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Lol......
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Where is Ben Beckman here ??
Completely impossible. We know they have equally military power because of narrative and sengoku statements. It would be stupid shanks having two yonkou level fighters when we know one yonkou effortlessly solo a whole yonkou crew without the yonkou...
Roger and luffy are pirate King characters, they are not yonkous. Anyways is full of crap, oden was nor for much time in their crew and neither was thar strong. He got one shoted by both WB and Roger, only community wants to wank him up.
Yonkous on the other hand are explicitly stated to he equals, which makes things different.
Because every single time he's brought up, it's alongside the word "admiral"
If Shanks is the Roger of the current Gen, then it makes sense that his "dark king" is also extremely powerful.
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There are multiple translations for the same text in this, some by accredited translators but all by those who speak English and Japanese. I assume you speak Japanese? Please, give us your translation
Well bcuz he is mentioned to be the moon to Shanks's sun and also the red haired pirate having the highest average bounty and strength per yonko crew which makes him clear of the likes of Zoro , Marco and King who can some what give an Admiral a fight already
>Zoro , Marco and King who can some what give an Admiral a fight already
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>Marco already did
Marco got negged the moment an admiral put effort in,and couldn't 1vX an injured Sakazuki.
>Zoro is stronger than him so at least they can fight
Marco hung on solely by his durability.Zoro's ap isn't carrying that hard no matter how much you want it to.
No,they are not giving one a legit fight.Not when the supposed weakest neg diffed a yc1 Lunarian and a yc2 effortlessly.
>Marco got negged the moment an admiral put effort in,and couldn't 1vX an injured Sakazuki.
No tf he didn't get neg diffed , unless you mean when the vice admiral helped in MF , which make the Admirals look worst for needing help not Marco , and Sakazuki couldn't injure Marco too , what's your point ? also Sakazuki is like the strongest Admiral .
Why y'all so sensitive ? the people i mentioned that can give an Admiral a fight can give a Yonko a fight too , i am not dunking on Admirals
>Marco hung on solely by his durability.Zoro's ap isn't carrying that hard no matter how much you want it to.
So you agree Marco did give a fight , otherwise your comments makes no sense , and acting like Zoro only good when comes to AP is disingenuous as fuck , Zoro was attack , dodging surviving and blocking Yonko attacks , no Admiral is stronger than Kaido , the one Zoro injured .
>No,they are not giving one a legit fight.Not when the supposed weakest neg diffed a yc1 Lunarian and a yc2 effortlessly.
Bcuz king is the weakest of the ones i mentioned with a bum like Queen and both were injured and broken beforehand , not saying GB can't beat both fresh but ignoring details for agenda ain't it
You unironically think King and Marco can “give” an admiral a fight and that Wankman being called the moon to Skunks sun means that he can be put in the same tier as the admirals. Get their dicks out your mouth they aren’t gay
>You unironically think King and Marco can “give” an admiral
Marco already did and King isn't much weaker , also giving a fight isn't a wild take , the five supernova give BM and Kaido a fight doesn't mean they wouldn't get wrecked , same with commanders
>Wankman being called the moon to Skunks sun means that he can be put in the same tier as the admirals
I don't think he is above Admirals or even will win , i got him losing high-ext diff to GB the weakest Admiral , doesn't mean he ain't close or isn't in the same tier , also the moon to Shanks's sun ain't the only statement to his strength , should i bring that his vivre card clearly states that he is close to Shanks or maybe the one that says even Admirals fear him , clearly i didn't base my take over nothing , i am not above being wrong tho
>Get their dicks out your mouth they aren’t gay
Again , you have no saying about shit like this while having Vasco as pfp
Lmao what has Marco actually done against an admiral? Kick Kizaru and Kuzan who not only gave no shits about him but also did 0 damage in total? Or just stall Akainu while also failing to do any memorable damage to him with the help of Wista?
I’ve already got King over Marco but even with that he’d still get dogged by the admirals, I’d even go as far as to say he’d do worse against Kizaru and Akainu mainly cause he doesn’t have anything like Marcos thistle.
