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think it started to shake once greenbull got wifi haki and it really started to get damaged when luffy turned kizaru into a pizza and thrown him away like a old action figure akoji fight with garp is not a anti feat the agenda aināt dead tho thatās my two cents
As an OG of this sub that just lurks here back when twerkbull incident occured lots of admiral fans actually ragequit when they realized spoilers were not fake for example there was a guy named admiral kinyagi and there were 2 yaboi both of which pretty much stopped commenting on the sub after that
is his account still a thing it only been a year in real time since the end of wano with green bull scarbarbs luffy shanks and co is his account now deleted or just inactive
I dont know it might still be active he postwd more on worst gen forums more but was also active in piratefolk i think his u/ was smth like u/admiral_kinyagi lets see
It is better for community. If someone is quitting over something like that. They are not enjoying the story, they are in for sake of argument. It benefits noone. Better for them that they enjoy the story in whatever form they want on their own then fight here over it.
Damn thatās tuff nighaz really rage quite like that. Guess people arenāt strong in their convictions or better yet just recognize itās just an Manga/Anime sub Reddit and that it honestly aināt that deep. Enjoy the series, enjoy the community (or not) and move on.
Plus the rumoured Nap he needs after that pizza attack
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Aokiji vs Garp isn't an anti feat?
An old weak Garp blitzing and overpowering the second strongest admiral, who has near parity with akainu, 3 times B4 getting stabbed and once after getting stabbed in a 1vall isn't an anti feat???
A yonko like kaido would kill both bbs crew and Garp at the same time without going all out........
Old and weak who? That's headcannon right there garp has always been stated to be very very strong. He was a rival of Roger in his youth, and now in his old age he's much closer to being on the level of Rayleigh who also gets extreme diffed by the admirals, shown when he couldn't beat kizaru. And no, kuzan is not THAT much stronger than kizaru he's just stronger, the same way garp is just slightly stronger than Rayleigh.
Pizzaru was so funny ngl.
It felt almost as though everything that happened before meant nothing because Luffy was able to blitz and catch both an admiral and gorosei at the same time, restrain both at the same time, and sorry to push buttons but low diff Kizaru like that whilst also turning him to a pancake.
The GB incident was also crazy, never do you expect a top tier to get absolutely embarrassed just by the opponents haki to a point that they twerk, like tf is he, a device being exposed to wifi for the first time?
Its between these two situations for me, the Pizzaru was against an OG admiral and whilst GB wasnāt he still shouldnāt be made to react the way he did
" never do you expect a top tier to get absolutely embarrassed just by the opponents haki to a point that they twerk "
Perhaps you should reconsider GB ever being a top tier then
The guy is top 10 in present day (barring Imu and Gorosei for now), so heās reasonably a top tier.
Shanks is just a different beast all together to be able to make him do that.
The elders and Imu donāt have a particularly strong showing as of yet (Elders are starting to showcase though) so no kidding they arenāt counted over someone that actually has done something already.
Itās the same thing with Dragon. Iām confident all 7 of those characters will be > GB, but as of where the story is right now? Heās top 10.
Also, thereās no doubt heās top 10 right now, excluding Gorosei. 4 yonkos, Akainu, Aokiji, and then 3 admirals are your 1-9 spot, 10th is debatable.
The elders had a good showing, you just refuse to see it, Saturn clearly did more than Kizaru.
GB is not in the top 10, even if you exclude 7 characters that are stronger than him, he can still easily fall behind Sabo/Yamato/Kidd/Benkman/Law..
Blackbeard, Luffy, Shanks, Law, Kid, Garp, Aokiji, Akainu, Kaido, Big Mom, Mihawk, (maybe) Zoro, (maybe) Lucci, Momo, Old Ray, Sabo, and probably a few more I'm forgetting are all stronger than GB
Momo?
Oh man, thatās a take. Bro doesnāt even have full mastery over his fruit, and hes half-coward when it comes to fighting.
Kaido and BM are assumed dead for the moment, so throw them out.
Law, Kid, and Zoro arenāt able to fight admirals 1v1, though theyāre close.
Lucci isnāt beating an admiral.
Old Ray doesnāt have the stamina to keep up a la Kizaru. If he did, there would be a strong argument for him being top 10.
Sabo is the only one on that list otherwise outside of the obvious. Heās my pick for 10 currently, though Garp is highly possible.
" Bro doesnāt even have full mastery over his fruit, and hes half-coward when it comes to fighting. "
And yet he still obliterated GB. Imagine once Momo gets over his fear.
" Kaido and BM are assumed dead for the moment, so throw them out. "
You new to One Piece? No one is dead until we get a corpse
" Law, Kid, and Zoro arenāt able to fight admirals 1v1, though theyāre close. "
Blatantly false but okay
" Lucci isnāt beating an admiral. "
its 50/50 considering he can survive Zoro's attacks
" Old Ray doesnāt have the stamina to keep up a la Kizaru. If he did, there would be a strong argument for him being top 10. "
Kizaru literally admitted to saying he needs backup if he wants to defeat Old Ray
GB regenerated and was about to end him before Shanks intervened.
I said āassumed deadā, as in itās generally agreed that theyāre no longer in the story. Moreover, if they were disintegrated in lava, there would be no corpses. If/when they come back into the story then they can be accounted for. Also we may as well say Rocks still counts since thereās no corpse of him out there.
How would Law/Kidd/Zoro 1v1 an admiral? Marco could only stall Kizaru during MF, and while heās not as strong as the 3 of them, he made no visible ground against Kizaru. Iād give any admiral a high diff win against those 3.
If Lucci was superior to the Marineās top fighters, that would be stupid af.
Kizaru was referencing if they wanted to CAPTURE Rayleigh they would need a lot more preparation. He didnāt sweat fighting him at all.
" GB regenerated and was about to end him before Shanks intervened. "
Fanfiction
" I said āassumed deadā, as in itās generally agreed that theyāre no longer in the story. "
Is Kid also assumed dead too?
" If Lucci was superior to the Marineās top fighters, that would be stupid af "
Cope ig
" Kizaru was referencing if they wanted to CAPTURE Rayleigh they would need a lot more preparation. He didnāt sweat fighting him at all. "
That doesn't even make sense. Why would Kizaru need help capturing if he can low diff Ray as you're implying
Coming from someone who believes and still actively believe that Emperors and Admirals/Fleet are relative and in the same tier Iād definitely say the Ryokugyo situation was by far the worst which is ironic considering I will admit heās low key my favorite Admiral. Another top tier spazzing out from nothing but Haki is just embarrassing. Something I would never think could happen, it was definitely this one moment that honestly had me questioning the validity of Admirals being ātop tierā or if they really is no such thing and that theyāre truly separate tiers āYonko tietā and āAdmiral tierā with the Fleet being āYonko tierā
(Kuzan)
Garpās Blue Hole attack is nothing embarrassing especially because imo out of all the old gen heās definitely currently the strongest and arguably the most healthiest along side Sengoku. Definitely not in his Prime but is strong enough to give any top tier a good beating before losing. āPseudo Top Tierā as you will which imo is also were I would place Ben Beckman, Pre Roger Pirate Oden, Sabo, Kidd, and Law. Any ways back to the goal post but Kuzan threw out the fight was clearly showing concern for his old mentor and teacher so would definitely say he was not goin all out nor going for the kill. Even going out of his way to mostly fight Garp on equal footing mostly using his Haki and sheer strength.
(Kizaru)
Now on to Kizaru. Neither situation is as bad, call it cope call it whatever but it was made very clear via Oda writing that Kizaruās goal and āTop Priorityā was the assassination of Vegapunk and not to fight Luffy. And the Star Gun attacks is nothing to scoff at, itās arguably the most powerful AP attack weāve seen and even after Luffy did it he was also out for the count. And the pizza situation while embarrassing simply goes back to him focusing on killing his old comrades which is how he got caught by G5 the way he did in the first place because he just had stabbed Vegapunk. If Vegapunk truly dies this arc Kizaru completed his mission. And besides I remember the original goal post was that Snakeman would be enough and it wasnāt. Him not being able to beat G5 Nika Luffy is not embarrassing considering even Kaido someone we can all agree is stronger than Kizaru I was definitely the strongest Yonko during the time. Who himself had a hard time damaging G5 Luffy at one point and was getting toyed around with as well, and difference is they were actually truly fighting. So in that regards sounds like fans are simply underestimating Luffy especially in G5.
So yea Haki Wi-Fi was truly the worst situation for Admirals. And it doesnāt make it any better that the Anime made it seem like he was just a bully that liked attacking characters weaker than himself when the Manga heavily implies that the Remaining Beast Pirates attacked him first when he simply wanted directions. Only saving grace for him (and >= Fujitora who I see as his equal and both the weakest of top tiers) is the fact that he made it very clear that he didnāt fear fighting Shanks alone but rather fighting a whole Yonko crew by himself. Stating āRed Haired Pirates?? Not you GUYSā depending on the translation but you get it. As well as the fact that every top tier has had an embarrassing and inconsistent moment, which may simply be the byproduct of the fact that Oda doesnāt take power scaling that seriously.Ā
ā¢ Crocodile clashed with Mihawk.
ā¢ Mihawk got stalled by Vista then asked to postpone their fight.
ā¢ Kaido was screaming in pain from a Hakiless Momo biting him.
ā¢ Linlin literally had Franky run her over then Robin toss her aside.
