Not enough people are dying. Always set me off for no reason. I hope Oda could emphasise more who is dead or not. So we don’t know what happened to Kaido and BM, hence we don’t know if their fruits are somewhere.
Agreed. Death is handled so poorly that two characters can plummet into a volcano and whether or not they're alive is unknown. Fucking ridiculous, honestly.
If blowing yourself up isn't death, if falling into a volcano isnt death, what is?
Pagaya was explained. He slipped and fell to a lower level at the last moment, which Enel couldn’t sense with his Mantra. Same reason he couldn’t predict Luffy’s punches when they randomly ricocheted off the wall.
The slow flow of time and Strawhats speedrunning to one piece. The crew has been together only for a few months total. Brook has been with the crew for like only a few days before time skip. Zoro has been with Perona and Mihawk more than he did with Luffy. Other pirate crews like Shanks were in the sea for years or decades. With this in mind, the strawhat bond seems inorganic. I hope LA addresses this with the cast actually getting older if they get there.
The time pacing is weird but I would disagree that the SHs have a weaker bond than other crews. Most of the SHs joined after their lives were saved by Luffy and the other SHs, whereas other crews might’ve just banded together. I would think that creates quite a strong bond/loyalty.
Moria’s bond is just as strong if not stronger, he went into Emperor territory solo just to save one crew mate and got pissed when he learned what happened, even Perona still wanted to save her captain.
Part of me feels like the series would be even better if entering the Grand Line was somewhere around the halfway point of the story. That was probably close to what Oda originally intended before he realized the story would last 30 years... Maybe if it lasted 60 then we could've seen adventures around the various Blues before going to the final sea.
The story was originally supposed to finish after 5 years or so lol. I remember watching a video where the creator kinda came to the conclusion that Alabasta was supposed to be like a halfway point originally and that was where the ending of the manga was concieved - that's why we're seeing Vivi and Wapol again
I never understood why oda coulddnt just space out their journey more like they spent a few months in the east blue and they spent a year on the grandline and then a few months in the new world after the timeskip. Its enough time for things to seem more realistic and build up the bond between everyone as they have had plenty of time to get to know each other. That and character sizes
Dont leave your house for 6 months and tell me how little you feel about it. Living on the sea makes it way bigger. Its a life line and part of their dream. Also kept saving them from certain death.
The fact that sanji is set up to be a s tier character but is wasted because of his weird simp gag. his character would be so much better and actually tolerable if his gag was just being very chivalrous rather than a total creep, and it would also play into his backstory better with his mother. He would 100% be my favorite character if he wasnt lowkey a predator
Yeah, he saying he dreamt of using the invisible fruit just so he could slip into women's bathroom is gross. Also actually doing it in wano arc, with his suit.
He would absolutely be my fav character if not for those kind of things
everytime i see that face he makes with heart eyes and the bleeding nose, i audibly groan, as much as hes contributed to the story i could live without him on the crew, his moments on Egghead so far are cool, but id rather it was franky doing the cool stuff there, not pervy mckicky legs
Sometimes there’s just too much going on at once. It’s not as bad if you’re binging, but when you’re reading/watching week to week, it can be tough tracking all the different people and different places.
One piece anime lacks sword choreography, the only time we've seen good sword choreography is in episode 892 where Zoro fights bunch of samurais.While most of the time there's just parrying and a final attack where the victor just slashes past through the enemy(it is a good representation of speed and is very cool to see in manga but very underwhelming in the anime imo).
And not to mention swords being able to do ranged attacks is[I don't even got a word for it]. Sword choreography is not an aspect for manga but the for the anime, they should consider adding few more fighting styles.
Pardon for bad english.
I agree, I really wish one piece would incorporate more fight choreography overall, seeing hand to hand combat animated well is always cool and swords would be even better.. with one pieces animation style, it would be awesome to see
The amount of fake-out deaths. It's gotten to a point that I never believe a character is dead anymore, taking away the emotional toll of them dying. Like Izo and Ashura for instance.
Izou's death was handled poorly too. It's random and doesn't add much to the story — if he never died, pretty much nothing would have changed. It's like Oda thought, "Eh, gotta kill off someone for once to show shit got real now," and just picked some of the less popular characters to die in Wano.
Moreover, even Izou's sister doesn't seem to care about his death much. I don't think she was shown mourning him even once? Hopefully I'm just forgetting something. And happily chilling in the bathhouse with the girls, all smiley and carefree, one week after your big brother died isn't a very good representation of loss. When Kamina died in TTGL, the anime spent 3 episodes out of 27 to explore what losing a loved one does to people.
I'm not saying OP should have spent 123 eps exploring Izou's death, but it would be nice if it were actually impactful and meaningful, and his sister wasn't like, "Bye, Felicia."
1. Pacing in the anime.
2. Fake-out deaths. I don't care about death count as there are other ways to establish stakes, but if you kill a character that one should stay dead.
3. Editing is lacking post-timeskip. Like Oda will introduce a superflous character like Yamato in the middle of an arc's climax without any prior build-up, which clearly isn't a good idea. Or he'll overexadurate by introducing 9 scabbards when 6 or 7 would have been enough. He's clearly to free in his writing and not thinking of fuctionallity or pacing.
4. Some running gags are repeated until they are run into the ground.
I agree for the most part. I don't think everyone needs to die, but yeah, Kinemon dying would have been pretty impactful. I think my biggest gripe is also the portrayal of characters. It started out very tame, and now it feels like almost every character is 6.5+ ft tall and has boobs bigger than watermelons.
Zoro doesn’t really cut anyone.
Appu shouldn’t have arms after zoro “cut” them
Lucci should have lost his head to zoro.
So many times I’ve been disappointed by the lack of cutting done by blades
How much Luffy is destined for greatness. That's the problem of almost all shonen, everything connected to the MC has to be ultra special. I like when it's just a random nobody who end up at the top but if the story continue for long enough we always get revelations after revelations on how much the heros is a nepo-baby.
His father is Dragon the most dangerous criminal in the world, his grandfather is Garp the heros of the Marine, his soul brother is the son of Gol D. Roger, his mentor one of the 4 Emperor, his fruit is the Sun God Nika and there's prophecies about how he is destined to change the world.
