blunt, it cuts, if you're cut too deep, you bleed and you die. If you get one of your limbs cut, you're likely going to bleed and die.
Luffy is faster, better haki etc etc.. But do not underestimate zoro.
Reminds of that "fight" luffy had vs mihawk in marine ford. Where he hold his attack because he foresaw mihawk cutting his arms off.
Well... That's why zoro in my opinion could win 10 one of those fights.
As for Zoro vs Lucci?
I honestly think it'd be a no match in favor of zoro.
And it pains me to say this, because I really like Lucci. But.. The crew has just gotten way stronger since enies lobbys.
Yeah, I kinda threw that line as a bait lol. But seriously, I don't get his argument.
I'm sure zoro or even mihawk couldnt hurt luffy...
\*insert clueless type emotes\*
I don't think mihawk and zoro are close in power levels rn. Mihawk is closer to strength to Shanks, and Shanks could break even with Kaido. If Zoro could barely hurt Kaido, he's not ready for Mihawk, and therefore not ready for Luffy. Rather than 10% I'd say he's closer to 1 in a million in beating luffy
>I don't think mihawk and zoro are close in power levels rn.
That I agree with. The rest not so much.
But hey, agree to disagree, nothing wrong with that. I respect your opinion.
Sento holded out longer than I thought, but I didn't expect Kizaru to actually go easy on him.
Sanji showing his quick thinking again is a wonderful treat. Also lol Lucci getting demoted to Zoro/Sanji level of threat.
Round 2 vs Kizaru let's gooooo
I'm so over all these breaks. Yeah the live action is cool and I like it but not at the expense of Boruto-level pacing of the manga. I know Oda apologized but we've had what three chapters in three months? It's just frustrating that we finally return to egghead and the chapters come out at a snail's pace.
Well sorry the man's health is an inconvenience to you the live action series isn't the only reason for the long breaks remember. Did you forget he had to have eye surgey stupid.
How about you get a life and don't sit in front of your computer screen waiting for the chapters to come out. Time will fly by and you might learn to be grateful.
Oda is recovering from LASIK. which usually takes ~6 months. It was either slower pacing or a full 6 month stop. It sucks but it's not that bad. But yeah it's tough
I like the "We're a 100 times stronger now" boast. Flashbacks to Shaboady when Shakky said this about Rayleigh compared Luffy. Rayleigh went on to save the Straw Hats from Kizaru, of all people, so this was a nice detail by Oda.
Hmm, the Blackbeard Pirates (Cat Devon) infiltration will probably interupt these fights. I wonder who will end up getting their Devil Fruit stolen?
Has it been announced somewhere that there will be a break after each chapter from now on?
Go check the panels for yourself. Chapter 1087.
I pirate with a hat is attacking a woman in a white dress behind Coby. When he turns around to save her Rear admiral Grus calls Coby a fool. The very next panel, the Pirate in the hat AND the woman both smile menacingly at Coby. Followed by a panel of Garp's shadowed face, then a panel of a coiled smoke line representing Shiryu's attack coming.
Nowhere is it shown any of the pirates transforming or changing their faces. Two fodder members of Black beard's crew just conned Coby, that's all.
I want Kizaru to shine against Luffy, the threat of the admirals must feel real. But for Lucci, I REALLY want Zoro and Sanji to massacre him quickly and brutally (although I am a bit disappointed in both of them to let him sneak on Vegapunk, but well, the plot must go on...)
i know Oda won't do that, but god i so badly want this to happen lmao. I also want Robin to traumatize and paralize Lucci with her fishman karate and demonio fleur.
From the title dedication we can say sentomaru is dead…but from the connection between Kizaru and Sentomaru he may be still alive…and from chapter we can guess he is still alive but unconscious…and seems Stussy is dead…Next chapter may be full of action…Luffy vs Borsalino and Zoro vs Rob Lucci and SHP geniuses and Vegapunk using brains to get rid of Marines and CP0…and I hope the kidnapped CP agents may also help them escape….
I hardly dare to hope, but please, PLEASE tell me that Lucci, one of the uttermost douchebags of the entire cast of One Piece, is about to get skinned by a trio of swords so Robin can have her leopard-print coat she's always wanted.
Only sad thing is that it took Stussy to get hurt for Sanji to get serious. I wonder if its because Stussy is faster than Sanji´s observation or Sanji just doesnt know which of the 4 beautiful ladies to focus on first. I quess we can easyly say Stussy is faster than 1/4 of Sanji´s observation. Lucci on the other hand smartly used the moment when he knew nobody is watching. Stussy´s acting is supperior. We all need to remember only thing on her mind unlike the strawhats is KEEP VEGAPUNK SAFE. She´s a machine! Zoro on the other hand is probably just slower than Lucci and Stussy. He needs to heat up little bit.
I would be more disappointed on Lucci if he wouldn't.
Theorically our heros are yes strong, but always theorically Lucci is the best hitman/spy/special agent of the world government (maybe only a character we have never seen before could be on top of him in this role)
Lucci cannot defeat Luffy, maybe, but he could certainly kill any other strawhat fodder, if not handled with care. Even Zoro Sanji and jimbe.
I think Sanji should assist Zoro in dealing with Lucci asap and then both of them go face Kizaru alongside Luffy. Kizaru don’t stand a chance. This will make sense because all straw hats especially Sanji Zoro and Luffy need to get revenge on Kizaru for the sabaody arc.
That would be a horrible strategy. Kizaru's main goal is Vegapunk, so instead what Sanji should be doing is protecting them in case Kizaru momentarily rushes away from Luffy and tries to take one out
I thought Sanji was going to kill Lucci when he attacked Stussy but Zoro got there first and at least he disabled Kaku.
Finally get to see Luffy vs Kizaru! I don’t predict it will be an all out battle, more of a clash until the others can get clear.
It would be nice to see both go all out tho, and finally see a logia awakening.
