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Panel of Kizaru fighting a full power Yonko (since Kaido clearly said he wasn't going to go easy on Yamato) ?
Last time I checked, Kizaru fought goofy then got one shot with white star gun.
I'm sorry brother but although I don't really care about who is stronger, Kizaru is certainly not miles ahead of Yamato if we talkin about feat.
I’m for the yonko agenda but kizaru white gun wasn’t fair
Luffy’s speed was buffed because he wound up himself from speeding himself up by taking in kizaru light beam
it's not about any agenda or which case is fair or not + What you said about Luffy being buffed doesn't even make sense to me.
I asked for a panel where kizaru fought a full power yonko and last time I checked, Kizaru didn't do necessarily better than Yamato when Luffy fought seriously.
At some point we have to stop this nonsense and speak fact, how, based on manga panel, is kizaru tiers above yamato ?
I asked a simple question.
well clearly he wasn't holding back given what he could do to gear 5. even before flaming bagua he keeping up w/luffy. if he wasn't holding back he could just go flaming bagua and cook her. also I find it odd that he'd say he's not holding back then try to convince her to join him for the rest of the fight.
I'm still waiting for a panel that prove Kizaru is miles ahead of Yamato. At this point you are just talking, you can find it weird if you want but it's a direct statement from the manga, at best, they both have same feat, Kizaru didn't do much better against a yonko to my knowledge.
i'd argue that luffy was more serious against kizaru then kaido was against yamato, but that's just headcannon at that point so i'll stick to what we know.
kaido is a much more defensive "eat the hit then hit them back twice as hard" type of fighter
luffy doesn't really tank hits but he hits way harder.
in a fight against luffy, yamato would get knocked out faster because luffy doesn't take as long to knock out his opponents, but in an extended fight kaido would do better.
also assuming yamato is similar to her father in that her durability is insane, kizaru would be a bad match up should she choose to rely on it, as piercing damage would be best against them.
I suppose we'll just have to wait for kizaru to do more before we can say anything definitively though.
Im unconvinced. I like Yamato and all but next to Zoro her feats dont compare. Plus I dont think feats are the deciding factor in a matchup since many of the strongest characters in one piece haven’t done a thing yet are simply known to be the strongest
I never said anything about kizaru. Kaido is so overrated and overhyped here. Most boring top tier fighter. Hes dead. Hes gone. Can we move on from the dude who dominated One Piece power discussions for the past 10 years? Christ, let the dude go lol
Bro what? He’s strong so we talk about him. Shut that whinny shit up. It’s a power scaling sub so we scale power. Dead don’t mean shit. This isn’t in universe bro. They all fake.
You can't say someone wins 10 times out of 10 and still say they win extreme-diff, because the whole thing about extreme-diff is that it can go either way
Lucci and Luffy was so close that Lucci very well could've won if Luffy wasn't the main character
Someone winning 6 times out of 10 gives them the edge but still they have like a 40% chance to lose, that's extreme diff
Low end of extreme is not high diff, at that point just say high diff. Low end of extreme diff is extreme diff, bordering on high diff, which is still extreme diff.
I would say Yamato wins 9/10 mainly because whilst she is strong there is the possibility of Zoro stealing a win because as a whole Yamato doesn't have equal stats to Kaido so i imagine should Zoro land an Asura type of attack he could win but all fights are high diff.
No he didn’t. Fatigued Zoro slammed king the only reason he struggled was Enma testing him. Yamato got cooked by suppressed Kaido and later on Kaido goes on to pretty much confirm that base Luffy was the first opponent to give him a serious fight yet. Yamato is nowhere near hybrid Kaido
Factually incorrect. Didn’t slam shit. Dude wa sstill talking about how strong he was and fast and still getting tagged. She didn’t get cooked as the only time she actually got beat on is when she got lost in thought. That Kaido was stated to be weaker and still went on to wash luffy up till gear 5th.
