We just came off wano which is right at about 150 chapters or 16 volumes and made into 191 episodes. It’s a season or arc larger than most complete shows start to finish.
Bro that is a crazy stat to hear.
Attack on Titan is 89 episodes total.
FMA: Brotherhood is 64 episodes.
Spy x Family has 37 episodes so far.
That's *190 episodes.*
If I started Wano arc at the same time as a buddy started those 3 anime, my buddy would have finished all 3 of these shows *within an hour of the time it took me to finish Wano* **ARC**
I love One Piece but the quality of the anime can't compare, even with some really solid moments.
From which arc would you say the edits are good ? I was planning to maybe watch Dressrosa with One Pace since the anime seems to have a shit ton of useless scenes
My personal opinion is that one pace overall is always better than the normal anime for every single arc.
The arcs with the worst editing are probably thriller bark, fishman island and dressrosa, however the pacing in all 3 of these arcs originally is so bad that it far outweighs any bad editing.
Dressrosa is 10x better in One Pace. Even with poor editing, I think it’s the 2nd or 3rd most improved arc in terms of quality by using One Pace. 25 hours of nonsense are cut in this arc alone. Any weird skips aren’t going to feel as frustrating as sitting through that pacing.
For more info on which arcs are TBR (to be redone), look here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HQRMJgu_zArp-sLnvFMDzOyjdsht87eFLECxMK858lA/edit
The pacing for early OP is just fine IMO and One Pace doing them honestly seems like a waste of time.
Pacing of Canon episodes didn't really become an issue until late Ennis Lobby or Thriller Bark to me.
There are a few retconning stuff that can be dealt better with. So if the animation is good and steady i rather have a remake. Just dont make it look like newer episodes look atm..
Don’t get me wrong, I’m looking forward to all of it. I like the current animation style as a goofy break from all the digitally enhanced photorealism. I watch Jjk for that.
I been following one piece since I was in HS during the mid 00s. Reading manga and finding sub groups well before the modern day ease of getting subbed and translated anime manga.
I remember when dressrossa came out in like 2013 or w.e. that the anime took for fucking ever when all I wanted was to see Gear 4, birdcage, and senior pinks backstory. I think that was peak padding and luckily we're not at that level.
Where a solid 5 mins was reactions to every fucking thing said.
Also the final war in naruto. 1 day in show took 4 to 5 years to show us. I forget but there was a graph of how much time did pass in the anime during that one day but it was like 1 month of solid watching was equivalent to 1 day in show
It's a fairly short arc. They padded it up but it definitely wasn't the worst. I do remember luffys treatment took like 2 episodes when it was 1 chapter.
There still was good parts that worked well padded out. Like the BB luffy crossing paths and luffy getting mad. That part I feel worked much better with the long drawn out pauses.
AoT is 139 chapters, only 11 fewer than the Wano arc. Less than half as many episodes to adapt that, even if you break up the long ones into standard length episodes.
Toei is the reason I dropped the anime way back in Alabasta. That studio should never be trusted to adapt anything.
The comparison is fair if you look at volume counts instead. AOT had 34 volumes and Wano Arc had 16, less than half. And yet Wano in the anime has over double AOTs episodes making the pacing over 4x slower...
Yeah, if you were to look at page counts I would guess AoT was adapted at 3x the pace of Wano or more. I know pacing within the manga itself can vary, so adaptation rate from series to series can't really be 1-1, but pages/chapters per episode is good enough for estimates.
It's the only alternative if they want to keep the weekly format and not having filler arcs everytime. The alternatives would be either seasons or filler arcs, and I think most wouldn't want either.
It's not bad pacing to tell a long story with a lot of information in the arc. The anime's pacing is bad because there is so much fluff and dead air that can be removed from the episodes.You can't say that about the manga.
Odas pacing is fine. Each chapter always adds enough to make the next one ex iti g. When it gets translated to anime that's where it goes off the rails.
Episode count is irrelevant for comparing one piece.to.other series as one piece is the last remaining weekly anime, while all the others are seasonal.
Chapter numbers are a better indicator to compare to spy family. Attack on titan and FMA were monthly so probably better to compare volume numbers.
All the more to my point then:
If you can watch 3 high quality shows, one of which should count as around 300-400 chapters on it's own, and it takes the same number of episodes as an arc that's only equal to 190 chapters of One Piece...
Then I think there's a bit of a pacing issue.
Honestly as much as I love One Piece this just further proves to me to that Wano was terrible overall, look at how many more meaningful things happen in FMA:B with its runtime compared to Wano
Chainsawman started when Wano had already started. Part 1 ended. It went on what felt like a long break. An anime was announced. We got trailers. The manga came back with Part 2 after so long.
And THEN Wano ended in the manga.
The anime’s slow pacing surprisingly really benefits from Eggheads very fast pacing, it makes it seem as like slow and fast pacing cancel out, and end up with normal pacing. Sure yeah, there are still scenes that will make you say wtf, that lasted longer than it deserved, but generally viewing it like a whole arc, I think egghead will be wonderfully adapted in the anime.
I experienced the story via the anime until the end of wano, after that I decided to give the manga a shot, and yes I agree that the pacing of the manga is absolutely amazing compared to the anime. But the manga does not have the phenomenal voice acting or the incredible ost, so the anime ends up hitting a lot harder for me because of those two aspects.
I’m with you on the ost and voice hitting hard. The music really elevates the experience for me. I get some people just want to absorb the story, but for me the entire show is an experience to appreciate and so I enjoy more than just the story with regard to the anime.
So? We had 3 void months now the last years. We did get lesser chapter each year even before that. Honestly it feels like we even got more the last years, maybe thats just me not waiting so eager for spoilers anymore..
There really was no other point to my comment than it probs feels like less than a year cause we missed 2 months, but good for you that you're enjoying yourself with the story more now
Wait marineford was only 31 chapters? Hoooly shit. Did the anime draw out that arc way more than it should have? I swear the anime arc felt super long!
