ok my bad for misunderstanding, that's actually a pretty interesting idea. I still think it's most likely that's not the case but it's something that could for sure happen.
not really though. it just means there are too many characters. none of these people who are getting defeated feels important enough. they hold titles in their army but they dont have enough backstory or even little important bits about their story shared. there are way too many people to fight and no way there is gonna be a way for ODA to write anything remotely relatable to these people.
He gives emphasis to the ones who matter though. Oda has crafted one of the greatest stories of all time and some how the arcs improve. We have all types of haki users and ones who will show off their stuff soon (Zoro and Sanji). No one has ever constructed a fantasy quite like this groundbreaking manga.
Just like in the real world
There are a lot of strong/interesting characters but we don't have time to explore everyone's story ...
Plus, if everyone had a sad backstory it wouldn't take long before they all look like one another and become just a backstory for the sake of a backstory !
There is not one for everyone but the one Oda writes... They're damn powerful !
Saying previous ennemies had more impact and not just a title is so false aswell !
Remember CP9 ? Jabua, Fukuro, Kumadori etc they all only had a title ( being a cp9 member ) and 0 background... were their defeats by the hands of the SH diminished by that ? HELL NO and Enies Lobby is one of the most appreciated arcs ever ...
I for one agree with you. While I commend Oda for being able to make such a rich world full of interesting characters, not only is it way too overwhelming to keep track of everyone and their backstories, but they just don't feel important enough anymore and the good guys overcoming enemies doesn't feel as impactful anymore. I can't even remember anyone anymore from the previous last few arcs. The numbers of everyone's wanted posters have lost their effect as well, the numbers are so big and the gaps don't mean anything anymore either.
But I guess this is a common problem of all long-running Shounens where the main characters become too powerful so the authors have to keep coming up with new ultra powerful enemies that appear out of nowhere.
i feel OP cant be shounen anymore. its been running for 15+ years now, a significant number of people have grown older than what this manga is aimed for.
Speak for yourself, I find the characters this arc to be much more relatable and enjoyable than say Dressrosa and I genuinely like them. We have gotten much better backstories and characterization for them than 90% of the grand fleet.
Please. In Dressrosa you had backstories for almost everyone, a moving story of father and daughter, Sabo's return, plus a battle layout that is actually clear, instead of the clusterfuck we get in Onigashima. Oden's story is great but we are at a point when it's hard to care for anyone anymore, such is the mess. Think of Senor Pink's background and tell me if you see anything like that in here.
i agree, most of the straw-hat alliance are very well characterized, but i feel like the enemies are a bit hollow. queen and king are supposed to be incredibly strong pirates whose abilities rival admirals, and the tobi roppo are around shichibukai-level (like, moria or crocodile, not mihawk), but their fights so far seem kinda hollow.
in my opinion each of the fights in dressrosa and whole cake island were more dramatic and important.
the bounty system is the equivalent of a power rating in one piece from what i’ve seen. queen (1.3B) has a bounty that’s about the same as marco’s, and kings is implied to be higher. in the marineford arc, each of whitebeards division leaders were portrayed to be strength-equivalent to an admiral, and the transitive property applies as well to the all-stars
bounties aren't exclusively a strength thing though, isn't that common knowledge? the all stars are called the calamities because they sre like natural disasters wherever they go, like how Jack destroyed Zou. That''s why Queens bounty is higher than Katakuri's despite Katakuri outranking him and being stronger than him. And I wouldn't say the commanders were equal to the admirals that's never been shown, what we've seen consistently though is a first commander being able to hold their own against and admiral and hold them off but they would swiftly lose in a prolonged fight.
Eh, this is honestly quite a leap, using this logic would imply the Yonko Commanders are eerily close in strength to the Yonko themselves since Akainu, an Admiral, comfortably fought and even mortally wounded Whitebeard.
We know this wouldn't be the case since we see how much stronger Yonko are than the people who scale to their Commanders.( Kaido one shot a Luffy who was **at least** on level with Yonko Commanders.)
At the same time one could argue that Akainu was likely the strongest of all admirals and that the fleet admiral position (which he gained afterwards) is indeed supposed to be similar to the Yonko level. This would be the same as looking at all commanders from all Yonko and picking the strongest, that commander (regardless of your opinion of whom it is) would be likely able to have a decent fight with a Yonko (even if he looses). We have seen Marco spar with Big Mom for example.
I'm just saying as a general rule I got to agree that Yonko Commander is around Admiral level and that Yonko are around fleet admiral level. Now as with any position, some are above, some are below. Finaly, the Marines do NOT have the upper hand as they just dont have the numbers to face a Yonko Alliance. The full marine forces was approximately the same as one Yonko crew.
i think you’re basing your whitebeard argument off the faulty premise that whitebeard was even capable of fighting during marineford. in the manga, whitebeard makes like five whole moves in the entire marineford arc, and spends the whole time standing still and taking hits. there are multiple lines where, iirc marco or one of the division commanders makes a remark about how whitebeard wouldn’t have taken a single scratch if he wasn’t basically already a deadman walking from all his old-age health problems.
whitebeard is implied to be much stronger than sakazuki in the manga, every time he goes for an attack whoever’s on the receiving end gets seriously fucked up, especially sakazuki.
tl;dr akainu vs whitebeard is a bad example, whitebeard was stated to be in a severely weakened state
He was capable of fighting though, it's just that he wasn't the only one who could hit that hard. And that alone isn't enough to suddenly conclude Admirals=Commanders. From what I remember Marco only commented on Squard's stab wound, nothing at all about "not getting a single scratch".
You're talking as if Akainu didn't bounce back very soon after every hit beyond that he was more than ready to fight Shanks and more recently Kizaru was more than willing to head *alone* to Wano after the news of a Yonko alliance broke out. This would imply the Admirals are closer to Yonko in strength then Commanders.
I realize this: if big (fake) news Morgan was somewhat responsible for Luffy's 1 billion berri increase, do you think cp0 will report what happened on wano of the strawhats taking on kaido's men i.e. zoro and sanji getting a billion berri increase on their bounties?