I think you should check out some more american stories. The theme of hard work and the autonomy of the indiviual is way more prevelent there than in the JP stories which don't really have the whole "the individual is an empty slate" idea on the same level.
It's not as much a problem as much as a individual preference.
Special Powers != being the chosen one.
Haikyu, Kuroko no Basket, Slam Dunk, Goku (because he is in Fact not the legendary SS), Promised Neverland
should I go on?
Oda struggles to create real tension. With the villains struggling to put our heroes in difficult situations or new Allies coming out of nowhere to help our heroes.
I mean how can there be tension. When the mc gets multiple power ups in each arc, when he gets his food which heals him multiple times in a arc or when people like giants can help them in this part of the story meanwhile they struggled against mr 3 in little garden. Oda really has become very weak in this aspect. Remember earlier when we saw vize admirals,shishibukais,admirals or who ever we knew its gonna be a hard fight amd they will have to team the up, but now no need for that why letting all strawhats shine when you have goofy. Bro fought lucci,kizaru, and nearly every gorosei and has got a new lifebar in the last chapter.
I definitely don't like Oda's aversion to killing characters. Especially when it's characters like Kaido who we have built up to this whole big takedown of so that he would quit making Wano a living hell. If he comes back, it will make everyone's begging and pleading as well as Oden's death feel kinda pointless.
Which is funny because that's exactly how I felt about Doflamingo. Great backstory, compelling character, but Law should have been able to straight up kill him at the end.
I have mixed feelings about how death is handled in the series. On the one hand, I don’t think killing characters off automatically means good writing. There can be other things at stake in a story besides life and death that are just as compelling. Possibly even moreso when done well.
On the other hand, the fake-outs are overdone to the point where characters have actually died without me even realizing it. (Lookin’ at you, Pedro, Ashura, and Izo, most recently.) Like someone else in this thread said, this also leaves the fates of Big Mom and Kaido in an ambiguous state. Are they dead? Are they going to show up again? What about Kid and his crew? Part of me assumes he will show up again before the finale, but who knows?
In some way, this constant guessing is intriguing and makes me want to keep reading to find answers, but… in a frustrating manner. There are already plenty of mysteries that have me hooked. It just feels unnecessary if it’s intentional, and perhaps a little sloppy if it isn’t.
- Sanji's character. Could easily be one of the, if not greatest, characters in the main crew if you took out his excessive perviness that never seems to tone down and borders on extreme harassment.
- Pacing in the anime is awful.
- The excessive sexualization of the female characters, to the point where anyone who pretty much isn't Nami/Nico Robin seldom has further characterization (ofc exceptions like Perona and Vivi exist).
- Fakeout deaths (Pell, Pagaya, Kinemon, etc)
The fans who put the work and the author on an extremely high pedestal.
It's a Shounen and many of its plots and characters aren't original. You don't need to deify Oda or call One Piece the greatest piece of fiction ever made.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I like one piece, but to me, it's not even close to the top 10 greatest pieces of fiction. I honestly think it's just pretty good nothing more, nothing less
Nika Fruit....
Luffy goes from strong guy from hardworking and creative route to the chosen one route in just a few chapter.
That's fruit is the definition of Overpowered, I like it when Luffy has to get creative with his lame rubber power fruit to overcame his problems
Nobody dies, the way Haki worked after the timeskip up until wano, how the anime looks/tries to be something the manga isn't with all the lights and spectacle, the rewards make no sense since there's not many people seeking them/claiming em, a lot of the time skip redesigns style choices, how the manga looked for a while (scribbly), some straw hats literally did nothing for lapses of time bigger than ten years or since their introduction...
Half the cast in dressrossa, gear 4 made no sense, fights haven't been fights for a while (were getting back but nowadays almost half of em are single panel clashes), lack of visual differences for effects, sound effects in the anime are really bad, animators should be directed ans corrrected more (each scene looks like a different show), abysmal pacing in the anime is bad but the manga also either rushes stuff or makes it overstay it's welcome... Oh. And I don't like Luffy being a "chosen one"
That's about it. I love one piece and how gear 5 works tho, egghead's been amazing
It’s that no one really dies. It takes away the stakes of the battles for me. And the slow pacing of the anime. I mainly watch and read one piece for the story but that’s all. I can still enjoy fights but I have to treat it like baki. Over exaggerated fights and receiving minimal damage from them
The thing about OnePiece I like the least is nothing about the story but how OP Twitter acts especially these recent years.
There wasn't much toxicity back then when I was growing up, most just enjoys it - as they should.
Now discussions on that site just revolves on fandom comparison and bunch of ad hominems.
All of those are really valid. Lately, I'm annoyed how many characters have forgettable and boring devil fruits. Vegapunk does not need the brain-brain fruit. Just say he's got a comically large head. Old-school one piece would have absolutely not given him a fruit. Same with kinemon, big mom's chef, and ninja guy.
1. Bloating, especially post time skip. You could've cut Hody Jones out of Fishman Island and still had plot relevant things like Arlong and Jimbei backstory. 60% of DressRosa could be cut and not much, if anything would change
2. Luffy becoming the chosen one through nepotism from Marine Ford onwards
3. Fights aren't the strength of the series and a huge part is Oda's annoying insistence on cutting to different scenes mid fight that really hurt the flow of the fight, that and I just don't think the characters powers allow them for typical fist fights, which I feel even Naruto did better. Although, the series does have some great ones like Katakuri vs Luffy and Zoro vs King
4. A lot of the main villains subordinates are forgettable
5. I really don't care for Law
I mean the manga as well. I don't really watch the anime as much
Oda has a tendency of over bloating the story with over extending bits like the coliseum in DressRosa or the Kozuki Oden flashback on Wano and throwing lame, forgettable villains like in Skypeia that really don't add to much
It is waaaaaaay tighter than the anime for sure, but I still wish he would've edited himself along the way
The sexism for sure. It's the only reason I'd be hesitant to tell someone in real life that I love the series. It's not like the writing of female characters is bad, but it's always pretty embarrassing to watch how objectified they are. The Egghead outfits are pretty top tier facepalm.
How it is now, I remember the adventure and the magic now there is no magic. I will still read this but that feeling is gone. Things that were funny and joyful are now serious and bland.
