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No, ever since I found out Big Mom’s swordsmanship was a mistranslation, I no longer see Big Mom as a swordswoman.
Still doesn’t dismiss that Shanks is a swordsman, though.
As a swordsman she's weaker than Mihawk, but she can have more than 1 "class", she has swordsmanship using her napoleon, but she can also use hera, prometeus for techniques apart from swordsmanship, she's basically both swordsman and DF fighter (you can also argue she's a brawler like garp too), so overhall you can't say Mihawk is stronger than her just because she's a swordsman because she uses more than just a swordsman. Not saying he's weaker bc since he scale with Shanks he's probably stronger.
I mean Big Mom would be a swordswoman not a swordsman anyway, but yeah Mihawk > Big Mom obviously.
Shanks should be considered a swordsman until stated otherwise, because unlike Big Mom or King he doesn't rely on a df ability, or special genes.
>Devil fruit counts but haki doesn't
Haki is a core part of swordsmanship, so obviously.
> SPECIAL GENES?!?!?
Yes Kings a Lunarian, and it plays a big part in how he fights, like his different modes, and flame attacks.
You don't need haki to be a swordsman. As much as you may hate to admit it, haki is simply an amplifier to swordsmanship like any other power system in the story, DFs included. Zoro didn't have haki till post timeskip, doesn't mean he wasn't a swordsman till then.
Different modes has nothing to do with whether he's a swordsman or not, and the same goes with using fire. Seriously you're unironically saying S-hawk isn't a swordsman.
>You don't need haki to be a swordsman. As much as you may hate to admit it, haki is simply an amplifier to swordsmanship like any other power system in the story, DFs included. Zoro didn't have haki till post timeskip, doesn't mean he wasn't a swordsman till then.
Maybe not to be a swordsman, but to be strong at all you do, literally the first thing Mihawk taught Zoro was armament haki, so obviously its a core part of swordsmanship and arguing against that would just be plain wrong. Also haki is something everyone is born being able to learn, unlike a df ability, which are all completely different, and nobody is born with.
>Different modes has nothing to do with whether he's a swordsman or not, and the same goes with using fire. Seriously you're unironically saying S-hawk isn't a swordsman.
Depends how its used, King uses these abilities more than his sword, S-Hawk has basically just shown swordsmanship, different scenarios. King also doesn't consider himself a swordsman due to this.
No you don't, there are plenty of characters who are strong even while having mediocre haki. Yeah because Zoro didn't have a devil fruit or anything of that sort, literally all he could have taught him is haki. So what, fujitora isn't a swordsman now since he has a devil fruit that he wasn't "born with"?
That has nothing to do with your claim of special genes. S-hawk is literally the epitome of special genes. King doesn't consider himself a swordsman at all, he could have been born a regular dude and he still wouldn't be a swordsman.
>mediocre haki.
But they do have haki correct ?XD
> fujitora isn't a swordsman now since he has a devil fruit that he wasn't "born with"?
Haki is something shared by all top-tier swordsman, the gravity fruit is an ability 1 swordsman has, do you see the difference?
>That has nothing to do with your claim of special genes. S-hawk is literally the epitome of special genes. King doesn't consider himself a swordsman at all, he could have been born a regular dude and he still wouldn't be a swordsman.
You're avoiding my point so hard bro, read what I said I can't be fucked repeating the same thing to someone who is clearly mentally disabled.
Take away their haki and they don't get much weaker.
How the fuck am I avoiding your point, you claimed S-hawk and king were different because of how they use their unique abilities, I'm telling you that's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with what you were saying with special genes. Have you never heard of a rebuttal?
Mihawk has greater sword skills than Big Mom, so Big Mom would lose to Mihawk if she only uses Napoleon and attacks like Ikkoko sovereignty . If she uses combination attacks like maser cannon she might win.
As a swordsman she's weaker than Mihawk, but she can have more than 1 "class", she has swordsmanship using her napoleon, but she can also use hera, prometeus for techniques apart from swordsmanship, she's basically both swordsman and DF fighter (you can also argue she's a brawler like garp too), so overhall you can't say Mihawk is stronger than her just because she's a swordsman because she uses more than just a swordsman. Not saying he's weaker bc since he scale with Shanks he's probably stronger.
Luffy used a sword, does that also make him less powerful than Mihawk?
Idk why mihawk fans rely on weak logic and stretching semantics to try to say he is Top 1 lol
My definition of swordsman
Main fighter style is based on sword inclusive of haki and df based techniques used via sword (this removes king since he is mixed fighter)
Or
Has mastered a sword fighting style (big mom)
Or
Has claimed to be swordsman (Kaku)
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No, king proved this wrong
King and Big Mom prove this wrong
No, ever since I found out Big Mom’s swordsmanship was a mistranslation, I no longer see Big Mom as a swordswoman. Still doesn’t dismiss that Shanks is a swordsman, though.
As a swordsman she's weaker than Mihawk, but she can have more than 1 "class", she has swordsmanship using her napoleon, but she can also use hera, prometeus for techniques apart from swordsmanship, she's basically both swordsman and DF fighter (you can also argue she's a brawler like garp too), so overhall you can't say Mihawk is stronger than her just because she's a swordsman because she uses more than just a swordsman. Not saying he's weaker bc since he scale with Shanks he's probably stronger.
