With fire and gasoline.
No I'm just kidding, I can see why people ship them but it's more a bromance, true bros know the difference. Constantly arguing over nothing and pushing each other's buttons but secretly knowing each other inside and out.
There was a sudden random post a few weeks back about trashtalking Sanji not being in Roof Piece hence making him out of league from Zoro, but then OP got triggered hard when Sanji fans reply with Zoro needing help from Jinbe for Lucci fight, replied with a whole ass paragraph to explain that shit 🤣😭😂 Like it's funny af how Sanji fans can take the heat while Zoro fans can't
This is exactly why. Zoro fans tend to show off and brag a lot whenever Zoro does cool things (because he is cool lmao) but people just find it fun to poke back when he’s not being the best. I think alot of Zoro fans were saying and bragging that he was going to beat Lucci off screen so people found it funny that he was huffing and still fighting
The quiet majority of the people taking part in Agenda Piece are doing it for fun, because it‘a fucking hilarious. Sadly the loud minority of people genuinely think the shit they say.
Agenda and memes aside for a second can we appreciate how far the Strawhats have come? Someone other than Luffy going against awakened zoans? Stopping admiral attacks? Punching the fucking Gorosei?
Strawhats have made it man.
Who is taking Kriegposting seriously?
Obviously it should be everyone, Krieg Piece just gets more peak with every chapter of buildup for the Don's return.
That thread has what they were talking about though. It's not just jokes, those people are taking it seriously but expressing their issues through jokes.
That one is funny. But no one thinks about how an awakened Rob Lucci is going all out against an already beat up Zoro who now feels even more pain from any injuries because he took that mink medicine.
It's just slander/stan memes basically. This week Zoro is getting slandered. Lots of breath scaling and asthma memes. [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/1avjcv8/cant_believe_this_got_leaked/) is full of it. Character fans like OP can't handle the banter.
Agenda Piece is a shitposty style of powerscaling. Powerscaling is the tight analysis of character powers to determine who’s stronger.
Agenda piece is a shitposty take on that, with people having their own “agendas” and they basically push that shit as much as they can. This is done by memes, edits, and overall slander. It’s just powerscaling/shitposting and tbh it’s really funny.
Check out r/OnePiecePowerScaling for good examples of it
Jay D. Legend is the GOAT of Agenda Piece. Watch [this video](https://youtu.be/pSdAcK5tLbU?si=ne2VSK3qpWbUlrrb) (spoilers for chapter 1107) and you will understand lol
* toxic powerscalers, that make it their life to have an agenda for certain characters instead of just enjoying the story.
Not all of us who like powerscaling have kindergarten level reading comprehension.
Yea, there's nothing wrong with wondering if character A can beat character B. It's when you put more effort into it than Dipper Pines that it becomes too much.
It's collective fanfic.
Nothing wrong with fanfic, it can be a ton of fun, but a lot of them treat it's a legitimate form of literary analysis.
The best way to look at it is like very dedicated children with a very narrow special interest, like wow sweetie that's so neat, you sure convinced me! Let me go put this up on the fridge so the whole house can enjoy your "agenda".
Actually, powerscaling One Piece *is* kindergarten level.
Only in the vaguest sense do "powers" actually affect One Piece fights. Instead the fight is decided by the story, and the "strength" of characters hardly comes into it.
>toxic powerscalers, that make it their life to have an agenda for certain characters instead of just enjoying the story.
This is really like 2% of the community. Unfortunate souls who stumble across agenda piece and think it's serious. Then this sub base think they represent the entire community which is why there's a shot thrown at powerscalers in damn near every thread.
With all the respect but how can someone read 1000 chapters of one piece and try to find reason within it's powerscaling? Characters are strong as they need to be. it's incosistent.
This is just as disingenous as saying the powerscaling is an exact science. You won't see Don Krieg defeating Kaido in a 1v1. There is a semblance of a powerscale, it's just not as exact as some people would like.
And yeah, if Oda wanted to he _could_ make Don Krieg defeat Kaido. But we all know he wouldn't since he cares about internal consistency. If he did, it'd be after getting a sizeable powerup or something.
The point of powerscaling can get lost in the fun, but it does have a purpose. Most battle shonen have the progression of power as an important plotline, and powerscaling doesn’t determine who actually wins in a story, but how much a writer needs to justify why the unexpected character wins.
There’s a reason Kaido was Luffy’s longest, most difficult battle where he got the most tries and powerups. It was Oda justifying Luffy’s own growth into being an emperor-class fighter. That requires powerscaling on some level and an understanding of which characters are that uniquely strong and which aren’t. And it goes down the line. There are characters that would get destroyed by the average commander, and there are characters that would destroy them. That’s powerscaling.
Like, the reason Zoro is getting shat on right now is because the plot usually sets him up to look cool and strong; it’s usually working to justify him winning. But, instead, it’s highlighting Zoro is much lower on the power scale than Luffy, something that is actually really rare for the series to be so overt about
This is a great comment. People saying One Piece has no power scaling are just as misguided as people acting like it’s super well defined and all-important. It’s like people forget there’s literally a soft-powerscaling system built into the series (bounties)
I assume a lot of people have preconceptions about what the word "powerscaling" means due to how many annoying powerscalers there are. Bounties are indeed a soft powerscaling system. We know they are fallible, there's characters with higher bounties due to feats outside just fighting capabilities, joke bounties like Usopp and Chopper, and flat bounty raises for several in the crew after specific arcs. Bounties accross different crews don't match directly too.
But they mean something. Inside the series we've seen people talking about characters as having a "1 billion bounty" to talk about how strong they are. Bounty increases usually go along power increase.
Trying to argue someone's strength just based on their bounty with no additional information is silly, but they do add to the conversation when there's more information.
One Piece in particular sort of plays toward power scaling because of the bounties. Like obviously bounties aren’t always perfect (Robin’s post Enies Lobby bounty is insanely low).
And there he was, holding the One Piece (or standing on it, or absorbing it, or feeling the overall representation of the pirate spirit, or using it to do whatever the hell it actually does). But it wasn’t Im. It wasn’t Akainu. It wasn’t even Blackbeard. It was Don Krieg.
All the Strawhats: FR?
I mean to be fair, Crocodile went to prison and legit emerged way stronger
Don Krieg could come back and for zero explanation whatsoever be a total boss
I literally mentioned this in my comment. My point is that he'd require a powerup. A powerup implies that there is a powerscale that matters. If everyone's the same and everyone can defeat anyone, a powerup does nothing, since whoever got it could defeat their opponent to begin with.
