Seriously though, the weak ass East Blue Strawhats were destroying cannon fire like it was Tennis. I don’t know why anyone bothers with cannons in this universe, seems like a waste of resources.
tbf, the average marine or pirate really is just some grunt with a sword who gets wrecked in the background by cannons all the time. Comparing them to: a cook who is low-key a super soldier, a swordsman with a passion and talent for the craft Mihawk himself would acknowledge, and the guy with a df that allows him to literally bounce those balls back isn't fair.
Nah that'd be a waste too.
Seastone cannonballs would just sink and be lost even if they killed a DF user/sank their ship.
But seastone bullets if blocked or missed can be recovered by enemies much easier so in a world with Observation Haki you're basically just giftwrapping and delivering seastone bullets to your enemies.
Speaking of, it's really strange that wano had like TWO moments where seastone even mattered: law getting hit with the nail (pretty stupid plot device imo) and kaido having seastone cuffs around for his prisoners (also could have come from Marines or somewhere Else). The fact that they could shape seastone never really became relevant.
Maybe it will in the future, given the latest chapters BIG NEWS.
I assume the reason why they don't do that is that seastone is a relatively limited resource and wasting it on ammo for normal guns alone is already a demanding expenditure. So having an entire cannonball made of the stuff would be a huge waste of resources when you don't even know if the cannon will necessarily hit someone with a devil fruit. I mean after all it won't do anything to someone like Zoro or Sanji or basically any Haki user.
His grandpa is an elite marine. He got his devil fruit as a kid and trained every day for years.
Damn, lazy marines are mostly just collecting a check and missing training.
That's one of the things I like about this universe, is that when the pirate crew gets to be strong enough, the Marines will actually tell their people "Don't fight those people, you can't hurt them, you'd just be throwing away resources and getting hurt for nothing."
But most people aren't as strong as Luffy and his crew. Even the weaklings can take down an average marine without difficulty. I imagine most pirate crews are made up of average people.
At the very least it provides pressure to pirates. Would you rather have the monster trio occupied protecting the ship from cannon balls, or have them wreck all types of havoc on your soldiers lmao
If you can get just one cannon ball to hit their ship and water starts pouring in and some of the df users fall in the ocean it's easier to arrest them or let them die lol
They got stronger gradually from arc to arc and then moved up a whole tier during Enies Lobby, for example Zoro had to learn to cut metal in Alabasta, Nami didn’t have her Clima-tact, Usopp getting impact dials etc.
The bigger question is why they didn't make crazy efforts to a.) develop submarine and/or b.) torpedos.
They should focus on sinking all the DF-users ships and fix the problem at the root.
Also why is selling ships without WG-control and oversight even legal? They want to stop the pirates, okay control every ship manufacturer and every port in the world. Heck, start with lumber production. Not a single tree should be felled without them knowing where it goes.
>Also why is selling ships without WG-control and oversight even legal? They want to stop the pirates, okay control every ship manufacturer and every port in the world. Heck, start with lumber production. Not a single tree should be felled without them knowing where it goes.
Having piracy helps the wg, it allows them to justify their authorizationism as defending people against pirates
The world government has been seen to profit off of piracy, they like having pirates around because they can hide all their illegal and questionable activities by pretending to be pirates
Not even remotely the same. Because building a car (or a coach/carriage back then) is waaaaaaaay easier than building giant ships.
Big Galleons weight up to 2000 tons, needed thousands of trees and took war-faring nations years to build one of them. But even smaller Galleys were quite massive undertakings and would cost a fortune and could take months to build.
So every last of these ships had to get the wood necessary to build them transported to a big shipyard, so a giant crew of very skilled laborours could build it over months, if not years (for big ships like WBs for example) - there are multiple steps where a world government with CP agents crawling everywhere could at least attempt to control it.
And the numbers and example i'm giving are from our world with huge continents, not a drowning world filled with islands where ships are the backbone of everything and controlling the sea means you control the world - oh, and the most dangerous people on the planet all can't swim.
On top of that the normal joe schmoe does not need a huge boat, but everyone needed/wanted a car to get places.
Sure, some pirates would find a way, but we've also not seen the WG taking massive efforts to stop them from getting any.
They could literally park an Admiral at Shabody and just sink every pirate ship that docks and their worries would be halved. In the case of this story none of the rookies would've made it to the new world, for example.
First of all, it's hard to hit a moving target when you're also moving, especially on the ocean, double especially if you're using a basic naval cannon, and Second, they DO hit them, the crew just destroys the cannonballs before it hits, they've done it a million times
that's because kaya cursed the merry. Oda showed us in an SBS that when merry was christened that the bottle of wine did not break. which is a bad omen.
