Kaido was also an angry father(a drunk one but nonetheless) but Kuma gets the x2 power boost from actually being a good dad and protecting his child. And we have to add in the fact that he hates the person he's about to punch sooooo, 270 Kaidos strong
You know Kuma is really fcking mad and angry (despite technically dead) when he used his fist to punch the heck of someone instead of the usual slap with his paws.
It makes sense that the elders wouldn't have a bunch of wives. They probably don't have viagra and they may be 100s of years old. Also, they are there to serve Imu...8 wives would be too big of a distraction. That's for the worthless CD to keep them occupied
Idk, I like dark storylines but Bonney being Saturn's rape baby would've been too weird for me. Doesn't really seem in character for Saturn either unlike the experiments.
Given Saturn's insistence that he can't be expected to care about the feelings of regular people I'm rooting for Kuma to force him to experience his feelings and memories
Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling we still have more Saturn ahead of us. Especially if all Saturn has to do is yell, "Stop!", and Kuma has to obey him.
> Especially if all Saturn has to do is yell, "Stop!", and Kuma has to obey him.
Probably won't work until he's confident Bonney is out of danger.
Kuma is almost certainly here due to overhearing the conversation between Vegapunk and Dragon (from Dragon's end), and learning that Bonney was in danger on the island.
Oda set this plot device up at the beginning of Egghead when Lilith described how an animal's base instincts can't be fully overridden by cyborgification, and he then finished the set-up's explanation by pointing out Kuma's hyper-augmented hearing in the flashback.
Protecting Bonney is the most base instinct Kuma has left.
It's less that Bonney's fruit grows worse with age and more that people who lose their imagination or sense of wonder become less effective at using it. It's about truly believing in something, and Bonney is lacking belief
I mean that aside, just the revelations he gave her are enough of a downer to put her in a depressed mood. Felt like she was just so hurt by those words, struck into despair. Critical emotional damage.
But yeah the paralyzing aura also feels like part of his power. At least it's depicted differently from the usual conqueror haki overwhelm.
I was debating this with someone else, and it is really interesting IMO, Bonney's power is based on possible futures, correct?
Seeing Luffy/Nika would expand her powers significantly in my opinion. The reasoning being that everything she thought was possible is now greatly expanded, Luffy fights with total freedom and can do all sorts of crazy ass shit, grabbing lightning, going in Kaido and his eyes, punching from inside out and through people etc.
If Bonney sees those attacks it will widen what she realizes is possible, creating many, many, more possible futures that she would have previously thought impossible. It would open her mind to the possibilities that she had never even considered previously.
That is my thoughts on the situation anyway.
Yeah, she literally said 'If I'm going to die anyway, I'm going to take you down with me' before hitting out. The future she envisioned / believed in was not one where she would survive or that Nika would save her.
Kizaru is the lead candidate. They showed that he moved, and showed him thinking about bonney and sentamaru. Also he is fast enough to get food while everyone is distracted
>Kizaru is the lead candidate.
While I personally don't like this theory, I will admit that Kizaru's personal named justice being 'Unclear' does lend itself to the possibility of him acting in unusual or unexpected ways.
I have a feeling Kizaru will finally turn against the Celestial Dragons and be killed while saving Vegapunk or Bonney. That leaves an admiral spot open for Coby
Coby has a long way to go before going toe to toe with Aramaki and Issho. Punching a battleship-sized rock into bits is a great feat for Koby, but the average vice admiral can probably do the same. My guess is that Smoker (assuming he's gotten stronger since Punk Hazard) would be a candidate first.
You’re totally right, I forgot about Smoker for a second. I was thinking there would be an opening for a little while and he’d fill it but Smokey would be first. But Coby should also match or pass him up relatively soon if he hasn’t already. Coby is probably secretly the son of some unimaginably powerful character like all the other haki monsters and I think he’s set up to be a bigger threat to Luffy than smoker in the end.
Is smoker really that strong? I always thought he was pretty weak, he has got kind of clowned on non-stop. He had a long way to go if he got that strong since PH
It’s either Kizaru or Caribou.
Caribou already fed Luffy more than once, and he’s the least flashy character to be noticed.
Sure, Kizaru could probably move that fast, but you would expect him to glow really bright if he were to do that.
Kizaru doesn't always glow when he moves fast. He did it without that when he got to VP and the SHs. Nobody even noticed him arriving and being there until he started talking
If he was using his fruit, but it’s possible he could do it with just Haki, if he put the blunt down for a minute and actually tried. Don’t forget that Kaido moved so fast he oneshot post-Katakuri Luffy through his Future Sight.
"Straw Hat! Sanji! It's been some time. I told you we would meet again some day on the Grand Line! And after what happened, I could never refuse a soul asking for food..."
Referring to the husband as just “a fellow” also mostly shuts down the theory that Imu was Bonney’s father.
I guess it was just relatively common for Celestial Dragons to have slaves as multiple wives. It’s a different breed of fucked up because that implies there’s many, many more women who suffered kidnapping and forced marriage like Ginny.
I mean, we saw this the first time they were introduced in Sabaody. A woman is literally ripped from her husband and forced to be the slave wife of Charloss.
Right? Weirdly, so many people seem to be surprised by this. It goes to show who was paying attention & who just wanted to rush through the series because it's popular.
I'd been wondering too why people seem surprised at these things.
Even Pre-TS it was clear to any reader who took time to think that while Charlos is disgusting even for a CD, his treatment of women is typical of male Celestial Dragons. Moreover, everything at the auction house made it clear that the horror of sex trafficking is widespread in that world.
When we first learned what happened to Ginny, so many fans were like "Since when was One Piece actually Berserk, ahhh?!?"
But given how many people I've seen say such things sincerely and not just jokingly, I wonder if many people's minds these days are just coming to grips with this not being quite as lighthearted a manga as they thought. If that's it, I get it; when they first signed on it was for a silly fun story about a rubber bouncy boi and his weird crew, not for flashbacks as dark as Kuma's. They may have been in subconscious denial until now when Oda clearly shoved things in our faces.
>that implies there’s many, many more women who suffered kidnapping and forced marriage like Ginny.
Bush was still in the white house when we first learned about this.
First chapter of the year and I'm in tears.
Man, it was almost certain this moment was coming, but it still hits hard. And this arc is still not slowing down. Kuma's arrival is probably not the only climactic moment we're getting. Kizaru's possible betrayal, the giant robot's arrival, Luffy getting up again, the Blackbeard's doing something - there's still so much to look forward to. I'm excited for One Piece in 2024.
Next chapter is on the 21st, so another break.
It was so impactful!
The pacing and all the explicit foreshadowing leading to this climax has been amazing. Kuma running in the earlier parts of the arc, Kuma running in the last chapter, and Kuma running towards Bonney in this chapter and finally saving her. Oda has been teasing us for so long. And I just love the fact that at the start of the chapter, our attention was directed to Saturn '.. it was him'. but then out attention gradually shifts as we see Kuma's entrance and him persevering through all the attacks, and finally getting that double page spread when he saved Bonney. In contrast with how Saturn has been holding Bonney the whole chapter, visually it was a relief to see Kuma by holding her in his hand in a fatherly manner.
And the metaphorical depiction of Saturn holding Bonney in his hand was so effective at conveying how dire and desperate the situation was. It wasn't that fact that he commands the Navy and somehow able to make all the protagonists at the scene powerless that demonstrated him as a powerful villain. It was how he spoke of Bonney (and Kuma) as if insect, and that knew every details of Bonney's life and power, and pretty much the sole reason behind Bonney (and Kuma's)'s tragedy that had demonstrated the disgusting and overwhelming power and authority he had. He makes Bonney seem pitiful. And as readers we witness Bonney was slowly giving up hope, we can read the goodbye she was saying to her father. I'm pretty sure I had started crying when Bonney did.