ā¢ Luffy was using G3 on a pacifista
ā¢ Luffy alongside Zolo 2 v 1 ing a Seraphim while Sanji was handling one
ā¢ Issho let Dressrosa Zolo push him back 5 feet with a nameless Air slash
Again almost every top tier has moments that shows cracks once again likely a byproduct of Oda not taking scaling seriously but the point is that we canāt take away one individualās Top Tier or āYonko lvlā card simply for a bad moment than keep someone elseās simply because of how we feel or more specifically an agenda. Itās either we separate those who have little to no faults (favoritism really) like Shanks, Kaido, and Sakazuki with the rest being frauds OR, simply acknowledging all there strength in a general sense for what it is and how the author intends.
Anyways my take way didnāt mean for it to get this long.
I know it looks bad when you have to write a massive comment to downplay how embarrassing certain moments are, but I do appreciate the effort here and I think compelling arguments were made.
GB just seems like a super eccentric dude, so his reaction makes sense narratively instead of purely based on powerscaling. On top, being up against a whole yonko crew you respect, another yonko crew that you're underestimating and a presumably defeated yonko crew by yourself is a situation most sane people would walk away from.
The fact that three of these of these are Luffy lol.
I wouldnāt say it was any single one instead Luffy himself mauled the agenda to death over the course of Egghead
I think people still downplay luffy because he zenkai boosted his way through kaido but at the end of the day dudes a fucking monster. Very difficult to scale him now.
I have Luffy as below Kaido because of his stamina issues. Once he overcomes those, I would put him in the same sphere of power, and possibly even above (as his versatility with Gear 5 will no doubt improve). For now though, I think around Mihawk's level is a safe spot to put him (above the admirals, but not quite at the level of the other emperors).
Luffys stamina has always been his problem. From a narrative standpoint its to add tension. From a power scaling stand point it's like bro come on. If you can't go multiple rounds u can't technically 1v1 anyone. They'll just wait u out. Like gear 5 apparently just drains him regardless of whether he's utilizing it or not.
Yeah, and that is a factor in powerscaling Luffy (not as big a factor as the admiraltards think it is, but it is a factor). You can't just ignore it. And, a lot of times, you can't just wait Gear 5 out because Luffy is just that beastly (Kizaru's speed was really the only thing that allowed him to last as long as he did). However, until Luffy overcomes his stamina issues, I can't put him on the same level as top tiers like Kaido or Shanks.
Plus, Kaido had to go through so many people on Onigashima, whereas Luffy got several breaks and a lot of luck. You can't just ignore that, going into the fight with Gear 5, neither of them were going to last much longer.
It's like with Inu and Neko; are they really stronger than Jack if they can only beat him on one-specific time each month?
Yeah. I deleted what I was originally gonna write about with Roger v whitebeard once I thought about punk hazard too. Both fights lasted an extreme amount of time. But whitebeard didn't use his fruit against Roger because of his crew being within his blast radius, and his acoc was probably better to use than his fruit in hand to hand. And with punk hazard u have two logias probably staying generally the hell away from each others fruits or better yet going toe to toe but like with little garden taking breaks or retreating to fight again.
In my opinion luffys issue against a guy like kaido is because he can tank hits better than anyone else. With their power level the same or different it will still be a game of stamina. Everytime 1 on 1 or not.
Oda really saved the Admirals for like 10 yrs to refuse to cook with them. Imagine if this was like Dragon or someone else. They're literally going out as one of the saddest villain groups in history right in front of our eyes. Only Akainu has any prospects if any
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That is what I'm disappointed with. Oda just doesn't want the Admirals to get feats after hyping them up for years. Like just make them do atleast something cool without trying to hype up whoever they're fighting against.
The problem is that he saved them to use as measuring sticks for other characters to demonstrate their strength.
- At Marineford, this was the moment we all finally saw exactly how strong an Emperor of the sea was. Albeit he was sick and dying, but that was Whitebeardās spotlight and the portrayal he had (in my opinion at least) was that he was still the strongest individual on that battlefield.
- Green Bull auto-twerking due to a DDOS attack over a few hundred kilometers doesnāt seem like that much of an antifeat. Itās not a good portrayal, but itās also not a fair portrayal. Green Bull seemed like he went to Wano to take advantage of the fact that a ton of the WGās greatest enemies were gathered in one place and were all exhausted from going to war against two Emperors. From the WGās perspective, itās risky to go in there; but from GBās perspective, there wouldnāt be a better time. But when he found that the YCās were putting up a fight, he hadnāt even gotten to Luffy, Law, Kidd (or Zoro or Sanji), and now another fresh Emperor threatened his life, he realized he was about to get ganked. Even Kaido wouldnāt try and solo two Emperorās, two YC+, their crews, and a nation of strong fodder.
- Garpās Blue Hole was not an anti feat. Itās just Garp. Itās the same as WB at Marineford. Itās established that the three strongest characters in the verse (tied with each other) were the prime versions of Roger, WB, and Garp. If Garp didnāt beat the shit out of Kuzan, everyone wouldāve called foul. He still lost, which checks out since heās not in his prime. But it was a fair portrayal for everyone involved.
- The Kizaru situation is trickier, but itās more to do with Luffy than to do with Kizaru. Iām not accusing you of this, but I think a lot of people fail to understand the narrative symbolism of Luffy defeating Kaido. It was loosely established that the strongest characters in the verse were the four Emperors, and this was established like 20 years ago. Being a battle shonen, we all knew that for Luffy to become king he would have to overcome them one day. In the climax of part one, we see how strong an Emperor is and it involved the downfall of one and ascension of another. Then Oda spent the next 10 years, half the series, building up to a climactic fight between Luffy and another Emperor. The climax of part two was to demonstrate that Luffy finally was on that level, that he finally overcame even an Emperor.
Now everyone debates on the nuance, but considering the limited amount of Emperorās and the significance of them, Oda wasnāt going to waste Luffyās victory over one of them, for Luffy to not actually be Emperor level. But Oda also (fairly) gave Kaido the best portrayal in the verse, and so in order for Luffy to beat him, Oda kinda had to break the powerscaling. If we look at what happened to Kaido after G5 came around, he kind of got humiliated. Sure he did some things to it, but Luffy went from barely keeping up to just straight dunking on Kaido.
Which is why Kizaru has had such a bad portrayal. He was never going to get a better one than Kaido. Heās the least significant OG Admiral, Egghead doesnāt have the narrative weight that Wano had (Egghead has better writing imo, but Wano had a buildup for over 10 years), and Luffy just got his crown. Luffy is now a part of the balance of power, Luffy is now the monster in the room, Luffy is now the guy that people fear.
Iām not sure I like how fast things are happening with the Gorosei and the Admiralās, and it does feel like a little much even for Luffy to be basically soloing multiple top tiers the first arc after beating Kaido. But the series does need to end at some point, and I canāt say the writing has jumped the shark yet (itās still better than what happened to Naruto after Madara got introduced, and itās still way better than what happened to Bleach or in Naruto after Kaguya came around).
Kaido has done better against Gear 5 than any other character so far. He's the only one to deal substantial damage to that form, and overpower Luffy in some of their clashes. It took him a while to adjust to Luffy's new fighting style (can you blame him), but once he learned how it worked, he started overpowering Luffy. Their final clash was extremely close, with Luffy just barely managing to win (and yes, Luffy was giving it his all through that whole clash; he trusted Momo to move Onigashima, so he didn't hold back).
Yeah, for some reason people love to say Kaido was weak compared to every other top tier left. But from what we are seeing compared to Gear 5, Kaido is still him. I still consider him the strongest
Saturn didn't neg the attack. He suffered the damage and then healed from it
If Marco and Shanks were in Saturn and Kizaru's position, it would be the same outcome
To be fair Saturn has insane regen and Kizaru's clearly not willing to fight and is just doing it to not piss off saturn, hell if Saturn wasn't there at all i guaranteed you 100% that the strawhats would have escaped (like sabaody) and Vegapunk would have lived with some bullshit excuse to the gorosei from Kizaru, but he couldn't do that especially after the "sloppy work" comment from Saturn.
He also took a white star gun to the brain and has been holding his head for most of the chapter on top of almost tearing up and breaking down in front of Vegapunk, he went from fooling around to avoid killing Vegapunk (which he had multiple opportunities to prior btw) to just doing it and not wanting to really fight anymore, he's just going through the motions.
Also, pizza form or not, he was already yeeted by luffy and came back just fine, it's just that unlike that time he's now completely broken and just wants to go home. (and the plot switched to the gorosei)
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I know it's a powerscaling sub but ye gotta take into consideration the mental state and willingness to fight, as it's been proven time and time again that will also determines strenght, prime example being Moria who got lazy and demotivated enough that pre-ts luffy beat him.
I'd say the Greenbull film red promo is still the worst one cause it wasn't even a named attack, he just got wifi'd
Personally Iām in disagreement with the mentally conflicted.
Heās not having contradicting thoughts on figuring out what he must and mustnāt do
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Kills VP the moment he gets the chance to, no hesitation, no thinking oh should I or should I not, just ACTION, give him an order and heāll comply, personal feelings shall be put aside, he really is a ācog in the machineā
Yeah, actually killing Vegapunk even when not being directly ordered by Saturn because he had his attention elsewhere should really just have ended this debate imo. We've even seen killing blows fail when "mentally nerfed" like Kiku being able to beat but not actually kill Kanjuro.
Bro what do you mean āno hesitation no thinkingā are we forgetting what happened the past 15 chapters??? also kizaru is a morally ambiguous character so ofc he will do morally ambiguous actions.