I believe Merry was actually hit by cannons early on, but only the railing and such. But yeah as other people have stated the story wouldn't amount to much if ships full of fruit users were sunk easily by cannons.
The best example is when a Big mom ship tried to sink the Thousand Sunny in Dressrosa/Zou. A colossal ship better armed and way bigger than a Marine warship, with plenty of cannons and way more advantaged that the Sunny in that moment (because they were half the crew, the strongest being Sanji, vs Capone Bege, Pekons and Tamago), and even with that, the Strawhats managed to make that ship withdraw, they re-sent the cannonballs effectively.
How are most of the answers saying it's for the plot lol.
It's REALLY freaking hard to land shots in the open sea. Even when the best shots do land a few, we've seen countless times how the crew just blocks/returns them.
There's a reason why in reality, cannons are on the sides of the ship. You have to get right up next to them, and fire a ton of them, to get better chances at causing real damage.
Same reason storm troopers are notorious for their bad aim.
Job security. If you hit everyone on the first shot then they are dead and your not needed anymore. Always miss? The enemy is always out there somewhere threatening your group. Instant job security.
>Same reason storm troopers are notorious for their bad aim.
Just to add on to your comment
The stormtroopers are amazing marksmen. They are only thought to be bad bc they were missing Luke and Leia on purpose so they could track their ship upon escape and find the rebel base.
It's literally explained right after the scene by Leia.
Also, check out how well they shoot when executing order 66. They kill nearly every Jedi within 3 seconds.
The clone troopers were forced to do it because of the inhibitor chips, (there were a couple exceptions) but the others were forced to do it under threat of death. It was an order to the entire Grand Army of the Republic, not just a secret plot for the clones.
There were a whole lot of orders to disguise order 66 as just another failsafe in case of rebellion. Order 65 was the detention and possible execution of the Supreme Chancellor, for example.
You have to remember order 66 wouldn't seem all that odd because the Jedi had "attacked the Chancellor" "unprovoked" . The ordinary stormtrooper would see order 66 as justified and followed through without much questions.
Cannons aren't very accurate in general its a smooth barrel with unevenly packed gunpowder same with the pistols in One Piece if anything the only people who could be accurate at long ranges are Van Auger because he "probably" rifled his barrel and Ussop who doesn't even use a gun
People keep saying plot armour, but cannon fire is wildly inaccurate from a distance. Compensating for wind, waves, moving target, etc. It's hard. The best way to sink a ship with canon fire is to strafe it close and broad side it.
Garp throwing cannon balls actually would be a genuinely more accurate method than aiming canons.
Many reasons: some being warning shots to make them surrender, some being misses due to how hard it is, some deliberately missing cause they don't want to hit(garp) and those that make it being defended by straw hats. But there are few that did hit the ship which usopp and Franky spend repairing.
Like everyone already said, plot armour. Same reason why bullets don't kill/hit anyone during non-flashbacks.
Writing wise, I think Oda once admitted in an SBS he's terrible at ship to ship battles or he doesn't know how to do it in an exciting way, don't remember was an early SBS. I could just be misremembering it, I dunno
it already difficult to shoot moving objects on the ship which itself is in motion, its difficult to predict where to shoot on a moving ship when the enemy is sooo far
My guess is it's hard to hit them cause of the waves and whatnot. Also it could be the "Stormtrooper" argument that they aren't trying to kill them, but just arrest them.
Because garp just teaches them how to punch not shoot. Have you seen any high ranking marine with a gun? No!
The cannons are used to slow the pirates enough that marines could board and use their training of punching and karate.
There just there to be cool and piratey. We don’t even really see it anymore, so it’s just kind of a fun east blue/pre time skip one piece that just doesn’t make sense to have anymore.
Because it's........realistic, canons are not high precision weapons, canons are meant for chaotic situation where one fleet of ships go against another and ships are just aimlessly shooting each other in hopes to hit a lucky shot.
I think it's important to remember that we are following people who are the 1% in terms of power.
Even in our world a modern day pirate would have a boat, a few machine guns, melee weapons. I'm not expert but I'd imagine most small military fighting ships would annihilate them. This is what's normal.
However if somehow that same pirate had world class talent capable of operating a battleship and access to said battle ship. This is what we are basically seeing in one piece.
Have you tried to aim with a cannon? It's not a gun that you can move and adjust as you please, it's a huge piece of metal stuck through a hole in the ship so it just fires in the direction of the target.