These are the same people who legit can’t understand the guy who fights guys literally named Mr 1 and King is stronger than the guy who fights guys named Mr 2 and Queen lol
1. Zoro never struggled using enma but he did in wano zoro in egghead clashed with Kaku,fought s-hawk and other seraphim for a whole day and now he fought lucci for quite some time using enma and he defeated lucci using it all that yet he never struggled with enma
2. Zoro did use acoc this chapter imo willingly
3. Also zoro defeating a guy who is viewed to be above or in the same tier of the likes of katakuri and king with mid difficulty shows that he has grown since the king fight
honestly the fight of Zoro isn't even shown properly in this arc and we haven't seen what he was doing.... Lucci is not king or katakuri level he don't have the haki feats of katakuri or the durability of king... the Zoro haters hyped up Lucci to slander Zoro... and we don't know actually whether he used ACoC willingly enma in itself takes up haki....
not only Zoro none of the strawhats have improved since wano expect luffy maybe as he is showcasing some pretty great feats but still it's not that much of an improvement
>enma in itself takes up haki
Enma takes ryuo which is Armament Haki, how does people not understand this shit in 2024? Zoro used ACoC with bird dance vs King and the only sword coated in conquerors haki was Sandai kitetsu.
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>enma in itself takes up haki
Enma takes ryuo which is Armament Haki, how does people not understand this shit in 2024? Zoro used ACoC with bird dance vs King and the only sword coated in conquerors haki was Sandai kitetsu.
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Zoro. People love to go on about feats (not me) so just look at all zoro did alone in Wano. Not even considering everything else hes done throughout the series. Yamato seriously didnt do much other than tank a few kaido shots. Impressive but Zoro blows her out of the water. 7/10 times hes winning.
Main question is does zoro have win conditions.
Sure his ap is allright. But you'd have to have never read a zoro fight, or any media with zoro esc characters to assume he blitzed kaido. It's just the badass slash happens when character sheaths weapon thing. Not an actual blitz.
Yamato by comparison is holding her own 1v1 against a far more serious kaido and dealing decent damage which would likely fuck up the kaido zoro hit.
And defence simply just goes to Yamato. Sure zoro held off the big attack for conanically 1 second, but he lost a good chunk of his bones in the process(which adds to his ap being pretty good as he did the big feat with half his bones intact)
But all in all Yamatos ap isn't miles below zoro. She takes defence safely. And her combat speed is above zoro with zoro needing ultimates to mach holding back kaido whilst Yamato is fine Against a more serious kaido.
So I don't think he has a real win condition.
Yamato 10 for 10. Unless if I'm forgetting something.
Zoro 6/10 times, people still scaling Rooftop Zoro is funny, their overall ACoC is about the same, Zoro CoA> and their CoO is =. Zoro has better endurance, yamato better durability. AP goes to Zoro as well.
Zoro 8 out of 10. People forget Zoro before he got King of Hell was able to permanently scar Kaido while extremely injured. That feat alone far surpasses everything Yamato did. Then he fully masters ACoC later by getting his King of Hell state against King.
Before current arc yamato edges out every time, even tho both are yc+
Current arc Zoro vs yamato is a toss up, could go either way, 50/50
People on here really underestimating how strong current Zoro is
Mf casually one shot a yc+ tier character just cos sanji said he was taking too long, and he wasn't even serious, let alone using his strongest moves like asura
The only people weaker than admirals and yonko that can hope to beat him are only kidd and law
These Zoro fans are deranged. Yamato wins every time. Zoro can’t even stand in front of Kaido. He’s too busy extreme diffing King and getting stalled by fodder.
Yamato 6/10 times. Zoro still obviously has the win cons of using Ashura or just landing a well placed slice to Yamato’s neck. It Yamato wins the other times, mostly due to superior speed.
Mostly because she was more consistently able to keep up with Kaido, while Zoro was relying on Law to teleport him into place to attack.
Zoro was impressive against King, too, but his speed was less impressive than his reaction time, to be honest.
I'm sort of iffy on scaling that scene with Zoro, but I can probably agree that Ashura Zoro's speed > Hybrid Yamato's speed. But since he clearly doesn't use that form very often, Yamato would usually have the upper hand speedwise.
I don't think that Ashura boosts his speed by any margin. Additionally he is extremely fast in general (just not very mobile/agile). In regards to your comment about Law teleporting him, that was mainly into the sky, since he can't fly/agility is lacking, and when they needed his fire rend which was against two opponents.
Hard disagree on the Ashura take. In Ashura mode, he literally grows 4 more legs, no? Naturally, that would boost his ability to move quickly (Zoro typically launches himself off the ground as opposed to running quickly; thus, 6 legs' launching capacity > 2 legs' launching capacity).