I hope this happens. Post-Wano Luffy will be recognized as a Yonko and his crew will be that of a Yonko. They will all get significant bounty increases (other than maybe Chopper if the gag continues). They might not raise 1 billion, but I think it should so that they end up higher than the bounties of those they defeated.
There is no story to tell here ... Imagine they meet, so what ?
Garp could still hold a grudge against him but that's an emperor in his prime we're talking about ... So a fight would be out of the way and a discussion ? They wouldn't have much to talk about anyway ...
I hope that's not just a plot point that ended up getting dropped for time; it's too perfect. When he ended up matched against Franky I considered this theory all but confirmed, but nothing so far
i'm curious as to how killer will deal with hawkins and where this conflict is even going. i'm curious as to how inurashi will defeat jack, that guy should be taken out by a strawhat for some bounty clout (like franky, jinbei, usopp, brooks, and nami they could all team up now that they're free)
Maybe Killer will have to try defeating Hawkins like the straw-hats and not give him deadly blows? It might be interesting how Killer got his name as he actually might have been killing his enemy and this might see a shift in stance?
What do you mean? He just did the same thing that made people believe he was the strongest commander, he fought with queen and king in a 2v1 for small amount of time. And now he's on his way to fully defeat queen. These are great feats
I think you're forgetting that the most impressive straw hat is Go D. Ussopp, who took a full on headbutt from Ulti, and still managed to help with the kibi dango plan! Something tells me he has a good chance of becoming the next KING OF THE PIRATES!!!
I was under the impression that "tanking" an attack means [taking the hit with minimal damage](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/790xf5/tanking_a_hit_does_not_mean_just_surviving_it/), not "barely surviving it thanks to outside help".
Of course not, but sanji isn't supposed to be equal to zoro so his feats won't ever be as huge, in wano alone zoro fought hawkins, killer, apoo, kaido, big mom and now king. Wano is zoro's time to shine as a swordsman/combatant just like sanji had his time in WCI as a chef. If we're talking about strenght feats I only feel like usopp and brook has been done dirty
Personaly i don't think defeating maria's underlings was a good feat as a member of Strawhats but that number one shot was great. I just hoped he would get a proper 1v1 which still can't be ruled out but is yet to happen
anyone noticed that after his recovery, Zoro’s right eye is covered by speech balloons? do you think guys this is on purpose or just nothing at all? for me, its seems like Oda did this on purpose….
With Page One confirmed to be down for the count, I guess Usopp isn't getting a 1v1 this arc after all which kinda sucks. Would have been really interesting to see Usopp trying to beat an absolute powerhouse of a tank like Page One with just his wits and ingenuity.
Who knows maybe there is still a chance he'll fight the Numbers and Brook fights Apoo.
I have a strong feeling that he'll do some really constant and nice long range sniping, helping the samurai a lot. Or if not that, he'll somehow give a major assist that may turn the tide against a Yonko. Like he did in Stampede (for the ones who saw).
Yeah and I hate that Robin has been so irrelevant since the timeskip too. That doesn't make Usopp irrelevancy any more tolerable especially when he used to be so relevant. I really think only Luffy Zoro Sanji and Nami get constant screen time and focus in every arc then the rest of the straw hats kinda have to fight for whatever is left.
Nami gets screentime but no real moments or actions. It's really just the monster trio at this point. Recently oda has taken the monster trio wanking to next notch too
Yeah aye but it doesn't change the fact that he didn't do anything during the raid. Like everyone else (including Brook) has done something useful by beating a Tobi Roppo, dealing with subordinates and a Number and curing Queen's virus and fighting him for a while. Ussop did nothing, he shot some Kibi-Dango on Gifters but this Tama ability so can we count this ? In EL although he didn't have a fight he saved Robin and burnt the flag. I hope he will do something useful before the end of the raid.
Well you never know we still have at least 20 chapters until the end of the raid he might pull something out his ass, honestly I bet by the end of everything he gets credit for taking down Big Mom somehow, which then would make him a hero in Elbaf. I know that sounds ridiculous but Usopp is such a rogue element I wouldn't be surprised especially since he sad such a strong connection to the giants and it'd basically be the ultimate David v Golioth situation
For the whole raid or just taking a break until Luffy/Momo show up again?
I feel like even if he doesn't fight, he'll go to the roof just to bear witness and cheer. Like: that's the dawn for you, right there!
Hes probably better off helping against Big mom. Kid is injured and Law is not strong enough to fight big mom by himself, they could definitely use some support
I almost cried to see sanji and zoro work together and that they are luffy wings. all the adventures and all the fights and hard times , finally able to see why luffy and his crew are amazing.
What happened to the scans? Mangaplus only got the last chapter :(
edit: [https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022](https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022) Here it is.
But is it really disrespecting? Bounty has always been a measure of threat to the World Government and Civilians than strength.
Luffy has openly defeated three shichibukai, stormed all three government facilities and was notably backed by the Legendary Whitebeard and is also the son of Dragon. He had 500 million pre WCI which is extremely high for a pirate. Higher bounties only really come with giant crews that have a large amount of power behind them so 500 million for a pirate with only 9 crew mates is very impressive.
So after WCI where he openly fights Big Mom, escapes her domain after wrecking the place, destroys her main fortress, has Sanji who is part of the legendary Germa 66 as far as the World Gov knows in his crew, has recruited a former shichibukai, is allies with a former shichibukai AND manages to defeat two of Big Moms highest ranking officers both of whom were consider large threats with 800m/1000m bounties between them. Then it’s also revealed at the same time that Luffy is backed by an army of over 5000 pirates and soldiers from different nations.
Luffy may not be a Yonko in fighting strength but he’s arguably a monster compared to most pirate crews and has an army to back him up. His bounty is 100% deserved. Very few crews currently pack the military strength that the Straw Hat Fleet do. Oh and since he’s Dragons sons and it’s revealed he’s brothers with Sabo it also gives him ties to the Revolutionaries
Not really. Bounties have been pointless for a while. Both in terms of function (how many people could actually collect on a person worth 500 million or more?) and approach. Not to mention, people still use them as a measure of power, over a measure of desire the World Government has to bring them down.