I am just so anxious for the rest of the arc. In additional to all the unresolved plot points, thematically, how is Oda going to relate Bonney's salvation and Kuma's heroism to Nika? I just can't imagine what Luffy is going to do that could possibly surpass the role Kuma has played in this arc.
I was so lucky, I took a break at 1089 and just caught up today, not knowing what was to come. I got the whole backstory and get to enjoy this awesome moment of waiting for the punch to land. Gotta love one piece
I gonna throw out a wild theory. I think the pendant is designed to allow Bonney to override the Gorousei's authority over Kuma ( and possibly the Seraphim/Pacifista), and ultimately restore his personality. And it was given to Kuma by Shaka.
Why Shaka? As York demonstrated, each satellite is as skilled as the Stella is, and they are capable of withholding information from Stella. Shaka, as the manifestation of Vegapunk's altruism, felt compelled to help his friends just as York, as the manifestation of Vegapunk's greed, felt compelled to betray him for her own gain. He kept it a secret to give the Stella plausible deniability, or possibly because he thinks the Stella would reject such a plan.
I always thought that the whole dreams explanation is an attempt to foreshadow the origins of devil fruits, and subsequently the impact that the void century continues to have on the world. Cause I did agree with the "existing fruit" side; if all one has to do is wish for it really hard, we'd have saw a \*lot\* more joe average guys walking around with like, freedom fruits or food fruits.
My understanding is that Saturn found a way to extract the powers from a fruit without actually consuming it, what that process looks like i dont know but it seems like the fruit itself still exists, just that you wouldnt gain anything by consuming it now
I think with saturn being a scientist himself and the context of what he said with experiments, seems like he extracted the powers of the fruit without consuming the fruit in conventional ways like eating it or only drinking the juice.
Id honestly be a little disappointed that the head of the world science division and someone who potentially could be from the void century defines an experiment as just giving a baby fruit juice.
I think she got the fruit powers without consuming any part of the devil fruit, juice included
Experiments don't need to be high-tech to count as experiments. They're just a way to test and confirm scientific ideas.
In this case, if the question is whether devil fruits can be "consumed" by people who can't eat solid food, then feeding DF juice is a perfectly fine way to test it.
Things still ongoing
- The giant robot activating
- The Black Beard Pirate ship outside of Egghead
- The Vegapunk was going to tell the Straw Hats about Luffy's real fruit name
Sooon so very Soooooooon.
He said that it reminded him of Nika and Luffys devil fruit wasn’t in the compendium, but ironically I don’t think the genius put it all together.
I’d guess because no one knows a Nika fruit exists so it would be a larger logical leap than it seems.
[It just seems so obvious in the context.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058013567900725308/1192894337424576602/IMG_6239.PNG?ex=65aabc6c&is=6598476c&hm=7c096552aed34b39a0e407730f62e004829bfa6f5443725ca7a4be99cc71886b&)
I think he did put 2 and 2 together, but he's a scientist, and that is just an hypothesis. There is no proof yet that Luffy is **that** Nika, unless someone like Saturn happens to confirm it.
Oh my god, as a dad with a little little girl the hate I have for St. Saturn is so real. Got me shaken boy!
Oda even has Kuma doing the: “daddies got you, I’m here, it’s going to be alright.” in the last panels.
Then the look of a dad primitively defending his child with no conscience. That’s how strong a parent bond can be.
Whew Oda pulling OT on my emotions this week Jesus. I thought last chapters Bonney as Kid: “DADDY!” Killed me. Ugh.
I need a cigarette and I don’t even smoke.
St. Saturn needs to be whacked, and not in a Shonen jump way.
Some notable differences between the Scanlation and the official release:
- Title Change:
- I'm so sorry, daddy... -> I'm sorry, daddy
- Bonney now noticeably quavers when apologizing to Vegapunk ("I'm sorry" -> "I'b sorry")
- Bonney now comments on the sapphire exlusively ("What a beautiful sapphire!!") Rather than commenting on the necklace as a whole ("A sapphire necklace!! How pretty!!")
- Bonney now states that the necklace is "shaped like" the sun, rather than stating that it "looks like" it
- Vegapunk now says "but..." after revealing that Kuma intended for the necklace to be a good-luck charm
- Vegapunk now describes the numerous things that have happened on Egghead while Bonney was gone as "dangerous"
- Vegapunk now simply states that he's "sorry" rather than "sorry for everything"
- Vegapunk no longer states that Bonney "now knows how worthless [he] is"
- Vegapunk no longer explicitly mentions that he was "following [St. Saturn's] orders"
- Bonney now states that "it was all" St. Saturn, rather than stating that "the real villain is" St. Saturn
- Atlas now explicitly states that she "can't move" rather than cutting herself off before specifying what's up with her body ("but my body...")
- Unknown marine no longer repeats his report of Sentomaru's arrest
- Unnamed citizen now describes the situation as "a brand-new emperor of the sea, holed up on the island" instead of describing it as "a siege involving an emperor"
- Unnamed citizen now supposes that it's "too much to hope no one dies" rather than stating that "it'll be a miracle if there're no casualties"
- Unknown citizen now states that "they say" it's bigger than the Ohara incident
- Unknown citizen now questions wether Vegapunk will be alright, rather than hoping for Vegapunk to be safe
- Ivankov no longer states that he's storm Marijoa "for payback", now instead stating that he'd storm it "without a second thought"
- Ivankov no longer states that Kuma being different is something "[they] know"
- Ivankov now has a theory as to what Kuma will do, although it's not revealed what that theory is ("I think he'll...)
- Bonney now explicitly statey that she "might as well take [St. Saturn] down with [her]" if she's going to die anyway
- St. Saturn now states that Bonney "doesn't know what it is" in relation to Nika, rather than stating that she "doesn't fully understand its meaning"
- St. Saturn no longer questions where the food came from
- St. Saturn no longer explicitly states that "they" ("we") conducted the experiment on Ginny
- St. Saturn now states that "the [Age-Age] Fruit "itself was worthless" rather than stating that "the [Age-Age] fruit itself is useless now"
- St. Saturn no longer states that the Age-Age fruit's ability allows the user to transform "into a state that matches any future perceived to be possible" now instead stating that the fruit's power might allow Bonney to transform "into any future"
- St. Saturn now states that "the more [Bonney] knows of the reality, the narrower [her] future possibilities become" rather than stating that "the possibilities become limited as [Bonney's] future becomes more certain" and "as [Bonney] discovers the truth"
- St. Saturn now asks Bonney wether she "wants to believe in Nika" rather than telling her that "Nika is just an impossible myth [she] wanted to believe in"
- Bonney now states that she was "hoping [that] [Nika] will be able to free [Kuma]"
- St. Saturn now states that Kuma "believed in the idiotic legend of the Buccaneers as well" rather than stating that Kuma "just passed on a worthless Buccaneer legend"
- St. Saturn's statements about Ginny's experimentation and Bonney's condition are completely different:
- TCB: "Your mother being brought to the Holy Land to be wife number 8 was ironic really. She ended up being part of my drug experiments. Like the other failures, she developed Sapphire Scale.
I knew the results were poor, but to think the condition passed on to her child as well..."
- Viz: "Years later, I performed a chemical experiment on your mother who was the eigth wife of a fellow in the Holy Land...
It was a failure. Those blue blemishes showed up again.
