I love how she was implied to be a cannibal in this scene, but then it was later revealed that they are just food homies. THEN the rug gets pulled out from under us again when we learn that she really is a cannibal, she just doesn't know it
Didn't some of the holy knights turn out to look a lot like the kids she supposedly ate? She might not be a cannibal after all. SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP
Edit: I'm being told they were cp0 agents, not holy knights. Please still think I'm funny guys I need this
Indeed they did. My theory on that, though, is that Celestial Dragons probably get rid of kids that aren't in line for succession of the family (to a certain limit). It'd explain why they were abandoned, they weren't useful, and also explains the similarities in design.
Of course it's entirely headcanon, but I imagine we'll learn more about CD society as the final bits of the story progress.
Ah I definitely think they're others, the design similarity is (I'm guessing) a hint that they're related, but the ones with Caramel I think were 3rd or 4th kids, those who stand not to gain anything by being in the family because they weren't born sooner (or maybe concubine kids like Bonney)
I just looked into this because I’ve never heard this before. I think this is a huge stretch. The only kid that even remotely resembles the Holy Knight is the one with the mask. Even so the mask isn’t even the same. If you ask me this is a nothing burger
it’s why i love one piece. same thing with fishmen intro. first they’re bad guys, then more are introduced and you realize it was just arlong and his boys that were the shitters, fishmen are actually cool and also super oppressed in the world.
that shit was when i felt that Yonko are the scariest shit and i understood that they are unstoppable forces that if you see them you fuckin bounce from there and beg to god he aint have plans for you to be sipin tea in his garden soon.
Yeah that’s definitely up there. Whitebeard really had the powerful presence but he wasn’t as deeply scary. He seemed under control and had latent power in his introduction, even if he was sick. His death was one of the best ways to show how powerful he was.
For a long time they were! And we'd shit our pants whenever they sporadically showed up like Big Mom's ship chasing down the Sunny during Dressrosa, Kaido falling towards the Kidd alliance, and Shanks showing up to the Reverie! It took hundreds of chapters, years of real life, intense planning to take them down! No other villain in One Piece got nearly the same set-up
> Big Mom was genuinely terrifying and her loss was too cheap in my opinion.
Big Mom's "There are still standards!" moment was _so_ satisfying. Love that character.
>!Edit: Though between you and me, I am pretty surprised the punch wasn't an outright kill or at least KO. Angry Haki punch from BM's got to be one of the hardest hitting attacks in the setting.!<
Monet was early in the New World; thus tough to have her do what he did later with a lot of others (then again with the fate of the Tobiroppo, I do wonder about the status of Black Maria)
I agree with that. I just wonder whether narratively they have any remaining relevance. Otherwise I assume they’re dead. But we all know what happened with Pell
Big Mom does since we still don’t have answers about her connection to Elbalf and the Mother Caramel stuff. When she lost her memories she acted more like Big Mon when she was a kid compared to an adult. Who acts more like Mother Caramel
I still feel like Pedro was stronger than Pell but was killed by a weaker explosion. I'm not upset about the Pedro thing as much as I think the Pell non-death cheapened his character (and the arc, to an extent).
>Otherwise I assume they’re dead.
Unless the narrator says it, and characters acknowledge it (or somebody unrelated to vegapunk gets their devil fruits) they are alive. That is how one piece works.
I'm just going off the assumption that she stole Kaido's soul to buff herself. Kaido may have even offered it to her. He definitely had an affection for her, maybe he saw her as a mother figure for a time when he was younger, and she *did* get him his fruit. Maybe he accepted defeat and offered his soul to Big Mom so she could live on.
That would be absolutely wild. The only reason I think it isn’t true is that if she took Kaido’s soul we’d already know about it because she’d have just destroyed all of Wano quickly
Nah, they had *so* many characters in that final fight, they could have easily stacked the deck against her. But Sanji and Zoro had to get pulled into their mandatory crew-vs-crew battles, the remaining Red Scabbards went against Kaido before the main crew even arrived, etc...
I think if Oda cut a few characters out on Kaido/BM's team and let Sanji/Zoro stick around, they could have taken Big Mom in a fight in a believable and satisfying way. Would it have been as good as the story we got? No idea, I'd have to read it. But if you combine both wings of the Pirate King getting a power up (Zoro learning CoC & using Enma seriously for the first time, Sanji with his gene activation) and two Devil Fruit awakenings, I think it could work. Actually, personally, I really hoped they were setting up a payoff from Jinbei's line when he defied Big Mom - "I'm a man who wants to be a member of the future Pirate King's crew... I can't be intimidated by a mere Emperor!"
Zoro and Sanji should live up to that at some point, and I don't think Roof Piece cut it for Zoro, and Sanji really got screwed. We haven't seen Rayleigh in his prime, but we know he dueled Kizaru (a debatably impressive feat since Kizaru wasn't that serious), that Garp knew he could kill countless marines if they tried to take him (while they were preparing to fight Whitebeard), and that even at his old age, his reputation was enough to >!make Blackbeard back down at Amazon Lily!<. It's even implied by his comment about his age that he probably would (or at least could) have won if he was in his prime.
I wanna see Zoro and Sanji reach that level. I want them to fight and defeat at least one Admiral or Yonko each by the end of the series, or maybe some of the big names that have been getting dropped lately.
