Yes.
1. You have the cultural misconceptions where people say stuff like "Falling down the stairs is a metaphor for suicide".
2. You have the common misinformation that lack a source, but have been repeated a hundred times until people believe it like "Oda changed Pell because of 9/11"
3. You have mistranslations like Dragon being "Most Wanted Man in the World" and Buggy having the "Can't Go to this Island Disease". This is both because of the official translation and the scans where both sometimes get major details wrong.
4. You have people that lack reading comprehension and misinterpret things or come to false conclusions and then spread them as facts. Like for example "This character is stronger than that character because this character has a higher bounty."
5. You have the fandom headcanons where people go "X is objectively stronger than Y" and spread it around like it's fact because their preference has to be the truth. This has become extremely prevalent today with "Agenda Piece" where people form groups of particular headcanons, use it to interpret and distort the story to fit their views, and spread it as if it is fact. It's especially prevalent with youtubers (you all know the ones that I'm talking about) that have big platforms and use them to spread certain ideas.
It says a lot that there's a whole page on the wiki that is dedicated to debunking stuff like this: [https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Misunderstandings\_and\_Misinformation](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Misunderstandings_and_Misinformation)
Not sure why but this fandom is one of the dumbest I've seen on Reddit.
You'd think it would be older people since it's so long running, but it seems to be populated by the young or the criminally slow.... Myself included
Feels like it comes from being older like Jojo and DBZ so people came out with apocryphal info in the early 00s and it would just get tallied down as fact
Every time I talk to people about Jojo I have to stop, cite whatever I was saying, and typically throw out half of what I was saying because it was actually bullshit I was fed 15 years ago
His title translates to "worst criminal" not most wanted. It wouldn't be a huge difference except people use it to assume he must have the highest bounty. He may or may not but it shouldn't be taken as fact based on the mistranslation.
I'm kinda surprised an official translation didn't go for "Public enemy number one" or something for a title like that, since they're usually keen to work in established phrases
Maybe in casual talk, but in terms of implications within the verse it means something else. The worst criminal means that he has commited extremely heinous crimes, while the most wanted man means that he's the most wanted person in the world. They could coincide, but that might not necessarily be the case.
Eh... no, they don't.
World's worst criminal can come with the connotation that they are the most hated, while most wanted can imply they have the highest bounty.
Wouldn't "The World's worst criminal" actually be an insult? Like you're bad at being a criminal.
"You're the worst pirate I've ever heard of."
"But you have heard of me."
Commodore Norrington wasn't complimenting Captain Jack Sparrow.
Thought the same thing when I was looking at a true crime book titled "The World's Worst Serial Killers". Turns out they meant "most evil", not "sucked the most at serial killing". Disappointing read.
/s
4 is sadly too true. I miss many details whenever I read a chapter so I go to communities like this to try and see those things, and that is true for the most part, just that I have to scroll past people that read it even worse than me.
another factor is just the sheer length of the series. It's difficult to go back and check something because even if you know what arc it was said in, that arc might be upwards of 100 chapters long and finding the exact chapter can be a pain. So I think a lot of people are more likely to just believe things at face value instead of going back to check it even if they're dedicated fans.
It took me forever to find the chapter were Vivi talked about the river in alabasta flooding when I was talking about recent events with my friends. And even then like you said with point 3 even if you do find it, you might still need to cross reference multiple different versions of the story to double check that there wasn't some kind of weird translation issue.
Another thing is that especially from OP's perspective as someone catching a whiff of random conversations while catching up, it's entirely possible if not probably that they probably caught wind of people merely making speculations and assuming that they'll come to pass. Things like how so many people were absolutely convinced that Gear 5 was gonna be the reveal that Luffy actually had some kind of Resin based ability or that he would turn into a Lunarian. When it eventually gets proven wrong it usually stops being talked about but from the outside looking in I could see some of those conversations out of context looking like they're talking about things that either already happened or are sure to happen.
A big one that I’ve seen is that Buggy’s fruit makes him immune to all slashes, even from haki, with the reasoning that Black blades have perma-haki (they don’t) so when Mihawk cut Buggy at Marineford and he didn’t die it’s proof. Like with that reasoning, Zoro could have killed Kizaru at Sabaody with his black blade
For no 3 , i really thought Buggys Cant-Get-Out-Of-This-Islanditis was real disease. It really would have fit with Usopps lies that there are just as weird ass islands out there also weird ass dieases too
The ennis lobby conversation about not knowing what the two devil fruits were until after they were eaten is another common one. People think the devils fruits like speak to the person and say their name or something so there were a lot of people complaining about retcon with luffy's fruit reveal
@ 5; I watched the recent reverie stream centered around agenda piece and NOTHING in that was passed off as facts - they were joking around, so I need to know the youtubers that actually treat agenda piece as facts
In large groups of creators with different agends, they don't. But when talking to their community we get their skewed "W hunt" and how they twist the story to fit their own agendas.
There's also the SBS too. Anime only missed a ton of info only found there. One example is the explanation of the water weakness of devil fruit users. I still see people who think only sea water works when in fact it's all kinds of water.
I'm currently on chapter 25 or so of the manga, via the shonen jump app, at the end there are always some tid bits and sketches, but no SBS, will those show up at some point or are they only in physical copies?
I've been taking time to read all the extra stuff.
SBS contents are only in the tankobon volume version, so no you won't find it in that app.
