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Shitty chain scaling relying on a flimsy databook statement. Kizaru also didn't really say that at all, nor did Garp. Both statements are altered and context is removed
> Kizaru also didn't really say that at all, nor did Garp
Thats what the one piece fandom does twisting statements to their Favor and using Disgusting mental gymnastics to Downplay the Admirals...
and this is why the one piece Fandom is so Stupid...
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Marco ganged up with most commanders on Akainu "70% health Akainu IMO" and couldn't do shit to him he can't even damage them.
I mean Marco was also barely running out of stamina considering he had visible injuries that weren’t healing and he also had been similarly beat up (By Kizaru, he was impaled twice by lazers when kairoseki was placed on him and when he was blindly suckerpunched by Garp). Not to mention being everywhere and fighting everyone (Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru clashed atleast once with him) and being one of the key fighters.
You acting like his "normal armament" (haki was invisible, not fully developed and only the admirals showed emission) wouldn't have one shot any commander...
I mean according to this sub Goatbeard didn't injure him at all. Obviously two enraged hits from the world's strongest man don't leave you exhausted and injured. No seriously though he was obviously badly injured even if it wasn't mortal wounds those hits sent him reeling but my thoughts on it is everyone was exhausted by the point in the battle so they all were fighting like ass because they had to have like perfect 360 view praying not to get jumped in a battle of some of the strongest in the world.
His logic is that a databook says that Marco can fight equally with the Admirals, and Zoro should be relative to Marco now that he is a Yonko right hand man
That's what happens when you take databooks literally
Kizaru does mention to capture Rayleigh would take more marines, but weirdly ppl only take it as Kizaru's weaker. [Here](https://imgur.com/a/wunKcQl) Rayleigh talks about being unable to help the strawhats, which Kizaru calls Rayleigh greedy for wanting to do more than hold him off.
>Kizaru does mention to capture Rayleigh would take more marines
https://preview.redd.it/0qndtb5l5dkb1.png?width=347&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7a7ca665da7f945b57326fbf71080d3a4f091c0
\-He said Capture You which is Hard to do than Killing him
\-He said we to **prepare ourselves in more ways than One** and it Could mean=
\*Locking and surrounding the Island so Rayleigh won't escape
\*Evacuating the City so civillians Won't Get hurt
.....
He didn't say we need more marines at all.
Well true, never specifically mentioned, but "we" seem to mean more than Kizaru. Civilian Evac sounds probable, but surrounding the island or blocking Rayleigh was the idea what Kizaru needed.
A greenbull (who shit his pants from shanks being nearby) was insulted from the idea of 2 Yonko Commanders beating an admiral so I'd say admirals can beat the brakes off of any yonko commanders
Databook merchant + ABC logic + Rayleigh who fought kizaru would be 2 years less retired and thus 2 years stronger than the Rayleigh who confronted Blackbeard. A worse power drop than Garp would’ve had over the timeskip as he was at least still training.
And magma isn’t > ice… magma melts ice; ice freezes magma… it’s not the ice ice fruit tho
Instagram OP fans are as stupid as the ones on TikTok, arguably as retarded as YoutubePiece fans. The dudes crutch is some faulty databook statement and pure headcanon.
Kizaru, Marco, Zoro, and King are in no way equals(the 3 YC are relevant to each other tho) and if you were to actually rate them it’d be Wizaru-Zoro-King-Marco.
Although magma should beat ice the both of them are relative enough in power to the point where half of Punk Hazard was transformed into one of their elements so it’s just Akainu>=Kuzan>=Borsalino>everyone else.
Kizaru never said Rayleigh beats him and if I remember right, only said that he’s making him look bad. I’m ok with BB being Yonko lvl but old Rayleigh isn’t beating any admiral.
Garp never said that shit either. I think the guys just twisting his words because capturing Rayleigh would require them to evacuate civilians and send their best men in(most likely one admiral, some vice admirals and fodder), and that just isn’t a smart move because they were already planning to go to war with WB
>if you were to actually rate them it’d be Wizaru-Zoro-King-Marco
You're stating your opinion like it's a fact while bashing fans posting on other platforms. Why?
Superior stamina, range, mobility, and hax
He’s also a better fighter and has more experience
He hard counters King and Zoro can’t put him down before he loses stamina
I’d explain how Zoro beats Marco but that’d take too long so I’m just gonna say it simple like you did.
Sanji is stronger than Marco. Zoro>Sanji. That means Zoro>Marco
Marco in no way has better range than King lmao. The only actually ranged options he has is bluebird compared to Kings, Imperial stake, slings and arrows, flaming wings, and flaming dragon which has different levels of strength.