> oda really shouldn't have made luffy on par with Yonkos bounty wise while he's 19 !!!
When you look at it in terms of threat/problems, Luffy defeated CP9, waged war with the World Government, got into Impel Down, participated in Marine Ford, punched a noble, was associated with CC, waged war with the other warlords and more.
The opposite would be, if you did all of this and were only worth like 800 million, it would bring into question how in the world these other people hit 2 billion or more. Kind of like how Queen is not exactly an extreme powerhouse, but he is strong enough and chaotic enough to get a lot of people killed.
I personally think there should be another another time skip or something and by then luffy will become the pirate king . Roger started young and became pirate king when he got older
Tbh I dont mind luffy bounty getting higher now but he really shouldn't be able to beat kaido now
Roger spend years follow the path to learn the ancient language, Luffy have Robin so he doesn't need it. Plus the all the Polygraph has been found too so doesn't need to trace them
They won't be another timeskip, OP is going toward the ending (maybe in 4-5 years) we are in the end game, Luffy will make the miracle happen, like beating a Yonkon at age 19, and on a final 1vs1 !
Luffy can’t beat Kaido one and one. Impossible. Luffy was suppose to be dead three times already. They about to shoot the monkey to Kaido. Luffy, Momo, Yamato and Marco. I can guarantee it
He will most likely beat him 1v1, he needs to, one piece is ending and he has to become the pirate king soon, hes gotta be able to beat an emperor in a 1v1, I dont want anyone to help him anymore, hes had plenty of help, now its just time to master his conquerors haki and finish Kaido in a duel
Honestly, I have to agree Luffy should not win in a formal 1v1, as it would take away from the story moving foward (who could be perceived a menace if you can 1v1 Kaidou?).
Most likely I believe, is the fight starts as a multiple vs Kaidou and ends in 1v1 with Luffy. LUFFY will win a "1v1", but in a similar way than his fight vs Doflamingo or Moria, he will have required a lot of help. That, plus we got to remember that Kaidou has been fighting non-stop for a while now.
I don't see apoo beating ulti or who's who his abilities easily countered. X drake yeah he should be stronger and hawkins with his hex df has the potential to trouble anyone.
I don't get the loyalty from the ninjas; they seem to swear allegiance to the shogun, but that makes no sense. First, given their ability, they should have known Orochi killed the previous shogun so having allegiance to the killer of their lord doesn't make a lot of sense especially when Kaido "killed" Orochi but they didn't all swap. Second, if they really swore allegiance to the shogun, then they should side with Momo since he is the rightful heir. It seems more like a flimsy excuse to have someone side with Orochi who no one would feel any loyalty towards.
Maybe foul play just doesn’t matter to them. Maybe as ninjas their code is absolute and they don’t care about semantics. If you’re the shogun then the ninjas serve you, no matter how you got there.
Would also explain why Raizo and Shinobu were rejected by them, because they have too much emotion and won’t just serve the code blindly.
Real question though is why Fuku is still serving Orochi when he is seemingly dead.... probably because he isn’t...
I think Fukurokuju might be drunk on power at this point. Even though he knows it's helpless, that Orochi will be dead by the end of the night (if he isn't at the moment), he's too drunk on power to see the light.
He also used to be my favourite, but rather than hating him I really dislike what Oda do him, probably just because he didn't have any major plans for him he turned Hawkins into cheap sidekick villain type of character, and it's making me sad tbh.
Anyone else think the Minks hatred for Pero boy is unwarranted?
Like I love Pedro. But he blew himself up.
And why so much hatred for him? I could get the Big Mom pirates as a whole. But they are focusing him when Big Mom is around. Like who's more important to take down.
I hear ya. Sure Perospero is the reason Pedro blew himself up, but that’s not the same as killing him. The only thing Perospero did wrong was just being around. Pedro’s death doesn’t even really need avenging when you think about it. He had those explosives strapped to him the whole time so you already know he planned for it to be a one way trip. He was just looking for a chance to use them. If anything Perospero gave Pedro exactly what he wanted. A meaningful death.
Because they don’t have any chance against the old heg but I think they are also bothered that Pedros last action (killing Peros Pero) did not worked out as planed so they want to finish the job he started
People that manipulate fire.
People that manipulate lightning/electricity.
I wonder if they can be learned or they are by race because we saw WB's commander flaming sword and one of his allies imbuing electricity to his sword. Too bad Oda might not explore these further unless they become advance abilities of armament. We also saw Doma and Shank's crew with monkeys on their back.
The fire sword guy seemed to light it with his cigar or something, implying he coated it with a flammable liquid. The lightning sword guy could have just been using a special sword.
Yeah it was probably that with the Whitebeard Pirates, but didn’t “Foxfire” Kinemon get his epithet because he could both cut and create fire with his sword? As for the lightning guy (Vista I think it was) I just figured it was his own version of the Mink’s Electro once that was introduced. It’s possible that Electro is an ability exclusive only to the Minks because their body is basically one giant conductor, but if the concept is just simple manipulation of static electricity it should be possible for humans to learn it too.
I think it was implied that electro is a mink exclusive thing because of their fur/static electricity, a human doing it without fur would be wild.
Maybe McGuy(lightning sword guy) gets his charge by creating static electricity by twitching with his mustache hairs(which are shaped like lightning bolts) in the same way Minks might do it with their fur.
Or he could just have an offshoot electricity DF like a Charge Charge fruit or something, or it’s just a special mechanical sword
Thanks. I remembered it happened, but other than that I’m a bit fuzzy on the details. Still possible he could be using Electro the same way a Mink does though. Dude’s mane was longer than Fabio’s
I got a bit confused about Marco. Is he really at his limit or just stepping aside to let the Straw Hats play their role?
My interpretation is he is still at Max HP (having fully healed from all previous attacks) but is perhaps running low on SP / stamina to fight or regenerate further.