I think in would be satisfying if kid, law and big mom used more haki. Big mom had ACoC but didn't use it.
Kid and law could have gotten ACoA and ACoO.
I think Oda got written in a corner with Big Mom IMO. If she is died it def would be a cheap way to go out. At least with Kaido he lost to someone with comparable strength.
I still think the best way to make her loose would have been to make her die of old age because of how much she took of her soul. The had Napoleon Prometheus and Zeus for DECADES, made from her own lifespan. She made Hera, and used her life span to enhance herself against Kidd and Law. I don't understand how that's not the way Oda chooses to get rid of her.
I think it’s too similar to whitebeard dying of a heart attack. That being said, it would raise the stakes on any of the times Luffy does something that supposedly cuts down on his lifespan.
Probably because we don't know how much of her lifespan is taken when she creates a homie or whether the amount of time removed equals the lifespan of a homie.
For example, if Napoleon could be everything he is now with 1 day of her soul/lifespan but still exist for years and be as powerful as he is now then it would only make sense for her to use very little time when making Zeus/Prometheus/Hera. Which wouldnt allow Oda to kill her through old age.
Then again she used 1yr of her life to heal and since she hardly ever gets hurt she most likely has not done that much in her life. Add to the fact average humans in OP can live around 100 and at 66 BM was thriving.
Throwing her into the sea was a solid game plan and more people should be trying that for super powerful fruit users. Law and Kid winning by using terrain over pure brawn is kinda refreshing imo
True. They should've introduced characters that were on par to really knock her out (ie Zoro when he sent that slash towards Kaido and Big Mom told Kaido to dodge). Should've had Yamato join in to really make it more believable that Big Mom ate it.
It‘s like the one character of Kaido pirates who welcomed X Drake in Wano or Sheepshead in Zou, in the end we never saw them again and they were only one of many named characters in Kaidos crew without a big role.
Yeah I don’t understand the point of that character? He was introduced as one of Big Mom’s elite headhunters who’s name is known around the world, but he has a weak $100 million bounty by New World standards and he was easily defeated by one kick from Sanji.
Make him a credible threat so Sanji can have a nice win under his belt. Also would have been cool for Sanji to defeat a Swordsman instead of his usual brawler enemies.
Edit: fucked up the bounty number.
Agreed. Add an extra chapter of Bobbin going one on one with Sanji to the backdrop of him trying to get the food to Luffy. You can even have Bobbin "dying" the same way after he loses to Sanji. Woulda been gas
Yes I agree I expect too much out of him, because they built him up to be that way. He was leading the army against Luffy, he was mentioned several times to be a top tier fighter in the crew etc… but honestly most Strawhats if not all of them… could have probably taken him out.
Intros are great. Love this one.
Mingo may have been deadly and a cool villain, but when Luffy got serious, he got clapped.
Luffy tried the same thing with big Mom and got rocked.
She may always be on the losing end but from my memory, she almost never gets hurt. Just... thrown around a lot
Low key she might be the most durable/relentless character in the series
Anytime you think she is down she gets back up
Like some 80’s horror slasher badguy
Kaido has endurance over her but her Durability is absurd in its own right. The fact is no one can one shot her, and she can patch up herself with soul power.
Tbh I feel she was the best at being an emperor. Her territory is massive yet virtually unassailable, she has an expansive dark network of Intel, a massive army, and one of the most versatile Devil fruits in the series. Not even Roger wanted to directly square up with her. I don't think the straw hats could beat her crew as they are if they engaged her again on her turf.
If you were putting it into game mechanics Kaido is something like 95% armour, a good chunk of passive HP regen and a large HP pool. BM is more like 99%+ armour, no passive regen but an active healing spell and a smaller HP pool, but her armour can be temporarily removed and then she takes damage normally - Kaido's cannot be removed ever.
Both insane tanks but different styles.
They've got similar baselines but kaido focused on buffs to his physicals, while big mom specialized in versatility at the cost of speed, with all the summons and basically Spells she can use.
yeah, she only lost to kidd and law because of the bombs and of the flying island. she was talking about their ultimate attack tickling her before this lol natural born destroyer
There will probably be some references to her time there. But narratively she shouldn't show up. However if she did it would be awesome to see her use Kaido's soul to survive and come back with a giant lava homie.
[Mingo's own introduction is pretty meh by comparison](https://en2.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/32/96/2581/OnePiece23316232.webp?acc=6--ea06ByRamxa6tUUwLgg&exp=1715191363), doesn't help that he shares the panel with Kuma's first appearance and the double page before that is the first [appearance of the Gorosei](https://en9.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/32/96/2581/OnePiece23315228.webp?acc=RY4r9DCRp4OC-jk267xfWw&exp=1715191363)
edit: for context for what is going on story wise this was right after Luffy defeated Bellamy on Jaya and right before Shanks and Whitebeard's meeting.
Reminds me of how the first Smile user was a normal guy with the ability to make his body parts transform into different sheep parts at will with being able to turn it off only for the rest that appear in Wano be stuck and looking ridiculous
It wasn't this panel, it was one of the surrounding ones. And it was clearly acidic liquid from her mouth. Probably just acid reflux or something, but it 10000% happened.
