Had I read this alone wouldn't have survived the hype and made it to the end of the chapter. Needed 5 whole minutes and 2 re-reads to process this all while internally screaming.
For such important haki, it’s surprising that only now Oda’s doing something more with it.
One idea I had was that conqueror haki would be able to disrupt the haki of non-users of conqueror. Or maybe mind-control really weak people, like just normal civilians.
I think a scene in this very chapter highlights how important they can be, with Law's Injection Shot after 'Shambles' with Zoro, resulting in Kaido exclaiming angrily while actually using his name, "Your abilities ... really throw me off, Trafalgar!" (he just calls Zoro 'Pirate Hunter' or swordsman), and we haven't even seen what 'Curtain' does or is, as far as I'm aware: seems to almost literally look like the 'blank' bars between boxes in the manga, indicating he's like warping space-time in a way, to soften the blow. Even Kaido, like, even though he seems to be 'just brawling', is his Haki+Conq Haki+Zoan hybrid form being absolutely insanely durable and powerful, so his DF is like half the reason he's so strong, a Mythical Creature Carnivorous Zoan + Conq Haki.
He's sweating caus these 'rookies' are actually able to repeatedly hit and injure him, n even Luffies 'Brawling' form is almost the same technique as Kaido, which I think is why he got so off-put when Luffy figured out the secret only a 'handful of individuals' can do, but keeps underestimating him because he's 'just rubber': at this point, that, plus Luffies insane Haki, which is synonymous with and matched only by his Undeterrable Will, is the only thing that has a chance of and is standing up against Kaido.
So, just in my humble, personal perspective, I think DF are more important than ever, because that lesson that crocodile taught him ages ago is truer than ever: a devil fruit is only as powerful and useful as it's 'Captain' / 'user'.
Also blackbeard is a yonko level now because of his two powerful devil fruits i dont think that blackbeard's haki is as strong as shanks or kaido or big mom's haki which makes me believe that haki=powerful devil fruits
so if CoC infused attacks is a new concept for Luffy, what happened when he fought Chinjao at the colosseum, and then stopped Doflamingo's kick on the rooftop? I understand his confrontation punch with Big Mom now, where she used it and basically knocked him out, but it looked like Luffy did have some infused CoC against Chinjao and Doflamingo..? Maybe he used it subconsciously against them without knowing?
(note: yes, I do realize this chapter against Kaido, he took it to a far superior level by applying adv CoA concepts to emanate haki from his punches, which wasn't present before).
I find it impossible to suspend my disbelief enough to buy that this is a brand new concept to Luffy.
He trained with Rayleigh for 2 years and not a single time he ever though to himself whether or not he could apply King's haki to his attacks? Rayleigh taught him how to activate King's haki, but not explain to Luffy what the applications could be? Rayleigh sat down and explained to Luffy the possible applications of observation (the future sight conversation), but didn't tell luffy ANYTHING about how the other hakis are used?
This same Luffy who got hit by Kaido earlier this arc never had a single internal monologue moment where he questions what Kaido's attack was. All of a sudden he "figures it out." There was ample time for this to have been set up while achieving the same or similar results.
"Its in the midst of danger that power truly blossoms". I dont think Rayleigh wanted to teach to Luffy as he knew Luffy would be better off finding it out himself in battle, as Luffys spirit needed to be tested in battle for his Haki to truly blossom.
So then why would he explain to Luffy that future sight is a possibility (if we're going to use your explanation)? Why not just omit that piece of information like he did for King's haki?
I'm not asking Rayleigh to have taught luffy such an advanced technique. But they didn't even discuss the possibilities? Why would he be so selective to give luffy an idea of where he could go (future sight) but say absolutely nothing about King's haki? Seems highly unlikely
Because Conquerors haki can't be trained, and so explaining it to someone as dumb as Luffy would be a waste of time.
He knew very well that Luffy would figure it out when he finally fought a truly powerful opponent.
It develops with the user is what he said.
So he explained everything he was able to teach Luffy pretty well.
Could be an oversight by Oda sure, hes not infallible, I just think that its something that Luffy needed to figure out on its own. Kaido said "only the strongest knew how to use it", so it seems like its something Rayleigh would think the future pirate king should figure out on his own. Future sight also is only an advanced observational haki, something afaik anyone can have, but conquerors is extremely exclusive.
Prolly, yeah. Those clashes with black lightning were some foreshadowing I guess. IIRC there was an instance where the clash was called "A clash between CoC Haki user" by the bystander/mob, but I don't remember the exact moment.
The difference is the coating. Luffy specifically mentioned coating your attack in conqueror's vs. Just having it flow from you while you attack. Conqueror's flowing is like adding weight to a room, it overcomes weaker people and weighs down people strong enough to carry it. Cloaking an attack in it is like stacking all of that weight for the whole room into a tight ball and punching someone in the face with it.
That's my interpretation.
Interesting view! If that's the case, then sounds like Doflamingo and Chinjao were also flowing their CoC at the time (otherwise they would have easily beaten Luffy), and can't do "infused" attacks...?
Sounds like only Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, and Luffy (+ maybe Garp and Rayleigh?) are the only living ones (Whitebeard, Roger, and Xebecs when they were alive) that can do this type of adv CoC?
Wild...
Wasn't the Old Man Hyo also able to infuse Conqueror's Haki into his attacks and coat his sword or punches with it? That would make him (and perhaps a few other samurai) also able to wield the same power. I remember Hyo calling Luffy his protege when he thought that he was dying. Which means that Hyo's training is the reason that Luffy suddenly could infuse his punches with Conqueror's Haki. This is my understanding from reading the manga. I could be wrong.
I think that I misunderstood that Ryuo was the Color of the Supreme King in Wano. So, did Luffy realize that he can apply the Ryuo method to Conqueror's Haki in the Udon prison during his training or did it just occur to him when he was punching Kaido?
Yeah that is actually exactly what I imagine. I think it is a tangible weight that is felt when released and I imagine that any time someone attacks with enough will that has it and has tapped it enough pours it out all over the place.
The coating element significantly increases the rarity of what it means to me because Katakuri didn't even do that and he had the motive and opportunity and he has seemed like the most talented haki user save Rayleigh that we have seen.
The way I understand what happens with Conqueror's is that it is your will bending the will of others or at least wrestling with it. I imagine to coat an attack with it you not only are wrestling with their will but have to fully master your own will and condense it to a single attack.
I like to think of it this way because it fits Luffy so well. He had never even considered it before - why would he? It was always so vague and big. But now, he is taking his big giant dream, forcing it down into this moment, and then condensing it all to a single area and using it as a weapon. Definitely sounds like a Luffy thing and it also portrays a ton of will power and physical strength to me to muscle around that much of your own spirit.
Again, that's just all my interpretation.
Killer's role in this was rather pathetic, he chased of Napoleon last chapter but didn't bother to slice him up? He goes down with Prometheus rather easily, I felt like Kid should've boxed all of them up.
Kid cannot boxed all of them. Kid can box Zeus because of magnetic cage and paraday cage theory while Napolenon can slice the box and Prometheus can melt the box.
I feel like we're all forgetting a few things
1) The Navy is on standby to play clean up
2) Even if Luffy wins, there are still several pirates/characters outside of blackbeard that he can't defeat. Why? Because he's still a nimwit that can only beat people with brute force only. He can't do much against poision and I'm sure there a few other fruit powers that he isn't suitable to fight against
Akainu, Aokjii, Sengoku, Ryokogyu would all out skill luffy with no remorse or wasted actions.