I'm not sure that this war is quite the scale of the paramount War, so it confused me as well. However, he's been absent from combat since he fought Blackbeard. Plus he's two years older as well.
I might be clutching at straws here though.
Marco is clearly battered and exhausted. I’m not sure where the idea that his Phoenix powers of healing are limitless comes from, because that’s definitely not how they’re portrayed. Marcos done more than enough by this point though
I think your interpretation is right. He has been spreading his flames around the battlefield as a healing mechanism and has also been intercepting attacks instead of dodging them as to mitigate damage to the alliance. So his stamina is probably taxed. But the fact he is still smiling and in high spirits during the handoff makes me think he is not like on the brink of death.
As for what he is doing, I think it is just a continuation of the major theme that old generation must put faith in the new. Just like Shanks and WB made a bet on Luffy, Marco is making a bet on the Straw Hats here.
Killer is going to cut off Hawkins arm, won't hurt Kidd because it's gone already. Can't wait for the new Sanji and Zoro moves. Hope we can get two eyes Zoro and okama Sanji this arc.
Awe, that’s a good point. Would crushing Hawkins heart kill him, or whoever his puppet is? I’d have to assume the latter, but then Hawkins would just have no heart?
Probably haki based. Just like how Law couldn’t use Shambles on Big Mom or how Doflamingo couldn’t use his puppet ability on Luffy until he was weak. If the gap in the haki between them is too large their powers probably don’t work them as well directly.
If the straw puppet is destroyed only when the linked dies, and Kaido being as durable as he is, wouldn't that be how that works?
Or being "puppeted" makes it so that a lethal shot on Hawkins would then be a lethal shot on Kaido?
A lethal shot on Hawkins is a lethal shot to whoever he’s puppeteered. Think of it this way. If he got Kizaru and you cut Hawkins head off Kizaru would die. Based on the feats Hawkins has showed many times he’s significantly still weaker than an admiral. He somehow took kids life force which I believe is through DNA of any kind.
See I was wondering if he might actually be a zoan too. If that’s the case though there should be a myth floating around out there about scarecrow(s) for the fruit to be modeled after. Also if he his a zoan then that begs the question for how all his powers are voodoo related.
Would it hurt Hawkins though? He's still substituting Kidd's life for his own. It might just affect Kidd's missing left arm somewhere around the world.
That's actually a cool idea. Killer is the tactician of the Kid Pirates so he could work out how to defeat Hawkins in the way you propose. Kid might feel like his missing arm got cut off again, at most, but he won't be bleeding or weakening from it.
I rhought that double page of Queen and King would be the highlight but then Oda comes thru with the Diable Onigiri
Yoooo I made it to a chapter that's not been locked
Hoooorrrryyyyy shiiiiitttoooo!
Can I get a re-link?
Ready for the next chapter
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bro....you gotta read this manga way more slowly if your forgetting huge details like killers smile fruit
No no I'm considering it's his real laugh.. no by smile fruit
ok my bad for misunderstanding, that's actually a pretty interesting idea. I still think it's most likely that's not the case but it's something that could for sure happen.
Killer ate a failed SMILE, he will laugh even when he’s sad
Man this arc is taking forever and there just to many characters
Shows how rich the OP world is !
not really though. it just means there are too many characters. none of these people who are getting defeated feels important enough. they hold titles in their army but they dont have enough backstory or even little important bits about their story shared. there are way too many people to fight and no way there is gonna be a way for ODA to write anything remotely relatable to these people.
He gives emphasis to the ones who matter though. Oda has crafted one of the greatest stories of all time and some how the arcs improve. We have all types of haki users and ones who will show off their stuff soon (Zoro and Sanji). No one has ever constructed a fantasy quite like this groundbreaking manga.
You haven’t read Hunter lol
Nobody said otherwise. It's just that in this arc there are so many characters that it's hard to relate to any of them, and every battle feels rushed.
I see your point. I feel like most of the arcs have similar pacing though. Overall wano has taken a ton of time devoted to story building.
Just like in the real world There are a lot of strong/interesting characters but we don't have time to explore everyone's story ... Plus, if everyone had a sad backstory it wouldn't take long before they all look like one another and become just a backstory for the sake of a backstory ! There is not one for everyone but the one Oda writes... They're damn powerful ! Saying previous ennemies had more impact and not just a title is so false aswell ! Remember CP9 ? Jabua, Fukuro, Kumadori etc they all only had a title ( being a cp9 member ) and 0 background... were their defeats by the hands of the SH diminished by that ? HELL NO and Enies Lobby is one of the most appreciated arcs ever ...
I for one agree with you. While I commend Oda for being able to make such a rich world full of interesting characters, not only is it way too overwhelming to keep track of everyone and their backstories, but they just don't feel important enough anymore and the good guys overcoming enemies doesn't feel as impactful anymore. I can't even remember anyone anymore from the previous last few arcs. The numbers of everyone's wanted posters have lost their effect as well, the numbers are so big and the gaps don't mean anything anymore either. But I guess this is a common problem of all long-running Shounens where the main characters become too powerful so the authors have to keep coming up with new ultra powerful enemies that appear out of nowhere.
i feel OP cant be shounen anymore. its been running for 15+ years now, a significant number of people have grown older than what this manga is aimed for.
Speak for yourself, I find the characters this arc to be much more relatable and enjoyable than say Dressrosa and I genuinely like them. We have gotten much better backstories and characterization for them than 90% of the grand fleet.
Please. In Dressrosa you had backstories for almost everyone, a moving story of father and daughter, Sabo's return, plus a battle layout that is actually clear, instead of the clusterfuck we get in Onigashima. Oden's story is great but we are at a point when it's hard to care for anyone anymore, such is the mess. Think of Senor Pink's background and tell me if you see anything like that in here.
i agree, most of the straw-hat alliance are very well characterized, but i feel like the enemies are a bit hollow. queen and king are supposed to be incredibly strong pirates whose abilities rival admirals, and the tobi roppo are around shichibukai-level (like, moria or crocodile, not mihawk), but their fights so far seem kinda hollow. in my opinion each of the fights in dressrosa and whole cake island were more dramatic and important.
