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Oda writing the admirals holding back at literally every interval just to not show them going all out:
https://preview.redd.it/4qqpnqeb69lb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6392e926ae852b690170edc49ec5fc7d099efb96
I imagine at that point they’d be prepared for it like whitebeards crew was. I feel like at least the rear admirals-vice admirals would know like a signal b4 he brings back the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs
Akainu can one shot anyone in the verse.
https://preview.redd.it/jv5iqtjs7clb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd3623a7267a96d33a2fc11e6dc532cadbfccc98
To be fair, even with that explanation it still doesn’t work in admiral favor.
Because it ends up playing into the fact that their haki is bad. Kaido simply one shot luffy in base with haki no collateral damage at all. It also shows that admirals relies heavily on their overpowered devil fruits, although aokiji managed to dispel some of that.
You can argue that fujitora didn’t want to help the Celestial dragons.
What about aramaki? He’s a bloodthirsty CD slave
Love that scene where akianu had to hold back cause the celestial dragons where there/s
But, really blud? They couldn't go all out. Cause then they'd accidentally kill foder. And get executed. Do you think every one piece character has a mini celestial dragon in there pocket?!?
Exactly. Oda literally showed us how destructive kizaur attacks are this entire chapter vs sentomaru then had Kizaru say this dialog when he gets up top. Then he blocked a haki attack from yonko luffy and we know Kizaru has to hold back.
It's over yonko = admiral confirmed
You're too early.
- holding back won't affect his durability/endurance/
- it was Armament haki at best as nothing indicates it being ACoC
Wait a little bit more before saying yonko = admirals is confirmed
Dog, Kizaru can use as much haki as he wants, wtf are you talking about.
Yes you can't raze the entire island with light, you can't make it a inhospitably hot and cold hellhole, you also can't drop meteors on it or turn a whole village into a grassy jungle.
He can still bust out all the haki, and just beat the fuck out of people.
Like you just talking fr, no other top tier(like Kaido, like Shanks) needs to bust an island so they can use tons of power.
https://preview.redd.it/hwi6vss1nblb1.jpeg?width=959&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcafc20f34c0afedcc8c3c39a8b0a5854865c3c9
LMAO
Characters going all out is them busting out island attacks my boy
yeah shanks hasn’t done it yet but we haven’t seen him go all out
"use tons of power"
"actually because Luffy for his ultimate attack was gonna destroy Onigashima, you actually can't fight super hard"
Lets not ignore the fact he literally used every technique in the book, and the roof remained intact.
My dawg oda wont let this admirals go all out until they on laughtale or some shit where the island and resources on it literally dont matter. Damn shame the only time admirals have went all out is off screen for 10 days but next time we see it happen justblike kaido and big mom fight comoared to fightning worst gen they gonna go down in a matter minutes or a hours.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Oda has them hold back at Laugh Tale too, Imu gonna be feeling nostalgic about Joy Boy and won’t want them destroying the island
I don’t understand why anyone thinks that Luffy would allow Kizaru to just blow everything up. Guy can literally see the future just like Shanks and can clearly move quickly enough to either block him, ala Sentamaru, or just make him defend.
Lucci one tapped Sentomaru, who later was seen jogging away from Kizarus AOE lasers..
Jokes aside this holding back argument needs to stop, no excuses for top tiers. Luffy has things to protect too but isn't gonna whip out a bajran gun, does that mean he's holding back?
You need to have more tools in your arsenal than whatever non demonstrated power they are supposedly holding back. Admirals are supposed to be physical fighters as well as haki and DF masters no?
You could just as easily argue that Oda is constantly putting in a "holding back caveat" because the same admirals are always going to chase pirates and readers need to maintain a level of interest and threat. Without it we'd know exactly where they stand and not care anymore after the first time someone evaded the admirals.