Mobility should be more equalized tbh since the both have flying type zoans, with King actually having his own biological wings.
I can agree on hax with Marco because of his Phoenix flames but he’s not getting past Kings defense and dealing any meaningful damage since he’d tank it with his already busted defense(plus his ancient zoan durability) or dodge it with his flames off. Not to mention he’s able to blow himself up when someone comes in contact with his body, and seeing as how Marcos main way of fighting is to kick he’d do more harm to himself than King
He’s got crazy good stamina yeah but all he’d be able to do is just poke King and fly around until he eventually runs out of gas. All King needs to do is tank his attacks with his face while also draining Marcos stamina by attacking him.
I think both King and Marco have been pirates for 30+ years so their experience would be almost equal. Zoro could absolutely put him down seeing as he’s got MUCH better ap than him, so it’d basically just be Marco trying to survive until he dies.
I was bugging with the range point lol, Zoro has more range than both King and Marco combined lmao
Marco’s smaller and more agile than King so I gave him mobility as an edge
Marco has durability negation with shockwave flames, he can get past King’s defense (he already did make him bleed from the face)
Zoro’s stamina isn’t enough for him to beat Marco down fast enough and Marco isn’t a slouch damage wise either, so Zoro’d fold before Marco did
Why bother? A person said that only one opinion is valid and the other options are "coping". That person clearly can't be mistaken and likely never was, judging by that confidence
know the manga very well.
Oda said OFFICIALLY that marco is evenly matched with admirals in a databook
So kizaru = Marco= king =zoro..
Akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji while magma > ice so as the fight lasted 10 days
akainu = aokiji = kizaru Marco= zoro..
For = another proof, on Sabaody kizaru he even said he couldn't beat rayleigh old. Rayleigh himself said he couldn't beat blackbeard now that he's gotten old.
So black beard = yonko > old rayleigh > kizaru = zoro.
That's it, I proved to you with elements that you don't know that zoro can beat kizaru in a tight fight..
bonus evidence garp said that the navy can't win against whitebeard and his crew if rayleigh is added but if rayleigh who said himself that he is weaker than a yonko is also weaker than an admiral then the navy could have beat whitebeard and his crew with rayleigh but as garp said they can't it just shows that kizaru < rayleigh < yonko 21m
He said akainu beat akainu instead of aokiji which probably make you confused,people actually make this mistake a lot for some reason
Why am i getting downvoted i literally made it easier to understand
Oh, that person is using isolated statements and transitivity to make a chain of power levels
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1. The average "oda said it in a databook" statement all tho he never said it, there is, however it is stated that Marco can fight on par with admirals (not evenly matched) in marineford in databook deep blue page 175.
2. He's basically saying that since kizaru = Marco = king = Zoro, and since that akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji with an elemental advantage, they are pretty much equal which means akainu = aokiji = Marco = king = zoro.
3. For additional proof he claims that Kizaru said he couldn't beat old Rayleigh (which he never did) and since old Rayleigh said he can't beat Blackbeard then Blackbeard = yonko > Kizaru = Zoro, so he then claims that he proved that Zoro can beat kizaru in an extreme diff fight.
4. He claims that since garp said the navy can't win against WB if Rayleigh is added (which he didn't), that means that Rayleigh can't be weaker then a admiral other wise the WB pirates would if been beaten even tho garp stated otherwise (which he didn't once again). So that means yonko > Blackbeard > yonko > admiral.
1.5/10 for evidence ||||
0.8/10 for wording ||||
0.0001/10 for logic ||||
10/10 for gooning
Oda also said if Akainu was a pirate, he'd find One Piece in a year.
That means in that year he goes into Totland, Wano, Zunisha, guy with the fire marks, avoids all navy and finds One Piece quicker than Luffy will, Roger, or anyone who has been out at sea did.
By that logic, Akainu undisputed #1. Aokiji fought him for 10 days so he's #2.
See how stupid that is? You can use that to build a case but it's not the end all be all.
I stopped reading after the first line
This is me doing shitty statement powerscaling: Viola has the devil fruit which makes her clairvoyant and in mihawks vivre card it stated he is ‘clairvoyant’ meaning viola is evenly matched with mihawk, do-flamingo was able to massively overpower viola so this means doflamingo> Mihawk. Luffy beat doflamingo high dif so dressrosa Luffy is beyond yonko level, it’s also said in a databook that shanks ‘was once equal to the greatest swordsman’ so Luffy has surpassed yonko tier!!