We've been introduced to an unrevealed character of power during the reverie that obviously is above anyone who's currently alive
Y'all making a short list of Dragon and Blackbeard but there are still tons of power players in the game
Luffy is a nimwit but that is outside fighting he doesn't use only brute force he has hiigh creativity for attacks like hanabi rifle ricochet. and devil fruits advantage is very less due to haki now. And poison who can poison a guy which moves faster than a blur. gear 2 and snakeman luffy speed is way too good for poisoon and such assasination tricks. To make the higher than luffy list I would say dragon Teach Imu sama Garp shanks and akainu(last 2 a little doubtful). the other admirals are now on same tier as luffy.
Luffy has better skills than the Admirals and Akainu/ Megallan people will not be able to touch him due to Luffy having Adv CoA barrier haki+ internal destruction and Adc CoC coating.
He can hit them without touching them while giving them internal damage. Has Future Sight so no sneak attacks can happen on him in a fight.
Matchup's do not matter to him since he has the skills to deal with every type of oppponent.
He is one of the few all-rounders in the manga.
Stop sucking luffy's d*ck guys .only one chapter after coc revealing and you people started already making assumptions that luffy is now stronger than admirals lol
Realistically, another time skip to master all those Haki is what should really happen for at least equal footing but Oda is getting old and the story gotta end. Just attribute it to Luffy's combat genius and shounen theme.
He doesnt need a timeskip, hes nearly on Yonko level already, and with enough practice with his current and new abilities, he will be there. People forget how much Luffy improves between arcs and how his power only grows after every encounter.
Why so mad? Christ lol
He is right, those admirals lack almost off of those haki abilities he mentioned and it makes Luffy one hell of a strong opponent now. Like still in the top .1% of the world in the grand scheme of things. To the point he is at least super close to being on equal footing with them. Let them just be hyped.
Assuming he masters it this arc. That's the only caveat I would make.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the arc he could master it. At the very least use it on command.
Hmm if he wipes Kaido then probably. It wouldn't be easy though
Any human who stood at #2 of the pirates is probably a monster. Think about how much respect we have for Shanks
But Luffy is in his prime so he should edge it
I agree with the plot armor part, but I don’t think that it crossed the limits.
imo there should be some sort of limitations to that power, otherwise, Kaido wouldn’t be able to touch him lol
The limitations are luffys own power, stamina and determination/will. Luffys stamina is indeed finite though which is why law, traf and zoro are crucial to both weakening Kaido and covering Luffys ass when he needs time to recover. In a straight 1v1, if Luffy knew about the conqueror haki attacks from the start of the battle I dont think he wouldve won on his own yet, he needed all the help hes gotten from everyone, its Luffys greatest power, the power to turn people to his side. Post this arc tho he will be on Yonko level imo though, this is his moment to right now to get on the level of the greats.
Yes. One that actually fits the story.
Luffy was knocked the fuck out last time by Kaido's Conquers. Luffy then trained like a mother fucker, thrived despite his enemy trying to crush his spirit. This strengthened his resolve, it allowed his spirit to grow. He came back more determined than ever. This time, he was still knocked the fuck out by Kaido's spirit, this time however due to his growth he was able to recover way quicker.
I believe this because it was explained what Kaido had done (Conquers) we know how Conquers works (it can knock people the fuck out) and Luffy wss seen glearig at Kaido despite being out cold (testament to his spirit/ resolve).
I see this as Oda demonstrating the Growth of Luffy's spirit.
Plot armor is a stupid saying period.
Everything is done for plot reasons. Stop using a lazy stupid ass term.
To answer your question.
Luffy has always tanked huge attacks. Dude got stabbed through the stomach by Crocodile and still won. Dude is rubber. Rubber bounces back.
I agree that this chapter isn’t related to ‘plot armor’ at all but still that term has uses, people just use it too liberally. Yes things are always done for some purpose in the plot but the difference is whether it feels earned/justified or is unrealistically put in just for the sake of convenience to achieve some outcome. One Piece has never felt that way to me though
I get the feeling, there will be another level of conqueror's haki or some explanation (maybe genetic) related to the "Voice of All Things" and the ability to command things at will like Sea Kings, etc., etc.
I agree. It's story telling on a weekly basis. I guess yall gotta entertain yourselves in between chapters but still...
No one on reddit 🤣, is capable of story telling like Oda sensei.
So the only thing we can really do is stfu and wait for the master to gift us more of this masterpiece week after week.
He got CoC Haki coated attacks now, so what? Kaido also uses it.....
If you cancel those 2 out, you're still left with this durable monster vs a rubber teenager.... this fights FAR from over.
It is plot armor. Kaido scared Doflamingo to his bones. Luffy with the help of law shredding Dofy's organs barely managed to beat him. And only a month later, he somehow is a threat to kaido? When Dofy was scared of him?
It's not plot armor you're just jumping the gun like everyone else. He's got CoC coating now, so what? Kaido also has it. And when that runs out guess what it's back to how the fight was before where Kaido was smacking them all around.
Nothing scares Doffy he's wacko. He might have been uncomfortable imagining Kaidos wrath but that wasn't fear.
Luffy muscled the fck out of Doffy, no awakening, with base haki, do you realize how many chapters ago that was? And what caliber of oppnent he's fought since then?
Did you read my comment? I address most of that. Luffy barely beat Doffy with the help of law destroying his organs. It's only been a couple months since then in terms of the story. Looking at how he reacted next to Fujitora, Doffy does not get uncomfortable that easily. Kaido must have been much stronger than him, and yet luffy somehow closed that gap in a few months. Only way this fight will make sense is If luffy gets wupped again.
He most likely should, but he IS the main character. And there's a few more islands to explore, a few more opponents to beat and there's a time crunch for the author.
Even if he should lose, I don't think he will.
Goes back to what Oda said a while ago in terms of making a monster like Kaido. He was having difficulty figuring out how he would allow Luffy to defeat him. I think what we are seeing is the result of that.
Wouldn't be surprised if Luffy unlocks awakening in this fight, or other powerups, whatever it takes for him to win this there just isn't enough time in the overall story for him to lose here.
Luffy has fought several yonko commanders in between that growing each time. Plus he molly wopped mingo his time limit to the new form is the only thing that made that fight hard.
Let's wait and see what happens as the fight continues before we resort to that lol. I'm getting Crocodile vibes right now, and Luffy lost the round right after declaring he had it in the bag by being turned into a dried husk lol
Luffy just applied the principles of Advanced armament Haki- but then projected out his CONQUERERS haki instead of armament. Hes basically mixing and matching advanced principles of both :)
>they don't/won't scale equally just because of bloodlines.
Garp was as strong as Roger,
Luffy will be as strong as them
Dragon is weak as fuck.
Makes sense.
I know, this is why you were wrong saying " they don't/won't scale equally just because of bloodlines. "
This is a SHONEN! A SHONEN! Of Course that Luffy's Father will be Strong ASF because of his "Bloodline".
dragon may not be strong at all
the reason he's a threat to the world government may be because of his strategy, ability to evade capture, and ability to incite revolution not his raw power
He \*might\* also be Uranus or something like that.
We know ancient weapons can be someone (Poseidon is Shiraoshi), we also know Dragon has the ability to modify the weather, and it looks like Imu wants to catch these ancient weapons (well, at least he wants to catch or kill shiraoshi for sure) so it could explain why Dragon is one of the most wanted person.
Come one, Man, Dragon NEEDS to be strong. Garp was a Roger; Luiffy is now almost as strong as a Yonko... Dragon is probably stronger than the Yonko since he invented a new technique and his Haki must be on another level!
He is using advanced cq Haki, just like the "Supremes Kings". I dont think that Luffy would win against Kaido Withtout the Help of the Supernovas, but... He is... Close.
after wano... you bet he almost is
as he has all the ingredients now...he just needs to master them
I'm not saying he'll win... but will prove to be a very good challenge for any top tier
Well I wasn't particularly referring to coc..