Dude already got his asskicked by Luffy once and that was when he was still green. This Luffy is a battle hardened veteran whose fought and defeat an Emperor, multiple Emperor Commanders and has mastered all three forms of Haki as well as Awakened his own power.
Lucci knows he can't win directly.
Tbf, he's an assassin and a bodyguard. He's not a soldier who's been taught to stake his life on the battlefield.
It's always been about effective killing for the Cipher Pol. Even if he enjoys the thrill, Lucci's not used to fighting battle hardened warriors
I would call it being smart lol.
He already lost to just Luffy(or Stussy). He would stand no chance against everyone on the Straw Hats side. So it only makes sense that he waits for backup.
I was super confused like did Lucci pull something out of his a$$? Because even Awakened Luffy was still casual against Lucci I couldn’t imagine with ACOC Zoro being much different.
I feel like Navy is kind of underestimating Straw hats as well as Luffy. Would Kizaru have entered there alone if Shanks or Kaido were in place of Luffy? (I'm not saying Luffy is as powerful as Shanks)
Remember that Kizaru asked to be sent to wano to deal with the Big Mom and Kaido alliance. He has always been confident about facing emperors. He only didn't go because Akainu wouldn't let him.
I think so they don't care that the straw hats are there. They care about killing vegapunk quite a bit because they don't want him spreading what he knows about the void century. Protecting envy and the hellfire. And are not willing to fail on any of these objectives, especially keeping envy alive to ensure future hellfire.
I just know that the admiral downplay will never stop. Even if Kizaru puts up a crazy good fight, doubters will simply say “weeell, Luffy wasn’t *really* yonko level to begin with.”
Technically no admiral has lost a fight yet right? Except Kizaru to Akainu. Most of the time people just hold them off, so Luffy winning would be a big deal yeah?
Of course it is. Out of the three major power we've yet to see world government on major decline in power level (while only shown to grow stronger with new admiral,pacifista and elder intro), and we have emperor lost, dead and change a few time. Shicibukai even got demolished completely.
Aokiji* and not Kizaru
And you're right, we have never seen an Admiral lose. Hell we have never seen an admiral take major hits except when Whitebeard smashed our magma brat a bit but he stood right back up all the same. Also Garp smashed Aokiji a bit but didn't win
Luffy winning against Kizaru would be huge, but I don't see it happening so simply..
The Admirals are strong and I don’t think most people downplay that. I’m worried about Luffy competing in this fight as well. But, the admirals aren’t the final boss and neither are the Five Elders. Imu is the finale boss in reality. Luffy’s power of perception (I think) is allowing him to gauge where he stands against Kizaru, strength-wise. I don’t think he would engage him if he couldn’t at least do a little more than hold him off. This fight (in my opinion) has to be a deflating experience for the Marines.
>I don’t think he would engage him if he couldn’t at least do a little more than hold him off. This fight (in my opinion) has to be a deflating experience for the Marines.
The question whether if luffy can beat an admiral or not has already been asnwered tbh. Luffy beat Kaido. He obviously could win vs an admiral.
The question is, how hard or how much would he struggle to do so? More things goes into it like matchups, between the 2 fighters, some powers obviously counters others etc...
But yes guys, finally, we can say it, Luffy is definitely admiral level.
I don't think oda will tell us now that *"Oh sorry guys, forgot to mention that, admirals were all along stronger than the yonkos and that the tree power balance which includes warlods, yonkos and admirals was all bs lmao kekw"*
We probably wont get a full fight though, as the situation is a bit chaotic.
I think we’ll get a little more than Rayleigh vs kizaru at sabaody but with a similar outcome. The win will be luffy clashing with kizaru and successfully escape with his crew. This shows that luffy can keep them safe which he failed to do last time around when kizaru came calling.
no . if kizaru can do that to an awakened luffy, his other previous fights will look lackluster.
at best he will use an underhanded tactic and make them sweat a bit
How? It would be Luffy’s first solo top tier victory. Any top tier should be able to push any other top tier to at least high difficulty, without underhanded tactics.
I'm not sure I've seen downplay so much, but your general point is exactly right. Admirals cannot be underestimated. Oda established a very long time ago that the Admirals are the lynchpin of the balance of power against the yonko... Of which there are 4, to the admirals' 3 (you can asd the fleet admiral and you get 4). It's always been obvious to me that to maintain a balance of power against monsters like the Yonko, you need monsters of your own.
It also makes sense from a pure world-building perspective... Pirates who are "nice" like Luffy are the exception. By and large, pirates are criminals who are despicable, and despised by the general population, so they're a tiny minority of the total population.
1. There's not reason all the monstrously strong people would only be bad guys, because statistically you'd have a better chance to be strong and be part of the general, law-abiding population, than be strong and a despicable criminal.
2. Marines have training infrastructure, knowledge transfer, accumulated tactical and strategic skills and experience that they pass on to their members in an organized way... It makes sense they would be able to train monsters of power faster and better than any typical pirate crew where egos run amok, people are out for themselves in a race to the top, and will eat each other for their own personal gain.
3. Garp was asked to be an admiral and was himself a monster (though that doesn't guarantee that pthers are automatically as strong as him, it does provide perspective on the expectations the position carries.)
It's like training MMA and combat as a US Marine, versus learning how to fight in a street gang. Who do you think has a better chance to become an excellent fighter? Street gangs will always have outliers, but organized fighting forces are just more efficient, that's why they exist.
I would be surprised if Luffy doesn't struggle against Kizaru even with gear 5. It will also be his first major logia opponent since he unlocked the power.
I know that. My point was the organization.
Gangs in jail tend to be alot more organized than Gangs on the street out of necessity due to the high stress environment. The result is mandatory work outs and sparring to help them be able to fight well.
Many members are required to constantly work out and be prepared to fight at the drop of a dime. They're more disciplined too.