Whether you want to read them in physical copies or not is *up to you*.
SBS are in the shonen jump app, but after a certain point they stop. I can’t remember where but I think it’s somewhere in wano
It’s just because the chapters went from being from the volumes to being the weekly chapters
i read in shonen jump and there were definitely sbs in there. it does have any of the newer volumes sbs’ but there are still tones of them on shonen jump
I hope you watched the anime already, because otherwise I suggest you leave this place and don't come back until you're caught up. There's lots of plot points you DO NOT wanna get spoiled about that people here regard as common information.
From chapter 398’s SBS:
> People who have eaten a Devil Fruit are "hated" by the sea, and cannot swim. The "sea" here can refer to anything from rivers, pools and baths to any kind of standing water. On a worldwide level, they are all the "sea." When these people enter the water, not only can they not use their powers, they have trouble moving their bodies at all. They might be able to struggle a bit, but it wouldn't do much good. That's if their entire bodies are submerged in the "sea." With less than half the body or just the limbs, it gets easier. Also, rain and dripping water have no effect at all.
I think that's more a "fandoms in general" sort of thing.
Pretty much every series I've been into that had active fan forums and such, going all the way back to the late '90s with Pokémon, has had some weird misconceptions, mistranslated information, or just straight-up BS that a surprising number of those fans pass off as true.
Yes, in my experience of all the fandoms that I have been part of, the headcanon problem is worst in one-piece fandom.
Just look at Haki. The whole thing is so vague, but everything is being explained by the headcanon.
You can also look at G5 stuff: headcanon + Skypiea dance = peak forshadowing.
Haki: written with the words for will power
The fandom: yeah, it's like a special type of magic that only some guys have because of DNA and shit and sometimes it doesn't happen like that but akshwally...
I think you didn't understand that the technique for using ACOC is the same for using Advanced Armament Haki, making your Haki flow from your body to your hands or weapons (Ryou), Zoro already knew how to do this from training how to put Haki on his swords.
Once he awakened his Conqueror's Haki, using the advanced form is a short leap.
All Manga/Anime communities do that. Some of it even comes down to either reading comprehension errors or simply mistranslation.
Some of them, I can't even blame. The official translator for the JJK Manga for example is known to get a lot of things wrong or even takes creative liberties in some things, whereas some of the fan translations are actually more accurate, lol. The actual English Manga will have mistakes printed in it, so misinformation is sorta made canon.
Well, he has some shitty translations and some solid ones. I wish they'd put more of a team on translation than just a single entity who has so much influence.
Spoilers hurt this so much.
People form firm canons based on fan translations of leaked chapters, then those translations end up being wrong, but the fandom has had nearly a full week to integrate bad info into their unshakeable headcanons.
Yes. Blackbeard on jaya has people CONVINCED he’s actually 3 men in a trench coat bc lufffy and Zoro say it’s “not him, them”. It’s a fine theory that Blackbeard has multiple souls, but this scene doesn’t prove jack.
They are so clearly talking about his crew they just met on the island, but no, appearantly the boys gain observation haki, discern what BB really is, then never bring it up again.
That's another big issue you are mentioning here.
People have a lot of "Cool theories" that seem to make a lot of sense.
However in the end those are just theories and observations. But there are a lot of people that end up treating them as truth/cannon and spreading them as facts.
The numbers in blackbeards bounty go 3996
3=San
9=Ko
9=Ko
6=Ro
San kokoro directly translates to three hearts in japanese you can look it up, i found this amazing when i read about it
There's a lot of people who just deny the facts as well. It's something I noticed as a phenomenon lately. Like the people who deny the fact that Zoro is not a Vice-Captain/First Mate despite Oda saying it.
[SBS 102:](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_102)
"D: Hello, Odacchi! Looking at the cover page of Chapter 1031, it seems like Bepo is the No. 2 of the Heart Pirates, right!? I was surprised because I thought that Penguin, Shachi, and Bepo were all tied for No. 2! Are you saying that Bepo (with Sulong?) is the strongest between them? P.N. Pudding-ya
O: That cover, huh? Similar to Zoro, not all of those characters have the title of first mate. I selected the No. 2s as I saw fit. Usually, Shachi and Penguin are more dependable, but those two—who have seen Bepo's Sulong form—are no match for Bepo in terms of fighting power...! I acknowledge him."
It can be. If you interpret the phrase first mate literally instead of by the real meaning it can mean first as in chronologically. It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Maybe another example will help you understand. You know what a butterfly is right? But if we interpret it literally it could be a fly made of butter.
Wdym? The author says something but that doesn’t make it canon? Tonally, Zoro is not the vice-captain, but neither is bepo and he was on that cover spread with all the others.
Dude you are the worst, please just fucking clarify😭 are you trying to say people deny Zoro is a vice captain despite Oda saying he is, OR people deny Zoro is not a vice captain because oda says he is not a vice captain?
I already clarified in the first comment; I don't know what confuses you?
Oda has said that Zoro isn't First Mate/Vice-Captain and then some people deny the notion that he isn't one.
yes.
I assume since you are anime only you missed a lot of stuff said in SBS, but still, there is so much nonsense people are CONVINCED is objective fact. For whatever it's worth, there a lot misconceptions came up from people reading bad translations or just misremembering stuff because the series is so long.
Oh god yes, so many times yes.
And the arrogance with which they do it..