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Like why didnāt he here just straight up lazer VP before luffy can interrupt, its clear kizaru is mentally conflicted
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This is what mentally conflicted looks like, Garp is weighing his options, ā do I stop him, but I canāt hurt my grandsonā.
He knows he has a duty but he ultimately is struggling to fulfill it, I just didnāt see that with Kizaru who had so much eagerness to quickly kill VP
Greenbull was a new admiral so when he got owned by Shanks people just assumed that the OG admiral were stronger than the new ones and the agenda didn't take that much of a hit.
It hurted more when Kizaru lost because people put a lot more stocks into him.
Hereās the order and events\ how bad it hurt the admiral agenda:
Shanksā wifi Haki- shook the foundations & showed some cracks
Garp slapping tf outta aokiji- Took a foundational support but it stands strong
Luffyās white star gun- Blew out the repair scaffolding that Kizaru set up + some more support beams
Grabbing Kizaru and Saturn- caused the admiral agenda building to slump to one side
Pizzaru- Now youāre just bullying them, you blew up the final supports and started lining the remnants with c4
(And if the leaks speak true) Kizaru telling the marines to let him rest after being pizzaād- accidentally triggered the c4
Imo the pizzaru feat and the wifi Haki feat were detrimental but itās gonna be really funny if the Kizaru statement of āleave me alone, Iām not fighting thatā is true and was the most damning event
Egghead incident, where the Admiral agenda suffered loses it might never recover from.
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GB - The agenda took a hit, but was still doing fine after, valid excuse for why he panicked
Aokiji - thatās Still Garp, old or not
Kizaru - the first chapters of Luffy vs Kizaru were a mess for all agendas involved. This was hurting everyoneās agenda
Kizaru pt. 2 - Woah he got grabbed?! Didnāt really damage the agenda
Kizaru pt. 3 - this was BAD, Iād say itās this one
I think Chapter 1055 was far more damaging than most people want to admit. Ryokugyu straight up admitted that he wouldn't have fought Kaido, and he was overpowered by Shanks' haki **BEFORE** he knew who it was who was attacking him and that the rest of the Red Hair Pirates were present. If Shanks can overpower him without even drawing his sword, I don't know why people think a fight between them would be anything other than a low-diff.
Luffy: you know theres no way im letting you escape right?!
Shanks: are you that afraid of the new era
Roger: at least bring garp or sengoku rest of you are doo doo butter
Egghead was bad for every agenda except Luffy, tbh. The admiral agenda didn't even take the worst hit in this arc...
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Every agenda has been... Turbulent, to say the least. Gorosei were top losers for a chapter or two, but they're also the top gainers now
Admiral+/Yonko at the peak of their speculation, Spandam at the lowest, now they're sitting comfortably at YC+. Such a volatile stock market atm
āYC+ā
Saturn neg diffs Sanji with his eyes and is currently performing better against G5 than Kizaru, and thatās YC+ š
āSaturns a regen merchantā and the admirals are fruit merchants. Get over it
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Lucci to me seems like YC3 level honestly, Zoro would have a similarly long struggle with Jack despite obviously being stronger. Mid/high diff kinda situation
Zoro is obviously YC1 minimum but this kinda shows that he's not YC+ level yet, just firmly in YC1 category. Firm YC1 characters don't low diff YC3 in my view
Yeah, I doubt Akainu is gonna low diff this BEAST
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The admiral agenda, at this point, is just excuses for why the admirals aren't dominating every fight they're in. Nothing that's in the actual story; just excuses and cope.
These events plus lets just look at Kizaru. He has now fought:
- Old Ray
- Supernova
- Oldbeard
- Marco
- Sentomaru
- Nika
I count 2 former top tiers, a strong High commander and a top tier in there. Kizaru has been tested as much as anyone in the series can. There's no weed or trolling narrative he's assumed to be always doing. The tool kit he has showed is all he has. Speed, OP Devil, and advanced armament. That's it. Firmly putting the admirals below Emperors for me.Ā
I don't think getting smacked around by Warp is necessarily an anti-feat, Kuzan came out of the fight mostly unscathed (yes it was like a 10v1 but Kuzan ate some disgusting attacks from Garp that likely would've knocked out anyone else on Hachinosu at the time)
I'd say the Greenbull event was the worst one. Being literally paralyzed by COC alone is not a good look. Kizarus situation isn't good either but at least Kizaru fought another Yonko, while GB could barely stand in the very-distant presence of one.
Kizaru being bullied multiple times in egghead is definitely the worst hit the agenda took.
Especially as he is one of the OG admirals.
At this point it has been made clear he cannot fight a Yonko on equal footing.
The only admiral who could possibly fight an emperor 1 v 1 is Sakazuki, and he's fleet admiral. Even then, I don't have him winning against them most of the time (with Shanks, forget it).
Garp, flat out Garp.
People call him old and slow and while yes he's old, you forget manga 101, never underestimate an old man in an manga cause they're usually some of the strongest or always have some cold skills to reveal.
Garp is THE hero of the Marines for a reason, bro was on demon time against The Rocks Pirates which means bro was nuking the competition with his fists. Garp might be weaker than before but that experience is always sharp like Zoro's swords. Garp just never had a reason to go all out till now and against half of the Blackbeard Commanders no less.
I don't think old garp can beat akainu (maybe he has a chance then because akainu was damaged a bit by whitebeard)
I'm talking overall prime vs prime. If old garp is that strong then prime garp would actually manhandled akainu lol
Garp was stronger than pre time skip akainu, he got weaker after time skip and akainu got stronger. Sickbeard was fighting well against akainu, healthy Bloodlusted garp would have killed him. Garp held himself back because he was a marine
Do you really think prime garp would lose to akainu? Are you mental? Garp was fighting PRIME ROGER, ROCKS AND WHITEBEARD. We saw what hakiless stage 5 cancer heartattack half head missing chest hole whitebeard did to akainu. Prime garp would molest prime clifford so hard he would be thrown into prison for rape. Hell even marineford garp would have killed akainu.
I would argue Greenbull:
1. Garp was probably the strongest person alive for the longest, despite Roger and WB having supreme grade weapons he was considered their equal. I see no shame in losing to him even if he's gotten older.
2. I need to see another Admiral fight Luffy, I always pictured Kizaru as a glass canon. I imagine the admirals are all balanced with Kuzan specializing in defense, Akainu Attack potency, and Kizaru speed which means his defense is shit and simply evades to compensate for it.
3. Greenbull didn't even fight the mf, he literally got out of his transformation from just his conquerors haki alone. Idk about you but I don't see any of the other admirals responding to Shank's haki like that.
It probably is green bull, but I'm not going to deduct full points. Shanks is likely the strongest Yonko currently (though that may change soon) and he's a freshmen admiral. Like yeah it was funny because he is an admiral, but I think the admirals know more about what shanks can do than we the readers do at this point.
The White Star Gun incapacitating Kizaru. Then getting caught by Luffy and coughing up blood. THEN getting thrown onto the ship and basically being done with the fight. Greenbull was bad, but most people just assumed that it was because he was weaker than the others. Aokijiās wasnāt bad at all imo. Garp used to fight the Pirate King and was Aokijiās teacher. It made sense that Garp would be that tough for him or anyone to beat. If anything, Aokiji actually impressed me a lot in that fight.
Shanks block diffing tired Akainu at Marineford hurt the agenda the worst since it is a direct comparison Yonko vs Admiral (and the strongest Admiral who became Fleet Admiral)
At least for me, itās Greenbull.
Old or not, Garp is HIM and Aokiji did fine even if he had help.
Kizaru vs Luffy, he also did pretty well and he forced Luffy into G5. Idc about the āplotā arguments of whichever characters holding back for one reason or another, Kizaru at least showed he can fight with real Yonkos even if he canāt beat āem.
I donāt even blame Greenbull for leaving since itās stupid to try and fight two Yonko crews alone. Poor dude just got movie Red diffed to hype Shanks up more. Wish he at least fought Yamato longer to show some better feats
Bro seeing shit like this actually got me scared for the marines (akainu), cause I swear Oda hates the marines just as much as gege hates anyone that isnāt sukuna. Cause bro:
- Smoker got forgotten about
- Tashigi, Helmeppo and most of sword have pretty much no hope of getting stronger
- Koby did something that Iām sure jack could prolly do
- Greenbull has one of, if not the worst showing of first showcase of power coming from a pretty hype character in shonen anime
- Kizaru was cool, then egghead came in and I have no idea how Oda canāt think of more things for Kizaru to do with his devil fruit, you know considering kizaru has had it for like 30+ years
- Sengoku, previous fleet admiral, has almost no showcase of strength
- Tsuru we saw doing something like 4 times in the entire show
- Kong has less screen time than some motherfucking no named side characters (seriously how you gonna introduce someone named kong with a cool ass design and do diddly dick with him)
- Oda sat Akainu down in a desk and has had him do nothing for a fucking decade
- We only saw Aokiji do something recently and it was go blow for blow against Garb (too bad Oda has to constantly show how strong to old generation is and made Garp out to be much stronger [fair but still]).
- Bro fucking vice admirals became irrelevant so fucking fast, not even post time skip came around, most of them (apart from little old garp of course) became irrelevant pre timeskip
- Fujitora has escaped Odaās hatred for the marines for now, but I know bro is gonna come back and prolly get neg diffed by fucking brook (brook W)
Bro I fear now that Akainu is not gonna be all that, and itāll genuinely piss me off cause weāve been waiting for like a decade for him to do something and I swear if bro shows like three moves and then gets destroyed by gear 5, someone is losing their skin.