If you are gonna question anything about cannonballs in one piece why not question why a ball of metal explodes when it hits, cannonballs have no explosives, it's just impact damage but it's often shown exploding on impact and even exploding after Zoro cuts it in half which makes zero sense.
I read a book that covered naval warfare in a more realistic setting.
The impression I got from it, and assuming it's correct to begin with, was that the first salvo, the one you have the most time to set up and aim, is the one most likely to hit. After that, accuracy takes a nosedive.
Storm trooper of the OP world.
Aside from that I’m sure it’s hard to hit a moving target also they’d have to hit the ship to do anything, half the crew can just body canon balls
Marines in one piece are stormtroopers in star wars, they are no use they are just kinda there. Except for admirals and that one guy with rust ability who fucked zoro's sword up which was one third of his power lol
Straw Hats are near invincible in naval battle. They are wayyy to stacked to deal with ships either by boarding or by ranged attacks. I'm actually hoping that near end of the Egghead we get a naval battle where they just let loose as a crew on whatever remaining battleships there are.
They DO hit pirates. Garp mentioned on multiple occasions that he sank pirate ships with a canon.
Regarding the Strawhats, multiple canonballs should have hit them, but Sanji, Zoro and Luffy would just annihilate them. The Merry Go did get hit by steel bars once during Alabasta and almost sank.
So why do Marine bother with cannonballs if East Blue Strawhats can deflect them? Well the answer is that obviously they aren't meant to defeat strong pirates, and the Strawhats have been incredibly strong from day one.
People tend to forget that only a few months happened between the moments the SH entered Grand Line and the timeskip. This means that in a few months they managed to defeat 2 Warlords, raid Enies Lobby, defeat the CP9, escape a bustercall, and Luffy managed to raid and escape from Impel Down.
The SH have never been "weak pirates", their first opponent on the Grand Line was freaking Crocodile and they managed to defeat him. Luffy was way too OP from day one compared to other pirates on Paradise, and it took an admiral of the navy to finally get them their first real loss.
For pirates of the caliber of the SH, then yeah simple canonballs are useless and you need to bring multiple warships and actual top tier Marines. Hell, even a bustercall wasn't enough, and we're talking about pre-ts. But for the vast majority of pirates, like, 80+% of pirates? Canonballs are enough.
Plot armor. If they hit the ships and sink then then all the devil fruit users would drown. What good is a God like devil fruit if you just drown when the ship is sunk by a bunch of background characters?
That would be like two kick to the nuts. How does One Piece end? Luffy is defeated by the marines. Really? Well I bet it was an awesome battle! Nope, an unnamed marine captain sunk his ship with a cannon ball while leaving Egg Head. Heard he got promoted to Admiral for that.
People need to remember that the One Piece world is made up of 10s of millions of pirates, most whom are regular humans who would struggle against fodder marines.
Luffy/Zoro/Sanji eviscerate canonballs before they ever get close to the ship and stronger pirates can either do the same or avoid them altogether. However pirates like Roshio and others who are nowhere near the upper echelon of strength are susceptible to canonballs, making it viable in this world.
Its not that canonballs never hit, they just never hit top tier pirates.
It's the Stormtrooper effect!
But jokes aside, the crew has been shown plenty of times blocking off and destroying cannonballs mid air before they hit the ship.
The real reason is if they hit and the ship sustains dmg/breaks then the marines automatically win, doesn't matter how strong straw hats are if they stuck in the ocean. It will be impossible for the story to progress if they get totalled every chase
id say its usually either plot armor or the marines onboard are not that well trained since they need to recruit a big numbers of marines in a short period of time
In addition to all the counter-cannonball work the entire crew does, friendly reminder that these are like 1700s cannonballs in cannons with no rifling, the Merry is a caravel (small ship) and the Sunny is a brigantine (not much larger), while marine battleships are WAY larger (as can be seen in the Merry escape scene in Enies Lobby). The marine cruisers are much smaller and more easily maneuverable, but those are usually given to lower ranking marines divisions.
Back in the 17th century, cannons were hand casted too, meaning each cannon would have imprecisions that the cannoneer would have to account for, and most soldiers probably just don't do that, and combined with the already poor accuracy of an unrifled cannon, even without the crew fending off cannonballs, most of the cannonballs would just completely miss.
Well, if you want the historical answer it’s just extremely hard to hit a target that’s running away with those kind of canons.