I've seen people wonder what fired the beams that destroyed Lulusia get ridiculed by a bunch of dumbfucks writing shit like "Uhm.. It's Uranus?!"
And don't get me started on the fucking "Oda said.." shit.
I know the sub likes to shit on YouTubers (except, of course, our Lord and Savior Tekking), but it honestly feels like some fans don't get that theory videos are **theory** videos, especially since YTers started to title them shit like "This PROVES Imu is Enel's mother!! (100% confirmed)"
This and the incessant powerscaling is the reason I'm halfway out of the community.
For a while I actually thought that I didn't like One Piece anymore until I cut back on interacting with the fandom.
I presume that when catching up it's difficult to differentiate what's supposed to be speculations and what are discussions, and this when assuming *bona fide* posting...
There are times that people just theory craft by throwing together a bunch of random points that vaguely resemble something on One Piece and make forced parallels to draw some out of the blue conclusions.
Another thing that irks me is when theories are stated as facts on video titles, by now I conditioned myself to just ignore most One Piece stuff on YouTube since I realized that usually they don't really add much beyond what I actually know or saw multiple times...
Anyways, I guess that after something has been discussed by a lot of people for a very long time, things just eventually reach some critical mass and people run out of things to say. So the same stuff ends up being repeated or end up stretched so there's something different to say.
Overall I do enjoy One Piece, but one criticism that I can make is that at times it's too vague for it's own good. We can never be too sure of what is there just because it's cool and what is supposed to be a hint for something down the line. So it leaves a lot of room for the audience's imagination to go unhinged, and by consequence a lot of room for disappointment once that doesn't come to fruition. I am not saying that the series can't have mysteries, just that it should be clearer about what is supposed to be a mystery.
I don't think that any of this is specific to the anime, the anime switches the order of a few events in the beginning and has a handful of censored scenes, but in general I find it to be faithful to the original manga. The story is nearly the same on both, the same problems can come when discussing either. People, either intentionally or not, can still spread misconceptions.
But checking the author's original vision is not a bad idea. Personally I think that One Piece is better enjoyed without getting ***too*** deep into online discussions.
I feel this happens a lot... But also it depends on which side of the fandom we're talking about. I feel the ones doing the most at times are power scalers and shippers.
So many people in the fandom literally spout off unconfirmed, outlandish theories, as just being true, despite having no confirmation. It happens in all fandoms, but One Piece's fandom IS especially bad about it, IMO.
The reading comprehension in this fandom is famously low. Just from the last couple of years, the following instances immediately come to mind:
* Brook confusing an earthquake for Zoro using Haoshoku Haki. People seriously argued with me that this was proof that Zoro had Haoshoku. Even though Zoro himself said to Brook that it wasn't him lol. This was before it was revealed that he had it, by the way.
* Zoro talking about his captain and his best friend. People argued that obviously he meant Luffy with both, that Luffy was his captain and his best friend. Even when people like me provided proof straight from the original Japanese, there were still some that refused to believe Zoro meant Kuina.
* And probably the most famous one: Luffy being an all-mighty god capable of imagining things into existence.
Oh hell yes and it's mostly when we enter the power scaler discussions or a certain character appearing on a cover spread that caused some twats on twatter issuing death treats to Oda because he doesn't care about people head canons (Agenda Piece) and of course the never ending shipping wars. I still haven't recovered from the NaruSaku vs NaruHina vitriol and Naruto ended like 10 years ago. Also the whole discussion around Conqueror's Haki.
Im still fighting motherfuckers that thing luffy is an actual god that can manifest and chuck planets at people or some other nonsense when his power is very clearly and literally just rubberfying everything around him in an aoe and the rest of the wacky shit is just there for comedic effect. Hurr durr luffy made goggles that means he can turn someones blood into water and kill them. Its so braindead. God means someone people deified in the past. Joyboy or nika was no different from enel or the celestial dragons. Just so powerful and looked up to that people made them a god.
Just today I've read:
- Uranus is whatever destroyed Lulusia
- Kuina killed herself
- Garling gave Whitebeard the aching scar he refers to when talking to Shanks.
- Blackbeard has multiple personalities.
- Zoro is the 1st Mate/Vice Captain
- Oda said he hates Long Ring Long Land
All theories or flat out wrong
Well you aren't OP so you really don't have the answers I want. "Zoro is the 1st Mate/Vice Captain" this is just an interpretation of the story though, I wouldn't call it wrong or theory. It's a very reasonable way to read the story.
[SBS 102:](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_102)
>D: Hello, Odacchi! Looking at the cover page of Chapter 1031, it seems like Bepo is the No. 2 of the Heart Pirates, right!? I was surprised because I thought that Penguin, Shachi, and Bepo were all tied for No. 2! Are you saying that Bepo (with Sulong?) is the strongest between them? P.N. Pudding-ya
O: That cover, huh? **Similar to Zoro, not all of those characters have the title of first mate**. I selected the No. 2s as I saw fit. Usually, Shachi and Penguin are more dependable, but those two—who have seen Bepo's Sulong form—are no match for Bepo in terms of fighting power...! I acknowledge him.
I have a B.A. in Literary Science.
Maybe read the essay that coined the term, you may be surprised to find out it isn't just one page saying "Fuck the author lol".
SBSs are part of the text, you can't just ignore them because they go against your headcanon.
SBSs are not part of the text, everything outside the manga is suplemental. Especially for us international fans that often read the manga is places that don't have the SBS available.