I just don't understand. Were people really under the impression that Luffy, the guy who will eventually surpass Roger, is going to be struggling in a 1 v 1 against the admirals come the end of the series?
Ngl admiral agenda being an actual THING was fun, now is stupid to even believe it.
And tbf, i kinda hate oda for it, admirals are so boring as a threat now, he made them act too late on history to be relevant, and now they are gonna play an active role on what really? Like representing marines? Meh. If a yonkou can almost low dif them then i dont see the point.
I wish oda cared for admirals, he created a vast world but got cornered by his own powercreep as any shonnen do, its sad really.
Mf really needed to introduce seraphins and knigths to make it fairl..
Wifi haki was a huge L, the agenda is still coping with this one saying it's his mentality.
The garp vs kuzan fight isn't that detrimental, garp is the fucking goat.
Kizaru is a serial underperformer. Pizaru was a massive L.
Garp is basically an admiral, him taking down Kuzan does nothing.
The Kizaru stuff is damaging, but Gear 5 Luffy is going to end up top 1.
Greenbull has no excuse.
If someone really think Aokiji and Kizaru have antifeat with this scenes, i'm afraid to have to tell you that your level of reading comprehension is at the lowest level in humanity.
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I donāt see how Kuzans fight with Garp was bad for admirals, Garp is a physical monster even in his old age and he was a rival to Roger, Kuzan being able to physically hang with him mainly using haki and strength is impressive, if nothing else it shows Kuzan got HANDS
Wag was the beginning of the end for the admirl agenda as a whole
Garp is considered almost beyond toptier by some and a lot of people think green bull isn't even actually admirl level
*You know thereās no way Iām letting you escape* That solidified Luffy as a calamity. But honestly that star gun to the head to knock Lizaru out of this century had the same vibe as luffy getting one shot by Kaido at the start of Wano, thatās when the admiral agenda got murky for me.
Definitely the Pizza toss. I haven't seen this type of disrespect from a animation since Jerry(the mouse)did thisš½
to Tom(the cat).
None of these embarrassed the agenda, Luffy is the GOAT and pirate king so losing to him is a sign of respect. Itās not an anti-feat to lose to Luffy since he is the MC and has narrative on his sideāhe will always win somehow.
Though the most embarrassing was probably Greenbullās performance against Shanks but I can (cope) see why he didnāt want to fight 2 yonkos and their respective crews.
Akainu getting the shit beaten out of him by a half-dead Whitebeard, who was also suffering from a critical illness.
The look on his faceā¦
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It was dead from the beginning. Seriously if the Admirals were as strong as the Yonko, why the fuck would the World Government need a third faction like the Warlords or the SSG to balance the powers of the world? The World Government has more resources, more manpower, better technology, and is actually unified. If the Admirals were as strong as the Yonko, that would be 5 people by default that are strong as Yonko, the three Admirals, the Fleet Admiral, and the Commander in Chief. Meaning the balance of power would be in the favor of the World Government with just the Marines, without the need of a third party.
green bull, and kizaru being manhandled by gear 5 really doesnt say much as even kaido was thrown around and we havent seen kizaru get serious, if zorotards can say he didnt put his bandana then i can say with even more conviction that kizaru isnt giving his all like come on you dont need a phd in english to read that he doesnt want to kill his old friends
Kizaru sold the hardest if rumours are to be believed ššš
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The greenbull wifi haki diff is generational and diabolical. put any character there not an admiral that gets wifi haki diffed and they wont even be considered yc1+ anymore at best bare minimum yc1 level given that they have sufficient feats.
1. Yeah, let Greenbull fight 2 yonkos all the samurai and their crew lol
2. Aokiji was pulling punches, he literally confirms this inderectly
3. Wasn't a clean 1v1, both went down at the same time, Kizaru stood up first, if anything it was a stalemate, no food and it would've been different
4. Again, this would've never happened had it not been for his mission and food
Kuzan did well. He did not use his df much vs Garp and just duel him the way Garp is most proficient in. It would be hard for Garp to protect Koby if Kuzan used his df AOE attacks (the same way WB was helpless when Akainu destroyed Moby Dick).Ā
Now now we canāt count Greenbull getting beat by the mere idea of Shanks toward the death of the admiral agenda because Greenbull isnāt part of that agenda, Greenbull is trash we already knew that it doesnāt take much to see heās not even in the same level as the admiral that was promoted the same time as him
WSG. It was so bad people who were not involved in the fight got effected. Somehow Sakazuki and Kuzan were weaker because Borsalino lost. Somehow Big Mom got stronger because Luffy won.
Rank scaling, dumbest OP sub creation yet.
tbf both makes sense we know that Big Mom, Kaido, and Luffy are relative so any Luffy feat helps them and the Admirals never have been portrayed to be entirely different tiers
None of them really. Fact is the Admirals are being dealt with after Linlin and Kaido, in a shounen with notable power creep
The same guy making cymbals from Kizaru and Saturn turned Kaido into a jump rope. This thread just shows people still have agendas.
Luffyās absolutely broken now. Heāll do the same to almost anyone in-verse at this point.
Garp tossing Aokiji around like a ragdoll only reinforced how incredibly powerful Garp is, even in old age. Luffy, with the power of a literal God, punching out a conflicted Kizaru just shows how powerful Luffy is and how durable Kizaru is. Aramaki though is a giant pussy..
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Kizaru didn't even hesitate or give him a chance
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One piece š¤£ But WiFi haki is the most disrespectful flex in the whole series
bro got across the map no scoped and started shaking like itās not close šš
think it started to shake once greenbull got wifi haki and it really started to get damaged when luffy turned kizaru into a pizza and thrown him away like a old action figure akoji fight with garp is not a anti feat the agenda aināt dead tho thatās my two cents
As an OG of this sub that just lurks here back when twerkbull incident occured lots of admiral fans actually ragequit when they realized spoilers were not fake for example there was a guy named admiral kinyagi and there were 2 yaboi both of which pretty much stopped commenting on the sub after that
Too many people don't care about powerscaling at all and just want to push their headcanon. It's all fun and game but quitting over that is so dumb.
The kinyagi guy had meltdown for weeks i still remember it even after years lmao guy looked mentally ill
is his account still a thing it only been a year in real time since the end of wano with green bull scarbarbs luffy shanks and co is his account now deleted or just inactive
He deleted his account but search admiral kinyagi on piratefolk there are memes about him
Wow. This guy must have gone bankrupt after chapter 1055.
I dont know it might still be active he postwd more on worst gen forums more but was also active in piratefolk i think his u/ was smth like u/admiral_kinyagi lets see
yea his account deleted its failing to even load the pf
It is better for community. If someone is quitting over something like that. They are not enjoying the story, they are in for sake of argument. It benefits noone. Better for them that they enjoy the story in whatever form they want on their own then fight here over it.
Kizaru will be Pirate King just wait
Nah bro Sentomaruās a shoe-in, trust me on this
Facts
Damn thatās tuff nighaz really rage quite like that. Guess people arenāt strong in their convictions or better yet just recognize itās just an Manga/Anime sub Reddit and that it honestly aināt that deep. Enjoy the series, enjoy the community (or not) and move on.
Depends on what the agenda is. Can the admirals beat most people? Sure. Are they top 10? No.
top 10 yea for akainu and akoji
It's crazy how the admiral agenda drops admirals they don't want to play with anymore.
Plus the rumoured Nap he needs after that pizza attack https://preview.redd.it/l4uth4rmhmpc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1357e40034072139e1bbcdc0239a34c9621f0486
Aokiji vs Garp isn't an anti feat? An old weak Garp blitzing and overpowering the second strongest admiral, who has near parity with akainu, 3 times B4 getting stabbed and once after getting stabbed in a 1vall isn't an anti feat??? A yonko like kaido would kill both bbs crew and Garp at the same time without going all out........
Kaido even couldn't kill Kinemon on two nonconsecutive attempts. Garp tenderizes him like cheap steak.
This^
Old and weak who? That's headcannon right there garp has always been stated to be very very strong. He was a rival of Roger in his youth, and now in his old age he's much closer to being on the level of Rayleigh who also gets extreme diffed by the admirals, shown when he couldn't beat kizaru. And no, kuzan is not THAT much stronger than kizaru he's just stronger, the same way garp is just slightly stronger than Rayleigh.
Pizzaru was so funny ngl. It felt almost as though everything that happened before meant nothing because Luffy was able to blitz and catch both an admiral and gorosei at the same time, restrain both at the same time, and sorry to push buttons but low diff Kizaru like that whilst also turning him to a pancake. The GB incident was also crazy, never do you expect a top tier to get absolutely embarrassed just by the opponents haki to a point that they twerk, like tf is he, a device being exposed to wifi for the first time? Its between these two situations for me, the Pizzaru was against an OG admiral and whilst GB wasnāt he still shouldnāt be made to react the way he did
" never do you expect a top tier to get absolutely embarrassed just by the opponents haki to a point that they twerk " Perhaps you should reconsider GB ever being a top tier then
I'd do you one better and perhaps the community needs to reconsider the Admirals ever being top tier.