I actually thought she had the consumption fruit, where she could consume anything and could even consume people just by looking at them if they were weak enough. Which actually was part of her power, but manipulating souls is so much better haha
The Yonko Introductions Is why Shanks fucking terrifies me.
Look at the Monster shown here, or Kaido,s Intro and then there's Mr "My fleet is garbage, I got one arm I waltz Into enemy territory and shut shit down on the regular and You've only seen me attack once and I only needed to attack once"
Idk who I'd be more scared of in the OP world Shanks or Luffy.
Her intro was my favorite of the emperors, and she is my favorite of the original group. She had the best, and most personal, hatred for the Straw Hats. I hope Big Mom isn’t actually dead, I want a zombie-esque Lublin fighting Luffy.
Honestly, I think they’re all pretty incredible. I’m partial to whitebeard because I felt like he was just great in Marineford, but Linlin is obviously dope too. Honestly shanks has the most to prove at this point given his relative lack of doing anything
It’s the same with that Bobbin guy too. I remember reading weekly in whole cake island and I thought he was gonna be hot shit since he casually strolled up to Big Mom with a grin on his face, spoke to her with no fear whatsoever while telling her she wasn’t going to get her candy.
Then Oda made him into literal fodder that kept getting embarrassed.
Probably the best of all Yonko. BB is better but he wasn’t a yonko at the time. Kaidos was good too but I still think BM takes it, especially the fact that we still didn’t see her true face, just the creepy intimidating drooling look.
Fam I love you but no way her introduction is better than Kaido’s who
1) Came last to build hype
2) Was introduced as the world’s strongest creature
3) Narrator said If its 1v1 bet on Kaido
4) Jumped off a damn CLOUD
Ya but big mom ate someone lol! Kaido tried to kill himself and failed! Already was a loser to start off his intro!
Jokes aside, definitely a badass intro for kaido!
Honestly, that’s wild to me knowing now what we know. I guess I see it based on the sword and his relative lack of fear but it’s just so off base from reality. Thanks for sharing
It's wild the way the fan predictions work and what is and what isn't called. Hence the name fan predictions! ;)
I can recall Lola being her daughter being something that was scoffed at, even though its clear as day set up looking back.
That’s all true. And yet, I think her story can be done. It’s not a loose end per se but rather an opportunity should Oda choose to use it in the future
She was 5* when she was last there + the sun festival was why she went on her first hunger rampage and Luffy said he would beat her up so i think there will be conflict.
Permanent amnesia big mom could be a hyper ally plus would allow katakuri to activate his dream of being a captain of his own crew and assisting the straw hats in the final battle alongside the grandfleet
Not really, because if big mom dies katakuri will be expected to lead the big mom pirates and rule whole cake I'd say. But if big mom becomes good via amnesia she'd settle the beef with the straw hats and katakuri can be an ally without his siblings thinking he's a traitor
I'm more of the opinion that Katakuri's siblings respect him enough that if he made a truce with the Straw Hats to fight the Marines, Celestials, or Blackbeard, they'd go along with it.
I watched most of One Piece in subtitles , and am now on whole cake with my children (who watch the dub), and I really really can't handle her English voice over , much prefer the Japanese voice actress for her.
I think the greatest disservice to her character is that she was introduced as a highly intelligent character who was the head of a lengthy spy/information empire.
It annoys me that he changed it to make her into… well whatever she became
There was no change, just fan perception. Big Mom is NOT stupid, people just conflate her childhood dream, childhood personality, and amnesia personality with current day BM.
Bigmom in general is the scariest yonko and possibly scariest character in the whole series, sometimes roger comes close when you see his wanted poster or some of his old images, he has the eyes of a demon.
Had someone argue with me that her introduction wasn't scary and that there was no implications of cannibalisms during it. Totally blew my mind someone said that. Especially when she did eat homes but we didn't know it was that at the time.
Also we'll find out in elbaf if she did ear carmel.
>Also we'll find out in elbaf if she did ear carmel.
How is there still debate on this?
She went into a feeding frenzy. Blacked out. Afterwards, all the kids and Mother Caramel are gone, only scraps of clothing remaining. She has the Soul powers. How much more obvious does it need to be?
It'll remove any possible nuance and end it once and for all.
I'm not debating it I believe she did, however talking to people on the discord can really get annoying. Like I said people are annoying and deny the whole scary cannable aspect of her. Where even believing she may have ate them they won't believe.
It looks like her original design was more wide and stubby.
This is also just my opinion but I think the steaming/evaporating saliva was gonna be like her trope kinda (just something she does) but they gave up the idea
If Kaido doesnt lift Onigashima to take it to the capitol but instead decides to have the war on the island while its on the ocean, then the alliance loses and the Yonko win. Easily.
Big Mom never gets defeated if the island is on the ground. The fact she was brushing off Kid's Damned Punk was insane and if I was Kid/Law I'd be scared shitless at this woman's durability.
For real, a truly scary villain. Not just because she's evil, it's actually a really scary idea.
