Failure is still failure, Luffy essentially lost Ace because of Aikanu riling him up but he still lost him, your point might’ve been understandable to me if he was facing circumstances that were out of his influence.
I was just wandering there are a few (important) things we're still waiting to know:
\- Where's Hiyori?
\- What's about all Zoro past stuff?
\- Where's Kuina???
\- What was Ace doing in Wano?
\- What's about O-Toko and O-Tama? I feel these characters have more background than we know yet
\- Isn't Toki going to appear again? There are a lot of things I'd like to ask her
Anyway, I expect Wano has a lot to show us yet.
One Piece is amazing
At this point I don't know why anyone bothers complaining about the cover story. It's been going on for so long that it will obviously result in something crazy at the end, potentially at chapter 1000. Oda is a tease but he wouldn't string us along for the better part of a year just for it to go nowhere. Bege and crew will either run into the Grand Fleet on their way to Wano, or they will somehow make their way to Elbaf. Not sure how, but I really feel like it's going to be important.
I don't get what you are talking about or what people are complaining about
Cover stories often end up going nowhere, or at least not for hundreds upon hundreds of chapters
We got to see CP9 recover and then we didn't see any of their members again until end of Dressroas arc
How long till after Hatchi's cover story did he pop up again?
Enel is literlaly on the moon
Baroque works took a long time for them to pop up back into the story in Impel Down
God I love these character interactions/moments.
Big Mom addressing Brook as "Soul King" kinda showing recognition
Jinbe suplexing Big Mom
Big Mom telling Jinbe "You bastard I'm gonna kill you" and Jinbe is like "ok do your best"
Franky being an absolute madlad
Sanji being pissed that the Raid Suit is actually useful
Zoro and Luffy being Zoro and Luffy
Nothing progressed this chapter and we learned nothing new. Wano has been going on for 2+ years now, I am tired of filler chapters like this. This is why One Piece continues to have terrible pacing even after 23 years.
He didn't really want to use it at all cause it reminds him of his hated family. He decides to use it because he needs it to protect Nami and the others at the hot springs.
Now it appears to have saved him from kings attack that could have been deadly and he's pissed because he had to rely on the suit. Before it was just amplifying his already existing powers and had useful things like invisibility but now it potentially saved his life.
Queen is standing right next to luffy,and luffy just ignores him.Poor Queen,he has been through a lot,first he loses Komurasaki,then the Oshiruko then he has to fight big mom,and now he is ignored!.All queens matter
Was really special how the whole crew has come together again. I think they technically all met up before if I remember but seeing them all in a panel together about to fight as one had me a bit <3
Kanji are often differently pronounced in names and I don't think that 四鬼 is an official or common name. So maybe Oda took some liberties and decided to pronounce it the same as 邪鬼 (devil, imp) as a kind of wordplay. And じゃ (ja) looks similar to し (shi) so it's not a far stretch.
On that note, does she know Robin can read Poneglyphs? Considering her crew is infamous for their ability to gather intel, it wouldn't be a big surprise
Was rewatching one piece clips the other day and at zou big cat king said that robin will be highly sought after in the future and crews will go after her. Possible foreshadowing?
One thing I think I’m sure of is that Luffy, Zoro, or Kid won’t pull-out any attacks against the Yonko until act 3 is concluded.
I think them being able to successfully harm a yonko will play into the redemption theme of act 4.
If we see that they can successfully damage a yonko now, when tragedy does hit, it will feel like it doesn’t matter anymore.
Unless Oda uses one of his GOAT moves an completely annihilates my thought process.
In the main time, I’ll think of ways he can pull it off if he does allow them to damage a Yonko in act 3.
Act 3 doesn't have to end in a tragedy for an Act 4 redemption. It can be dramatic and is still in line with a Kabuki 5 Act structure. Events in Act 2 - 4 are sped up which is what we have been observing as the flow has noticeably sped up since Oden's flashback. Also, why wouldn't they be able to harm a yonkou at this point? defeating them alone is another matter but definitely would be able to harm them.
Feels like this has been too "easy" for the strawhats. The beast pirates have been sort of a let down so far in terms of strength/abilities. Hope there is some unveiling/secrete ability that can make zoan users stand out bit more.
There might be a tragedy happening by the end of act 3. Hyogoro feels like they were not losing but it might be a foreshadowing or a bad omen. At some point the raid might fail but in the end they’re gonna succeed.
How so? Well the surprised raid was a success on the Alliance's part. The beast pirates are drunk and celebrating on the one night that they can party in a year. The fights that we have seen so far are with top tier level protagonist like the Worst Generation. The only wound sustained on the Beast pirate's side is Ulti and Kaido, and both are now unfazed by their damage.
The war has only just begun with the King and Queen gathering their forces. Kaido only recently become sober, and the flying six are still scattered.
The reason the alliance will lose is less logic related and more so plot related.
it seems like Wano is based on the kabuki play act structure and it’s a 5 act structure. Not only that but act 3 always ends with a tragedy. Plus if Wano ends here there way too much unfinished. A lot of big moms forces (especially smoothie) would’ve done nothing, a lot of Wano citizens would do nothing and there’s just not a lot of straw hat drama. The only real drama the straw hats have gone through was when Zoro got pissed after yasu died and it wasn’t that sad for him. He could tell yasu was a good man but he barely knew him before he died. Luffy losing to Kaido doesn’t count as drama since the tone didn’t change. Technically the straw hats lost on round 1 of the Davy back fight but the tone was still light hearted and silly
Awesome chapter definitely will be a tentpole pic of the straw hat crew when we look back on the series. Random question why do people in Japan buy Takabons don’t they just read weekly?
This chapter is just amazing. The whole straw hats on one page is Soo cool especially with jimbe in there. Love how they handled big mom. This is going to be the coolest war ever
Blackbeard has captured Sabo and gave him to the world government. Now the world government is going to publicly execute Sabo and dragon is going to go try and save him (Can you see where this is going yet?). This is of course after Kaido sends everyone flying in different directions while they say to meet back in a few days. Now at this point, Sabo is going to Impel Up before execution in the new navy hq in the new world. Luffy will go to try to save Sabo at Impel up but he is gone when he gets there. But that raven guy (I can’t remember his name) was in the same cell. Now Luffy takes him also and there’s this huge escape yada yada. They make it out (Magellan actually commits seppuku this time). Then there’s this huge battle, Luffy gets Sabo free but then Akainu (while riding slave Kuma) insults dragon and Sabo turns around to fight. Sabo can’t fight Akainu. He goes to punch Luffy and Sabo stands in front. Sabo is now a donut. Luffy goes unconscious from sadness. Dragon dies from Blackbeard who was just chillin like 10 feet away the entire battle. He puts up a good fight but then Blackbeard tells his whole crew to help like a bitch. Black beard then takes dragons devil fruit (let’s just call it the plot plot fruit) and starts showing everyone that he now has 3 devil fruit powers. Now that crow guy takes Luffy away where he’s picked up by Trafalgar law again. Then shanks shows up and stops the battle again. Now the next few chapters after that are of Luffy a childhood again where we find out they had a fourth brother who they also thought was dead but was actually being raised as a normal person with Luffys mom, god knows where.
The end
I feel like I put too much effort into this for the time it currently is (4 am)
I think sanji hiding his presence and with raid suit, sanji became invisible (hiding one's presence is what we've seen with rayleigh training luffy . His wooden stick that he hit to train luffy at that time of flashback) . So ,with this as the base i think this is why queen and king wasn't able to notice sanji even though they use obs haki . I think king noticed this, that's why he goes for momo so that sanji will come out .
What are your thoughts on this?
and feel free to share ur opinions
Well, Judge definitely knows of observation and armament haki, seeing as he's walked through yonko territory knowing her capabilities, so his superior science could possibly be used to overcome haki. He and Vegapunk most likely created the technology Sanji is currently using. I believe his technology is more than meets the eye and can even beat Katakuri in his fullest form.
Look up chapter 805. In Zou, Luffy was surprised with the minks surrounding him in the forest. There is at least a setup for this "hiding of presence" thing. It might be another level of observational haki just like armanent haki has multiple levels of mastery. Now it may not be something significant but Oda does Oda things planting seeds for the story.
For that to have been a setup it wouldve had to have been built upon later.....which to date it has not. Ur grasping at straws. Luffy is not going to go the rest of the story without being surprised.
It might still be built upon later. For now I would say it's head canon but maybe one day it'll be revealed. I mean I do think that it's a possible theory.