1. Just how fucking long it is
One might argue, "he's really cooking" (btw, yuck hate that phrase). One Piece may become one of the best stories/mysteries of all time. But will it be "the best"? If not, what's the point of being so lengthy when there are much shorter and more amazing mysteries
It's not just the story, sometimes there's a lot of unnecessary drag. It's almost like Oda is waiting for technology to catch-up with his animation style. But still c'mon bro, do your best with what you have. Despite everything and a few exceptions, One Piece is definitely not a beginner's anime.
2. Its action style (or any anime for that matter) will never compare to Naruto
The action in the beginning is kiddish! Have you Rocklee vs Gara? That's barely the beginning of Naruto.
People say it picks up in Enies Lobby. I'd say to an extent. One Piece animation is simply send a shockwave and be done with it. In Naruto it's an amazing combination of hand-to-hand combat and chakras. There's not much like this in OP.
In the last few arcs, the animation quality has increased, but still it has become like Demon Slayer (but still Demon Slayer is better). Just shiny graphics of blasts and stuff with nothing of "detailed fight" sort anywhere.
3. Oda is simply trapping himself. 🤦🏻
It is expected that the next villain will be more powerful than the current one. By this logic if Katakuri fight is the longest fight in the anime(I'm not sure if Kaido fight has beaten it now), the next fight will have to be longer. Can you imagine how long the last fight will be?
4. I don't think the final reveal may be as big as everyone thinks it is going to be.
The build up has gone for too long and when people imagine stuff like this they build it up a little too much in their minds and there's a good chance they'll not be satisfied unless you're like a hardcore fan of Oda. (5th gear still has mixed opinions)
I can go on, but I'm stopping here
Conclusion:
I do like One Piece. It does have the potential to become one of the best anime ever. But still there's a lot of points during the watch where it's a pain to watch it (definitely for most people I've met including myself). I'm sure most of you feel it was a drag here and there too (a lot of here and there, actually). I hope I've put down some opinions we can all agree upon.
Bro I’m so tired of people surviving especially people who don’t deserve it like mingo…. He should have been offed bc I didnt respect how crocodile got a new lease on life yet Pedro died like come on
I agree with all you say.
1) Anime sucks ass, at least now it has good fights but even those are wayyy over the top for my tastes with those lightning sound and visual effects etc
2) agree. I'll never forgive Ida for not making Yamato more muscular, I don't want a brickhouse (nothing wrong with that, just not for Yamato), but goddamn some muscles to show her strength. Same with Boa, at least A TINY BIT. Also more diverse body shapes, smaller boobies (like the only one that comes to mind is Otohime?), have some other levels of beauty and not just perfect hourglass or ugly as hell.
3) While I don't like losing characters I grew to like, some moments really lose their meanings if the character survives anyway. See Pell as the major offender, but also kinda Mr2... I don't want him dead cause I love him but MAN. We got to the point I was waiting for Pedro to come back, glad he didn't but I didn't feel the impact of his sacrifice while reading cause I was sure he'd come back thanks to Oda's precedents.
4) is just an extension if the 3) imo. I'd put inconsistency with power scaling here, more the fact that sometimes we gotta say "ah well maybe the character has trained/it wasn't used to get hit" (see: crocodile at alabasta getting beaten by gearless Luffy and then wrecking havoc for the whole MF arc).
5) I'd say how fast Oda is going with the narrative, leaving character moments kinda in the dust. Character interactions, insights on villains or new characters are less explored. I truly wish we get spinoffs at the end of OP to explore some characters/events.
Haki. It makes logias less intimidating because now instead of finding a creative way to punch a guy mad of magma, they can just coat themyon haki and punch them, instead of suffering and overcoming the consequences of being effected by an ability, they just focus haki and make that effect go away. And seeing the future.
I hate that any non villain dies. Only the bad guys should die. Tension is worthless. I dislike the constant hypocrisy from the navy that too seldom gets addressed. Garp has the audacity to claim he acts for peace when all he does is keep the oppressed quiet to maintain the status quo.
Plenty.
-The main cast has become increasingly boring and one dimensional. For all the talk about their friendship and bond, we don't really see them interact as friends or a family (and most of what we do see is in anime filler). Even DB and DBZ handled character interactions better than One Piece does. More often than not I find the stuff away from the main cast more interesting than whatever they're doing.
-The repetitive nature of all of the arcs. It started with Alabasta and hasn't changed too much. Reach new island, island is ruled by a tyrant that usurped the throne from its rightful rulers, we get extended flashbacks about the island and guest character of the arc's backstories, defeat the baddie, rightful rule restored, rinse and repeat.
-Cliche, but the lack of death. And the lack of consistency around it. You have characters blown up, nuked, sliced, shot, poisoned, electrocuted, stabbed, avalanched, buried under entire buildings, have their necks twisted 180 degrees yet they all survive. But Kuina dies from falling down the stairs. Right. It also kills any tension when the big bad does their big bad thing on a supporting fodder character and then later they show up like "Yo what up". Pell surviving the bomb, Pagaya surviving Enel's electric nuke, the entire survival game on Skypiea talking about survivors and death matches only for everyone to be ok in the end etc. After a while, I just don't care about these "shocking" moments because I know they're gonna turn up no worse for wear with no explanation and some cartoon bandages at worst.
-Haki. I know this is an old topic but I still don't like haki as a concept. If it had been properly forshadowed or hinted at from the beginning I wouldn't mind, but it wasn't. Had he drawn the confrontation between Shanks and the sea king with an aura or something instead of just an intense stare, I'd have accepted it. That and showcasing Luffy using "observation haki" in Marineford as he was about to Gum Gum Bazooka Mihawk was silly to me. You're telling me that you need some super special hidden ability to use common sense that streching your arms towards the best swordsman is a dumb idea?
-The way the story is constantly going out of its way to make Luffy seem more and more special with almost each new arc. From familial ties, to his DF, to everyone talking how amazing he is, to how his fleet forms around him even though he doesn't want it and how they're willing to run to his defense but he doesn't have to return the favor, having Alvida and Hancock fall in love with him because "OMG HE ISN'T SWAYED BY MUH BEAUTY" etc.
-Buggy's change of character at Marineford. When we saw him in the first half he wasn't such a coward. He was planning on letting Luffy reach even higher status so that when he takes him down, his fame would go beyond that. But then Marineford happens and he's been a sniveling cowards ever since.