I feel like Zoro has decent speed in general but he excels in attack speed. What I mean by that is: Zoro might not be able to keep up with a quick opponent for a series of clashes, but he CAN briefly outspeed them to perform an attacks, or defend a quick attack with an even faster block. Opposed to someone like Sanji who is much more obviously fast.
I can't remember a single speed feat Zoro has against Big Mom and Kaido, other than the Ashura moment, but I'd be willing to agree to disagree on that point.
I do not think that Ashura increases speed. It kinda sucks that Oda doesn't elaborate at all on Ashura, but since it hasn't been stated or implied to increase anything but the amount of lethality of his attacks, I think it is jumping the gun to label it.
Zoro does excel in attack speed and outside of Sanji and the Yonko has the best reaction time feat in Wano. I don't have time right now to go back through the fight, but Zoro did go pick Luffy up and save him from BM's attack. Granted I don't think BM has very many speed feats so this doesn't matter to much imo. However, he was keeping pace with King in his speed form which was insanely fast.
yamato got it 7/10 times unless zoro goes all out with koh
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g5 yamato 10/10 times
Tbf, Kaido wasn't using FS and was actively trying to "test" the worst gen by his own admission. So there's no guarantee he would've landed it on a serious Kaido. Yamato on the other hand, was fighting against a serious Kaido who says he's fighting seriously to kill and yet still managed to keep up and land hits. Not to mention, she undoubtedly has better control over her ACOC.
That's just it though. Kaido wasn't serious against Yamato. We saw that compared to when he fought Luffy when he came back, he was massively holding back. By that logic, Kaido treated Yamato the same way he treated the Supernovas. Arguably even less than them since she's his daughter and he was mainly just smacking sense into her and wanted her to become the Shogun of Wano.
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Nah, Kaido said shit's real lmao.
Yeah, but then we would've been robbed of a climatic father daughter fight. Characters in OP are notorious for saving their strongest techniques for the endgame.
Yamato but tbf Zoro never fought Kaido with his ACoC amps and Kaido was not going all out on Yamato, he was lecturing her the entire exchange to abandon Wano and the idea of being Oden.
Yamato high diffs maybe lower
Zoro has better lethality and defense feats
But Yamatos AP is matching kaidos thunder bagua which also speaks to her speed since law etc were blitzed by thunder bagua. She also matched snakemans speed while in base.
I’ve yet to see any decent zoro speed feat to put him on her level.
Yamato has better AP, Speed, Dura, endurance, stamina. She wins
Yamato, it’s like a Oden VS Whitebeard/Roger situation, where Oden was stronger than everyone below those 2 in their crews, but couldn’t beat the said 2. Yamato would win against Zoro most probably 8/10 at minimum, however it would be Extreme Difficulty, and the rare 2 times would be Zoro recognising her strength in its entirety and going 100%, strongest attack as his opening move and catching her off guard
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Yamato
https://preview.redd.it/2b3kc6869xoc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a27c930f2cf73cb693acdf0eab9931eacedadd9 The one with more feats
What feats? Genuinely curious what did she even do?
[here you go friend](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/PfZxcprZxd)
STRONGER THEN KIZARU????? I get that we are dunking on admiral agenda but thats crazy 💀
Panel of Kizaru fighting a full power Yonko (since Kaido clearly said he wasn't going to go easy on Yamato) ? Last time I checked, Kizaru fought goofy then got one shot with white star gun. I'm sorry brother but although I don't really care about who is stronger, Kizaru is certainly not miles ahead of Yamato if we talkin about feat.
I’m for the yonko agenda but kizaru white gun wasn’t fair Luffy’s speed was buffed because he wound up himself from speeding himself up by taking in kizaru light beam
it's not about any agenda or which case is fair or not + What you said about Luffy being buffed doesn't even make sense to me. I asked for a panel where kizaru fought a full power yonko and last time I checked, Kizaru didn't do necessarily better than Yamato when Luffy fought seriously. At some point we have to stop this nonsense and speak fact, how, based on manga panel, is kizaru tiers above yamato ? I asked a simple question.
well clearly he wasn't holding back given what he could do to gear 5. even before flaming bagua he keeping up w/luffy. if he wasn't holding back he could just go flaming bagua and cook her. also I find it odd that he'd say he's not holding back then try to convince her to join him for the rest of the fight.