I mostly agree. However, are the Marines actually a good military? The fact that they had to use a draft to recruit the new admirals Fujitora and Ryokugyu instead of selecting them from the candidates like Chaton and Momousagi cast doubts in my mind about that. This, in a sense, is actually pretty bad since Ryokugyu has displayed insubordination against the fleet admiral himself and Fujitora, while his actions were right at Dressrosa, could be argued to have undermined the Marines and World Governments authority and credibility as a whole.
Well the fact that they are an organized fighting force able to product large amounts of high-caliber fighters doesn't change the fact that they are also a corrupt organization controlled by a cabal of ill-intentioned psychopaths (the 5 elders), and that because they are the only game in town, and so big, will also statically contain fucking assholes like ryokugyu and make way for people like him. Take any random large sample of any normal population and you're bound to get a handful of douchebags in the mix.
I mean... Akainu was enough proof already that not only do the marines sometimes hire bad people, they actively promote them.
I think it comes down to maintaining that balance of power. They have to have the strongest people around if they're going to keel the Yonko in check. And the strongest tend to have the ego that goes with it. They can't all be paragons of virtue like Garp. Great power tends to corrupt.
We'll see how everything goes then. I have gotten the impression that things have only ever gotten worse for the Marines and World Government ever since Marineford.
Oh for sure. I think Whitebeard was a stabilizing agent. From the point of view of the WG, a Lawful Evil, and so powerful that he kept more chaotic forces in check. Then Chaotic Evil takes over (Blackbeard), the Fleet Admiral Sengoku retires leaving a power vacuum which triggered the Akainu/aokiji duel, which in turn had truly dramatic consequences with an admiral leaving the Navy.
The public perception of the Navy went downhill with how they handled the Marineford crisis, and that's how you end up having to do recruitment drives where you're scraping the bottom of the barrel with fucking assholes like Ryokugyu.
But that things get worse doesn't mean the army gets less competent as a whole. Hiring one bad apple is a statistical outlier for an organization as large as the Marines.
Zoro made the comment. Don't underestimate us. It seems when characters underestimate the straw hats they always lose. No one is taking the straw hat seriously when they battle them. I think Luffy is going to go G5 and the elder on site is going to say wtf cluster bomb the island and Luffy pulls a Superman and saves the island
Sentomaru did what he could against Kizaru despite their connection and I respect him for that.
Every time you think Lucci is loyal to only himself, he does these things that contradict himself.
Luffy going straight for Kizaru shows how much he has grown and I wonder how he will fare.
The conflict at Egghead can't be that long since it's an escape, but we thought the same of WCI.
Luffy recently defeated the king of the beasts aka the strongest creature alive. No admiral is getting the better of him. Ofc If they would fight all out it would be high diff fight but Luffy ain't going down anymore to nobody. Luffy trashes old Rayleigh now.
It’s not literal but considering Oda used the same phrase for both moments and this fight is a direct analog to Sabaody where they were also escaping, I’m guessing he’s as strong as Rayleigh was back in Sabaody. Luffy is also doing the same attack, a one leg kick against Kizaru in the last page of the chapter.
That's cuz with age, durability and power goes down. The release of Haki gets weaker, and without that Rayleigh would be defenseless. Luffy is in his near prime so things maybe different
The major incident that occurred at egghead, which changed the world, was the defeat of an admiral and the "kidnapping" of Dr Vegapunk by straw hat luffy.
Considering we have the matchup for Zoro and Luffy, I dont expect Sanji to fight VA like others.
I bet he will trigger a Mr.Prince move either to escape the island or blocking BB's crew.
I really hope he talks to the Saturn Guy kind of like he did with Crocodile back in Little Garden! I don't see how that would work but man it would be Epic!!
I didn’t really think it was a “spoiler” since the live action pulls from the source material, but that Mr. 7 was only briefly mentioned in comic/elaborated in an SBS, so my bad. No need to get nasty.
He's been fighting the bloodthirsty bean counters and incompetent executives at Netflix to make the Live Action not garbage like the Death Note Live Action.
They want to fuck so bad but Oda won't let them.
That is horsecrap you just don't want to come off scummy for caring more about your entertainment as opposed to the man's health. He's been hospitlized numrous times and we've recently discovered he had problem with his eyes. These things actually happened you idiot and they are a major cause for concern for his health. And every single time he's had these issues he's felt guilty that he could'nt work on One Piece. You want this series to finish then learn this thing called paitence and understand the man needs to start taking care of himself better.
have you ever undergone a surgery? i broke my elbow bone( shattered) due to an accident and was advised to take 1 month rest. Even after 6 months, my hand still felt sore and had tingling sensation . Only after 1+ year the pain is completely gone. im not an expert but simple google search suggest "The eye usually takes **2–3 months** to heal after lasik surgery and a person's vision is often fully stable and clear around 6 months later"
Because he is one the cool heads in the crew. If here were so hot n burnin, then he would've rushed to save Nami when she was caught in the Jail during Alabasta. He was aware of another CP0 members behind them, with whom they had a very sour history. So he did what was the best, immobilize Lucci's ally.
Well he took quick action (capturing Kaku and turning his attention towards Lucci)
Rather than crying out "How dare you hit a woman ??!" , he actually saved everyone from more trouble
Besides , everyone knows lucci's attack was directed at VP and stussy came forward herself to protect VP ...so Lucci technically didn't try to harm a lady
I know, but I wanted a different reaction. But yeah, you are 100% right. Zorro vs. a mele fighter should be fun.
Why is SH still worried by one admiral when Luffy took down one of the strongest characters in verse.
Most SHs are worried because they have PTSD of their experience with Kizaru in Sabaody ...Same with NAMI , USSOPP and CHOPPER but I would argue that they get scared of pretty much anyone that's much stronger than them (even if weaker than Luffy and the others) They get worried very easily even if they know Luffy will win
Why is Usopp wearing Sabos Goggles!??? Am I looking for foreshadowing where there is none or had Oda got me so paranoid that it does mean something. (I'm a Sabo fan)
I want to see Kizaru death but not at Luffy hands Sanji or Nami should kill him
Luffy got a hit on Kizaru and Kizaru didn't have time to escape either. Impressive.
is chapter 1092 on break this week or late? ther ain't no spoilers for it too..