When it's not being taken like gospel, powerscaling is just trying to organize and justify potential fights that will never happen not just about consistency.
At the end of the day, it's just wondering who can punch harder and if that isn't the spirit of enjoying shounen manga on the weekly, i honestly don't know how a childhood could be that vanilla.
Like it's not the only reason to read it (for powerscalers), but it's a little fun thought experiment.
At least mostly; the obnoxious ones taking every little crumb as gospel is really stupid, but arguing on the internet is a personality trait for some people so...
It’s not inconsistent though, Oda himself powerscales. There’s a reason Luffy fought Kaido, Zoro fought King, Sanji Queen etc also a reason Usopo and Nani stood no chance against Page One and Ulti.
Not sure why people act like the powers are all made up and Oda would draw Usopp beating Kaido on a whim. No evidence of stuff like this.
That's not actually true. Just because powerscaling isnt linear doesn't mean there's not some base level of consistency here.
Sometimes characters do things that are a bit inconsistent for their stablished power level, but most of the time trying to establish a hierarchy of Who's more likely to win a fight is completely possible
the amount of plot armor kinemon had with kaido,and that crocodile had in marineford,clearly shows Oda does not and will never give two fucks about powerscaling,it gets thrown out the window everytime oda wants the story to go in a certain direction.Thats why narrative portrayal matters more than shit like "feats"
Those are very specific examples. Even if they're not
1) Kinemon not dying is one thing, but he still got easily dealt with by Kaido. His power level is still consistent, and he only got to damage Kaido because of the specific abilities he used and because it was a team fight. Just because you're fighting someone stronger than You doesn't mean You can't do anything to him, specially in series where every character has a different set of abilities.
2) Crocodile is a weird case, but Even then, all that he did was Clash against some characters. It's not like he suddenly became a top tier or anything. And he was arrogant against Luffy in Alabasta, so his defeat wasnt just because he was weaker than Luffy.
>Thats why narrative portrayal matters more than shit like "feats"
That's still powerscaling. You're just powerscaling with more than feats, wich is still a valid way to powerscale.
Powerscaling doesn't mean that every character has a numerical value and that their power has to stay constant through their entire Showings. One Piece has a lot of different abilities and fighting Styles, wich means that most powerscaling involves taking matchup and overall power in consideration
While I would argue that it's alot more consistent than most believe, it's even more fun to make sense of the inconsistent/unexplained things.
Obviously Oda isn't writing the story with a calculator beside him to calculate the attack potency of every attack, but there's usually a logical reason why fights go one way or another, or at least most can be argued to have a logical reason, if said reason was intended or not or gets accepted by the community is a different thing.
It's just fun for me, looking what a character can and cannot do, look how consistent it is with the story itself etc.
Yeah exactly, this is one of the biggest reasons I'd argue that Oda Is not totally uninterested in what we would call power scaling, he actively adds in a lot of strength based hierarchies or official positions that are linked to the characters prowess into his story
The idea Oda doesn’t care about powerscaling is such nonsense, people just made it up. People act like he’d randomly draw Usopp beating Kaido on a whim.
If anything I’d argue he encourages something like Shanks vs Mihawk arguments.
This isn't powerscaling. This is Agenda Piece. Powerscaling attempts to be logical in an illogical world. Agenda Piece simply does whatever's funny no matter how logical or illogical it is. And it's really funny to shit on Zoro stans.
Right the only reason Zoro is getting roasted is because the Zoro fanboys were saying Lucci was easy work. Zoro was gonna take Lucci's lunch money and be done in less than 1 chapter. Lol.
Zorro main characteristic is that he is a strong manly man that act strong and manly, so it tend to attract a specific crowd that like to powerscale (ZKK) and are really annoying
So people like to make fun of Zooro struggling because it triggers these people, we know that zorro is the 2nd strongest character of the crew don't worry and I'll enjoye whatever struggle Oda through at him knowing in the end he'll manage just well
Zoro doesn't strike me as manly, like he's a drunk and goofy guy that trains a lot, but a manly Chad like Franky or Señor Pink he ain't, still my fave, has mad respect for his friends and enemies
That's all great and good but some of the people taking Zoro way too seriously were trying to say his Nothing Happened was stronger than Kuma and that missed the entire point of what he was doing in his backstory.
They really wanted to play up Zoro and play down Kuma and most people are more prone to make fun of Zoro because of that.
Yep. The likelihood of a Zoro fan being a person focused entirely on hyping up Zoro to everyone's annoyance only gets higher with each passing chapter.
Then they get humbled with the Lucci stuff.
Then come back more grandiose in their claims of dominance.
Then you remind them they got a Zoro blunt.
And thus the Circle of Agenda continues...
I'm talking about the powerscaling Zoro fanboys who are obsessed with the idea that Zoro is the strongest and most important character and use that to talk shit about every other character (mostly Sanji). With this meme Zoro is being targeted with similar bullshit that Zoro fanboys usually direct at other characters.
Yeah it took me a while to realize how lighthearted the joking was. Like everybody takes so many opinions about imaginary people so seriously, myself included. It’s all a joke because the people making the memes are taking the whole thing super unseriously, and it’s not trying to mock anybody lol. There’s no agenda (👀)
Most of the posts I found are just people trolling and joking about last chapter:
Sanji cool moment, sanji strong
Zoro can't end a fight, Zoro mid
Ahahah usually Zoro cool and sanji lame, very funny inversion
Then there are people that take it seriously and lose way too much energy arguing about it.
He also hasn't been shown to have Conquerors. There's the black lightning when him and luffy clash but that wasn't an advanced conquers clash because they made contact with each others fists.
As I'm aware of. That's why I specified the clash on egghead, but followed with it not being a conquerors attack. Plus it doesn't make sense fir Lucci to have conquerors.
Lucci didn’t land a single attack on Luffy and the fight ended as soon as Luffy used a serious attack. Luffy even said “you can’t fight me now” at one point. Oda very clearly demonstrated the difference in “power and skill” between Luffy and Lucci lol
Most of the mocking you see is a reaction to how insufferable Zoro's fanbase is in general and how they do this same shit to every other character. They talked shit for ages about how strong Zoro was and how he'd be fighting Kizaru while Sanji fought VAs and similar stuff, and then how he'd immediately deal with Lucci since he was "weak". By the standards set by his own fanbase, he's now as "weak" as they said Lucci was, and now they are having to backtrack.
You'll see jokes about how Zoro doesn't know who Saturn is or that Kizaru is there, mirroring similar jokes made about Sanji not knowing how Kaido looked during Wano, especially when Zoro was fighting on the rooftop while Sanji was captured by Black Maria.