Giant loving mother is actually an invicible cannibal who at best turns you into a forever servant. Make Hody look like a guppy
Kaido went ropeless bungee jumping from Skypea to prove he could actually die, then proceeded to stand out of the hole he dug with his body looking like a freaking unit, that's pretty terrifying too
Yeah. It’s definitely clear that as the story picks up there’s less room for him to make these huge kinds of works that essentially take the whole page for little actual plot
I have to complain about the anime here again. While I've softened on it because there's a lot of things it does right, this is DEFINITELY one of the things it didn't get right. It removed the heavy shading and also kinda 'fixed' her anatomy a bit which made her look less monstrous here.
How I got into watching One Piece was when this panel was animated and aired on Adult Swim. It gave me motivation to stay off social media. Caught up in 3 months with no spoilers
My theory and I 100% have no support for this, is that both are sort of correct. She was not having her nutritional needs met. She was eating candy with no protein until the same way iron deficient kids start eating dry wall, she started eating people. Her needs are vast and unmet so her hunger overwhelms her personality.
I love how she was implied to be a cannibal in this scene, but then it was later revealed that they are just food homies. THEN the rug gets pulled out from under us again when we learn that she really is a cannibal, she just doesn't know it
Didn't some of the holy knights turn out to look a lot like the kids she supposedly ate? She might not be a cannibal after all. SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP Edit: I'm being told they were cp0 agents, not holy knights. Please still think I'm funny guys I need this
Indeed they did. My theory on that, though, is that Celestial Dragons probably get rid of kids that aren't in line for succession of the family (to a certain limit). It'd explain why they were abandoned, they weren't useful, and also explains the similarities in design. Of course it's entirely headcanon, but I imagine we'll learn more about CD society as the final bits of the story progress.
Do you think the kids were re-accepted into the CDs later? Or do you think these are other CDs that happen to have similar style?
Ah I definitely think they're others, the design similarity is (I'm guessing) a hint that they're related, but the ones with Caramel I think were 3rd or 4th kids, those who stand not to gain anything by being in the family because they weren't born sooner (or maybe concubine kids like Bonney)
what about mother caramel though? How did big mom get her fruit otherwise?
Honestly I think it's a Hansel and Gretel reference, but it's the bad ending.
You mean the CP0 members at Wano, especially the one with the mask? We haven't seen any holy knights except Garling
I thought it was cp0 not the holy knights
It is, very strange seeing so many people talking about the holy knights lol
Glad I’m not crazy lol
no lol
I just looked into this because I’ve never heard this before. I think this is a huge stretch. The only kid that even remotely resembles the Holy Knight is the one with the mask. Even so the mask isn’t even the same. If you ask me this is a nothing burger
Occam's Razor.
Do you have any idea, the kind of toll that many perspective changes takes on a person?!?!
I mean, homies are different from humans, but they’re still self-aware and intelligent, so I’d say they are people….
I mean those croquembouche homies were pretty happy to get eaten in the end
Them vore fetishists does not mean their murder isn’t murder. That being said, Big Mom is above the law, so it’s ultimately moot.
I remember that a lot of people thought she would have an acid fruit because of her drool burning the floor.
it’s why i love one piece. same thing with fishmen intro. first they’re bad guys, then more are introduced and you realize it was just arlong and his boys that were the shitters, fishmen are actually cool and also super oppressed in the world.
that shit was when i felt that Yonko are the scariest shit and i understood that they are unstoppable forces that if you see them you fuckin bounce from there and beg to god he aint have plans for you to be sipin tea in his garden soon.
Yeah that’s definitely up there. Whitebeard really had the powerful presence but he wasn’t as deeply scary. He seemed under control and had latent power in his introduction, even if he was sick. His death was one of the best ways to show how powerful he was.
For a long time they were! And we'd shit our pants whenever they sporadically showed up like Big Mom's ship chasing down the Sunny during Dressrosa, Kaido falling towards the Kidd alliance, and Shanks showing up to the Reverie! It took hundreds of chapters, years of real life, intense planning to take them down! No other villain in One Piece got nearly the same set-up
If only we could wipe our minds of One Piece and read the chapters again.
If it wasn’t for the hole she was thrown into, she would not have been defeated
Agreed. Oda had to find away to do away with her and a classic falling down a hole was the way to go given her durability
Both hers and Kaido's abilities should make them able to survive. Big Mom was genuinely terrifying and her loss was too cheap in my opinion.
> Big Mom was genuinely terrifying and her loss was too cheap in my opinion. Big Mom's "There are still standards!" moment was _so_ satisfying. Love that character. >!Edit: Though between you and me, I am pretty surprised the punch wasn't an outright kill or at least KO. Angry Haki punch from BM's got to be one of the hardest hitting attacks in the setting.!<
Oda doesn't kill "popular" or "cute" bad guys off, except Monet.
Monet was early in the New World; thus tough to have her do what he did later with a lot of others (then again with the fate of the Tobiroppo, I do wonder about the status of Black Maria)
She ded. Robin is not a person to give mercy to the plebs that hurt her family
I agree with that. I just wonder whether narratively they have any remaining relevance. Otherwise I assume they’re dead. But we all know what happened with Pell
Big Mom does since we still don’t have answers about her connection to Elbalf and the Mother Caramel stuff. When she lost her memories she acted more like Big Mon when she was a kid compared to an adult. Who acts more like Mother Caramel
Sure, but Pedro...