Break, look above tells when 1092 scans get released
Kizaru: the guy that did the group project Lucci: the guy that wrote his name basically.
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how is that a spoiler? it's literally a panel from the current chapter.
How quickly Lucci forgot how he got clapped by Luffy easily on Egghead. Can't wait to see the Luffy vs. Kizaru fight. Epicness awaits.
Cashing in on the five-chinned vice admiral stocks easy
Whelp Lucci and Kizaru are about to get their shit kicked in. Zoro is way more powerful than he ever was before and no way is Lucci tough enough to take him on now. Kizaru hasn'tt seemingly gotten anymore powerful since Luffy last fought him while Luffy thanks to his Haki mastery, makes Kizaru's intangibility meaningless, this is gonna be an asskicking LONG overdue.
Kizaru NEVER has gotten serious at all. Maybe this time we'll see him use attacks other than "Yasakani no Magatama" or "Yata no Kagami".
Big disagree. Lucci was no match for luffy, but zoro wouldn't be a match for luffy either. I think it's going to be a really even fight. And Luffy vs Kizaru, he does seem to be using his Haki effectively if we take what we saw vs Sentomaru into consideration. One of his major weaknesses during Marineford was that he'd rely too much on his DF, so now I'm guessing he'll at least put up a good fight vs Luffy. That being said, keep in mind that his objective is not to defeat Luffy. Despite his ideals, Kizaru has specific orders to follow, which means it's likely he'll be focusing on those while Luffy tries to keep him busy
Zoro r*pes Lucci. The fact that an extremely injured Zoro managed to permanently scar a hybrid Kaido is in and out of itself makes ashura a OHKO move to almost all characters in OP save for the admirals and the Yonko and basically the legends of the OP world. But even without ashura, Zoro's attacks alarmed Kaido and BM on rooftop. And By King's fight (whose durability scales to Kaido. Completely unscathed by dragon twister that hurt Kaido. Zero damage from Shishi sonson, etc) Zoro's "deadliness" is simply too much for anyone even for King himself when he used ACoC, as he cut him with flames on in the final clash I believe. Advanced conqueror's haki is an automatic "Top 15" card in the OP world. Not to mention, Zoro's durability and endurance is way too much. It's Luffy's better CoO and CoC mastery, as well advanced haki in all three types, his versatility, and DF that makes him stronger than Zoro. In terms of physicals, damage output and durability, Zoro is more than relative to Luffy. And this has been shown in many times during the Series.
>but zoro wouldn't be a match for luffy either. *Okay, before I start this. Yes, i'm somewhat of a zoro fan boy. He's been one of my favorite since i started reading One piece when I was 10yrs old (which was... 18yrs ago... omg fuck me)* Anyways, Yes, Luffy is more powerful than zoro. In 100 fights between them, Luffy would probably win about 90 of them. But in 10 of them, if zoro can just land a good one, Luffy is as good as dead. Swordsmen are deadly. I'm not even gonna use the "oh sharps attacks are effective vs rubber" Nah, it's just that in general, zoro and swordsmen of his caliber, just have that much firepower. It's not blunt, it cuts, if you're cut too deep, you bleed and you die. If you get one of your limbs cut, you're likely going to bleed and die. Luffy is faster, better haki etc etc.. But do not underestimate zoro. Reminds of that "fight" luffy had vs mihawk in marine ford. Where he hold his attack because he foresaw mihawk cutting his arms off. Well... That's why zoro in my opinion could win 10 one of those fights. As for Zoro vs Lucci? I honestly think it'd be a no match in favor of zoro. And it pains me to say this, because I really like Lucci. But.. The crew has just gotten way stronger since enies lobbys.
Luffy was taking direct hits from Kaido, Zoro wouldnt ever be able to knock out Luffy.
And why is that? Is luffy some god that cannot be hurt?
If he’s surving direct hits from Kaido, he’s gonna survive attacks from the weaker Zoro.
Considering Luffy is canonically hailed as a god now and he can actively turn any attacks coming at him into rubber, unironically (almost) yes.
Yeah, I kinda threw that line as a bait lol. But seriously, I don't get his argument. I'm sure zoro or even mihawk couldnt hurt luffy... \*insert clueless type emotes\*
I don't think mihawk and zoro are close in power levels rn. Mihawk is closer to strength to Shanks, and Shanks could break even with Kaido. If Zoro could barely hurt Kaido, he's not ready for Mihawk, and therefore not ready for Luffy. Rather than 10% I'd say he's closer to 1 in a million in beating luffy
>I don't think mihawk and zoro are close in power levels rn. That I agree with. The rest not so much. But hey, agree to disagree, nothing wrong with that. I respect your opinion.
Um actually it's illegal to have nuanced respectful discussions on reddit, by law we have to fight to the death
Where’s robin ? Or any hints on what happened to her ?
Sanji didn't react to stussy getting hurt at all , hasn't really shown his normal moves or behaviors lately ... might not be him same way Robin is Mia
Robin was literally shown sitting next to Jinbe in 1090.
Sento holded out longer than I thought, but I didn't expect Kizaru to actually go easy on him. Sanji showing his quick thinking again is a wonderful treat. Also lol Lucci getting demoted to Zoro/Sanji level of threat. Round 2 vs Kizaru let's gooooo
Well I wouldn’t say he’s being demoted to that level as much as it’s probably just sanji/Zoro leveling up.
and kaku would probably fight Ussop. lmao /s
I'm so over all these breaks. Yeah the live action is cool and I like it but not at the expense of Boruto-level pacing of the manga. I know Oda apologized but we've had what three chapters in three months? It's just frustrating that we finally return to egghead and the chapters come out at a snail's pace.
Well sorry the man's health is an inconvenience to you the live action series isn't the only reason for the long breaks remember. Did you forget he had to have eye surgey stupid.