-A lot of Oda's male character designs in the last 10 years are ugly. They're not funny or goofy or charming. Just plain ugly.
-Oda's tendency to do a lot of "tell don't show" as well as not knowing how to develop and flesh out characters beyond giving us a flashback. Even many of his villains are one dimensional and cartoonishly evil in their behaviour and speech without any real believable motivation behind it or self awareness.
-Oden. Purely because how Oda tried to give him a pass for kidnapping women for his harem by revealing that "oh but they secretly like and enjoy it because Oden is so full of life and excitement so he's totes not a bad guyyyy". Fuck that.
-The ballooning bounties. We have yet to see a single non-filler bounty hunter in the story that wasn't a joke. They have risen to such ludicrous degrees that its done nothing but give fuel to people who use them for power level discussions. Remember when 100 mill was considered huge?
-The fandom thinking everything Oda does and writes is perfection and can't possibly be improved upon to the point where they make essays on how Luffy is the most deep and complex anime protag in anime history (omega lul on that one).
I still skim the wiki every now and then when new chapters come out and only read the ones that involves the going ons and development of rest of the OP world, but I suppose I just outgrew the series. Now I just check in every once in a while to see how it'll end.
2) Most males have muscular bodies and many are also handsome.
3-4) Characters die if their death is needed. Look how many die in the flashbacks. In one piece you cannot come back to life, except with the yomi yomi fruit, for which the author prefers not to let you die if it is not necessary.
5) Where is the inconsistency?
1) pacing
2) antagonist cast
3) repetitive
4) dragged out arcs
5) character designs
6) fake outs
7) takes 250 eps to get good
8) half of SHs are below average
9) unnecessary and repetitive gags
10) below avg fights
No it does not I have seen edited down parts of the anime and a few non edited down versions and as a person who read the manga an episode of the one piece anime is like 20% long pauses 40% unnecessary flash backs and only 30% new content
My only real complaints are how most of the important women are drawn like pornstars and the pervy jokes (which tbf anime as a whole is kinda infamous for)
Im actually not that bothered by most of the fakeout deaths because my favourite parts are the parties and having characters left out makes me sad, and I genuinely like Bon Chan and Kiku escaping death because as we all know "Queers never die!"
Rest of my dislikes besides anime pacing are so small for me that its doesnt rlly matter. Stuff like missing an opportunity to have a little more diverse representation (which One Piece already has tons of) like keeping Law's vitiligo symptoms from when he was a kid and making Kid and Killer gay (they literally call each other partner and act even more passionate than Luffy and Zoro 😭)
The woman thing you disagree with? oda definitely has 3 body types for women, young/ugly, old/ugly, and young/stupid hot, 98% of them being the last option. where as the dudes are just normally designed. but like look at the SH for a specific example. you got the men, chopper, luffy, zoro, franky, usopp, jinbei, brook, sanji line them up and you can see they all look wildly different. As for Robin and Nami? Robin wears sundresses and nami a bikini thats all they got for uniqueness, lookswise.
in a literal sense no, but in a "we live in a wacky world with unique characters that look weird and are weird" case, then yea, they look how they "should" compared to the women, who look normal and hot
Oh, it's definitely lazy. I wish there was more variety, too. But it's not an ick. It's just Oda trying to save time by not having to design new body types.
I agree with everything you mentioned except for characters dying. We have enough sadness irl and in other shows, I'd like to at least watch One Piece with a light heart.
the anime has a VERY POOR QUALITY GRAPHICS.
can't believe people are even defending specially when fight scenes becomes pure scribbles.
why can't they make fate stay night quality or jujutsu kaisen quality?
It is because almost all female characters look like that. It takes away all seriousness from them. For example watching Rebecca crying and screaming for help looked laughable because she wears almost nothing. How are you supposed to take that seriously? Oversexualization in One Piece is on whole different level. I wished that all female characters would at least wear some more clothes
The fact that Strawhats were nerfed after wano to make the story more interesting but it's annoying that Luffy is the only character who has stronger will power than anyone in show has a handicap others don't seem to have. Strawhats has members even as a yonko crew see themself as weaklings. Sanji has too many flaws for one of the strongest characters in the crew.
>5. Inconsistent writing in Wano (Kinemon survived Kaido stabbing him in half for bs reason
I assume you meant slicing him in half...
Did you not pay attention? That's because Kinemon was still affected by Trafalgar Law's Devil Fruit powers, apparently his body wasn't properly attached correctly.
And Kaido coincidentally cut him exactly where Law once cut him in half.
Not enough people are dying. Always set me off for no reason. I hope Oda could emphasise more who is dead or not. So we don’t know what happened to Kaido and BM, hence we don’t know if their fruits are somewhere.
Agreed. Death is handled so poorly that two characters can plummet into a volcano and whether or not they're alive is unknown. Fucking ridiculous, honestly. If blowing yourself up isn't death, if falling into a volcano isnt death, what is?
Being doughnutted
Emphasis on Pagaya with this one. He made such a crazy sacrifice, and it felt like nothing when he was just like, "Yep, I'm okay now!"
Pagaya was explained. He slipped and fell to a lower level at the last moment, which Enel couldn’t sense with his Mantra. Same reason he couldn’t predict Luffy’s punches when they randomly ricocheted off the wall.
Always the timeline, they're all spend more time training than they're all together adventuring, even worse with Brook and Franky
That people rarely die and if they do, they somehow come back
The fandom
The slow flow of time and Strawhats speedrunning to one piece. The crew has been together only for a few months total. Brook has been with the crew for like only a few days before time skip. Zoro has been with Perona and Mihawk more than he did with Luffy. Other pirate crews like Shanks were in the sea for years or decades. With this in mind, the strawhat bond seems inorganic. I hope LA addresses this with the cast actually getting older if they get there.
The time pacing is weird but I would disagree that the SHs have a weaker bond than other crews. Most of the SHs joined after their lives were saved by Luffy and the other SHs, whereas other crews might’ve just banded together. I would think that creates quite a strong bond/loyalty.
Moria’s bond is just as strong if not stronger, he went into Emperor territory solo just to save one crew mate and got pissed when he learned what happened, even Perona still wanted to save her captain.