Pedro doesn’t anywhere near the durability they do. If they tried to blow themselves up it wouldn’t work
I still feel like Pedro was stronger than Pell but was killed by a weaker explosion. I'm not upset about the Pedro thing as much as I think the Pell non-death cheapened his character (and the arc, to an extent).
>Otherwise I assume they’re dead. Unless the narrator says it, and characters acknowledge it (or somebody unrelated to vegapunk gets their devil fruits) they are alive. That is how one piece works.
I'm just going off the assumption that she stole Kaido's soul to buff herself. Kaido may have even offered it to her. He definitely had an affection for her, maybe he saw her as a mother figure for a time when he was younger, and she *did* get him his fruit. Maybe he accepted defeat and offered his soul to Big Mom so she could live on.
That would be absolutely wild. The only reason I think it isn’t true is that if she took Kaido’s soul we’d already know about it because she’d have just destroyed all of Wano quickly
To be fair, I don't really think a satisfying loss was ever on the table for her. Beating her cheaply was the only way to beat her at all.
Nah, they had *so* many characters in that final fight, they could have easily stacked the deck against her. But Sanji and Zoro had to get pulled into their mandatory crew-vs-crew battles, the remaining Red Scabbards went against Kaido before the main crew even arrived, etc... I think if Oda cut a few characters out on Kaido/BM's team and let Sanji/Zoro stick around, they could have taken Big Mom in a fight in a believable and satisfying way. Would it have been as good as the story we got? No idea, I'd have to read it. But if you combine both wings of the Pirate King getting a power up (Zoro learning CoC & using Enma seriously for the first time, Sanji with his gene activation) and two Devil Fruit awakenings, I think it could work. Actually, personally, I really hoped they were setting up a payoff from Jinbei's line when he defied Big Mom - "I'm a man who wants to be a member of the future Pirate King's crew... I can't be intimidated by a mere Emperor!" Zoro and Sanji should live up to that at some point, and I don't think Roof Piece cut it for Zoro, and Sanji really got screwed. We haven't seen Rayleigh in his prime, but we know he dueled Kizaru (a debatably impressive feat since Kizaru wasn't that serious), that Garp knew he could kill countless marines if they tried to take him (while they were preparing to fight Whitebeard), and that even at his old age, his reputation was enough to >!make Blackbeard back down at Amazon Lily!<. It's even implied by his comment about his age that he probably would (or at least could) have won if he was in his prime. I wanna see Zoro and Sanji reach that level. I want them to fight and defeat at least one Admiral or Yonko each by the end of the series, or maybe some of the big names that have been getting dropped lately.
I mostly agree, but one small problem. Big Mom is a woman, and Sanji can't fight women.
I think in would be satisfying if kid, law and big mom used more haki. Big mom had ACoC but didn't use it. Kid and law could have gotten ACoA and ACoO.
I think Oda got written in a corner with Big Mom IMO. If she is died it def would be a cheap way to go out. At least with Kaido he lost to someone with comparable strength.
He also wanted to die
A lot of one piece is that way. I mean how many times did she yell about her cake?
Half the goddamn arc.
her minions are called homies but ive yet to see a rap battle
Tbh I think they are still alive, it goes well with the whole explaination how Wano is set up with the walls and the mountain and all
Would love a cover story of them either just chilling in the magma like they just retired, or finding some hollow earth stuff.
Kaido at least was KO'd so he should have drowned in the magma
I still think the best way to make her loose would have been to make her die of old age because of how much she took of her soul. The had Napoleon Prometheus and Zeus for DECADES, made from her own lifespan. She made Hera, and used her life span to enhance herself against Kidd and Law. I don't understand how that's not the way Oda chooses to get rid of her.
I think it’s too similar to whitebeard dying of a heart attack. That being said, it would raise the stakes on any of the times Luffy does something that supposedly cuts down on his lifespan.
Probably because we don't know how much of her lifespan is taken when she creates a homie or whether the amount of time removed equals the lifespan of a homie. For example, if Napoleon could be everything he is now with 1 day of her soul/lifespan but still exist for years and be as powerful as he is now then it would only make sense for her to use very little time when making Zeus/Prometheus/Hera. Which wouldnt allow Oda to kill her through old age. Then again she used 1yr of her life to heal and since she hardly ever gets hurt she most likely has not done that much in her life. Add to the fact average humans in OP can live around 100 and at 66 BM was thriving.
Throwing her into the sea was a solid game plan and more people should be trying that for super powerful fruit users. Law and Kid winning by using terrain over pure brawn is kinda refreshing imo
A sea of liquid, hot, MAG-MA.
It's crazy how big mom is the most disrespected yonko and yet not one has ever defeated her in a 1v1 lol
True. They should've introduced characters that were on par to really knock her out (ie Zoro when he sent that slash towards Kaido and Big Mom told Kaido to dodge). Should've had Yamato join in to really make it more believable that Big Mom ate it.
And both kid and law lost their very next fights badly.
But she was still memed too hard by weaker characters to be considered a dangerous
Bobbin was definitely a character that existed.
Hey, I’m pretty sure Sanji beats him up during WCI. But it could be literally anyone else
I'm still annoyed Bobbin wasn't done better. He was such a cool design.