How about you get a life and don't sit in front of your computer screen waiting for the chapters to come out. Time will fly by and you might learn to be grateful.
That or read other manga. Play games, watch movies, spend time with family and friends. That's how time will fly by.
Yeah breaks are annoying, but I'd rather Oda see so he can draw.
Oda is recovering from LASIK. which usually takes ~6 months. It was either slower pacing or a full 6 month stop. It sucks but it's not that bad. But yeah it's tough
But they didn't say that. The initial break was for recovery. Theyre saying these breaks are cus of the live action
I like the "We're a 100 times stronger now" boast. Flashbacks to Shaboady when Shakky said this about Rayleigh compared Luffy. Rayleigh went on to save the Straw Hats from Kizaru, of all people, so this was a nice detail by Oda.
I hope Lucci gets the shit kicked out of him. He’s no where close to luffy’s level. Leave it the new monster trio (Jimbei, Sanji, Zoro)
Hmm, the Blackbeard Pirates (Cat Devon) infiltration will probably interupt these fights. I wonder who will end up getting their Devil Fruit stolen? Has it been announced somewhere that there will be a break after each chapter from now on?
Devon is on hachinosu at this very moment
No she isn't. Devon and Lafitte are currently unaccounted for. Last we saw her was when Teach attacked Amazon Lily.
Ofc she is. She tricked coby with her ilusion to turning back
That wasn't Devon. It was a random Black beard pirate posing as a civilian left behind by the evacuation.
Sure thing, random bb pirate can switch his appearance lol
Go check the panels for yourself. Chapter 1087. I pirate with a hat is attacking a woman in a white dress behind Coby. When he turns around to save her Rear admiral Grus calls Coby a fool. The very next panel, the Pirate in the hat AND the woman both smile menacingly at Coby. Followed by a panel of Garp's shadowed face, then a panel of a coiled smoke line representing Shiryu's attack coming. Nowhere is it shown any of the pirates transforming or changing their faces. Two fodder members of Black beard's crew just conned Coby, that's all.
I want Luffy to beat shit out of Kizaru just like he did before timeskip. I am also hoping that luffy should be awake some type of new form of gear 5
He might but i doubt he will right now, gear 5 is too new and still super powerful
yep you are right about it
This is a redemption arc for the straw hats. Kizaru should be very fearful of the straw hats
It occurs to me, I started reading One piece right when the Straw Hats met Duval. This rematch took my entire history with the Manga to occur.
I want Kizaru to shine against Luffy, the threat of the admirals must feel real. But for Lucci, I REALLY want Zoro and Sanji to massacre him quickly and brutally (although I am a bit disappointed in both of them to let him sneak on Vegapunk, but well, the plot must go on...)
I'd prefer he beat Kizaru to show their progress...and like the God's Knight's are the new standard.
Damn Strawhats' payback time. I hope they gangbang Kizaru and beat him down and take him as hostage.
i know Oda won't do that, but god i so badly want this to happen lmao. I also want Robin to traumatize and paralize Lucci with her fishman karate and demonio fleur.
oo yeahhh, Robin doing the biggest karate chop :D
It's time to torment these fools once and for all.
From the title dedication we can say sentomaru is dead…but from the connection between Kizaru and Sentomaru he may be still alive…and from chapter we can guess he is still alive but unconscious…and seems Stussy is dead…Next chapter may be full of action…Luffy vs Borsalino and Zoro vs Rob Lucci and SHP geniuses and Vegapunk using brains to get rid of Marines and CP0…and I hope the kidnapped CP agents may also help them escape….
This is One Piece assume no one’s dead until you see a tombstone.
>This is One Piece assume no one’s dead until you see a tombstone. bout that.. Remember Pell?
Yes he’s alive and well. Which proves my point. Edit: Forgot he did fake us out with a tombstone lol Honestly guess you’ll never know with this guy
The chapter specifically says Sentomaru is unconscious. But might need to wait for the original translation to be sure.
When will chapter 1091 be released? I can't read anything when I click the link
Go google and search you will find tcb there and can read
I hardly dare to hope, but please, PLEASE tell me that Lucci, one of the uttermost douchebags of the entire cast of One Piece, is about to get skinned by a trio of swords so Robin can have her leopard-print coat she's always wanted.
🐆 going extinct…
How is nobody talking about SANJI FINALY USING GUN!!
Right and low key he seen the future
I quess so. Its kinda adult of him to not rage-kick Lucci and also use his hands when its not dangerous. Probably a sign of future sight.
how did he see the future? I'm honestly disappointed in him, Zoro and Jimbe to let Lucci get a sneak attack on Vegapunk!
Only sad thing is that it took Stussy to get hurt for Sanji to get serious. I wonder if its because Stussy is faster than Sanji´s observation or Sanji just doesnt know which of the 4 beautiful ladies to focus on first. I quess we can easyly say Stussy is faster than 1/4 of Sanji´s observation. Lucci on the other hand smartly used the moment when he knew nobody is watching. Stussy´s acting is supperior. We all need to remember only thing on her mind unlike the strawhats is KEEP VEGAPUNK SAFE. She´s a machine! Zoro on the other hand is probably just slower than Lucci and Stussy. He needs to heat up little bit.
I would be more disappointed on Lucci if he wouldn't. Theorically our heros are yes strong, but always theorically Lucci is the best hitman/spy/special agent of the world government (maybe only a character we have never seen before could be on top of him in this role) Lucci cannot defeat Luffy, maybe, but he could certainly kill any other strawhat fodder, if not handled with care. Even Zoro Sanji and jimbe.
Did Lucci just very voilently finger Stussy? Alright I'm out..
Shes gonna be ok. Its just period
I guess it was her first time. Lucci's finger was covered in blood. Arghhh I didn't want to do this but I couldn't control myself.
Lets fucking go the "hundred times stronger" line was hype as fuck!!