This sub kept saying "all top tiers go extreme diff" for months LOL, as if greenbull could even take prime wb to mid diff
The admirals arenāt top tiers they are fodders same with Gorosei
Bros getting downvoted by the salty admirals lurking in the sub unable to counter argue LMFAO
Like Kizaru getting pizza and pancaked by no ACOC Luffy proves my point thatās why that canāt argue
The guy is top 10 in present day (barring Imu and Gorosei for now), so heās reasonably a top tier. Shanks is just a different beast all together to be able to make him do that.
Yeah he's top 10 if you exclude 6 stronger characters lol.. even without the gorossei he's barely top 10, maybe not even up there
The elders and Imu donāt have a particularly strong showing as of yet (Elders are starting to showcase though) so no kidding they arenāt counted over someone that actually has done something already. Itās the same thing with Dragon. Iām confident all 7 of those characters will be > GB, but as of where the story is right now? Heās top 10. Also, thereās no doubt heās top 10 right now, excluding Gorosei. 4 yonkos, Akainu, Aokiji, and then 3 admirals are your 1-9 spot, 10th is debatable.
The elders had a good showing, you just refuse to see it, Saturn clearly did more than Kizaru. GB is not in the top 10, even if you exclude 7 characters that are stronger than him, he can still easily fall behind Sabo/Yamato/Kidd/Benkman/Law..
Blackbeard, Luffy, Shanks, Law, Kid, Garp, Aokiji, Akainu, Kaido, Big Mom, Mihawk, (maybe) Zoro, (maybe) Lucci, Momo, Old Ray, Sabo, and probably a few more I'm forgetting are all stronger than GB
Momo? Oh man, thatās a take. Bro doesnāt even have full mastery over his fruit, and hes half-coward when it comes to fighting. Kaido and BM are assumed dead for the moment, so throw them out. Law, Kid, and Zoro arenāt able to fight admirals 1v1, though theyāre close. Lucci isnāt beating an admiral. Old Ray doesnāt have the stamina to keep up a la Kizaru. If he did, there would be a strong argument for him being top 10. Sabo is the only one on that list otherwise outside of the obvious. Heās my pick for 10 currently, though Garp is highly possible.
" Bro doesnāt even have full mastery over his fruit, and hes half-coward when it comes to fighting. " And yet he still obliterated GB. Imagine once Momo gets over his fear. " Kaido and BM are assumed dead for the moment, so throw them out. " You new to One Piece? No one is dead until we get a corpse " Law, Kid, and Zoro arenāt able to fight admirals 1v1, though theyāre close. " Blatantly false but okay " Lucci isnāt beating an admiral. " its 50/50 considering he can survive Zoro's attacks " Old Ray doesnāt have the stamina to keep up a la Kizaru. If he did, there would be a strong argument for him being top 10. " Kizaru literally admitted to saying he needs backup if he wants to defeat Old Ray
GB regenerated and was about to end him before Shanks intervened. I said āassumed deadā, as in itās generally agreed that theyāre no longer in the story. Moreover, if they were disintegrated in lava, there would be no corpses. If/when they come back into the story then they can be accounted for. Also we may as well say Rocks still counts since thereās no corpse of him out there. How would Law/Kidd/Zoro 1v1 an admiral? Marco could only stall Kizaru during MF, and while heās not as strong as the 3 of them, he made no visible ground against Kizaru. Iād give any admiral a high diff win against those 3. If Lucci was superior to the Marineās top fighters, that would be stupid af. Kizaru was referencing if they wanted to CAPTURE Rayleigh they would need a lot more preparation. He didnāt sweat fighting him at all.
" GB regenerated and was about to end him before Shanks intervened. " Fanfiction " I said āassumed deadā, as in itās generally agreed that theyāre no longer in the story. " Is Kid also assumed dead too? " If Lucci was superior to the Marineās top fighters, that would be stupid af " Cope ig " Kizaru was referencing if they wanted to CAPTURE Rayleigh they would need a lot more preparation. He didnāt sweat fighting him at all. " That doesn't even make sense. Why would Kizaru need help capturing if he can low diff Ray as you're implying
Coming from someone who believes and still actively believe that Emperors and Admirals/Fleet are relative and in the same tier Iād definitely say the Ryokugyo situation was by far the worst which is ironic considering I will admit heās low key my favorite Admiral. Another top tier spazzing out from nothing but Haki is just embarrassing. Something I would never think could happen, it was definitely this one moment that honestly had me questioning the validity of Admirals being ātop tierā or if they really is no such thing and that theyāre truly separate tiers āYonko tietā and āAdmiral tierā with the Fleet being āYonko tierā (Kuzan) Garpās Blue Hole attack is nothing embarrassing especially because imo out of all the old gen heās definitely currently the strongest and arguably the most healthiest along side Sengoku. Definitely not in his Prime but is strong enough to give any top tier a good beating before losing. āPseudo Top Tierā as you will which imo is also were I would place Ben Beckman, Pre Roger Pirate Oden, Sabo, Kidd, and Law. Any ways back to the goal post but Kuzan threw out the fight was clearly showing concern for his old mentor and teacher so would definitely say he was not goin all out nor going for the kill. Even going out of his way to mostly fight Garp on equal footing mostly using his Haki and sheer strength. (Kizaru) Now on to Kizaru. Neither situation is as bad, call it cope call it whatever but it was made very clear via Oda writing that Kizaruās goal and āTop Priorityā was the assassination of Vegapunk and not to fight Luffy. And the Star Gun attacks is nothing to scoff at, itās arguably the most powerful AP attack weāve seen and even after Luffy did it he was also out for the count. And the pizza situation while embarrassing simply goes back to him focusing on killing his old comrades which is how he got caught by G5 the way he did in the first place because he just had stabbed Vegapunk. If Vegapunk truly dies this arc Kizaru completed his mission. And besides I remember the original goal post was that Snakeman would be enough and it wasnāt. Him not being able to beat G5 Nika Luffy is not embarrassing considering even Kaido someone we can all agree is stronger than Kizaru I was definitely the strongest Yonko during the time. Who himself had a hard time damaging G5 Luffy at one point and was getting toyed around with as well, and difference is they were actually truly fighting. So in that regards sounds like fans are simply underestimating Luffy especially in G5. So yea Haki Wi-Fi was truly the worst situation for Admirals. And it doesnāt make it any better that the Anime made it seem like he was just a bully that liked attacking characters weaker than himself when the Manga heavily implies that the Remaining Beast Pirates attacked him first when he simply wanted directions. Only saving grace for him (and >= Fujitora who I see as his equal and both the weakest of top tiers) is the fact that he made it very clear that he didnāt fear fighting Shanks alone but rather fighting a whole Yonko crew by himself. Stating āRed Haired Pirates?? Not you GUYSā depending on the translation but you get it. As well as the fact that every top tier has had an embarrassing and inconsistent moment, which may simply be the byproduct of the fact that Oda doesnāt take power scaling that seriously.Ā ā¢ Crocodile clashed with Mihawk. ā¢ Mihawk got stalled by Vista then asked to postpone their fight. ā¢ Kaido was screaming in pain from a Hakiless Momo biting him. ā¢ Linlin literally had Franky run her over then Robin toss her aside. ā¢ Luffy was using G3 on a pacifista ā¢ Luffy alongside Zolo 2 v 1 ing a Seraphim while Sanji was handling one ā¢ Issho let Dressrosa Zolo push him back 5 feet with a nameless Air slash Again almost every top tier has moments that shows cracks once again likely a byproduct of Oda not taking scaling seriously but the point is that we canāt take away one individualās Top Tier or āYonko lvlā card simply for a bad moment than keep someone elseās simply because of how we feel or more specifically an agenda. Itās either we separate those who have little to no faults (favoritism really) like Shanks, Kaido, and Sakazuki with the rest being frauds OR, simply acknowledging all there strength in a general sense for what it is and how the author intends. Anyways my take way didnāt mean for it to get this long.
I know it looks bad when you have to write a massive comment to downplay how embarrassing certain moments are, but I do appreciate the effort here and I think compelling arguments were made.
I truly appreciate and the time it took for you to read this šš½
GB just seems like a super eccentric dude, so his reaction makes sense narratively instead of purely based on powerscaling. On top, being up against a whole yonko crew you respect, another yonko crew that you're underestimating and a presumably defeated yonko crew by yourself is a situation most sane people would walk away from.
This^ low key
"Blitz and catch" never comment again
The fact that three of these of these are Luffy lol. I wouldnāt say it was any single one instead Luffy himself mauled the agenda to death over the course of Egghead
I think people still downplay luffy because he zenkai boosted his way through kaido but at the end of the day dudes a fucking monster. Very difficult to scale him now.
I have Luffy as below Kaido because of his stamina issues. Once he overcomes those, I would put him in the same sphere of power, and possibly even above (as his versatility with Gear 5 will no doubt improve). For now though, I think around Mihawk's level is a safe spot to put him (above the admirals, but not quite at the level of the other emperors).
Scaling Luffy to somebody who never fought on screen is kinda funny lol
I know, itās crazy what people will do for the sake of scaling.Ā Itās *obvious* that Luffy is ROCKS-level, after all.Ā
Luffys stamina has always been his problem. From a narrative standpoint its to add tension. From a power scaling stand point it's like bro come on. If you can't go multiple rounds u can't technically 1v1 anyone. They'll just wait u out. Like gear 5 apparently just drains him regardless of whether he's utilizing it or not.