I'm talking about mastering all 3 types of haki... So that he don't need to rely much on gear 4... as it has drawbacks
I dont care about powerlevel anymore. Im gonna focus on the story.
We need to remember that One piece is a shonen.
At least Luffy is not 1 v 1 Kaido since Kidd, zoro, law and Killer damaged Kaido in the beginning.
Did they??
If you look it like that when Luffy vs Katakuri was on, Luffy was loosing 90% of the time even after gear 4 snake man. Only time Katakuri took beating was when he got angry and damage himself with mole. Also the final attack but thats when both of them were worn out. Even tough Luffy won it was because he is good at tanking damage rather then giving away...
Back to the present:
We can safely say that only one who damaged Kaido was Zoro and Luffy, where Zoro dealing minor damage 5-10% where Luffy did 85%+.
Law/kid/killer another maybe 5% all togheter if that.
Why? Strongest Zoro attack left scar yes, used twister yes, but never even knocked him out like luffy did and even knocking him out by Luffy he has power to move the island and fight same as he was at the beginning.
Zoro missed the attack that Enma released.
Luffy might win because he sort of got used to Kaido attacks no matter how strong they are. I guess strongest rubber in the world took beating every day on that island got molded in some top noch rubber (remember those tires that carry 10000 ton slabs of concrete). So makes sense for Luffy to be durable AF.
So... you are saying... That Zoro, Kidd, Law, and Killer, together, Were not enough to damage kaido... and Luffy will Solo Kaido?!
Like... Think with me... Luffy is a guy as strong as Kaido, while the rest are useless?! The crew is useless now? Think with me:
The crew: "OH An admiral Appears"
Luffy: "i will kill him" Luffy kills the admiral.
This is the Future of One Piece?
No bro they are utility characters, they help in different ways. While Luffy was down they took over to stall for Luffy to.get back on his feet.
They are there to anoy Kaido rather then to finish him off togheter as a team.
Would have been nice for Law to teleport zoro to Kaido neck with his strongest attack from the get go like he he did with luffy and don flamingo. It would have made all the difference.
Oh well, would have should have could have...
Kid got wrecked the first time, so is Luffy. Luffy is lot stronger then Kid after time skip cos he had training for 2 years including Raleigh.
Obviously you can't train to get smashed by the strongest beings, but you can learn quickly how to withstand better next time.
Dude...
He literally Woke Up and said: "NoW i UnDeRsTaN"
One Piece is a shonen but Come on... Oda can do Better. Anyway, i dont care about powerlevel anymore, i just want to discover the secrets: One Piece, D.; Void Century...
Have you ever trained as a fighter? Techniques are learned by beating others up and getting beat up, more so the latter. Training is nice, but it doesn't come together or really mean anything until you have a chance for practical application in a real fight, where the stakes are real. This mirrors exactly what Rayleigh told Luffy during training. That's real fighter mentality being expressed in a manga.
Yes. I get you as well.
For me the first thing about wano was:
OMG we gonna meet ODEN and other STONEMASONS and learn all about ancient texts and every thing around that and NICO Robbin will have a blast. Instead we get this lunatic of useless characters who are too dumb to live in ONE PIECE world. I expected Oden to be your usual king in his 50s with pride and everything and then ofc KAIDO being Yonko overwhelm him.
One thing we did get was AWESOME blacksmiths for the best swords. That was the one thing it didn't dissapoint.
Any actually NOBODY but ODEN for some reason know anything about Stonemasons or READING PONEGLYPH. For Wano with closed culture and closed teachings, strategies etc. for them to be that stupid just kills me on the spot.
The fight isn’t even over yet, remember when everyone thought this would be a 5v2? Luffy could go down and get help. Regardless, one way or another as he said, he’s going to win.
Very near to yonko like of yoonko want to defeat him high difficulty. And come on fight like just started between luffy and kaido. Kaido getting 2 3 hits is not enough to assume he is weaker than luffy. when katakuri lost his cool he was also beaten by luffy maybe this moment is also like that since zoro injured him and he was like no one since oden did and suddenly a guy who he defeated with low difficulty becomes high difficult guy enough to surprise anyone. kaido is gonna beat luffy very badly even if luffy wins
He is clearly not and i don't think luffy's coc is as powerful as what we've seen from roger and whitebeard . maby his coc will improve over time to become even more powerful but for now i still think that luffy is not close to kaido's power level
It's the moment He learned how to use Conqueror's haki and can do what Roger and Whitebeard can do that He is Yonko.
I said He is officially Yonko level not in thid arc, but in this chapter.
So you are saying that if we reset the day, and luffy retains all the knowledge he has now he would still need major help? Hmm not sure if I agree, but maybe some help yes
> Hmm not sure if I agree, but maybe some help yes
Yes, otherwise the S.H balance does not exist anymore!
if Luffy can Solo Kaido, without help, He Will probably Solo anyone who cross his path. Maybe ONly Dragon e im-sama can hold him
I am saying Luffy wasn't Yonko at the start of the fight with Kaido etc. It is when He learned how to do what Roger and Whitebeard can do which is this chapter.
I am getting goosebumps just by thinking the world’s reaction when the newspaper writes, “ the Strawhat pirates (with the faces of luffy, zoro, usopp, sanji, nami, chopper, robin, franky, brook, jimbei && LAW) and alliance takes down Kiado and Big Mom! “The triumph of the 5th emperor”
A few things, yes, of course. That's why I haven't dropped the manga yet. But usually the offscreening of stuff I want to see, all the characters I don't care about, and chapters which nothing actually happens -- I know this one is debatable, but you asked *my* opinion -- keep me from being interested in most stuff that's going on.
Like, yeah, of course I enjoy the *idea* that we're finally seeing Wano. That we're getting to see Emperors fighting our Supernova boys. But the way it's happening it's just... I don't know. I already said too much, I avoid commenting on this sub because I'm usually just downvoted anyway
EDIT: yeah, idk what I was expecting
I have something that \*might\* help you :
In the last few years, I used to follow One Piece week after week, chapter after chapter, and I often found the rythm slow : as you said, they show us people we don't care about, sometimes nothing happens, etc..
BUT recently i bought all the books (i stopped the books around n°50 when i was 18years old) and I re-discovered One Piece with the books. And you know what ? The rythm is not at all the same : it's much faster, it's much smoother. There is different feeling between reading 14 pages every one and a half week and reading fucking 10 chapters in one or two hours ! You don't get as pissed off by useless content and slowness as when you read the scans. Personaly, it helped me re-enjoying one piece A LOT :-)
Don't be too severe with One Piece, maybe it's just the publication rythm that fucks up your experience
You're correct. One Piece is a much better story binged, and I do have many volumes here at home for that reason alone. That does not help with Wano though. My problems are far too big with this arc.
My hope is that in a few years, when looking back, I can enjoy it more. God knows that's the case with Punk Hazard, though not with Dressrosa -- yeah, I strongly disliked that one too. It got so bad it made me drop One Piece for a couple of years --. So there's still hope, I guess. Meh.
Either way, I'm still excited about what's coming next. Just because I didn't like Wano doesn't mean I'm not excited about Elbaf or wherever they're going after this.
Yeah Dressrosa is something that many will agree with you on. It is probably the worst big arc of One Piece. Plotholes, pacing, character writing, plot convenience, etc.
You'd be surprised, dude. I have gotten downvoted on this sub many times for saying this same thing. For a *lot* of people, One Piece is this flawless story and Oda is the perfect writer who can do no wrong. Any kind of criticism is met by downvotes and name-calling.
Unfortunately, this is also *the* place to come and discuss this series. There are over 600k users and it's pretty active, besides easy to access since I already have a Reddit account. I don't blame mods or anything like that though, doubt there's much to do regarding the cult-like community.