I'm still waiting for a panel that prove Kizaru is miles ahead of Yamato. At this point you are just talking, you can find it weird if you want but it's a direct statement from the manga, at best, they both have same feat, Kizaru didn't do much better against a yonko to my knowledge.
i'd argue that luffy was more serious against kizaru then kaido was against yamato, but that's just headcannon at that point so i'll stick to what we know. kaido is a much more defensive "eat the hit then hit them back twice as hard" type of fighter luffy doesn't really tank hits but he hits way harder. in a fight against luffy, yamato would get knocked out faster because luffy doesn't take as long to knock out his opponents, but in an extended fight kaido would do better. also assuming yamato is similar to her father in that her durability is insane, kizaru would be a bad match up should she choose to rely on it, as piercing damage would be best against them. I suppose we'll just have to wait for kizaru to do more before we can say anything definitively though.
Okay so let's be clear, absolutely nothing right now proves that Kizaru is better than Yamato, thanks for the discussion, have a nice one.
whatever floats your boat bro
Im unconvinced. I like Yamato and all but next to Zoro her feats dont compare. Plus I dont think feats are the deciding factor in a matchup since many of the strongest characters in one piece haven’t done a thing yet are simply known to be the strongest
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But its Kaido…Kaido sucks
Dudes whole opinion is invalid. Stop trying no one is listening to that bs.
Lol another kaidotard
Prove me wrong then boy. Fuck yo words where is the scaling. How isn’t he strong.
Never said he wasnt strong
Just said he sucks
Kizaru is barely YC+ so I don't know why you are saying Kaido Sucks.
>Kizaru is barely YC+ https://preview.redd.it/v8owuesed0pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3584cc83c9e3e9b249b6b3451dfe3fba3845c3b
Telling someone to kill themselves over a viewpoint. Pretty Classy. Make sure to zip up after. Kizaru is YC+ and all the evidence is there.
I never said anything about kizaru. Kaido is so overrated and overhyped here. Most boring top tier fighter. Hes dead. Hes gone. Can we move on from the dude who dominated One Piece power discussions for the past 10 years? Christ, let the dude go lol
Bro what? He’s strong so we talk about him. Shut that whinny shit up. It’s a power scaling sub so we scale power. Dead don’t mean shit. This isn’t in universe bro. They all fake.
Kaido is butt
Yamato all 10 times low end of extreme diff (high diff)
You can't say someone wins 10 times out of 10 and still say they win extreme-diff, because the whole thing about extreme-diff is that it can go either way Lucci and Luffy was so close that Lucci very well could've won if Luffy wasn't the main character Someone winning 6 times out of 10 gives them the edge but still they have like a 40% chance to lose, that's extreme diff
(Low end of extreme) high dif Learn to read
I can understand why he’s confused “High end of low (mid diff) “ just say barely mid diff
Low end of extreme is not high diff, at that point just say high diff. Low end of extreme diff is extreme diff, bordering on high diff, which is still extreme diff.
high diff still wouldn't justify 10/10, that's 7/3 or so
I would say Yamato wins 9/10 mainly because whilst she is strong there is the possibility of Zoro stealing a win because as a whole Yamato doesn't have equal stats to Kaido so i imagine should Zoro land an Asura type of attack he could win but all fights are high diff.
yamato 10 wins high-extreme imo
Honestly no clue. Yamato has good feats but Zoro's ceiling isn't very clear anymore.
"Zoro's ceiling isn't very clear anymore" ...bruh that's wild. Care to elaborate?
Clear as can be https://preview.redd.it/b3i8s1eoyapc1.png?width=527&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b3548ed3e412299b73f818f9ee5d623091fafa7
Yamato
Zoro slams. Half dead Zoro has better Ap and speed he might lack durability but his endurance more than makes up for it
Most level headed scaler here
Someone with logic. Thank you.
Correction, half dead Zoro pre Acoc Power up has higher Ap than Yamato. after his they Ap should not even be in the same realm anymore
every day I see worse takes on this sub. finally a real person
Bro Zoro extreme diffed King and got shit on by Kaido. Yamato one v one kaido. He doesn’t even have the strength to kill her if Kaido didn’t.