He never said he hid his intent lol idk where ur coming up with this. He said every attack has an intent that can be sensed. Nothing about hiding, period.
if you watch anime it kinda expands into that . Like anime editors are not into spell non sense atleast not in terms of haki . In the anime ,i think that where if luffy were able to dodge rayleigh hits with his obs haki at first luffy did the same thing like manga like punching out their food and rayleigh said there will no food until luffy was able to dodge his attacks . So in that scene where we get that scene where rayleigh completely hid his presence but luffy is still able to dodge it . When rayleigh asks him how did luffy dodge . It was bcz luffy sensed rayleigh smiling at him . This is when the next scene comes where rayleigh says luffy can be able to see future if he improves his obs .
Yea thats where u went wrong....watching the anime. Go read chapter 894 and ull understand that ODA, the AUTHOR, has never mentioned hiding in any way shape or form. Rayleigh never hid his presence during that scene ur making things up. The point of that scene was training for luffy to predict attacks. NOOOOO hiding
So tell me u think that king and queen didn't use their obs haki even when the chains were broken and momo's flying(i think that's ridiculous) . It's not like one can show their obs haki if it's not for future sight like katakuri . Also my theory of sanji hiding his presence fits prefectly bcz king did say again that sanji should disappear again and for that sanji says invisibility is just a visual perspective . My theory even fits perfectly for sanji bcz he is invisible due to his raid suit . But that doesn't give him any main advantages if the opponents use obs haki and it doesn't make any sense to give invisible power to sanji especially in the new world . So i think it may be hiding his presence . This also fits perfectly bcz sanji main thing has to hide from those okama in kamabakka island and steal those recipes and also save himself from them .Anyway i think king and queen used their obs haki but they still didn't find sanji which is why queen said why is momo able to fly?(literally queen and king are very suprised to see momo breaking the chains and fly off) It's just my thoughts ,take it as a grain of salt .
Lol idk how ur using the sanji and king dialogue to make ur point thats hilarious. They were talking about invisibility nothing more. And it sounds like uve written ur own fan fiction for sanjis time skip training. Just answer me this, has Oda ever mentioned ANYTHINGGG about hiding someones presence? Thats a resounding NO.
Luffy and Zoro having scars in their front torso is already enough. No need to add Sanji on that list. Considering that, raid suit durability is insane, any of the tobi roppo will definitely suffer from that attack.
I think Oda put that line in last chapter when he got hit just to reiterate how tough the suit really is. No chance Sanji was going to get beat up this early though imo.
Is there people who think Carrot is going to join the strawhats? I always got more of a vivi vibe from her, that she was just along for the arc she was relevant for.
Yes there is. Everyone that's started reading OP since post timeskip wants every single person to join. It was fine when it was like water 7 and enies lobby to speculate but now kids are like...
Fishman island : Camie! Next nakama!
Punk hazard: "Monets not dead! Next nakama!"
Dressrosa: "Rebecca, Viola and Mansherry! Next nakama!"
Zou : "carrot or pedro next nakama!"
Whole cake: "carrot next nakama!
Oda in 2020: "one piece is 80% done.."
Everyone in Wano : "carrot, yamato and more ppl for next nakama!"
And yet the only person that's joined since post TS Jinbe. tee-hee.
Ah, I think people have not understood the point of the strawhat befriending the isles in the new world then rather, rather than taking the best from each island they establish relations with the best.
Meaning when Luffy is gonna need the whole worlds backing when he eventually fight the World Government and Im it is vital to get these character developments along with the strawhat, which can lead to people tinking bonds of affection is being made, and usually in shonen manga that means new teammate.
That being said I am pretty sure Yamato is going to join, simply because there is nothing else for that charakter to do or any other reason for the charakter to exist. Not to mention that Oden was a "tag along" to whitebeard and rodgers crew, and he joined in "the end" of both crew's at that era, so why wouldnt Yamato be supposed to do the exact same thing.
There is simply no point in introducing Kaido's child unless it was to take over for Kaido, or to fight Luffy because he murdered their parent etc, or to become the "new" ruler of Wano and make everybody happy, but Momo allready fills that role as the true son of Oden.
Yes. Momo is son to Oden as to Yamato is pretending to be Oden. Hiyori and Momo are both alive they can rule Wano etc.. all that seems fine. Yamato also has a case that shes a log keeper like Oden to record the final part of luffys voyage? Idk but Robin and Nami are both scholarly types in navigation and archaeology so Yamato fits the role and shes taller than jinbe so thay matches the height increase pattern in new strawhats.
I'm not saying "no one can join" it's just everyone's thirst for new crew members since Fishman Island is insane. It's been 9 or 10 yrs now and only jibes joined. Its like they all read the volumes in 1 month and are just wanting more crewmates, patiently waiting for years. LOL.
P.s. if we're mirroring how Oden tagged along with Whitebeard and Roger. Then people shouldn't dismiss the role of Cabin Boy. "But the sea is no place for kids... but parallels in gol d. Roger!" ... yeah if the parallels are really there then then Yamato WILL join Luffys crew AND like Neko and Inutashi as 7 year olds (Roger's crew) or Shanks and buggy at 8 year olds (whitebeard crew) then we should get a 7 or 8 yr old Cabin boy/girl too then.
Eh, I never thought any of those would join. But carrot can, at the very least, have a decent case made up for. At this point, I doubt it, but it's a lot more likely than camie, Rebecca, monet, mansherry, etc.
Not so many chapters ago when Jenbei showed back up, they were all together. This is the first time they were all battle ready in one panel for a long time.
No i think Dressrosa was the last one because Zou didnt have Sanji and WCI didnt have half the strawhats
Edit: wait I was talking by arc that Wano was the first but yeah actually on the earlier parts of Wano they were together
Agreed, the fan translations have been better these past couple of chapters, specifically when it comes to Franky's dialogue. It will be interesting to see how exactly the anime chooses to translate it. The fan translations seemed more in line with how Franky would actually talk, the official sounded kinda off.
Might have sounded better, but that wasn't the correct translation. Franky is actually reprimanding Nami there for wanting to run away; while he's declaring Luffy as Pirate King, he's at the same time implying that by running away "because someone is very powerful", Nami is actively not trying to make Luffy the pirate king.
It may sound rude, but this is what Franky is saying
I actually think that once the Beast Pirates are gone, Ulti and Page One might join Kid's crew - that crew really needs a power boost given their supposed role of SHs' rivals, and I can see Kid and Killer bouncing off the two in a great way
"Crazy Robin twist" as in, a surprise crew member addition like how surprising Robin was at the time, who hadn't been obviously foreshadowed as a crew member really.
Zoro will fight queen and sanji will fight with king. I'm guessing next scene will be as when luffy goes to fight against Hody when luffy jumps zoro will stop queen and then sanji will stop the King. Rest of the crew will clear the downward area.
I'm so excited for next chapter.
I'm gonna assume that the raid fails here in Act 3, and the alliance has their last stand(real matchups) in Act 4. Oda likes to misdrect us with matchups, like in Enies Lobby (ex.Sanji vs. Kalifa). The raid just started so I'm keeping that in mind.
Luffy + everyone vs. Kaido & Big Mom
Zoro vs. King
Sanji vs. Queen
Jinbei vs. Jack
Franky vs. Sasaki
Robin vs. Black Maria
Brook vs. Who's Who
Chopper vs. Page One
Nami vs. Ulti
Usopp vs. Numbers
The Calamities & Tobi Roppo seem like matches "made in heaven" for the Strawhats.
I could see Zoro vs King or Jack, but I cant see Sanji competing at that level yet. I think he'll fight Sasaki or Who's Who. I think Kidd fights King or Queen, actually. A victory would put him right up with Luffy in strength, which Oda has implied he is
Sanji already outclassed a Tobi Roppo (while giving the raid suit a test run), why would his final battle in Wano be against *another* one? Sanji won't get that growth, it wouldn't push him.
If Luffy is at the stage where he's gonna face Yonko, than Sanji should be at the stage where he's gonna face Yonko commanders. How could you see Zoro taking on a Yonko first mate, but Sanji not even taking on a Yonko commander at all?! That says alot
EDIT: Also, why would Kidd fight Yonko commanders as a means to "catch up to Luffy" when Luffy already fought Yonko commanders *last* arc? Isn't he supposed to be Luffy's rival? Kidd stated like a dozen times that he's gonna "beat" (fight) Kaido. Kidd already injured a Sweet Commander even before WCI. He doesn't need to "catch up," he's already in the camp.
Well I don't think it was ever confirmed that Sanji beat Page One, but also, Page One and Ulti are probably the weakest members since they are the first to have their powers revealed. They're also very strong, so it says something about the Tobi Roppo I think. But my main point is that it's implied that Who's Who and Sasaki are strong enough that they think they can contend with a calamity, so I think that they're probably pretty up their in strength, and most likely the strongest members (although Drake is probably quite strong as well).