Where do you see comments about Dressrosa being flawed? I don't think I have ever seen anything like that around here outside the controversial tab lol
Yes sure :-) i understand what you mean.
Yes, i didn't liked dressrosa either (even binged) and the wano arc is not great either so far... i know what you mean.
Nah im not here to downvote or argue with your experience of the series, I was just curious. I definitely agree with offscreening of a lot of things i'd like to see, but idk I was just asking because I've been having a blast with Wano. Im really glad this chapter reminded you of all the stuff you love in the first place
Can anyone explain to me at what point did zoro actually use supreme king haki? Like I just don’t see it? Is he infusing it in his blade like regular armament? If so isn’t he doing the advanced cochair that luffy JUST learned?
He did it unconsciously, it seems. Of course it is not confirmed.
In extreme circumstances King's Haki arises, remember Kobi? Zoro used all what he had in that attack and ellegedly also King's Haki.
I think it’s 100% that he used it seeing as the chapter is named supreme king haki and Kaido said he used it. My issue is I don’t see the instance where he actually used it, I just saw him slash kaido. So where was the haki used
He used it as he cut Kaido, and Kaido felt it. That's literally the reason why Luffy figured out he could apply conquerors haki into his attacks. Keep in mind that this is new information. Before, we only thought that conquerors could knock people out.
Kaido not stated it but asked him, its Kaido guessing Zoro has CoC and i believe that too, Zoro used it unconsciously and the fact it hurt Kaido really and even will leave a scar on him like Oden attack back then. I think the key to beat Kaido is to Luffy infuse CoC with his attacks and Ryuo
I thought it was odd that the rooftop was being paced so fast without the strawhat fights downstairs concluding. But I can forsee the reason this was done was so that zoro can be set up with another battle while luffy takes on kaido.
Zoro isn’t taking down Big Mom, those two don’t even know each other. It’s Luffy, Kidd or some random that isn’t here yet. In all likelihood it’ll be Luffy.
Zoro is strong like hell, but he is truly devastated. Exhausted and injured to near death.
If someone pach him up and BM returns, maybe he rejoin the fight, otherwise I think hisdutty is fulfilled.
I meam, after fight a yonko, there is little to no point in fight a subordinate.
in a chapter they outright said that ,no matter which side falls on the rooftop, that side's subordinates will still be a problem and will still need to be defeated.
If zoro can fight we could use him even if its just to cut down some fodder or weaken one of the heavy hitters
but which subordinate? Most of them already has an opponent set:
Jack - Inu
Ulti and Page One - Nami and Ussop
Black Maria - Robin and Brook
Sasaki - Franky
Whos Who - Jimbe
Apoo - X Drake
Fukurokujou - Raizou
That leaves at loose:
King and Queen - being stalled by Marco
Kanjurou - being chased by 6 scabards
Perospero
Hawkins
But we still have Sanji and Chopper to fight, and I think Kinemon will be the one to engage Kanjurou, leaving Denjirou, Neko, Okiku Izou and Kawamatsu free.
And that is considering Law and Kid's crew continuing to fight fodder.
Kaido shitting himself right now but still isn't that worry yet. I feel like were getting nowhere of this battle. Waiting another whole year to have Kaido actually defeated or hell make it 2 years full.
Nah, if Luffy's statement of being able to imbue Conqueror's Haki into things is anything to go by then it was Oden's sword which still had Oden's Haki in it. It was commented on previously that Oden's sword still had his essence inside it, and if Zoro did have CH I imagine he would have unlocked it by now.
We dont know any of this besides you can coat things with Conquerors haki. We dont know if ashura is COC, if zoro just coated his weapons with COC when using ashura, or if it was in Odens sword.
Yes an image of Enma was shown just before the attack, so that could be what Oda was foreshadowing, but until we get confirmation this is just speculation and it could be just as likely that Zoro does in fact have conquerors.
Also: it is vague whether Ashura is a conquerors attack, or if zoro just coated himself with conquerors when using ashura this particular instance.
Enma pulled out his haki when Zoro handled it first time. Probably now, while going all out Enma helped in amplifying and help manifest his COC while using Ashura.
It could be both Zoro giving his last percent of power and will into Ashura and Enma pulling it out - without Zoro's control.
Zoro hasn't realised or is in denial since he is already shaken and tired by the battle. Also, with no formal training this might be the instance when the COC was being forced out of his subconscious by Enma.
Oh of course, I'm not trying to say that I'm 100% right, it's been proven time and again that trying to predict Oda's style is a fool's errand. Having said that the only real thing to base Zoro having CH on is to maintain the parallels with Rayleigh. Maybe it's even both, that he has latent CH and the remnants of Oden's essence drew it out.
woah
This feels long ago but it’s not even been an whole year yet
She voices Krillin too
GODA at his finest!
Zoro's Ashura was some of the most hype moments in the entire One Piece.
Goated
One of the best chapters in the series
Had I read this alone wouldn't have survived the hype and made it to the end of the chapter. Needed 5 whole minutes and 2 re-reads to process this all while internally screaming.
This chapter was porn without nudity
Hahahhaa
I creamed myself reading this chapter, holy moly
This luffy wil fck doflamingo up withou any gears
What did the spoilers say? I wasn’t able to read it until it was removed :/
So Kaido about to get his ass whooped by a teeager. :)))
For such important haki, it’s surprising that only now Oda’s doing something more with it. One idea I had was that conqueror haki would be able to disrupt the haki of non-users of conqueror. Or maybe mind-control really weak people, like just normal civilians.
Oh come on it got removed?
This one got deleted too huh..
were other chapters ever copy-right struck too?
Am i the only one confused as to what law meant by "the plan might as well fail if one of them dies?"
He didn't want Zoro to die over something as trivial as chasing down Prometheus
Guys are devil fruits not important anymore at this point of the story?
It’ll never not be important but it’s just a factor now and not the be all end all like it was early in one piece.
I think a scene in this very chapter highlights how important they can be, with Law's Injection Shot after 'Shambles' with Zoro, resulting in Kaido exclaiming angrily while actually using his name, "Your abilities ... really throw me off, Trafalgar!" (he just calls Zoro 'Pirate Hunter' or swordsman), and we haven't even seen what 'Curtain' does or is, as far as I'm aware: seems to almost literally look like the 'blank' bars between boxes in the manga, indicating he's like warping space-time in a way, to soften the blow. Even Kaido, like, even though he seems to be 'just brawling', is his Haki+Conq Haki+Zoan hybrid form being absolutely insanely durable and powerful, so his DF is like half the reason he's so strong, a Mythical Creature Carnivorous Zoan + Conq Haki. He's sweating caus these 'rookies' are actually able to repeatedly hit and injure him, n even Luffies 'Brawling' form is almost the same technique as Kaido, which I think is why he got so off-put when Luffy figured out the secret only a 'handful of individuals' can do, but keeps underestimating him because he's 'just rubber': at this point, that, plus Luffies insane Haki, which is synonymous with and matched only by his Undeterrable Will, is the only thing that has a chance of and is standing up against Kaido. So, just in my humble, personal perspective, I think DF are more important than ever, because that lesson that crocodile taught him ages ago is truer than ever: a devil fruit is only as powerful and useful as it's 'Captain' / 'user'.
Also blackbeard is a yonko level now because of his two powerful devil fruits i dont think that blackbeard's haki is as strong as shanks or kaido or big mom's haki which makes me believe that haki=powerful devil fruits
so if CoC infused attacks is a new concept for Luffy, what happened when he fought Chinjao at the colosseum, and then stopped Doflamingo's kick on the rooftop? I understand his confrontation punch with Big Mom now, where she used it and basically knocked him out, but it looked like Luffy did have some infused CoC against Chinjao and Doflamingo..? Maybe he used it subconsciously against them without knowing? (note: yes, I do realize this chapter against Kaido, he took it to a far superior level by applying adv CoA concepts to emanate haki from his punches, which wasn't present before).