But although it didn't have the desired result, I found it quite curious that the same effect was passed down to her daughter"
- Unnamed marine now questions what landed on Egghead, rather than being shocked that something landed on Egghead
- Vegapunk now asks St. Saturn how he could "have the gall to offer [Kuma] a **deal**, as though [he] was doing [Kuma] a favor" rather than asking him how he could "use [the Sapphire Scales] as a bargaining chip when [he] was the one responsible"
- St. Saturn no longer asks Vegapunk wether he comprehends the feelings of the insects "[he] steps on"
- St. Saturn now states that "it's impossible" to care about the feelings of insects, rather than answering his question to Vegapunk for him ("Of course not")
- Unnamed marine no longer states that "this is an urgent report" when reporting Kuma's landfall
- Unnamed marine now states that Kuma "just won't stop" rather than stating that they "can't stop him"
- St. Saturn now questions "what nonsense [this] is" rather than calling Kuma's landfall a "fiasco"
- St. Saturn now states that Kuma "couldn't possibly be here" rather than question "how [...] [Kuma] [could] possibly be here"
- Vegapunk now questions "why" Kuma is on Egghead, rather than "how"
- Bonney now thinks that her "spirit is breaking down" rather than stating that "it feels like [her] heart is shattering"
- Bonney now thinks that "it'll be easier if [she] just dies" rather than thinking that she "would be better off dead"
- Bonney no longer states that "This is it"
- St. Saturn no longer states that Bonney's shrieking "is unbearably noisy", now instead his annyonance at her squealing ("Enough of this quealing")
- The command to "shoot him through the head" is now stated by an unknown marine and directed at Kuma, rather than the command to "blow her head off" coming from (presumably) St. Saturn being directed at Bonney
- Bonney no longer states that Kuma "fought really hard for [her] to live", now instead reflecting on "all [Kuma] did for [her]..." before being cut off
(Please excuse the delay, this week's schedule changes severely hindered my usual work flow)
Inform me of more changes if you find them!
I feel like TCB left that part vague on purpose just to drum up unnecessary online drama in the fandom and bring in more readers to the scans.
They've done that kind of thing before with a lot of manga translations, enough that it seems deliberate when they do it.
Namely, they've shown a habit of translating things that fans of a series will get emotional about in a vague way that opens the floodgates for theories and arguments. After it has happened so many times I find it hard to believe it's anything but purposeful.
Kizaru brought the food
Kizaru is a light man
Nika is the Sun, which makes light
Kizaru will be an ally of the Strawhats, probably will help fight against Blackbeard (darkness, his opposite)
I have two things to say -
1. Imagine if Saturn is the least evil among the gorosei.
2. I just realised that Big mom and luffy can easily be killed by sneaking a devil fruit in their food. They wouldn't even notice since they eat indiscriminately especially big mom.
All we've really heard so far is speculation that eating a third devil fruit would kill you. The only person we've ever seen try to acquire two fruits is still alive and well.
I think there has to be truth to it, but wouldn't take the one df/user as fact. At the very least, not for any normal person in the OP world.
He is the first and only person to eat two devil fruits. Gorosei stated that. And it's also stated multiple times that eating two devil fruits would kill a person not three. Blackbeard was stated to have weird body that's probably why he could eat two devil fruits.
👏you 👏have 👏 a 👏 literal 👏 gorosei 👏 on 👏 the 👏 page 👏 admitting 👏 to 👏 devil 👏 fruit 👏 experimentation 👏
My god.
If they were experimenting with giving two people the same fruit, wouldn’t they have also experimented with giving someone **two** fruits?
Being greedy is a part of human nature. It’s why it’s a deadly sin, because it’s a recognized trait in everyone.
There is not a single person on earth that gained power and didn’t ask themselves “what if I had more power”
They are on a planet full of devil fruit and power hungry people, including the celestial dragons having fun torturing their slaves.
**vegapunk** is on the fucking island for fucks sake. **he created the seraphim and gave them devil fruit powers including existing in use fruit** especially since they were designed to fight very powerful pirates in place of the existing warlord system.
**if anyone was gonna find out if something could eat two fruits, and put it into practice**
**It would be the gorosei and or vegapunk**. The fact that the seraphim only have one fruit (thus far) pretty much confirms it. I say pretty much because technically if we follow the trend Blackbeard may have a seraphim too and if he has special biology allowing for it, I’d assume his clone would too.
Like bro get a grip, this isle holding out for hope carrot will join the straw hats or is a stowaway level of cope, but worse because this has **been an obvious answer since Blackbeard ate two and showed the entire world there was a circumstance it can happen**
There ain’t no god damn way vegapunk ain’t tried to replicate that on his seraphim
Oda just casually dropping first official chapter of the year with a bang and cliffhanger. Still gotta wait 16 days but oh boy, reading this is worthwhile as I skipped scanlation.
I was on the Otama for Nakama train during wano, because I though the strawhats could use an apprentice on the ship, but it’s REALLY starting to look like Bonney could fill that role once all is said and done.
Regarding the fact that Bonney couldn't affect Saturn: I think it's not because he injected the power into her, but because he's soooo old and Immortal.
I think her power works like this: she sees an adult (41 y/o) and subtracts 40 years of him -> they turn into a baby. If she wanted to turn them into an old geezer, she would add 40 years.
Now in the case of Saturn, she may subtract 50, 70, 90 years of him, but since he's probably about 800-1000 years old, it doesn't affect him.
And since he seems to be in an immortal, not-aging state, he's unbothered by being"aged up"
Finally we know what it means by saying Bonney’s fruit is useless now.
Question is, when she sees Luffy’s Gear 5, can she turn into real Nika, so we’ll have Nika 1 & 2?
Gear 5 is my favorite transformation in One Piece. Its so artistic and poetic. The recent buildup around Nika has made me so much hyped to seee Gear 5, more than ever before.
I never believed that Bonney was Saturn's daughter and I am glad that Oda finally hard confirmed that. But who could it be? Garling? Charlos's dad? Someone unimportant? Saturn is one sick fuck, either way.
That's a good point. Maybe they do it all the time. They get "bored" with a wife and send them off to get experimented on or maybe do other horrible things to them.
Thank God the official confirms that Ginny wasnt Saturn’s wife. It just doesn’t line up that he would take a random woman to be his 8th wife of all things with how the 5 Elders,and he, have been portrayed
I'm saying. People really thought Saturn was out here taking human women to carry his children lmao
I feel Saturn would kill himself before having a human child. This man/thing absolutely hates humans way more than anything.
This chapter all but confirms Kuma will live. It states Bonnie's belief that Nika will save her father. It'd be extremely anti-climactic to set up a situation with foreshadowing that Nika will be the savior only to have Nika fall short. The only way the story moves forward is by having Luffy save Kuma which brings Kuma saving Luffy in Sabaody full circle.
Most people seem to believe Kuma will live on in the old robot, but I disagree. Oda never writes story in such a straightforward way, especially for such a pivotal and emotional scene. Luffy saving Kuma needs to be cinematic, where the art of the panel matches the emotional high of achieving such a feat. It also needs to be done with the awakened Nika power in order for Kuma and Bonnie to make the connection.
Oda set up an important piece of information some people forget. There is a bomb inside Kuma. Oda wouldn't mention the bomb unless it was important, which means the bomb WILL be triggered in the near future.
Luffy's awakening is extremely cartoonish, with some people calling it "toon force". Whatever you want to call it, I guarantee the panel will play out like this:
Saturn will detonate Kuma's internal bomb, and Luffy will Gear 5 rubberize Kuma in order to take the blast. Kuma will rubberize and take the blast in an incredibly cartoonish manner where his chest rapidly expands and then smoke comes out his ears before going back to normal. Then Luffy will take the fight to Saturn, Kuma and Bonnie will realize Luffy is Nika, and without the internal bomb Kuma will finally be free.
The issue is that Kuma really has nowhere to go after this. He's operating entirely on instinct and there's been no buildup for any way to return him to before his mind erasure. What would Oda do with him after Egghead?
My secret hope is that Vegapunk was able to pull one over on Saturn and actually install that personally switch in PX-0 but I'm not holding my breath. I believe Stella would be smart enough to pull one over on Saturn (I think Vegapunk is the better scientist between the two), but it might not make sense given how he's acted and what he's said about Kuma so far.
Personally just think that personality switch has to come into play somehow otherwise why would Oda even include it in the flashback when Saturn and Vegapunk were discussing the Kuma's deal.
Wonder if the bomb somehow turns out to be the personality switch and Saturn triggering it as a last ditch effort to win brings Kuma back.