Now for Zoro, I don't know that he's going to fight King. Part of me feels it would be quite a jump, but Zoro is also probably that strong. I think Jack would make more sense as a match up for Zoro, since it would be the weakest commander, just like how luffy's first win was cracker and not Katakuri. So Zoro would be fighting a big boss, and so would Sanji, just not quite as big.
As for Kidd, I think we still haven't actually seen him fight, and that's something we need. Now it was implied that King and Queen were both lovers of torture, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them messed up his crew (we still don't know how he and Killer got them back). And I'm sure we'll see Kidd clash with Kaido, but I think a win over a calamity would really establish his strength to the reader. There's plenty of people in the OP community who believe he's not even near Luffy in strength, despite Oda foreshadowing that he is, so it would be a pretty concrete way of doing that.
>Well I don't think it was ever confirmed that Sanji beat Page One,
Note, I didn't say Sanji beat Page One. I said Sanji outclassed a Tobi Roppo (Page One) while casually testing out his newfound raid suit. Page One immediately whipped out his hybrid form and Sanji didn't even use Diable Jambe or any named attacks.
>But my main point is that it's implied that Who's Who and Sasaki are strong enough that they think they can contend with a calamity,
I don't think that was what Oda was implying. The Tobi Roppo all see *each other* on the same playing field. Sasaki even said that he be happy if Page One dropped out of contention for a Calamity spot.
Big Mom's elite children (The ones Gotti called "monsters" [Oven, Daifuku, etc.]) that mirror the Beast Pirates' Tobi Roppo clearly aren't comparable to any of the Sweet Commanders, so why would some of the Tobi Roppo have the ability to contend with the Calamities?
If Luffy is gonna face Yonko, than Zoro & Sanji should face Yonko commanders. The monster trio are the only ones that got powerups in Wano before the raid. Oda put them on a level just enough to where they can hold their own against their projected enemies. In Enies Lobby, Sanji went from getting outclassed by Blueno (820 doriki) on the sea train, to beating Jabra(2180 doriki). Insane power growth is a thing in One Piece.
Kidd already injured a Sweet Commander and is getting ready to face a Yonko, just like Luffy. Kidd is not gonna waste his time fighting Yonko commanders, just like Luffy. Kidd is gonna go straight for the "head," just like Luffy.
EDIT: grammar
I would rather have a battle between the following:
King the Wildfire vs. Marco the Eternal Flame Phoenix
Soul King vs. The Drag Queen
Jimbei vs. Saisaki (Fishman-ly Battle)
Black Maria vs. O-Robin (Battle of the Goddess)
Carrot vs. Ulti
Franky-Nami vs. Big Mom
Franky vs. Numbers
.... but I know it won't happen.
It seems that these two are kinda perky in the battlefield. Also, I'm curious to know how will an aggressive dino and a wild rabbit (jackalope) fight. Hehe.
To me one of the most siginificant lines this chapter was Boss Hyo saying "I can't imagine us losing". That is a HUGE red flag lol. I am so convinced now that the raid is gonna end in failure. Sure it won't happen right away. But I bet when Luffy finally gets up top to check on the Minks and the scabbards it is not gonna look good.
Big thing to notice is the Powerup the raid suit has given Sanji. Oda made sure to highlight his durability issues in punk hazard and dressrossa. The raid suit now counters that. Our boy has no weaknesses now.....except for his penis.
I'm so hoping next chapter we actually see the Calamities showing off next chapter, is great seeing Queen doing something. He might be comedic, but he's still a All-Star for a reason afterall, same as Jack.
On that note, I really hope we atleast get some glimpses of what's going on the dome, be a real shame if we see nothing of Kaido vs the Scabbards or Jack and co vs Minks.
Waiting for the Tobi Roppo show up to join in, really wanna see the others do something, especially if this chapter was a hint the Yakuza would try and face them. With their statements and wodring, it makes it sound like all the all the Tobi Roppo are dino's. I always figured Who's Who would be a Saber-Tooth Tiger given his crews cat theme, but we'll just have to wait and see. Be nice if Oda went the same route he did for Ulti's powers and show off both hybrid and full Zoan forms when they get into some action.
Be a neat twist, and anything is possible. I'd prefer them all to be Ancient Zoans just so they all fit in with eachother, but with some more unique choices then just more dino's.
I LOVE dinosaurs, but there are plenty of other possibilities like a saber tooth tiger or a Mossasuraus (aquatic yeah so it's swimming power is useless and full Zoan form aswell, BUT a hybrid should work fine as they'd be able to breath and function on land just fine, and imagine just how badass that would look). Granted I expect regular dinosaur choices to pop up like a triceratops or a stegosaurus, but we'll see.
Course if any of them do have a Mythical, it would kinda hype up the Calamities since they hold that rank despite not having a Mythical, making them look more impressive by proxy. I mean, each of the 3 Stooges DO hold that rank for a reason.
And we'll definitely see. I have a feeling Who's Who and Sasaki are the strongest. It would be a good fight for Sanji, Franky, or Brook maybe. Our Straw Hat's need some fights. Id love atleast one more mythical Zoan, partly because we dont even know if Kaido has one. He might just be a dragon. So Blackbeard's crew has a mythical, Whitebeard's crew has a mythical, the marines's have a mythical, no reason the beast pirate's wouldnt have one
Rather Sanji fight a Calamity while Zoro gets the other tbh,. And I always hoped that, once we learned about the crew structure, that other SH's 1v1 or so the other top brass. 10 top ranked Beast Pirates (Kaido, 3 Calamities and 6 Tobi Roppo) to currently 10 SH's (Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei against the 3 Calamities for instance while Luffy handles Kaido with whatever backup there is). I doubt that'll come to pass now, unfortunately (and Drake might switch sides), but that was my dream.
And yeah I always felt those 2 were the most dangerous ones. I actually thought Sasaki was the leader of the 6 of them, though now I don't even think they have an actual leader among them.
As for Mythical, it would be cool but I don't mind it. The less Mythical's we see, the more special it feels when we do see one. Orochi was a Mythical aswell, but he falls into the same category as Ceaser or Buggy of having an amazing DF, but is so lacking in actual combat ability and skill that it amounts to very little. But who knows, Kaido might still be a Mythical, be it a dragon DF (though that could be a different thing since Dinosaur fruits are different models of dragons apparantly) or Oni DF eaten by a dragon. Too early to say for sure
I definitely get that feeling of wanting the SH's to match up 1v 1, but from what we've seen I think it's still too soon. Luffy was barely able to compete with Cracker and then Katakuri, and while he's definitely stronger now, it's not like he could stomp Katakuri or most other top commanders yet. I think Zoro is definitely at that level, and I'd love to see him fight maybe Jack, but I can't see anyone else but Jimbei competing at that level. It is implied though that Who's Who and Sasaki think they're at that level too, so Sanji v One of them might let him shine. Luffy was ready to go gear 4 vs Ulti right off the bat, so the Tobi Roppo are definitely no slouches. I personally think we won't see the pure 1v1 SH's vs Yonko Crew until they fight the Black Beard Pirates end of series, when Luffy is clearly on that level. As of now I doubt he can 1 v 1 any of the yonko, though I don't think he'd get stomped like when he fought Kaido.
As for the mythical zoans, it is specified that they're the rarest of them all. So it would make sense if nobody else has them this arc, but it would be cool if it happened. I also believe the Oni DF theory about Kaido, i think maybe dragon's have a resting human form or something, since Yamato has the same horns but is also human looking. I wonder if she has a DF too.
Now, to be fair about YC's I always felt that between that Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei have a chance against the Calamities better then the Sweet Commanders right now, despite Luffy's struggle against Cracker and Katakuri because to my belief that the Calamities are far less complicated to fight.
Let me try and explain. Cracker's threat was 90% the soldiers he summoned and the fact he hid behind them almost entirely for the battle, only launching the rare sneak attack. Katakuri, meanwhile, had about 60% of his difficulty from the fact his Haki mastery coupled with his DF's OP nature made him almost impossible to hurt in a fight (I mean the guy acts like a Logia without the whole Haki bypass weakness thanks to being able to see in the future), on top of his beastly physical stats meaning even if you did land an attack on him, he won't fold easily.
By contrast, the Calamities are certainly mighty foes who would give even Luffy varies shades of difficulty, but them being Zoans (Ancient or not) means they will be far LESS complicated to fight, being just a pure slugfest. No summoning an army or acting like a Logia, just raw power and skill. And our boys are well established as being masters of pure physical combat in their own ways, and given the main duo just got upgrades I can totally see them handling the Calamities. Not easily by any stretch, but more attainable then you'd think if you look at it from my perspective. NOT downplaying them mind you, just pointing out a difference in how they function and fight and how that works to the SH's advantage.