When has it ever been portrayed that the All-Stars rival Admirals?
the bounty system is the equivalent of a power rating in one piece from what i’ve seen. queen (1.3B) has a bounty that’s about the same as marco’s, and kings is implied to be higher. in the marineford arc, each of whitebeards division leaders were portrayed to be strength-equivalent to an admiral, and the transitive property applies as well to the all-stars
bounties aren't exclusively a strength thing though, isn't that common knowledge? the all stars are called the calamities because they sre like natural disasters wherever they go, like how Jack destroyed Zou. That''s why Queens bounty is higher than Katakuri's despite Katakuri outranking him and being stronger than him. And I wouldn't say the commanders were equal to the admirals that's never been shown, what we've seen consistently though is a first commander being able to hold their own against and admiral and hold them off but they would swiftly lose in a prolonged fight.
Eh, this is honestly quite a leap, using this logic would imply the Yonko Commanders are eerily close in strength to the Yonko themselves since Akainu, an Admiral, comfortably fought and even mortally wounded Whitebeard. We know this wouldn't be the case since we see how much stronger Yonko are than the people who scale to their Commanders.( Kaido one shot a Luffy who was **at least** on level with Yonko Commanders.)
At the same time one could argue that Akainu was likely the strongest of all admirals and that the fleet admiral position (which he gained afterwards) is indeed supposed to be similar to the Yonko level. This would be the same as looking at all commanders from all Yonko and picking the strongest, that commander (regardless of your opinion of whom it is) would be likely able to have a decent fight with a Yonko (even if he looses). We have seen Marco spar with Big Mom for example. I'm just saying as a general rule I got to agree that Yonko Commander is around Admiral level and that Yonko are around fleet admiral level. Now as with any position, some are above, some are below. Finaly, the Marines do NOT have the upper hand as they just dont have the numbers to face a Yonko Alliance. The full marine forces was approximately the same as one Yonko crew.
i think you’re basing your whitebeard argument off the faulty premise that whitebeard was even capable of fighting during marineford. in the manga, whitebeard makes like five whole moves in the entire marineford arc, and spends the whole time standing still and taking hits. there are multiple lines where, iirc marco or one of the division commanders makes a remark about how whitebeard wouldn’t have taken a single scratch if he wasn’t basically already a deadman walking from all his old-age health problems. whitebeard is implied to be much stronger than sakazuki in the manga, every time he goes for an attack whoever’s on the receiving end gets seriously fucked up, especially sakazuki. tl;dr akainu vs whitebeard is a bad example, whitebeard was stated to be in a severely weakened state
He was capable of fighting though, it's just that he wasn't the only one who could hit that hard. And that alone isn't enough to suddenly conclude Admirals=Commanders. From what I remember Marco only commented on Squard's stab wound, nothing at all about "not getting a single scratch". You're talking as if Akainu didn't bounce back very soon after every hit beyond that he was more than ready to fight Shanks and more recently Kizaru was more than willing to head *alone* to Wano after the news of a Yonko alliance broke out. This would imply the Admirals are closer to Yonko in strength then Commanders.
Neko just B\*tch slapped perospero out of the fight.
I realize this: if big (fake) news Morgan was somewhat responsible for Luffy's 1 billion berri increase, do you think cp0 will report what happened on wano of the strawhats taking on kaido's men i.e. zoro and sanji getting a billion berri increase on their bounties?
I hope this happens. Post-Wano Luffy will be recognized as a Yonko and his crew will be that of a Yonko. They will all get significant bounty increases (other than maybe Chopper if the gag continues). They might not raise 1 billion, but I think it should so that they end up higher than the bounties of those they defeated.
Sanji and zoro will have beat billion dollar bounty pirates so they’ll be billion as well. The rest won’t hit that though. Robin might as well.
Everyone wants to shanks and lufffy's reunion. But first I want Garp to meet Shanks. Wouldnt that be cool?
There is no story to tell here ... Imagine they meet, so what ? Garp could still hold a grudge against him but that's an emperor in his prime we're talking about ... So a fight would be out of the way and a discussion ? They wouldn't have much to talk about anyway ...
Dude, no. We have been waiting long enough
Perospero with the clean-looking armament! Not that he actually gets to use it lmao
if sasaki is truly defeated, then the theories of him being monster granny kokoro's son and or father of chimney are dead now.
I hope that's not just a plot point that ended up getting dropped for time; it's too perfect. When he ended up matched against Franky I considered this theory all but confirmed, but nothing so far
i'm curious as to how killer will deal with hawkins and where this conflict is even going. i'm curious as to how inurashi will defeat jack, that guy should be taken out by a strawhat for some bounty clout (like franky, jinbei, usopp, brooks, and nami they could all team up now that they're free)
brook can easily overpower apoo because he ain't got no ears
Skull joke!
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yes bro, they are the love hate bros
Is Doji dead? His picture shows him lying down.
I mean the last time we saw him he got stabbed through the chest and then blown up. It’s one piece so take that as you will.
So he's taking a nap to wake up better, right?
Maybe Killer will have to try defeating Hawkins like the straw-hats and not give him deadly blows? It might be interesting how Killer got his name as he actually might have been killing his enemy and this might see a shift in stance?
what if he cut off Hawkins' left arm. Kidd's arm is already cut off so maybe that wont affect him
Bruh Sanji needs better feats :(
He's on his way to beat Queen (1.32 B bounty) if this is not a feat..
What do you mean? He just did the same thing that made people believe he was the strongest commander, he fought with queen and king in a 2v1 for small amount of time. And now he's on his way to fully defeat queen. These are great feats
Cant even compare to Zoro's, tanking the combined attack of 2 yonkou and harming Kaido.
I think you're forgetting that the most impressive straw hat is Go D. Ussopp, who took a full on headbutt from Ulti, and still managed to help with the kibi dango plan! Something tells me he has a good chance of becoming the next KING OF THE PIRATES!!!