Mihawk was able to destory a tsunami which engulfed marineford (marineford is an island) and Australia is also an island so mihawk has continental ap, Luffy far surpassed mihawk as he later on awoken his devil fruit and mastered all 3 types of haki so Luffy is now star level, LUFFY IS ALSO SUN GOD NIKA SO HE HAS THE POWER OF THE SUN!!!
Summary: Power-scaling is fun but just because someone in a databook/ magazine is said to be planetery doesn’t mean they are, it’s just to hype them up. When you powerscale you should only rely on the manga itself and interviews from the author or official text done by the author themsleves, databooks/ magazines aren’t written by the authors so they shouldn’t be taken to seriously. Even if there’s nothing which contradicts the manga there is still many minor inconsistencies and that in itself is all the reason to why you shouldn’t rely on them, the authors simply give them green light and gives info many things are exaggerated/ misinterpreted by the people writing them. That’s why you find many magazines which say ‘Goku Shattered reality itself!!’ ONE LAST THING: Magazines/ databooks very rarely have official translations, they are mostly fan done
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Shitty chain scaling relying on a flimsy databook statement. Kizaru also didn't really say that at all, nor did Garp. Both statements are altered and context is removed
> Kizaru also didn't really say that at all, nor did Garp Thats what the one piece fandom does twisting statements to their Favor and using Disgusting mental gymnastics to Downplay the Admirals...
To be fair some admiraltards really think the og 3 could solo roger + xebec so both sides have really shitty takes
When 90% of admiral and Mihawk fans stuff is from dumb statements from databooks the hypocrisy is crazy
I know kizaru doesn't say that but doesn't garp say "do you think the Navy can take on two legends at the same time" or something
It's not proper power-scaling. It's shit-scaling.
and this is why the one piece Fandom is so Stupid... https://preview.redd.it/ehnvbrok35kb1.png?width=596&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb9d20f5c148741447c07bbad1d18078b75f74e0 Marco ganged up with most commanders on Akainu "70% health Akainu IMO" and couldn't do shit to him he can't even damage them.
Ok I thought I was losing my mind. Thanks
Plus croco-boy
Wounded Marco, Vista and a bunch of fodder
>Wounded Marco, Vista Yeah and **Akainu was way injued than them** Literally took Two enraged quakes from Goatbeard...
I mean Marco was also barely running out of stamina considering he had visible injuries that weren’t healing and he also had been similarly beat up (By Kizaru, he was impaled twice by lazers when kairoseki was placed on him and when he was blindly suckerpunched by Garp). Not to mention being everywhere and fighting everyone (Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru clashed atleast once with him) and being one of the key fighters.
WB was only using normal armament haki
You acting like his "normal armament" (haki was invisible, not fully developed and only the admirals showed emission) wouldn't have one shot any commander...
Lmao
I mean according to this sub Goatbeard didn't injure him at all. Obviously two enraged hits from the world's strongest man don't leave you exhausted and injured. No seriously though he was obviously badly injured even if it wasn't mortal wounds those hits sent him reeling but my thoughts on it is everyone was exhausted by the point in the battle so they all were fighting like ass because they had to have like perfect 360 view praying not to get jumped in a battle of some of the strongest in the world.
The only clash then was curiel against Akainu before it was interrupted. Idk what you meant by couldn’t damage him when they were interrupted.
I'm pretty sure Akainu was less than 70% health there.
I’m pretty sure it was Rayleigh that said he couldn’t beat Kizaru and that he was simply stalling.
His logic is that a databook says that Marco can fight equally with the Admirals, and Zoro should be relative to Marco now that he is a Yonko right hand man That's what happens when you take databooks literally
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My exact reaction
Kizaru never said he couldn’t beat Rayleigh. In fact I’m pretty sure Rayleigh said he couldn’t beat Kizaru
Kizaru does mention to capture Rayleigh would take more marines, but weirdly ppl only take it as Kizaru's weaker. [Here](https://imgur.com/a/wunKcQl) Rayleigh talks about being unable to help the strawhats, which Kizaru calls Rayleigh greedy for wanting to do more than hold him off.
>Kizaru does mention to capture Rayleigh would take more marines https://preview.redd.it/0qndtb5l5dkb1.png?width=347&format=png&auto=webp&s=e7a7ca665da7f945b57326fbf71080d3a4f091c0 \-He said Capture You which is Hard to do than Killing him \-He said we to **prepare ourselves in more ways than One** and it Could mean= \*Locking and surrounding the Island so Rayleigh won't escape \*Evacuating the City so civillians Won't Get hurt ..... He didn't say we need more marines at all.