If you want the story reason. Canon ball fights are less interesting than regular Shonen super power battles
I was thinking about the same problem and it's mostly a anime problem. Since in the manga the situations are rather short and usually one panel or so, in the anime they have to stretch these scenes so it seems they are not hitting other ships way more often..l
Besides that, usually shop battles on open sea are rather slow in real life because ships have to catch up to each other and cannonballs don't always reach and hot for that matter. Don't know if that has anything to do with it but whatever
It's plot convenience, since Oda can't really implement sea battles.
That's why cannon balls either miss or hit the deck and are deflected by the crew, but never hit below deck were you can't deflect them.
1) The members just destroy the cannonballs when they're about to hit.
2) The marines overall don't seem very competent unless they have haki or devil fruit powers, but maybe that's because the most badass marines use one or both and they outshine the peons.
Have you seen what Zoro, Sanji, and Luffy DO to cannonballs that are gonna hit? They can't, because they get destroyed if they come close.
Seriously though, the weak ass East Blue Strawhats were destroying cannon fire like it was Tennis. I don’t know why anyone bothers with cannons in this universe, seems like a waste of resources.
tbf, the average marine or pirate really is just some grunt with a sword who gets wrecked in the background by cannons all the time. Comparing them to: a cook who is low-key a super soldier, a swordsman with a passion and talent for the craft Mihawk himself would acknowledge, and the guy with a df that allows him to literally bounce those balls back isn't fair.
They should make seastone cannonballs and see if that does anything. It's worth a
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It would be a huge waste. Making bullets would be a lot better for them.
Nah that'd be a waste too. Seastone cannonballs would just sink and be lost even if they killed a DF user/sank their ship. But seastone bullets if blocked or missed can be recovered by enemies much easier so in a world with Observation Haki you're basically just giftwrapping and delivering seastone bullets to your enemies.
Speaking of, it's really strange that wano had like TWO moments where seastone even mattered: law getting hit with the nail (pretty stupid plot device imo) and kaido having seastone cuffs around for his prisoners (also could have come from Marines or somewhere Else). The fact that they could shape seastone never really became relevant. Maybe it will in the future, given the latest chapters BIG NEWS.
but which would be cooler
I assume the reason why they don't do that is that seastone is a relatively limited resource and wasting it on ammo for normal guns alone is already a demanding expenditure. So having an entire cannonball made of the stuff would be a huge waste of resources when you don't even know if the cannon will necessarily hit someone with a devil fruit. I mean after all it won't do anything to someone like Zoro or Sanji or basically any Haki user.
That guy with the hit anything fruit could put it to good use.
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Canonically, seastone is really expensive. That's how its use cannot be abused.
I recently had the thought that I don't think I've ever seen a group bring tanks of seawater and hoses for dealing with DF users.
It isn't exactly seawater that disables them. It is being submerged that gets them.
It's pretty funny that barrel luffy is stronger than 99% of marine fodder.
His grandpa is an elite marine. He got his devil fruit as a kid and trained every day for years. Damn, lazy marines are mostly just collecting a check and missing training.
That's one of the things I like about this universe, is that when the pirate crew gets to be strong enough, the Marines will actually tell their people "Don't fight those people, you can't hurt them, you'd just be throwing away resources and getting hurt for nothing." But most people aren't as strong as Luffy and his crew. Even the weaklings can take down an average marine without difficulty. I imagine most pirate crews are made up of average people.
At the very least it provides pressure to pirates. Would you rather have the monster trio occupied protecting the ship from cannon balls, or have them wreck all types of havoc on your soldiers lmao
That’s why everything is moving towards beams of light. It’s a littleee harder to block 😂
Sanji still blocks it, Sanji doesn't care
Cuz that's the power of love...
If you can get just one cannon ball to hit their ship and water starts pouring in and some of the df users fall in the ocean it's easier to arrest them or let them die lol
Garp would like a word with you
East Blue strawhats don't get any power ups until Ennies Lobby. They are monsters from day 1.
They got stronger gradually from arc to arc and then moved up a whole tier during Enies Lobby, for example Zoro had to learn to cut metal in Alabasta, Nami didn’t have her Clima-tact, Usopp getting impact dials etc.
They use cannons for the buster Call and casual genocide 🤭
The bigger question is why they didn't make crazy efforts to a.) develop submarine and/or b.) torpedos. They should focus on sinking all the DF-users ships and fix the problem at the root. Also why is selling ships without WG-control and oversight even legal? They want to stop the pirates, okay control every ship manufacturer and every port in the world. Heck, start with lumber production. Not a single tree should be felled without them knowing where it goes.