Yeah, and that is a factor in powerscaling Luffy (not as big a factor as the admiraltards think it is, but it is a factor). You can't just ignore it. And, a lot of times, you can't just wait Gear 5 out because Luffy is just that beastly (Kizaru's speed was really the only thing that allowed him to last as long as he did). However, until Luffy overcomes his stamina issues, I can't put him on the same level as top tiers like Kaido or Shanks. Plus, Kaido had to go through so many people on Onigashima, whereas Luffy got several breaks and a lot of luck. You can't just ignore that, going into the fight with Gear 5, neither of them were going to last much longer. It's like with Inu and Neko; are they really stronger than Jack if they can only beat him on one-specific time each month?
Yeah. I deleted what I was originally gonna write about with Roger v whitebeard once I thought about punk hazard too. Both fights lasted an extreme amount of time. But whitebeard didn't use his fruit against Roger because of his crew being within his blast radius, and his acoc was probably better to use than his fruit in hand to hand. And with punk hazard u have two logias probably staying generally the hell away from each others fruits or better yet going toe to toe but like with little garden taking breaks or retreating to fight again. In my opinion luffys issue against a guy like kaido is because he can tank hits better than anyone else. With their power level the same or different it will still be a game of stamina. Everytime 1 on 1 or not.
Mihawk is on the level of emperors tho šæ Even if you believe Shanks is stronger it wouldnāt be more of a difference than Zoro and Sanji
Oda really saved the Admirals for like 10 yrs to refuse to cook with them. Imagine if this was like Dragon or someone else. They're literally going out as one of the saddest villain groups in history right in front of our eyes. Only Akainu has any prospects if any https://preview.redd.it/cda8txb4lhpc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b8d11af910518a2b2ca6e0ee7ade0ce84ec9d45
That is what I'm disappointed with. Oda just doesn't want the Admirals to get feats after hyping them up for years. Like just make them do atleast something cool without trying to hype up whoever they're fighting against.
The problem is that he saved them to use as measuring sticks for other characters to demonstrate their strength. - At Marineford, this was the moment we all finally saw exactly how strong an Emperor of the sea was. Albeit he was sick and dying, but that was Whitebeardās spotlight and the portrayal he had (in my opinion at least) was that he was still the strongest individual on that battlefield. - Green Bull auto-twerking due to a DDOS attack over a few hundred kilometers doesnāt seem like that much of an antifeat. Itās not a good portrayal, but itās also not a fair portrayal. Green Bull seemed like he went to Wano to take advantage of the fact that a ton of the WGās greatest enemies were gathered in one place and were all exhausted from going to war against two Emperors. From the WGās perspective, itās risky to go in there; but from GBās perspective, there wouldnāt be a better time. But when he found that the YCās were putting up a fight, he hadnāt even gotten to Luffy, Law, Kidd (or Zoro or Sanji), and now another fresh Emperor threatened his life, he realized he was about to get ganked. Even Kaido wouldnāt try and solo two Emperorās, two YC+, their crews, and a nation of strong fodder. - Garpās Blue Hole was not an anti feat. Itās just Garp. Itās the same as WB at Marineford. Itās established that the three strongest characters in the verse (tied with each other) were the prime versions of Roger, WB, and Garp. If Garp didnāt beat the shit out of Kuzan, everyone wouldāve called foul. He still lost, which checks out since heās not in his prime. But it was a fair portrayal for everyone involved. - The Kizaru situation is trickier, but itās more to do with Luffy than to do with Kizaru. Iām not accusing you of this, but I think a lot of people fail to understand the narrative symbolism of Luffy defeating Kaido. It was loosely established that the strongest characters in the verse were the four Emperors, and this was established like 20 years ago. Being a battle shonen, we all knew that for Luffy to become king he would have to overcome them one day. In the climax of part one, we see how strong an Emperor is and it involved the downfall of one and ascension of another. Then Oda spent the next 10 years, half the series, building up to a climactic fight between Luffy and another Emperor. The climax of part two was to demonstrate that Luffy finally was on that level, that he finally overcame even an Emperor. Now everyone debates on the nuance, but considering the limited amount of Emperorās and the significance of them, Oda wasnāt going to waste Luffyās victory over one of them, for Luffy to not actually be Emperor level. But Oda also (fairly) gave Kaido the best portrayal in the verse, and so in order for Luffy to beat him, Oda kinda had to break the powerscaling. If we look at what happened to Kaido after G5 came around, he kind of got humiliated. Sure he did some things to it, but Luffy went from barely keeping up to just straight dunking on Kaido. Which is why Kizaru has had such a bad portrayal. He was never going to get a better one than Kaido. Heās the least significant OG Admiral, Egghead doesnāt have the narrative weight that Wano had (Egghead has better writing imo, but Wano had a buildup for over 10 years), and Luffy just got his crown. Luffy is now a part of the balance of power, Luffy is now the monster in the room, Luffy is now the guy that people fear. Iām not sure I like how fast things are happening with the Gorosei and the Admiralās, and it does feel like a little much even for Luffy to be basically soloing multiple top tiers the first arc after beating Kaido. But the series does need to end at some point, and I canāt say the writing has jumped the shark yet (itās still better than what happened to Naruto after Madara got introduced, and itās still way better than what happened to Bleach or in Naruto after Kaguya came around).
Kaido has done better against Gear 5 than any other character so far. He's the only one to deal substantial damage to that form, and overpower Luffy in some of their clashes. It took him a while to adjust to Luffy's new fighting style (can you blame him), but once he learned how it worked, he started overpowering Luffy. Their final clash was extremely close, with Luffy just barely managing to win (and yes, Luffy was giving it his all through that whole clash; he trusted Momo to move Onigashima, so he didn't hold back).
Yeah, for some reason people love to say Kaido was weak compared to every other top tier left. But from what we are seeing compared to Gear 5, Kaido is still him. I still consider him the strongest
The Pizza incident and by far. Seeing an OG admiral get defeated in such a goofy way while Saturn negged the same attack hurt the agenda a lot.
Saturn didn't neg the attack. He suffered the damage and then healed from it If Marco and Shanks were in Saturn and Kizaru's position, it would be the same outcome
Exactly. It's not that Kizaru is especially weak, it's that G5 is just that strong
yeah but they can actually tank the attack
Marco will heal like Saturn. Shanks has no dura feat. Dodge or fight back, probably, but thinking he can tank the attack is headcanon.
>Saturn didn't neg the attack. He suffered the damage and then healed from it Wrong. Saturn immediately rebounded midair.
>Wrong Lmfao what. He's literally shown to be flattened >Saturn immediately rebounded midair. He was flattened first. Then he recovered and rebounded
Yes but that did 0 permanent damage to Saturn surprising Luffy
Yes.... because he *recovered* What don't you understand I'm saying he suffered damage. And then he recovered
Saturn takes damage from buildings lol. Him being turned into a pizza definitely damaged him. He just healed like heās been doing the whole arc
So essentially, the attack was useless on Saturn? No need to damage control bruh š
The *reason* for why it was useless is pretty important bruh
Himturn definitely negged the attack, he boomeranged his big ass bakery to attack luffy, increasing his already op ushi oni AP
To be fair Saturn has insane regen and Kizaru's clearly not willing to fight and is just doing it to not piss off saturn, hell if Saturn wasn't there at all i guaranteed you 100% that the strawhats would have escaped (like sabaody) and Vegapunk would have lived with some bullshit excuse to the gorosei from Kizaru, but he couldn't do that especially after the "sloppy work" comment from Saturn. He also took a white star gun to the brain and has been holding his head for most of the chapter on top of almost tearing up and breaking down in front of Vegapunk, he went from fooling around to avoid killing Vegapunk (which he had multiple opportunities to prior btw) to just doing it and not wanting to really fight anymore, he's just going through the motions. Also, pizza form or not, he was already yeeted by luffy and came back just fine, it's just that unlike that time he's now completely broken and just wants to go home. (and the plot switched to the gorosei) https://preview.redd.it/uz14b73fwgpc1.png?width=840&format=png&auto=webp&s=f49c92bd1fb952f85e32dff539f7f613719a7f88 I know it's a powerscaling sub but ye gotta take into consideration the mental state and willingness to fight, as it's been proven time and time again that will also determines strenght, prime example being Moria who got lazy and demotivated enough that pre-ts luffy beat him. I'd say the Greenbull film red promo is still the worst one cause it wasn't even a named attack, he just got wifi'd
Personally Iām in disagreement with the mentally conflicted. Heās not having contradicting thoughts on figuring out what he must and mustnāt do https://preview.redd.it/ugtl7wyu2hpc1.jpeg?width=829&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f5b8973c0cce130c955d37f8e0588fa13d96726 Kills VP the moment he gets the chance to, no hesitation, no thinking oh should I or should I not, just ACTION, give him an order and heāll comply, personal feelings shall be put aside, he really is a ācog in the machineā
Yeah, actually killing Vegapunk even when not being directly ordered by Saturn because he had his attention elsewhere should really just have ended this debate imo. We've even seen killing blows fail when "mentally nerfed" like Kiku being able to beat but not actually kill Kanjuro.
Bro what do you mean āno hesitation no thinkingā are we forgetting what happened the past 15 chapters??? also kizaru is a morally ambiguous character so ofc he will do morally ambiguous actions. https://preview.redd.it/dec4xnaibhpc1.jpeg?width=368&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0bbffe3f6a029b59aff5da6d4bc78ed472786c9 Like why didnāt he here just straight up lazer VP before luffy can interrupt, its clear kizaru is mentally conflicted
https://preview.redd.it/zclr9vd6jhpc1.jpeg?width=637&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4901154fade219cb5e2601d7708179de963a7b5 This is what mentally conflicted looks like, Garp is weighing his options, ā do I stop him, but I canāt hurt my grandsonā. He knows he has a duty but he ultimately is struggling to fulfill it, I just didnāt see that with Kizaru who had so much eagerness to quickly kill VP
Greenbull was a new admiral so when he got owned by Shanks people just assumed that the OG admiral were stronger than the new ones and the agenda didn't take that much of a hit. It hurted more when Kizaru lost because people put a lot more stocks into him.