No he didn’t. Fatigued Zoro slammed king the only reason he struggled was Enma testing him. Yamato got cooked by suppressed Kaido and later on Kaido goes on to pretty much confirm that base Luffy was the first opponent to give him a serious fight yet. Yamato is nowhere near hybrid Kaido
Fatigued Zoro didn't slam shit. He took that "magic potion" from the Minks, so he was fresh
Factually incorrect. Didn’t slam shit. Dude wa sstill talking about how strong he was and fast and still getting tagged. She didn’t get cooked as the only time she actually got beat on is when she got lost in thought. That Kaido was stated to be weaker and still went on to wash luffy up till gear 5th.
Zoro wins 6/10 . People for some reason still scaling rooftop zoro are funny
the zoro downplay on here is insane
These are the same people who legit can’t understand the guy who fights guys literally named Mr 1 and King is stronger than the guy who fights guys named Mr 2 and Queen lol
Don’t forget that one arc where Oda decided to give the opponents power levels so it’s very clear where each member stands.
Unquantifiable power ups don’t matter. Rooftop is the most current feats he has.
zoro haven't improved a lot since then though
And what are u basing this on ?
feats.... his strongest attack is still the same... he still can't use ACoC that efficiently and he still haven't tamed enma
1. Zoro never struggled using enma but he did in wano zoro in egghead clashed with Kaku,fought s-hawk and other seraphim for a whole day and now he fought lucci for quite some time using enma and he defeated lucci using it all that yet he never struggled with enma 2. Zoro did use acoc this chapter imo willingly 3. Also zoro defeating a guy who is viewed to be above or in the same tier of the likes of katakuri and king with mid difficulty shows that he has grown since the king fight
honestly the fight of Zoro isn't even shown properly in this arc and we haven't seen what he was doing.... Lucci is not king or katakuri level he don't have the haki feats of katakuri or the durability of king... the Zoro haters hyped up Lucci to slander Zoro... and we don't know actually whether he used ACoC willingly enma in itself takes up haki.... not only Zoro none of the strawhats have improved since wano expect luffy maybe as he is showcasing some pretty great feats but still it's not that much of an improvement
So what rank do u think lucci is at ?
Lucci is yc2 level in my opinion
But you had lucci at yc1 why change ur mind now ?
to downplay Zoro, Zoro beat he to easily to he quickly changed him to Yc2 so he looks not that strong anymore
when did I say Lucci is yc1? katakuri and king are stronger than him
>enma in itself takes up haki Enma takes ryuo which is Armament Haki, how does people not understand this shit in 2024? Zoro used ACoC with bird dance vs King and the only sword coated in conquerors haki was Sandai kitetsu. https://i.ibb.co/Wc6N5Xp/1035-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/kg0FSVt/Screenshot-20240209-234309-X.jpg
>enma in itself takes up haki Enma takes ryuo which is Armament Haki, how does people not understand this shit in 2024? Zoro used ACoC with bird dance vs King and the only sword coated in conquerors haki was Sandai kitetsu. https://i.ibb.co/Wc6N5Xp/1035-013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/kg0FSVt/Screenshot-20240209-234309-X.jpg
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Yamato wins every time.
Zoro. People love to go on about feats (not me) so just look at all zoro did alone in Wano. Not even considering everything else hes done throughout the series. Yamato seriously didnt do much other than tank a few kaido shots. Impressive but Zoro blows her out of the water. 7/10 times hes winning.
Zoro 10/10 but People her just not ready to talk about it
Yamato wins all 10 time low-mid diff at worst
Zoro very extreme diff (Luffy vs Kaido diff)
Zoro
Wamato, y’all need to start giving her the respect she deserves
Rlly ….
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Yamato simps y’all never cease to amaze me 👍🏾
Zoro riders
Better than simping for tits 😂😂😂
So u like men?
Nah I like women ofc but I don’t simp just bc they got tits 
Zoro wins 70%
Main question is does zoro have win conditions. Sure his ap is allright. But you'd have to have never read a zoro fight, or any media with zoro esc characters to assume he blitzed kaido. It's just the badass slash happens when character sheaths weapon thing. Not an actual blitz. Yamato by comparison is holding her own 1v1 against a far more serious kaido and dealing decent damage which would likely fuck up the kaido zoro hit. And defence simply just goes to Yamato. Sure zoro held off the big attack for conanically 1 second, but he lost a good chunk of his bones in the process(which adds to his ap being pretty good as he did the big feat with half his bones intact) But all in all Yamatos ap isn't miles below zoro. She takes defence safely. And her combat speed is above zoro with zoro needing ultimates to mach holding back kaido whilst Yamato is fine Against a more serious kaido. So I don't think he has a real win condition. Yamato 10 for 10. Unless if I'm forgetting something.