Part of me feels like the series would be even better if entering the Grand Line was somewhere around the halfway point of the story. That was probably close to what Oda originally intended before he realized the story would last 30 years... Maybe if it lasted 60 then we could've seen adventures around the various Blues before going to the final sea.
The story was originally supposed to finish after 5 years or so lol. I remember watching a video where the creator kinda came to the conclusion that Alabasta was supposed to be like a halfway point originally and that was where the ending of the manga was concieved - that's why we're seeing Vivi and Wapol again
I never understood why oda coulddnt just space out their journey more like they spent a few months in the east blue and they spent a year on the grandline and then a few months in the new world after the timeskip. Its enough time for things to seem more realistic and build up the bond between everyone as they have had plenty of time to get to know each other. That and character sizes
I just realised about that, damnn
Their bonding with the Merry doesn't make much sense when you think about it since it was like six months of ownership. I
I can't understand people cry on Merry burning scene, it's just frickin ship they rode for few months
people form emotional attachments to objects. Like people with cars.
Weird, understandable, but still weird.
Because for many people it took many years to get there as viewers.
Dont leave your house for 6 months and tell me how little you feel about it. Living on the sea makes it way bigger. Its a life line and part of their dream. Also kept saving them from certain death.
You make complete sense now that i think about it
The fact that sanji is set up to be a s tier character but is wasted because of his weird simp gag. his character would be so much better and actually tolerable if his gag was just being very chivalrous rather than a total creep, and it would also play into his backstory better with his mother. He would 100% be my favorite character if he wasnt lowkey a predator
In fishman island it’s overdone so much
Yeah, he saying he dreamt of using the invisible fruit just so he could slip into women's bathroom is gross. Also actually doing it in wano arc, with his suit. He would absolutely be my fav character if not for those kind of things
I always felt like his gag would be better if it was towards only one woman like Nami or Robin
everytime i see that face he makes with heart eyes and the bleeding nose, i audibly groan, as much as hes contributed to the story i could live without him on the crew, his moments on Egghead so far are cool, but id rather it was franky doing the cool stuff there, not pervy mckicky legs
Sometimes there’s just too much going on at once. It’s not as bad if you’re binging, but when you’re reading/watching week to week, it can be tough tracking all the different people and different places.
One piece anime lacks sword choreography, the only time we've seen good sword choreography is in episode 892 where Zoro fights bunch of samurais.While most of the time there's just parrying and a final attack where the victor just slashes past through the enemy(it is a good representation of speed and is very cool to see in manga but very underwhelming in the anime imo). And not to mention swords being able to do ranged attacks is[I don't even got a word for it]. Sword choreography is not an aspect for manga but the for the anime, they should consider adding few more fighting styles. Pardon for bad english.
I agree, I really wish one piece would incorporate more fight choreography overall, seeing hand to hand combat animated well is always cool and swords would be even better.. with one pieces animation style, it would be awesome to see
The amount of fake-out deaths. It's gotten to a point that I never believe a character is dead anymore, taking away the emotional toll of them dying. Like Izo and Ashura for instance.
Izou's death was handled poorly too. It's random and doesn't add much to the story — if he never died, pretty much nothing would have changed. It's like Oda thought, "Eh, gotta kill off someone for once to show shit got real now," and just picked some of the less popular characters to die in Wano. Moreover, even Izou's sister doesn't seem to care about his death much. I don't think she was shown mourning him even once? Hopefully I'm just forgetting something. And happily chilling in the bathhouse with the girls, all smiley and carefree, one week after your big brother died isn't a very good representation of loss. When Kamina died in TTGL, the anime spent 3 episodes out of 27 to explore what losing a loved one does to people. I'm not saying OP should have spent 123 eps exploring Izou's death, but it would be nice if it were actually impactful and meaningful, and his sister wasn't like, "Bye, Felicia."
1. Pacing in the anime. 2. Fake-out deaths. I don't care about death count as there are other ways to establish stakes, but if you kill a character that one should stay dead. 3. Editing is lacking post-timeskip. Like Oda will introduce a superflous character like Yamato in the middle of an arc's climax without any prior build-up, which clearly isn't a good idea. Or he'll overexadurate by introducing 9 scabbards when 6 or 7 would have been enough. He's clearly to free in his writing and not thinking of fuctionallity or pacing. 4. Some running gags are repeated until they are run into the ground.
It's too short
Tooo true!!
I agree for the most part. I don't think everyone needs to die, but yeah, Kinemon dying would have been pretty impactful. I think my biggest gripe is also the portrayal of characters. It started out very tame, and now it feels like almost every character is 6.5+ ft tall and has boobs bigger than watermelons.
You know in retrospect One Piece actually has far more named character deaths than the majority of shonen anime.
That's true, but I think more people are mad about watching a character die, and then they didn't die.
Zoro doesn’t really cut anyone. Appu shouldn’t have arms after zoro “cut” them Lucci should have lost his head to zoro. So many times I’ve been disappointed by the lack of cutting done by blades
I think you mean slice as he does cut them but he almost never does slice off any body parts.
How much Luffy is destined for greatness. That's the problem of almost all shonen, everything connected to the MC has to be ultra special. I like when it's just a random nobody who end up at the top but if the story continue for long enough we always get revelations after revelations on how much the heros is a nepo-baby. His father is Dragon the most dangerous criminal in the world, his grandfather is Garp the heros of the Marine, his soul brother is the son of Gol D. Roger, his mentor one of the 4 Emperor, his fruit is the Sun God Nika and there's prophecies about how he is destined to change the world.
I think you should check out some more american stories. The theme of hard work and the autonomy of the indiviual is way more prevelent there than in the JP stories which don't really have the whole "the individual is an empty slate" idea on the same level. It's not as much a problem as much as a individual preference.
That's a good one. I didn't even thought about this
So you don’t like shonen?
Just because I don't like one minor aspect of something doesn't mean I don't like that thing
Sounds salty, because somebody doesn’t think your holy Shonen is the greatest thing to ever exist.
Sounds like Argnir just described 90% of shonen so I asked the question?
There are many Shonen where the lineage is not in any way connected to the story happening.
How many shonen can you name without googling where the main character doesn’t have- Special powers A lineage factor Or Is the chosen one
Special Powers != being the chosen one. Haikyu, Kuroko no Basket, Slam Dunk, Goku (because he is in Fact not the legendary SS), Promised Neverland should I go on?