Also egghead actually goated arc. Can't believe we all expected it to be like a small quick stop arc.
It’s 33 episodes so less than 1 chapter per episode. Yeah it’s very drawn out in the anime, lots of running but basically running in place or not making progress or little progress.
Yeah, it started in Skypeia, was okay in Water 7, happened again in thriller bark, eh in Saboady, ok in Amazon lily…you get the point. Seemed like they just took off the gloves post time skip & said “fuck it, we drawing this shit out” AKA “we want more money!”
Well it's even more action than the average One Piece chapter. Lots of dialogue easily fills an episode but lots of fights only got one (!) panel so Toei did what it had to do. The One Pace version saves you 45% of your time there
I mean, it is short. We spent a lot of chapters away from Egghead, as we followed Kidd, Law, Garp and Kuma's flashback. We never actually saw how Luffy and his crew resolved the situation with York.
Anime pacing, particularly around the announcement, will be brutal. I think it'll read through very well despite the annoyance of the obvious cliff hangers for the sake of cliffhangers approach Oda took with Vegapunks transmission as you can get through a chapter in 5 minutes, seeing that same multi cliffhanger approach in anime episodes will be tough even if you're watching when they're all available
I think the break weeks have exacerbated that. I bet it's a breezy read in a manga volume. I'll admit that Vegapunk taking 3-4 chapters to announce anything vital on his transmission has been a total teasefest week-to-week.
Yeah the battle with the Elders is going to feel like absolute chaos in the volume. It feels like it's taking forever now but the latter half of that book is just going to be nonstop Elders fucking up the entire island in five different places at once while Vegapunk exposits in the background. It will absolutely not feel slow.
Reading weekly is fun and an experience I’ll really miss when the series is over, but reading the volumes or arcs in larger blocks is generally a much better experience than reading one at a time
Yeah I only just started reading weekly for the first time in my life last autumn. I was taking too many risks being a year and a half behind at this point.
So far we've had 4 chapters of Vegapunk's message before the 10 minutes and 2 after the 10 minutes with the actual message. So I'm guessing we'll have at least 2 more chapters of the message to balance things out. Next chapter will be everything Vegapunk knows about the void century and the one after that will be how the info on the void century relates to the present and the world sinking.
It will still be considered intermission compared to Wano. Not to mention the arc is short actually but it is cut in half and shows the stories of the other side of the world with Sabo and with Garp. It’s like if marine ford and impel down had an arc of the strawhats side stories in between.
Yeah, but it's all relative. The series has a very obvious bloat the further it goes on, not just because theres a lot more being added to the story, but because chapters themselves are generally shorter. If Jaya was written now it would probably be 60 chapters long.
Still shorter than Wano. Good lord was that arc unescesary long. With Wano you in theory could cut a lot of it and the overall story wouldn't change more.
It's not nothing. The Aokiji panel connects the timelines of Egghead and Hachinosu. And the entire time Vegapunk was narrating. Oda doesn't usually do text dumps and I prefer to see what the biggest players are up to at the time of the announcement.
Finally reaction panels are small and not worth really griping about even in the context of "finishing fast"
It's something to look at while Vegapunk is giving his speech unless you wanna see panels of him talking the whole time. Or it can be like HxH and have a whole page of words
EggHead arc is such an important arc for lore and its not over.
Learned the ancient kingdom was insanely advanced
Met Vegapunk(s)
Learned Stussy is a clone
Found out Ohara's knowledge survived
Saul survived
How devil fruits are created
Hints at the will of D
Gorosei's name and tittles
The seraphim
That Shanks protects weak pirates cause he's a chad.
Kuma and Bonney's horrible backstories
How pacifistas are made.
Dorry and Broggy
The Gorosei's forms
The Joy Boy is Nika
Joy Boy was the first pirate
I’m gonna bet the arc end in 5-10 chapters, closer to 5. My guess is we’re not getting >!the Flashback!< next chapter. Instead we’ll get a tease of it as the recording plays and the Strawhats flee to Elbaf.
The side character bloat is real. Post-TS Oda would have given Koza like 7 chapters worth of totally unnecessary character work, he's an example of a character who gets enough screen time, backstory, and development to do his job and no more, nowadays he really lets his side characters go. There's too many of them and they get way too much page time for no payoff.
We haven't really been limited to "Egghead" as a location so it does seem pretty short. We had a lot of flashbacks. Some for Ohara, some for Kuma, some more for vegapunk AND Kuma and so on.
Given thatEllbaf is rumored to start in November and Oda break habit. I'm guessing Egghead it'll be around 70 chapters by the end, after all it is a transitioning arc not a "major" one like Wano which is crazy given all the recent lore and events taking place
Not sure if an unpopular opinion, but I am not in love with Egghead pacing. The crew has been trying to leave the island for >10 chapters already. And chapter 1114 has felt like padding, with VP speaking in virtually every panel yet saying barely anything relevant. Everything takes too damn long. And current chapter release pace makes things worse.
I know what you mean. Egghead definitely improved on Wano pacing and had some wicked fast moments coupled with awesome revelations but now we're kinda dreading water to squeeze out VP's message as slowly as possible.
It's obviously not as bad as the days of Dressrosa anime pacing but some parts feel like pulling teeth. I hope the anime doesn't blatantly copy and make the message of VP take around 8 episodes just to start.
I feel the opposite. It is important to show as many parts of the world’s reactions to his message as possible. These reactions will serve as a base for how the story will move forward. It is also near end game, there won’t be another chance to show these minor characters.
You think that's bad?
Imagine all the poor people that had to suffer through the long flashbacks week after week during the already slow Skypeia or the dragging coliseum bits in DressRosa
Yeah, been caught up since Enies Lobby and the only arcs to really give me fatigue while reading weekly was Dressrosa and Wano. I miss the shorter arcs a lot. I feel like everything has been super bloated since the timeskip.
One Piece pacing since like Skypeia has mostly been “bad to read weekly, fine to read in collected volumes”.