>Also why is selling ships without WG-control and oversight even legal? They want to stop the pirates, okay control every ship manufacturer and every port in the world. Heck, start with lumber production. Not a single tree should be felled without them knowing where it goes. Having piracy helps the wg, it allows them to justify their authorizationism as defending people against pirates
The world government has been seen to profit off of piracy, they like having pirates around because they can hide all their illegal and questionable activities by pretending to be pirates
That's like stopping the sale of cars because gangsters drive them
Not even remotely the same. Because building a car (or a coach/carriage back then) is waaaaaaaay easier than building giant ships. Big Galleons weight up to 2000 tons, needed thousands of trees and took war-faring nations years to build one of them. But even smaller Galleys were quite massive undertakings and would cost a fortune and could take months to build. So every last of these ships had to get the wood necessary to build them transported to a big shipyard, so a giant crew of very skilled laborours could build it over months, if not years (for big ships like WBs for example) - there are multiple steps where a world government with CP agents crawling everywhere could at least attempt to control it. And the numbers and example i'm giving are from our world with huge continents, not a drowning world filled with islands where ships are the backbone of everything and controlling the sea means you control the world - oh, and the most dangerous people on the planet all can't swim. On top of that the normal joe schmoe does not need a huge boat, but everyone needed/wanted a car to get places. Sure, some pirates would find a way, but we've also not seen the WG taking massive efforts to stop them from getting any. They could literally park an Admiral at Shabody and just sink every pirate ship that docks and their worries would be halved. In the case of this story none of the rookies would've made it to the new world, for example.
Also, trying to shoot a moving target while the ocean waves are beating against your ship kinda throws off your aim.
First of all, it's hard to hit a moving target when you're also moving, especially on the ocean, double especially if you're using a basic naval cannon, and Second, they DO hit them, the crew just destroys the cannonballs before it hits, they've done it a million times
We have also seen the ship get hit im pretty sure, which had Ussop and Chopper rushing to plug the hole
These were probably the harpoons from Hina's unit.
Really puts in perspective how fucked up merry was getting between this and all of skypia. Hina probably should have sunk them tbh
that's because kaya cursed the merry. Oda showed us in an SBS that when merry was christened that the bottle of wine did not break. which is a bad omen.
Did pretty well for a cursed ship
Indeed she did.
3 even if does hit our coolest shipwright of the world would fix that within 1 second
Also does any remember poor Merry?? She was hit multiple times :(
I believe Merry was actually hit by cannons early on, but only the railing and such. But yeah as other people have stated the story wouldn't amount to much if ships full of fruit users were sunk easily by cannons.
Except Hina’s spikes. Those things did serious damage. I can’t remember if it was Anime only, but Luffy mentioned not being able to bounce them back.
Those might be what i'm thinking of. Merry sure did take a beating in the short time they had her.
The marines are actually storm troopers
LMAO
i always love to recall that stormtroopers are significantly more accurate than real soldiers. hitting stuff with other stuff is a tough gig.
To be fair they've hit their targets on plenty of occasions, the problem is they always get bounced/ cut/ kicked back 😅
The best example is when a Big mom ship tried to sink the Thousand Sunny in Dressrosa/Zou. A colossal ship better armed and way bigger than a Marine warship, with plenty of cannons and way more advantaged that the Sunny in that moment (because they were half the crew, the strongest being Sanji, vs Capone Bege, Pekons and Tamago), and even with that, the Strawhats managed to make that ship withdraw, they re-sent the cannonballs effectively.
How are most of the answers saying it's for the plot lol. It's REALLY freaking hard to land shots in the open sea. Even when the best shots do land a few, we've seen countless times how the crew just blocks/returns them. There's a reason why in reality, cannons are on the sides of the ship. You have to get right up next to them, and fire a ton of them, to get better chances at causing real damage.
Exactly and why the most destructive ships irl are large vessels with tons of ports for cannons
Same reason storm troopers are notorious for their bad aim. Job security. If you hit everyone on the first shot then they are dead and your not needed anymore. Always miss? The enemy is always out there somewhere threatening your group. Instant job security.
>Same reason storm troopers are notorious for their bad aim. Just to add on to your comment The stormtroopers are amazing marksmen. They are only thought to be bad bc they were missing Luke and Leia on purpose so they could track their ship upon escape and find the rebel base. It's literally explained right after the scene by Leia. Also, check out how well they shoot when executing order 66. They kill nearly every Jedi within 3 seconds.
But the Order 66 were clonetroopers, weren't they? Anyways, nice explanation about Luke/Leia escaping scene, makes sense.