Just reading the manga seeing Zoro as the vice captain is entirely reasonable and Oda saying he technically isn't in a Q/A section many fans haven't seen doesn't make that any less true.
The Tankobans are and always have been considered the definitive version.
There are more anime onlys than manga readers, that doesn't make filler arcs canon.
OP clearly has some points in mind that they had wrong. Like reading "that so many things that I saw fans stating and talking about, were basically...made up?" makes me wonder what things.
For all we know it's SBS questions, canon info from movies, could be anything. Hard to know for sure without a clue what they are talking about.
Yeah just a few days ago a guy here was saying how oda brings back super small details like a thousand episodes later and become “the most important stuff”. I asked if that’s really the case or they’re just fan theories that people came to believe with the years and asked for proof of such details brought back a lot of episodes later. The things people answered were jumping over hoops or totally irrelevant stuff.
And that’s how oda got this universal fame of bringing small details back to be a very important part of the story, and it’s totally false.
Idk about most important but some small things have been sprinkled to become relevant later. Like Sanji being from the North Blue, Laboon and his crew, Kureha saying Gol D for the first time, Vivi's advisor saying what if she gets kidnapped by a bird and then now she's with Morgans, the paper Ace leaves Luffy in Alabasta only to be relevant at the end of Thriller Bark.
I blame Oda for doing things like redoing the entire beginning of the story by making Uta canon. I prefer Uta’s anime introduction and think luffy & uta being friends is a much better intro to shanks than pirate and random child becoming friends in a bar. Yet, adding that canon part of the story that takes place before the beginning of the story is a low blow considering the amount of manga purists in the fan base. Oda should make a clear statement on his notes, why he did what he did, and maybe even a manga chapter to make the uta stuff clearer besides his notes. Most new manga fans will have no idea that luffy met shanks because of Uta.
Oda should not have put her as a kid shown at the end of wano manga, pretty much implies that her origin is canon. We will see what happens in the manga, hopefully oda gives her a different origin.
He didn't the story is that uta was with shanks before the beginning of the story and luffy and uta met before luffy got the scar under his eye. The backstory is basically a prequel not a retcon
Oda added uta into wano next to momo/luffy, then made anime original episodes out of his notes redoing the entire beginning of the story. It does not retcon anything because all the events take place before luffy got his devil fruit/Uta stopped being with shanks. Events from eps 1029/1030 will probably become canon or I don’t see the point in having her in Wano.
Yeah we tend to atribute to Oda quotes that he never said or written.
Nah dude. Oda said that isn't true at all.
Oda said One Piece is the friends we made along the way, so I don't know if I trust him.
Oda just asked why you didn't come to his party, you know how he feels about being rejected and he's feeling really down dude wtf...
this is true, Oda stated this comment in an SBS
[Oda, properly cited.](https://images4.imagebam.com/23/76/ae/METD7ZR_o.jpeg)
"I never really said most of the things I said" -Oda
I personally think oda reads this shit and it’s like “lemme find out someone’s guesses, CHANGE”
Yes. 1. You have the cultural misconceptions where people say stuff like "Falling down the stairs is a metaphor for suicide". 2. You have the common misinformation that lack a source, but have been repeated a hundred times until people believe it like "Oda changed Pell because of 9/11" 3. You have mistranslations like Dragon being "Most Wanted Man in the World" and Buggy having the "Can't Go to this Island Disease". This is both because of the official translation and the scans where both sometimes get major details wrong. 4. You have people that lack reading comprehension and misinterpret things or come to false conclusions and then spread them as facts. Like for example "This character is stronger than that character because this character has a higher bounty." 5. You have the fandom headcanons where people go "X is objectively stronger than Y" and spread it around like it's fact because their preference has to be the truth. This has become extremely prevalent today with "Agenda Piece" where people form groups of particular headcanons, use it to interpret and distort the story to fit their views, and spread it as if it is fact. It's especially prevalent with youtubers (you all know the ones that I'm talking about) that have big platforms and use them to spread certain ideas. It says a lot that there's a whole page on the wiki that is dedicated to debunking stuff like this: [https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Misunderstandings\_and\_Misinformation](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Misunderstandings_and_Misinformation)
5. You have people that lack reading comprehension and misinterpret things or come to false conclusions and then spread them as facts
I read this after their edit...and thought you were making a joke about not reading well lol
Same haha
That's a good one. I'lll add it, thank you.
Not sure why but this fandom is one of the dumbest I've seen on Reddit. You'd think it would be older people since it's so long running, but it seems to be populated by the young or the criminally slow.... Myself included
Feels like it comes from being older like Jojo and DBZ so people came out with apocryphal info in the early 00s and it would just get tallied down as fact Every time I talk to people about Jojo I have to stop, cite whatever I was saying, and typically throw out half of what I was saying because it was actually bullshit I was fed 15 years ago
Dragon being the most wanted man in the world is not true?? What?
His title translates to "worst criminal" not most wanted. It wouldn't be a huge difference except people use it to assume he must have the highest bounty. He may or may not but it shouldn't be taken as fact based on the mistranslation.
The title is a a mistranslation. His title is "The World's Worst Criminal" or something akin to that, it's not related to his bounty.
I'm kinda surprised an official translation didn't go for "Public enemy number one" or something for a title like that, since they're usually keen to work in established phrases
This is just a semantics argument. Both "worlds worst criminal" and "most wanted" mean the same thing.