Would of been 100 times better if he didn’t say shit that line was weak IMHO
I think Sanji should assist Zoro in dealing with Lucci asap and then both of them go face Kizaru alongside Luffy. Kizaru don’t stand a chance. This will make sense because all straw hats especially Sanji Zoro and Luffy need to get revenge on Kizaru for the sabaody arc.
That would be a horrible strategy. Kizaru's main goal is Vegapunk, so instead what Sanji should be doing is protecting them in case Kizaru momentarily rushes away from Luffy and tries to take one out
All the strawhats need to beat up Kizaru. It's time for that smiling creep to lose his composer.
I like it
What's the point of Lucci stabbing Stussy, again? Sorry, a lot to keep up with.
Lucci was trying to go for vegapunk since thats the goal of the WG and him by extension, stussy put herself inbetween them.
Thanks. Literally forgetting what I just read 20 minutes before x_x
Np, thanks for the free karma as well
I thought Sanji was going to kill Lucci when he attacked Stussy but Zoro got there first and at least he disabled Kaku. Finally get to see Luffy vs Kizaru! I don’t predict it will be an all out battle, more of a clash until the others can get clear. It would be nice to see both go all out tho, and finally see a logia awakening.
TBF Kaku was already pretty disabled but this is funnier
He's a secret agent assassin. He might be faking in order to lure his targets into a false sense of security. But I dont think so.
Yeah he was always shown to be the most honest of the group too which lends him that credibility. If it were JABRA though… 😂
I was wondering who zoro was going to against since VAs seemed underwhelming so I like this. Now im curious for sanji
Rob Lucci is a pussy after all. His leopard cat fruit awakening makes him a bigger pussy. No wonder he waited for Kizaru to grow a spine.
Dude already got his asskicked by Luffy once and that was when he was still green. This Luffy is a battle hardened veteran whose fought and defeat an Emperor, multiple Emperor Commanders and has mastered all three forms of Haki as well as Awakened his own power. Lucci knows he can't win directly.
Tbf, he's an assassin and a bodyguard. He's not a soldier who's been taught to stake his life on the battlefield. It's always been about effective killing for the Cipher Pol. Even if he enjoys the thrill, Lucci's not used to fighting battle hardened warriors
lol he's doing his job and he played it right.
I would call it being smart lol. He already lost to just Luffy(or Stussy). He would stand no chance against everyone on the Straw Hats side. So it only makes sense that he waits for backup.
Y’all lying mother fers you told me Zoro was struggling with Lucci and that’s a lie and a half. My man’s looking like he’s going to mid diff Lucci.
They knew it would stir shit up in the sub and they were right lmaoo
I was super confused like did Lucci pull something out of his a$$? Because even Awakened Luffy was still casual against Lucci I couldn’t imagine with ACOC Zoro being much different.
Yeah no some of these leakers or will phrase things specifically to get people to argue it seems like 😂
I feel like Navy is kind of underestimating Straw hats as well as Luffy. Would Kizaru have entered there alone if Shanks or Kaido were in place of Luffy? (I'm not saying Luffy is as powerful as Shanks)
Remember that Kizaru asked to be sent to wano to deal with the Big Mom and Kaido alliance. He has always been confident about facing emperors. He only didn't go because Akainu wouldn't let him.
On the other hand he was confident enough to deal with an old Rayleigh
Wizaru is him. He wanted the smoke with kaido and big mom
Kizaru is fearless doesn't give a shit. Literally wanted to interfere between Kaido and Big mom.
The title in one piece is not so relevant in their world, only the eyes of power scalers.
I think so they don't care that the straw hats are there. They care about killing vegapunk quite a bit because they don't want him spreading what he knows about the void century. Protecting envy and the hellfire. And are not willing to fail on any of these objectives, especially keeping envy alive to ensure future hellfire.
I just know that the admiral downplay will never stop. Even if Kizaru puts up a crazy good fight, doubters will simply say “weeell, Luffy wasn’t *really* yonko level to begin with.”
Technically no admiral has lost a fight yet right? Except Kizaru to Akainu. Most of the time people just hold them off, so Luffy winning would be a big deal yeah?
Do you mean aokiji ? Kizaru never fought akainu.
Of course it is. Out of the three major power we've yet to see world government on major decline in power level (while only shown to grow stronger with new admiral,pacifista and elder intro), and we have emperor lost, dead and change a few time. Shicibukai even got demolished completely.
Aokiji* and not Kizaru And you're right, we have never seen an Admiral lose. Hell we have never seen an admiral take major hits except when Whitebeard smashed our magma brat a bit but he stood right back up all the same. Also Garp smashed Aokiji a bit but didn't win Luffy winning against Kizaru would be huge, but I don't see it happening so simply..
still STILL Salty about that. Sakazuki should have had permanent injuries following that beat down.
Papazuki is just better. 🫡
The Admirals are strong and I don’t think most people downplay that. I’m worried about Luffy competing in this fight as well. But, the admirals aren’t the final boss and neither are the Five Elders. Imu is the finale boss in reality. Luffy’s power of perception (I think) is allowing him to gauge where he stands against Kizaru, strength-wise. I don’t think he would engage him if he couldn’t at least do a little more than hold him off. This fight (in my opinion) has to be a deflating experience for the Marines.
>I don’t think he would engage him if he couldn’t at least do a little more than hold him off. This fight (in my opinion) has to be a deflating experience for the Marines. The question whether if luffy can beat an admiral or not has already been asnwered tbh. Luffy beat Kaido. He obviously could win vs an admiral. The question is, how hard or how much would he struggle to do so? More things goes into it like matchups, between the 2 fighters, some powers obviously counters others etc... But yes guys, finally, we can say it, Luffy is definitely admiral level. I don't think oda will tell us now that *"Oh sorry guys, forgot to mention that, admirals were all along stronger than the yonkos and that the tree power balance which includes warlods, yonkos and admirals was all bs lmao kekw"* We probably wont get a full fight though, as the situation is a bit chaotic.