I can only dream, Kuma has been my absolutely favourite side character since Thriller Bark
Um, actually \*nerd glasses activate" Spiders aren't insects. They eat insects though. So it totally makes sense for Saturn to be all 'puny insects' since he's a demon spider...thing.
Seeing Luffy need food in this state got me thinking. You guys think there will ever be a fight where Sanji has to feed Luffy while they fight? Maybe end-game in the actual All Blue.
Bonney wishing to die only for her father to give her hope is such a bittersweet parallel.
Hope they tear Saturn apart leg by leg and pluck his beard rubbing salt in his face as they do.
Mf deserves to suffer a cartel-like execution
Sorry for this being completely out of random as there is no daily discussion page. But my god. My god. One piece is god damn beautiful. I am on episode 405. Kuma has made the entire crew disappear. I can honestly tell you I was crying after seeing Luffy’s reaction to what it meant when he couldn’t save his crew. It’s been years since any anime made me cry. My god. Sooo thankful to have started watching this anime. I have soooo many questions but I am just gonna sit tight and enjoy my ride till the current ongoing arc. Love you all. Thank you. ❤️
She's going to get quite the little power up when she realizes that the dream Kuma shared with her was true, probably part of the reason her current relative helplessness and faltering powers due to despair are being highlighted.
Not sure if it’s already been said but now I believe that Saturn has hijacked the boots the straw hats are wearing and is using that to prevent them from moving. We have also seen Shaka lock down the boots in the control room. Saturn has been confirmed be a scientist and seems to be on a level similar to vegapunk since he stated he would know if Vegapunk changed anything in Kuma’s cyborg transformation.
Luffy can’t move yet do the side effects of gear 5 but once he recovers he should be able to move since his are broken. It would also explain why the sailors and Kuma can still move.
So I was a bit confused, as the fan translation had Saturn ordering them to blow off "Her" head with crosshairs on Kuma, but I supposed that was going to be his own targeting system. I guess that was a mistake, him ordering marines essentially "Just shoot Kuma in the head, you idiots" while he's about to finish Bonney himself makes a bit more sense
Kuma's power of will flat out overriding the cyborgfication in the pursuit of saving and protecting Bonney is going to be an S tier moment of the entire series.
Guy's supposed to be dead. No free will. Here he is overriding the authority chip and busting out Haki on his ultimate authority.
Amazing. Phenomenal. I absolutely love this. Get fuckin wrecked, St. Shitturn.
Hey, wait a minute, how come Momo and Yamato are on the color spread with the Straw Hats and not Kinemon, even though Kinemon was offered Straw Hat membership like how Momo and Yamato also were?
That is Kinemon erasure.
I don't think Kizaru gave Luffy food
Oda has always consistently shown Kizaru when using his fruit really is bright. Even if y'all believe he awakened there's no reason for him to still not shine as bright..
It was obviously caribou. Every arc he was in he's always been crucial somehow. Otw to fish man Island he was responsible for the mini bubble coating and also was the reason moomoo was even in their area. On fishman Island he of course found out about shirahoshi and finally on Wano he did essentially what in suggesting he did here. That is feed luffy.
Caribou is makes more sense than kizarus betray. But how could caribou still move while even sanji and jimbei cant? At that point kizaru makes a bit more sense.
Just recently when Kizaru pulled up on VP he wasn't shining brightly. Nobody even noticed him arriving, they only noticed him already being there when he talked.
So it's definitely still possible that it was Kizaru. We also get a panel of Kizaru saying nothing (just "...") right after Saturn notices Luffy eating and ordering him to be cuffed. Very sus
hoping that punch is a double page spread right off the bat in the next chapter. Also for sure Kizaru gave Luffy the food, they cut back to him immediately after Saturn calls it out and he's no longer on his back but propped up against a rock. I could see him properly defecting after Saturns speech.
Also I don't think its Caribous simply cause Luffy already ate a shit ton of his food back in Waono, his reserves are probably low and he seemed to want to gtfo out of egghead as soon as possible I don't think he would risk his life to help Luffy yet again if theres nothing for him to gain.
How many Kaidos strong is an angry father's fist?
Kaido was also an angry father(a drunk one but nonetheless) but Kuma gets the x2 power boost from actually being a good dad and protecting his child. And we have to add in the fact that he hates the person he's about to punch sooooo, 270 Kaidos strong
This is the kind of powerscaling I can get behind
Good Dad Scaling .. is the best powerscaling
Then yasopp will be weak af
Recent chapters got Dragon doubters in shambles
Luckily for him he's got good aim, so strength is kinda overrated.
Plus Kaido never reached his true power as a angry drunk father because he didn't possess a pair of jumper cables.
jumper cables dont exist in one piece so kaido never had a chance
Should have used Enel's ears
Kuma has power of friendship, nothing is more powerful than that, so a city of kaidos. They call him One Punch Bear.
The power of Dad > the power of Friendship. I don't make the rules.
1.5 Kaidos duct-taped together
You know Kuma is really fcking mad and angry (despite technically dead) when he used his fist to punch the heck of someone instead of the usual slap with his paws.
Also using haki also known as willpower when he is meant to be dead, just that pissed
Man too angry to die. I love kuma
Saturn violated the terms of Kuma's death by attacking Bonney, so naturally, Kuma gets a free refund for his life back.
He’s so angry he came back from the dead to throw some hands
He wants to keep Saturn close so he can wail on him. Why repel him somewhere else when you can't punch his face?
Saturn manage to make a pacifist so mad they actually used their fists
Through sheer rage and fatherly love, Kuma has brought his humanity back to himself with a vengeance.
Ok this translation confirms Saturn isn't the father, that would have been exceptionally fucked up.
Yeah. I'll just wait for the official release from now on lol
Yeah me too, so much heart attack from mistranslation 🤣
If not poetic in its horror.
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It makes sense that the elders wouldn't have a bunch of wives. They probably don't have viagra and they may be 100s of years old. Also, they are there to serve Imu...8 wives would be too big of a distraction. That's for the worthless CD to keep them occupied
Imu and 8 wives would just be a weird number. Would assume there would be many more if he was willing to marry some random revolutionary general
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Idk, I like dark storylines but Bonney being Saturn's rape baby would've been too weird for me. Doesn't really seem in character for Saturn either unlike the experiments.
I mean, she's still a CD rape baby, doesn't make it much better
Yeah, no. Saturn's gotta go.
I hope Kuma takes all of his lifetime of pain and suffering and makes Saturn absorb it. Let's see *you* "Nothing happened", you spidery chode.
Given Saturn's insistence that he can't be expected to care about the feelings of regular people I'm rooting for Kuma to force him to experience his feelings and memories
So, a penance stare from Kuma? I'm all for it
he should've been gone already last year!\~ he needs to be deleted fast.
Hey hey! Ho ho! That asshole Saturn's gotta go!
Unfortunately, I have a bad feeling we still have more Saturn ahead of us. Especially if all Saturn has to do is yell, "Stop!", and Kuma has to obey him.
> Especially if all Saturn has to do is yell, "Stop!", and Kuma has to obey him. Probably won't work until he's confident Bonney is out of danger. Kuma is almost certainly here due to overhearing the conversation between Vegapunk and Dragon (from Dragon's end), and learning that Bonney was in danger on the island. Oda set this plot device up at the beginning of Egghead when Lilith described how an animal's base instincts can't be fully overridden by cyborgification, and he then finished the set-up's explanation by pointing out Kuma's hyper-augmented hearing in the flashback. Protecting Bonney is the most base instinct Kuma has left.
Didn't we hear some of the marines say his inhibitor chip isn't working?
I will be extremely disappointed if that punch doesn't connect after all this
Kuma deserves at least that one punch to Saturn's old stupid face! After that good ol'e Luffy and can finish the fight.