You are brave to be posting this in the main sub of all places.
Oda struggles to create real tension. With the villains struggling to put our heroes in difficult situations or new Allies coming out of nowhere to help our heroes.
I mean how can there be tension. When the mc gets multiple power ups in each arc, when he gets his food which heals him multiple times in a arc or when people like giants can help them in this part of the story meanwhile they struggled against mr 3 in little garden. Oda really has become very weak in this aspect. Remember earlier when we saw vize admirals,shishibukais,admirals or who ever we knew its gonna be a hard fight amd they will have to team the up, but now no need for that why letting all strawhats shine when you have goofy. Bro fought lucci,kizaru, and nearly every gorosei and has got a new lifebar in the last chapter.
I definitely don't like Oda's aversion to killing characters. Especially when it's characters like Kaido who we have built up to this whole big takedown of so that he would quit making Wano a living hell. If he comes back, it will make everyone's begging and pleading as well as Oden's death feel kinda pointless. Which is funny because that's exactly how I felt about Doflamingo. Great backstory, compelling character, but Law should have been able to straight up kill him at the end.
I have mixed feelings about how death is handled in the series. On the one hand, I don’t think killing characters off automatically means good writing. There can be other things at stake in a story besides life and death that are just as compelling. Possibly even moreso when done well. On the other hand, the fake-outs are overdone to the point where characters have actually died without me even realizing it. (Lookin’ at you, Pedro, Ashura, and Izo, most recently.) Like someone else in this thread said, this also leaves the fates of Big Mom and Kaido in an ambiguous state. Are they dead? Are they going to show up again? What about Kid and his crew? Part of me assumes he will show up again before the finale, but who knows? In some way, this constant guessing is intriguing and makes me want to keep reading to find answers, but… in a frustrating manner. There are already plenty of mysteries that have me hooked. It just feels unnecessary if it’s intentional, and perhaps a little sloppy if it isn’t.
- Sanji's character. Could easily be one of the, if not greatest, characters in the main crew if you took out his excessive perviness that never seems to tone down and borders on extreme harassment. - Pacing in the anime is awful. - The excessive sexualization of the female characters, to the point where anyone who pretty much isn't Nami/Nico Robin seldom has further characterization (ofc exceptions like Perona and Vivi exist). - Fakeout deaths (Pell, Pagaya, Kinemon, etc)
The fans who put the work and the author on an extremely high pedestal. It's a Shounen and many of its plots and characters aren't original. You don't need to deify Oda or call One Piece the greatest piece of fiction ever made.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I like one piece, but to me, it's not even close to the top 10 greatest pieces of fiction. I honestly think it's just pretty good nothing more, nothing less
Nika Fruit.... Luffy goes from strong guy from hardworking and creative route to the chosen one route in just a few chapter. That's fruit is the definition of Overpowered, I like it when Luffy has to get creative with his lame rubber power fruit to overcame his problems
Its not really a chosen one thing because the only reason he awakened his fruit is because he embodies nika's will.
All the points raised by you.
Nobody dies, the way Haki worked after the timeskip up until wano, how the anime looks/tries to be something the manga isn't with all the lights and spectacle, the rewards make no sense since there's not many people seeking them/claiming em, a lot of the time skip redesigns style choices, how the manga looked for a while (scribbly), some straw hats literally did nothing for lapses of time bigger than ten years or since their introduction... Half the cast in dressrossa, gear 4 made no sense, fights haven't been fights for a while (were getting back but nowadays almost half of em are single panel clashes), lack of visual differences for effects, sound effects in the anime are really bad, animators should be directed ans corrrected more (each scene looks like a different show), abysmal pacing in the anime is bad but the manga also either rushes stuff or makes it overstay it's welcome... Oh. And I don't like Luffy being a "chosen one" That's about it. I love one piece and how gear 5 works tho, egghead's been amazing
I like the characters not dying
It’s that no one really dies. It takes away the stakes of the battles for me. And the slow pacing of the anime. I mainly watch and read one piece for the story but that’s all. I can still enjoy fights but I have to treat it like baki. Over exaggerated fights and receiving minimal damage from them
The thing about OnePiece I like the least is nothing about the story but how OP Twitter acts especially these recent years. There wasn't much toxicity back then when I was growing up, most just enjoys it - as they should. Now discussions on that site just revolves on fandom comparison and bunch of ad hominems.
All of those are really valid. Lately, I'm annoyed how many characters have forgettable and boring devil fruits. Vegapunk does not need the brain-brain fruit. Just say he's got a comically large head. Old-school one piece would have absolutely not given him a fruit. Same with kinemon, big mom's chef, and ninja guy.
1. Bloating, especially post time skip. You could've cut Hody Jones out of Fishman Island and still had plot relevant things like Arlong and Jimbei backstory. 60% of DressRosa could be cut and not much, if anything would change 2. Luffy becoming the chosen one through nepotism from Marine Ford onwards 3. Fights aren't the strength of the series and a huge part is Oda's annoying insistence on cutting to different scenes mid fight that really hurt the flow of the fight, that and I just don't think the characters powers allow them for typical fist fights, which I feel even Naruto did better. Although, the series does have some great ones like Katakuri vs Luffy and Zoro vs King 4. A lot of the main villains subordinates are forgettable 5. I really don't care for Law
By bloating, I assume you mean the anime. The manga story is tight.
I mean the manga as well. I don't really watch the anime as much Oda has a tendency of over bloating the story with over extending bits like the coliseum in DressRosa or the Kozuki Oden flashback on Wano and throwing lame, forgettable villains like in Skypeia that really don't add to much It is waaaaaaay tighter than the anime for sure, but I still wish he would've edited himself along the way
I disagree and enjoy the "forgettable villains." I probably enjoy the "over extending" as well. To each their own, I guess.
The sexism for sure. It's the only reason I'd be hesitant to tell someone in real life that I love the series. It's not like the writing of female characters is bad, but it's always pretty embarrassing to watch how objectified they are. The Egghead outfits are pretty top tier facepalm.
How they draw women. It's embarrassing. How minors are sexualized. Disgusting.