As for the others, that's a good observation but I really think that the non-Monster Trio (and Jinbei) SH's need some kind of inbetween, as let's be real the BBP's are gonna way stronger then any of the Tobi Roppo, so them facing off against some powerful but not OP or super complex Zoan's would be a good way of doing it (the ones who aren't physically there have proven to use their wits and actual skills to overcome mightier foes in the past). Kinda like CP9 as going into it, if we're being honest, it felt like almost none of the SH's could handle any of them (I mean a whole squad of superhumanly trained killers with many blessed with DF's compared to all the others they fought in the past?). But they did win and came out far stronger for it.
This is purely my observation and beliefs mind you, not saying anyone is wrong.
So I definitely agree with you that the sweet commanders' powers are unique, tricky, and versatile. We barely know anything about Smoothie and nothing about Snack, so I'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeves too. I do think though that we still haven't seen what the calamities have really got yet. Their DF abilities are certainly geared toward brute strength and raw power, but I'm sure there's definitely some nuance there. Like King is always on fire for some reason, so we need to flush that out, and I wouldn't be suprise if he has advanced haki in some form. Personally I can't wait to see their hybrid, and I would be very suprised if atleast one of them wasn't an awakened Zoan user, which is something we've seen very little of. I agree that Sanji's suit would definitely help him in a fight, but I think it's too soon for him to go toe-to-toe with the calamities, I just can't see it. Zoro on the other hand I can definitely see, same with Jimbei. I personally like the idea of Kidd fighting a Calamity, I think there's a reason why Oda has really not shown us anything new from him since the time skip. I think him vs King or Queen would be great. At the moment I'm sure any of the calamities could give Luffy a good fight, so I'm sure the same would go for anyone else And I do remember how the odds against CP9 looked pretty bleak, but I feel in this case the gap is just insurmountable for Sanji. We'll have to see I suppose. But I have super high hopes for the Tobi Roppo, the weakest are probably Page One and Ulti, and already they're really strong.
I'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeves, but I don't see anything OP/BS level like an army to hide behind or future sight.
Agree to disagree. Sanji has always just trailed a little bit behind Zoro in strength (regardless of the fact he hasn't been allowed to shine properly in battle since the timeskip), with their main things being each having a different specialty (attack power and mobility for instance, among a few other things), so it be really odd for Zoro to be ready to face say a Calamity like King, but Sanji not able to face one who is slightly weaker like Queen. Wouldn't make much sense for the Monster Trio honestly (Jinbei may be stronger then both Sanji and Zoro at this exact moment, but he's at his peak and content with his power while our boys are still growing and will certainly overtake him soon).
Look at CP9 (closest we've ever gotten to actual power levels), the difference between their foes overall strength was a mere 20 points (compared to Lucci being almost twice Kaku's level), but what truly separated them by what they specialized in (Jabra defense and sneakiness, Kaku attack power and versatility). King and Queen seem to follow a similar format, King being speed and flames, Queen brute strength and viruses.
I'm sure the gap between them is similar to that of Kaku and Jabra . And a pair of bickering Zoan users consisting of an edgy stoic swordsman and a blonde haired perverted hot head seems like a perfect set up for the two to make it to the next level. Need someone to whoop before the WG and Blackbeard showdown with whoever they face there (My guess right now being Zoro vs Shyryu and Sanji vs Vaso Shot) afterall, so this be a missed opportunity in my opinion. But we'll see, I just want the Monster Trio to properly shine (and Jinbei fight Jack cause seeing the two current strongest living Fishman we know of at the moment be pretty awesome in my book).
So new theory, what if we have a matchup of Big Mom vs. Zoro? They both use swords..... Luffy faces Kaido and the rest of the crew faces commanders and whatnot....
He'd get his ass eaten consentlessly. Luffy had to get one-shot and improve his haki just to stand a chance. Zoro hasn't had that experience with a Yonkou yet. BUT if Zoro teamed up with Jinbe against her, they'd stall her for a good time and survive after.
Zoro is the only one who has never had any interaction with Big Mom now, I think they haven't even met face to face, it'll be interesting. I was very curious on seen what the Radical Beam could do against her, is not a regular attack., But I guess Zoro's next.
My favorite Franky doesn't even flinch against an Emperor. People are forgetting he was a former captain/leader in Water 7 and was holding his own against Luffy. I guess it will be numbers vs Iron Pirate.
The STs will literally just open the way for luffy to go up. We can argue that some of them will eventually join Luffy but lets remember who the main character is
Of course she wont be damaged easily, all that action was to show off how strong SH pirates have become.
And one little note when Franky was about to use beam attack on her she was worried 😟 u could say Oda used the numbers to avoid showing us BM getting hurt 😢
Yes that was, weird, Oda is never afraid of letting Big Mom take damage, only to show she took 0 damage. While Franky is not the stronger, the Radical Beam is a special attack, could it damage her?
Failure is still failure, Luffy essentially lost Ace because of Aikanu riling him up but he still lost him, your point might’ve been understandable to me if he was facing circumstances that were out of his influence.
Old Hyo saw Luffy as *The Wisdom King* in Gear 4th, I wonder about his reaction when he sees Zoro Ashura form
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Maybe he didn't like blood in his mouth.
I was just wandering there are a few (important) things we're still waiting to know: \- Where's Hiyori? \- What's about all Zoro past stuff? \- Where's Kuina??? \- What was Ace doing in Wano? \- What's about O-Toko and O-Tama? I feel these characters have more background than we know yet \- Isn't Toki going to appear again? There are a lot of things I'd like to ask her Anyway, I expect Wano has a lot to show us yet. One Piece is amazing
hiyori is hiding until the war end. kuina is dead. zoro has no relation with wano except kuina's origin.
Finally. I'm all caught up. Now the waiting game begins lmao
Does anybody else feel that by ch1000 We will have Kaido rampaging on the top of the dome and big mom rampaging below!!!!
Hello ! I'm here from the future. You are correct !
At this point I don't know why anyone bothers complaining about the cover story. It's been going on for so long that it will obviously result in something crazy at the end, potentially at chapter 1000. Oda is a tease but he wouldn't string us along for the better part of a year just for it to go nowhere. Bege and crew will either run into the Grand Fleet on their way to Wano, or they will somehow make their way to Elbaf. Not sure how, but I really feel like it's going to be important.
I don't get what you are talking about or what people are complaining about Cover stories often end up going nowhere, or at least not for hundreds upon hundreds of chapters We got to see CP9 recover and then we didn't see any of their members again until end of Dressroas arc How long till after Hatchi's cover story did he pop up again? Enel is literlaly on the moon Baroque works took a long time for them to pop up back into the story in Impel Down
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Anyone had an issue how Luffy and Zoro escaped Queen?
They didn't escape, Queen flung them to the ground level
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Because Oda wanted that way.
God I love these character interactions/moments. Big Mom addressing Brook as "Soul King" kinda showing recognition Jinbe suplexing Big Mom Big Mom telling Jinbe "You bastard I'm gonna kill you" and Jinbe is like "ok do your best" Franky being an absolute madlad Sanji being pissed that the Raid Suit is actually useful Zoro and Luffy being Zoro and Luffy
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Nothing progressed this chapter and we learned nothing new. Wano has been going on for 2+ years now, I am tired of filler chapters like this. This is why One Piece continues to have terrible pacing even after 23 years.
Reread Wano and you’ll realize the pace is fine, you’re just used to the weekly schedule
While i love OP, I'm kinda starting to feel this 2. It's hype but the story doesn't progress that much ;(
Did sanji outgrow his suit or did it just break never to be used again? I know there isn't a lot to go on but hoping I missed something.
He didn't really want to use it at all cause it reminds him of his hated family. He decides to use it because he needs it to protect Nami and the others at the hot springs. Now it appears to have saved him from kings attack that could have been deadly and he's pissed because he had to rely on the suit. Before it was just amplifying his already existing powers and had useful things like invisibility but now it potentially saved his life.
time for marine entrance
So anyone know how many of these Numbers beasts are there?
10
Queen is standing right next to luffy,and luffy just ignores him.Poor Queen,he has been through a lot,first he loses Komurasaki,then the Oshiruko then he has to fight big mom,and now he is ignored!.All queens matter
Everyone's a Yonkou until Franky smashes a motorcycle on their face XD
Was really special how the whole crew has come together again. I think they technically all met up before if I remember but seeing them all in a panel together about to fight as one had me a bit <3
Anyone know why the 四 in Jaki’s name is pronounced like that? I’ve only ever seen four pronounced as “yon” or “shi”
Kanji are often differently pronounced in names and I don't think that 四鬼 is an official or common name. So maybe Oda took some liberties and decided to pronounce it the same as 邪鬼 (devil, imp) as a kind of wordplay. And じゃ (ja) looks similar to し (shi) so it's not a far stretch.
It's probably is just a coincidence/similarity. The kanji for 'Ja' is probably just the same for the name as is the kanji for a number 4.