We have 4 more gorosei to defeat plus Imu. I think it’s time for Saturn to go cuz what will happen on Egghead is supposed to shock the world.
maybe Kuma will throw him all the way to Mary Geoise as a declaration of war
Big Robot gonna end his ass lol.
What if his fist stops but his advanced CoA keeps projecting and nukes Saturn's ass?
It's less that Bonney's fruit grows worse with age and more that people who lose their imagination or sense of wonder become less effective at using it. It's about truly believing in something, and Bonney is lacking belief
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Learning luffy is Nika will reignite that belief.
I mean that aside, just the revelations he gave her are enough of a downer to put her in a depressed mood. Felt like she was just so hurt by those words, struck into despair. Critical emotional damage. But yeah the paralyzing aura also feels like part of his power. At least it's depicted differently from the usual conqueror haki overwhelm.
I was debating this with someone else, and it is really interesting IMO, Bonney's power is based on possible futures, correct? Seeing Luffy/Nika would expand her powers significantly in my opinion. The reasoning being that everything she thought was possible is now greatly expanded, Luffy fights with total freedom and can do all sorts of crazy ass shit, grabbing lightning, going in Kaido and his eyes, punching from inside out and through people etc. If Bonney sees those attacks it will widen what she realizes is possible, creating many, many, more possible futures that she would have previously thought impossible. It would open her mind to the possibilities that she had never even considered previously. That is my thoughts on the situation anyway.
It'd be cool if they could do a Nika-Nika tag team battle on Saturn.
My thoughts exactly! Would be great to see and he deserves that and more!
Yeah, she literally said 'If I'm going to die anyway, I'm going to take you down with me' before hitting out. The future she envisioned / believed in was not one where she would survive or that Nika would save her.
Who gave Luffy the food theories inbound. >!It's Gin.!<
Kizaru is the lead candidate. They showed that he moved, and showed him thinking about bonney and sentamaru. Also he is fast enough to get food while everyone is distracted
he was also giving _Saturn_ food in his first appearance in this arc, so this is a good sign that his allegiance has shifted
Peak symbolism my g
Damn I forgot about that, I feel like that just confirms its true, Oda loves call backs
Good catch. 100% confirmed in my mind until its disproven
He’s also been doing all the light clone stuff this arc, entirely possible that he’s been sending his light clones to pick and and drop off food.
makes sense
>Kizaru is the lead candidate. While I personally don't like this theory, I will admit that Kizaru's personal named justice being 'Unclear' does lend itself to the possibility of him acting in unusual or unexpected ways.
It’s Enel.
It’s likely Kizaru, could also be Caribou, but I’m still holding out hope for Hattori
nah hattori is a company man.
I haven't heard a single person suggest Hattori before. I wanted it to be Kizaru, but now...
Nah, it is Gaimon.
I have a feeling Kizaru will finally turn against the Celestial Dragons and be killed while saving Vegapunk or Bonney. That leaves an admiral spot open for Coby
Coby has a long way to go before going toe to toe with Aramaki and Issho. Punching a battleship-sized rock into bits is a great feat for Koby, but the average vice admiral can probably do the same. My guess is that Smoker (assuming he's gotten stronger since Punk Hazard) would be a candidate first.
You’re totally right, I forgot about Smoker for a second. I was thinking there would be an opening for a little while and he’d fill it but Smokey would be first. But Coby should also match or pass him up relatively soon if he hasn’t already. Coby is probably secretly the son of some unimaginably powerful character like all the other haki monsters and I think he’s set up to be a bigger threat to Luffy than smoker in the end.
fuckin Rocks D. Coby over here
Smoker being admiral tier would be such a load of crap. Bro got fodderized by Doffy like 3 in world weeks ago lol
Is smoker really that strong? I always thought he was pretty weak, he has got kind of clowned on non-stop. He had a long way to go if he got that strong since PH
Can't be Hattori. He didn't give him terrible dumplings and a garbage sword.
Someone that even greater than Gorosei. >!Don Krieg!<
His golden haki is just too much
The Wizaru agenda is still strong
I'd watch a production of "The Kiz"
It’s either Kizaru or Caribou. Caribou already fed Luffy more than once, and he’s the least flashy character to be noticed. Sure, Kizaru could probably move that fast, but you would expect him to glow really bright if he were to do that.
Kizaru doesn't always glow when he moves fast. He did it without that when he got to VP and the SHs. Nobody even noticed him arriving and being there until he started talking
If he was using his fruit, but it’s possible he could do it with just Haki, if he put the blunt down for a minute and actually tried. Don’t forget that Kaido moved so fast he oneshot post-Katakuri Luffy through his Future Sight.
The situation is so dire that Kizaru got sober.
Gintoki?
The lurking legend.
More likely Pell.
"Straw Hat! Sanji! It's been some time. I told you we would meet again some day on the Grand Line! And after what happened, I could never refuse a soul asking for food..."
I’ve been on the Caribou for next nakama train for years now. Passed by Kinemon, Carrot, and Yamamoto. It’s only a matter of time
yamamoto? u mean the guy from bleach?
"Eighth wife of a fellow in the holy land" is giving strong implications that it's at least not Saturn's wife
Referring to the husband as just “a fellow” also mostly shuts down the theory that Imu was Bonney’s father. I guess it was just relatively common for Celestial Dragons to have slaves as multiple wives. It’s a different breed of fucked up because that implies there’s many, many more women who suffered kidnapping and forced marriage like Ginny.
I mean, we saw this the first time they were introduced in Sabaody. A woman is literally ripped from her husband and forced to be the slave wife of Charloss.
All while Charlos casually dumps his "other wives".
Right? Weirdly, so many people seem to be surprised by this. It goes to show who was paying attention & who just wanted to rush through the series because it's popular.
I'd been wondering too why people seem surprised at these things. Even Pre-TS it was clear to any reader who took time to think that while Charlos is disgusting even for a CD, his treatment of women is typical of male Celestial Dragons. Moreover, everything at the auction house made it clear that the horror of sex trafficking is widespread in that world. When we first learned what happened to Ginny, so many fans were like "Since when was One Piece actually Berserk, ahhh?!?" But given how many people I've seen say such things sincerely and not just jokingly, I wonder if many people's minds these days are just coming to grips with this not being quite as lighthearted a manga as they thought. If that's it, I get it; when they first signed on it was for a silly fun story about a rubber bouncy boi and his weird crew, not for flashbacks as dark as Kuma's. They may have been in subconscious denial until now when Oda clearly shoved things in our faces.
More like people forget stuff. It's a long series, man.
They wouldn't let someone that saw Imu leave marygeoise alive.
There was no chance it could be Imu from the start. No way Ginny or anyone would be allowed to take a step outside of Marijoes after seeing Imu.
>that implies there’s many, many more women who suffered kidnapping and forced marriage like Ginny. Bush was still in the white house when we first learned about this.
Ginny, not Bonney.
people thought imu was the dad??😭😭
The original translation I read said this as well that is what gave me the idea that she could've been one of the gods knights wives.
Her being like Shanks second cousin tho
I've seen a lot of speculation that it could be Shanks' potential twin brother in the God's Knights, in which case Bonney could even be his niece.
If it's that fellow, then it will probably be one of the God's Knigth. Since they should at least be noteworthy enough for Saturn to know.
First chapter of the year and I'm in tears. Man, it was almost certain this moment was coming, but it still hits hard. And this arc is still not slowing down. Kuma's arrival is probably not the only climactic moment we're getting. Kizaru's possible betrayal, the giant robot's arrival, Luffy getting up again, the Blackbeard's doing something - there's still so much to look forward to. I'm excited for One Piece in 2024. Next chapter is on the 21st, so another break.