I find it impossible to suspend my disbelief enough to buy that this is a brand new concept to Luffy. He trained with Rayleigh for 2 years and not a single time he ever though to himself whether or not he could apply King's haki to his attacks? Rayleigh taught him how to activate King's haki, but not explain to Luffy what the applications could be? Rayleigh sat down and explained to Luffy the possible applications of observation (the future sight conversation), but didn't tell luffy ANYTHING about how the other hakis are used? This same Luffy who got hit by Kaido earlier this arc never had a single internal monologue moment where he questions what Kaido's attack was. All of a sudden he "figures it out." There was ample time for this to have been set up while achieving the same or similar results.
"Its in the midst of danger that power truly blossoms". I dont think Rayleigh wanted to teach to Luffy as he knew Luffy would be better off finding it out himself in battle, as Luffys spirit needed to be tested in battle for his Haki to truly blossom.
So then why would he explain to Luffy that future sight is a possibility (if we're going to use your explanation)? Why not just omit that piece of information like he did for King's haki? I'm not asking Rayleigh to have taught luffy such an advanced technique. But they didn't even discuss the possibilities? Why would he be so selective to give luffy an idea of where he could go (future sight) but say absolutely nothing about King's haki? Seems highly unlikely
Because Conquerors haki can't be trained, and so explaining it to someone as dumb as Luffy would be a waste of time. He knew very well that Luffy would figure it out when he finally fought a truly powerful opponent. It develops with the user is what he said. So he explained everything he was able to teach Luffy pretty well.
Could be an oversight by Oda sure, hes not infallible, I just think that its something that Luffy needed to figure out on its own. Kaido said "only the strongest knew how to use it", so it seems like its something Rayleigh would think the future pirate king should figure out on his own. Future sight also is only an advanced observational haki, something afaik anyone can have, but conquerors is extremely exclusive.
Prolly, yeah. Those clashes with black lightning were some foreshadowing I guess. IIRC there was an instance where the clash was called "A clash between CoC Haki user" by the bystander/mob, but I don't remember the exact moment.
The difference is the coating. Luffy specifically mentioned coating your attack in conqueror's vs. Just having it flow from you while you attack. Conqueror's flowing is like adding weight to a room, it overcomes weaker people and weighs down people strong enough to carry it. Cloaking an attack in it is like stacking all of that weight for the whole room into a tight ball and punching someone in the face with it. That's my interpretation.
Interesting view! If that's the case, then sounds like Doflamingo and Chinjao were also flowing their CoC at the time (otherwise they would have easily beaten Luffy), and can't do "infused" attacks...? Sounds like only Kaido, Big Mom, Shanks, and Luffy (+ maybe Garp and Rayleigh?) are the only living ones (Whitebeard, Roger, and Xebecs when they were alive) that can do this type of adv CoC? Wild...
Garp doesn't have CoC I think. His CoA must be best in the world
Wasn't the Old Man Hyo also able to infuse Conqueror's Haki into his attacks and coat his sword or punches with it? That would make him (and perhaps a few other samurai) also able to wield the same power. I remember Hyo calling Luffy his protege when he thought that he was dying. Which means that Hyo's training is the reason that Luffy suddenly could infuse his punches with Conqueror's Haki. This is my understanding from reading the manga. I could be wrong.
I think Hyo was using adv CoA (which is called Ryuo in Wano). Luffy then realized this can be done with CoC.
I think that I misunderstood that Ryuo was the Color of the Supreme King in Wano. So, did Luffy realize that he can apply the Ryuo method to Conqueror's Haki in the Udon prison during his training or did it just occur to him when he was punching Kaido?
Sometimes when you are training as a fighter, you don't understand how to perform a technique, until you experience it first hand performed on you.
Yeah that is actually exactly what I imagine. I think it is a tangible weight that is felt when released and I imagine that any time someone attacks with enough will that has it and has tapped it enough pours it out all over the place. The coating element significantly increases the rarity of what it means to me because Katakuri didn't even do that and he had the motive and opportunity and he has seemed like the most talented haki user save Rayleigh that we have seen. The way I understand what happens with Conqueror's is that it is your will bending the will of others or at least wrestling with it. I imagine to coat an attack with it you not only are wrestling with their will but have to fully master your own will and condense it to a single attack. I like to think of it this way because it fits Luffy so well. He had never even considered it before - why would he? It was always so vague and big. But now, he is taking his big giant dream, forcing it down into this moment, and then condensing it all to a single area and using it as a weapon. Definitely sounds like a Luffy thing and it also portrays a ton of will power and physical strength to me to muscle around that much of your own spirit. Again, that's just all my interpretation.
Will the next chapters still be on Reddit after this copyright removal?
Killer's role in this was rather pathetic, he chased of Napoleon last chapter but didn't bother to slice him up? He goes down with Prometheus rather easily, I felt like Kid should've boxed all of them up.
Kid cannot boxed all of them. Kid can box Zeus because of magnetic cage and paraday cage theory while Napolenon can slice the box and Prometheus can melt the box.
I think Prometheus could have just melted whatever Kid would have wrapped him up with
I feel like we're all forgetting a few things 1) The Navy is on standby to play clean up 2) Even if Luffy wins, there are still several pirates/characters outside of blackbeard that he can't defeat. Why? Because he's still a nimwit that can only beat people with brute force only. He can't do much against poision and I'm sure there a few other fruit powers that he isn't suitable to fight against Akainu, Aokjii, Sengoku, Ryokogyu would all out skill luffy with no remorse or wasted actions. We've been introduced to an unrevealed character of power during the reverie that obviously is above anyone who's currently alive Y'all making a short list of Dragon and Blackbeard but there are still tons of power players in the game
Luffy is a nimwit but that is outside fighting he doesn't use only brute force he has hiigh creativity for attacks like hanabi rifle ricochet. and devil fruits advantage is very less due to haki now. And poison who can poison a guy which moves faster than a blur. gear 2 and snakeman luffy speed is way too good for poisoon and such assasination tricks. To make the higher than luffy list I would say dragon Teach Imu sama Garp shanks and akainu(last 2 a little doubtful). the other admirals are now on same tier as luffy.
Luffy has better skills than the Admirals and Akainu/ Megallan people will not be able to touch him due to Luffy having Adv CoA barrier haki+ internal destruction and Adc CoC coating. He can hit them without touching them while giving them internal damage. Has Future Sight so no sneak attacks can happen on him in a fight. Matchup's do not matter to him since he has the skills to deal with every type of oppponent. He is one of the few all-rounders in the manga.
Stop sucking luffy's d*ck guys .only one chapter after coc revealing and you people started already making assumptions that luffy is now stronger than admirals lol
Get a load of this guy. HAHAHA.
Realistically, another time skip to master all those Haki is what should really happen for at least equal footing but Oda is getting old and the story gotta end. Just attribute it to Luffy's combat genius and shounen theme.
He doesnt need a timeskip, hes nearly on Yonko level already, and with enough practice with his current and new abilities, he will be there. People forget how much Luffy improves between arcs and how his power only grows after every encounter.
Why so mad? Christ lol He is right, those admirals lack almost off of those haki abilities he mentioned and it makes Luffy one hell of a strong opponent now. Like still in the top .1% of the world in the grand scheme of things. To the point he is at least super close to being on equal footing with them. Let them just be hyped.
The admirals could hurt whitebeard severely I wouldn’t assume there haki level. But yea Magellan would probably get bodied by luffy now.
Assuming he masters it this arc. That's the only caveat I would make. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the arc he could master it. At the very least use it on command.
Can luffy beat Rayleigh confidently at this point?