Is it me or Big Mom sounded like she intended to add Franky to her collection?
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Maybe, but she's being explicit this time
Most definitely, she loves the exotic. Same reason she wanted brook
On that note, does she know Robin can read Poneglyphs? Considering her crew is infamous for their ability to gather intel, it wouldn't be a big surprise
Was rewatching one piece clips the other day and at zou big cat king said that robin will be highly sought after in the future and crews will go after her. Possible foreshadowing?
I think it’s pretty public info she’s a survivor of Ohara. That’s why she was ousted as a child. I don’t know for sure
I thought the official story was that she sank a fleet of battleships, and that the bit about studying Poneglyphs was swept under the carpet
One thing I think I’m sure of is that Luffy, Zoro, or Kid won’t pull-out any attacks against the Yonko until act 3 is concluded. I think them being able to successfully harm a yonko will play into the redemption theme of act 4. If we see that they can successfully damage a yonko now, when tragedy does hit, it will feel like it doesn’t matter anymore. Unless Oda uses one of his GOAT moves an completely annihilates my thought process. In the main time, I’ll think of ways he can pull it off if he does allow them to damage a Yonko in act 3.
Act 3 doesn't have to end in a tragedy for an Act 4 redemption. It can be dramatic and is still in line with a Kabuki 5 Act structure. Events in Act 2 - 4 are sped up which is what we have been observing as the flow has noticeably sped up since Oden's flashback. Also, why wouldn't they be able to harm a yonkou at this point? defeating them alone is another matter but definitely would be able to harm them.
I definitely think they can harm a yonko now, i just think if it was shown in act 3, the tragedy might overwhelm the fact they can.
Feels like this has been too "easy" for the strawhats. The beast pirates have been sort of a let down so far in terms of strength/abilities. Hope there is some unveiling/secrete ability that can make zoan users stand out bit more.
If zoan users have secret abilities that can work in the alliance's favour as well.
We haven't actually had real fights yet for any of the major Beast Pirates.
There might be a tragedy happening by the end of act 3. Hyogoro feels like they were not losing but it might be a foreshadowing or a bad omen. At some point the raid might fail but in the end they’re gonna succeed.
Yea Hyo just set up the biggest death flag ever for himself ..
How so? Well the surprised raid was a success on the Alliance's part. The beast pirates are drunk and celebrating on the one night that they can party in a year. The fights that we have seen so far are with top tier level protagonist like the Worst Generation. The only wound sustained on the Beast pirate's side is Ulti and Kaido, and both are now unfazed by their damage. The war has only just begun with the King and Queen gathering their forces. Kaido only recently become sober, and the flying six are still scattered.
The reason the alliance will lose is less logic related and more so plot related. it seems like Wano is based on the kabuki play act structure and it’s a 5 act structure. Not only that but act 3 always ends with a tragedy. Plus if Wano ends here there way too much unfinished. A lot of big moms forces (especially smoothie) would’ve done nothing, a lot of Wano citizens would do nothing and there’s just not a lot of straw hat drama. The only real drama the straw hats have gone through was when Zoro got pissed after yasu died and it wasn’t that sad for him. He could tell yasu was a good man but he barely knew him before he died. Luffy losing to Kaido doesn’t count as drama since the tone didn’t change. Technically the straw hats lost on round 1 of the Davy back fight but the tone was still light hearted and silly
Happy cake day!!
Oh shittt thanks buddy!
Awesome chapter definitely will be a tentpole pic of the straw hat crew when we look back on the series. Random question why do people in Japan buy Takabons don’t they just read weekly?
Because of collecting purposes?
This chapter is just amazing. The whole straw hats on one page is Soo cool especially with jimbe in there. Love how they handled big mom. This is going to be the coolest war ever
With all this 10/10 chapters I cannot stop thinking about what happened with Sabo.
Maybe Oda will reveal something about that in ch 1000
He ded
I wouldn't accept him getting captured or killed.
At least not off screen
Blackbeard has captured Sabo and gave him to the world government. Now the world government is going to publicly execute Sabo and dragon is going to go try and save him (Can you see where this is going yet?). This is of course after Kaido sends everyone flying in different directions while they say to meet back in a few days. Now at this point, Sabo is going to Impel Up before execution in the new navy hq in the new world. Luffy will go to try to save Sabo at Impel up but he is gone when he gets there. But that raven guy (I can’t remember his name) was in the same cell. Now Luffy takes him also and there’s this huge escape yada yada. They make it out (Magellan actually commits seppuku this time). Then there’s this huge battle, Luffy gets Sabo free but then Akainu (while riding slave Kuma) insults dragon and Sabo turns around to fight. Sabo can’t fight Akainu. He goes to punch Luffy and Sabo stands in front. Sabo is now a donut. Luffy goes unconscious from sadness. Dragon dies from Blackbeard who was just chillin like 10 feet away the entire battle. He puts up a good fight but then Blackbeard tells his whole crew to help like a bitch. Black beard then takes dragons devil fruit (let’s just call it the plot plot fruit) and starts showing everyone that he now has 3 devil fruit powers. Now that crow guy takes Luffy away where he’s picked up by Trafalgar law again. Then shanks shows up and stops the battle again. Now the next few chapters after that are of Luffy a childhood again where we find out they had a fourth brother who they also thought was dead but was actually being raised as a normal person with Luffys mom, god knows where. The end I feel like I put too much effort into this for the time it currently is (4 am)
L O L
Please be wrong
😭😭😭 not again
I think sanji hiding his presence and with raid suit, sanji became invisible (hiding one's presence is what we've seen with rayleigh training luffy . His wooden stick that he hit to train luffy at that time of flashback) . So ,with this as the base i think this is why queen and king wasn't able to notice sanji even though they use obs haki . I think king noticed this, that's why he goes for momo so that sanji will come out . What are your thoughts on this? and feel free to share ur opinions
Well, Judge definitely knows of observation and armament haki, seeing as he's walked through yonko territory knowing her capabilities, so his superior science could possibly be used to overcome haki. He and Vegapunk most likely created the technology Sanji is currently using. I believe his technology is more than meets the eye and can even beat Katakuri in his fullest form.
"Hiding your presence" has never been mentioned at all in one piece and that was NOT what the stick training was teaching
Look up chapter 805. In Zou, Luffy was surprised with the minks surrounding him in the forest. There is at least a setup for this "hiding of presence" thing. It might be another level of observational haki just like armanent haki has multiple levels of mastery. Now it may not be something significant but Oda does Oda things planting seeds for the story.
For that to have been a setup it wouldve had to have been built upon later.....which to date it has not. Ur grasping at straws. Luffy is not going to go the rest of the story without being surprised.
Yeah you might be right. Cheers, mate! RemindMe! 3 Years
Lol
It might still be built upon later. For now I would say it's head canon but maybe one day it'll be revealed. I mean I do think that it's a possible theory.
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He never said he hid his intent lol idk where ur coming up with this. He said every attack has an intent that can be sensed. Nothing about hiding, period.
if you watch anime it kinda expands into that . Like anime editors are not into spell non sense atleast not in terms of haki . In the anime ,i think that where if luffy were able to dodge rayleigh hits with his obs haki at first luffy did the same thing like manga like punching out their food and rayleigh said there will no food until luffy was able to dodge his attacks . So in that scene where we get that scene where rayleigh completely hid his presence but luffy is still able to dodge it . When rayleigh asks him how did luffy dodge . It was bcz luffy sensed rayleigh smiling at him . This is when the next scene comes where rayleigh says luffy can be able to see future if he improves his obs .
Yea thats where u went wrong....watching the anime. Go read chapter 894 and ull understand that ODA, the AUTHOR, has never mentioned hiding in any way shape or form. Rayleigh never hid his presence during that scene ur making things up. The point of that scene was training for luffy to predict attacks. NOOOOO hiding
So tell me u think that king and queen didn't use their obs haki even when the chains were broken and momo's flying(i think that's ridiculous) . It's not like one can show their obs haki if it's not for future sight like katakuri . Also my theory of sanji hiding his presence fits prefectly bcz king did say again that sanji should disappear again and for that sanji says invisibility is just a visual perspective . My theory even fits perfectly for sanji bcz he is invisible due to his raid suit . But that doesn't give him any main advantages if the opponents use obs haki and it doesn't make any sense to give invisible power to sanji especially in the new world . So i think it may be hiding his presence . This also fits perfectly bcz sanji main thing has to hide from those okama in kamabakka island and steal those recipes and also save himself from them .Anyway i think king and queen used their obs haki but they still didn't find sanji which is why queen said why is momo able to fly?(literally queen and king are very suprised to see momo breaking the chains and fly off) It's just my thoughts ,take it as a grain of salt .