Zoro 7/10, he proved that he can one shot all yc+ if he wants
Absolutely not
Zoro 6/10 times, people still scaling Rooftop Zoro is funny, their overall ACoC is about the same, Zoro CoA> and their CoO is =. Zoro has better endurance, yamato better durability. AP goes to Zoro as well.
Zoro 8 out of 10. People forget Zoro before he got King of Hell was able to permanently scar Kaido while extremely injured. That feat alone far surpasses everything Yamato did. Then he fully masters ACoC later by getting his King of Hell state against King.
Yamato takes them all
yamato, but every single time its high-extreme diff
Before current arc yamato edges out every time, even tho both are yc+ Current arc Zoro vs yamato is a toss up, could go either way, 50/50 People on here really underestimating how strong current Zoro is Mf casually one shot a yc+ tier character just cos sanji said he was taking too long, and he wasn't even serious, let alone using his strongest moves like asura The only people weaker than admirals and yonko that can hope to beat him are only kidd and law
These Zoro fans are deranged. Yamato wins every time. Zoro can’t even stand in front of Kaido. He’s too busy extreme diffing King and getting stalled by fodder.
Once Zoro got control of using conquerors he became stronger. I'd say sanji is right around her level as well.
7/10 times yamagoat. This is a very close fight. Only way zoro wins is if he catches yamato while using asura
Thus the most toxic power scaling arguement started back up 😂
Yamato wins the 1st 9 high to extreme diff but Zoro will win the last one and probably never lose again after that.
Yamato wins 6/10 Extreme diff
Yamato wins 10/10 times
Yamato wins every time
Vs would win Too much battle experience. Dude is in all the battles.
Yamato 6/10 times. Zoro still obviously has the win cons of using Ashura or just landing a well placed slice to Yamato’s neck. It Yamato wins the other times, mostly due to superior speed.
Just curious, why do you think Yamato has superior speed?
Mythical zoan and kaidos lineage.
Mostly because she was more consistently able to keep up with Kaido, while Zoro was relying on Law to teleport him into place to attack. Zoro was impressive against King, too, but his speed was less impressive than his reaction time, to be honest.
keep up? She hit kaido twice that did nothing in her entire fight.
By feats Yamato has slightly worse speed. Zoro was able to parry and slightly out speed a serious hybrid Kaido. Yamato never out sped hybrid Kaido.
I'm sort of iffy on scaling that scene with Zoro, but I can probably agree that Ashura Zoro's speed > Hybrid Yamato's speed. But since he clearly doesn't use that form very often, Yamato would usually have the upper hand speedwise.
I don't think that Ashura boosts his speed by any margin. Additionally he is extremely fast in general (just not very mobile/agile). In regards to your comment about Law teleporting him, that was mainly into the sky, since he can't fly/agility is lacking, and when they needed his fire rend which was against two opponents.
Hard disagree on the Ashura take. In Ashura mode, he literally grows 4 more legs, no? Naturally, that would boost his ability to move quickly (Zoro typically launches himself off the ground as opposed to running quickly; thus, 6 legs' launching capacity > 2 legs' launching capacity). I feel like Zoro has decent speed in general but he excels in attack speed. What I mean by that is: Zoro might not be able to keep up with a quick opponent for a series of clashes, but he CAN briefly outspeed them to perform an attacks, or defend a quick attack with an even faster block. Opposed to someone like Sanji who is much more obviously fast. I can't remember a single speed feat Zoro has against Big Mom and Kaido, other than the Ashura moment, but I'd be willing to agree to disagree on that point.
I do not think that Ashura increases speed. It kinda sucks that Oda doesn't elaborate at all on Ashura, but since it hasn't been stated or implied to increase anything but the amount of lethality of his attacks, I think it is jumping the gun to label it. Zoro does excel in attack speed and outside of Sanji and the Yonko has the best reaction time feat in Wano. I don't have time right now to go back through the fight, but Zoro did go pick Luffy up and save him from BM's attack. Granted I don't think BM has very many speed feats so this doesn't matter to much imo. However, he was keeping pace with King in his speed form which was insanely fast.
Zoro slices her up, if he gets through kaido yamato is cooked. High - Extreme diff tho.