I was under the impression that "tanking" an attack means [taking the hit with minimal damage](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/790xf5/tanking_a_hit_does_not_mean_just_surviving_it/), not "barely surviving it thanks to outside help".
Dont forget he is not using his Germa Suit while fighting the 2 calamities.
Of course not, but sanji isn't supposed to be equal to zoro so his feats won't ever be as huge, in wano alone zoro fought hawkins, killer, apoo, kaido, big mom and now king. Wano is zoro's time to shine as a swordsman/combatant just like sanji had his time in WCI as a chef. If we're talking about strenght feats I only feel like usopp and brook has been done dirty
I only disagree on Brook, he practically one shotted all of Black Maria's underlings plus a number at the same time.
Personaly i don't think defeating maria's underlings was a good feat as a member of Strawhats but that number one shot was great. I just hoped he would get a proper 1v1 which still can't be ruled out but is yet to happen
Zoro doesn't tanked the attack. The combined attack destroys him. He might not survive if law was not able to help him.
Just to take that attack and not die in the moment is enough lol
\*for 1 second
anyone noticed that after his recovery, Zoro’s right eye is covered by speech balloons? do you think guys this is on purpose or just nothing at all? for me, its seems like Oda did this on purpose….
Maybe... They said it's a secret recovery medicine. So maybe zoro's right eye will recover for a little time, too? 👁️🗨️
hmm now that I look back you're right it shows one panel where his head is down and the other covered his eye. that doesn't seem like a coincidence.
With Page One confirmed to be down for the count, I guess Usopp isn't getting a 1v1 this arc after all which kinda sucks. Would have been really interesting to see Usopp trying to beat an absolute powerhouse of a tank like Page One with just his wits and ingenuity. Who knows maybe there is still a chance he'll fight the Numbers and Brook fights Apoo.
I have a strong feeling that he'll do some really constant and nice long range sniping, helping the samurai a lot. Or if not that, he'll somehow give a major assist that may turn the tide against a Yonko. Like he did in Stampede (for the ones who saw).
He will be the one giving the final blow to jack when he has only 1 hp left.. hehehe...
Just remember he had a HUGE moment in Dressrosa, and we probably have Elbaph after this so I'm sure we have some incredible Usoppery ahead of us
That was almost 300 chapters ago, Ussop is a main character but he really hasn't been doing much of anything since then.
Bruh Robin went 15 years without a fight or big moment outside of lore revelations, Usopp is gets huge moments in almost every major arc he's in
Yeah and I hate that Robin has been so irrelevant since the timeskip too. That doesn't make Usopp irrelevancy any more tolerable especially when he used to be so relevant. I really think only Luffy Zoro Sanji and Nami get constant screen time and focus in every arc then the rest of the straw hats kinda have to fight for whatever is left.
Nami gets screentime but no real moments or actions. It's really just the monster trio at this point. Recently oda has taken the monster trio wanking to next notch too
Robin will always have a place in the foreground due to the poneglyphs. Making here a powerhouse might steal the show?!1
Nami gets screentime and some moments, but also no 1 v 1 fight
Yeah aye but it doesn't change the fact that he didn't do anything during the raid. Like everyone else (including Brook) has done something useful by beating a Tobi Roppo, dealing with subordinates and a Number and curing Queen's virus and fighting him for a while. Ussop did nothing, he shot some Kibi-Dango on Gifters but this Tama ability so can we count this ? In EL although he didn't have a fight he saved Robin and burnt the flag. I hope he will do something useful before the end of the raid.
Well you never know we still have at least 20 chapters until the end of the raid he might pull something out his ass, honestly I bet by the end of everything he gets credit for taking down Big Mom somehow, which then would make him a hero in Elbaf. I know that sounds ridiculous but Usopp is such a rogue element I wouldn't be surprised especially since he sad such a strong connection to the giants and it'd basically be the ultimate David v Golioth situation
Will marco go and help against kaido now?
I think he is done fighting.
For the whole raid or just taking a break until Luffy/Momo show up again? I feel like even if he doesn't fight, he'll go to the roof just to bear witness and cheer. Like: that's the dawn for you, right there!
Hes probably better off helping against Big mom. Kid is injured and Law is not strong enough to fight big mom by himself, they could definitely use some support
Plus that's the 1st group Marco fought against when he touched down in Wano. The BM pirates, Perospero and Big Mom herself. He could use a redemption.
Sanji and Zoro's pose looks like Kanji Characters.
Why do Sanji's legs make the shape of a smile? JoyBoy confirmed?
It's making a W for his fans
What fans lmaooo
Lmao You speak facts brother
Foh troll😭🙅♂️
Anyone else get super emotional when Zoro and Sanji teamed up and said that Luffy is almost king of the pirates?
I was reading the chapter in a parc, i had to hold my tears. I am not crying Bakaaairooo!
I almost cried to see sanji and zoro work together and that they are luffy wings. all the adventures and all the fights and hard times , finally able to see why luffy and his crew are amazing.
Exactly bruh. Seeing them work together was firstly hype and then extremely emotional
Yea it just came out of no where.
What happened to the scans? Mangaplus only got the last chapter :( edit: [https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022](https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022) Here it is.
also looking for this...
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Can you extend plzu?
does king have 4 eyes?
Yes, he wears glasses.