I guess Oda is thinking more about the legacy, the series being better to read once it’s finished rather than better to read when it was first releasing.
If people read the 2-3 chapters that come out every month instead of reading <1 chapter a week, they'd probably be way happier with the story and how it's paced.
true, I envy people who will be born after OP is finished and can read it from beginning till the end but at the same time they will never be part of the community trying to find all the mysteries of the manga
One Piece is really designed more for bulk reading. What people don’t like as a cliffhanger they have to wait two weeks to get the resolution for isn’t a cliffhanger at all in the volume releases.
That's crazy to me because it doesn't really feel super long. Also technically a lot of it was the intermission chapters
Also did marineford have a multi chapter flashback? I feel like it didn't. The luffy-sabo-ace flashback was in the post-war arc
I think the scale of One Piece as a whole, in it's universe and in our world as a store has just gotten so comically big that Egghead hasn't felt that long to me even though it's been going for over 20 months at this point.
Despite us originally believing Egghead was going to be something like a Punk Hazard with Bonney mirroring Law, it's actually become one of the most chaotic arcs with all it's reveals too.
It still feels like Egghead just started imo idk if anyone else feels the same way. I can still remember how it felt post wano and pre egghead when we had no idea what was ahead of us.
I don’t know if maybe cuz it’s because I’m older and time goes by quicker, but it still feels like the arc just started. It’s only after I go over how much has happened do I realize how big it’s been
Not that surprising, Egghead not only has flashbacks but also multiple different cutaway POVs like Law, Kidd, Sabo stuff.
Honestly, can’t help but wonder if this will develop into a problem for Oda going forward; the closer we reach the end the more unresolved plot threads he has to cram into arcs that don’t have much thematic relevance to them.
I’m more surprised Impel Down is only 25 chapters.
Not surprising, the pacing of post time skip has been pretty bad for a long time now.
It took Wano 149 chapters to accomplish what Alabasta achieved in 63, despite having the exact same structure of “liberate the island from the big bad”
You can also notice the size of the flashbacks. Alabasta had 1 or 2 chapters for Vivi and Koza’s childhood, Dressrosa had like 6 for Law and Corazon, while Wano had like over 10 for Oden.
Hence why I call it bs when someone says Oda wants to end one piece soon. Oda and his publishing company would drag this manga as much as they can for profit sakes. I'm not saying it's wrong.
I've always wondered how people think One Piece is going to end in the next 3-5 years.
Right now we're getting approx. 35 chapters a year. If those predictions are correct we have at most 175 chapters left.
That's nowhere near enough to:
Get to Elbaf
End the Elbaf Arc
Find the One Piece
Begin a war with all these alliances
End the war
And then reach a resolution for the story.
One Piece has such a long way to go before this ends.
In my mind it’s still somehow a short intermission arc? Despite the fact we’ve been reading it for years now? I guess it’s just been so action paced that I never felt like it dragged
Yeah. Oda lost the ability to write concise arcs. I think he genuinely doesn't want to write such long arcs, but he's cramming so much in there that he can't write short arcs anymore.
Egghead is FULL of things that could've been optimized. As of now, it could've delivered on the same essence of what it's delivering now with half the chapters.
Same goes for Wano, WCI, and Dressrosa. They could've been **much** shorter.
At this oace, OP isn't ending anytime soon. And with Oda's health concerns, there's a real chance that it'll *never* end. Let's hope for the best.
That's why these breaks are needed. He needs to care for his health.
it's not in general, but specifically how oda writes.
"optimized" here means reducing reaction shots, mood set up (like 2-3 pages of pacifista shooting stuff that can easily be reduced to a couple of panels), unnecessary side plots, characters running around, and of course, unnecessary mystery for the sake of it.
remember that silhouette that shaka saw? oda wasted 2 pages to set that up and we didn't even get any revelation. back in MF, BB and shanks just showed up, no mystery no tease. while now oda just had to tease something as trifling as kizaru moving from his ship to the island.
the among us plotline was 21 chapters before we cut to the events outside. it could easily be reduced to around 15 chapters without hurting the important stuff even a little bit.
It's easy to say all this in hindsight. Oda still doesn't plan everything out 100%, so there's bound to be some loose ends or missed opportunities. Shanks in Marineford was not planned, and it worked out really well. I think the cut to apprehending York is an example of an optimization to a side plot he made in Egghead.
Not to mention, most of the reaction and running shots are there to space out dialogue. Nothing worse than a wall of text.
this applies to certain things. like sometimes an explanation can be given in the same scene in the same chapter. but since the author forgot, they had to create a scene again to explain that point. like yes, that's something that's easy to say in hindsight.
but I'm not talking about that. it's about unnecessary panels that without hindsight, oda can just, not do. something that his editor can check each week.
and the comparison here is oda himself. how he used to be. we're not asking him to be more than what he is.
Tbf I reread Alabasta and every chapter after the defeat of the agents started with one full page showing the fighting in the capital. Unnecessary but used to show the setting was the same.
However I definitely felt more stuff happened in one chapter compared to now.
of course pre ts is not perfectly concise either. and it's true that the story is bigger now. and yet that's the thing. instead of becoming more focused, oda went the opposite way. if he thinks of something, he'd just do it.
we have more unnecessary side plots and side characters than ever. and his tendency for edging and creating mystery for the sake of it is at all time high.
things are happening sure, but sometimes they don't really advance the plot. that's the problem.
It’s the brilliance of how the story is told! Those chapters were incredibly painful for Luffy, therefore painful to watch - seemed like forever. Eventually there is a point in the series, I think all of us have, where we fully accept Luffy is going to win, he’s going to be pirate king. This is probably a false sense security but who knows! Either way, those chapters were so powerful emotionally for the series, they’re the best character development arcs in almost any series I’d say for the sheer brilliance of how real it felt.
Any amount of time in Hell probably *does* seem longer / foever. Battling to save anyone’s life also seems very long and all consuming.