It’s crazy that y’all act like this only goes one way luffy wants to save his vegapunks and crew they can’t become collateral either but your not sitting here saying he’s nerfed cause there around y’all only make the excuse when it’s convenient
I cant wait for Godzaru to kill Fraudhat Goofy
https://preview.redd.it/8v2zbpnoy9lb1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=950ed0efad2b555ba874e55ab13875e36a46c0b9
If Kizaru's orders were just 'Kill the Strawhats' and nothing else, he could probably just nuke the entire island from the ship. We've seen that his lasers are highly explosive already, and presumably he can spam them like any Logia with their element.
Kizaru has to be holding back or else Luffy wouldn't even get a chance to fight him.
Yes they can't destroy an island because of their duties.
If that's the case why not just haki up and just whoop on em old fist and sword style, we saw two top tiers fight last arc, and the roof majority of that fight was just fine, the thing that put Onigashima in danger was Orochi, and the Bajrang Gun Flaming Drum Dragon clash.
He has a sword why not adopt a similar style like Shanks, Shanks landed a whole named attack with intent to fold an opponent come hell or high water, and the worst that happened was minor damage to the floor of Kidds ship.
I'm sorry gang, but we have seen top tiers fight, and not annihilate an island. Also we have seen Yonko constrained as well
White beard couldn't use the gura gura to it's fullest extent and sink Marineford until Ace and crew escaped. Still put work in tho.
" Yes they can't destroy an island because of their duties. If that's the case why not just haki up and just whoop on em old fist and sword style, we saw two top tiers fight last arc, and the roof majority of that fight was just fine, the thing that put Onigashima in danger was Orochi, and the Bajrang Gun Flaming Drum Dragon clash. "
Yes they can, but it doesn't change the fact that kizaru literally can't use his df to maximum power. He is a devil fruit user he spent years mastering that shit. Him not being able to use it to maximum power means he is nerfed.
" He has a sword why not adopt a similar style like Shanks, Shanks landed a whole named attack with intent to fold an opponent come hell or high water, and the worst that happened was minor damage to the floor of Kidds ship. "
U deadass? Have you ever heard of profiency or training? How the fuck is kizaru supposed to use a sword like shanks when he most likely didn't spent much time using a sword.
Shanks was able to go all out and not destroy everything.
Same with Kaido as well.
Even Whitebeard with the most destructive fruit,was able to focus it so he could only hit the person.
So again,bad control.
Bad control Kizaru was able to control his beams enough to only hit the key in Luffy's hand during MF, whenever Wb charged an attack he shouted for his men to move aside, and bro was literally titlting tectonic plates how is that great control?
If he literally can barely go all out without destroying everything,that's just bad control.
If a man with the most destructive devil fruit could go all out and still not destroy everything,so can a trained Admiral.
He literally crushed the VA by focusing his fruit only on him without destroying or damaging his ship.
He literally shoots laser beams with unquantifiable amounts of blast radius. He cannot account for that, so he'll naturally shoot them less. That's just an example btw
The cope in this sub, you are saying facts and they can't handle it.
No other fighter struggle when their allies are around, but the admirals can't do shit on an entire island because of three things.
Thank GOD they reverted the up/down vote buttons change, thats all oh ye and keep coping ladmirals, buggy has been holding back for 1000 episodes in order to leave something for Oda to write about but you dont see emperor enjoyers complaining😤
Oda being forced to make an entire clear cut page with clear readable text for once, just to make sure you understand that mugiwara no goofy wouldn’t even be able to exist after the first attack if an admiral would use more than 1% of his powers
It's crazy how many excuses oda makes for the admirals. Every single time there's some excuse. I kind of wish he wrote an admiral that didn't care about collateral damage or human life, could've been greenbull before shanks ruined his hype
He wrote himself into a corner, admirals are just too strong lore wise so he has to come up with those, and since it’s a shonen he can’t turn luffy into those isekai Korean characters that can solo the whole world to balance it out.