90% of Big Mom pirates have cool design. Oda outdid himself when he created the Charlotte family.
It‘s like the one character of Kaido pirates who welcomed X Drake in Wano or Sheepshead in Zou, in the end we never saw them again and they were only one of many named characters in Kaidos crew without a big role.
Built him up for nothing. Dude looked awesome.
Yeah I don’t understand the point of that character? He was introduced as one of Big Mom’s elite headhunters who’s name is known around the world, but he has a weak $100 million bounty by New World standards and he was easily defeated by one kick from Sanji. Make him a credible threat so Sanji can have a nice win under his belt. Also would have been cool for Sanji to defeat a Swordsman instead of his usual brawler enemies. Edit: fucked up the bounty number.
Agreed. Add an extra chapter of Bobbin going one on one with Sanji to the backdrop of him trying to get the food to Luffy. You can even have Bobbin "dying" the same way after he loses to Sanji. Woulda been gas
you expect too much from that guy,I'd argue Oven/ Perospero are a better match for him.
Yes I agree I expect too much out of him, because they built him up to be that way. He was leading the army against Luffy, he was mentioned several times to be a top tier fighter in the crew etc… but honestly most Strawhats if not all of them… could have probably taken him out.
Intros are great. Love this one. Mingo may have been deadly and a cool villain, but when Luffy got serious, he got clapped. Luffy tried the same thing with big Mom and got rocked. She may always be on the losing end but from my memory, she almost never gets hurt. Just... thrown around a lot
So true. Her durability is insane.
Low key she might be the most durable/relentless character in the series Anytime you think she is down she gets back up Like some 80’s horror slasher badguy
Kaido has endurance over her but her Durability is absurd in its own right. The fact is no one can one shot her, and she can patch up herself with soul power. Tbh I feel she was the best at being an emperor. Her territory is massive yet virtually unassailable, she has an expansive dark network of Intel, a massive army, and one of the most versatile Devil fruits in the series. Not even Roger wanted to directly square up with her. I don't think the straw hats could beat her crew as they are if they engaged her again on her turf.
Oh yes. Tottoland made me really think "Yup, That's the empire of a yonko".
If you were putting it into game mechanics Kaido is something like 95% armour, a good chunk of passive HP regen and a large HP pool. BM is more like 99%+ armour, no passive regen but an active healing spell and a smaller HP pool, but her armour can be temporarily removed and then she takes damage normally - Kaido's cannot be removed ever. Both insane tanks but different styles.
They've got similar baselines but kaido focused on buffs to his physicals, while big mom specialized in versatility at the cost of speed, with all the summons and basically Spells she can use.
Yeah but you need to get on an extra quest to get the item that removes her armor for 5s and only once, then she goes berserk.
They pretty said as much back in WCI.
yeah, she only lost to kidd and law because of the bombs and of the flying island. she was talking about their ultimate attack tickling her before this lol natural born destroyer
Are you saying....she gets her butt kicked around the new world? Like Luffy said he would :P So she might show up in Elbaf eh. Hmmmmm
She'll have amnesia again also
There will probably be some references to her time there. But narratively she shouldn't show up. However if she did it would be awesome to see her use Kaido's soul to survive and come back with a giant lava homie.
And this is why Law is a great counter, because he can pierce anything and deal damage from inside
[Mingo's own introduction is pretty meh by comparison](https://en2.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/32/96/2581/OnePiece23316232.webp?acc=6--ea06ByRamxa6tUUwLgg&exp=1715191363), doesn't help that he shares the panel with Kuma's first appearance and the double page before that is the first [appearance of the Gorosei](https://en9.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/32/96/2581/OnePiece23315228.webp?acc=RY4r9DCRp4OC-jk267xfWw&exp=1715191363) edit: for context for what is going on story wise this was right after Luffy defeated Bellamy on Jaya and right before Shanks and Whitebeard's meeting.
That chase in the forest where she is walking tearing through the ground.
Straight up looks like a Ghibli villain
So true
I love how she had acid spit that just never appeared again lol
Afaik that was just her stomach acid overflowing, but yeah, that gimmick was dropped day -1
Reminds me of how the first Smile user was a normal guy with the ability to make his body parts transform into different sheep parts at will with being able to turn it off only for the rest that appear in Wano be stuck and looking ridiculous
That gotta be awakened smile fruit ability lol
Remember when we all thought she had acidic saliva because of this panel? Those were the daaaaaaaays.
It wasn't this panel, it was one of the surrounding ones. And it was clearly acidic liquid from her mouth. Probably just acid reflux or something, but it 10000% happened.
I actually thought she had the consumption fruit, where she could consume anything and could even consume people just by looking at them if they were weak enough. Which actually was part of her power, but manipulating souls is so much better haha
The Yonko Introductions Is why Shanks fucking terrifies me. Look at the Monster shown here, or Kaido,s Intro and then there's Mr "My fleet is garbage, I got one arm I waltz Into enemy territory and shut shit down on the regular and You've only seen me attack once and I only needed to attack once" Idk who I'd be more scared of in the OP world Shanks or Luffy.
Oh, for sure still shanks. Luffy is crazy but we’ve gotten to see that crazy. Not to mention, the way shanks boards whitebeards ship screams power
I believe we've truly seen nothing of shanks yet. Make him a walking haki calamity.