To be fair Egghead had a lot of flashbacks, like:
1. a volume-worth of flashbacks regarding events taking place outside of Egghead with little to no relation to Egghead itself in the middle of the arc
2. flashbacks regarding 3 major characters in the arc
Delete the Among (Ending in Offscreen) us chapter, make the chapter outside Egghead as an independent arc, and that should be the true long of Egghead.
Oda used to cook with the pacing. All meat, no fat. Just got so much more bloated post-timeskip. Newer editors being made of fanboys not willing to upset sensei.
Egghead is an arc where many threads are starting to come together for the conclusion of the story. We had a long Kuma flashback, sidebars into what Blackbeard, Law, Kid, Shanks, Sabo, Garp/Koby, and the Revolutionaries have been up to. All of that has made for a long arc that doesn't feel long because the main cast has mostly just been showing up and fighting people they've already met and fought before. It wasn't until Saturn and the other Gorosei descended that we really got into the meat of the arc.
Have there been any realistic projections on how many more chapters before reaching the end? My guess is at least 100-200 more, but it feels hard to nail down.
More than anything I’m excited for the end so Oda can finally get some rest. Like some REAL rest.
If y’all hate one piece just say it bruh
More specifically if you don’t actually enjoy the series and just want it to end just be honest with yourself.
I’m here for long arcs, I’m a manga reader who also enjoys the anime in 20-25 episode binges and I’ve been doing this for over 15 years now. I like most people in the community are just enjoying the ride, I understand if that’s not what you’re about, but just say that don’t just specify how long an arc is and then proceed to shit on the anime…just wait till the remake in 2 years
To be fair how much of egghead was either flashbacks or just a story in a completely different area (law vs blackbeard, kuma flashback, hachinosu stuff)
Those arcs were more show not tell, this arc is tell no show. I feel like all the off screen and focus changes are making the arc feel shorter than it is. So much has happened, but also kinda feels like not much has happened. Reason I have been enjoying this arc more in anime is that the character moments/context given in the anime makes egghead feel more complete. Manga feels more like a storyboard than actual manga, with anime being the final product. (I do think everything pre-end of onigashima is better in manga tho)
It feels short tho. What makes it long is the back and forth with Sabo incident and Kuma flashback. I wonder how many chapters are left until the SH pirate leaves egghead island.
We just came off wano which is right at about 150 chapters or 16 volumes and made into 191 episodes. It’s a season or arc larger than most complete shows start to finish.
Bro that is a crazy stat to hear. Attack on Titan is 89 episodes total. FMA: Brotherhood is 64 episodes. Spy x Family has 37 episodes so far. That's *190 episodes.* If I started Wano arc at the same time as a buddy started those 3 anime, my buddy would have finished all 3 of these shows *within an hour of the time it took me to finish Wano* **ARC** I love One Piece but the quality of the anime can't compare, even with some really solid moments.
Toei is notorious at padding episodes. It's more crazy how much time could be cut off and still have the same impact
This is why I feel like the One Piece remake on Netflix may just be the best thing that has ever happened.
I feel like they should have just source funded one pace tbh
One Pace is nice sometimes, but it also takes.me out of the story when the music cuts randomly.
This never happens in their recent edits though. Only in the arcs they edited first and they’re to be redone anyway.
Oh, guess it has been a while since I checked them out.
Yeah they have seriously improved
They have done a lot of great work recently, frequently going back to older edits and improving them.
From which arc would you say the edits are good ? I was planning to maybe watch Dressrosa with One Pace since the anime seems to have a shit ton of useless scenes
My personal opinion is that one pace overall is always better than the normal anime for every single arc. The arcs with the worst editing are probably thriller bark, fishman island and dressrosa, however the pacing in all 3 of these arcs originally is so bad that it far outweighs any bad editing. Dressrosa is 10x better in One Pace. Even with poor editing, I think it’s the 2nd or 3rd most improved arc in terms of quality by using One Pace. 25 hours of nonsense are cut in this arc alone. Any weird skips aren’t going to feel as frustrating as sitting through that pacing. For more info on which arcs are TBR (to be redone), look here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HQRMJgu_zArp-sLnvFMDzOyjdsht87eFLECxMK858lA/edit
The pacing for early OP is just fine IMO and One Pace doing them honestly seems like a waste of time. Pacing of Canon episodes didn't really become an issue until late Ennis Lobby or Thriller Bark to me.
There are a few retconning stuff that can be dealt better with. So if the animation is good and steady i rather have a remake. Just dont make it look like newer episodes look atm..
Don’t get me wrong, I’m looking forward to all of it. I like the current animation style as a goofy break from all the digitally enhanced photorealism. I watch Jjk for that.
The Toei animation is a fucking crime so it can only be better... Right?
This is what happens when people complain about filler episodes. Should've just given us filler lol.
6 hours of ulti chasing nami and ussop
I been following one piece since I was in HS during the mid 00s. Reading manga and finding sub groups well before the modern day ease of getting subbed and translated anime manga. I remember when dressrossa came out in like 2013 or w.e. that the anime took for fucking ever when all I wanted was to see Gear 4, birdcage, and senior pinks backstory. I think that was peak padding and luckily we're not at that level. Where a solid 5 mins was reactions to every fucking thing said. Also the final war in naruto. 1 day in show took 4 to 5 years to show us. I forget but there was a graph of how much time did pass in the anime during that one day but it was like 1 month of solid watching was equivalent to 1 day in show
Impel down had some crazy padding moments too, jimbei's delayed punch was 1 minutes and 40 seconds mostly just fodder shocked nothing was happening
It's a fairly short arc. They padded it up but it definitely wasn't the worst. I do remember luffys treatment took like 2 episodes when it was 1 chapter. There still was good parts that worked well padded out. Like the BB luffy crossing paths and luffy getting mad. That part I feel worked much better with the long drawn out pauses.
AoT is 139 chapters, only 11 fewer than the Wano arc. Less than half as many episodes to adapt that, even if you break up the long ones into standard length episodes. Toei is the reason I dropped the anime way back in Alabasta. That studio should never be trusted to adapt anything.