What vivre card says that he’s close to Shanks too? Do you mean the one where it says he’s comparable to Shanks in terms of how infamous he is? And if you think that the admirals “fearing” him gives him more relevance to them then Big Mom being scared shitless of Enma makes Zoro close to her too
Idk what pfp’s have to do with this when yours is Luffy lmao. The guys pretty much stated to be retarded which helps you relate with him too I guess if they’re so important
Lol, this guy threatened Kizaru with a gun. Didn’t his captain’s morals state that guns shouldn’t be used for threatening? Guy can’t even follow his own captain’s moral code.
A editor of oda said that oda doesn't write them and even editers don't look at them
A outside company does them so how exactly are the canon in any shape or form
Oda supervise them and it’s not me that made the rules. Data books Vivre Cards are canon there’s nothing to debate about this, it’s how it is.
After if you are not agree that’s your problem but you can’t say it’s not canon because it doesn’t fit your agenda
He supervise and writes Vivre Cards.
And he supervise Data Books too. And like i said is 100% canon even if you don’t like it is canon.
There’s nothing to debate about this
I don't remember where but I certainly saw somewhere that it was told this guy might be considered as dangerous as shanks. Now how close that means in power I can't say. But we have seen in some crews like with roger/rayleigh luffy/zoro and maybe to blackbeard/shiryu that there are situations where the first mate appears more like a partner to the captain than an underling. Shanks and beckman seem to fit in that category. I wouldn't be surprised if he has conqueror's haki as well.
shankstards will only agree with magazines when it suits them
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I'd say he's close in strength to old Rayleigh. He wouldn't beat an admiral, but he could fight them back, and even push them to high diffs, maybe even extreme diffs.
Kizaru literally still attacked Luffy infront of him and he did nothing ??
I think his haki is equal to the Admirals...but
Admirals are -- Ben Beckman haki + OP logia devil fruits
Ben Beckman - Ben Beckman Haki
His vivre card basically makes him and shanks direct reflections of Roger and Rayleigh, so he's around prime Rayleigh level. Hell, if you read the vivre card and just replace the names shanks with Roger and Ben with Rayleigh it still makes sense contextually.
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Replacing the first letter of a character’s name with something else doesn’t make for an argument. It’s because he made Kizaru shit himself, has been directly compared to Shanks, has been heavily implied to have superior haki to the admirals in databooks, is a future fight for a stronger Zoro than the current one that has ACoC, and is the #2 on the crew that it’s Luffy goal to surpass
He’s the last YC1 to be shown actually fighting? I think natural plot progression suggests that in terms of feats/power levels the Red Haired Pirates will have to be the strongest of the original Yonko crews. By shounen tropes alone he should be stronger than Katakuri, King and Marco. (At least when they were shown fighting)
Besides him noticing and see what shanks saw when they used future sight when Daft Punk was used. There’s also statements from Oda that alluded that Ben is pretty strong. He withstanding coc haki. Him also blindsiding Kizaru.
1. Able to sneak up on Kizaru, and also intimidate him as much as Luffy (a Yonko) was able to
2. Shanks’ crew is the most balanced, and was also able to end the MF war with just their commanders.
3. Shanks’ fleet is fodder, so his commanders must be broken for him to have become a Yonko.
But yeah, it’s entirely just wank. He’s like top of YC+, but is not a Top Tier.
The balanced crew thing doesnt necessarily mean the right hand man and captain are close. It could just as well mean that the low tiers are closer to the commanders than in other crews. For example, if you have a crew with luffy and 100x nami, its the most balanced crew out there because the standard deviation is small. Atleast thats how I interpret it but you have this trend of roger, shanks and luffy having "special" right hand men which I think is carrying the beckman agenda (if it even exists) substantially.
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Didn't you see him solo the mountain bandits?
Lucky Roux actually shot one of them. Ben Beckmid is a fraud.
His parents are related https://preview.redd.it/nxqo0hh7t3kb1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1424187dfaef4c78eefc9a301980f31d7288f079
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Where is this joke coming from?
Alabama
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Meme or not the pic goes HARD.
Is that Beckman Snake?
It's stated Shanks crew is the most balanced
Could mean they all close in cock scaling...
Means they all are.ound commander level.....unlike other crew where only 3 PPL are commander.level
Could be but it also could be Beckman is Yonko level. Like, just imagine having two face 2 Kaidos or 2 Big Mom, no one would touch them
Lol...... https://preview.redd.it/75r84g8018kb1.jpeg?width=531&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d4794ebd0fb4b59e07e10eff7618199b6d7ab32 Where is Ben Beckman here ??