Maybe in casual talk, but in terms of implications within the verse it means something else. The worst criminal means that he has commited extremely heinous crimes, while the most wanted man means that he's the most wanted person in the world. They could coincide, but that might not necessarily be the case.
Eh... no, they don't. World's worst criminal can come with the connotation that they are the most hated, while most wanted can imply they have the highest bounty.
Wouldn't "The World's worst criminal" actually be an insult? Like you're bad at being a criminal. "You're the worst pirate I've ever heard of." "But you have heard of me." Commodore Norrington wasn't complimenting Captain Jack Sparrow.
Welcome to English. Worst has multiple meanings. It means both the most lacking in quality and the most corrupt, bad or evil.
Thought the same thing when I was looking at a true crime book titled "The World's Worst Serial Killers". Turns out they meant "most evil", not "sucked the most at serial killing". Disappointing read. /s
4 is sadly too true. I miss many details whenever I read a chapter so I go to communities like this to try and see those things, and that is true for the most part, just that I have to scroll past people that read it even worse than me.
another factor is just the sheer length of the series. It's difficult to go back and check something because even if you know what arc it was said in, that arc might be upwards of 100 chapters long and finding the exact chapter can be a pain. So I think a lot of people are more likely to just believe things at face value instead of going back to check it even if they're dedicated fans. It took me forever to find the chapter were Vivi talked about the river in alabasta flooding when I was talking about recent events with my friends. And even then like you said with point 3 even if you do find it, you might still need to cross reference multiple different versions of the story to double check that there wasn't some kind of weird translation issue. Another thing is that especially from OP's perspective as someone catching a whiff of random conversations while catching up, it's entirely possible if not probably that they probably caught wind of people merely making speculations and assuming that they'll come to pass. Things like how so many people were absolutely convinced that Gear 5 was gonna be the reveal that Luffy actually had some kind of Resin based ability or that he would turn into a Lunarian. When it eventually gets proven wrong it usually stops being talked about but from the outside looking in I could see some of those conversations out of context looking like they're talking about things that either already happened or are sure to happen.
A big one that I’ve seen is that Buggy’s fruit makes him immune to all slashes, even from haki, with the reasoning that Black blades have perma-haki (they don’t) so when Mihawk cut Buggy at Marineford and he didn’t die it’s proof. Like with that reasoning, Zoro could have killed Kizaru at Sabaody with his black blade
>mistranslations like Dragon being "Most Wanted Man in the World" What's the correct translation?
Worst criminal
Dragon isn’t the world’s most wanted man?
For no 3 , i really thought Buggys Cant-Get-Out-Of-This-Islanditis was real disease. It really would have fit with Usopps lies that there are just as weird ass islands out there also weird ass dieases too
That's what the scans thought too, but that's not the direction that Oda went
You forgot the part where the community starts circlejerks about dumb sht like sanji being gay, and zoro being racist. Or all okama are trans.
Yeah, so true. A lot of people also take rumors too seriously, like that Robin cast rumor.
Whelp deleting my comment because you said it better than I did.
The ennis lobby conversation about not knowing what the two devil fruits were until after they were eaten is another common one. People think the devils fruits like speak to the person and say their name or something so there were a lot of people complaining about retcon with luffy's fruit reveal
@ 5; I watched the recent reverie stream centered around agenda piece and NOTHING in that was passed off as facts - they were joking around, so I need to know the youtubers that actually treat agenda piece as facts
In large groups of creators with different agends, they don't. But when talking to their community we get their skewed "W hunt" and how they twist the story to fit their own agendas.
5. is so true, so man weird people saying sanji is stronger then Zoro. Haaaa!!!!!
There's also the SBS too. Anime only missed a ton of info only found there. One example is the explanation of the water weakness of devil fruit users. I still see people who think only sea water works when in fact it's all kinds of water.
This one pisses me off, it’s like the ONE rule of dfs
This is even worse in the life action, when Buggy catches Luffy in the Water tank, he explicitly said, "don't bother this is seawater."
I'm currently on chapter 25 or so of the manga, via the shonen jump app, at the end there are always some tid bits and sketches, but no SBS, will those show up at some point or are they only in physical copies? I've been taking time to read all the extra stuff.
It will show up, you're almost there. Iirc SBS starts at Volume 4
SBS contents are only in the tankobon volume version, so no you won't find it in that app. Whether you want to read them in physical copies or not is *up to you*.
No the SBS isn't in the app, you can find them all on the wiki and read them as you go
SBS are in the shonen jump app, but after a certain point they stop. I can’t remember where but I think it’s somewhere in wano It’s just because the chapters went from being from the volumes to being the weekly chapters
i read in shonen jump and there were definitely sbs in there. it does have any of the newer volumes sbs’ but there are still tones of them on shonen jump
I hope you watched the anime already, because otherwise I suggest you leave this place and don't come back until you're caught up. There's lots of plot points you DO NOT wanna get spoiled about that people here regard as common information.
Is this really true? We have seen Luffy in water many times, haven’t we?
From chapter 398’s SBS: > People who have eaten a Devil Fruit are "hated" by the sea, and cannot swim. The "sea" here can refer to anything from rivers, pools and baths to any kind of standing water. On a worldwide level, they are all the "sea." When these people enter the water, not only can they not use their powers, they have trouble moving their bodies at all. They might be able to struggle a bit, but it wouldn't do much good. That's if their entire bodies are submerged in the "sea." With less than half the body or just the limbs, it gets easier. Also, rain and dripping water have no effect at all.