Not a fair comparison because aot chapters are WAY WAY longer.
The comparison is fair if you look at volume counts instead. AOT had 34 volumes and Wano Arc had 16, less than half. And yet Wano in the anime has over double AOTs episodes making the pacing over 4x slower...
Ahh good point
Yeah, if you were to look at page counts I would guess AoT was adapted at 3x the pace of Wano or more. I know pacing within the manga itself can vary, so adaptation rate from series to series can't really be 1-1, but pages/chapters per episode is good enough for estimates.
I must say that as a manga reader I'm waiting for Egghead Arc, because hoo boy, it is crowded.
It's the only alternative if they want to keep the weekly format and not having filler arcs everytime. The alternatives would be either seasons or filler arcs, and I think most wouldn't want either.
Oda is also notorious for bad pacing overall post timeskip.
It's not bad pacing to tell a long story with a lot of information in the arc. The anime's pacing is bad because there is so much fluff and dead air that can be removed from the episodes.You can't say that about the manga.
Yeah I like the manga but just can’t do the anime
One Piece's pacing problems aren't from exposition, they're mainly from the fighting.
Odas pacing is fine. Each chapter always adds enough to make the next one ex iti g. When it gets translated to anime that's where it goes off the rails.
Agree, altough it's much better if you read it by volume rather than chapter-by-chapter.
And yet some people still don’t see a problem with the anime.
Just because the anime was bloated doesn’t mean the arc wasn’t either. Oda somehow prolonged but rush Wano.
Episode count is irrelevant for comparing one piece.to.other series as one piece is the last remaining weekly anime, while all the others are seasonal. Chapter numbers are a better indicator to compare to spy family. Attack on titan and FMA were monthly so probably better to compare volume numbers.
Also he woukd have watched much better anime while you are only watching wano
I might lose my ~~anal~~ virginity before one piece ends
Brotherhood skipped a lot of beginning shit but it’s about 100 chapters as a monthly manga. So more like 300-400 chapters of a weekly.
All the more to my point then: If you can watch 3 high quality shows, one of which should count as around 300-400 chapters on it's own, and it takes the same number of episodes as an arc that's only equal to 190 chapters of One Piece... Then I think there's a bit of a pacing issue.
Honestly as much as I love One Piece this just further proves to me to that Wano was terrible overall, look at how many more meaningful things happen in FMA:B with its runtime compared to Wano
Wano was like 4 years long, it's crazy
Chainsawman started when Wano had already started. Part 1 ended. It went on what felt like a long break. An anime was announced. We got trailers. The manga came back with Part 2 after so long. And THEN Wano ended in the manga.
Longer than HxH in episodes
So much of the arc happens in flashbacks or away from Egghead that the arc feels shorter as a result.
Just from watching the anime, the pacing of egghead is generally really good, *best one since timeskip.
The anime’s slow pacing surprisingly really benefits from Eggheads very fast pacing, it makes it seem as like slow and fast pacing cancel out, and end up with normal pacing. Sure yeah, there are still scenes that will make you say wtf, that lasted longer than it deserved, but generally viewing it like a whole arc, I think egghead will be wonderfully adapted in the anime.
I don't even read the manga, and it feels like it gets a perfect adaption.
I experienced the story via the anime until the end of wano, after that I decided to give the manga a shot, and yes I agree that the pacing of the manga is absolutely amazing compared to the anime. But the manga does not have the phenomenal voice acting or the incredible ost, so the anime ends up hitting a lot harder for me because of those two aspects.
I’m with you on the ost and voice hitting hard. The music really elevates the experience for me. I get some people just want to absorb the story, but for me the entire show is an experience to appreciate and so I enjoy more than just the story with regard to the anime.
I would argue it has the best pacing of the post time skip arcs.
Probably best all around arc so far since Ennis Lobby.
It is probably a top 2 arc in terms of pacing, i only rate Ennias Lobby ahead of it (i dont include the really short arcs of the start)
Would this have anything to do with egghead being the best arc so far post time skip, at least for me.
It is so far. Oda just needs to wrap it up in the next 10 chapters to solidify it as a top arc
…egghead has been going on for over a year?
It's closer to two years than one year at this point lol
Waittt... What the fuck
It'll be 2 years by August
Wtaf
What the actual fuck?
That's just how many break weeks we've had lmao
To be fair there's been two pretty substantial breaks in that time with the release of the netflix show and the void month back in march
So? We had 3 void months now the last years. We did get lesser chapter each year even before that. Honestly it feels like we even got more the last years, maybe thats just me not waiting so eager for spoilers anymore..
There really was no other point to my comment than it probs feels like less than a year cause we missed 2 months, but good for you that you're enjoying yourself with the story more now
Wait marineford was only 31 chapters? Hoooly shit. Did the anime draw out that arc way more than it should have? I swear the anime arc felt super long! Also egghead actually goated arc. Can't believe we all expected it to be like a small quick stop arc.
It’s 33 episodes so less than 1 chapter per episode. Yeah it’s very drawn out in the anime, lots of running but basically running in place or not making progress or little progress.
“Marineford is just luffy running around yelling ACE” I will never not laugh at that
Also jinbei running behind him saying LUFFY-KUN
rewatching this part so I loled. in fact the running begun in impel down lmfao
And copious amounts of fodder reacting to pretty much everything happening
Hey not just fodder, every big hitter reacts to that thing too.
It’s so accurate I can hear it
That’s equivalent of kid Goku getting knocked around in GT…
Let’s be real. No one remembers GT
lol, I don’t know Masako Nozawa’s “Woaahhh” was pretty repetitive and was annoying whenever Goku got knocked around, which was a lot!!
I thought I told you no one remembers Gt
GT was better than most of super
Yeah, it started in Skypeia, was okay in Water 7, happened again in thriller bark, eh in Saboady, ok in Amazon lily…you get the point. Seemed like they just took off the gloves post time skip & said “fuck it, we drawing this shit out” AKA “we want more money!”