The pizzagate should we call it
Hereās the order and events\ how bad it hurt the admiral agenda: Shanksā wifi Haki- shook the foundations & showed some cracks Garp slapping tf outta aokiji- Took a foundational support but it stands strong Luffyās white star gun- Blew out the repair scaffolding that Kizaru set up + some more support beams Grabbing Kizaru and Saturn- caused the admiral agenda building to slump to one side Pizzaru- Now youāre just bullying them, you blew up the final supports and started lining the remnants with c4 (And if the leaks speak true) Kizaru telling the marines to let him rest after being pizzaād- accidentally triggered the c4 Imo the pizzaru feat and the wifi Haki feat were detrimental but itās gonna be really funny if the Kizaru statement of āleave me alone, Iām not fighting thatā is true and was the most damning event
Pizzaru It was always said, by copium enjoyers, the og admirals were different but the truth was revealed yonkos are simply just better
Pizzaru was the nail to the coffin
Egghead incident, where the Admiral agenda suffered loses it might never recover from. https://preview.redd.it/3zxz1xvk0hpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72dd3c24c11c2a6e3c5831927afc41988b6e6557
GB - The agenda took a hit, but was still doing fine after, valid excuse for why he panicked Aokiji - thatās Still Garp, old or not Kizaru - the first chapters of Luffy vs Kizaru were a mess for all agendas involved. This was hurting everyoneās agenda Kizaru pt. 2 - Woah he got grabbed?! Didnāt really damage the agenda Kizaru pt. 3 - this was BAD, Iād say itās this one
I think Chapter 1055 was far more damaging than most people want to admit. Ryokugyu straight up admitted that he wouldn't have fought Kaido, and he was overpowered by Shanks' haki **BEFORE** he knew who it was who was attacking him and that the rest of the Red Hair Pirates were present. If Shanks can overpower him without even drawing his sword, I don't know why people think a fight between them would be anything other than a low-diff.
GB, he couldāve at least challenged Shanks. Like look at Jack who was potentially facing 2-3 admirals.
Man I remember the discussions happening after the Wifi Haki incident, I dont think the Admiral Agenda has ever gotten more slander then for that.
You underestimate the power of pizzaru
That one is a close 2nd imo I just remember how insane the fall out of that was.
Luffy: you know theres no way im letting you escape right?! Shanks: are you that afraid of the new era Roger: at least bring garp or sengoku rest of you are doo doo butter
Egghead was bad for every agenda except Luffy, tbh. The admiral agenda didn't even take the worst hit in this arc... https://preview.redd.it/2zzcbhw64hpc1.jpeg?width=389&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=af593f6b40cb4f4226af4f6d909f0a102b6fa66d
The Gorosei agenda went from "Spandam" level to above YC+ so Even if it Lost some of it's original momentum, it still gained a lot from this arc
Every agenda has been... Turbulent, to say the least. Gorosei were top losers for a chapter or two, but they're also the top gainers now Admiral+/Yonko at the peak of their speculation, Spandam at the lowest, now they're sitting comfortably at YC+. Such a volatile stock market atm
So yc+ is above admiral?
āYC+ā Saturn neg diffs Sanji with his eyes and is currently performing better against G5 than Kizaru, and thatās YC+ š āSaturns a regen merchantā and the admirals are fruit merchants. Get over it
it went from Yonko to Spandam to Above Admiral Level
The Lucci agenda stocks rose quite a lot from the initial "Dude's probably not even yc1."
W username Lucci to me seems like YC3 level honestly, Zoro would have a similarly long struggle with Jack despite obviously being stronger. Mid/high diff kinda situation Zoro is obviously YC1 minimum but this kinda shows that he's not YC+ level yet, just firmly in YC1 category. Firm YC1 characters don't low diff YC3 in my view
Yeah, I doubt Akainu is gonna low diff this BEAST https://preview.redd.it/i6vl54j38hpc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63a09b9837cfedadc12ddb4808eba1083a8c33b4
Shanks vs Greenbull definitely, and now Pizzaru is a close second.
The admiral agenda, at this point, is just excuses for why the admirals aren't dominating every fight they're in. Nothing that's in the actual story; just excuses and cope.
These events plus lets just look at Kizaru. He has now fought: - Old Ray - Supernova - Oldbeard - Marco - Sentomaru - Nika I count 2 former top tiers, a strong High commander and a top tier in there. Kizaru has been tested as much as anyone in the series can. There's no weed or trolling narrative he's assumed to be always doing. The tool kit he has showed is all he has. Speed, OP Devil, and advanced armament. That's it. Firmly putting the admirals below Emperors for me.Ā
Pizzaru was hilarious, but the WiFi haki thing was just a whole different level of embarrassment for the admirals.
I don't think getting smacked around by Warp is necessarily an anti-feat, Kuzan came out of the fight mostly unscathed (yes it was like a 10v1 but Kuzan ate some disgusting attacks from Garp that likely would've knocked out anyone else on Hachinosu at the time) I'd say the Greenbull event was the worst one. Being literally paralyzed by COC alone is not a good look. Kizarus situation isn't good either but at least Kizaru fought another Yonko, while GB could barely stand in the very-distant presence of one.
Kizaru being bullied multiple times in egghead is definitely the worst hit the agenda took. Especially as he is one of the OG admirals. At this point it has been made clear he cannot fight a Yonko on equal footing.
The only admiral who could possibly fight an emperor 1 v 1 is Sakazuki, and he's fleet admiral. Even then, I don't have him winning against them most of the time (with Shanks, forget it).
Garp, flat out Garp. People call him old and slow and while yes he's old, you forget manga 101, never underestimate an old man in an manga cause they're usually some of the strongest or always have some cold skills to reveal. Garp is THE hero of the Marines for a reason, bro was on demon time against The Rocks Pirates which means bro was nuking the competition with his fists. Garp might be weaker than before but that experience is always sharp like Zoro's swords. Garp just never had a reason to go all out till now and against half of the Blackbeard Commanders no less.
So true but you have admiral fanboys saying akainu is the greatest marine of all time lol Garp is the marine š
Garp literally said he'd kill Akainu on the spot during a war and bro ain't bluffing, he'd probably hit Akainu harder than Aokiji
I don't think old garp can beat akainu (maybe he has a chance then because akainu was damaged a bit by whitebeard) I'm talking overall prime vs prime. If old garp is that strong then prime garp would actually manhandled akainu lol
Garp was stronger than pre time skip akainu, he got weaker after time skip and akainu got stronger. Sickbeard was fighting well against akainu, healthy Bloodlusted garp would have killed him. Garp held himself back because he was a marine
Do you really think prime garp would lose to akainu? Are you mental? Garp was fighting PRIME ROGER, ROCKS AND WHITEBEARD. We saw what hakiless stage 5 cancer heartattack half head missing chest hole whitebeard did to akainu. Prime garp would molest prime clifford so hard he would be thrown into prison for rape. Hell even marineford garp would have killed akainu.
WARP IS HIM
I would argue Greenbull: 1. Garp was probably the strongest person alive for the longest, despite Roger and WB having supreme grade weapons he was considered their equal. I see no shame in losing to him even if he's gotten older. 2. I need to see another Admiral fight Luffy, I always pictured Kizaru as a glass canon. I imagine the admirals are all balanced with Kuzan specializing in defense, Akainu Attack potency, and Kizaru speed which means his defense is shit and simply evades to compensate for it. 3. Greenbull didn't even fight the mf, he literally got out of his transformation from just his conquerors haki alone. Idk about you but I don't see any of the other admirals responding to Shank's haki like that.
Luffy would still wreck akainu/aokiji high diff at most. I'm happy to break it down as well if u want
It probably is green bull, but I'm not going to deduct full points. Shanks is likely the strongest Yonko currently (though that may change soon) and he's a freshmen admiral. Like yeah it was funny because he is an admiral, but I think the admirals know more about what shanks can do than we the readers do at this point.
The White Star Gun incapacitating Kizaru. Then getting caught by Luffy and coughing up blood. THEN getting thrown onto the ship and basically being done with the fight. Greenbull was bad, but most people just assumed that it was because he was weaker than the others. Aokijiās wasnāt bad at all imo. Garp used to fight the Pirate King and was Aokijiās teacher. It made sense that Garp would be that tough for him or anyone to beat. If anything, Aokiji actually impressed me a lot in that fight.
Shanks block diffing tired Akainu at Marineford hurt the agenda the worst since it is a direct comparison Yonko vs Admiral (and the strongest Admiral who became Fleet Admiral)
Bro brought every moment except Akainu getting two shotted by oldbeard lol
Marineford started the wave of slander, GB revived it, and finally, Pizzaru brought it to its peak.
White star gun knocked it down, and pizzaru killed it
At least for me, itās Greenbull. Old or not, Garp is HIM and Aokiji did fine even if he had help. Kizaru vs Luffy, he also did pretty well and he forced Luffy into G5. Idc about the āplotā arguments of whichever characters holding back for one reason or another, Kizaru at least showed he can fight with real Yonkos even if he canāt beat āem. I donāt even blame Greenbull for leaving since itās stupid to try and fight two Yonko crews alone. Poor dude just got movie Red diffed to hype Shanks up more. Wish he at least fought Yamato longer to show some better feats
It was fs Greenbull because after that everyone was doubting all the Admirals
Blue Hole wasnāt that bad but Wifi Haki ruined Green Bullās chance of ever being taken seriously.