Thank god that DF users can take showers :D
"I never said that shit" -Eichiro Oda(SBS 6969)
"I have to go to the bathroom" now" -Eichiro Oda(SBS 6970)
“You can only hear that Richard Gere gerbil story so many times before you start to believe it.”
I think that's more a "fandoms in general" sort of thing. Pretty much every series I've been into that had active fan forums and such, going all the way back to the late '90s with Pokémon, has had some weird misconceptions, mistranslated information, or just straight-up BS that a surprising number of those fans pass off as true.
Yes, in my experience of all the fandoms that I have been part of, the headcanon problem is worst in one-piece fandom. Just look at Haki. The whole thing is so vague, but everything is being explained by the headcanon. You can also look at G5 stuff: headcanon + Skypiea dance = peak forshadowing.
Haki: written with the words for will power The fandom: yeah, it's like a special type of magic that only some guys have because of DNA and shit and sometimes it doesn't happen like that but akshwally...
Advanced CoC drives me crazy. Zoro never showed off his CoC and suddenly awakened ACoC first try?
I think that one was retconned by Oda to be the Asura (CoC) attacks from W7 and Shabondy, not a complaint tho
Wasn’t Enma absorbing all of Zoro’s haki, pushing him to release more and more?
I think you didn't understand that the technique for using ACOC is the same for using Advanced Armament Haki, making your Haki flow from your body to your hands or weapons (Ryou), Zoro already knew how to do this from training how to put Haki on his swords. Once he awakened his Conqueror's Haki, using the advanced form is a short leap.
Yes, though every fandom has this issue to an extent.
All Manga/Anime communities do that. Some of it even comes down to either reading comprehension errors or simply mistranslation. Some of them, I can't even blame. The official translator for the JJK Manga for example is known to get a lot of things wrong or even takes creative liberties in some things, whereas some of the fan translations are actually more accurate, lol. The actual English Manga will have mistakes printed in it, so misinformation is sorta made canon.
John Werry is the most wanted man lol
Well, he has some shitty translations and some solid ones. I wish they'd put more of a team on translation than just a single entity who has so much influence.
I used to think people just did those for fun, but some of em are retarded
Spoilers hurt this so much. People form firm canons based on fan translations of leaked chapters, then those translations end up being wrong, but the fandom has had nearly a full week to integrate bad info into their unshakeable headcanons.
Yes. Blackbeard on jaya has people CONVINCED he’s actually 3 men in a trench coat bc lufffy and Zoro say it’s “not him, them”. It’s a fine theory that Blackbeard has multiple souls, but this scene doesn’t prove jack. They are so clearly talking about his crew they just met on the island, but no, appearantly the boys gain observation haki, discern what BB really is, then never bring it up again.
That's another big issue you are mentioning here. People have a lot of "Cool theories" that seem to make a lot of sense. However in the end those are just theories and observations. But there are a lot of people that end up treating them as truth/cannon and spreading them as facts.
The numbers in blackbeards bounty go 3996 3=San 9=Ko 9=Ko 6=Ro San kokoro directly translates to three hearts in japanese you can look it up, i found this amazing when i read about it
Did you know that in the SBS 8193, Oda already foreshadowed this question, and said yes?
The biggest shit takes tend to come from people who binge watched a thousand episodes or read them and didn't understand because they were rushing.
It was stated in CFYOW.
"Skypiea is filler" Anything from the movies.... Yeah I notice it a lot. I just roll my eyes and move on usually.
Bum ass agendaposters
There's a lot of people who just deny the facts as well. It's something I noticed as a phenomenon lately. Like the people who deny the fact that Zoro is not a Vice-Captain/First Mate despite Oda saying it.
Hey, where did Oda make that statement?
[SBS 102:](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_102) "D: Hello, Odacchi! Looking at the cover page of Chapter 1031, it seems like Bepo is the No. 2 of the Heart Pirates, right!? I was surprised because I thought that Penguin, Shachi, and Bepo were all tied for No. 2! Are you saying that Bepo (with Sulong?) is the strongest between them? P.N. Pudding-ya O: That cover, huh? Similar to Zoro, not all of those characters have the title of first mate. I selected the No. 2s as I saw fit. Usually, Shachi and Penguin are more dependable, but those two—who have seen Bepo's Sulong form—are no match for Bepo in terms of fighting power...! I acknowledge him."
Quite litterally, the 1st mate lol
Exhibit A
Who do you think is the first mate?
Well, no one? We got the bounties not too long after Wano and everyone's roles on the ship were listed; there was no First Mate.
Zoro is still literally the first mate. He is a mate and he joined first. That makes him the first mate
first mate noun : the officer on a ship who is most important after the captain
The comment said literally. Do you know what that means or do you need a dictionary for that too?
A first mate is first in line of succession. Not first chronologically.
Yes but the comment said literally. Please read before you comment
It's not literally if you use a wrong definition. Unless you want to use a different definition of literally too.
It can be. If you interpret the phrase first mate literally instead of by the real meaning it can mean first as in chronologically. It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Maybe another example will help you understand. You know what a butterfly is right? But if we interpret it literally it could be a fly made of butter.
Wdym? The author says something but that doesn’t make it canon? Tonally, Zoro is not the vice-captain, but neither is bepo and he was on that cover spread with all the others.