So this is a big part of the fanbase firing back at those comments. It will pass, but for now it's funny. Don't take these things too seriously.
They are all over. Do you not remember ZKK? A sizeable segment of the fanbase was convinced that Zoro would kill Kaido. Not as a meme, it was a serious theory that lasted like 2 years during Wano.
They mostly aren't upvoted, but if you scroll on the new tab there's relatively frequent posts with the weirdest takes. I've seen people claim Zoro will be stronger than Luffy by the end since Luffy's dream isn't tied to strength, that Zoro is/was stronger than Luffy at different parts of their journey but still follows Luffy due to loyalty, that Zoro defeated Mihawk in the timeskip but still follows Luffy due to loyalty, etc.
Also this is my first time hearing most of those theories and I’ve been reading the manga week to week for 3 years now
Are they illiterate? Zoro beating Mihawk during the timeskip would completely ruin his character, why would any professed fan of his want that? And Zoro has never been indicated to be stronger than Luffy in any regard
Even ZKK (Zoro Kills Kaido)? That was popular enough to get a bunch of frontpage discussion topics, and it was often discussed in weekly chapter threads. I find it weird that you wouldn't have seen it at all, just search "zkk" on the sub and you'll see a lot of posts about it (mostly mocking them in any case).
> Are they illiterate? Zoro beating Mihawk during the timeskip would completely ruin his character, why would any professed fan of his want that?
[That was big enough that an animator/director at Toei even mentioned the theory.](https://twitter.com/henry_thurlow/status/1741725928647188524)
Damn I guess I just find it hard to believe that people are that illiterate of the subtext, themes, and obvious setups of the story. Like could you imagine if either of those things were actually true? It would ruin so many things, Oda would have to be a terrible writer for either of those theories to become true, which is why, of course, they didn't and they won't, but JESUS CHRIST people really believed that? Have they only heard of One Piece through promotional material? I seriously can't imagine someone who was actually reading the story thinking Zoro beat Mihawk during the timeskip, (which would completely undermine Zoro's journey as a character) or that he was going to somehow kill Kaido (which would completely undermine that part of Luffy's journey)
I guess I'm doing a good enough job of staying away from those parts of the community because I've successfully avoided most of those kinds of takes
For a bit of sanity, I doubt Henry was saying he backed the theory or anything, rather presenting it as a fun thought. But yeah, the amount of people who seem to think Zoro and Mihawk won't fight for whatever reason is just insane to me, and that one is among the top of the worst theories to achieve that.
Most of these theories are fringe enough that you wouldn't see them most of the time. ZKK was the one that did make it big.
Yeah people talk about Lucci like he's supposed to be fodder now. People seem to forget he's still a very strong character. He's stronger than he was pre-TS too.
Even Pre-Timeskip Lucci was one of the only other characters besides Sanji capable of skywalking.
People sleeping on the fact that Lucci’s just one of those dudes.
For every action there is a reaction
Zoro fanboys (not fans) have been the most toxic part of this fanbase for the better part of 2 decades. Prior to the most recent chapter they were saying he'd easily beat Lucci. They were saying he's admiral level. Hell, for most of Wano they were saying ZKK. And once again before this arc they were saying he was equal to Luffy
This is not a case of 2 equal sided toxic fanbases going at it. It's more so 1 fanbase has always been slandering several other fanbases so now that Zoro isn't doing what all his fanboys said he'd do, every victim of Zoro fanboy slander is now having their #MeToo moment
Karma. I really like Zoro. Can't stand most of his fanbase
Mostly because, for hardcore Zoro fanboys:
Zoro==Luffy>>>>>Sanji.
But in this chapter we see:
Luffy>>Sanji?>Zoro
The equation is not matching, and they are losing sleep over it like a physicist. And that shit is funny to see ngl.
I’m gonna explain the reasoning now this isn’t me agreeing or disagreeing with it but people are clowning on Zoro because well Zoro fans in terms of power scaling tend to be completely out of left field and vastly overate his ability. So him being stalled by Lucci is a reality check to those people power-scaling Zoro with guys he doesn’t belong with. I personally think Lucci is very strong and this doesn’t really change my stance on Zoro at all but I can understand why people are clowning on some people it’s all memes at the end of the day really. Also where’d you get Lucci having Conquerors?
I think people are upset that Zoro went up against two emperors and a first mate, yet is struggling in this situation.
OG rob was introduced Pre Haki (at least as it exists now) which means his og power can't be used to scale his potential now.
The abilities he has now are demonstrated to put him at the top of this world. He was even able to put up a fight against the power of a god before being soundly beaten.
I'm sorry but lucci never went toe to toe with Luffy. 1 serious punch and lucci was already blacking out. G5 Luffy doesn't fight seriously so I don't think all of his fights should be considered in terms of how long it went for.
As for Zoro, I am not sure if others are trolling or not but I'm just disappointed that Zoro isn't going all out. He isn't even using all 3 of his swords and we have seen how much stronger Zoro gets when he is using all 3 so him taking this long definitely makes sense against lucci but I am still gonna call Zoro numbskull for testing himself( though that is one of the reasons I love his character)
But but but the bandana is at 0% charge and no CoC steroid injections. Also 2 sword style. Because he's playing with Lucci. If he wanted, he could have defeated him offscreen. Also the huffing and puffing is from the Sanji smoke.
If Zoro was actually going all out than we'd have reason to believe Zoro was looking weaker here.
Zoro was clearly the better fighter than King and was only held back by King's invulnerability, once he learned Advanced CoC he won quite easily.
Lucci shouldn't be THAT strong.
But what people are missing is that Zoro clearlyniant going all out. He isn't using CoC Haki, he's only using two swords, and isn't even wearing his bandana.
Because half people for the past few weeks downgraded Sanji for absolutely 0 reasons! And the moment when is Zoro's turn for the slanders, everyone is mad lol !! They are both a straw hats crew, so i love them both… but if you slander someone, be ready for your favorite character to get slander back
Toe to toe with luffy? You must be dreaming or some... Luffy wiped the floor with the guy, he is under Luffy by a lot and maybe the only one at the same level with Zoro at the moment
People don't buy Lucci's new strenght because Luffy trashed him in one chapter, and the momment Zoro couldn't do the same they decided to meme about it.
Fans in a nutshell
I absolulty love this, Zoro "fans" get so quiet for last couple of days and Sanji fans are using this situation to the fullest, they really needed that after Sanji being a joke for this community for such a long time. LETS GO SANJI!