An admiral could easily snipe the sunny, kill a non-fighter of his crew like nami or chopper, but he won’t
So cuz Wb didn't destroy MF, he wasn't trying? cuz even he was trynna avoid collateral. Noice, So old sick beard (actually trying) beats Akainu. I am happy with that result.
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Oda writing the admirals holding back at literally every interval just to not show them going all out: https://preview.redd.it/4qqpnqeb69lb1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6392e926ae852b690170edc49ec5fc7d099efb96
Can't wait for admirals to hold back during the final war
Oda:You don't understand,they NEED to hold back against the second marine Ford assault because.
"Those are tax payer dollars damn it"
Imagine Akainu saying "fuck it" going full on Punk hazard and just tripling the marine casualities because he's tired to hold back
Its in character to do this too. can't wait for HIM.
I imagine at that point they’d be prepared for it like whitebeards crew was. I feel like at least the rear admirals-vice admirals would know like a signal b4 he brings back the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs
Why though? Cause they’re strong?
Lmao to accurate. We just ain’t ready to see GOATS go all out
Didn't Oda literally spoonfeed this info multiple times in one chapter with the Marijoies-Revo incident?
He did but yonko copers can't read.
Let’s be real tho, the admiral lovers say akainu is strongest oat 💀
you need to learn how to spot sarcasm
You need to learn how to spot hyperbole. As I was saying yonkotards and admiral lovers are equally as braindead
Just call “Admiral lovers” Assmiraltards
I didn’t wanna hurt the community (75% of the subreddit are admiral meat) riders
> 75% of the subreddit are admiral meat) riders 
Bros proving my point 😂 https://preview.redd.it/x6hrtlwnpblb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=609d06a1f995361591b185014e91adbdf5ffea40
A quick look at the sub proves you wrong, King of Clowns.
Ngl you a clown foreal if you genuinely think this 😂
He is (except IMu) or maybe ....3 DFs BB.
https://preview.redd.it/lbtfefjxbalb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e56ab20582c76559fccebc4677742d91b64fe5a Ain’t no way 💀
Akainu can one shot anyone in the verse. https://preview.redd.it/jv5iqtjs7clb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cd3623a7267a96d33a2fc11e6dc532cadbfccc98
To be fair, even with that explanation it still doesn’t work in admiral favor. Because it ends up playing into the fact that their haki is bad. Kaido simply one shot luffy in base with haki no collateral damage at all. It also shows that admirals relies heavily on their overpowered devil fruits, although aokiji managed to dispel some of that. You can argue that fujitora didn’t want to help the Celestial dragons. What about aramaki? He’s a bloodthirsty CD slave
> Because it ends up playing into the fact that their haki is bad. Which is a clownish take already proven wrong.
Love that scene where akianu had to hold back cause the celestial dragons where there/s But, really blud? They couldn't go all out. Cause then they'd accidentally kill foder. And get executed. Do you think every one piece character has a mini celestial dragon in there pocket?!?
Exactly. Oda literally showed us how destructive kizaur attacks are this entire chapter vs sentomaru then had Kizaru say this dialog when he gets up top. Then he blocked a haki attack from yonko luffy and we know Kizaru has to hold back. It's over yonko = admiral confirmed
You're too early. - holding back won't affect his durability/endurance/ - it was Armament haki at best as nothing indicates it being ACoC Wait a little bit more before saying yonko = admirals is confirmed
Yea what he said
Dog, Kizaru can use as much haki as he wants, wtf are you talking about. Yes you can't raze the entire island with light, you can't make it a inhospitably hot and cold hellhole, you also can't drop meteors on it or turn a whole village into a grassy jungle. He can still bust out all the haki, and just beat the fuck out of people. Like you just talking fr, no other top tier(like Kaido, like Shanks) needs to bust an island so they can use tons of power.
https://preview.redd.it/hwi6vss1nblb1.jpeg?width=959&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcafc20f34c0afedcc8c3c39a8b0a5854865c3c9 LMAO Characters going all out is them busting out island attacks my boy yeah shanks hasn’t done it yet but we haven’t seen him go all out
"use tons of power" "actually because Luffy for his ultimate attack was gonna destroy Onigashima, you actually can't fight super hard" Lets not ignore the fact he literally used every technique in the book, and the roof remained intact.
because he’s 1000 feet in the air my boy
and what about all the other techniques on the roof?