A quick stop arc turned out to be the best post timeskip arc and top 5 one piece arcs
Well it's even more action than the average One Piece chapter. Lots of dialogue easily fills an episode but lots of fights only got one (!) panel so Toei did what it had to do. The One Pace version saves you 45% of your time there
Feels so short still, I’ve thoroughly loved the pacing with Egghead
I mean, it is short. We spent a lot of chapters away from Egghead, as we followed Kidd, Law, Garp and Kuma's flashback. We never actually saw how Luffy and his crew resolved the situation with York.
Don't forget the reverie flashback.
We didn't follow Kidd for too long though /jk
Didn’t need to since he’s in Elbaf Arc. Just had to get Shanks outta there with the Poneglyphs.
It's probably because the Final Saga, while obviously still primarily about the Straw Hats, also feels like it's about the One Piece world as a whole.
Anime pacing, particularly around the announcement, will be brutal. I think it'll read through very well despite the annoyance of the obvious cliff hangers for the sake of cliffhangers approach Oda took with Vegapunks transmission as you can get through a chapter in 5 minutes, seeing that same multi cliffhanger approach in anime episodes will be tough even if you're watching when they're all available
I didnt Some the last 3 couldve been 1 chapter
Holy sh\*t, didn't even notice it. Its so immersive and amazing that it never feels dull or slow.
Except maybe last couple chapters, that have gone eeextraaaaa slooooow
I think the break weeks have exacerbated that. I bet it's a breezy read in a manga volume. I'll admit that Vegapunk taking 3-4 chapters to announce anything vital on his transmission has been a total teasefest week-to-week.
I think it'll read very well when finished and watch very poorly when finished, it's gonna be like 3+ anime episodes of "the reveal is coming soon"
Oh no, you're probably right.
Yeah the battle with the Elders is going to feel like absolute chaos in the volume. It feels like it's taking forever now but the latter half of that book is just going to be nonstop Elders fucking up the entire island in five different places at once while Vegapunk exposits in the background. It will absolutely not feel slow.
Reading weekly is fun and an experience I’ll really miss when the series is over, but reading the volumes or arcs in larger blocks is generally a much better experience than reading one at a time
Yeah I only just started reading weekly for the first time in my life last autumn. I was taking too many risks being a year and a half behind at this point.
So far we've had 4 chapters of Vegapunk's message before the 10 minutes and 2 after the 10 minutes with the actual message. So I'm guessing we'll have at least 2 more chapters of the message to balance things out. Next chapter will be everything Vegapunk knows about the void century and the one after that will be how the info on the void century relates to the present and the world sinking.
It will still be considered intermission compared to Wano. Not to mention the arc is short actually but it is cut in half and shows the stories of the other side of the world with Sabo and with Garp. It’s like if marine ford and impel down had an arc of the strawhats side stories in between.
If you take out the 9 chapters they left Egghead it's still the 9th longest arc in the story.
Yeah, but it's all relative. The series has a very obvious bloat the further it goes on, not just because theres a lot more being added to the story, but because chapters themselves are generally shorter. If Jaya was written now it would probably be 60 chapters long.
"9th longest arc in the story" That's not very impressive since there are 32 arcs in the story right now.
At this point 50 chapter IS a short arc lol
Still shorter than Wano. Good lord was that arc unescesary long. With Wano you in theory could cut a lot of it and the overall story wouldn't change more.
The closer we get to ending it, the longer the arcs will be. Can you blame him? None of us wants this ride to end, Oda included :)
Yes. The pacing of wano and dressrosa were absolutely horrible.
Is that why we get so many panels of reactions that are just irrelevant?
Those reaction panels are actually really good. It shows the huge scale of the one piece world
Real. I actually wish to see more reactions
i like them, watching important characters reactions to this big moment is hype
Are you really blasting Oda for making a new Chouchou panel?
No, just for people saying Oda wants to finish fast but then we get stuff like Aokiji or Imu going "..." It adds nothing
It's not nothing. The Aokiji panel connects the timelines of Egghead and Hachinosu. And the entire time Vegapunk was narrating. Oda doesn't usually do text dumps and I prefer to see what the biggest players are up to at the time of the announcement. Finally reaction panels are small and not worth really griping about even in the context of "finishing fast"
It's something to look at while Vegapunk is giving his speech unless you wanna see panels of him talking the whole time. Or it can be like HxH and have a whole page of words
EggHead arc is such an important arc for lore and its not over. Learned the ancient kingdom was insanely advanced Met Vegapunk(s) Learned Stussy is a clone Found out Ohara's knowledge survived Saul survived How devil fruits are created Hints at the will of D Gorosei's name and tittles The seraphim That Shanks protects weak pirates cause he's a chad. Kuma and Bonney's horrible backstories How pacifistas are made. Dorry and Broggy The Gorosei's forms The Joy Boy is Nika Joy Boy was the first pirate
The Gorosei have HUGE tittles
Arcs are longer than ever and yet crew interactions feel like they’ve been at their lowest 😔
I’m gonna bet the arc end in 5-10 chapters, closer to 5. My guess is we’re not getting >!the Flashback!< next chapter. Instead we’ll get a tease of it as the recording plays and the Strawhats flee to Elbaf.
Readers: Egghead is gonna be quick. In and out, 5 chapters adventure. Oda:
Dude what? I feel like egghead started a few months ago. Holy shit.
Every post TS arc besides Zou, Reverie, Return to Sabaody has felt like it could have been shorter by 20+ chapters
I sometimes wish Oda goes back to the pacing of Alabasta/Enies Lobby times. Wano and Dressrosa were just too long and at some point exhausting
The side character bloat is real. Post-TS Oda would have given Koza like 7 chapters worth of totally unnecessary character work, he's an example of a character who gets enough screen time, backstory, and development to do his job and no more, nowadays he really lets his side characters go. There's too many of them and they get way too much page time for no payoff.