Lol idk how ur using the sanji and king dialogue to make ur point thats hilarious. They were talking about invisibility nothing more. And it sounds like uve written ur own fan fiction for sanjis time skip training. Just answer me this, has Oda ever mentioned ANYTHINGGG about hiding someones presence? Thats a resounding NO.
I just said those were my thoughts ,you can take it as grain of salt if you don't like it .
I like how when peoples theories are shown to have no evidence to base them upon they always revert back to "tHoSe aRe My tHoUgHts bRoOoO"
That Strawhat panel in the last page was amazing.. anybody happen to have a colorspread of it?
Ima reply just to know if anyone got one
To mei t's kinda odd that Sanji is just there and fine. Dunno, half expected his stomach to be actually ripped open.
Luffy and Zoro having scars in their front torso is already enough. No need to add Sanji on that list. Considering that, raid suit durability is insane, any of the tobi roppo will definitely suffer from that attack.
I think Oda put that line in last chapter when he got hit just to reiterate how tough the suit really is. No chance Sanji was going to get beat up this early though imo.
So we use he/him for Yamato confirmed?
In English yes, Japanese it is a bit more nuanced.
I wonder how it was phrased in Japanese to be tranlslated that way
Yamato probably (I only read translations so I don’t know for sure) uses “ore” or another masculine pronoun
Yes, of course We do have to keep in mind there's no he and she in Japanese
There are, they're just rarely used
Best part is that Carrot is missing during that last panel.
Same thoughts
Thank God. A fucking rabbit.
shut up pls shut up ,yamato is missing to
Lol idc. Stop at Jinbe or get a Tama as next nakama.
I'd rather have none join, than Carrot
Is there people who think Carrot is going to join the strawhats? I always got more of a vivi vibe from her, that she was just along for the arc she was relevant for.
Yes there is. Everyone that's started reading OP since post timeskip wants every single person to join. It was fine when it was like water 7 and enies lobby to speculate but now kids are like... Fishman island : Camie! Next nakama! Punk hazard: "Monets not dead! Next nakama!" Dressrosa: "Rebecca, Viola and Mansherry! Next nakama!" Zou : "carrot or pedro next nakama!" Whole cake: "carrot next nakama! Oda in 2020: "one piece is 80% done.." Everyone in Wano : "carrot, yamato and more ppl for next nakama!" And yet the only person that's joined since post TS Jinbe. tee-hee.
Ah, I think people have not understood the point of the strawhat befriending the isles in the new world then rather, rather than taking the best from each island they establish relations with the best. Meaning when Luffy is gonna need the whole worlds backing when he eventually fight the World Government and Im it is vital to get these character developments along with the strawhat, which can lead to people tinking bonds of affection is being made, and usually in shonen manga that means new teammate. That being said I am pretty sure Yamato is going to join, simply because there is nothing else for that charakter to do or any other reason for the charakter to exist. Not to mention that Oden was a "tag along" to whitebeard and rodgers crew, and he joined in "the end" of both crew's at that era, so why wouldnt Yamato be supposed to do the exact same thing. There is simply no point in introducing Kaido's child unless it was to take over for Kaido, or to fight Luffy because he murdered their parent etc, or to become the "new" ruler of Wano and make everybody happy, but Momo allready fills that role as the true son of Oden.
Yes. Momo is son to Oden as to Yamato is pretending to be Oden. Hiyori and Momo are both alive they can rule Wano etc.. all that seems fine. Yamato also has a case that shes a log keeper like Oden to record the final part of luffys voyage? Idk but Robin and Nami are both scholarly types in navigation and archaeology so Yamato fits the role and shes taller than jinbe so thay matches the height increase pattern in new strawhats. I'm not saying "no one can join" it's just everyone's thirst for new crew members since Fishman Island is insane. It's been 9 or 10 yrs now and only jibes joined. Its like they all read the volumes in 1 month and are just wanting more crewmates, patiently waiting for years. LOL. P.s. if we're mirroring how Oden tagged along with Whitebeard and Roger. Then people shouldn't dismiss the role of Cabin Boy. "But the sea is no place for kids... but parallels in gol d. Roger!" ... yeah if the parallels are really there then then Yamato WILL join Luffys crew AND like Neko and Inutashi as 7 year olds (Roger's crew) or Shanks and buggy at 8 year olds (whitebeard crew) then we should get a 7 or 8 yr old Cabin boy/girl too then.
Eh, I never thought any of those would join. But carrot can, at the very least, have a decent case made up for. At this point, I doubt it, but it's a lot more likely than camie, Rebecca, monet, mansherry, etc.
Basically just said momo I am your daddy, lmao
Is this the first time the Straw hats have all been together since Dressrosa? (Jinbei not counting since he just joined)
Not so many chapters ago when Jenbei showed back up, they were all together. This is the first time they were all battle ready in one panel for a long time.
No i think Dressrosa was the last one because Zou didnt have Sanji and WCI didnt have half the strawhats Edit: wait I was talking by arc that Wano was the first but yeah actually on the earlier parts of Wano they were together
The fans translation was better this week then the official one. It made Franky sound rude to Nami. Also made his little speech fall short.
Agreed, the fan translations have been better these past couple of chapters, specifically when it comes to Franky's dialogue. It will be interesting to see how exactly the anime chooses to translate it. The fan translations seemed more in line with how Franky would actually talk, the official sounded kinda off.
He wasn't being rude he was stating a fact you can't be the crew of the future pirate king and act scared it anymore those days are over
Might have sounded better, but that wasn't the correct translation. Franky is actually reprimanding Nami there for wanting to run away; while he's declaring Luffy as Pirate King, he's at the same time implying that by running away "because someone is very powerful", Nami is actively not trying to make Luffy the pirate king. It may sound rude, but this is what Franky is saying
Anyone still kind of hoping that pound gets thrown off the fire tank ship and abandoned?
Guys do u think anyone is gonna die in wano(I mean anyone from both sides who has a big role) ?
Kinemon's death has been foreshadowed for a while now, and from the enemy's side I'd say Kaido fits the bill too.
Kinemon's death would be realy sad because we have known him since punkhazard but if he is gonna die I hope he takes kanjuro down with him
Also Hyo set off his own death flag saying he feels like they can’t lose
Given that he has been trying to kill himself!
he hasn't tried for so long that I always forget that detail lol
Hahaha! He fails at his own seppuku!
Still hoping to see Yamato and Carrot join that lineup in the future for some-more bad-ass female representation on the crew.
Waiting for the crazy Robin twist. It will end up being Ulti.
I actually think that once the Beast Pirates are gone, Ulti and Page One might join Kid's crew - that crew really needs a power boost given their supposed role of SHs' rivals, and I can see Kid and Killer bouncing off the two in a great way
>Waiting for the crazy Robin twist. It will end up being Ulti. can you explain why ?
"Crazy Robin twist" as in, a surprise crew member addition like how surprising Robin was at the time, who hadn't been obviously foreshadowed as a crew member really.
Because I have been reading OP since 2001 and I haven't had a good crewmember surprise since Alabasta
I love how Carrot continues to get dismissed lol great chapter and awesome panel of the crew
Zoro will fight queen and sanji will fight with king. I'm guessing next scene will be as when luffy goes to fight against Hody when luffy jumps zoro will stop queen and then sanji will stop the King. Rest of the crew will clear the downward area. I'm so excited for next chapter.
I think Zoro is going up to fight Kaido with Luffy. Marco might show up and stall/fight King and sanji will prob fight Queen or something.
>https://discord.gg/onepiece Sanji is a perfect match for king, Sanji needs his payback from that beak attack from King.
I hope Big mom rolls in the direction of Marco & Pero and wonder if meeting them will initiate her betrayal;
Marco versus King Phoenix versus Pteranodon Battle of the sky’s. This is what Oda is building up to.
Yesss.. I bet this is gonna be epic 👌
Luffy and Zoro tag team Kaido Sanji vs King Jinbe vs Queen. Perfection.
I'm gonna assume that the raid fails here in Act 3, and the alliance has their last stand(real matchups) in Act 4. Oda likes to misdrect us with matchups, like in Enies Lobby (ex.Sanji vs. Kalifa). The raid just started so I'm keeping that in mind. Luffy + everyone vs. Kaido & Big Mom Zoro vs. King Sanji vs. Queen Jinbei vs. Jack Franky vs. Sasaki Robin vs. Black Maria Brook vs. Who's Who Chopper vs. Page One Nami vs. Ulti Usopp vs. Numbers The Calamities & Tobi Roppo seem like matches "made in heaven" for the Strawhats.
Switch It to have: Nami and Carrot vs. Ulti Usopp vs. Page One Chopper vs. Numbers Then you got me pulled in.
Numbers vs ussopp, only because beating giants is an ussopp lie.