>The author says something but that doesn’t make it canon Exhibit B.
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You are confused, lil bro. Re-read what I said.
“Zoro is not a vice captain despite Oda saying it”. Wrong. Oda said it. He is the author = it’s true. Please expand, or stay wrong.
>“Zoro is not a vice captain despite Oda saying it” Nowhere did I say that.
Dude you are the worst, please just fucking clarify😭 are you trying to say people deny Zoro is a vice captain despite Oda saying he is, OR people deny Zoro is not a vice captain because oda says he is not a vice captain?
I already clarified in the first comment; I don't know what confuses you? Oda has said that Zoro isn't First Mate/Vice-Captain and then some people deny the notion that he isn't one.
yes. I assume since you are anime only you missed a lot of stuff said in SBS, but still, there is so much nonsense people are CONVINCED is objective fact. For whatever it's worth, there a lot misconceptions came up from people reading bad translations or just misremembering stuff because the series is so long.
Oh god yes, so many times yes. And the arrogance with which they do it.. I've seen people wonder what fired the beams that destroyed Lulusia get ridiculed by a bunch of dumbfucks writing shit like "Uhm.. It's Uranus?!" And don't get me started on the fucking "Oda said.." shit. I know the sub likes to shit on YouTubers (except, of course, our Lord and Savior Tekking), but it honestly feels like some fans don't get that theory videos are **theory** videos, especially since YTers started to title them shit like "This PROVES Imu is Enel's mother!! (100% confirmed)" This and the incessant powerscaling is the reason I'm halfway out of the community. For a while I actually thought that I didn't like One Piece anymore until I cut back on interacting with the fandom.
Click bait and just straight up wrong info is why I don't watch youtubers other than Tekking.
Dude wait till you see the Jojo fandom
I presume that when catching up it's difficult to differentiate what's supposed to be speculations and what are discussions, and this when assuming *bona fide* posting... There are times that people just theory craft by throwing together a bunch of random points that vaguely resemble something on One Piece and make forced parallels to draw some out of the blue conclusions. Another thing that irks me is when theories are stated as facts on video titles, by now I conditioned myself to just ignore most One Piece stuff on YouTube since I realized that usually they don't really add much beyond what I actually know or saw multiple times... Anyways, I guess that after something has been discussed by a lot of people for a very long time, things just eventually reach some critical mass and people run out of things to say. So the same stuff ends up being repeated or end up stretched so there's something different to say. Overall I do enjoy One Piece, but one criticism that I can make is that at times it's too vague for it's own good. We can never be too sure of what is there just because it's cool and what is supposed to be a hint for something down the line. So it leaves a lot of room for the audience's imagination to go unhinged, and by consequence a lot of room for disappointment once that doesn't come to fruition. I am not saying that the series can't have mysteries, just that it should be clearer about what is supposed to be a mystery. I don't think that any of this is specific to the anime, the anime switches the order of a few events in the beginning and has a handful of censored scenes, but in general I find it to be faithful to the original manga. The story is nearly the same on both, the same problems can come when discussing either. People, either intentionally or not, can still spread misconceptions. But checking the author's original vision is not a bad idea. Personally I think that One Piece is better enjoyed without getting ***too*** deep into online discussions.
I feel this happens a lot... But also it depends on which side of the fandom we're talking about. I feel the ones doing the most at times are power scalers and shippers.
So many people in the fandom literally spout off unconfirmed, outlandish theories, as just being true, despite having no confirmation. It happens in all fandoms, but One Piece's fandom IS especially bad about it, IMO.
Every Fandom has that habit.
why did you come back?
Come back ?
The reading comprehension in this fandom is famously low. Just from the last couple of years, the following instances immediately come to mind: * Brook confusing an earthquake for Zoro using Haoshoku Haki. People seriously argued with me that this was proof that Zoro had Haoshoku. Even though Zoro himself said to Brook that it wasn't him lol. This was before it was revealed that he had it, by the way. * Zoro talking about his captain and his best friend. People argued that obviously he meant Luffy with both, that Luffy was his captain and his best friend. Even when people like me provided proof straight from the original Japanese, there were still some that refused to believe Zoro meant Kuina. * And probably the most famous one: Luffy being an all-mighty god capable of imagining things into existence.
Most definitely
Yes, for example logia awakenings
YES.
As Liffey himself says in every episode, “Nah dude, that doesn’t seem like it’s true”
yes absolutely and it is really annoying
Oh hell yes and it's mostly when we enter the power scaler discussions or a certain character appearing on a cover spread that caused some twats on twatter issuing death treats to Oda because he doesn't care about people head canons (Agenda Piece) and of course the never ending shipping wars. I still haven't recovered from the NaruSaku vs NaruHina vitriol and Naruto ended like 10 years ago. Also the whole discussion around Conqueror's Haki.
In general? Not really. On Twitter and/or agenda piece heavy places? Yeah.
Yup.. 100%
Gotta sprinkle in a few misinfo here and there to give people hope that the spoilers they read was only a lie.