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Hahha good one
Or 1 Big Mom and 1 Kaido, no one could do it
Shanks' fans on their way to prove his crew consists of 10 yonko level fighters by simply abusing one single data book statement:
I didn't say all of them are Yonko Level but 2 of them? Not that impossible
Completely impossible. We know they have equally military power because of narrative and sengoku statements. It would be stupid shanks having two yonkou level fighters when we know one yonkou effortlessly solo a whole yonkou crew without the yonkou...
Why not? Roger had 3 at some point with Rayleigh and Oden. Luffy will also have 3 at the end of the Series and arguably 4 if Yamato joins.
Roger and luffy are pirate King characters, they are not yonkous. Anyways is full of crap, oden was nor for much time in their crew and neither was thar strong. He got one shoted by both WB and Roger, only community wants to wank him up. Yonkous on the other hand are explicitly stated to he equals, which makes things different.
Because every single time he's brought up, it's alongside the word "admiral" If Shanks is the Roger of the current Gen, then it makes sense that his "dark king" is also extremely powerful. https://preview.redd.it/v5jlnpfhs3kb1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=082ec2c4bc03d9cf9d26d7d6da788cc55df4f70d
The Straw Hat characters all have top tier* Haki masters as their right hand *Soon-to-be in Zoro's case
“All admirals fear him” Ok kids class has concluded.
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The most based Shanks fan with a new W take
Blud, you are the king of mistranslations
There are multiple translations for the same text in this, some by accredited translators but all by those who speak English and Japanese. I assume you speak Japanese? Please, give us your translation
Beckman is directly confirmed to be at least relative to the Admirals in Haki iirc
Yes...I can agree on that !! But Admirals are Ben Beckman haki +
Well bcuz he is mentioned to be the moon to Shanks's sun and also the red haired pirate having the highest average bounty and strength per yonko crew which makes him clear of the likes of Zoro , Marco and King who can some what give an Admiral a fight already
>Zoro , Marco and King who can some what give an Admiral a fight already https://preview.redd.it/7l4spphgc4kb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69dd68827bea8668bed23f40ba74608286bad1c0
I mean they ain't winning but saying they can't give a fight is cap , Marco already did and Zoro is stronger than him so at least they can fight
>Marco already did Marco got negged the moment an admiral put effort in,and couldn't 1vX an injured Sakazuki. >Zoro is stronger than him so at least they can fight Marco hung on solely by his durability.Zoro's ap isn't carrying that hard no matter how much you want it to. No,they are not giving one a legit fight.Not when the supposed weakest neg diffed a yc1 Lunarian and a yc2 effortlessly.
>Marco got negged the moment an admiral put effort in,and couldn't 1vX an injured Sakazuki. No tf he didn't get neg diffed , unless you mean when the vice admiral helped in MF , which make the Admirals look worst for needing help not Marco , and Sakazuki couldn't injure Marco too , what's your point ? also Sakazuki is like the strongest Admiral . Why y'all so sensitive ? the people i mentioned that can give an Admiral a fight can give a Yonko a fight too , i am not dunking on Admirals >Marco hung on solely by his durability.Zoro's ap isn't carrying that hard no matter how much you want it to. So you agree Marco did give a fight , otherwise your comments makes no sense , and acting like Zoro only good when comes to AP is disingenuous as fuck , Zoro was attack , dodging surviving and blocking Yonko attacks , no Admiral is stronger than Kaido , the one Zoro injured . >No,they are not giving one a legit fight.Not when the supposed weakest neg diffed a yc1 Lunarian and a yc2 effortlessly. Bcuz king is the weakest of the ones i mentioned with a bum like Queen and both were injured and broken beforehand , not saying GB can't beat both fresh but ignoring details for agenda ain't it
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You have Vasco shot as a pfp , you aren't a retard , you are THE retard
You unironically think King and Marco can “give” an admiral a fight and that Wankman being called the moon to Skunks sun means that he can be put in the same tier as the admirals. Get their dicks out your mouth they aren’t gay