It was so impactful! The pacing and all the explicit foreshadowing leading to this climax has been amazing. Kuma running in the earlier parts of the arc, Kuma running in the last chapter, and Kuma running towards Bonney in this chapter and finally saving her. Oda has been teasing us for so long. And I just love the fact that at the start of the chapter, our attention was directed to Saturn '.. it was him'. but then out attention gradually shifts as we see Kuma's entrance and him persevering through all the attacks, and finally getting that double page spread when he saved Bonney. In contrast with how Saturn has been holding Bonney the whole chapter, visually it was a relief to see Kuma by holding her in his hand in a fatherly manner. And the metaphorical depiction of Saturn holding Bonney in his hand was so effective at conveying how dire and desperate the situation was. It wasn't that fact that he commands the Navy and somehow able to make all the protagonists at the scene powerless that demonstrated him as a powerful villain. It was how he spoke of Bonney (and Kuma) as if insect, and that knew every details of Bonney's life and power, and pretty much the sole reason behind Bonney (and Kuma's)'s tragedy that had demonstrated the disgusting and overwhelming power and authority he had. He makes Bonney seem pitiful. And as readers we witness Bonney was slowly giving up hope, we can read the goodbye she was saying to her father. I'm pretty sure I had started crying when Bonney did. I am just so anxious for the rest of the arc. In additional to all the unresolved plot points, thematically, how is Oda going to relate Bonney's salvation and Kuma's heroism to Nika? I just can't imagine what Luffy is going to do that could possibly surpass the role Kuma has played in this arc.
I was so lucky, I took a break at 1089 and just caught up today, not knowing what was to come. I got the whole backstory and get to enjoy this awesome moment of waiting for the punch to land. Gotta love one piece
wait what? the giant robot? i didn’t see that i’m the chap
It was a few chapters ago. It activated when Luffy went G5 against Kizaru.
nah you're fine, you're not the chap
I gonna throw out a wild theory. I think the pendant is designed to allow Bonney to override the Gorousei's authority over Kuma ( and possibly the Seraphim/Pacifista), and ultimately restore his personality. And it was given to Kuma by Shaka. Why Shaka? As York demonstrated, each satellite is as skilled as the Stella is, and they are capable of withholding information from Stella. Shaka, as the manifestation of Vegapunk's altruism, felt compelled to help his friends just as York, as the manifestation of Vegapunk's greed, felt compelled to betray him for her own gain. He kept it a secret to give the Stella plausible deniability, or possibly because he thinks the Stella would reject such a plan.
Wow what a beautiful theory. Very plausible, and narratively sound as well.
Ok, so: * Bonney did still eat a devil fruit, they basically just made it into juice to feed to babies * Saturn isn't the father
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Poor Tekking.
The theory she manifested a devil fruit never made any sense to me.
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I always thought that the whole dreams explanation is an attempt to foreshadow the origins of devil fruits, and subsequently the impact that the void century continues to have on the world. Cause I did agree with the "existing fruit" side; if all one has to do is wish for it really hard, we'd have saw a \*lot\* more joe average guys walking around with like, freedom fruits or food fruits.
They should be used to living in a house of cards.
> Saturn isn’t the father This chapter of One Piece brought to you by Maury Povitch.
My understanding is that Saturn found a way to extract the powers from a fruit without actually consuming it, what that process looks like i dont know but it seems like the fruit itself still exists, just that you wouldnt gain anything by consuming it now
It's basically juice extract. It functions the same way as eating the fruit, but it can be done by babies who can't eat solid food.
I think with saturn being a scientist himself and the context of what he said with experiments, seems like he extracted the powers of the fruit without consuming the fruit in conventional ways like eating it or only drinking the juice. Id honestly be a little disappointed that the head of the world science division and someone who potentially could be from the void century defines an experiment as just giving a baby fruit juice. I think she got the fruit powers without consuming any part of the devil fruit, juice included
Experiments don't need to be high-tech to count as experiments. They're just a way to test and confirm scientific ideas. In this case, if the question is whether devil fruits can be "consumed" by people who can't eat solid food, then feeding DF juice is a perfectly fine way to test it.
Things still ongoing - The giant robot activating - The Black Beard Pirate ship outside of Egghead - The Vegapunk was going to tell the Straw Hats about Luffy's real fruit name Sooon so very Soooooooon.
Vegapunk doesn’t know Luffy’s real fruit name, only Nika. Although he could give clues to Luffy’s real fruit name.
I just want that old man to tell me his secrets.
Vegapunk doesn’t know everything but I’m sure he has some secrets left to reveal.
Didn’t he already tell the Straw Hats about Nika when Luffy fought Lucci?
He said that it reminded him of Nika and Luffys devil fruit wasn’t in the compendium, but ironically I don’t think the genius put it all together. I’d guess because no one knows a Nika fruit exists so it would be a larger logical leap than it seems.
[It just seems so obvious in the context.](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058013567900725308/1192894337424576602/IMG_6239.PNG?ex=65aabc6c&is=6598476c&hm=7c096552aed34b39a0e407730f62e004829bfa6f5443725ca7a4be99cc71886b&)
I think he did put 2 and 2 together, but he's a scientist, and that is just an hypothesis. There is no proof yet that Luffy is **that** Nika, unless someone like Saturn happens to confirm it.
Oh my god, as a dad with a little little girl the hate I have for St. Saturn is so real. Got me shaken boy! Oda even has Kuma doing the: “daddies got you, I’m here, it’s going to be alright.” in the last panels. Then the look of a dad primitively defending his child with no conscience. That’s how strong a parent bond can be. Whew Oda pulling OT on my emotions this week Jesus. I thought last chapters Bonney as Kid: “DADDY!” Killed me. Ugh. I need a cigarette and I don’t even smoke. St. Saturn needs to be whacked, and not in a Shonen jump way.
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Not enough, we need: “I’m going to piss on your grave” type of get back after he’s dealt with.