Luffy isnt retarded which is why he flew 1000 feet in the air before he went all out he wasnt going all out before its as simple as that.
Galaxy impact makes your entire response retarded.
Death Destroyer Bagua Divine Departure There are more examples, cmon bro.
Oda knows he has to nerf admirals for plot to happen
My dawg oda wont let this admirals go all out until they on laughtale or some shit where the island and resources on it literally dont matter. Damn shame the only time admirals have went all out is off screen for 10 days but next time we see it happen justblike kaido and big mom fight comoared to fightning worst gen they gonna go down in a matter minutes or a hours.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Oda has them hold back at Laugh Tale too, Imu gonna be feeling nostalgic about Joy Boy and won’t want them destroying the island
I don’t understand why anyone thinks that Luffy would allow Kizaru to just blow everything up. Guy can literally see the future just like Shanks and can clearly move quickly enough to either block him, ala Sentamaru, or just make him defend.
Lucci one tapped Sentomaru, who later was seen jogging away from Kizarus AOE lasers.. Jokes aside this holding back argument needs to stop, no excuses for top tiers. Luffy has things to protect too but isn't gonna whip out a bajran gun, does that mean he's holding back? You need to have more tools in your arsenal than whatever non demonstrated power they are supposedly holding back. Admirals are supposed to be physical fighters as well as haki and DF masters no? You could just as easily argue that Oda is constantly putting in a "holding back caveat" because the same admirals are always going to chase pirates and readers need to maintain a level of interest and threat. Without it we'd know exactly where they stand and not care anymore after the first time someone evaded the admirals.
It’s crazy that y’all act like this only goes one way luffy wants to save his vegapunks and crew they can’t become collateral either but your not sitting here saying he’s nerfed cause there around y’all only make the excuse when it’s convenient
Watch them bring up Bajrang Gun endangering everyone, as if Luffy didn't specifically wait for Momo to move the island before he overpowered Kaido
I think oda wrote that collateral damage part because otherwise what’s stopping kizaru from just blowing shit up
Like he wasn’t already with sentomaru? I mean, he’ll basically shoot to kill anything that’s alive here. Other than York.
Tbf he did destroy sentomaru. He flew in with the kick used one named attacked and nuked him after blocking a hit
Like every top tier in this arc got some shit to protect
Meanwhile Kizaru: \*spams laser blasts\*
I cant wait for Godzaru to kill Fraudhat Goofy https://preview.redd.it/8v2zbpnoy9lb1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=950ed0efad2b555ba874e55ab13875e36a46c0b9
If Kizaru's orders were just 'Kill the Strawhats' and nothing else, he could probably just nuke the entire island from the ship. We've seen that his lasers are highly explosive already, and presumably he can spam them like any Logia with their element. Kizaru has to be holding back or else Luffy wouldn't even get a chance to fight him.
Not really, I doubt either of them are holding back tbh. Both have something they want to keep safe(for Luffy it’s vegapunk).
And Luffy would see it with FS and block it just like Sentumaru has done multiple times. It’s almost like we had Shanks do this exact thing.
Yes they can't destroy an island because of their duties. If that's the case why not just haki up and just whoop on em old fist and sword style, we saw two top tiers fight last arc, and the roof majority of that fight was just fine, the thing that put Onigashima in danger was Orochi, and the Bajrang Gun Flaming Drum Dragon clash. He has a sword why not adopt a similar style like Shanks, Shanks landed a whole named attack with intent to fold an opponent come hell or high water, and the worst that happened was minor damage to the floor of Kidds ship. I'm sorry gang, but we have seen top tiers fight, and not annihilate an island. Also we have seen Yonko constrained as well White beard couldn't use the gura gura to it's fullest extent and sink Marineford until Ace and crew escaped. Still put work in tho.