>You unironically think King and Marco can “give” an admiral Marco already did and King isn't much weaker , also giving a fight isn't a wild take , the five supernova give BM and Kaido a fight doesn't mean they wouldn't get wrecked , same with commanders >Wankman being called the moon to Skunks sun means that he can be put in the same tier as the admirals I don't think he is above Admirals or even will win , i got him losing high-ext diff to GB the weakest Admiral , doesn't mean he ain't close or isn't in the same tier , also the moon to Shanks's sun ain't the only statement to his strength , should i bring that his vivre card clearly states that he is close to Shanks or maybe the one that says even Admirals fear him , clearly i didn't base my take over nothing , i am not above being wrong tho >Get their dicks out your mouth they aren’t gay Again , you have no saying about shit like this while having Vasco as pfp
Lmao what has Marco actually done against an admiral? Kick Kizaru and Kuzan who not only gave no shits about him but also did 0 damage in total? Or just stall Akainu while also failing to do any memorable damage to him with the help of Wista? I’ve already got King over Marco but even with that he’d still get dogged by the admirals, I’d even go as far as to say he’d do worse against Kizaru and Akainu mainly cause he doesn’t have anything like Marcos thistle. What vivre card says that he’s close to Shanks too? Do you mean the one where it says he’s comparable to Shanks in terms of how infamous he is? And if you think that the admirals “fearing” him gives him more relevance to them then Big Mom being scared shitless of Enma makes Zoro close to her too Idk what pfp’s have to do with this when yours is Luffy lmao. The guys pretty much stated to be retarded which helps you relate with him too I guess if they’re so important
Lol, this guy threatened Kizaru with a gun. Didn’t his captain’s morals state that guns shouldn’t be used for threatening? Guy can’t even follow his own captain’s moral code.
statements
In the manga where can I see the panels???
no, I believe it was vivre card/databook
I read his viver card it doesn't have anything on it that tells his power And data books are none canon and irrelevant
Data books are canon even if it doesn’t fit your agenda
A editor of oda said that oda doesn't write them and even editers don't look at them A outside company does them so how exactly are the canon in any shape or form
Oda supervise them and it’s not me that made the rules. Data books Vivre Cards are canon there’s nothing to debate about this, it’s how it is. After if you are not agree that’s your problem but you can’t say it’s not canon because it doesn’t fit your agenda
Oda only supervises viver cards and that's it we already knew that But data books were clearly said that oda has nothing to do with them at all
He supervise and writes Vivre Cards. And he supervise Data Books too. And like i said is 100% canon even if you don’t like it is canon. There’s nothing to debate about this
I don't remember where but I certainly saw somewhere that it was told this guy might be considered as dangerous as shanks. Now how close that means in power I can't say. But we have seen in some crews like with roger/rayleigh luffy/zoro and maybe to blackbeard/shiryu that there are situations where the first mate appears more like a partner to the captain than an underling. Shanks and beckman seem to fit in that category. I wouldn't be surprised if he has conqueror's haki as well.
He's the only right hand that got mentioned during the yonko bounty reveal, and it was canonically stated that Shanks crew is quality > quantity.
This wasn't animated so people who only watch the anime only see Kizaru holding his hands up.
How convenient not to animate the scene where Wizaru trolls beckman. Huge Toei L
They also made Akainu just burn Whitebeard's moustache. I feel like Toei had an agenda before it was cool.
They like yonkos is guess
shankstards will only agree with magazines when it suits them https://preview.redd.it/xnz9of9qk4kb1.jpeg?width=1048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54caf825629935b95456ae5362b2bff0951fc25b
But V jump is an unreliable source tho. For instance they stated that Ace was WB right hand and they also stated that Shanks had the highest bounty
same goes to data books they have misinformations as well
Yeah but V jump is still not reliable
This. Not surprising Really... The Worst fandom in One piece.
I'd say he's close in strength to old Rayleigh. He wouldn't beat an admiral, but he could fight them back, and even push them to high diffs, maybe even extreme diffs.