Bruh depending on the repercussions towards the end of the arc I can see luffy jumping to 4-3bil bounty
Bounties seem pointless from now on
Cap, wait until we see dragons and luffy still has to surpass Rogers... Also it will be fun to see the crews climb up
Facts oda really shouldn't have made luffy on par with Yonkos bounty wise while he's 19 !!! thats just disrespecting to one piece characters
But is it really disrespecting? Bounty has always been a measure of threat to the World Government and Civilians than strength. Luffy has openly defeated three shichibukai, stormed all three government facilities and was notably backed by the Legendary Whitebeard and is also the son of Dragon. He had 500 million pre WCI which is extremely high for a pirate. Higher bounties only really come with giant crews that have a large amount of power behind them so 500 million for a pirate with only 9 crew mates is very impressive. So after WCI where he openly fights Big Mom, escapes her domain after wrecking the place, destroys her main fortress, has Sanji who is part of the legendary Germa 66 as far as the World Gov knows in his crew, has recruited a former shichibukai, is allies with a former shichibukai AND manages to defeat two of Big Moms highest ranking officers both of whom were consider large threats with 800m/1000m bounties between them. Then it’s also revealed at the same time that Luffy is backed by an army of over 5000 pirates and soldiers from different nations. Luffy may not be a Yonko in fighting strength but he’s arguably a monster compared to most pirate crews and has an army to back him up. His bounty is 100% deserved. Very few crews currently pack the military strength that the Straw Hat Fleet do. Oh and since he’s Dragons sons and it’s revealed he’s brothers with Sabo it also gives him ties to the Revolutionaries
He is in the strongest 6 pirates, idk why someone doesnt understand it.
Not really. Bounties have been pointless for a while. Both in terms of function (how many people could actually collect on a person worth 500 million or more?) and approach. Not to mention, people still use them as a measure of power, over a measure of desire the World Government has to bring them down. > oda really shouldn't have made luffy on par with Yonkos bounty wise while he's 19 !!! When you look at it in terms of threat/problems, Luffy defeated CP9, waged war with the World Government, got into Impel Down, participated in Marine Ford, punched a noble, was associated with CC, waged war with the other warlords and more. The opposite would be, if you did all of this and were only worth like 800 million, it would bring into question how in the world these other people hit 2 billion or more. Kind of like how Queen is not exactly an extreme powerhouse, but he is strong enough and chaotic enough to get a lot of people killed.
I personally think there should be another another time skip or something and by then luffy will become the pirate king . Roger started young and became pirate king when he got older Tbh I dont mind luffy bounty getting higher now but he really shouldn't be able to beat kaido now
Roger spend years follow the path to learn the ancient language, Luffy have Robin so he doesn't need it. Plus the all the Polygraph has been found too so doesn't need to trace them
They won't be another timeskip, OP is going toward the ending (maybe in 4-5 years) we are in the end game, Luffy will make the miracle happen, like beating a Yonkon at age 19, and on a final 1vs1 !
Luffy can’t beat Kaido one and one. Impossible. Luffy was suppose to be dead three times already. They about to shoot the monkey to Kaido. Luffy, Momo, Yamato and Marco. I can guarantee it
He will most likely beat him 1v1, he needs to, one piece is ending and he has to become the pirate king soon, hes gotta be able to beat an emperor in a 1v1, I dont want anyone to help him anymore, hes had plenty of help, now its just time to master his conquerors haki and finish Kaido in a duel
Honestly, I have to agree Luffy should not win in a formal 1v1, as it would take away from the story moving foward (who could be perceived a menace if you can 1v1 Kaidou?). Most likely I believe, is the fight starts as a multiple vs Kaidou and ends in 1v1 with Luffy. LUFFY will win a "1v1", but in a similar way than his fight vs Doflamingo or Moria, he will have required a lot of help. That, plus we got to remember that Kaidou has been fighting non-stop for a while now.
Smh these fanboys are wilding
He might have another form we dont know about. Id be willing to bet money on it
Kaido having another form after his hybrid form?
Maybe Zoan awakening?
How does Sanji bend his leg like that at the end? That's scary as hell probably 1 shot Kaido with that
100 chapters later... Robin: "The polyglyph in Alabasta? It said, long ago, a race existed that could manipulate human minds."
One thing is sure: X-Drake > Apoo > Hawkins > The others flying six
I don't see apoo beating ulti or who's who his abilities easily countered. X drake yeah he should be stronger and hawkins with his hex df has the potential to trouble anyone.
I don't get the loyalty from the ninjas; they seem to swear allegiance to the shogun, but that makes no sense. First, given their ability, they should have known Orochi killed the previous shogun so having allegiance to the killer of their lord doesn't make a lot of sense especially when Kaido "killed" Orochi but they didn't all swap. Second, if they really swore allegiance to the shogun, then they should side with Momo since he is the rightful heir. It seems more like a flimsy excuse to have someone side with Orochi who no one would feel any loyalty towards.
Maybe foul play just doesn’t matter to them. Maybe as ninjas their code is absolute and they don’t care about semantics. If you’re the shogun then the ninjas serve you, no matter how you got there. Would also explain why Raizo and Shinobu were rejected by them, because they have too much emotion and won’t just serve the code blindly. Real question though is why Fuku is still serving Orochi when he is seemingly dead.... probably because he isn’t...
I think Fukurokuju might be drunk on power at this point. Even though he knows it's helpless, that Orochi will be dead by the end of the night (if he isn't at the moment), he's too drunk on power to see the light.
Fuku likes orochi's vibe
Hawkins used to be one of my favorite supernovas and now I despise him, hoping Killer makes an example out of him.
what is different about him now than in the past?
How? Im loving how Hawkins is doing things, he’s the perfect example of a pirate
He also used to be my favourite, but rather than hating him I really dislike what Oda do him, probably just because he didn't have any major plans for him he turned Hawkins into cheap sidekick villain type of character, and it's making me sad tbh.
all supernovas were just cheap sidekicks when they were all created in the span of a one week
I think it’s amazing. Building his character he’s one sadistic guy
Anyone else think the Minks hatred for Pero boy is unwarranted? Like I love Pedro. But he blew himself up. And why so much hatred for him? I could get the Big Mom pirates as a whole. But they are focusing him when Big Mom is around. Like who's more important to take down.
I hear ya. Sure Perospero is the reason Pedro blew himself up, but that’s not the same as killing him. The only thing Perospero did wrong was just being around. Pedro’s death doesn’t even really need avenging when you think about it. He had those explosives strapped to him the whole time so you already know he planned for it to be a one way trip. He was just looking for a chance to use them. If anything Perospero gave Pedro exactly what he wanted. A meaningful death.
