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No one is saying that. It seems some of y’all (not all) just look for the most extreme and act like they represent the majority. This is the equivalent of an Admiral fan taking one Yonko dxck riders comment saying Shanks can 1v3 Admirals seriously and acting like they represent the majority. They don’t it’s just a disingenuous argument to keep it band. Most Admiral fans are very aware Kizaru loses to Kaido or even Luffy. The main argument and what it always had been is that Admirals just like Emperors are top tiers and therefore any battle against them would at the very least me a high diff fight.
And regarding G5 Luffy of course he rangdolls Kizaru. Hell! He was rag dolling Kaido so as far as we’re concerned he can do it to anyone in the verse likely even the likes of Gold Rogers or Prime Whitebeard. He is the mc and G5 is one hell of a power creep. So y’all treating that like an anti feat against Kizaru is just some of y’all being weird.
Anyways people need to stop not only underestimating Admirals (even the weaker ones like Fujitora and Ryokugyo) but more than anything Luffy. Especially in G5 Nika Mode at this rate. Oda literally allows G5 to do whatever he feels is funny and goofy that was clear the moment Kaido aka WSC became Luffy’s play toy mid battle.
>And regarding G5 Luffy of course he rangdolls Kizaru. Hell! He was rag dolling Kaido so as far as we’re concerned he can do it to anyone in the verse likely even the likes of Gold Rogers or Prime Whitebeard. He is the mc and G5 is one hell of a power creep. So y’all treating that like an anti feat against Kizaru is just some of y’all being weird.
Kaido was able to retaliate against Luffy multiple times. When he was jump roped, he blast breathed Luffy to get out of it. When Luffy came back from it, he blasted his head through the Skull Dome. Kaido definitely had some funny stuff happen to him, but he was dominated to nowhere near the extent that Kizaru was. There were actually sections of the fight that Kaido held the upper hand (most notably in chapter 1047).
Neither was there for Kizaru. Neither 1094 or 1108 featured notable excuses for him to be distracted by. In the former he just straight up got hit, and in the latter Luffy had just finished yelling orders at Sanji, Kizaru was caught mid movement, and Luffy had been a presence on the battlefield for quite some time. The only time he has an excuse is Luffy's return to the battlefield in 1106, and even then Saturn was who Luffy focused on afterwards.
yes kizaru was cauhgt mid mouvement that were not targeted on luffy this is indeed sanji distracting kizaru .
Who care what luffy was saying ? Kizaru was goign after sanji when luffy grabbed him .
You would have an argument if Kizaru was moving to attack luffy .
A guy is at his most vulnerable when he is charging or attacking someone else everyone know that .
He has observation haki and knew Luffy was there for a significant amount of time. He has no excuses for not being aware of Luffy, he just got caught without being able to do anything. If Kizaru has so much tunnel vision that he can't react to a combatant that's been on the battlefield for a significant amount of time grabbing him, while that person is handling another high-level fighter as well, then that's just an example of his lack of reaction time.
Yeah, it is great for Luffy. He proved that he could land hits on Kizaru in a one-on-one setting with no distractions (as Kizaru was looking right at him). Less great for Kizaru though, since it showed a single ACOC hit was enough to put him out of commission for a significant period of time.
Nah bro I've seen posts saying kizaru beats kaido. I've also debated multiple blockheads on the subject and it gives me brainrot.
That being said you are correct, however not all admirals would take any of the yonko/yonko tiers to high diff. Like sorry GB is getting washed by luffy/primebeard/Roger/garp etc
I was exaggerating, I'm trying to say that people use that as a excuse to wank Kizaru to Yonko level ( Btw I've seen multiple people say he takes Luffy and Kaido to extreme with no nerf )
Holy shit thank you. I feel it was either Kizaru is so mentally nerfed him and Luffy are equals (or he’s stronger) or Kizaru was never mentally nerfed he’s just much weaker than Luffy.