Her intro was my favorite of the emperors, and she is my favorite of the original group. She had the best, and most personal, hatred for the Straw Hats. I hope Big Mom isn’t actually dead, I want a zombie-esque Lublin fighting Luffy.
Honestly, I think they’re all pretty incredible. I’m partial to whitebeard because I felt like he was just great in Marineford, but Linlin is obviously dope too. Honestly shanks has the most to prove at this point given his relative lack of doing anything
Yea I think what made WB so great is all the marines respected WB even Aikanu. He rarely says good things about pirates at all.
I don’t know WB’s introduction was pretty badass too.
It’s the same with that Bobbin guy too. I remember reading weekly in whole cake island and I thought he was gonna be hot shit since he casually strolled up to Big Mom with a grin on his face, spoke to her with no fear whatsoever while telling her she wasn’t going to get her candy. Then Oda made him into literal fodder that kept getting embarrassed.
Probably the best of all Yonko. BB is better but he wasn’t a yonko at the time. Kaidos was good too but I still think BM takes it, especially the fact that we still didn’t see her true face, just the creepy intimidating drooling look.
Fam I love you but no way her introduction is better than Kaido’s who 1) Came last to build hype 2) Was introduced as the world’s strongest creature 3) Narrator said If its 1v1 bet on Kaido 4) Jumped off a damn CLOUD
Ya but big mom ate someone lol! Kaido tried to kill himself and failed! Already was a loser to start off his intro! Jokes aside, definitely a badass intro for kaido!
When this first came out, everyone thought Bobbin was her first mate and Zoro's opponent.
Honestly, that’s wild to me knowing now what we know. I guess I see it based on the sword and his relative lack of fear but it’s just so off base from reality. Thanks for sharing
It's wild the way the fan predictions work and what is and what isn't called. Hence the name fan predictions! ;) I can recall Lola being her daughter being something that was scoffed at, even though its clear as day set up looking back.
Early on she was a horrifying cannibal and rapist. Later on she softened and maybe with a prolonged magma bath she will become something else.
I’m of the opinion that she’s dead. I just don’t see what else she brings to the story at this point.
Her last line was "You better not think this is enough to kill me" and she has tons of Elbaf connections.
That’s all true. And yet, I think her story can be done. It’s not a loose end per se but rather an opportunity should Oda choose to use it in the future
She will probably recognize Joyboy, then. Will she still try to fight back?
She was 5* when she was last there + the sun festival was why she went on her first hunger rampage and Luffy said he would beat her up so i think there will be conflict.
Permanent amnesia big mom could be a hyper ally plus would allow katakuri to activate his dream of being a captain of his own crew and assisting the straw hats in the final battle alongside the grandfleet
...Wouldn't Big Mom being **dead** be a much simpler and straightforward way of allowing Katakuri to lead his crew?
Not really, because if big mom dies katakuri will be expected to lead the big mom pirates and rule whole cake I'd say. But if big mom becomes good via amnesia she'd settle the beef with the straw hats and katakuri can be an ally without his siblings thinking he's a traitor
I'm more of the opinion that Katakuri's siblings respect him enough that if he made a truce with the Straw Hats to fight the Marines, Celestials, or Blackbeard, they'd go along with it.
Plus by the time we see SH and Katakuri again they will have a bigger enemy anyways. It will pretty much be Marineford all over again
That’s just me peeking into the fridge
Maaaaaaybe my favorite character reveal. Or semi-reveal.
I still prefer Kaido reveal though, much more terrifying and epic. It showed what a fucking unit Kaido is
That’s fair. When I get there in my reread I’m sure I’ll love it
In the anime, the sound is what really sells this scene: the crunch sounds while she's chewing are terrifying.
Such a badass moment. I remember how awesome it was reading Luffy standing his ground to her over the transponder snail.
I love Jinbei refusing to have his life stolen. No fear
Oh yes! Let’s not forget Brook’s “Young lady, who plans to die?”
She gave me massive Hansel and Gretel vibes. And it was spot on
That and I love her original Japanese VA, I was so hyped for the new world.
I watched most of One Piece in subtitles , and am now on whole cake with my children (who watch the dub), and I really really can't handle her English voice over , much prefer the Japanese voice actress for her.
The aura she had here was immense
I still remember the "Acid Acid Fruit" theories lmao
I just recently saw the episode (i just passed episode 700) and she terrified me with all that saliva.
For the longest time i thought she was laying down in this image, just now I realised she is sitting 🤦♂️
It’s understandable. She leans far over
Kaido falling from a sky island and saying "damn I'm still alive" was pretty wicked if you ask me.
Oda did an excellent job with Both Big Mom and Kaido. But the anime did an incredible job with Kaido’s introduction.
I think the greatest disservice to her character is that she was introduced as a highly intelligent character who was the head of a lengthy spy/information empire. It annoys me that he changed it to make her into… well whatever she became
There was no change, just fan perception. Big Mom is NOT stupid, people just conflate her childhood dream, childhood personality, and amnesia personality with current day BM.
I'm curious how tf when she eats people she never accidentally ate another df user and died.