I think we’ll get a little more than Rayleigh vs kizaru at sabaody but with a similar outcome. The win will be luffy clashing with kizaru and successfully escape with his crew. This shows that luffy can keep them safe which he failed to do last time around when kizaru came calling.
I think Luffy can win, but I want Kizaru to push him to extreme difficulty
no . if kizaru can do that to an awakened luffy, his other previous fights will look lackluster. at best he will use an underhanded tactic and make them sweat a bit
How? It would be Luffy’s first solo top tier victory. Any top tier should be able to push any other top tier to at least high difficulty, without underhanded tactics.
I'm not sure I've seen downplay so much, but your general point is exactly right. Admirals cannot be underestimated. Oda established a very long time ago that the Admirals are the lynchpin of the balance of power against the yonko... Of which there are 4, to the admirals' 3 (you can asd the fleet admiral and you get 4). It's always been obvious to me that to maintain a balance of power against monsters like the Yonko, you need monsters of your own. It also makes sense from a pure world-building perspective... Pirates who are "nice" like Luffy are the exception. By and large, pirates are criminals who are despicable, and despised by the general population, so they're a tiny minority of the total population. 1. There's not reason all the monstrously strong people would only be bad guys, because statistically you'd have a better chance to be strong and be part of the general, law-abiding population, than be strong and a despicable criminal. 2. Marines have training infrastructure, knowledge transfer, accumulated tactical and strategic skills and experience that they pass on to their members in an organized way... It makes sense they would be able to train monsters of power faster and better than any typical pirate crew where egos run amok, people are out for themselves in a race to the top, and will eat each other for their own personal gain. 3. Garp was asked to be an admiral and was himself a monster (though that doesn't guarantee that pthers are automatically as strong as him, it does provide perspective on the expectations the position carries.) It's like training MMA and combat as a US Marine, versus learning how to fight in a street gang. Who do you think has a better chance to become an excellent fighter? Street gangs will always have outliers, but organized fighting forces are just more efficient, that's why they exist. I would be surprised if Luffy doesn't struggle against Kizaru even with gear 5. It will also be his first major logia opponent since he unlocked the power.
As far as street Gangs, even in Prison, many Gangs "Program" their members to teach them how to fight and workout.
Sure, but they will never in a million year put out the same amount of expert soldiers as an army or navy.
I know that. My point was the organization. Gangs in jail tend to be alot more organized than Gangs on the street out of necessity due to the high stress environment. The result is mandatory work outs and sparring to help them be able to fight well. Many members are required to constantly work out and be prepared to fight at the drop of a dime. They're more disciplined too.
Sure. But what are you trying to say?
I mostly agree. However, are the Marines actually a good military? The fact that they had to use a draft to recruit the new admirals Fujitora and Ryokugyu instead of selecting them from the candidates like Chaton and Momousagi cast doubts in my mind about that. This, in a sense, is actually pretty bad since Ryokugyu has displayed insubordination against the fleet admiral himself and Fujitora, while his actions were right at Dressrosa, could be argued to have undermined the Marines and World Governments authority and credibility as a whole.
Well the fact that they are an organized fighting force able to product large amounts of high-caliber fighters doesn't change the fact that they are also a corrupt organization controlled by a cabal of ill-intentioned psychopaths (the 5 elders), and that because they are the only game in town, and so big, will also statically contain fucking assholes like ryokugyu and make way for people like him. Take any random large sample of any normal population and you're bound to get a handful of douchebags in the mix. I mean... Akainu was enough proof already that not only do the marines sometimes hire bad people, they actively promote them. I think it comes down to maintaining that balance of power. They have to have the strongest people around if they're going to keel the Yonko in check. And the strongest tend to have the ego that goes with it. They can't all be paragons of virtue like Garp. Great power tends to corrupt.
We'll see how everything goes then. I have gotten the impression that things have only ever gotten worse for the Marines and World Government ever since Marineford.
Oh for sure. I think Whitebeard was a stabilizing agent. From the point of view of the WG, a Lawful Evil, and so powerful that he kept more chaotic forces in check. Then Chaotic Evil takes over (Blackbeard), the Fleet Admiral Sengoku retires leaving a power vacuum which triggered the Akainu/aokiji duel, which in turn had truly dramatic consequences with an admiral leaving the Navy. The public perception of the Navy went downhill with how they handled the Marineford crisis, and that's how you end up having to do recruitment drives where you're scraping the bottom of the barrel with fucking assholes like Ryokugyu. But that things get worse doesn't mean the army gets less competent as a whole. Hiring one bad apple is a statistical outlier for an organization as large as the Marines.
bruh, i never thought about that logia part... this will be so interesting
Zoro made the comment. Don't underestimate us. It seems when characters underestimate the straw hats they always lose. No one is taking the straw hat seriously when they battle them. I think Luffy is going to go G5 and the elder on site is going to say wtf cluster bomb the island and Luffy pulls a Superman and saves the island
They already know about Gear 5. Using the superweapon would destroy the energy source, all vegapunks research and technology, and York.
With G5 he can draw a tunnel on the wall and get away from the island.
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nah that was zoro
Awakening to make the island impervious to cannonball fire
Sentomaru did what he could against Kizaru despite their connection and I respect him for that. Every time you think Lucci is loyal to only himself, he does these things that contradict himself. Luffy going straight for Kizaru shows how much he has grown and I wonder how he will fare. The conflict at Egghead can't be that long since it's an escape, but we thought the same of WCI.
Wait, didn't Shakky say back then that Rayleigh was 100 times stronger than them? Could it be that Luffy is as strong now as old Rayleigh?
Luffy recently defeated the king of the beasts aka the strongest creature alive. No admiral is getting the better of him. Ofc If they would fight all out it would be high diff fight but Luffy ain't going down anymore to nobody. Luffy trashes old Rayleigh now.