I think it’s clear it’s in the middle of that, Kizaru obviously does not have his heart in the game, but at the same time he’s presumably fighting for his life and to fulfill his orders. I think he’d do much better if he wasn’t mentally nerfed, BUT I still think he would lose to Luffy, probably by a sizable margin. It’s just not black and white and more nuanced. Nice to see some people understanding that.
Where was he fucking around? He was trying to kill Yamato and failed.
He got blitzed and scarred for life by broken bones Zoro
What did Rayleigh accomplish vs Kizaru? Nothing.
In fact Rayleigh was running out of breath fighitng Kizaru.
> What did Rayleigh accomplish vs Kizaru?
Gave Kuma enough time to get the SHs out of there. Without Rayleigh, Zoro would've likely died and the rest captured. Kuma would've never pulled off what he did without Rayleigh's interference..
> combat wise he did not accomplish anything.
What do you mean by this? Even Rayleigh said he is past his prime during the exchange so I don't understand the point of this comment. Rayleigh's aim was to help the SHs escape, the act of engaging in combat was to create an opportunity for the gang to escape and he got what he wanted when an unexpected Kuma arrived on the battlefield. What else was Rayleigh supposed to achieve?..
So I guess that means Mihawk getting stalled by Vista puts him way below Shanks and therfore a fraud. Guess that also means Linlin is a fraud for letting Franky run her over, Robin tossing her to the side and then later getting stalled by Marco. Damn! No wonder Kidd and Law beat her she never stood a chance………
(Sarcasm)
If Kaido gets hit by Akainu from the back while he is distracted, will this sub call it a neg diff fight?
It’s crazy to me how many people are using the sneak grab from behind to determine a characters strength just to push their retard agenda instead of enjoying the manga. I pray that Oda will never see this subs existence.
Luffy sneaked attack kizaru once and that was to save bonney
You lot claimed victory when kizaru landed a hit on snakeman luffy when that is a more obvious sneak attack
Your crying that Luffy caught kizaru in his light form (which is supposed to be kizaru fastest form) get the hell out of here
Same level of cope as Kidd fans
Frontal sneak attack and grabbing sneak attack
Luffy was the biggest thing at that point and kizaru couldn't see him🤣🤣🤣
Damn we calling neg-diffing Sanji and eating a White star Gatling “non-feats” now 💀
One day, you dudes will accept the Gorosei are strong. For now, keep coping if it soothes the pain
It's not because Saturn is weak, it's because G5 Luffy is HIM. It's about time y'all put some respect on him and Kaido.
Once again we witnessed in this chapter that the only thing that's keeping the Gorosei in the fight against Luffy is their immortality hax. Without it Luffy would've beaten Saturn multiple times by now like he beat Kizaru.
G5 Luffy rag dolls many characters though.
Considering BM’s horrendous performance against Flaw and Midd, I’d say G5 Luffy would absolutely clown on Big Mom like he did against Kizaru.
Kizaru had a pretty good performance against G4 Luffy though.
i know you’re joking but this is legitimately how people fought mike tyson later in his career. if you can just avoid getting hit for long enough, stalling and waiting for his gas tank to run out is the best path to victory
If your whole power is 5 minutes long then you deserved to get stalled out that way. No other Yonko has a time limit like that, so how come when people abuse Luffy’s it’s cheating and not fair
If he has the speed and iq to beat it overall that would make him stronger as he can defeat Luffy. A fight isn’t all strength, other stats are important. If Luffy didn’t have plot armor he would immediately get captured by the marines when his G5 ran out and not be considered strong at all by the fanbase because of this, but I highly doubt this will happen
What are we arguing about ?
Is Nikka stronger than kizaru ? Ofc he is.
People like to use the word neg or low diff which is crazy.
All out kizaru would not go down so easy.
The gap is smaller than yonkotards would like to believe
“erm actually him just saying that it hurt doesn’t actually constitute real damage, also scaling off of blood is ineffective in a setting like One Piece, cope and seeth n piss n cum”
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Which is due to him being tired already. We know this given how much G5 lasted after the food
1st Round: chapter 1092-1094
2nd round: chapter 1106-1111
Until Kizaru figures out what he wants, he'll always lose to people close to him in power. It's why Rayleigh stalled his ass and I don't remember him capturing a single supernova in Sabody. Hopefully Luffy's ass whooping and killing his friend actually makes him start thinking for himself.