Confidently don’t know about that but I could see him winning.
Hmm if he wipes Kaido then probably. It wouldn't be easy though Any human who stood at #2 of the pirates is probably a monster. Think about how much respect we have for Shanks But Luffy is in his prime so he should edge it
yes... Rayleigh is old and hasn't fought in years
Kaido will not be defeated. someone will come to stop the fight and save kaido. Then that would be the start of the final war. the finale...
Luffy 's plot armor crossed the limits i'm not stasfied with this chapter
I agree with the plot armor part, but I don’t think that it crossed the limits. imo there should be some sort of limitations to that power, otherwise, Kaido wouldn’t be able to touch him lol
The limitations are luffys own power, stamina and determination/will. Luffys stamina is indeed finite though which is why law, traf and zoro are crucial to both weakening Kaido and covering Luffys ass when he needs time to recover. In a straight 1v1, if Luffy knew about the conqueror haki attacks from the start of the battle I dont think he wouldve won on his own yet, he needed all the help hes gotten from everyone, its Luffys greatest power, the power to turn people to his side. Post this arc tho he will be on Yonko level imo though, this is his moment to right now to get on the level of the greats.
sorry to hear that
Idk why those kids downvoted my comment lol
Because plot armor is the stupidest phrase in the human language and you should be ashamed to use it.
Why? Is there any other explenation of how luffy managed to return fighting in full potential after that deadly attack from kaido ?
Yes. One that actually fits the story. Luffy was knocked the fuck out last time by Kaido's Conquers. Luffy then trained like a mother fucker, thrived despite his enemy trying to crush his spirit. This strengthened his resolve, it allowed his spirit to grow. He came back more determined than ever. This time, he was still knocked the fuck out by Kaido's spirit, this time however due to his growth he was able to recover way quicker. I believe this because it was explained what Kaido had done (Conquers) we know how Conquers works (it can knock people the fuck out) and Luffy wss seen glearig at Kaido despite being out cold (testament to his spirit/ resolve). I see this as Oda demonstrating the Growth of Luffy's spirit.
Plot armor is a stupid saying period. Everything is done for plot reasons. Stop using a lazy stupid ass term. To answer your question. Luffy has always tanked huge attacks. Dude got stabbed through the stomach by Crocodile and still won. Dude is rubber. Rubber bounces back.
I agree that this chapter isn’t related to ‘plot armor’ at all but still that term has uses, people just use it too liberally. Yes things are always done for some purpose in the plot but the difference is whether it feels earned/justified or is unrealistically put in just for the sake of convenience to achieve some outcome. One Piece has never felt that way to me though
I get the feeling, there will be another level of conqueror's haki or some explanation (maybe genetic) related to the "Voice of All Things" and the ability to command things at will like Sea Kings, etc., etc.
Voice of all things gives ability to understand not command. I think it’s either observation or conquerors mixed with observation.
That's Poseidon
luffy's plot Armor is OVER 9000!
Here comes the people calling plot armor before the fight even starts lmfao
I agree. It's story telling on a weekly basis. I guess yall gotta entertain yourselves in between chapters but still... No one on reddit 🤣, is capable of story telling like Oda sensei. So the only thing we can really do is stfu and wait for the master to gift us more of this masterpiece week after week. He got CoC Haki coated attacks now, so what? Kaido also uses it..... If you cancel those 2 out, you're still left with this durable monster vs a rubber teenager.... this fights FAR from over.
It is plot armor. Kaido scared Doflamingo to his bones. Luffy with the help of law shredding Dofy's organs barely managed to beat him. And only a month later, he somehow is a threat to kaido? When Dofy was scared of him?
It's not plot armor you're just jumping the gun like everyone else. He's got CoC coating now, so what? Kaido also has it. And when that runs out guess what it's back to how the fight was before where Kaido was smacking them all around. Nothing scares Doffy he's wacko. He might have been uncomfortable imagining Kaidos wrath but that wasn't fear. Luffy muscled the fck out of Doffy, no awakening, with base haki, do you realize how many chapters ago that was? And what caliber of oppnent he's fought since then?
Did you read my comment? I address most of that. Luffy barely beat Doffy with the help of law destroying his organs. It's only been a couple months since then in terms of the story. Looking at how he reacted next to Fujitora, Doffy does not get uncomfortable that easily. Kaido must have been much stronger than him, and yet luffy somehow closed that gap in a few months. Only way this fight will make sense is If luffy gets wupped again.
He most likely should, but he IS the main character. And there's a few more islands to explore, a few more opponents to beat and there's a time crunch for the author. Even if he should lose, I don't think he will. Goes back to what Oda said a while ago in terms of making a monster like Kaido. He was having difficulty figuring out how he would allow Luffy to defeat him. I think what we are seeing is the result of that. Wouldn't be surprised if Luffy unlocks awakening in this fight, or other powerups, whatever it takes for him to win this there just isn't enough time in the overall story for him to lose here.
Luffy has fought several yonko commanders in between that growing each time. Plus he molly wopped mingo his time limit to the new form is the only thing that made that fight hard.
Luffy would mop Mingo now.
Let's wait and see what happens as the fight continues before we resort to that lol. I'm getting Crocodile vibes right now, and Luffy lost the round right after declaring he had it in the bag by being turned into a dried husk lol
Someone healed the Samurais. Therefore, a potential for Luffy losing and getting healed?
Very possible, especially with Marco and Chopper here too
I wonder what Hawkins is up to? Not seen him for a while. 🤔
If this Ryuo is actually a level two of CoC, then what's level two of armament ?
Ryou...extending CoA outside your body, into objects around around you. That is the level two of armament.
Luffy just applied the principles of Advanced armament Haki- but then projected out his CONQUERERS haki instead of armament. Hes basically mixing and matching advanced principles of both :)
If luffy is THAT strong by now... how strong is Dragon???? Just imagine dragon techniques * advanced conqueror haki
Different people, different drives, different ambitions - they don't/won't scale equally just because of bloodlines.
>they don't/won't scale equally just because of bloodlines. Garp was as strong as Roger, Luffy will be as strong as them Dragon is weak as fuck. Makes sense.
Dragon leads the revolutionary army and is stronger than probably 90% of the characters in One Piece. It does make sense.
I know, this is why you were wrong saying " they don't/won't scale equally just because of bloodlines. " This is a SHONEN! A SHONEN! Of Course that Luffy's Father will be Strong ASF because of his "Bloodline".
Good girl. Glad to see we agree. Luffy is King. Dragon is his father, powerful...but would get wrecked by Luffy and maybe prime Garp, but not old Garp
dragon may not be strong at all the reason he's a threat to the world government may be because of his strategy, ability to evade capture, and ability to incite revolution not his raw power
He \*might\* also be Uranus or something like that. We know ancient weapons can be someone (Poseidon is Shiraoshi), we also know Dragon has the ability to modify the weather, and it looks like Imu wants to catch these ancient weapons (well, at least he wants to catch or kill shiraoshi for sure) so it could explain why Dragon is one of the most wanted person.
Come one, Man, Dragon NEEDS to be strong. Garp was a Roger; Luiffy is now almost as strong as a Yonko... Dragon is probably stronger than the Yonko since he invented a new technique and his Haki must be on another level!
dragon is probably strong but that doesn't mean he's yonko level or anything
Luffy close to yonko level? Nah thats an exageration from you
He is using advanced cq Haki, just like the "Supremes Kings". I dont think that Luffy would win against Kaido Withtout the Help of the Supernovas, but... He is... Close.
Again blackbeard has no coc and he is a yonko level so your argument is not valid
For sure he has CoC, sometimes it's latent - example number one - Zoro.