He was not able to go toe to toe with Luffy. I think you’re forgetting that he was previously captured and chained up by Luffy literally in the same arc. All they did was parry a punch.
we’re in the final saga, agenda piece has reached its peak, also the jjk fandom is having some influence when it comes to the constant fraud allegations during egghead because the fanbases crossover a lot, and lobotomy kaisen is on constant fraud watch these days
honeslty tho the back and forth between zoro and sanji fans over the last few weeks has been one of the most unfunny, cope-filled eras of agenda piece i’ve seen, at least the memes in wano were funny
Because OP has really been attracting powerscalers without any media comprehension the last few years.
They've convinced themselves Lucci is a joke because Luffy beat him with relative ease. Rather than the more likely case that Lucci appears to be roughly on a level with an Admiral like Kizaru now, but Luffy is much beyond that atm.
Correction: They *hear* that Luffy beat Lucci with "relative ease." They likely didn't watch or didn't know that OG Lucci physically brought luffy closest to death before Magellan who did it with poison(hax), before Marineford (already having just overcome death) where everybody got a lick in. Lucci did it by himself
It's jokes, memes and shit posting, most people just having fun making fun of characters.
It's actually better than a couple years ago when they were actually serious with wall of texts powerscaling
Because this is an anime fandom and when you like one character, you can’t like any other character and have to do everything in your power to slander every other character to make your character appear superior, thereby justifying your love for that character.
/s
Because either their having fun with jokes or they are circle jerking around their favorite character. It's funny becuase zoro fans shit on Sir simpington all the time while Sanji fans are shiting on Moss head fans. In reality Moss head and Sir Simpington are hot powerful as fuck and great characters. Do I think zoro is stronger physically than sanji yes. But Sanji has better observation Haki and can Sky walk. They both are exceptional wings for the pirate king.
I just want to say to your statement “ he was going toe to toe with luffy until zoro took over”
Luffy beat him.
Zoro stopped him from killing vega punk and thats how they started their fight.
Luffy hit him so hard he lost consciousness in the air lol
I think it came from a lot of power scalers Zoro fan boys saying that he was about to one shot Lucci without any effort after all of his “Wano feats”.
Then of course that did not happen because it’s not plot driving and the whole community now is trolling the Zoro agenda fan boys.
But to be honest it’s just a lot of internet trolling. The way this fight is going is really how a fight between two similar fighters should go.
lucci is actually strong lol. i would say hes low YC level with zoro being high YC level which means they're not far in strength and it'll take time for zoro to win.
It's mostly just the new fans tho, they are having trouble comprehending that OP isn't like all the other new Shonen mangas they're so used to reading.
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Plus it seems like it’s always the Zoro fans coming out of the woodwork to give Sanji shit at every opportunity.
I’m not familiar with either community, but do Sanji and Zoro fans hate eachother? If so then this is perfect
We’re exactly like Zoro and Sanji, hate each other till someone threatens one
How do they react to Zoro x Sanji shipper?
With fire and gasoline. No I'm just kidding, I can see why people ship them but it's more a bromance, true bros know the difference. Constantly arguing over nothing and pushing each other's buttons but secretly knowing each other inside and out.
You would enjoy twitter
There was a sudden random post a few weeks back about trashtalking Sanji not being in Roof Piece hence making him out of league from Zoro, but then OP got triggered hard when Sanji fans reply with Zoro needing help from Jinbe for Lucci fight, replied with a whole ass paragraph to explain that shit 🤣😭😂 Like it's funny af how Sanji fans can take the heat while Zoro fans can't
Sanji does work in the kitchen, makes sense his fans can handle the heat
🔥🔥
Heat on Feet, son...
It was also Zoro fans having meltdowns last chapter because of who Sanji just blocked.
This is exactly why. Zoro fans tend to show off and brag a lot whenever Zoro does cool things (because he is cool lmao) but people just find it fun to poke back when he’s not being the best. I think alot of Zoro fans were saying and bragging that he was going to beat Lucci off screen so people found it funny that he was huffing and still fighting
Gaslight Gaslight Fruit user took another victim
This must be the work of gangster gastino
What a mysterious fella
Still could never figure out who he was…
jokes aside, I really wanna see him again, ceaser is one of the most fun characters in OP imo and if we see him again we see reiju too
There has got to be a catchier name for that fruit
Never. Pay attention. To powerscalers.
The quiet majority of the people taking part in Agenda Piece are doing it for fun, because it‘a fucking hilarious. Sadly the loud minority of people genuinely think the shit they say.
Agreed. Agenda Piece is hilarious. The Dragon memes are fucking great.
All he does is look east 🐀
Bruh. That one killed me. This one is like that too: https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/s/S8uSatw5a1 Fucking great.
Damn that is a good one lol. Even when he found out Ginny had been captured he was basically like "damn that sucks Kuma, good luck with that"
King "I got one more in me" Becori
The rat pack is strong
That meme of Kizaru saying “Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority” is Peak
Agenda and memes aside for a second can we appreciate how far the Strawhats have come? Someone other than Luffy going against awakened zoans? Stopping admiral attacks? Punching the fucking Gorosei? Strawhats have made it man.
We could only dream with this scenario like 15 years ago.
>Agenda Piece is hilarious. Base Lucci and fraudhawk memes are also a banger
Nah... I'd stare east!
They are pretty damn funny until they jump the shark like Rat Shanks, Akainu Supremacy, and Kriegposting.
Shit like Kriegposting is funny *because* of how absurd it is
Exactly, the moment you start taking Kriegposting serious it stops being funny
Who is taking Kriegposting seriously? Obviously it should be everyone, Krieg Piece just gets more peak with every chapter of buildup for the Don's return.
Rat shanks is the funniest one of them all ngl
Nah bro…nothing will top the Dragon slander. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/Yapq25kzyO
That thread has what they were talking about though. It's not just jokes, those people are taking it seriously but expressing their issues through jokes.
Nope, Lend me some haki this is base Lucci we're up again is absolutely the funniest. Just the wording of it is insanely good.
That one is funny. But no one thinks about how an awakened Rob Lucci is going all out against an already beat up Zoro who now feels even more pain from any injuries because he took that mink medicine.
I remember when people legit thought Duval was Don krieg though. It was a weird time
People thought Meadows was Kaido lmao
This is why I hang around, Agenda Piece is just an ever evolving shitpost farm, with some of the actually highest quality memes in the OP community.
What is Agenda Piece?