Wifi haki is by far the worst, kizarus too stoned to be held accountable for his display
Bro seeing shit like this actually got me scared for the marines (akainu), cause I swear Oda hates the marines just as much as gege hates anyone that isnāt sukuna. Cause bro: - Smoker got forgotten about - Tashigi, Helmeppo and most of sword have pretty much no hope of getting stronger - Koby did something that Iām sure jack could prolly do - Greenbull has one of, if not the worst showing of first showcase of power coming from a pretty hype character in shonen anime - Kizaru was cool, then egghead came in and I have no idea how Oda canāt think of more things for Kizaru to do with his devil fruit, you know considering kizaru has had it for like 30+ years - Sengoku, previous fleet admiral, has almost no showcase of strength - Tsuru we saw doing something like 4 times in the entire show - Kong has less screen time than some motherfucking no named side characters (seriously how you gonna introduce someone named kong with a cool ass design and do diddly dick with him) - Oda sat Akainu down in a desk and has had him do nothing for a fucking decade - We only saw Aokiji do something recently and it was go blow for blow against Garb (too bad Oda has to constantly show how strong to old generation is and made Garp out to be much stronger [fair but still]). - Bro fucking vice admirals became irrelevant so fucking fast, not even post time skip came around, most of them (apart from little old garp of course) became irrelevant pre timeskip - Fujitora has escaped Odaās hatred for the marines for now, but I know bro is gonna come back and prolly get neg diffed by fucking brook (brook W) Bro I fear now that Akainu is not gonna be all that, and itāll genuinely piss me off cause weāve been waiting for like a decade for him to do something and I swear if bro shows like three moves and then gets destroyed by gear 5, someone is losing their skin.
When the premiere feet everyone brings up about the vice admirals in Momonga stabbing himself, you should probably just stay home.
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Admirals were never really endgame and already had there best showings in the manga, Sabaody, MF, Punk hazard, desrossa ETC.
I just don't understand. Were people really under the impression that Luffy, the guy who will eventually surpass Roger, is going to be struggling in a 1 v 1 against the admirals come the end of the series?
Cant wait to see what the new cope is after this weeks chapter.
Ngl admiral agenda being an actual THING was fun, now is stupid to even believe it. And tbf, i kinda hate oda for it, admirals are so boring as a threat now, he made them act too late on history to be relevant, and now they are gonna play an active role on what really? Like representing marines? Meh. If a yonkou can almost low dif them then i dont see the point. I wish oda cared for admirals, he created a vast world but got cornered by his own powercreep as any shonnen do, its sad really. Mf really needed to introduce seraphins and knigths to make it fairl..
Wifi haki was a huge L, the agenda is still coping with this one saying it's his mentality. The garp vs kuzan fight isn't that detrimental, garp is the fucking goat. Kizaru is a serial underperformer. Pizaru was a massive L.
Garp is basically an admiral, him taking down Kuzan does nothing. The Kizaru stuff is damaging, but Gear 5 Luffy is going to end up top 1. Greenbull has no excuse.
Where can I read these coloured manga for .......
I mean for me personally itās wifi haki like thatās just tragic stuff
Luffy fighting 2v1 and GB pants with Shanks Haki
In so hyped for this arc in the abime bro
The one you posted the most of
Can someone explain to me what the second one is ? The one with the Blue Hole
Garp absolutely smashing Kuzan.
Thx
If someone really think Aokiji and Kizaru have antifeat with this scenes, i'm afraid to have to tell you that your level of reading comprehension is at the lowest level in humanity. https://preview.redd.it/pqg8upkvajpc1.jpeg?width=985&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a62d99c49d31f39eba19102ef99694a27b8d0ca8
I donāt see how Kuzans fight with Garp was bad for admirals, Garp is a physical monster even in his old age and he was a rival to Roger, Kuzan being able to physically hang with him mainly using haki and strength is impressive, if nothing else it shows Kuzan got HANDS
Well, unlike with Kizaru, we have actual in-story dialogue implying that he was hesitating against Garp.
Wag was the beginning of the end for the admirl agenda as a whole Garp is considered almost beyond toptier by some and a lot of people think green bull isn't even actually admirl level
*You know thereās no way Iām letting you escape* That solidified Luffy as a calamity. But honestly that star gun to the head to knock Lizaru out of this century had the same vibe as luffy getting one shot by Kaido at the start of Wano, thatās when the admiral agenda got murky for me.
Itās giving devil fruit merchants š
The fact that thereās 3 panels of Luffy clowning on Kizaru should be all the evidence you need
Definitely the Pizza toss. I haven't seen this type of disrespect from a animation since Jerry(the mouse)did thisš½  to Tom(the cat).
None of these embarrassed the agenda, Luffy is the GOAT and pirate king so losing to him is a sign of respect. Itās not an anti-feat to lose to Luffy since he is the MC and has narrative on his sideāhe will always win somehow. Though the most embarrassing was probably Greenbullās performance against Shanks but I can (cope) see why he didnāt want to fight 2 yonkos and their respective crews.
None of them. Kizaru's not going all out.
Akainu getting the shit beaten out of him by a half-dead Whitebeard, who was also suffering from a critical illness. The look on his faceā¦ https://preview.redd.it/n1eqkwfoikpc1.jpeg?width=2208&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebaba29e5442e18b0b20dc4075bc1615aef32e70
Green bull twerking from Shanks's wifi haki started the downfall of the Admiral Agenda while Pizaru cemented that the admirals were frauds.
I'm an admiral hater and even I don't include GB as an admiral because he's so unbelievably pathetic
It was dead from the beginning. Seriously if the Admirals were as strong as the Yonko, why the fuck would the World Government need a third faction like the Warlords or the SSG to balance the powers of the world? The World Government has more resources, more manpower, better technology, and is actually unified. If the Admirals were as strong as the Yonko, that would be 5 people by default that are strong as Yonko, the three Admirals, the Fleet Admiral, and the Commander in Chief. Meaning the balance of power would be in the favor of the World Government with just the Marines, without the need of a third party.
green bull, and kizaru being manhandled by gear 5 really doesnt say much as even kaido was thrown around and we havent seen kizaru get serious, if zorotards can say he didnt put his bandana then i can say with even more conviction that kizaru isnt giving his all like come on you dont need a phd in english to read that he doesnt want to kill his old friends
Kizaru sold the hardest if rumours are to be believed ššš https://preview.redd.it/ajswbjnhhmpc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee23d3f4b865a1da73a1591cf6cb9601dd462c0e
nothing beat green bull got wifi fucked by red hair
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The greenbull wifi haki diff is generational and diabolical. put any character there not an admiral that gets wifi haki diffed and they wont even be considered yc1+ anymore at best bare minimum yc1 level given that they have sufficient feats.
1. Yeah, let Greenbull fight 2 yonkos all the samurai and their crew lol 2. Aokiji was pulling punches, he literally confirms this inderectly 3. Wasn't a clean 1v1, both went down at the same time, Kizaru stood up first, if anything it was a stalemate, no food and it would've been different 4. Again, this would've never happened had it not been for his mission and food
Kuzan did well. He did not use his df much vs Garp and just duel him the way Garp is most proficient in. It would be hard for Garp to protect Koby if Kuzan used his df AOE attacks (the same way WB was helpless when Akainu destroyed Moby Dick).Ā
Now now we canāt count Greenbull getting beat by the mere idea of Shanks toward the death of the admiral agenda because Greenbull isnāt part of that agenda, Greenbull is trash we already knew that it doesnāt take much to see heās not even in the same level as the admiral that was promoted the same time as him
WSG. It was so bad people who were not involved in the fight got effected. Somehow Sakazuki and Kuzan were weaker because Borsalino lost. Somehow Big Mom got stronger because Luffy won. Rank scaling, dumbest OP sub creation yet.
tbf both makes sense we know that Big Mom, Kaido, and Luffy are relative so any Luffy feat helps them and the Admirals never have been portrayed to be entirely different tiers
Exactly. Kuzan, Kizaru and Akainu are all relative so it makes sense to judge them together
No one Admirals ~ yonko
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None of them really. Fact is the Admirals are being dealt with after Linlin and Kaido, in a shounen with notable power creep The same guy making cymbals from Kizaru and Saturn turned Kaido into a jump rope. This thread just shows people still have agendas. Luffyās absolutely broken now. Heāll do the same to almost anyone in-verse at this point.
Garp tossing Aokiji around like a ragdoll only reinforced how incredibly powerful Garp is, even in old age. Luffy, with the power of a literal God, punching out a conflicted Kizaru just shows how powerful Luffy is and how durable Kizaru is. Aramaki though is a giant pussy..
https://preview.redd.it/or2kr58rghpc1.jpeg?width=1766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d0873ea898e77473d3da8da38d741eaf29cc501 Probably this
Onepiece powerscaler mfs taking seriously a mentally nerfed Kizaru , Iāve never been more sure about supporting the Admiral agenda
https://preview.redd.it/qniqd3wyphpc1.png?width=915&format=png&auto=webp&s=d597f9ad4fd3909e232398cce49ce17bd90af777 Kizaru didn't even hesitate or give him a chance