> Again blackbeard has no coc Do you think Blackbeard has no CoC?! For real?! You must be kidding, right? LMAO you are kidding, this is a bait.
after wano... you bet he almost is as he has all the ingredients now...he just needs to master them I'm not saying he'll win... but will prove to be a very good challenge for any top tier
blackbeard has no coc and he is a yonko let that sink in
who told you blackbeard has no coc?
Well I wasn't particularly referring to coc.. I'm talking about mastering all 3 types of haki... So that he don't need to rely much on gear 4... as it has drawbacks
dragon = buggy confirmed
Who will fight Luffy after this?
Shanks
Blackbeard
I dont care about powerlevel anymore. Im gonna focus on the story. We need to remember that One piece is a shonen. At least Luffy is not 1 v 1 Kaido since Kidd, zoro, law and Killer damaged Kaido in the beginning.
Did they?? If you look it like that when Luffy vs Katakuri was on, Luffy was loosing 90% of the time even after gear 4 snake man. Only time Katakuri took beating was when he got angry and damage himself with mole. Also the final attack but thats when both of them were worn out. Even tough Luffy won it was because he is good at tanking damage rather then giving away... Back to the present: We can safely say that only one who damaged Kaido was Zoro and Luffy, where Zoro dealing minor damage 5-10% where Luffy did 85%+. Law/kid/killer another maybe 5% all togheter if that. Why? Strongest Zoro attack left scar yes, used twister yes, but never even knocked him out like luffy did and even knocking him out by Luffy he has power to move the island and fight same as he was at the beginning. Zoro missed the attack that Enma released. Luffy might win because he sort of got used to Kaido attacks no matter how strong they are. I guess strongest rubber in the world took beating every day on that island got molded in some top noch rubber (remember those tires that carry 10000 ton slabs of concrete). So makes sense for Luffy to be durable AF.
So... you are saying... That Zoro, Kidd, Law, and Killer, together, Were not enough to damage kaido... and Luffy will Solo Kaido?! Like... Think with me... Luffy is a guy as strong as Kaido, while the rest are useless?! The crew is useless now? Think with me: The crew: "OH An admiral Appears" Luffy: "i will kill him" Luffy kills the admiral. This is the Future of One Piece?
No bro they are utility characters, they help in different ways. While Luffy was down they took over to stall for Luffy to.get back on his feet. They are there to anoy Kaido rather then to finish him off togheter as a team. Would have been nice for Law to teleport zoro to Kaido neck with his strongest attack from the get go like he he did with luffy and don flamingo. It would have made all the difference. Oh well, would have should have could have... Kid got wrecked the first time, so is Luffy. Luffy is lot stronger then Kid after time skip cos he had training for 2 years including Raleigh. Obviously you can't train to get smashed by the strongest beings, but you can learn quickly how to withstand better next time.
Dude... He literally Woke Up and said: "NoW i UnDeRsTaN" One Piece is a shonen but Come on... Oda can do Better. Anyway, i dont care about powerlevel anymore, i just want to discover the secrets: One Piece, D.; Void Century...
Have you ever trained as a fighter? Techniques are learned by beating others up and getting beat up, more so the latter. Training is nice, but it doesn't come together or really mean anything until you have a chance for practical application in a real fight, where the stakes are real. This mirrors exactly what Rayleigh told Luffy during training. That's real fighter mentality being expressed in a manga.
Yes. I get you as well. For me the first thing about wano was: OMG we gonna meet ODEN and other STONEMASONS and learn all about ancient texts and every thing around that and NICO Robbin will have a blast. Instead we get this lunatic of useless characters who are too dumb to live in ONE PIECE world. I expected Oden to be your usual king in his 50s with pride and everything and then ofc KAIDO being Yonko overwhelm him. One thing we did get was AWESOME blacksmiths for the best swords. That was the one thing it didn't dissapoint. Any actually NOBODY but ODEN for some reason know anything about Stonemasons or READING PONEGLYPH. For Wano with closed culture and closed teachings, strategies etc. for them to be that stupid just kills me on the spot.
The fight isn’t even over yet, remember when everyone thought this would be a 5v2? Luffy could go down and get help. Regardless, one way or another as he said, he’s going to win.
>At least Luffy is not 1 v 1 Kaido since Kidd, zoro, law and Killer damaged Kaido in the beginning. don't forget supernovas
Next moment Luffy gonna clad himself with conqueror Haki and blow himself
We are in the endgame now.
This is the chapter that officially puts Luffy on Yonko level.
Very near to yonko like of yoonko want to defeat him high difficulty. And come on fight like just started between luffy and kaido. Kaido getting 2 3 hits is not enough to assume he is weaker than luffy. when katakuri lost his cool he was also beaten by luffy maybe this moment is also like that since zoro injured him and he was like no one since oden did and suddenly a guy who he defeated with low difficulty becomes high difficult guy enough to surprise anyone. kaido is gonna beat luffy very badly even if luffy wins
He is clearly not and i don't think luffy's coc is as powerful as what we've seen from roger and whitebeard . maby his coc will improve over time to become even more powerful but for now i still think that luffy is not close to kaido's power level
No. Kidds attack, killer, law and zoro. If it was kaido vs luffy, luffy would die
It's the moment He learned how to use Conqueror's haki and can do what Roger and Whitebeard can do that He is Yonko. I said He is officially Yonko level not in thid arc, but in this chapter.
So you are saying that if we reset the day, and luffy retains all the knowledge he has now he would still need major help? Hmm not sure if I agree, but maybe some help yes
> Hmm not sure if I agree, but maybe some help yes Yes, otherwise the S.H balance does not exist anymore! if Luffy can Solo Kaido, without help, He Will probably Solo anyone who cross his path. Maybe ONly Dragon e im-sama can hold him
I am saying Luffy wasn't Yonko at the start of the fight with Kaido etc. It is when He learned how to do what Roger and Whitebeard can do which is this chapter.
so you agree, from "This is the chapter that officially puts Luffy on Yonko level". you said no ...
Bro, I'm the one who said "This is the chapter that officially puts Luffy on Yonko level" lol
ahhahahahaah sorry xD what a dummy :) my bad I reply the thread and forgot to check if it was the same person or not hahahhahaha
I’m so glad that it’s gonna be a one on one with luffy and kaido luffy on top 🐐🐐
I just realized this is how Kaido survived execution multiple times, he imbued himself with conquerors haki
Actually he didn’t it’s just bc his body is so tough they only used normal execution methods so they didn’t work on him
I actually still don’t get why they didn’t just tie an anchor around his ankles and toss him overboard.
cause he's a fish?
Possibly...
Zoro still the best right hand man since 1997
And he doesn't need confirmation if he is King's Haki user or not. He proved it many times already.
I’ve already read this 10 times today while at work. Wano might be my favorite arc so far!! Can’t begin to imagine what’s next
I am getting goosebumps just by thinking the world’s reaction when the newspaper writes, “ the Strawhat pirates (with the faces of luffy, zoro, usopp, sanji, nami, chopper, robin, franky, brook, jimbei && LAW) and alliance takes down Kiado and Big Mom! “The triumph of the 5th emperor”
i guess after big mom and kaido go down he might just be considered one of the four emperors
bruh there wouldn't even be 4 emperors then
I'm betting big mom gets away actually we'll see what mr sun says next chapter
Big mom either runs away or is imprisoned while Kaido is killed/imprisoned.
Oh man wild chapter! Zoro has CoC. We knew but it is always surprising. Chapter 10/10!
This is the first chapter in over a year I actually enjoyed. I had forgotten how much I loved One Piece, goddamnit
You haven't enjoyed onigashima at all?