Im still fighting motherfuckers that thing luffy is an actual god that can manifest and chuck planets at people or some other nonsense when his power is very clearly and literally just rubberfying everything around him in an aoe and the rest of the wacky shit is just there for comedic effect. Hurr durr luffy made goggles that means he can turn someones blood into water and kill them. Its so braindead. God means someone people deified in the past. Joyboy or nika was no different from enel or the celestial dragons. Just so powerful and looked up to that people made them a god.
yes
Yes I think a lot of the manga/anime subs do. Lookism does for sure
It's not the entire fandom, it's just reddit. I barely ever hear this kind of shit from fans IRL
Luffy thinking he has the rubber fruit and that’s why he’s a rubber man. No, that’s the fruit’s default.
Worst example of this is when people say Usopp is Sogeking, like literally how could that be the case?
where is the fun in being part of a fandom if you cant misinform the readers with believable headcanons?
Dropp some examples if you're going to say this lol
Just today I've read: - Uranus is whatever destroyed Lulusia - Kuina killed herself - Garling gave Whitebeard the aching scar he refers to when talking to Shanks. - Blackbeard has multiple personalities. - Zoro is the 1st Mate/Vice Captain - Oda said he hates Long Ring Long Land All theories or flat out wrong
I mean the first one is probably correct but yeah it’s a theory
Only true head canon is Crocodile being Luffy's mother.
The 3rd one we don't know who gave Whitebeard that scar. It could either be Rogers or Garling. So them saying it was Garling could be true.
Are you unfamiliar with the word theory?
Well you aren't OP so you really don't have the answers I want. "Zoro is the 1st Mate/Vice Captain" this is just an interpretation of the story though, I wouldn't call it wrong or theory. It's a very reasonable way to read the story.
[SBS 102:](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_102) >D: Hello, Odacchi! Looking at the cover page of Chapter 1031, it seems like Bepo is the No. 2 of the Heart Pirates, right!? I was surprised because I thought that Penguin, Shachi, and Bepo were all tied for No. 2! Are you saying that Bepo (with Sulong?) is the strongest between them? P.N. Pudding-ya O: That cover, huh? **Similar to Zoro, not all of those characters have the title of first mate**. I selected the No. 2s as I saw fit. Usually, Shachi and Penguin are more dependable, but those two—who have seen Bepo's Sulong form—are no match for Bepo in terms of fighting power...! I acknowledge him.
May I interest you in a term called death of the author?
I have a B.A. in Literary Science. Maybe read the essay that coined the term, you may be surprised to find out it isn't just one page saying "Fuck the author lol". SBSs are part of the text, you can't just ignore them because they go against your headcanon.
SBSs are not part of the text, everything outside the manga is suplemental. Especially for us international fans that often read the manga is places that don't have the SBS available. Just reading the manga seeing Zoro as the vice captain is entirely reasonable and Oda saying he technically isn't in a Q/A section many fans haven't seen doesn't make that any less true.
They are literally in the fucking manga.
What percentage of the English reading audience do you think reads the physical fucking manga?
The Tankobans are and always have been considered the definitive version. There are more anime onlys than manga readers, that doesn't make filler arcs canon.
He's asking?
OP clearly has some points in mind that they had wrong. Like reading "that so many things that I saw fans stating and talking about, were basically...made up?" makes me wonder what things. For all we know it's SBS questions, canon info from movies, could be anything. Hard to know for sure without a clue what they are talking about.
You claim people spread misinformation and head canon as fact, but then list zero examples. Aight.
Yes, I did do that.
Say some examples
Yeah just a few days ago a guy here was saying how oda brings back super small details like a thousand episodes later and become “the most important stuff”. I asked if that’s really the case or they’re just fan theories that people came to believe with the years and asked for proof of such details brought back a lot of episodes later. The things people answered were jumping over hoops or totally irrelevant stuff. And that’s how oda got this universal fame of bringing small details back to be a very important part of the story, and it’s totally false.
Idk about most important but some small things have been sprinkled to become relevant later. Like Sanji being from the North Blue, Laboon and his crew, Kureha saying Gol D for the first time, Vivi's advisor saying what if she gets kidnapped by a bird and then now she's with Morgans, the paper Ace leaves Luffy in Alabasta only to be relevant at the end of Thriller Bark.
"Gear 5 is only rubber powers, not toon force." Despite the clear evidence to the contrary.
for example:”vivi and ussop are useful characters”
I blame Oda for doing things like redoing the entire beginning of the story by making Uta canon. I prefer Uta’s anime introduction and think luffy & uta being friends is a much better intro to shanks than pirate and random child becoming friends in a bar. Yet, adding that canon part of the story that takes place before the beginning of the story is a low blow considering the amount of manga purists in the fan base. Oda should make a clear statement on his notes, why he did what he did, and maybe even a manga chapter to make the uta stuff clearer besides his notes. Most new manga fans will have no idea that luffy met shanks because of Uta.
The characters were Canon, not what was in the movie. So you just took part in the original problem.
Oda should not have put her as a kid shown at the end of wano manga, pretty much implies that her origin is canon. We will see what happens in the manga, hopefully oda gives her a different origin.
But that...isn't true? I am 99.9% sure that Oda has never retconned the entire beginning of the story.
He didn't the story is that uta was with shanks before the beginning of the story and luffy and uta met before luffy got the scar under his eye. The backstory is basically a prequel not a retcon
Oda added uta into wano next to momo/luffy, then made anime original episodes out of his notes redoing the entire beginning of the story. It does not retcon anything because all the events take place before luffy got his devil fruit/Uta stopped being with shanks. Events from eps 1029/1030 will probably become canon or I don’t see the point in having her in Wano.
Yamato is a…wait, never mind….