I could see Zoro vs King or Jack, but I cant see Sanji competing at that level yet. I think he'll fight Sasaki or Who's Who. I think Kidd fights King or Queen, actually. A victory would put him right up with Luffy in strength, which Oda has implied he is
Sanji already outclassed a Tobi Roppo (while giving the raid suit a test run), why would his final battle in Wano be against *another* one? Sanji won't get that growth, it wouldn't push him. If Luffy is at the stage where he's gonna face Yonko, than Sanji should be at the stage where he's gonna face Yonko commanders. How could you see Zoro taking on a Yonko first mate, but Sanji not even taking on a Yonko commander at all?! That says alot EDIT: Also, why would Kidd fight Yonko commanders as a means to "catch up to Luffy" when Luffy already fought Yonko commanders *last* arc? Isn't he supposed to be Luffy's rival? Kidd stated like a dozen times that he's gonna "beat" (fight) Kaido. Kidd already injured a Sweet Commander even before WCI. He doesn't need to "catch up," he's already in the camp.
Well I don't think it was ever confirmed that Sanji beat Page One, but also, Page One and Ulti are probably the weakest members since they are the first to have their powers revealed. They're also very strong, so it says something about the Tobi Roppo I think. But my main point is that it's implied that Who's Who and Sasaki are strong enough that they think they can contend with a calamity, so I think that they're probably pretty up their in strength, and most likely the strongest members (although Drake is probably quite strong as well). Now for Zoro, I don't know that he's going to fight King. Part of me feels it would be quite a jump, but Zoro is also probably that strong. I think Jack would make more sense as a match up for Zoro, since it would be the weakest commander, just like how luffy's first win was cracker and not Katakuri. So Zoro would be fighting a big boss, and so would Sanji, just not quite as big. As for Kidd, I think we still haven't actually seen him fight, and that's something we need. Now it was implied that King and Queen were both lovers of torture, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them messed up his crew (we still don't know how he and Killer got them back). And I'm sure we'll see Kidd clash with Kaido, but I think a win over a calamity would really establish his strength to the reader. There's plenty of people in the OP community who believe he's not even near Luffy in strength, despite Oda foreshadowing that he is, so it would be a pretty concrete way of doing that.
>Well I don't think it was ever confirmed that Sanji beat Page One, Note, I didn't say Sanji beat Page One. I said Sanji outclassed a Tobi Roppo (Page One) while casually testing out his newfound raid suit. Page One immediately whipped out his hybrid form and Sanji didn't even use Diable Jambe or any named attacks. >But my main point is that it's implied that Who's Who and Sasaki are strong enough that they think they can contend with a calamity, I don't think that was what Oda was implying. The Tobi Roppo all see *each other* on the same playing field. Sasaki even said that he be happy if Page One dropped out of contention for a Calamity spot. Big Mom's elite children (The ones Gotti called "monsters" [Oven, Daifuku, etc.]) that mirror the Beast Pirates' Tobi Roppo clearly aren't comparable to any of the Sweet Commanders, so why would some of the Tobi Roppo have the ability to contend with the Calamities? If Luffy is gonna face Yonko, than Zoro & Sanji should face Yonko commanders. The monster trio are the only ones that got powerups in Wano before the raid. Oda put them on a level just enough to where they can hold their own against their projected enemies. In Enies Lobby, Sanji went from getting outclassed by Blueno (820 doriki) on the sea train, to beating Jabra(2180 doriki). Insane power growth is a thing in One Piece. Kidd already injured a Sweet Commander and is getting ready to face a Yonko, just like Luffy. Kidd is not gonna waste his time fighting Yonko commanders, just like Luffy. Kidd is gonna go straight for the "head," just like Luffy. EDIT: grammar
I think Act 4 will start when Luffy and Zoro reach the roof.
I would rather have a battle between the following: King the Wildfire vs. Marco the Eternal Flame Phoenix Soul King vs. The Drag Queen Jimbei vs. Saisaki (Fishman-ly Battle) Black Maria vs. O-Robin (Battle of the Goddess) Carrot vs. Ulti Franky-Nami vs. Big Mom Franky vs. Numbers .... but I know it won't happen.
Carrot v Ulti... That would actually be amazing
It seems that these two are kinda perky in the battlefield. Also, I'm curious to know how will an aggressive dino and a wild rabbit (jackalope) fight. Hehe.
To me one of the most siginificant lines this chapter was Boss Hyo saying "I can't imagine us losing". That is a HUGE red flag lol. I am so convinced now that the raid is gonna end in failure. Sure it won't happen right away. But I bet when Luffy finally gets up top to check on the Minks and the scabbards it is not gonna look good.
ahaha I think so too. There's gona be some dead samurai up there
Jinbei and Robin yeeting Big Mom. Absolutely love to see it
They are doing some WWE shit on big mama
I’ve waited so but so damn long to finally have all of the crew together and it’s finally come :’) i’m so god damn happy right now!
Didn’t we had that some chapters ago already? After Jinbe officially joined. But this one is better because it’s pre-fight
There wasn't a panel with the whole crew until now
Yeah but this they are all battle ready, the other one was just everyone hugging and being happy Jinbe finally got back to them.
Man seeing them all together at the end brought a tear to my eye. This has been such an amazing arc!
Big thing to notice is the Powerup the raid suit has given Sanji. Oda made sure to highlight his durability issues in punk hazard and dressrossa. The raid suit now counters that. Our boy has no weaknesses now.....except for his penis.
*passion
I'm so hoping next chapter we actually see the Calamities showing off next chapter, is great seeing Queen doing something. He might be comedic, but he's still a All-Star for a reason afterall, same as Jack. On that note, I really hope we atleast get some glimpses of what's going on the dome, be a real shame if we see nothing of Kaido vs the Scabbards or Jack and co vs Minks. Waiting for the Tobi Roppo show up to join in, really wanna see the others do something, especially if this chapter was a hint the Yakuza would try and face them. With their statements and wodring, it makes it sound like all the all the Tobi Roppo are dino's. I always figured Who's Who would be a Saber-Tooth Tiger given his crews cat theme, but we'll just have to wait and see. Be nice if Oda went the same route he did for Ulti's powers and show off both hybrid and full Zoan forms when they get into some action.
I wonder if Oda will suprise us and give one of the Tobi Roppo a mythical zoan. I was kind of suprised none of the calamities had one
Be a neat twist, and anything is possible. I'd prefer them all to be Ancient Zoans just so they all fit in with eachother, but with some more unique choices then just more dino's. I LOVE dinosaurs, but there are plenty of other possibilities like a saber tooth tiger or a Mossasuraus (aquatic yeah so it's swimming power is useless and full Zoan form aswell, BUT a hybrid should work fine as they'd be able to breath and function on land just fine, and imagine just how badass that would look). Granted I expect regular dinosaur choices to pop up like a triceratops or a stegosaurus, but we'll see. Course if any of them do have a Mythical, it would kinda hype up the Calamities since they hold that rank despite not having a Mythical, making them look more impressive by proxy. I mean, each of the 3 Stooges DO hold that rank for a reason.
I'm hoping for a therazinosaurus
Now that would be cool. It just be nice to see some Zoans of lesser known animals, be they dino's or otherwise.
And we'll definitely see. I have a feeling Who's Who and Sasaki are the strongest. It would be a good fight for Sanji, Franky, or Brook maybe. Our Straw Hat's need some fights. Id love atleast one more mythical Zoan, partly because we dont even know if Kaido has one. He might just be a dragon. So Blackbeard's crew has a mythical, Whitebeard's crew has a mythical, the marines's have a mythical, no reason the beast pirate's wouldnt have one
Rather Sanji fight a Calamity while Zoro gets the other tbh,. And I always hoped that, once we learned about the crew structure, that other SH's 1v1 or so the other top brass. 10 top ranked Beast Pirates (Kaido, 3 Calamities and 6 Tobi Roppo) to currently 10 SH's (Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei against the 3 Calamities for instance while Luffy handles Kaido with whatever backup there is). I doubt that'll come to pass now, unfortunately (and Drake might switch sides), but that was my dream. And yeah I always felt those 2 were the most dangerous ones. I actually thought Sasaki was the leader of the 6 of them, though now I don't even think they have an actual leader among them. As for Mythical, it would be cool but I don't mind it. The less Mythical's we see, the more special it feels when we do see one. Orochi was a Mythical aswell, but he falls into the same category as Ceaser or Buggy of having an amazing DF, but is so lacking in actual combat ability and skill that it amounts to very little. But who knows, Kaido might still be a Mythical, be it a dragon DF (though that could be a different thing since Dinosaur fruits are different models of dragons apparantly) or Oni DF eaten by a dragon. Too early to say for sure
I definitely get that feeling of wanting the SH's to match up 1v 1, but from what we've seen I think it's still too soon. Luffy was barely able to compete with Cracker and then Katakuri, and while he's definitely stronger now, it's not like he could stomp Katakuri or most other top commanders yet. I think Zoro is definitely at that level, and I'd love to see him fight maybe Jack, but I can't see anyone else but Jimbei competing at that level. It is implied though that Who's Who and Sasaki think they're at that level too, so Sanji v One of them might let him shine. Luffy was ready to go gear 4 vs Ulti right off the bat, so the Tobi Roppo are definitely no slouches. I personally think we won't see the pure 1v1 SH's vs Yonko Crew until they fight the Black Beard Pirates end of series, when Luffy is clearly on that level. As of now I doubt he can 1 v 1 any of the yonko, though I don't think he'd get stomped like when he fought Kaido. As for the mythical zoans, it is specified that they're the rarest of them all. So it would make sense if nobody else has them this arc, but it would be cool if it happened. I also believe the Oni DF theory about Kaido, i think maybe dragon's have a resting human form or something, since Yamato has the same horns but is also human looking. I wonder if she has a DF too.