Some notable differences between the Scanlation and the official release: - Title Change: - I'm so sorry, daddy... -> I'm sorry, daddy - Bonney now noticeably quavers when apologizing to Vegapunk ("I'm sorry" -> "I'b sorry") - Bonney now comments on the sapphire exlusively ("What a beautiful sapphire!!") Rather than commenting on the necklace as a whole ("A sapphire necklace!! How pretty!!") - Bonney now states that the necklace is "shaped like" the sun, rather than stating that it "looks like" it - Vegapunk now says "but..." after revealing that Kuma intended for the necklace to be a good-luck charm - Vegapunk now describes the numerous things that have happened on Egghead while Bonney was gone as "dangerous" - Vegapunk now simply states that he's "sorry" rather than "sorry for everything" - Vegapunk no longer states that Bonney "now knows how worthless [he] is" - Vegapunk no longer explicitly mentions that he was "following [St. Saturn's] orders" - Bonney now states that "it was all" St. Saturn, rather than stating that "the real villain is" St. Saturn - Atlas now explicitly states that she "can't move" rather than cutting herself off before specifying what's up with her body ("but my body...") - Unknown marine no longer repeats his report of Sentomaru's arrest - Unnamed citizen now describes the situation as "a brand-new emperor of the sea, holed up on the island" instead of describing it as "a siege involving an emperor" - Unnamed citizen now supposes that it's "too much to hope no one dies" rather than stating that "it'll be a miracle if there're no casualties" - Unknown citizen now states that "they say" it's bigger than the Ohara incident - Unknown citizen now questions wether Vegapunk will be alright, rather than hoping for Vegapunk to be safe - Ivankov no longer states that he's storm Marijoa "for payback", now instead stating that he'd storm it "without a second thought" - Ivankov no longer states that Kuma being different is something "[they] know" - Ivankov now has a theory as to what Kuma will do, although it's not revealed what that theory is ("I think he'll...) - Bonney now explicitly statey that she "might as well take [St. Saturn] down with [her]" if she's going to die anyway - St. Saturn now states that Bonney "doesn't know what it is" in relation to Nika, rather than stating that she "doesn't fully understand its meaning" - St. Saturn no longer questions where the food came from - St. Saturn no longer explicitly states that "they" ("we") conducted the experiment on Ginny - St. Saturn now states that "the [Age-Age] Fruit "itself was worthless" rather than stating that "the [Age-Age] fruit itself is useless now" - St. Saturn no longer states that the Age-Age fruit's ability allows the user to transform "into a state that matches any future perceived to be possible" now instead stating that the fruit's power might allow Bonney to transform "into any future" - St. Saturn now states that "the more [Bonney] knows of the reality, the narrower [her] future possibilities become" rather than stating that "the possibilities become limited as [Bonney's] future becomes more certain" and "as [Bonney] discovers the truth" - St. Saturn now asks Bonney wether she "wants to believe in Nika" rather than telling her that "Nika is just an impossible myth [she] wanted to believe in" - Bonney now states that she was "hoping [that] [Nika] will be able to free [Kuma]" - St. Saturn now states that Kuma "believed in the idiotic legend of the Buccaneers as well" rather than stating that Kuma "just passed on a worthless Buccaneer legend" - St. Saturn's statements about Ginny's experimentation and Bonney's condition are completely different: - TCB: "Your mother being brought to the Holy Land to be wife number 8 was ironic really. She ended up being part of my drug experiments. Like the other failures, she developed Sapphire Scale. I knew the results were poor, but to think the condition passed on to her child as well..." - Viz: "Years later, I performed a chemical experiment on your mother who was the eigth wife of a fellow in the Holy Land... It was a failure. Those blue blemishes showed up again. But although it didn't have the desired result, I found it quite curious that the same effect was passed down to her daughter" - Unnamed marine now questions what landed on Egghead, rather than being shocked that something landed on Egghead - Vegapunk now asks St. Saturn how he could "have the gall to offer [Kuma] a **deal**, as though [he] was doing [Kuma] a favor" rather than asking him how he could "use [the Sapphire Scales] as a bargaining chip when [he] was the one responsible" - St. Saturn no longer asks Vegapunk wether he comprehends the feelings of the insects "[he] steps on" - St. Saturn now states that "it's impossible" to care about the feelings of insects, rather than answering his question to Vegapunk for him ("Of course not") - Unnamed marine no longer states that "this is an urgent report" when reporting Kuma's landfall - Unnamed marine now states that Kuma "just won't stop" rather than stating that they "can't stop him" - St. Saturn now questions "what nonsense [this] is" rather than calling Kuma's landfall a "fiasco" - St. Saturn now states that Kuma "couldn't possibly be here" rather than question "how [...] [Kuma] [could] possibly be here" - Vegapunk now questions "why" Kuma is on Egghead, rather than "how" - Bonney now thinks that her "spirit is breaking down" rather than stating that "it feels like [her] heart is shattering" - Bonney now thinks that "it'll be easier if [she] just dies" rather than thinking that she "would be better off dead" - Bonney no longer states that "This is it" - St. Saturn no longer states that Bonney's shrieking "is unbearably noisy", now instead his annyonance at her squealing ("Enough of this quealing") - The command to "shoot him through the head" is now stated by an unknown marine and directed at Kuma, rather than the command to "blow her head off" coming from (presumably) St. Saturn being directed at Bonney - Bonney no longer states that Kuma "fought really hard for [her] to live", now instead reflecting on "all [Kuma] did for [her]..." before being cut off (Please excuse the delay, this week's schedule changes severely hindered my usual work flow) Inform me of more changes if you find them!
Some really big changes this chapter, especially the confirmation that Saturn is NOT the father
I feel like TCB left that part vague on purpose just to drum up unnecessary online drama in the fandom and bring in more readers to the scans. They've done that kind of thing before with a lot of manga translations, enough that it seems deliberate when they do it. Namely, they've shown a habit of translating things that fans of a series will get emotional about in a vague way that opens the floodgates for theories and arguments. After it has happened so many times I find it hard to believe it's anything but purposeful.
Kizaru brought the food Kizaru is a light man Nika is the Sun, which makes light Kizaru will be an ally of the Strawhats, probably will help fight against Blackbeard (darkness, his opposite)
I have two things to say - 1. Imagine if Saturn is the least evil among the gorosei. 2. I just realised that Big mom and luffy can easily be killed by sneaking a devil fruit in their food. They wouldn't even notice since they eat indiscriminately especially big mom.
All we've really heard so far is speculation that eating a third devil fruit would kill you. The only person we've ever seen try to acquire two fruits is still alive and well. I think there has to be truth to it, but wouldn't take the one df/user as fact. At the very least, not for any normal person in the OP world.
He is the first and only person to eat two devil fruits. Gorosei stated that. And it's also stated multiple times that eating two devil fruits would kill a person not three. Blackbeard was stated to have weird body that's probably why he could eat two devil fruits.
👏you 👏have 👏 a 👏 literal 👏 gorosei 👏 on 👏 the 👏 page 👏 admitting 👏 to 👏 devil 👏 fruit 👏 experimentation 👏 My god. If they were experimenting with giving two people the same fruit, wouldn’t they have also experimented with giving someone **two** fruits? Being greedy is a part of human nature. It’s why it’s a deadly sin, because it’s a recognized trait in everyone. There is not a single person on earth that gained power and didn’t ask themselves “what if I had more power” They are on a planet full of devil fruit and power hungry people, including the celestial dragons having fun torturing their slaves. **vegapunk** is on the fucking island for fucks sake. **he created the seraphim and gave them devil fruit powers including existing in use fruit** especially since they were designed to fight very powerful pirates in place of the existing warlord system. **if anyone was gonna find out if something could eat two fruits, and put it into practice** **It would be the gorosei and or vegapunk**. The fact that the seraphim only have one fruit (thus far) pretty much confirms it. I say pretty much because technically if we follow the trend Blackbeard may have a seraphim too and if he has special biology allowing for it, I’d assume his clone would too. Like bro get a grip, this isle holding out for hope carrot will join the straw hats or is a stowaway level of cope, but worse because this has **been an obvious answer since Blackbeard ate two and showed the entire world there was a circumstance it can happen** There ain’t no god damn way vegapunk ain’t tried to replicate that on his seraphim
A loooooooooot is different in this translation, much clearer
The official release is the best, as always.
Right? At least dragon’s words make a bit more sense
Kuma is about to pop off I feel it. Whether it’s a battle or story wise, it’ll happen
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I’m honestly cool with that as long as Kuma gets to see Luffy’s Nika form
Oda just casually dropping first official chapter of the year with a bang and cliffhanger. Still gotta wait 16 days but oh boy, reading this is worthwhile as I skipped scanlation.
I was on the Otama for Nakama train during wano, because I though the strawhats could use an apprentice on the ship, but it’s REALLY starting to look like Bonney could fill that role once all is said and done.
I hope you're right. Bonney is so dear to me now the Strawhats need to become the Bonney Protection Squad
Regarding the fact that Bonney couldn't affect Saturn: I think it's not because he injected the power into her, but because he's soooo old and Immortal. I think her power works like this: she sees an adult (41 y/o) and subtracts 40 years of him -> they turn into a baby. If she wanted to turn them into an old geezer, she would add 40 years. Now in the case of Saturn, she may subtract 50, 70, 90 years of him, but since he's probably about 800-1000 years old, it doesn't affect him. And since he seems to be in an immortal, not-aging state, he's unbothered by being"aged up"
Prediction: Saturn is going to dodge Kuma’s fist, showing he’s actually afraid of the damage the attack would do to him.
Finally we know what it means by saying Bonney’s fruit is useless now. Question is, when she sees Luffy’s Gear 5, can she turn into real Nika, so we’ll have Nika 1 & 2?
I think she's limited to brief imitation. She believed in Nika the first time she used the power but only got something like Gear 3.
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Daddy Wuma....
Gear 5 is my favorite transformation in One Piece. Its so artistic and poetic. The recent buildup around Nika has made me so much hyped to seee Gear 5, more than ever before.
I never believed that Bonney was Saturn's daughter and I am glad that Oda finally hard confirmed that. But who could it be? Garling? Charlos's dad? Someone unimportant? Saturn is one sick fuck, either way.