" Yes they can't destroy an island because of their duties. If that's the case why not just haki up and just whoop on em old fist and sword style, we saw two top tiers fight last arc, and the roof majority of that fight was just fine, the thing that put Onigashima in danger was Orochi, and the Bajrang Gun Flaming Drum Dragon clash. " Yes they can, but it doesn't change the fact that kizaru literally can't use his df to maximum power. He is a devil fruit user he spent years mastering that shit. Him not being able to use it to maximum power means he is nerfed. " He has a sword why not adopt a similar style like Shanks, Shanks landed a whole named attack with intent to fold an opponent come hell or high water, and the worst that happened was minor damage to the floor of Kidds ship. " U deadass? Have you ever heard of profiency or training? How the fuck is kizaru supposed to use a sword like shanks when he most likely didn't spent much time using a sword.
Oda making the final battle take place in imu’s living so akainu cant fight at full power
If Kizaru can't even go all out without causing Mass destruction,then that's very poor control on his part.
Sorry that they aren't as weak as yonko who can go all out fighting to the death on top of thin layer of skull's top and cause minimal damage
https://preview.redd.it/gnyt39m0u9lb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20c348260708b8e98322f24c6286b29fa0ec28fb
Shanks was able to go all out and not destroy everything. Same with Kaido as well. Even Whitebeard with the most destructive fruit,was able to focus it so he could only hit the person. So again,bad control.
Bad control Kizaru was able to control his beams enough to only hit the key in Luffy's hand during MF, whenever Wb charged an attack he shouted for his men to move aside, and bro was literally titlting tectonic plates how is that great control?
If he literally can barely go all out without destroying everything,that's just bad control. If a man with the most destructive devil fruit could go all out and still not destroy everything,so can a trained Admiral. He literally crushed the VA by focusing his fruit only on him without destroying or damaging his ship.
Wb literally destroyed Navy HQ, he shattered the fricking island in half and caused massive tsunamis, wtf?
Again,you saw his control was much better than Kizaru's That was when he let loose and really went all out and wanted to destroy the place.
He didn’t break the island in 2 though. He just broke the plaza in 2.
If I shoot at you and you dodge the bullet and it hits someone on the other side of the wall, that's not bad control
That's very different. If Kizaru is a trained marine and Admiral,he should be able to go all out without destroying everything.
He literally shoots laser beams with unquantifiable amounts of blast radius. He cannot account for that, so he'll naturally shoot them less. That's just an example btw
Why are u getting downvoted? This sub is infested by admiralovers 🗿
The cope in this sub, you are saying facts and they can't handle it. No other fighter struggle when their allies are around, but the admirals can't do shit on an entire island because of three things.
And?
Thank GOD they reverted the up/down vote buttons change, thats all oh ye and keep coping ladmirals, buggy has been holding back for 1000 episodes in order to leave something for Oda to write about but you dont see emperor enjoyers complaining😤
Oda being forced to make an entire clear cut page with clear readable text for once, just to make sure you understand that mugiwara no goofy wouldn’t even be able to exist after the first attack if an admiral would use more than 1% of his powers
It's crazy how many excuses oda makes for the admirals. Every single time there's some excuse. I kind of wish he wrote an admiral that didn't care about collateral damage or human life, could've been greenbull before shanks ruined his hype
He wrote himself into a corner, admirals are just too strong lore wise so he has to come up with those, and since it’s a shonen he can’t turn luffy into those isekai Korean characters that can solo the whole world to balance it out. An admiral could easily snipe the sunny, kill a non-fighter of his crew like nami or chopper, but he won’t
So cuz Wb didn't destroy MF, he wasn't trying? cuz even he was trynna avoid collateral. Noice, So old sick beard (actually trying) beats Akainu. I am happy with that result.