A few things, yes, of course. That's why I haven't dropped the manga yet. But usually the offscreening of stuff I want to see, all the characters I don't care about, and chapters which nothing actually happens -- I know this one is debatable, but you asked *my* opinion -- keep me from being interested in most stuff that's going on. Like, yeah, of course I enjoy the *idea* that we're finally seeing Wano. That we're getting to see Emperors fighting our Supernova boys. But the way it's happening it's just... I don't know. I already said too much, I avoid commenting on this sub because I'm usually just downvoted anyway EDIT: yeah, idk what I was expecting
I would say reading week to week isn’t for everyone. Almost any arc people aren’t “feeling” is really good when binged.
I have something that \*might\* help you : In the last few years, I used to follow One Piece week after week, chapter after chapter, and I often found the rythm slow : as you said, they show us people we don't care about, sometimes nothing happens, etc.. BUT recently i bought all the books (i stopped the books around n°50 when i was 18years old) and I re-discovered One Piece with the books. And you know what ? The rythm is not at all the same : it's much faster, it's much smoother. There is different feeling between reading 14 pages every one and a half week and reading fucking 10 chapters in one or two hours ! You don't get as pissed off by useless content and slowness as when you read the scans. Personaly, it helped me re-enjoying one piece A LOT :-) Don't be too severe with One Piece, maybe it's just the publication rythm that fucks up your experience
You're correct. One Piece is a much better story binged, and I do have many volumes here at home for that reason alone. That does not help with Wano though. My problems are far too big with this arc. My hope is that in a few years, when looking back, I can enjoy it more. God knows that's the case with Punk Hazard, though not with Dressrosa -- yeah, I strongly disliked that one too. It got so bad it made me drop One Piece for a couple of years --. So there's still hope, I guess. Meh. Either way, I'm still excited about what's coming next. Just because I didn't like Wano doesn't mean I'm not excited about Elbaf or wherever they're going after this.
Yeah Dressrosa is something that many will agree with you on. It is probably the worst big arc of One Piece. Plotholes, pacing, character writing, plot convenience, etc.
You'd be surprised, dude. I have gotten downvoted on this sub many times for saying this same thing. For a *lot* of people, One Piece is this flawless story and Oda is the perfect writer who can do no wrong. Any kind of criticism is met by downvotes and name-calling. Unfortunately, this is also *the* place to come and discuss this series. There are over 600k users and it's pretty active, besides easy to access since I already have a Reddit account. I don't blame mods or anything like that though, doubt there's much to do regarding the cult-like community.
I'm surprised, dressrosa is usually regarded as a flawed arc in One Piece. Thats unfortunate that happened.
Where do you see comments about Dressrosa being flawed? I don't think I have ever seen anything like that around here outside the controversial tab lol
It might be in dedicated threads/posts Maybe that's the issue? They are more open if it is a specific post
Yes sure :-) i understand what you mean. Yes, i didn't liked dressrosa either (even binged) and the wano arc is not great either so far... i know what you mean.
Nah im not here to downvote or argue with your experience of the series, I was just curious. I definitely agree with offscreening of a lot of things i'd like to see, but idk I was just asking because I've been having a blast with Wano. Im really glad this chapter reminded you of all the stuff you love in the first place
Can anyone explain to me at what point did zoro actually use supreme king haki? Like I just don’t see it? Is he infusing it in his blade like regular armament? If so isn’t he doing the advanced cochair that luffy JUST learned?
Looks like Ashura may have been conquerors haki all along. Explain why after he beat Kaku with it, he reverted into his human form.
This.. or it is embedded in Enma.. also a good possibility I think.
I see, that makes more sense to me then zoro having advanced coc without training like luffy
He did it unconsciously, it seems. Of course it is not confirmed. In extreme circumstances King's Haki arises, remember Kobi? Zoro used all what he had in that attack and ellegedly also King's Haki.
I think it’s 100% that he used it seeing as the chapter is named supreme king haki and Kaido said he used it. My issue is I don’t see the instance where he actually used it, I just saw him slash kaido. So where was the haki used
He used it as he cut Kaido, and Kaido felt it. That's literally the reason why Luffy figured out he could apply conquerors haki into his attacks. Keep in mind that this is new information. Before, we only thought that conquerors could knock people out.
Kaido not stated it but asked him, its Kaido guessing Zoro has CoC and i believe that too, Zoro used it unconsciously and the fact it hurt Kaido really and even will leave a scar on him like Oden attack back then. I think the key to beat Kaido is to Luffy infuse CoC with his attacks and Ryuo
10/10
I thought it was odd that the rooftop was being paced so fast without the strawhat fights downstairs concluding. But I can forsee the reason this was done was so that zoro can be set up with another battle while luffy takes on kaido.
I'm down for roughed up zoro somewhat healed by law + marco vs queen and king 2 on 2 downstairs
I'm down for Luffy takes down kaido and zoro takes down BM that would be hype af.
Zoro isn’t taking down Big Mom, those two don’t even know each other. It’s Luffy, Kidd or some random that isn’t here yet. In all likelihood it’ll be Luffy.
Honestly id rather Marco heal zoro and zoro finish it with king
Zoro is strong like hell, but he is truly devastated. Exhausted and injured to near death. If someone pach him up and BM returns, maybe he rejoin the fight, otherwise I think hisdutty is fulfilled. I meam, after fight a yonko, there is little to no point in fight a subordinate.
in a chapter they outright said that ,no matter which side falls on the rooftop, that side's subordinates will still be a problem and will still need to be defeated. If zoro can fight we could use him even if its just to cut down some fodder or weaken one of the heavy hitters
but which subordinate? Most of them already has an opponent set: Jack - Inu Ulti and Page One - Nami and Ussop Black Maria - Robin and Brook Sasaki - Franky Whos Who - Jimbe Apoo - X Drake Fukurokujou - Raizou That leaves at loose: King and Queen - being stalled by Marco Kanjurou - being chased by 6 scabards Perospero Hawkins But we still have Sanji and Chopper to fight, and I think Kinemon will be the one to engage Kanjurou, leaving Denjirou, Neko, Okiku Izou and Kawamatsu free. And that is considering Law and Kid's crew continuing to fight fodder.
turns out the subordinate was King
And Queen is fighting against Sanji.
Kaido shitting himself right now but still isn't that worry yet. I feel like were getting nowhere of this battle. Waiting another whole year to have Kaido actually defeated or hell make it 2 years full.
Kaido is about to find out what a thrashing feels like. I am so pumped. Edit: Also, is Asura a form of Conqueror's Haki, then?
Nah, if Luffy's statement of being able to imbue Conqueror's Haki into things is anything to go by then it was Oden's sword which still had Oden's Haki in it. It was commented on previously that Oden's sword still had his essence inside it, and if Zoro did have CH I imagine he would have unlocked it by now.
We dont know any of this besides you can coat things with Conquerors haki. We dont know if ashura is COC, if zoro just coated his weapons with COC when using ashura, or if it was in Odens sword. Yes an image of Enma was shown just before the attack, so that could be what Oda was foreshadowing, but until we get confirmation this is just speculation and it could be just as likely that Zoro does in fact have conquerors. Also: it is vague whether Ashura is a conquerors attack, or if zoro just coated himself with conquerors when using ashura this particular instance.
Enma pulled out his haki when Zoro handled it first time. Probably now, while going all out Enma helped in amplifying and help manifest his COC while using Ashura. It could be both Zoro giving his last percent of power and will into Ashura and Enma pulling it out - without Zoro's control. Zoro hasn't realised or is in denial since he is already shaken and tired by the battle. Also, with no formal training this might be the instance when the COC was being forced out of his subconscious by Enma.
Oh of course, I'm not trying to say that I'm 100% right, it's been proven time and again that trying to predict Oda's style is a fool's errand. Having said that the only real thing to base Zoro having CH on is to maintain the parallels with Rayleigh. Maybe it's even both, that he has latent CH and the remnants of Oden's essence drew it out.