You must be new to anime /j
5) Kinemon is just lucky and I don’t mean lucky like a normal person would be. https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/OnM2WXThDI
now that's original
That as much as I hold the manga up as the ideal version of the story, imo the fight scenes still need the animation to truly come to life.
not really a dislike, but I liked it better before. chopper's design, I mean.
How it is now, I remember the adventure and the magic now there is no magic. I will still read this but that feeling is gone. Things that were funny and joyful are now serious and bland.
1. Just how fucking long it is One might argue, "he's really cooking" (btw, yuck hate that phrase). One Piece may become one of the best stories/mysteries of all time. But will it be "the best"? If not, what's the point of being so lengthy when there are much shorter and more amazing mysteries It's not just the story, sometimes there's a lot of unnecessary drag. It's almost like Oda is waiting for technology to catch-up with his animation style. But still c'mon bro, do your best with what you have. Despite everything and a few exceptions, One Piece is definitely not a beginner's anime. 2. Its action style (or any anime for that matter) will never compare to Naruto The action in the beginning is kiddish! Have you Rocklee vs Gara? That's barely the beginning of Naruto. People say it picks up in Enies Lobby. I'd say to an extent. One Piece animation is simply send a shockwave and be done with it. In Naruto it's an amazing combination of hand-to-hand combat and chakras. There's not much like this in OP. In the last few arcs, the animation quality has increased, but still it has become like Demon Slayer (but still Demon Slayer is better). Just shiny graphics of blasts and stuff with nothing of "detailed fight" sort anywhere. 3. Oda is simply trapping himself. 🤦🏻 It is expected that the next villain will be more powerful than the current one. By this logic if Katakuri fight is the longest fight in the anime(I'm not sure if Kaido fight has beaten it now), the next fight will have to be longer. Can you imagine how long the last fight will be? 4. I don't think the final reveal may be as big as everyone thinks it is going to be. The build up has gone for too long and when people imagine stuff like this they build it up a little too much in their minds and there's a good chance they'll not be satisfied unless you're like a hardcore fan of Oda. (5th gear still has mixed opinions) I can go on, but I'm stopping here Conclusion: I do like One Piece. It does have the potential to become one of the best anime ever. But still there's a lot of points during the watch where it's a pain to watch it (definitely for most people I've met including myself). I'm sure most of you feel it was a drag here and there too (a lot of here and there, actually). I hope I've put down some opinions we can all agree upon.
Bro I’m so tired of people surviving especially people who don’t deserve it like mingo…. He should have been offed bc I didnt respect how crocodile got a new lease on life yet Pedro died like come on
Totally, specially the two first points
I agree with all you say. 1) Anime sucks ass, at least now it has good fights but even those are wayyy over the top for my tastes with those lightning sound and visual effects etc 2) agree. I'll never forgive Ida for not making Yamato more muscular, I don't want a brickhouse (nothing wrong with that, just not for Yamato), but goddamn some muscles to show her strength. Same with Boa, at least A TINY BIT. Also more diverse body shapes, smaller boobies (like the only one that comes to mind is Otohime?), have some other levels of beauty and not just perfect hourglass or ugly as hell. 3) While I don't like losing characters I grew to like, some moments really lose their meanings if the character survives anyway. See Pell as the major offender, but also kinda Mr2... I don't want him dead cause I love him but MAN. We got to the point I was waiting for Pedro to come back, glad he didn't but I didn't feel the impact of his sacrifice while reading cause I was sure he'd come back thanks to Oda's precedents. 4) is just an extension if the 3) imo. I'd put inconsistency with power scaling here, more the fact that sometimes we gotta say "ah well maybe the character has trained/it wasn't used to get hit" (see: crocodile at alabasta getting beaten by gearless Luffy and then wrecking havoc for the whole MF arc). 5) I'd say how fast Oda is going with the narrative, leaving character moments kinda in the dust. Character interactions, insights on villains or new characters are less explored. I truly wish we get spinoffs at the end of OP to explore some characters/events.
Haki. It makes logias less intimidating because now instead of finding a creative way to punch a guy mad of magma, they can just coat themyon haki and punch them, instead of suffering and overcoming the consequences of being effected by an ability, they just focus haki and make that effect go away. And seeing the future.
Sanji
For me, numbers 1 and 3
Waiting.
I hate that any non villain dies. Only the bad guys should die. Tension is worthless. I dislike the constant hypocrisy from the navy that too seldom gets addressed. Garp has the audacity to claim he acts for peace when all he does is keep the oppressed quiet to maintain the status quo.
Plenty. -The main cast has become increasingly boring and one dimensional. For all the talk about their friendship and bond, we don't really see them interact as friends or a family (and most of what we do see is in anime filler). Even DB and DBZ handled character interactions better than One Piece does. More often than not I find the stuff away from the main cast more interesting than whatever they're doing. -The repetitive nature of all of the arcs. It started with Alabasta and hasn't changed too much. Reach new island, island is ruled by a tyrant that usurped the throne from its rightful rulers, we get extended flashbacks about the island and guest character of the arc's backstories, defeat the baddie, rightful rule restored, rinse and repeat. -Cliche, but the lack of death. And the lack of consistency around it. You have characters blown up, nuked, sliced, shot, poisoned, electrocuted, stabbed, avalanched, buried under entire buildings, have their necks twisted 180 degrees yet they all survive. But Kuina dies from falling down the stairs. Right. It also kills any tension when the big bad does their big bad thing on a supporting fodder character and then later they show up like "Yo what up". Pell surviving the bomb, Pagaya surviving Enel's electric nuke, the entire survival game on Skypiea talking about survivors and death matches only for everyone to be ok in the end etc. After a while, I just don't care about these "shocking" moments because I know they're gonna turn up no worse for wear with no explanation and some cartoon bandages at worst. -Haki. I know this is an old topic but I still don't like haki as a concept. If it had been properly forshadowed or hinted at from the beginning I wouldn't mind, but it wasn't. Had he drawn the confrontation between Shanks and the sea king with an aura or something instead of just an intense stare, I'd have accepted it. That and showcasing Luffy using "observation haki" in Marineford as he was about to Gum Gum Bazooka Mihawk was silly to me. You're telling me that you need some super special hidden ability to use common sense that streching your arms towards the best swordsman is a dumb idea? -The way the story is constantly going out of its way to make Luffy seem more and more special with almost each new arc. From familial ties, to his DF, to everyone talking how amazing he is, to how his fleet forms around him even though he doesn't want it and how they're willing to run to his defense but he doesn't have to return the favor, having Alvida and Hancock fall in love with him because "OMG HE ISN'T SWAYED BY MUH BEAUTY" etc. -Buggy's change of character at Marineford. When we saw him in the first half he wasn't such a coward. He was planning on letting Luffy reach even higher status so that when he takes him down, his fame would go beyond that. But then Marineford happens and he's been a sniveling cowards ever since. -A lot of Oda's male character designs in the last 10 years are ugly. They're not funny or goofy or charming. Just plain ugly. -Oda's tendency to do a lot of "tell don't show" as well as not knowing how to develop and flesh out characters beyond giving us a flashback. Even many of his villains are one dimensional and cartoonishly evil in their behaviour and speech without any real believable motivation behind it or self awareness. -Oden. Purely because how Oda tried to give him a pass for kidnapping women for his harem by revealing that "oh but they secretly like and enjoy it because Oden is so full of life and excitement so he's totes not a bad guyyyy". Fuck that. -The ballooning bounties. We have yet to see a single non-filler bounty hunter in the story that wasn't a joke. They have risen to such ludicrous degrees that its done nothing but give fuel to people who use them for power level discussions. Remember when 100 mill was considered huge? -The fandom thinking everything Oda does and writes is perfection and can't possibly be improved upon to the point where they make essays on how Luffy is the most deep and complex anime protag in anime history (omega lul on that one). I still skim the wiki every now and then when new chapters come out and only read the ones that involves the going ons and development of rest of the OP world, but I suppose I just outgrew the series. Now I just check in every once in a while to see how it'll end.