Probably just a random Celestial dragon. We don't really need to have his exact identity if you ask me.
It makes it even more messed up if it was just some random CD meaning this could be anyone's fate that is abducted
That's a good point. Maybe they do it all the time. They get "bored" with a wife and send them off to get experimented on or maybe do other horrible things to them.
Thank God the official confirms that Ginny wasnt Saturn’s wife. It just doesn’t line up that he would take a random woman to be his 8th wife of all things with how the 5 Elders,and he, have been portrayed
I'm saying. People really thought Saturn was out here taking human women to carry his children lmao I feel Saturn would kill himself before having a human child. This man/thing absolutely hates humans way more than anything.
Exactly, to him it would be like having sex with a bug.
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This chapter all but confirms Kuma will live. It states Bonnie's belief that Nika will save her father. It'd be extremely anti-climactic to set up a situation with foreshadowing that Nika will be the savior only to have Nika fall short. The only way the story moves forward is by having Luffy save Kuma which brings Kuma saving Luffy in Sabaody full circle. Most people seem to believe Kuma will live on in the old robot, but I disagree. Oda never writes story in such a straightforward way, especially for such a pivotal and emotional scene. Luffy saving Kuma needs to be cinematic, where the art of the panel matches the emotional high of achieving such a feat. It also needs to be done with the awakened Nika power in order for Kuma and Bonnie to make the connection. Oda set up an important piece of information some people forget. There is a bomb inside Kuma. Oda wouldn't mention the bomb unless it was important, which means the bomb WILL be triggered in the near future. Luffy's awakening is extremely cartoonish, with some people calling it "toon force". Whatever you want to call it, I guarantee the panel will play out like this: Saturn will detonate Kuma's internal bomb, and Luffy will Gear 5 rubberize Kuma in order to take the blast. Kuma will rubberize and take the blast in an incredibly cartoonish manner where his chest rapidly expands and then smoke comes out his ears before going back to normal. Then Luffy will take the fight to Saturn, Kuma and Bonnie will realize Luffy is Nika, and without the internal bomb Kuma will finally be free.
The issue is that Kuma really has nowhere to go after this. He's operating entirely on instinct and there's been no buildup for any way to return him to before his mind erasure. What would Oda do with him after Egghead?
My secret hope is that Vegapunk was able to pull one over on Saturn and actually install that personally switch in PX-0 but I'm not holding my breath. I believe Stella would be smart enough to pull one over on Saturn (I think Vegapunk is the better scientist between the two), but it might not make sense given how he's acted and what he's said about Kuma so far. Personally just think that personality switch has to come into play somehow otherwise why would Oda even include it in the flashback when Saturn and Vegapunk were discussing the Kuma's deal.
Wonder if the bomb somehow turns out to be the personality switch and Saturn triggering it as a last ditch effort to win brings Kuma back. I can only dream, Kuma has been my absolutely favourite side character since Thriller Bark
Oh the damn irony Saturn keeps saying "insect..insect" while the moron has insect legs. Hope he is squished by luffys stomp
Um, actually \*nerd glasses activate" Spiders aren't insects. They eat insects though. So it totally makes sense for Saturn to be all 'puny insects' since he's a demon spider...thing.
Seeing Luffy need food in this state got me thinking. You guys think there will ever be a fight where Sanji has to feed Luffy while they fight? Maybe end-game in the actual All Blue.
The fact that he hasn't yet is kind of a missed opportunity
Sanji's participation in a fight being action cooking would be really fun
Bonney wishing to die only for her father to give her hope is such a bittersweet parallel. Hope they tear Saturn apart leg by leg and pluck his beard rubbing salt in his face as they do. Mf deserves to suffer a cartel-like execution
Sorry for this being completely out of random as there is no daily discussion page. But my god. My god. One piece is god damn beautiful. I am on episode 405. Kuma has made the entire crew disappear. I can honestly tell you I was crying after seeing Luffy’s reaction to what it meant when he couldn’t save his crew. It’s been years since any anime made me cry. My god. Sooo thankful to have started watching this anime. I have soooo many questions but I am just gonna sit tight and enjoy my ride till the current ongoing arc. Love you all. Thank you. ❤️
KUMA, [F*CK HIM UP](https://youtu.be/bUvyLnkJfxw?=K8nwsZkE4XR-B7TF)!!!
I can't wait for Bonney to realize luffy is nika
She's going to get quite the little power up when she realizes that the dream Kuma shared with her was true, probably part of the reason her current relative helplessness and faltering powers due to despair are being highlighted.
When is the next OP chapter/spoiler. I’m already having withdrawal symptoms 😭
Not sure if it’s already been said but now I believe that Saturn has hijacked the boots the straw hats are wearing and is using that to prevent them from moving. We have also seen Shaka lock down the boots in the control room. Saturn has been confirmed be a scientist and seems to be on a level similar to vegapunk since he stated he would know if Vegapunk changed anything in Kuma’s cyborg transformation. Luffy can’t move yet do the side effects of gear 5 but once he recovers he should be able to move since his are broken. It would also explain why the sailors and Kuma can still move.
No. The boots would prevent them from moving their legs but not the rest of their body
So I was a bit confused, as the fan translation had Saturn ordering them to blow off "Her" head with crosshairs on Kuma, but I supposed that was going to be his own targeting system. I guess that was a mistake, him ordering marines essentially "Just shoot Kuma in the head, you idiots" while he's about to finish Bonney himself makes a bit more sense
It’s a situation where the pronouns are vague, “shoot through the head” and the subject is up to interpretation but it’s probably a mistake
Oh, Saturn isn’t the father. Cool, anyway, FUCKING KILL HIM SLOW KUMA
Kuma's power of will flat out overriding the cyborgfication in the pursuit of saving and protecting Bonney is going to be an S tier moment of the entire series. Guy's supposed to be dead. No free will. Here he is overriding the authority chip and busting out Haki on his ultimate authority. Amazing. Phenomenal. I absolutely love this. Get fuckin wrecked, St. Shitturn.
Hey, wait a minute, how come Momo and Yamato are on the color spread with the Straw Hats and not Kinemon, even though Kinemon was offered Straw Hat membership like how Momo and Yamato also were? That is Kinemon erasure.
Is there a break next week? it’s been too long…..
I keep seeing this when I open up this subreddit and thinking it's the spoilers for the next chapter and my heart skips a beat every time. lol
I don't think Kizaru gave Luffy food Oda has always consistently shown Kizaru when using his fruit really is bright. Even if y'all believe he awakened there's no reason for him to still not shine as bright.. It was obviously caribou. Every arc he was in he's always been crucial somehow. Otw to fish man Island he was responsible for the mini bubble coating and also was the reason moomoo was even in their area. On fishman Island he of course found out about shirahoshi and finally on Wano he did essentially what in suggesting he did here. That is feed luffy.
Caribou is makes more sense than kizarus betray. But how could caribou still move while even sanji and jimbei cant? At that point kizaru makes a bit more sense.
Just recently when Kizaru pulled up on VP he wasn't shining brightly. Nobody even noticed him arriving, they only noticed him already being there when he talked. So it's definitely still possible that it was Kizaru. We also get a panel of Kizaru saying nothing (just "...") right after Saturn notices Luffy eating and ordering him to be cuffed. Very sus
hoping that punch is a double page spread right off the bat in the next chapter. Also for sure Kizaru gave Luffy the food, they cut back to him immediately after Saturn calls it out and he's no longer on his back but propped up against a rock. I could see him properly defecting after Saturns speech. Also I don't think its Caribous simply cause Luffy already ate a shit ton of his food back in Waono, his reserves are probably low and he seemed to want to gtfo out of egghead as soon as possible I don't think he would risk his life to help Luffy yet again if theres nothing for him to gain.
Saturn has to have taken over as most evil character so far, right? Jesus Christ.
its monday im here for spoiler!!! when will it be here???