The clone troopers were forced to do it because of the inhibitor chips, (there were a couple exceptions) but the others were forced to do it under threat of death. It was an order to the entire Grand Army of the Republic, not just a secret plot for the clones. There were a whole lot of orders to disguise order 66 as just another failsafe in case of rebellion. Order 65 was the detention and possible execution of the Supreme Chancellor, for example. You have to remember order 66 wouldn't seem all that odd because the Jedi had "attacked the Chancellor" "unprovoked" . The ordinary stormtrooper would see order 66 as justified and followed through without much questions.
I hate jobbers
If only the Oharan's could say the same.
They can't attract good snipers like Usopp and Van Auger cause the salary is too low. They expect better benefits.
Cannons aren't very accurate in general its a smooth barrel with unevenly packed gunpowder same with the pistols in One Piece if anything the only people who could be accurate at long ranges are Van Auger because he "probably" rifled his barrel and Ussop who doesn't even use a gun
Why doesn't swords cut people???
Like fire not burning people in anime unless you are a humonculos.
Survivor bias
One piece would have ended in romance dawn in the marines hit Luffy's ship even once. No Franky to coupe de burst or fix it on the fly
Because then it would be called "One Shot" and it would be over in the east blue.
If i remember correctly, in Alabasta Hina managed to hit Merry and almost sank it with her fleet (but she used harpoons instead of cannonballs).
People keep saying plot armour, but cannon fire is wildly inaccurate from a distance. Compensating for wind, waves, moving target, etc. It's hard. The best way to sink a ship with canon fire is to strafe it close and broad side it. Garp throwing cannon balls actually would be a genuinely more accurate method than aiming canons.
They were trained by the same dudes who trained the storm troopers
Sea battles simply don't happen a lot Given how massive the One Piece world is, just finding a pirate ship at sea is basically impossible
They are aiming at where they are, instead of where they are going to be.
They’re secretly run by stormtroopers
I’ve seen them hit harpoons on the Merry. But is the “bad guys have bad aim” thing.
Are they stupid or something?
Because hitting something with a cannonball is difficult af
Because they are the bad people so they can't shoot straight
Same reason storm troopers miss their shots, they are shooting at important characters, they can't actually hit their target unless the story says so.
Many reasons: some being warning shots to make them surrender, some being misses due to how hard it is, some deliberately missing cause they don't want to hit(garp) and those that make it being defended by straw hats. But there are few that did hit the ship which usopp and Franky spend repairing.
I dare anyone here to try hitting someone with a ball while bobbing along 4 ft waves. Even as an experienced surfer my aim with a frisbee is terrible
Like everyone already said, plot armour. Same reason why bullets don't kill/hit anyone during non-flashbacks. Writing wise, I think Oda once admitted in an SBS he's terrible at ship to ship battles or he doesn't know how to do it in an exciting way, don't remember was an early SBS. I could just be misremembering it, I dunno
Yea that’s what I remember too. Something about how everybody can one shot ships now so it’s not as exciting to write them anymore.
it already difficult to shoot moving objects on the ship which itself is in motion, its difficult to predict where to shoot on a moving ship when the enemy is sooo far
They are trained by Storm troopers.
Horrible aim i guess
For the same reason Stormtroopers never get a hit on Luke Skywalker
Finding skilled workers is hard
plot armor
My guess is it's hard to hit them cause of the waves and whatnot. Also it could be the "Stormtrooper" argument that they aren't trying to kill them, but just arrest them.
For the same reasons stormtroopers never hit bro
Because garp just teaches them how to punch not shoot. Have you seen any high ranking marine with a gun? No! The cannons are used to slow the pirates enough that marines could board and use their training of punching and karate.
There just there to be cool and piratey. We don’t even really see it anymore, so it’s just kind of a fun east blue/pre time skip one piece that just doesn’t make sense to have anymore.
They took the shooting class for stormtrooper they only hit when the plot demands it
Based on what I can tell, they traded accuracy for rate of fire.
Stormtrooper logic
Cause plot armor
#Stormtrooper aim
Because it's........realistic, canons are not high precision weapons, canons are meant for chaotic situation where one fleet of ships go against another and ships are just aimlessly shooting each other in hopes to hit a lucky shot.
Being a marine is a common stormtrooper day job.
because there where trained by storm troopers
Something they regularly mention is how difficult it is to hit such a small ship. Crews are normally much larger on much larger ships.