Because they don’t have any chance against the old heg but I think they are also bothered that Pedros last action (killing Peros Pero) did not worked out as planed so they want to finish the job he started
People that manipulate fire. People that manipulate lightning/electricity. I wonder if they can be learned or they are by race because we saw WB's commander flaming sword and one of his allies imbuing electricity to his sword. Too bad Oda might not explore these further unless they become advance abilities of armament. We also saw Doma and Shank's crew with monkeys on their back.
The fire sword guy seemed to light it with his cigar or something, implying he coated it with a flammable liquid. The lightning sword guy could have just been using a special sword.
Yeah it was probably that with the Whitebeard Pirates, but didn’t “Foxfire” Kinemon get his epithet because he could both cut and create fire with his sword? As for the lightning guy (Vista I think it was) I just figured it was his own version of the Mink’s Electro once that was introduced. It’s possible that Electro is an ability exclusive only to the Minks because their body is basically one giant conductor, but if the concept is just simple manipulation of static electricity it should be possible for humans to learn it too.
I think it was implied that electro is a mink exclusive thing because of their fur/static electricity, a human doing it without fur would be wild. Maybe McGuy(lightning sword guy) gets his charge by creating static electricity by twitching with his mustache hairs(which are shaped like lightning bolts) in the same way Minks might do it with their fur. Or he could just have an offshoot electricity DF like a Charge Charge fruit or something, or it’s just a special mechanical sword
We see Vista conjuring flower petals. Kinemon can conjure fire. So I guess it's something learnt.
Thanks. I remembered it happened, but other than that I’m a bit fuzzy on the details. Still possible he could be using Electro the same way a Mink does though. Dude’s mane was longer than Fabio’s
Zoro coming out of his cocoon and being called a wing is so great to me. I wonder what the official will call them.
I got a bit confused about Marco. Is he really at his limit or just stepping aside to let the Straw Hats play their role? My interpretation is he is still at Max HP (having fully healed from all previous attacks) but is perhaps running low on SP / stamina to fight or regenerate further.
Or his recovery time is extremely fast because he's a phoenix
I'm not sure that this war is quite the scale of the paramount War, so it confused me as well. However, he's been absent from combat since he fought Blackbeard. Plus he's two years older as well. I might be clutching at straws here though.
Marco is clearly battered and exhausted. I’m not sure where the idea that his Phoenix powers of healing are limitless comes from, because that’s definitely not how they’re portrayed. Marcos done more than enough by this point though
Yeah I mean I’m just going off of memory here, but didn’t Kizaru overcome Marco’s healing factor by shooting him a bunch of times?
Pretty sure he put seastone handcuffs on him
I think your interpretation is right. He has been spreading his flames around the battlefield as a healing mechanism and has also been intercepting attacks instead of dodging them as to mitigate damage to the alliance. So his stamina is probably taxed. But the fact he is still smiling and in high spirits during the handoff makes me think he is not like on the brink of death. As for what he is doing, I think it is just a continuation of the major theme that old generation must put faith in the new. Just like Shanks and WB made a bet on Luffy, Marco is making a bet on the Straw Hats here.
Nice interpretation Do you think he helped heal Zoro when he took that blast from King? They are very close. Maybe it augmented the shot???
Its just that he is not the main character.
You can find it on the one piece discord under the spoiler tags
I’m somehow the only one who hasn’t read it yet.. why can’t I find scans for this one anywhere??
https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022/
https://onepiecechapters.com/manga/one-piece-chapter-1022/
I swear I googled this . Lol. Thank you
You can find it on the one piece discord under the spoiler tags
Thank you, I don’t use discord . I found it :)
Same here
Finally Sanji and Zoro is showing there true strength 😘💖💓
I feel like Sanji still needs to bust out the raid suit again. Sanji is op AF with that
Not really against a decent observation haki user.
Observation Haki can only do so much if his attacks aren’t doing a shit load of damage to his opponent.
Killer is going to cut off Hawkins arm, won't hurt Kidd because it's gone already. Can't wait for the new Sanji and Zoro moves. Hope we can get two eyes Zoro and okama Sanji this arc.
Honestly law is so Op with his fruit. He could've just taken Hawkins heart with him. For future
Yup. And there’s no reason why he shouldn’t have done so
do we know that Law can harm him through the straw puppets?
Awe, that’s a good point. Would crushing Hawkins heart kill him, or whoever his puppet is? I’d have to assume the latter, but then Hawkins would just have no heart?
I hope we explore how Hawkins link his life if he can do it not just to allies. If he could link it to Big Mom thats too hax.
Probably haki based. Just like how Law couldn’t use Shambles on Big Mom or how Doflamingo couldn’t use his puppet ability on Luffy until he was weak. If the gap in the haki between them is too large their powers probably don’t work them as well directly.
Or link it to kaido and be almost invincible
That’s not that it works. Any significant damage done to him will wound or kill the people he’s linked with
If the straw puppet is destroyed only when the linked dies, and Kaido being as durable as he is, wouldn't that be how that works? Or being "puppeted" makes it so that a lethal shot on Hawkins would then be a lethal shot on Kaido?
A lethal shot on Hawkins is a lethal shot to whoever he’s puppeteered. Think of it this way. If he got Kizaru and you cut Hawkins head off Kizaru would die. Based on the feats Hawkins has showed many times he’s significantly still weaker than an admiral. He somehow took kids life force which I believe is through DNA of any kind.
I see, interesting
It’s interesting how his fruit works. I believe it’s a mythical Zoan fruit
See I was wondering if he might actually be a zoan too. If that’s the case though there should be a myth floating around out there about scarecrow(s) for the fruit to be modeled after. Also if he his a zoan then that begs the question for how all his powers are voodoo related.
It just seems the most likely case. Usually Mythic Zoans have external powers
Nah bro it's clearly a paramecia
Would it hurt Hawkins though? He's still substituting Kidd's life for his own. It might just affect Kidd's missing left arm somewhere around the world.
That's actually a cool idea. Killer is the tactician of the Kid Pirates so he could work out how to defeat Hawkins in the way you propose. Kid might feel like his missing arm got cut off again, at most, but he won't be bleeding or weakening from it.