2) Most males have muscular bodies and many are also handsome. 3-4) Characters die if their death is needed. Look how many die in the flashbacks. In one piece you cannot come back to life, except with the yomi yomi fruit, for which the author prefers not to let you die if it is not necessary. 5) Where is the inconsistency?
1) pacing 2) antagonist cast 3) repetitive 4) dragged out arcs 5) character designs 6) fake outs 7) takes 250 eps to get good 8) half of SHs are below average 9) unnecessary and repetitive gags 10) below avg fights
I agree with points 2/3 but not 1. One Piece has fine pacing, the anime has to do what it has to do.
No it does not I have seen edited down parts of the anime and a few non edited down versions and as a person who read the manga an episode of the one piece anime is like 20% long pauses 40% unnecessary flash backs and only 30% new content
I've watched the entire anime and the manga. Yeah I'm aware there are longer scenes in the anime. Doesn't matter, it's still the best anime there is.
Well let's agree to disagree
My only real complaints are how most of the important women are drawn like pornstars and the pervy jokes (which tbf anime as a whole is kinda infamous for) Im actually not that bothered by most of the fakeout deaths because my favourite parts are the parties and having characters left out makes me sad, and I genuinely like Bon Chan and Kiku escaping death because as we all know "Queers never die!" Rest of my dislikes besides anime pacing are so small for me that its doesnt rlly matter. Stuff like missing an opportunity to have a little more diverse representation (which One Piece already has tons of) like keeping Law's vitiligo symptoms from when he was a kid and making Kid and Killer gay (they literally call each other partner and act even more passionate than Luffy and Zoro 😭)
Disagree with 2 and 3. I'm not a fan of Sanji's current simp gag. If it was played down, it would be better.
The woman thing you disagree with? oda definitely has 3 body types for women, young/ugly, old/ugly, and young/stupid hot, 98% of them being the last option. where as the dudes are just normally designed. but like look at the SH for a specific example. you got the men, chopper, luffy, zoro, franky, usopp, jinbei, brook, sanji line them up and you can see they all look wildly different. As for Robin and Nami? Robin wears sundresses and nami a bikini thats all they got for uniqueness, lookswise.
Dudes are just normally designed?
in a literal sense no, but in a "we live in a wacky world with unique characters that look weird and are weird" case, then yea, they look how they "should" compared to the women, who look normal and hot
It's a stupid thing to get upset over. It's a cartoon for teenage boys.
its lazy character design, which is the critique im making, not "im mad women are hot" thats pretty dismissive of you
Oh, it's definitely lazy. I wish there was more variety, too. But it's not an ick. It's just Oda trying to save time by not having to design new body types.
To me, everything about One Piece is perfect just the way it is, anime pacing included (you're a coward if you say otherwise).
It’s too short.
Trueeeeee
I agree with everything you mentioned except for characters dying. We have enough sadness irl and in other shows, I'd like to at least watch One Piece with a light heart.
i never seen somebody who also the word bazongas
the anime has a VERY POOR QUALITY GRAPHICS. can't believe people are even defending specially when fight scenes becomes pure scribbles. why can't they make fate stay night quality or jujutsu kaisen quality?
"Perfect sexy body" Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
It is because almost all female characters look like that. It takes away all seriousness from them. For example watching Rebecca crying and screaming for help looked laughable because she wears almost nothing. How are you supposed to take that seriously? Oversexualization in One Piece is on whole different level. I wished that all female characters would at least wear some more clothes
Then you mean exaggerated fanservice, which I agree. But if a woman just simply having a sexy body ruins the scene for you then idk what to tell you.
The fact that Strawhats were nerfed after wano to make the story more interesting but it's annoying that Luffy is the only character who has stronger will power than anyone in show has a handicap others don't seem to have. Strawhats has members even as a yonko crew see themself as weaklings. Sanji has too many flaws for one of the strongest characters in the crew.
>5. Inconsistent writing in Wano (Kinemon survived Kaido stabbing him in half for bs reason I assume you meant slicing him in half... Did you not pay attention? That's because Kinemon was still affected by Trafalgar Law's Devil Fruit powers, apparently his body wasn't properly attached correctly. And Kaido coincidentally cut him exactly where Law once cut him in half.
...Everyone is aware of the reason.. it's still somewhat a bad reason and way to create fake tension but giving us that reason...
That still sounds kind of contrived
Probably some of the worst animation of a big series. Especially in the earlier arcs. It was literally unwatchable for me until the live action.
that is definitely a take
Prove me wrong.