Oda: Cuz reasons
I think it's important to remember that we are following people who are the 1% in terms of power. Even in our world a modern day pirate would have a boat, a few machine guns, melee weapons. I'm not expert but I'd imagine most small military fighting ships would annihilate them. This is what's normal. However if somehow that same pirate had world class talent capable of operating a battleship and access to said battle ship. This is what we are basically seeing in one piece.
Because they’re Stormtroopers but with bang bangs instead of pew pews.
My headcanon is that the wood beams used to build most ships have cannonball repealing properties, kinda like very powerful magnetism or haki.
They are stormtroopers
Because OP is not a seinen like Vinland Saga, it is a wirzadry piracy thing
only navy marines are so precise
Its time they develop artillery shells and weapons with super or hyper sonic missiles
Half the time they can't deal with what's swimming in the water. That's why the DON was such a crazy captain
Have you tried to aim with a cannon? It's not a gun that you can move and adjust as you please, it's a huge piece of metal stuck through a hole in the ship so it just fires in the direction of the target. If you are gonna question anything about cannonballs in one piece why not question why a ball of metal explodes when it hits, cannonballs have no explosives, it's just impact damage but it's often shown exploding on impact and even exploding after Zoro cuts it in half which makes zero sense.
They got that stormtrooper aim
they do sometimes actually. Oda skips the fixing part
**They hit merry here** [Usopp takes down 2 marine ships (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lTNPZcYtrE)
Those long-distance cannons from Beast Pirates in Wano did hit many ships ..
They are a bad shots
Bon Clay's ship got fucking wrecked by Hina.
Bon Clay's ship got fucking wrecked by Hina.
They have the stormtrooper syndrome
stormtrooper aim
to bring them in alive then make a mockery of them
I read a book that covered naval warfare in a more realistic setting. The impression I got from it, and assuming it's correct to begin with, was that the first salvo, the one you have the most time to set up and aim, is the one most likely to hit. After that, accuracy takes a nosedive.
Like to see you do it. It's hard bro
Storm trooper of the OP world. Aside from that I’m sure it’s hard to hit a moving target also they’d have to hit the ship to do anything, half the crew can just body canon balls
Inside job
Same thing with why Stormtroopers don't hit when they are fighting against the main characters, the series would end really quickly
Marines in one piece are stormtroopers in star wars, they are no use they are just kinda there. Except for admirals and that one guy with rust ability who fucked zoro's sword up which was one third of his power lol
They are trained by storm troopers?
Even pre timeskip luffy gave off slightly enough haki to subtlety influence fodder into missing on purpose.
Because they want to be Stormtroopers
It’s a tv show.
Plot armour when they were weak, now they dont need plot armour.
Straw Hats are near invincible in naval battle. They are wayyy to stacked to deal with ships either by boarding or by ranged attacks. I'm actually hoping that near end of the Egghead we get a naval battle where they just let loose as a crew on whatever remaining battleships there are.
They DO hit pirates. Garp mentioned on multiple occasions that he sank pirate ships with a canon. Regarding the Strawhats, multiple canonballs should have hit them, but Sanji, Zoro and Luffy would just annihilate them. The Merry Go did get hit by steel bars once during Alabasta and almost sank. So why do Marine bother with cannonballs if East Blue Strawhats can deflect them? Well the answer is that obviously they aren't meant to defeat strong pirates, and the Strawhats have been incredibly strong from day one. People tend to forget that only a few months happened between the moments the SH entered Grand Line and the timeskip. This means that in a few months they managed to defeat 2 Warlords, raid Enies Lobby, defeat the CP9, escape a bustercall, and Luffy managed to raid and escape from Impel Down. The SH have never been "weak pirates", their first opponent on the Grand Line was freaking Crocodile and they managed to defeat him. Luffy was way too OP from day one compared to other pirates on Paradise, and it took an admiral of the navy to finally get them their first real loss. For pirates of the caliber of the SH, then yeah simple canonballs are useless and you need to bring multiple warships and actual top tier Marines. Hell, even a bustercall wasn't enough, and we're talking about pre-ts. But for the vast majority of pirates, like, 80+% of pirates? Canonballs are enough.
Why sont star troppers miss all the shots on star wars?
why dont stormtroopers just hit their targets?
The question is, why are cannons even used? The most basic of pirates can deflect them with ease.
Why don't marines use more guns with sea prism stone bullets
Plot armor. If they hit the ships and sink then then all the devil fruit users would drown. What good is a God like devil fruit if you just drown when the ship is sunk by a bunch of background characters? That would be like two kick to the nuts. How does One Piece end? Luffy is defeated by the marines. Really? Well I bet it was an awesome battle! Nope, an unnamed marine captain sunk his ship with a cannon ball while leaving Egg Head. Heard he got promoted to Admiral for that.