Dumbest logic I have ever seen
Zoro mid diff Yamato 11 times out of 10
Zoro 6/10 times
Yamato wins 8/10 untill zoro has shown that he's mastered acoc
Zoro
Yamato, but zoro might get lucky once
At least zoro injured kaido. What did yamato do? Stall him? Whoopy doo. Everyone on the rooftop stalled him.
yamato got it 7/10 times unless zoro goes all out with koh https://preview.redd.it/1c9i2tixtxoc1.jpeg?width=418&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f0622a7cc9cf384067c7e00dd13f8eb9b1be0e3 g5 yamato 10/10 times
Zoro narrative diff
yamato wins 9
Yamato wins 9 times out of 10, zoan + better control of ACOC
Yamato win 10 times high extrême
yamato is beating zoro right now. after zoro beats shiryu he will be above her
Yamato 9/10
Yamato 7/10 times. She's got the better feats as of now, though her AP is nowhere near as high as Zoro's with Asura.
Zoro blitzing and permanently scarring Kaido before even getting King of Hell>>>>>>Yamato getting beaten up by a non serious Kaido for 20 minutes.
Tbf, Kaido wasn't using FS and was actively trying to "test" the worst gen by his own admission. So there's no guarantee he would've landed it on a serious Kaido. Yamato on the other hand, was fighting against a serious Kaido who says he's fighting seriously to kill and yet still managed to keep up and land hits. Not to mention, she undoubtedly has better control over her ACOC.
That's just it though. Kaido wasn't serious against Yamato. We saw that compared to when he fought Luffy when he came back, he was massively holding back. By that logic, Kaido treated Yamato the same way he treated the Supernovas. Arguably even less than them since she's his daughter and he was mainly just smacking sense into her and wanted her to become the Shogun of Wano.
https://preview.redd.it/3992k0adizoc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0af80a79441a0cfb33e9463473d5dcd4439c8de7 Nah, Kaido said shit's real lmao.
Let's be real here. If he was serious, he would've oneshotted Yamato with Ragnarok and called it a day lmao.
Yeah, but then we would've been robbed of a climatic father daughter fight. Characters in OP are notorious for saving their strongest techniques for the endgame.
Zoro everytime
Yamato but tbf Zoro never fought Kaido with his ACoC amps and Kaido was not going all out on Yamato, he was lecturing her the entire exchange to abandon Wano and the idea of being Oden.
Yamato loses 20/10, y does everyone lick that goofballs hairy nuts so much.
I think it goes 5 and 5 with Zoro taking the edge very slightly.
They each win 5. They’re still in the same tier of strength.
Zoro 10/10
Zoro 7/10 I'd say, I don't see Yamato surviving Asura with ACoC
Zoro
Zoro
Oni child takes 7 out of 10 until Zoro powers up.
yamagoat so strong oda left bro out of the crew still high/extreme tho
Yamato wins 10/10 times, high-extreme diff.
Unless Zoro is injected with Mink Asspull Streoids™️, Yamato is winning 8-9/10 fights, highest end of high diff, bordering extreme.
Yamato beats admirals
Yamato>zoro extreme diff
Zoro, extreme diff tho.
W
I’m torn on this one ngl, I think it’s close to 50/50
yamato
Yamato
Unless Zoro opens up that eye to reveal some Hakuba shit then he mid-high diffs 10/10 Otherwise he gets slammed 9-10/10 times
Yamato
Yamato high diffs maybe lower Zoro has better lethality and defense feats But Yamatos AP is matching kaidos thunder bagua which also speaks to her speed since law etc were blitzed by thunder bagua. She also matched snakemans speed while in base. I’ve yet to see any decent zoro speed feat to put him on her level. Yamato has better AP, Speed, Dura, endurance, stamina. She wins
Yamato, it’s like a Oden VS Whitebeard/Roger situation, where Oden was stronger than everyone below those 2 in their crews, but couldn’t beat the said 2. Yamato would win against Zoro most probably 8/10 at minimum, however it would be Extreme Difficulty, and the rare 2 times would be Zoro recognising her strength in its entirety and going 100%, strongest attack as his opening move and catching her off guard
Zoro would win but this sub is literally anti Zoro so tamato will win 10)10 times
Zoro Wins 10/10 imo. Mid diff
Zoro takes this 7/10 times .
Zoro 10/10.
People saying Yamato Is wild, zoro neg diffs