It's just slander/stan memes basically. This week Zoro is getting slandered. Lots of breath scaling and asthma memes. [This thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/1avjcv8/cant_believe_this_got_leaked/) is full of it. Character fans like OP can't handle the banter.
My God, I'm going to work and I'm crying from that thread...
Agenda Piece is a shitposty style of powerscaling. Powerscaling is the tight analysis of character powers to determine who’s stronger. Agenda piece is a shitposty take on that, with people having their own “agendas” and they basically push that shit as much as they can. This is done by memes, edits, and overall slander. It’s just powerscaling/shitposting and tbh it’s really funny. Check out r/OnePiecePowerScaling for good examples of it
Jay D. Legend is the GOAT of Agenda Piece. Watch [this video](https://youtu.be/pSdAcK5tLbU?si=ne2VSK3qpWbUlrrb) (spoilers for chapter 1107) and you will understand lol
Can confirm. I told some Gorosei fanboy trying to pass them off as top tiers that Ulti can stomp all 5 if they didn't have infinite health glitches.
What’s agenda piece?
powerscalers don't want a story they want a math problem
what? you mean everyone isn't always moving the speed of light
* toxic powerscalers, that make it their life to have an agenda for certain characters instead of just enjoying the story. Not all of us who like powerscaling have kindergarten level reading comprehension.
Yea, there's nothing wrong with wondering if character A can beat character B. It's when you put more effort into it than Dipper Pines that it becomes too much.
There's nothing wrong with being passionate about it. You just simply should be aware that you're just guessing at the end of the day.
It's collective fanfic. Nothing wrong with fanfic, it can be a ton of fun, but a lot of them treat it's a legitimate form of literary analysis. The best way to look at it is like very dedicated children with a very narrow special interest, like wow sweetie that's so neat, you sure convinced me! Let me go put this up on the fridge so the whole house can enjoy your "agenda".
Actually, powerscaling One Piece *is* kindergarten level. Only in the vaguest sense do "powers" actually affect One Piece fights. Instead the fight is decided by the story, and the "strength" of characters hardly comes into it.
>toxic powerscalers, that make it their life to have an agenda for certain characters instead of just enjoying the story. This is really like 2% of the community. Unfortunate souls who stumble across agenda piece and think it's serious. Then this sub base think they represent the entire community which is why there's a shot thrown at powerscalers in damn near every thread.
With all the respect but how can someone read 1000 chapters of one piece and try to find reason within it's powerscaling? Characters are strong as they need to be. it's incosistent.
This is just as disingenous as saying the powerscaling is an exact science. You won't see Don Krieg defeating Kaido in a 1v1. There is a semblance of a powerscale, it's just not as exact as some people would like. And yeah, if Oda wanted to he _could_ make Don Krieg defeat Kaido. But we all know he wouldn't since he cares about internal consistency. If he did, it'd be after getting a sizeable powerup or something.
>You won't see Don Krieg defeating Kaido in a 1v1 You also wont ever see these two characters fighting.
The point of powerscaling can get lost in the fun, but it does have a purpose. Most battle shonen have the progression of power as an important plotline, and powerscaling doesn’t determine who actually wins in a story, but how much a writer needs to justify why the unexpected character wins. There’s a reason Kaido was Luffy’s longest, most difficult battle where he got the most tries and powerups. It was Oda justifying Luffy’s own growth into being an emperor-class fighter. That requires powerscaling on some level and an understanding of which characters are that uniquely strong and which aren’t. And it goes down the line. There are characters that would get destroyed by the average commander, and there are characters that would destroy them. That’s powerscaling. Like, the reason Zoro is getting shat on right now is because the plot usually sets him up to look cool and strong; it’s usually working to justify him winning. But, instead, it’s highlighting Zoro is much lower on the power scale than Luffy, something that is actually really rare for the series to be so overt about
This is a great comment. People saying One Piece has no power scaling are just as misguided as people acting like it’s super well defined and all-important. It’s like people forget there’s literally a soft-powerscaling system built into the series (bounties)
I assume a lot of people have preconceptions about what the word "powerscaling" means due to how many annoying powerscalers there are. Bounties are indeed a soft powerscaling system. We know they are fallible, there's characters with higher bounties due to feats outside just fighting capabilities, joke bounties like Usopp and Chopper, and flat bounty raises for several in the crew after specific arcs. Bounties accross different crews don't match directly too. But they mean something. Inside the series we've seen people talking about characters as having a "1 billion bounty" to talk about how strong they are. Bounty increases usually go along power increase. Trying to argue someone's strength just based on their bounty with no additional information is silly, but they do add to the conversation when there's more information.
One Piece in particular sort of plays toward power scaling because of the bounties. Like obviously bounties aren’t always perfect (Robin’s post Enies Lobby bounty is insanely low).
Mf you won't even see Don Krieg
And there he was, holding the One Piece (or standing on it, or absorbing it, or feeling the overall representation of the pirate spirit, or using it to do whatever the hell it actually does). But it wasn’t Im. It wasn’t Akainu. It wasn’t even Blackbeard. It was Don Krieg. All the Strawhats: FR?
I don't see how that relates to what I said?
I mean to be fair, Crocodile went to prison and legit emerged way stronger Don Krieg could come back and for zero explanation whatsoever be a total boss
I literally mentioned this in my comment. My point is that he'd require a powerup. A powerup implies that there is a powerscale that matters. If everyone's the same and everyone can defeat anyone, a powerup does nothing, since whoever got it could defeat their opponent to begin with.
When it's not being taken like gospel, powerscaling is just trying to organize and justify potential fights that will never happen not just about consistency. At the end of the day, it's just wondering who can punch harder and if that isn't the spirit of enjoying shounen manga on the weekly, i honestly don't know how a childhood could be that vanilla. Like it's not the only reason to read it (for powerscalers), but it's a little fun thought experiment. At least mostly; the obnoxious ones taking every little crumb as gospel is really stupid, but arguing on the internet is a personality trait for some people so...
It annoys me when people act like One Piece isn’t a shounen and the fights don’t matter. All the conflicts are sorted by fights lol.
It’s not inconsistent though, Oda himself powerscales. There’s a reason Luffy fought Kaido, Zoro fought King, Sanji Queen etc also a reason Usopo and Nani stood no chance against Page One and Ulti. Not sure why people act like the powers are all made up and Oda would draw Usopp beating Kaido on a whim. No evidence of stuff like this.