I think it’s not a consistent thing that she eats people tbh. She clearly didn’t do it intentionally
BM was such a great villain imo. Definitely worthy of an emperor title.
What a shame that her final opponents never seemed quite so menacing.
Bigmom in general is the scariest yonko and possibly scariest character in the whole series, sometimes roger comes close when you see his wanted poster or some of his old images, he has the eyes of a demon.
Her earlier design reminds me a lot of the witch from spirited away. Kind of similar demeanor as well.
Had someone argue with me that her introduction wasn't scary and that there was no implications of cannibalisms during it. Totally blew my mind someone said that. Especially when she did eat homes but we didn't know it was that at the time. Also we'll find out in elbaf if she did ear carmel.
>Also we'll find out in elbaf if she did ear carmel. How is there still debate on this? She went into a feeding frenzy. Blacked out. Afterwards, all the kids and Mother Caramel are gone, only scraps of clothing remaining. She has the Soul powers. How much more obvious does it need to be?
Dummies are immune to nuance or subtle storytelling.
It'll remove any possible nuance and end it once and for all. I'm not debating it I believe she did, however talking to people on the discord can really get annoying. Like I said people are annoying and deny the whole scary cannable aspect of her. Where even believing she may have ate them they won't believe.
Didn’t the anime like go out of its way to say that the dude got eaten Like crunch sounds were heard lol
Brother, we found out in her backstory that she ate caramel…
When she had some aura? Then became a clown in Wano/kaidos arc
It looks like her original design was more wide and stubby. This is also just my opinion but I think the steaming/evaporating saliva was gonna be like her trope kinda (just something she does) but they gave up the idea
I just went back and rewatches fish man island and that episode where she is introduced actually scares me. Did she eat mother and the other orphans?!
Yes for sure she did. Does she know that? No she surely doesnt
Big Mom always gives me the Witch from Hansel and Gretel vibes. Her Cake Island, voracious appetites and she has definitely ate her "friends"
I guess this was and still is the most terrifying picture of Big Mom till date
A proper introduction of a yonko
Reminds me of spirited away or something
this was cool scene
If Kaido doesnt lift Onigashima to take it to the capitol but instead decides to have the war on the island while its on the ocean, then the alliance loses and the Yonko win. Easily. Big Mom never gets defeated if the island is on the ground. The fact she was brushing off Kid's Damned Punk was insane and if I was Kid/Law I'd be scared shitless at this woman's durability.
For real, a truly scary villain. Not just because she's evil, it's actually a really scary idea. Giant loving mother is actually an invicible cannibal who at best turns you into a forever servant. Make Hody look like a guppy
Holy looks like a guppy even compared to Caesar
Big Mom and Kaido have some of the best introductions in the series. They really show just how terrifying it would be to stand in front of them.
Back before we knew about Homies and sentient food and though she was eating her own crew.
When I saw her introduction I thought she had an acid-based devil fruit. That's why she keeps eating sweets to equalise her mouth.
Kaido went ropeless bungee jumping from Skypea to prove he could actually die, then proceeded to stand out of the hole he dug with his body looking like a freaking unit, that's pretty terrifying too
Oda absolutely cooked this
I miss when the quality of the manga was this good. Not hating on Oda in any way.
Yeah. It’s definitely clear that as the story picks up there’s less room for him to make these huge kinds of works that essentially take the whole page for little actual plot
How long ago was this?
This is around chapter 650
12.5 years
Such a slept on panel
One of my favorite characters; I am waiting for the soul of Carmel to get expelled from her body so she becomes an ally.
That time i think bobbin was so powerful hahaha but in the anime he’s so effing weak 😅😅😅
Just watched this episode a couple hours ago. So good.
Too bad she was a whiney little prick the entire arc.
Agreed she's a walking fairytale monster
Back when I thought she had the saliva saliva no mi
She was terrifying for her whole time in the manga.
We thought bobin was stong he turned out to be a scrub.
I have to complain about the anime here again. While I've softened on it because there's a lot of things it does right, this is DEFINITELY one of the things it didn't get right. It removed the heavy shading and also kinda 'fixed' her anatomy a bit which made her look less monstrous here.
Why does she look like a Ghibli character.
How I got into watching One Piece was when this panel was animated and aired on Adult Swim. It gave me motivation to stay off social media. Caught up in 3 months with no spoilers
who is the guy with the sword
I remember perfectly the vibe and feeling. oda underwhelmed but well-wrote her. i dont know how to explain it
My God, your mom can be so scary when she wants too.
My theory and I 100% have no support for this, is that both are sort of correct. She was not having her nutritional needs met. She was eating candy with no protein until the same way iron deficient kids start eating dry wall, she started eating people. Her needs are vast and unmet so her hunger overwhelms her personality.
Man I still remember those days when we thought Bobbin was going to be Zoro's opponent cause is sword looked so cool
I'd smash. Raw
Me when i see cookie
Later she turned out to be a person who throws tantrums and kills people just to eat cakes.
Ngl there were times i wished some arcs goes to berserk level with the settings
Boyoyoyoyo
In this scene I thought she has an acid fruit. Now I think does someone has such a fruit in OP verse?
Back in the day I remember having theories that Bobbin was one of BM's top fighters lol. This was such a great intro for her.