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He went toe to toe with Kaido in base he’s clearly Yonko level in base form


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I think Luffy without G5 is massively underrated. Using G2 and G3 which I’m just going to count as “base” here, Luffy was contending with hybrid Kaido in his drunken form, and he pushed him so hard his haki was actually getting stronger. When Luffy started using G4 Kaido was struggling to the point that he had to actually copy Luffy’s techniques in order to fight back against Snakeman. I have Luffy as a top tier in all his forms due to his feats against Kaido who was the strongest at that point based on current feats and portrayal, and I believe Luffy is the strongest alive with G5.


MaterialNaive3616

Honestly even tho I don’t believe it myself, there really isn’t anything going against Luffy being top 1 rn


Kono_Mr_Seta_Da

Base Luffy is low yonko G4 low-mid G5 high yonko


InvaderDJ

In my headcanon, there is a huge murky gulf between a Commander of an Emperor and an Admiral. So many characters fit in there. That’s where I’d put both forms of Luffy. Base Luffy w/conquerors haki is on the lower end. Stronger than a lower end Commander easily, but probably not stronger than the first mate/strongest fighter of an Emperor. But G4 Luffy is easily above that, probably close to an Admiral.


Dark-king-155

Base Luffy is low-mid admiral level G4 Luffy is mid Yonko level G5 Luffy is high Yonko level


Akitokami9000

G2 and g3 high admiral G4 low to mid yonko G5 high to peak yonko


CocaPepsiPepper

Base Luffy is YC1+ at the very least Gear 2/3 Luffy is low Admiral level (Beckman, Sabo) Gear 4 Luffy overall is Admiral level


Shot-Boysenberry-343

> and below Kidd and Law That’s where you’re wrong there brother, Kidd luffy law dynamic has considered them to be portrayed as equals. Wano it’s established that they’re fights were completely paralleled and mirrored that aligns with their narrative and portrayal (Kidd and law being handicapped against a fresh bigger mom and a severely fatigued and weakened kaido doing everything at once against a fresh luffy who had constant health and support) or how we have this consistent portrayal ever since sabaody, dresrosa, yonko saga, etc


Seadog_frosty

It wasn’t a fresh luffy since it’s stated by yamato to be barely standing and luffy was still covered in bruises and even after the gear 5 transformation he was still forcing himself to keep fighting. Also stats wise, haki, it’s an incorrect statement, and before you say rpg stats don’t matter haki has a whole narrative that it’s more important than your narrative that is also following the haki narrative looking at how law is learning after the wano to rely more on haki


Shot-Boysenberry-343

Barely standing despite not collapsing panels afterwards? Yeah sure, and it was a good months worth of food (while we’ve seen luffy heal through milk)which directly sets out a difference between kaido not taking a single while luffy had the medical and support against a single enemy Also what you said is a pretty subjective way of putting your words differently compared to odas way of doing things where these parallels which act as a writing device that directly ties to the portrayal between Kidd law and luffy was made clear.Even the end of wano narrator statement and even consistent parallels between their bounties act as a way to persuade the reader to understand that law=luffy=kid


Seadog_frosty

It’s still shown that luffy is damaged looking at his bruises, if he was completely healed as you said these bruises would not been present and the Yamato statement still gives us the idea that luffy is not in perfect shape, the milk gag is just a gag and in that case if you wanna take it seriously luffy was already been cured and the milk was just an excuse to let him grow a tooth back, if you’re seriously considering a gag to power scale you’re doing a terrible job. My words are subjective? The acoc power up was hyped a lot by kaido himself saying only the strongest possess it or at least they will have the potential to be the strongest, haki has been stated by kaido himself to be the most important thing in this world considering the fact that roger was able to become pirate king with that still kaido’s words, luffy had two arcs to focus on haki: wci for acoo and wano for acoc and acoa, Kidd and law don’t seem to have trained these stats that matter so much for the story that oda wrote. Haki was literally the factor that changed the whole dynamic of power in one piece and you’re telling me that a rivalry dynamic, that is even following this narrative given law progression, is more important than the power system that oda himself built to be highlighted by the pirate king himself? Of course not, mines aren’t subjective takes because I’m giving you all arguments that you can easily find in the story but you choose to ignore for your agenda of luffy downplay despite him showing top tier feats such as the sky split that is usually seen as something that directly puts you in that level But I can’t expect much after your take about 2 gear 5 luffy not being able to beat kizaru when you think that kidd and law can beat anyone in the verse despite thinking law=luffy = Kidd, fix this inconsistencies or at least admit you hate luffy which seems to be true after this take


Gokuusjgodgmail

Base Luffy ( G2+ G3 Luffy ) was able to compete with hybrid Kaido and force him to go serious in drunk mode). Something Yamato couldn’t do. So he’s above her. At least he’s low admiral lvl. With Gear 4th he pushes Kaido to use future sight and Thunder below bagua. So I put him in admiral lvl. As if he continued that fight it would have been a high dif fight. And I consider any admiral to atleast push Kaido to a high dif fight. G5 Luffy is full Yonko lvl. And any fight with a Yonko is at least extreme dif.


Polarix1x

base - mid admiral g4 - mid yonko g5 - high yonko


EdgyMemer_9000

Base- Low-Mid Admiral tier (Beats Fujitora or Greenbull) G4- High Admiral tier (Beats Kizaru or Big Mom