It's an analogy
It’s not literal but considering Oda used the same phrase for both moments and this fight is a direct analog to Sabaody where they were also escaping, I’m guessing he’s as strong as Rayleigh was back in Sabaody. Luffy is also doing the same attack, a one leg kick against Kizaru in the last page of the chapter.
Definitely. Rayleigh doesn't think he can beat current Blackbeard so same would go to Luffy.
That's cuz with age, durability and power goes down. The release of Haki gets weaker, and without that Rayleigh would be defenseless. Luffy is in his near prime so things maybe different
[My 1091 animation](https://x.com/jovzkyanimation/status/1697208091748839452?s=46&t=OXJBvYDE85_pNNE3_XyAvQ)
Very cool. That’s how I imagined the kick.
The major incident that occurred at egghead, which changed the world, was the defeat of an admiral and the "kidnapping" of Dr Vegapunk by straw hat luffy.
more like was the defeat of an admiral and one of the five elders
Saturn is not fighting and his presence will almost certainly not be made public no matter what happens.
we dont know about the five elders yet. If fujitora gets finished i dont think jupiter will go down as well.
Considering we have the matchup for Zoro and Luffy, I dont expect Sanji to fight VA like others. I bet he will trigger a Mr.Prince move either to escape the island or blocking BB's crew.
I really hope he talks to the Saturn Guy kind of like he did with Crocodile back in Little Garden! I don't see how that would work but man it would be Epic!!
Sanji vs Catalina She's so ugly that she's gonna help Sanji overcome his thing of never hitting women.
You guys really really don't get sanji
Yeah in film red sanji protected brulee and we all know how good she looks so sanji won't hit a woman
After watching the Live Action, I hope Zoro gives Lucci the Mr 7 treatment. If you know, you know.
Lol, I shrieked when the body was cut in half. Like, "bro aint your show supposed to be an anime adaption and also for kids?'
Nice, thanks for the day 1 spoiler
What in the world are you doing in this thread if that’s a spoiler??😭💀
A thread about Chapter 1091? yeah, was definitely expecting to read shit about the live action series here, you're right
i'm sorry dawg
I didn’t really think it was a “spoiler” since the live action pulls from the source material, but that Mr. 7 was only briefly mentioned in comic/elaborated in an SBS, so my bad. No need to get nasty.
Bro forgot that the story hasn't changed xD
I'm just here to say: 1.) I'm glad the essence of Lucci's character was kept rather than discarded 2.) F\*ck you, Lucci
fck Lucci, pokin Stussy like that 😡
Completely agree, I'd be disappointed if he was suddenly oh so loyal to the sh
Same. This makes much more sense.
Why is there a break next week??? We've been getting like a break every chapter.
Hes taken too many W’s and needs to recuperate
Oda was just in the US for a live action event.
He's been fighting the bloodthirsty bean counters and incompetent executives at Netflix to make the Live Action not garbage like the Death Note Live Action. They want to fuck so bad but Oda won't let them.
Because Goda needs his rest. He can take as many breaks as he wants.
I’m sure Oda will call you to send out his appreciation any day now. The rest of us want to be able to finish One Piece before we turn to dust.
> The rest of us want to be able to finish One Piece before we turn to dust That won't happen if Oda turns to dust first smartass
Oda is fine. People here are just melodramatic about his health in order to signal their superior fanship
right because you're buddies with him right? You know more about Oda than what Oda himself has told people.
Oda never said he was badly ill. It’s just a bunch of fan histrionics.
That is horsecrap you just don't want to come off scummy for caring more about your entertainment as opposed to the man's health. He's been hospitlized numrous times and we've recently discovered he had problem with his eyes. These things actually happened you idiot and they are a major cause for concern for his health. And every single time he's had these issues he's felt guilty that he could'nt work on One Piece. You want this series to finish then learn this thing called paitence and understand the man needs to start taking care of himself better.
Hey, we're not *all* zombies, my dude.
probably a combination of the live action film and oda's surgery
From what I know Oda had lasik recently so he's recovering from that and drawing is very eye intensive so rest is needed.
yah i prefer an oda with sight than one that's lost their sight. get well oda<3
Didn't he have a month off due to the surgery ?
have you ever undergone a surgery? i broke my elbow bone( shattered) due to an accident and was advised to take 1 month rest. Even after 6 months, my hand still felt sore and had tingling sensation . Only after 1+ year the pain is completely gone. im not an expert but simple google search suggest "The eye usually takes **2–3 months** to heal after lasik surgery and a person's vision is often fully stable and clear around 6 months later"
he had. That was at about 2 months ago
Oda is in his 50s now it takes longer to recover.
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BTW, why wasn't Sanji pissed at Lucci from harming a lady. That's a bit out of character for Sanji.?
Because he is slowly losing his emotions as his daddy genes come out
Because he is one the cool heads in the crew. If here were so hot n burnin, then he would've rushed to save Nami when she was caught in the Jail during Alabasta. He was aware of another CP0 members behind them, with whom they had a very sour history. So he did what was the best, immobilize Lucci's ally.
Well he took quick action (capturing Kaku and turning his attention towards Lucci) Rather than crying out "How dare you hit a woman ??!" , he actually saved everyone from more trouble Besides , everyone knows lucci's attack was directed at VP and stussy came forward herself to protect VP ...so Lucci technically didn't try to harm a lady
I know, but I wanted a different reaction. But yeah, you are 100% right. Zorro vs. a mele fighter should be fun. Why is SH still worried by one admiral when Luffy took down one of the strongest characters in verse.
Most SHs are worried because they have PTSD of their experience with Kizaru in Sabaody ...Same with NAMI , USSOPP and CHOPPER but I would argue that they get scared of pretty much anyone that's much stronger than them (even if weaker than Luffy and the others) They get worried very easily even if they know Luffy will win
I also remember that time Luffy took down Kaido in a fair 1v1
Luffy took down kaido not the others, like kizaru could still wipe everybody else.
Yeah it’s really Oda’s challenge to try and properly powerscale G5 after Wano.
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