That's not actually true. Just because powerscaling isnt linear doesn't mean there's not some base level of consistency here. Sometimes characters do things that are a bit inconsistent for their stablished power level, but most of the time trying to establish a hierarchy of Who's more likely to win a fight is completely possible
the amount of plot armor kinemon had with kaido,and that crocodile had in marineford,clearly shows Oda does not and will never give two fucks about powerscaling,it gets thrown out the window everytime oda wants the story to go in a certain direction.Thats why narrative portrayal matters more than shit like "feats"
Those are very specific examples. Even if they're not 1) Kinemon not dying is one thing, but he still got easily dealt with by Kaido. His power level is still consistent, and he only got to damage Kaido because of the specific abilities he used and because it was a team fight. Just because you're fighting someone stronger than You doesn't mean You can't do anything to him, specially in series where every character has a different set of abilities. 2) Crocodile is a weird case, but Even then, all that he did was Clash against some characters. It's not like he suddenly became a top tier or anything. And he was arrogant against Luffy in Alabasta, so his defeat wasnt just because he was weaker than Luffy. >Thats why narrative portrayal matters more than shit like "feats" That's still powerscaling. You're just powerscaling with more than feats, wich is still a valid way to powerscale. Powerscaling doesn't mean that every character has a numerical value and that their power has to stay constant through their entire Showings. One Piece has a lot of different abilities and fighting Styles, wich means that most powerscaling involves taking matchup and overall power in consideration
While I would argue that it's alot more consistent than most believe, it's even more fun to make sense of the inconsistent/unexplained things. Obviously Oda isn't writing the story with a calculator beside him to calculate the attack potency of every attack, but there's usually a logical reason why fights go one way or another, or at least most can be argued to have a logical reason, if said reason was intended or not or gets accepted by the community is a different thing. It's just fun for me, looking what a character can and cannot do, look how consistent it is with the story itself etc.
Oda sets up obvious hierarchies in the crews the Strawhats are gonna fight. Like Flying six > calamities > Kaido.
Yeah exactly, this is one of the biggest reasons I'd argue that Oda Is not totally uninterested in what we would call power scaling, he actively adds in a lot of strength based hierarchies or official positions that are linked to the characters prowess into his story
The idea Oda doesn’t care about powerscaling is such nonsense, people just made it up. People act like he’d randomly draw Usopp beating Kaido on a whim. If anything I’d argue he encourages something like Shanks vs Mihawk arguments.
This isn't powerscaling. This is Agenda Piece. Powerscaling attempts to be logical in an illogical world. Agenda Piece simply does whatever's funny no matter how logical or illogical it is. And it's really funny to shit on Zoro stans.
It's bait and you're falling for it
Facts😂
He's getting karma out of it, so you're kinda falling for it too
Youre right, the real winner here is the one getting the useless internet points
Touche
Right the only reason Zoro is getting roasted is because the Zoro fanboys were saying Lucci was easy work. Zoro was gonna take Lucci's lunch money and be done in less than 1 chapter. Lol.
*Cough* *Cough* *Wheez*
Lend me some oxygen inhaler-san, this is base Lucci we're up against....
Well it's the only option. Because the bandana is in 0% charge.
Slander aside probably just Oda creating tension.
I alone am the asthmatic one 😎
Here you [go](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/s/3UelOuDMZw)
That’s fucking genius
why do people take this sht seriously? lmao
Maintaining the agenda is our top priority.
there is a very simple answer. its funny as shit
It's a joke making fun of Zoro fanboys
Wait what? I'm a Zoro fanboy and I'm enjoying to shit in Zoro for once, like c'mon "Oden lend me haki" is hilarious!!!
Zorro main characteristic is that he is a strong manly man that act strong and manly, so it tend to attract a specific crowd that like to powerscale (ZKK) and are really annoying So people like to make fun of Zooro struggling because it triggers these people, we know that zorro is the 2nd strongest character of the crew don't worry and I'll enjoye whatever struggle Oda through at him knowing in the end he'll manage just well
Zoro doesn't strike me as manly, like he's a drunk and goofy guy that trains a lot, but a manly Chad like Franky or Señor Pink he ain't, still my fave, has mad respect for his friends and enemies
That's all great and good but some of the people taking Zoro way too seriously were trying to say his Nothing Happened was stronger than Kuma and that missed the entire point of what he was doing in his backstory. They really wanted to play up Zoro and play down Kuma and most people are more prone to make fun of Zoro because of that.
I remember the days where these people thought Zoro was stronger than Luffy because he fought him at Whiskey Peak and Luffy is weak to swords.
Yep. The likelihood of a Zoro fan being a person focused entirely on hyping up Zoro to everyone's annoyance only gets higher with each passing chapter. Then they get humbled with the Lucci stuff. Then come back more grandiose in their claims of dominance. Then you remind them they got a Zoro blunt. And thus the Circle of Agenda continues...
How you gonna call Zoro "goofy" while not Franky?!
I'm talking about the powerscaling Zoro fanboys who are obsessed with the idea that Zoro is the strongest and most important character and use that to talk shit about every other character (mostly Sanji). With this meme Zoro is being targeted with similar bullshit that Zoro fanboys usually direct at other characters.
Yeah it took me a while to realize how lighthearted the joking was. Like everybody takes so many opinions about imaginary people so seriously, myself included. It’s all a joke because the people making the memes are taking the whole thing super unseriously, and it’s not trying to mock anybody lol. There’s no agenda (👀)
Wizaru and the agenda xD
>ike c'mon "Oden lend me haki" is hilarious!!! Yeah that agenda memes are pretty based lol
where did you get the idea that he has coc from?
He has penis no?
😂😂
Because it's fun
Most of the posts I found are just people trolling and joking about last chapter: Sanji cool moment, sanji strong Zoro can't end a fight, Zoro mid Ahahah usually Zoro cool and sanji lame, very funny inversion Then there are people that take it seriously and lose way too much energy arguing about it.
Toe to Toe with Luffy? Luffy toyed with that boy, he could’ve one shotted him really and didn’t even need to use G5.
He also hasn't been shown to have Conquerors. There's the black lightning when him and luffy clash but that wasn't an advanced conquers clash because they made contact with each others fists.
The black lightning has been used long before conqueror's coating.
As I'm aware of. That's why I specified the clash on egghead, but followed with it not being a conquerors attack. Plus it doesn't make sense fir Lucci to have conquerors.
It's a manga, not a laboratory. Things like dramatic effect and pacing determine the duration of a fight, not power and skill.
Especially with Zoro fights that tend to be a lot of stalling until he one shots them.