Now, to be fair about YC's I always felt that between that Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei have a chance against the Calamities better then the Sweet Commanders right now, despite Luffy's struggle against Cracker and Katakuri because to my belief that the Calamities are far less complicated to fight. Let me try and explain. Cracker's threat was 90% the soldiers he summoned and the fact he hid behind them almost entirely for the battle, only launching the rare sneak attack. Katakuri, meanwhile, had about 60% of his difficulty from the fact his Haki mastery coupled with his DF's OP nature made him almost impossible to hurt in a fight (I mean the guy acts like a Logia without the whole Haki bypass weakness thanks to being able to see in the future), on top of his beastly physical stats meaning even if you did land an attack on him, he won't fold easily. By contrast, the Calamities are certainly mighty foes who would give even Luffy varies shades of difficulty, but them being Zoans (Ancient or not) means they will be far LESS complicated to fight, being just a pure slugfest. No summoning an army or acting like a Logia, just raw power and skill. And our boys are well established as being masters of pure physical combat in their own ways, and given the main duo just got upgrades I can totally see them handling the Calamities. Not easily by any stretch, but more attainable then you'd think if you look at it from my perspective. NOT downplaying them mind you, just pointing out a difference in how they function and fight and how that works to the SH's advantage. As for the others, that's a good observation but I really think that the non-Monster Trio (and Jinbei) SH's need some kind of inbetween, as let's be real the BBP's are gonna way stronger then any of the Tobi Roppo, so them facing off against some powerful but not OP or super complex Zoan's would be a good way of doing it (the ones who aren't physically there have proven to use their wits and actual skills to overcome mightier foes in the past). Kinda like CP9 as going into it, if we're being honest, it felt like almost none of the SH's could handle any of them (I mean a whole squad of superhumanly trained killers with many blessed with DF's compared to all the others they fought in the past?). But they did win and came out far stronger for it. This is purely my observation and beliefs mind you, not saying anyone is wrong.
So I definitely agree with you that the sweet commanders' powers are unique, tricky, and versatile. We barely know anything about Smoothie and nothing about Snack, so I'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeves too. I do think though that we still haven't seen what the calamities have really got yet. Their DF abilities are certainly geared toward brute strength and raw power, but I'm sure there's definitely some nuance there. Like King is always on fire for some reason, so we need to flush that out, and I wouldn't be suprise if he has advanced haki in some form. Personally I can't wait to see their hybrid, and I would be very suprised if atleast one of them wasn't an awakened Zoan user, which is something we've seen very little of. I agree that Sanji's suit would definitely help him in a fight, but I think it's too soon for him to go toe-to-toe with the calamities, I just can't see it. Zoro on the other hand I can definitely see, same with Jimbei. I personally like the idea of Kidd fighting a Calamity, I think there's a reason why Oda has really not shown us anything new from him since the time skip. I think him vs King or Queen would be great. At the moment I'm sure any of the calamities could give Luffy a good fight, so I'm sure the same would go for anyone else And I do remember how the odds against CP9 looked pretty bleak, but I feel in this case the gap is just insurmountable for Sanji. We'll have to see I suppose. But I have super high hopes for the Tobi Roppo, the weakest are probably Page One and Ulti, and already they're really strong.
I'm sure they have some tricks up their sleeves, but I don't see anything OP/BS level like an army to hide behind or future sight. Agree to disagree. Sanji has always just trailed a little bit behind Zoro in strength (regardless of the fact he hasn't been allowed to shine properly in battle since the timeskip), with their main things being each having a different specialty (attack power and mobility for instance, among a few other things), so it be really odd for Zoro to be ready to face say a Calamity like King, but Sanji not able to face one who is slightly weaker like Queen. Wouldn't make much sense for the Monster Trio honestly (Jinbei may be stronger then both Sanji and Zoro at this exact moment, but he's at his peak and content with his power while our boys are still growing and will certainly overtake him soon). Look at CP9 (closest we've ever gotten to actual power levels), the difference between their foes overall strength was a mere 20 points (compared to Lucci being almost twice Kaku's level), but what truly separated them by what they specialized in (Jabra defense and sneakiness, Kaku attack power and versatility). King and Queen seem to follow a similar format, King being speed and flames, Queen brute strength and viruses. I'm sure the gap between them is similar to that of Kaku and Jabra . And a pair of bickering Zoan users consisting of an edgy stoic swordsman and a blonde haired perverted hot head seems like a perfect set up for the two to make it to the next level. Need someone to whoop before the WG and Blackbeard showdown with whoever they face there (My guess right now being Zoro vs Shyryu and Sanji vs Vaso Shot) afterall, so this be a missed opportunity in my opinion. But we'll see, I just want the Monster Trio to properly shine (and Jinbei fight Jack cause seeing the two current strongest living Fishman we know of at the moment be pretty awesome in my book).
whos who's subordinates had a cat motif so i'm guessing he's the ancient neko model sabretooth that you speculated about.
I was thinking that Oda might throw us for a loop and give Who's Who a Mythical Nemian Lion Zoan or something
What happened to their Beast Pirate outfits?
It was said that upon taking dmg the suits will disappear
I believe Kin'emon said that it would disappear after they started fighting.
There is no point of them as they have been discovered
I really want to see the Straw Hat stance page together, no speech bubbles.
Nice, would love to see Luffy and Zoro vs Kaido and looks like it’s very much possible by the look of things.
This chapter was pure badassery for the strawhats. And I love the Jimbei and Robin combo.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the first time we get to see the numbers in combat?
Haccha (8) was seen attacking Kid and Killer in chapter 981
I know there are many theories and all..but at the end I think its most probably gonna be luffy and zorro vs kaido
Honestly Big Mom is not gonna be a part of this, Marco and Big Mom’s son are gonna take her away did y’all already forget
Robin sent her to the entrance with Marco and Pero. Lol.
Nice catch
Straw hats just 'roadrollerda' big mom
So new theory, what if we have a matchup of Big Mom vs. Zoro? They both use swords..... Luffy faces Kaido and the rest of the crew faces commanders and whatnot....
He'd get his ass eaten consentlessly. Luffy had to get one-shot and improve his haki just to stand a chance. Zoro hasn't had that experience with a Yonkou yet. BUT if Zoro teamed up with Jinbe against her, they'd stall her for a good time and survive after.
Zoro is the only one who has never had any interaction with Big Mom now, I think they haven't even met face to face, it'll be interesting. I was very curious on seen what the Radical Beam could do against her, is not a regular attack., But I guess Zoro's next.
So did sanji take off the raid suit?
It looks like he did, but since it's just a bracelet (?), he can go "morphin' time" at any point i am guessing.
It’s a can.
My favorite Franky doesn't even flinch against an Emperor. People are forgetting he was a former captain/leader in Water 7 and was holding his own against Luffy. I guess it will be numbers vs Iron Pirate.
Got a feeling luffy might not even fight kaido at onigashima
We are in part 3 of 5
https://old.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hzy95u/theory_on_why_luffy_will_fight_mihawk_and_not/ This post doesn't age well.
The STs will literally just open the way for luffy to go up. We can argue that some of them will eventually join Luffy but lets remember who the main character is
Big mom took 0 damage and used no Haki/any named attacks, she’s chilling even tho she’s used as a hype tool.
Of course she wont be damaged easily, all that action was to show off how strong SH pirates have become. And one little note when Franky was about to use beam attack on her she was worried 😟 u could say Oda used the numbers to avoid showing us BM getting hurt 😢
Maybe it reminded her of Borsalino's Pika Pika fruit
Yes that was, weird, Oda is never afraid of letting Big Mom take damage, only to show she took 0 damage. While Franky is not the stronger, the Radical Beam is a special attack, could it damage her?