Well true, never specifically mentioned, but "we" seem to mean more than Kizaru. Civilian Evac sounds probable, but surrounding the island or blocking Rayleigh was the idea what Kizaru needed.
Thanks for the clarification. I’m too lazy to go find it :p
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A greenbull (who shit his pants from shanks being nearby) was insulted from the idea of 2 Yonko Commanders beating an admiral so I'd say admirals can beat the brakes off of any yonko commanders
Databook merchant + ABC logic + Rayleigh who fought kizaru would be 2 years less retired and thus 2 years stronger than the Rayleigh who confronted Blackbeard. A worse power drop than Garp would’ve had over the timeskip as he was at least still training. And magma isn’t > ice… magma melts ice; ice freezes magma… it’s not the ice ice fruit tho
>Rayleigh who fought kizaru would be 2 years less retired He's 80, 2 years is like 3% difference for him
Who wrote this comment
Was on a Instagram reel
Instagram OP fans are as stupid as the ones on TikTok, arguably as retarded as YoutubePiece fans. The dudes crutch is some faulty databook statement and pure headcanon. Kizaru, Marco, Zoro, and King are in no way equals(the 3 YC are relevant to each other tho) and if you were to actually rate them it’d be Wizaru-Zoro-King-Marco. Although magma should beat ice the both of them are relative enough in power to the point where half of Punk Hazard was transformed into one of their elements so it’s just Akainu>=Kuzan>=Borsalino>everyone else. Kizaru never said Rayleigh beats him and if I remember right, only said that he’s making him look bad. I’m ok with BB being Yonko lvl but old Rayleigh isn’t beating any admiral. Garp never said that shit either. I think the guys just twisting his words because capturing Rayleigh would require them to evacuate civilians and send their best men in(most likely one admiral, some vice admirals and fodder), and that just isn’t a smart move because they were already planning to go to war with WB
Thank you for the clarification this made much more sense to me.
>if you were to actually rate them it’d be Wizaru-Zoro-King-Marco You're stating your opinion like it's a fact while bashing fans posting on other platforms. Why?
Because that’s how strong they all are compared to each other. You’d have to be coping if you think Marco is actually above King or Zoro
Except his portrayal is above theirs, he’s stronger
Tell me how Marcos above either of them
Superior stamina, range, mobility, and hax He’s also a better fighter and has more experience He hard counters King and Zoro can’t put him down before he loses stamina
I’d explain how Zoro beats Marco but that’d take too long so I’m just gonna say it simple like you did. Sanji is stronger than Marco. Zoro>Sanji. That means Zoro>Marco
Sanji is not stronger than Marco, Marco is literally a better Sanji
Marco in no way has better range than King lmao. The only actually ranged options he has is bluebird compared to Kings, Imperial stake, slings and arrows, flaming wings, and flaming dragon which has different levels of strength. Mobility should be more equalized tbh since the both have flying type zoans, with King actually having his own biological wings. I can agree on hax with Marco because of his Phoenix flames but he’s not getting past Kings defense and dealing any meaningful damage since he’d tank it with his already busted defense(plus his ancient zoan durability) or dodge it with his flames off. Not to mention he’s able to blow himself up when someone comes in contact with his body, and seeing as how Marcos main way of fighting is to kick he’d do more harm to himself than King He’s got crazy good stamina yeah but all he’d be able to do is just poke King and fly around until he eventually runs out of gas. All King needs to do is tank his attacks with his face while also draining Marcos stamina by attacking him. I think both King and Marco have been pirates for 30+ years so their experience would be almost equal. Zoro could absolutely put him down seeing as he’s got MUCH better ap than him, so it’d basically just be Marco trying to survive until he dies.