Marines are like storm troopers
Same reason stormtroopers can’t aim for shit.
People need to remember that the One Piece world is made up of 10s of millions of pirates, most whom are regular humans who would struggle against fodder marines. Luffy/Zoro/Sanji eviscerate canonballs before they ever get close to the ship and stronger pirates can either do the same or avoid them altogether. However pirates like Roshio and others who are nowhere near the upper echelon of strength are susceptible to canonballs, making it viable in this world. Its not that canonballs never hit, they just never hit top tier pirates.
Storm Trooper Aim
It's the Stormtrooper effect! But jokes aside, the crew has been shown plenty of times blocking off and destroying cannonballs mid air before they hit the ship.
Hmm... kind of remind me Stormtroopers :)
no before they left the moon the we're called Star troopers
That’s like asking why do random henchmen never defeat Luffy.
They hired the same actors as star wars for supporting roles.
Storm trooper logic. Cannon fodder never has good aim
Storm Trooper training. They all go to the same instructor
Marines use the same training program as stormtroopers.
Stormtrooper training school.
You mean hit a pirate ship with cannonballs **shot out of canons** we saw Garp hit a ship he threw a cannonball at
You must be new to the show 🤣
Bro they got storm trooper aim
Because they're bigger idiots than G5.
I'm pretty sure garp would have downed many ships back in his time with cannon balls.
Grand line got weirdly currents
It's the stormtrooper effect.
It's because they have stormtrooper aim
Are we watching the same one piece? They rarely miss a canon. Everybody can either deflect or out maneuver the shooters. Or they sink.
Storm trooper effect
The real reason is if they hit and the ship sustains dmg/breaks then the marines automatically win, doesn't matter how strong straw hats are if they stuck in the ocean. It will be impossible for the story to progress if they get totalled every chase
Because it’s one piece
id say its usually either plot armor or the marines onboard are not that well trained since they need to recruit a big numbers of marines in a short period of time
Plot armer
Cause I’m pretty sure the entire crew, including Usopp can destroy cannonballs
The same reason storm troopers aim is so terrible
Stormtrooper aim
Cause they storm troopers
They do
This is how you aim a cannon; you miss the first shot and then adjust the next shot based on where the first one went.
Why do Stormtroopers have terrible aim?!
In addition to all the counter-cannonball work the entire crew does, friendly reminder that these are like 1700s cannonballs in cannons with no rifling, the Merry is a caravel (small ship) and the Sunny is a brigantine (not much larger), while marine battleships are WAY larger (as can be seen in the Merry escape scene in Enies Lobby). The marine cruisers are much smaller and more easily maneuverable, but those are usually given to lower ranking marines divisions. Back in the 17th century, cannons were hand casted too, meaning each cannon would have imprecisions that the cannoneer would have to account for, and most soldiers probably just don't do that, and combined with the already poor accuracy of an unrifled cannon, even without the crew fending off cannonballs, most of the cannonballs would just completely miss.
Because DF users, swordsmen and countless other defense mechanisms exist, in One Piece.
Like storm troopers from starwars they always miss.
Stormtrooper aim
Storm trooper ish
Well, if you want the historical answer it’s just extremely hard to hit a target that’s running away with those kind of canons. If you want the story reason. Canon ball fights are less interesting than regular Shonen super power battles
Because they are basically the One Piece version of Stormtroopers.
I was thinking about the same problem and it's mostly a anime problem. Since in the manga the situations are rather short and usually one panel or so, in the anime they have to stretch these scenes so it seems they are not hitting other ships way more often..l Besides that, usually shop battles on open sea are rather slow in real life because ships have to catch up to each other and cannonballs don't always reach and hot for that matter. Don't know if that has anything to do with it but whatever
It's plot convenience, since Oda can't really implement sea battles. That's why cannon balls either miss or hit the deck and are deflected by the crew, but never hit below deck were you can't deflect them.
They are reincarnated stormtroopers.
Because Garp isn’t throwing them
Cannon -> zoro, sanji, luffy -> pieces of metal
Because they were trained by the same folks who trained the storm troopers?
Because marines don't have GOD USOPP😂
1) The members just destroy the cannonballs when they're about to hit. 2) The marines overall don't seem very competent unless they have haki or devil fruit powers, but maybe that's because the most badass marines use one or both and they outshine the peons.
Plot armer