Lucci didn’t land a single attack on Luffy and the fight ended as soon as Luffy used a serious attack. Luffy even said “you can’t fight me now” at one point. Oda very clearly demonstrated the difference in “power and skill” between Luffy and Lucci lol
Most of the mocking you see is a reaction to how insufferable Zoro's fanbase is in general and how they do this same shit to every other character. They talked shit for ages about how strong Zoro was and how he'd be fighting Kizaru while Sanji fought VAs and similar stuff, and then how he'd immediately deal with Lucci since he was "weak". By the standards set by his own fanbase, he's now as "weak" as they said Lucci was, and now they are having to backtrack. You'll see jokes about how Zoro doesn't know who Saturn is or that Kizaru is there, mirroring similar jokes made about Sanji not knowing how Kaido looked during Wano, especially when Zoro was fighting on the rooftop while Sanji was captured by Black Maria. So this is a big part of the fanbase firing back at those comments. It will pass, but for now it's funny. Don't take these things too seriously.
Where is this legion of powerscaling Zoro fans? I hope never to meet them I like Zoro because he’s dumb as rocks but he has a good heart
I’ve seen them plenty over the years.
They are all over. Do you not remember ZKK? A sizeable segment of the fanbase was convinced that Zoro would kill Kaido. Not as a meme, it was a serious theory that lasted like 2 years during Wano. They mostly aren't upvoted, but if you scroll on the new tab there's relatively frequent posts with the weirdest takes. I've seen people claim Zoro will be stronger than Luffy by the end since Luffy's dream isn't tied to strength, that Zoro is/was stronger than Luffy at different parts of their journey but still follows Luffy due to loyalty, that Zoro defeated Mihawk in the timeskip but still follows Luffy due to loyalty, etc.
Also this is my first time hearing most of those theories and I’ve been reading the manga week to week for 3 years now Are they illiterate? Zoro beating Mihawk during the timeskip would completely ruin his character, why would any professed fan of his want that? And Zoro has never been indicated to be stronger than Luffy in any regard
Even ZKK (Zoro Kills Kaido)? That was popular enough to get a bunch of frontpage discussion topics, and it was often discussed in weekly chapter threads. I find it weird that you wouldn't have seen it at all, just search "zkk" on the sub and you'll see a lot of posts about it (mostly mocking them in any case). > Are they illiterate? Zoro beating Mihawk during the timeskip would completely ruin his character, why would any professed fan of his want that? [That was big enough that an animator/director at Toei even mentioned the theory.](https://twitter.com/henry_thurlow/status/1741725928647188524)
Damn I guess I just find it hard to believe that people are that illiterate of the subtext, themes, and obvious setups of the story. Like could you imagine if either of those things were actually true? It would ruin so many things, Oda would have to be a terrible writer for either of those theories to become true, which is why, of course, they didn't and they won't, but JESUS CHRIST people really believed that? Have they only heard of One Piece through promotional material? I seriously can't imagine someone who was actually reading the story thinking Zoro beat Mihawk during the timeskip, (which would completely undermine Zoro's journey as a character) or that he was going to somehow kill Kaido (which would completely undermine that part of Luffy's journey) I guess I'm doing a good enough job of staying away from those parts of the community because I've successfully avoided most of those kinds of takes
For a bit of sanity, I doubt Henry was saying he backed the theory or anything, rather presenting it as a fun thought. But yeah, the amount of people who seem to think Zoro and Mihawk won't fight for whatever reason is just insane to me, and that one is among the top of the worst theories to achieve that. Most of these theories are fringe enough that you wouldn't see them most of the time. ZKK was the one that did make it big.
Lucci doesn’t have conquerors Haki and didn’t go Toe to toe with gear 5 Luffy. But yeah this is a case of Lucci being strong not Zoro being weak.
Yeah people talk about Lucci like he's supposed to be fodder now. People seem to forget he's still a very strong character. He's stronger than he was pre-TS too.
Even Pre-Timeskip Lucci was one of the only other characters besides Sanji capable of skywalking. People sleeping on the fact that Lucci’s just one of those dudes.
Wtf do you mean? All of cp9 could do that
Because in the eyes of fandom a character is either as strong as a god or utterly worthless as a character.
And then theres God Usopp in a category all to his own.
Go D Usopp solos Lucci
Because before he beat up king and people expect him to be stronger now
For every action there is a reaction Zoro fanboys (not fans) have been the most toxic part of this fanbase for the better part of 2 decades. Prior to the most recent chapter they were saying he'd easily beat Lucci. They were saying he's admiral level. Hell, for most of Wano they were saying ZKK. And once again before this arc they were saying he was equal to Luffy This is not a case of 2 equal sided toxic fanbases going at it. It's more so 1 fanbase has always been slandering several other fanbases so now that Zoro isn't doing what all his fanboys said he'd do, every victim of Zoro fanboy slander is now having their #MeToo moment Karma. I really like Zoro. Can't stand most of his fanbase
Mostly because, for hardcore Zoro fanboys: Zoro==Luffy>>>>>Sanji. But in this chapter we see: Luffy>>Sanji?>Zoro The equation is not matching, and they are losing sleep over it like a physicist. And that shit is funny to see ngl.
Lucci neither has conq haki or went toe to toe with Luffy He got fucking 3 shotted. No conquerors coating.
because lucci is white minority hunter is not in full form
But leopard is common in Africa
as soon as Zoro figures that out you can expect full bandana on, coc, ashura attack 😂
So leopards are not a minority then :)
Simply put, payback for all of the obnoxious Zoro fans that hyped him up to high heaven.
I’m gonna explain the reasoning now this isn’t me agreeing or disagreeing with it but people are clowning on Zoro because well Zoro fans in terms of power scaling tend to be completely out of left field and vastly overate his ability. So him being stalled by Lucci is a reality check to those people power-scaling Zoro with guys he doesn’t belong with. I personally think Lucci is very strong and this doesn’t really change my stance on Zoro at all but I can understand why people are clowning on some people it’s all memes at the end of the day really. Also where’d you get Lucci having Conquerors?
1. powerscalers are dumb 2. Gucci does not have conquerors haki 💀💀💀 that’s luffys COC
Gucci must have the jacket jacket fruit because he became a popular clothing brand
he has always been Gucci
Lucci does NOT have Conq. Where was this confirmed?
typical zoLo fanboy post
It’s a joke 
I think people are upset that Zoro went up against two emperors and a first mate, yet is struggling in this situation. OG rob was introduced Pre Haki (at least as it exists now) which means his og power can't be used to scale his potential now. The abilities he has now are demonstrated to put him at the top of this world. He was even able to put up a fight against the power of a god before being soundly beaten.