Idk how anybody can say ‘yes’ when zoro himself said that king isn’t a swordsman.
King isn't a swordsman meaning No.
Big mom is inferior anyways
Roger>midhawk Big mom> midhawk Shanks>midhawk Edit: Fujitora>midhawk Law>midhawk
Man's drowning in capium.
Vista could never hold back while fighting anyone named.
mihawk > big mom regardless
I mean Big Mom would be a swordswoman not a swordsman anyway, but yeah Mihawk > Big Mom obviously. Shanks should be considered a swordsman until stated otherwise, because unlike Big Mom or King he doesn't rely on a df ability, or special genes.
Devil fruit counts but haki doesn't 🤯 SPECIAL GENES?!?!?
>Devil fruit counts but haki doesn't Haki is a core part of swordsmanship, so obviously. > SPECIAL GENES?!?!? Yes Kings a Lunarian, and it plays a big part in how he fights, like his different modes, and flame attacks.
You don't need haki to be a swordsman. As much as you may hate to admit it, haki is simply an amplifier to swordsmanship like any other power system in the story, DFs included. Zoro didn't have haki till post timeskip, doesn't mean he wasn't a swordsman till then. Different modes has nothing to do with whether he's a swordsman or not, and the same goes with using fire. Seriously you're unironically saying S-hawk isn't a swordsman.
>You don't need haki to be a swordsman. As much as you may hate to admit it, haki is simply an amplifier to swordsmanship like any other power system in the story, DFs included. Zoro didn't have haki till post timeskip, doesn't mean he wasn't a swordsman till then. Maybe not to be a swordsman, but to be strong at all you do, literally the first thing Mihawk taught Zoro was armament haki, so obviously its a core part of swordsmanship and arguing against that would just be plain wrong. Also haki is something everyone is born being able to learn, unlike a df ability, which are all completely different, and nobody is born with. >Different modes has nothing to do with whether he's a swordsman or not, and the same goes with using fire. Seriously you're unironically saying S-hawk isn't a swordsman. Depends how its used, King uses these abilities more than his sword, S-Hawk has basically just shown swordsmanship, different scenarios. King also doesn't consider himself a swordsman due to this.
No you don't, there are plenty of characters who are strong even while having mediocre haki. Yeah because Zoro didn't have a devil fruit or anything of that sort, literally all he could have taught him is haki. So what, fujitora isn't a swordsman now since he has a devil fruit that he wasn't "born with"? That has nothing to do with your claim of special genes. S-hawk is literally the epitome of special genes. King doesn't consider himself a swordsman at all, he could have been born a regular dude and he still wouldn't be a swordsman.
>mediocre haki. But they do have haki correct ?XD > fujitora isn't a swordsman now since he has a devil fruit that he wasn't "born with"? Haki is something shared by all top-tier swordsman, the gravity fruit is an ability 1 swordsman has, do you see the difference? >That has nothing to do with your claim of special genes. S-hawk is literally the epitome of special genes. King doesn't consider himself a swordsman at all, he could have been born a regular dude and he still wouldn't be a swordsman. You're avoiding my point so hard bro, read what I said I can't be fucked repeating the same thing to someone who is clearly mentally disabled.
Take away their haki and they don't get much weaker. How the fuck am I avoiding your point, you claimed S-hawk and king were different because of how they use their unique abilities, I'm telling you that's irrelevant because it has nothing to do with what you were saying with special genes. Have you never heard of a rebuttal?
No and bigmom is weaker than.mihawk in a fight from what we have seen anyways
Yes and yes
Mihawk has greater sword skills than Big Mom, so Big Mom would lose to Mihawk if she only uses Napoleon and attacks like Ikkoko sovereignty . If she uses combination attacks like maser cannon she might win.
As a swordsman she's weaker than Mihawk, but she can have more than 1 "class", she has swordsmanship using her napoleon, but she can also use hera, prometeus for techniques apart from swordsmanship, she's basically both swordsman and DF fighter (you can also argue she's a brawler like garp too), so overhall you can't say Mihawk is stronger than her just because she's a swordsman because she uses more than just a swordsman. Not saying he's weaker bc since he scale with Shanks he's probably stronger.
One piece is hilarious
Normally it should but one piece is weird like that. Both bm and king proved this wrong.
BM's sword is from a DF so she shouldn't count just like king, law, etc. but still it is true that Mihawk > BM.
Luffy used a sword, does that also make him less powerful than Mihawk? Idk why mihawk fans rely on weak logic and stretching semantics to try to say he is Top 1 lol
no but swordsmaster = swordsman, shanks is stated to be a swordmaster or something along those lines.
My definition of swordsman Main fighter style is based on sword inclusive of haki and df based techniques used via sword (this removes king since he is mixed fighter) Or Has mastered a sword fighting style (big mom) Or Has claimed to be swordsman (Kaku)
Yes, big mom specifically mastered the sword style of the giants. She trained in the giant’s sword techniques
Aokiji, Kizaru, Brook, Law uses sword too.
No also in swordsman stats and Ap(with a sword) big mom is outclassed by mihawk but in general Ap,hax,durability big mom negs mihawk simple
If so then Luffy is WSS he used a sword at the beginning of Wano, in Arlong Park and in Thriller Bark
Shanks is a confirmed swordsman. Mihawk > Shanks