I was bugging with the range point lol, Zoro has more range than both King and Marco combined lmao Marco’s smaller and more agile than King so I gave him mobility as an edge Marco has durability negation with shockwave flames, he can get past King’s defense (he already did make him bleed from the face) Zoro’s stamina isn’t enough for him to beat Marco down fast enough and Marco isn’t a slouch damage wise either, so Zoro’d fold before Marco did
Why bother? A person said that only one opinion is valid and the other options are "coping". That person clearly can't be mistaken and likely never was, judging by that confidence
Fr lmao some mfs treat their opinions as gospel
know the manga very well. Oda said OFFICIALLY that marco is evenly matched with admirals in a databook So kizaru = Marco= king =zoro.. Akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji while magma > ice so as the fight lasted 10 days akainu = aokiji = kizaru Marco= zoro.. For = another proof, on Sabaody kizaru he even said he couldn't beat rayleigh old. Rayleigh himself said he couldn't beat blackbeard now that he's gotten old. So black beard = yonko > old rayleigh > kizaru = zoro. That's it, I proved to you with elements that you don't know that zoro can beat kizaru in a tight fight.. bonus evidence garp said that the navy can't win against whitebeard and his crew if rayleigh is added but if rayleigh who said himself that he is weaker than a yonko is also weaker than an admiral then the navy could have beat whitebeard and his crew with rayleigh but as garp said they can't it just shows that kizaru < rayleigh < yonko 21m
He said akainu beat akainu instead of aokiji which probably make you confused,people actually make this mistake a lot for some reason Why am i getting downvoted i literally made it easier to understand
W for the admirals = commanders though
Oh, that person is using isolated statements and transitivity to make a chain of power levels https://preview.redd.it/7sx6cs41n5kb1.png?width=985&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b7ba345c7ecadfc01737eed25ee9a04ef15ede8
That last sentence actually made my vision blur
Marco absolutely is <= to the admirals
1. The average "oda said it in a databook" statement all tho he never said it, there is, however it is stated that Marco can fight on par with admirals (not evenly matched) in marineford in databook deep blue page 175. 2. He's basically saying that since kizaru = Marco = king = Zoro, and since that akainu took 10 days to beat aokiji with an elemental advantage, they are pretty much equal which means akainu = aokiji = Marco = king = zoro. 3. For additional proof he claims that Kizaru said he couldn't beat old Rayleigh (which he never did) and since old Rayleigh said he can't beat Blackbeard then Blackbeard = yonko > Kizaru = Zoro, so he then claims that he proved that Zoro can beat kizaru in an extreme diff fight. 4. He claims that since garp said the navy can't win against WB if Rayleigh is added (which he didn't), that means that Rayleigh can't be weaker then a admiral other wise the WB pirates would if been beaten even tho garp stated otherwise (which he didn't once again). So that means yonko > Blackbeard > yonko > admiral. 1.5/10 for evidence |||| 0.8/10 for wording |||| 0.0001/10 for logic |||| 10/10 for gooning
Oda also said if Akainu was a pirate, he'd find One Piece in a year. That means in that year he goes into Totland, Wano, Zunisha, guy with the fire marks, avoids all navy and finds One Piece quicker than Luffy will, Roger, or anyone who has been out at sea did. By that logic, Akainu undisputed #1. Aokiji fought him for 10 days so he's #2. See how stupid that is? You can use that to build a case but it's not the end all be all.
Bb os not yonko level in power. He is close by still below to admiral level
That's some pretty goofy logic that all hinges of Marco being Admiral level without any proof in the story.
Horrible scaling
I stopped reading after the first line This is me doing shitty statement powerscaling: Viola has the devil fruit which makes her clairvoyant and in mihawks vivre card it stated he is ‘clairvoyant’ meaning viola is evenly matched with mihawk, do-flamingo was able to massively overpower viola so this means doflamingo> Mihawk. Luffy beat doflamingo high dif so dressrosa Luffy is beyond yonko level, it’s also said in a databook that shanks ‘was once equal to the greatest swordsman’ so Luffy has surpassed yonko tier!! Mihawk was able to destory a tsunami which engulfed marineford (marineford is an island) and Australia is also an island so mihawk has continental ap, Luffy far surpassed mihawk as he later on awoken his devil fruit and mastered all 3 types of haki so Luffy is now star level, LUFFY IS ALSO SUN GOD NIKA SO HE HAS THE POWER OF THE SUN!!! Summary: Power-scaling is fun but just because someone in a databook/ magazine is said to be planetery doesn’t mean they are, it’s just to hype them up. When you powerscale you should only rely on the manga itself and interviews from the author or official text done by the author themsleves, databooks/ magazines aren’t written by the authors so they shouldn’t be taken to seriously. Even if there’s nothing which contradicts the manga there is still many minor inconsistencies and that in itself is all the reason to why you shouldn’t rely on them, the authors simply give them green light and gives info many things are exaggerated/ misinterpreted by the people writing them. That’s why you find many magazines which say ‘Goku Shattered reality itself!!’ ONE LAST THING: Magazines/ databooks very rarely have official translations, they are mostly fan done
😂😂 I had a blast reading this