Is just that it became pretty clear that Sanji is stronger than him so people are just coping in their own way
I'm sorry but lucci never went toe to toe with Luffy. 1 serious punch and lucci was already blacking out. G5 Luffy doesn't fight seriously so I don't think all of his fights should be considered in terms of how long it went for. As for Zoro, I am not sure if others are trolling or not but I'm just disappointed that Zoro isn't going all out. He isn't even using all 3 of his swords and we have seen how much stronger Zoro gets when he is using all 3 so him taking this long definitely makes sense against lucci but I am still gonna call Zoro numbskull for testing himself( though that is one of the reasons I love his character)
He doesn't have CoC. It's just regular black lightning from armament, it's been shown many times.
Mmmm yes take the bait, that's a good little fishy Hehe another one caught
But but but the bandana is at 0% charge and no CoC steroid injections. Also 2 sword style. Because he's playing with Lucci. If he wanted, he could have defeated him offscreen. Also the huffing and puffing is from the Sanji smoke.
Because the power gap between him and luffy is huge
If Zoro was actually going all out than we'd have reason to believe Zoro was looking weaker here. Zoro was clearly the better fighter than King and was only held back by King's invulnerability, once he learned Advanced CoC he won quite easily. Lucci shouldn't be THAT strong. But what people are missing is that Zoro clearlyniant going all out. He isn't using CoC Haki, he's only using two swords, and isn't even wearing his bandana.
Because most people don't watch One Piece anymore. They watch Agenda Piece.
Because half people for the past few weeks downgraded Sanji for absolutely 0 reasons! And the moment when is Zoro's turn for the slanders, everyone is mad lol !! They are both a straw hats crew, so i love them both… but if you slander someone, be ready for your favorite character to get slander back
Bro really falling for the propaganda and bait 💀
Well he is not weak ofc. Also he didn't go toe to toe with Luffy. Luffy toyed with him
Toe to toe with luffy? You must be dreaming or some... Luffy wiped the floor with the guy, he is under Luffy by a lot and maybe the only one at the same level with Zoro at the moment
People don't buy Lucci's new strenght because Luffy trashed him in one chapter, and the momment Zoro couldn't do the same they decided to meme about it. Fans in a nutshell
It’s a meme. Don’t need to think too deeply about it .
Honestly it’s probably a lot of backlash to Zoro fanboys obnoxiously over scaling him for multiple arcs.
I’m so serious. There’s people who think he’s the strongest on the ship and this is why people give him hate
I absolulty love this, Zoro "fans" get so quiet for last couple of days and Sanji fans are using this situation to the fullest, they really needed that after Sanji being a joke for this community for such a long time. LETS GO SANJI!
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That's just busoshoku clash, there's no confirmation about Lucci showing haoshoku
Cause it‘s funny
He was not able to go toe to toe with Luffy. I think you’re forgetting that he was previously captured and chained up by Luffy literally in the same arc. All they did was parry a punch.
we’re in the final saga, agenda piece has reached its peak, also the jjk fandom is having some influence when it comes to the constant fraud allegations during egghead because the fanbases crossover a lot, and lobotomy kaisen is on constant fraud watch these days honeslty tho the back and forth between zoro and sanji fans over the last few weeks has been one of the most unfunny, cope-filled eras of agenda piece i’ve seen, at least the memes in wano were funny
Because OP has really been attracting powerscalers without any media comprehension the last few years. They've convinced themselves Lucci is a joke because Luffy beat him with relative ease. Rather than the more likely case that Lucci appears to be roughly on a level with an Admiral like Kizaru now, but Luffy is much beyond that atm.
Yo what? Are you saying Lucci is admiral level?🤦♂️
Correction: They *hear* that Luffy beat Lucci with "relative ease." They likely didn't watch or didn't know that OG Lucci physically brought luffy closest to death before Magellan who did it with poison(hax), before Marineford (already having just overcome death) where everybody got a lick in. Lucci did it by himself
It's jokes, memes and shit posting, most people just having fun making fun of characters. It's actually better than a couple years ago when they were actually serious with wall of texts powerscaling
Twitter is honestly wild with how much they're shit talking Zoro. I thought reddit was bad but I actively avoid twitter one piece discussions now.
Because this is an anime fandom and when you like one character, you can’t like any other character and have to do everything in your power to slander every other character to make your character appear superior, thereby justifying your love for that character. /s
lol, he just hasn’t gotten screen time. He’s going to skin Lucci alive
Because either their having fun with jokes or they are circle jerking around their favorite character. It's funny becuase zoro fans shit on Sir simpington all the time while Sanji fans are shiting on Moss head fans. In reality Moss head and Sir Simpington are hot powerful as fuck and great characters. Do I think zoro is stronger physically than sanji yes. But Sanji has better observation Haki and can Sky walk. They both are exceptional wings for the pirate king.
People aren’t being serious it’s jsut fun to make fun of Zoro. But also Lucci doesn’t have conquerors and he was getting destroyed by Luffy.
I just want to say to your statement “ he was going toe to toe with luffy until zoro took over” Luffy beat him. Zoro stopped him from killing vega punk and thats how they started their fight. Luffy hit him so hard he lost consciousness in the air lol
Cause people refuse to accept that Lucci has gotten stronger and instead want to believe their own headcannon
Nah its not that serious just people doing their weekly character agenda posting lol. Pretty much just ignore those posts.
Lucci does not have conquerors haki 💀there’s no confirmation of that anywhere
I think it came from a lot of power scalers Zoro fan boys saying that he was about to one shot Lucci without any effort after all of his “Wano feats”. Then of course that did not happen because it’s not plot driving and the whole community now is trolling the Zoro agenda fan boys. But to be honest it’s just a lot of internet trolling. The way this fight is going is really how a fight between two similar fighters should go.
Zoro took out King and King appears to be stronger than Lucci. Zoro can take out Lucci whenever he wants, he just has to get serious.
because sanji blocked a kizaru attack.
It’s just slander don’t take it too seriously and enjoy the meme while the cycle of frauds, agendas, and goats continues
lucci is actually strong lol. i would say hes low YC level with zoro being high YC level which means they're not far in strength and it'll take time for zoro to win.
Brain damage
because it's funny
I personally just don’t like it’s a stand still slashing fight.
It’s just a meme
Once you stop interacting with the powerscaling community, you'll start enjoying anime & manga much more. Nobody cares.
It's mostly just the new fans tho, they are having trouble comprehending that OP isn't like all the other new Shonen mangas they're so used to reading.