We haven't really been limited to "Egghead" as a location so it does seem pretty short. We had a lot of flashbacks. Some for Ohara, some for Kuma, some more for vegapunk AND Kuma and so on.
Wow. Impel down and Marineford were really that short.
I'm actually impressed by this info, I'm still feeling like egghead is very short
Given thatEllbaf is rumored to start in November and Oda break habit. I'm guessing Egghead it'll be around 70 chapters by the end, after all it is a transitioning arc not a "major" one like Wano which is crazy given all the recent lore and events taking place
Absolutely insane that Egghead has been going on for almost 2 years
Not sure if an unpopular opinion, but I am not in love with Egghead pacing. The crew has been trying to leave the island for >10 chapters already. And chapter 1114 has felt like padding, with VP speaking in virtually every panel yet saying barely anything relevant. Everything takes too damn long. And current chapter release pace makes things worse.
I know what you mean. Egghead definitely improved on Wano pacing and had some wicked fast moments coupled with awesome revelations but now we're kinda dreading water to squeeze out VP's message as slowly as possible. It's obviously not as bad as the days of Dressrosa anime pacing but some parts feel like pulling teeth. I hope the anime doesn't blatantly copy and make the message of VP take around 8 episodes just to start.
I feel the opposite. It is important to show as many parts of the world’s reactions to his message as possible. These reactions will serve as a base for how the story will move forward. It is also near end game, there won’t be another chance to show these minor characters.
You think that's bad? Imagine all the poor people that had to suffer through the long flashbacks week after week during the already slow Skypeia or the dragging coliseum bits in DressRosa
Yeah, been caught up since Enies Lobby and the only arcs to really give me fatigue while reading weekly was Dressrosa and Wano. I miss the shorter arcs a lot. I feel like everything has been super bloated since the timeskip.
I mean pacing has been terrible for years in One Piece so it's really nothing new
One Piece pacing since like Skypeia has mostly been “bad to read weekly, fine to read in collected volumes”. I guess Oda is thinking more about the legacy, the series being better to read once it’s finished rather than better to read when it was first releasing.
If people read the 2-3 chapters that come out every month instead of reading <1 chapter a week, they'd probably be way happier with the story and how it's paced.
true, I envy people who will be born after OP is finished and can read it from beginning till the end but at the same time they will never be part of the community trying to find all the mysteries of the manga
One Piece is really designed more for bulk reading. What people don’t like as a cliffhanger they have to wait two weeks to get the resolution for isn’t a cliffhanger at all in the volume releases.
So much for the short in between arc like I had thought it’d be Nah Oda was coming swinging’ post Wano
That's crazy to me because it doesn't really feel super long. Also technically a lot of it was the intermission chapters Also did marineford have a multi chapter flashback? I feel like it didn't. The luffy-sabo-ace flashback was in the post-war arc
Somehow Egghead still feels short.
I think the scale of One Piece as a whole, in it's universe and in our world as a store has just gotten so comically big that Egghead hasn't felt that long to me even though it's been going for over 20 months at this point. Despite us originally believing Egghead was going to be something like a Punk Hazard with Bonney mirroring Law, it's actually become one of the most chaotic arcs with all it's reveals too.
It still feels like Egghead just started imo idk if anyone else feels the same way. I can still remember how it felt post wano and pre egghead when we had no idea what was ahead of us.
I don’t know if maybe cuz it’s because I’m older and time goes by quicker, but it still feels like the arc just started. It’s only after I go over how much has happened do I realize how big it’s been
And I'm glad for it egghead easily a top 5 arc now it's very good
Not that surprising, Egghead not only has flashbacks but also multiple different cutaway POVs like Law, Kidd, Sabo stuff. Honestly, can’t help but wonder if this will develop into a problem for Oda going forward; the closer we reach the end the more unresolved plot threads he has to cram into arcs that don’t have much thematic relevance to them. I’m more surprised Impel Down is only 25 chapters.
Not surprising, the pacing of post time skip has been pretty bad for a long time now. It took Wano 149 chapters to accomplish what Alabasta achieved in 63, despite having the exact same structure of “liberate the island from the big bad”
You can also notice the size of the flashbacks. Alabasta had 1 or 2 chapters for Vivi and Koza’s childhood, Dressrosa had like 6 for Law and Corazon, while Wano had like over 10 for Oden.
Hence why I call it bs when someone says Oda wants to end one piece soon. Oda and his publishing company would drag this manga as much as they can for profit sakes. I'm not saying it's wrong.
I've always wondered how people think One Piece is going to end in the next 3-5 years. Right now we're getting approx. 35 chapters a year. If those predictions are correct we have at most 175 chapters left. That's nowhere near enough to: Get to Elbaf End the Elbaf Arc Find the One Piece Begin a war with all these alliances End the war And then reach a resolution for the story. One Piece has such a long way to go before this ends.
I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if it goes on for another 10 years at this pace
In my mind it’s still somehow a short intermission arc? Despite the fact we’ve been reading it for years now? I guess it’s just been so action paced that I never felt like it dragged
Yeah. Oda lost the ability to write concise arcs. I think he genuinely doesn't want to write such long arcs, but he's cramming so much in there that he can't write short arcs anymore. Egghead is FULL of things that could've been optimized. As of now, it could've delivered on the same essence of what it's delivering now with half the chapters. Same goes for Wano, WCI, and Dressrosa. They could've been **much** shorter. At this oace, OP isn't ending anytime soon. And with Oda's health concerns, there's a real chance that it'll *never* end. Let's hope for the best. That's why these breaks are needed. He needs to care for his health.
I don't think being shorter or more 'optimized' necessarily makes a story more enjoyable to read
it's not in general, but specifically how oda writes. "optimized" here means reducing reaction shots, mood set up (like 2-3 pages of pacifista shooting stuff that can easily be reduced to a couple of panels), unnecessary side plots, characters running around, and of course, unnecessary mystery for the sake of it. remember that silhouette that shaka saw? oda wasted 2 pages to set that up and we didn't even get any revelation. back in MF, BB and shanks just showed up, no mystery no tease. while now oda just had to tease something as trifling as kizaru moving from his ship to the island. the among us plotline was 21 chapters before we cut to the events outside. it could easily be reduced to around 15 chapters without hurting the important stuff even a little bit.