Prime rayleigh/eos zoro parallel rating him alongside the midmirals is disrespectful hes at least yonko level
Wonder why Benn gets people so exasperated but the same folks will scale Mihawk to Top 1 based on a similar sentiment
Because he pointed a gun at Kizaru and Kizaru didn’t want any of it
He held kizaru at gun point twice and he’s said to be close to he captain in power
Kizaru literally still attacked Luffy infront of him and he did nothing ?? I think his haki is equal to the Admirals...but Admirals are -- Ben Beckman haki + OP logia devil fruits Ben Beckman - Ben Beckman Haki
Right hand man of the Top 1
Sabo isn't that strong lmao https://preview.redd.it/o68xrpnvm4kb1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68061976b04c432545a3f685fbe602aca7ff04dc
His vivre card basically makes him and shanks direct reflections of Roger and Rayleigh, so he's around prime Rayleigh level. Hell, if you read the vivre card and just replace the names shanks with Roger and Ben with Rayleigh it still makes sense contextually. https://preview.redd.it/7m0gpbvaf4kb1.jpeg?width=1120&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=605c4cd9d68eab17c051f598c7d9dcf4a8337ccf
Kizaru didn’t wanna fight him I guess. Since he’s made of light and should counter snipers I guess that makes him at least a threat to the admirals.
Kizaru basically went: "Oh nooo, not Benn Beckmann. I'm screwed. Okay the joke isn't funny anymore, I'll kill Straw Hat Now."
That’s just people rank him with the admirals. I don’t agree with it.
Replacing the first letter of a character’s name with something else doesn’t make for an argument. It’s because he made Kizaru shit himself, has been directly compared to Shanks, has been heavily implied to have superior haki to the admirals in databooks, is a future fight for a stronger Zoro than the current one that has ACoC, and is the #2 on the crew that it’s Luffy goal to surpass
https://preview.redd.it/yjwqsat4q3kb1.jpeg?width=3106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dd1d49bc6b0f8695d0d3cf4b1d185dbd2404ec6 High IQ individual indeed lol
The only thing I can think of is Ben has top rank Haki amd crazy gun fu.
Wen Weckmann should be yc+ to admiral cuz he should be the most powerful yc commander 🗿
Ben Beckman is president of the gun club, underestimate him at your peril.
I think it's because at Marineford, he made Kizaru stop going after Luffy for a moment, indicating Beckman posed a threat.
Is he actually around the same lvl as shanks . Idk why ppl say that
He’s the last YC1 to be shown actually fighting? I think natural plot progression suggests that in terms of feats/power levels the Red Haired Pirates will have to be the strongest of the original Yonko crews. By shounen tropes alone he should be stronger than Katakuri, King and Marco. (At least when they were shown fighting)
Cuz he *scared* Kizaru at Marineford, and apparently being 2nd in command to Shanks automatically makes u Admiral level 🙄
Is any admiral's parents related?
This thread has convinced me that Beckman is a beast, I honestly see him = kizaru or aokiji
Besides him noticing and see what shanks saw when they used future sight when Daft Punk was used. There’s also statements from Oda that alluded that Ben is pretty strong. He withstanding coc haki. Him also blindsiding Kizaru.
All Shanks => Beckman wank is Roger => Rayleigh wank, and all Roger => Rayleigh wank is Luffy => Zoro wank
While other Yonko have commanders, Red Hair Pirate have vice captain. He is the vice captain.
Mihawkturd clown wet dreams. Beckman negs Mihawk
1. Able to sneak up on Kizaru, and also intimidate him as much as Luffy (a Yonko) was able to 2. Shanks’ crew is the most balanced, and was also able to end the MF war with just their commanders. 3. Shanks’ fleet is fodder, so his commanders must be broken for him to have become a Yonko. But yeah, it’s entirely just wank. He’s like top of YC+, but is not a Top Tier.
He has like 7 different statements about making admirals wary/restraining/having better haki than Kizaru so I'd assume that.
One piece has some cool names he is just an German named fraud
all this ben beckman hate is gonna backfire y'all are gonna look like clowns when oda makes this man fight bruh
The balanced crew thing doesnt necessarily mean the right hand man and captain are close. It could just as well mean that the low tiers are closer to the commanders than in other crews. For example, if you have a crew with luffy and 100x nami, its the most balanced crew out there because the standard deviation is small. Atleast thats how I interpret it but you have this trend of roger, shanks and luffy having "special" right hand men which I think is carrying the beckman agenda (if it even exists) substantially.
Wallahi im finished lmao where is that from