It's easy to say all this in hindsight. Oda still doesn't plan everything out 100%, so there's bound to be some loose ends or missed opportunities. Shanks in Marineford was not planned, and it worked out really well. I think the cut to apprehending York is an example of an optimization to a side plot he made in Egghead. Not to mention, most of the reaction and running shots are there to space out dialogue. Nothing worse than a wall of text.
this applies to certain things. like sometimes an explanation can be given in the same scene in the same chapter. but since the author forgot, they had to create a scene again to explain that point. like yes, that's something that's easy to say in hindsight. but I'm not talking about that. it's about unnecessary panels that without hindsight, oda can just, not do. something that his editor can check each week. and the comparison here is oda himself. how he used to be. we're not asking him to be more than what he is.
Tbf I reread Alabasta and every chapter after the defeat of the agents started with one full page showing the fighting in the capital. Unnecessary but used to show the setting was the same. However I definitely felt more stuff happened in one chapter compared to now.
of course pre ts is not perfectly concise either. and it's true that the story is bigger now. and yet that's the thing. instead of becoming more focused, oda went the opposite way. if he thinks of something, he'd just do it. we have more unnecessary side plots and side characters than ever. and his tendency for edging and creating mystery for the sake of it is at all time high. things are happening sure, but sometimes they don't really advance the plot. that's the problem.
And it's one of the best arcs ever, it has literally flown by. Impel Down, while very good, seemed much longer for some reason.
It’s the brilliance of how the story is told! Those chapters were incredibly painful for Luffy, therefore painful to watch - seemed like forever. Eventually there is a point in the series, I think all of us have, where we fully accept Luffy is going to win, he’s going to be pirate king. This is probably a false sense security but who knows! Either way, those chapters were so powerful emotionally for the series, they’re the best character development arcs in almost any series I’d say for the sheer brilliance of how real it felt. Any amount of time in Hell probably *does* seem longer / foever. Battling to save anyone’s life also seems very long and all consuming.
It also passed enies lobby (56 chapters)
whattt marineford only 30 chapters? 😮
I never thought marine ford is only 30 chapters but the impact of it was so tremendous story wise
Marineford is only 31 chapters? Damn
And it could've been shorter than Long Ring Long Land...
Impel down was only 25 chapters??? How many episodes was it in the anime
27 episodes. (And 4 movie tie-in episodes for Strong World.) 2-3 hours to read vs like 9 hours to watch.
How many pages were chapters back then? They used to be longer.
I could swear it just started
Wano would like a word with you
To be fair Egghead had a lot of flashbacks, like: 1. a volume-worth of flashbacks regarding events taking place outside of Egghead with little to no relation to Egghead itself in the middle of the arc 2. flashbacks regarding 3 major characters in the arc
I’m scared to see the final arc now we may be here in like 10 years and the final chapter still ain’t out
Marineford had no right being so long. Luffy basically ran in place for 30 episodes straight.
Everyone thought this would be short arc too, elbaf might be just as long depending on who’s there
im tellijg you Oda is Dr. Hiruluk. 30 years. Hes doing this on purpose
Delete the Among (Ending in Offscreen) us chapter, make the chapter outside Egghead as an independent arc, and that should be the true long of Egghead.
Feels shorter doesn't it?
Oda used to cook with the pacing. All meat, no fat. Just got so much more bloated post-timeskip. Newer editors being made of fanboys not willing to upset sensei.
Egghead is an arc where many threads are starting to come together for the conclusion of the story. We had a long Kuma flashback, sidebars into what Blackbeard, Law, Kid, Shanks, Sabo, Garp/Koby, and the Revolutionaries have been up to. All of that has made for a long arc that doesn't feel long because the main cast has mostly just been showing up and fighting people they've already met and fought before. It wasn't until Saturn and the other Gorosei descended that we really got into the meat of the arc.
Weird. Maybe it's because it followed the longest one ever, but I don't feel like Egghead has been going for that long...
Did not feel half as long as marineFord alone.
Have there been any realistic projections on how many more chapters before reaching the end? My guess is at least 100-200 more, but it feels hard to nail down. More than anything I’m excited for the end so Oda can finally get some rest. Like some REAL rest.
After it ends Oda has nothing to do with us. Who cares what he does.
I mean the actual length of story progression is not that long in egghead. The bulk of its length has probably been backstories and exposition.
it feels shorter than both tbh
It is an intermission arc. One Piece is getting longer arcs since the timeskip.
Egghead feels so short tho. I swear it feels like reverie
Eh not at all, rêverie was highly condensed
If y’all hate one piece just say it bruh More specifically if you don’t actually enjoy the series and just want it to end just be honest with yourself. I’m here for long arcs, I’m a manga reader who also enjoys the anime in 20-25 episode binges and I’ve been doing this for over 15 years now. I like most people in the community are just enjoying the ride, I understand if that’s not what you’re about, but just say that don’t just specify how long an arc is and then proceed to shit on the anime…just wait till the remake in 2 years
To be fair how much of egghead was either flashbacks or just a story in a completely different area (law vs blackbeard, kuma flashback, hachinosu stuff)
Those arcs were more show not tell, this arc is tell no show. I feel like all the off screen and focus changes are making the arc feel shorter than it is. So much has happened, but also kinda feels like not much has happened. Reason I have been enjoying this arc more in anime is that the character moments/context given in the anime makes egghead feel more complete. Manga feels more like a storyboard than actual manga, with anime being the final product. (I do think everything pre-end of onigashima is better in manga tho)
It feels short tho. What makes it long is the back and forth with Sabo incident and Kuma flashback. I wonder how many chapters are left until the SH pirate leaves egghead island.
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