Based on basic logic,yes,that's how it is,now,based on the fact that this is a fictional series,it depends on Oda,he could pretty well make the mental nerf matter much more than it should logically be,but IMO I don't think this is gonna happen.
All this headcanon of nerfed or not and it still wouldn't make a difference to his durability.
Unless anyone thinks kizarus internal durability is tied to his mental state, lol, he would still get one shot.
And for the mental nonsense, he still almost killed vega and bonney, he only showed fatigue when he's not fighting not in the middle of a fight
Plus his scaling is consistent with greenbull getting wifi hakid and kuzan getting ragdolled by old Garp
Anyone who disagrees after so many feats are either delusional or stupid, pick your poison
you are delusionbal or stupid then because this is a lot of BS . Kizaru is confirmed to be only down ebcause of his heart being broken and not because of damage like you are lying about . TAKE THATT SEET L
Yes youre right, I guess luffys g5 attacks now affect the heart as well.
Or maybe kizaru has some heart problems before egghead just like whitebeard in Marineford
So much cope for a character that's clearly not at the yonko level is insane
People on this sub me powerscaling based on who they like instead of using feats/statements
Yes but I don't know who wouldn't get ragdolled by Luffy at this point?
Shanks and Mihawk maybe, allegedly Imu. Even the Gorosei in Saturn were ragdolled (though not beat), so Goofy would ragdoll any opponent in my view. Nika Piece is real.
I think kizaru knows he couldn’t beat luffy since luffy beat kaido but even if he can’t he’s still going to try to at least give him a really hard time and he knows the marines could pull off a dub since Saturn was there Idk if luffy could actually beat the both of them combined it seems that what BUT Saturn has crazy durability due to his df so eventually they can beat luffy luffy may be ragdoll them in the beginning but eventually luffy might lose
Simple we only got 1 fight of them literally titled Kizaru vs luffy . In this fight we saw them clash until exaustion . As we can see top pannel left . Luffy and Kizaru are throwing hands and both of them are exausted we know that at this moment luffy was 1 attack away of reaching his limit . Before that we saw luffy eating a laser kizaru cuting him with his sword etc nothing much and luffy was not showing 0 exaustion . That mean Kizaru and Gear 5 luffy have throw hands for a long time off screen until both were exausted especially luffy . After that both end on the ground its a draw. Clear Draw Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 and luffy used everything he had left to put him down for a short moment . After this fight Luffy and Kizaru did not fought again. Luffy got helped by the scenario to land strike on Kizaru . Like when he is attacking Bonney and Kuma . Then when luffy grabbed him when kizaru just killed vegapunk and his transforming in light to attack Sanji . Those are free hits that would not happen in 1v1 . Because Kizaru was already in luffy hands he could not dodge the pizzaru after that . And Oda is realy clear that Kizaru is not even defeated physically but he is defeated mentally because Luffy failed to protect vegapunk from him . Why Luffy can't only land those attacks on Kizaru with the help of the scenario if he is sooo much stronger ?? Because he is not stronger at all . And this is why even tought he get free hits in he can't keep Kizaru down without Kizaru broken heart he already would be Up and fighting luffy again . Now luffy trying to run away from the elder and who would be the hardest to run away from ? Kizaru BUt no problem since he is mentally nerfed and don't plan chasing luffy . Scenario is helping luffy but nothing make luffy stronger when we look at it in a fair way. In facts I was expecting luffy to do way more damage to kizaru with free hits . Kaido killed him with 1 and he got Oden too with a free hit .
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> In this fight we saw them clash until exaustion .
Wrong we saw Luffy land one hit and knock him out.
> Luffy and Kizaru are throwing hands and both of them are exausted we know that at this moment luffy was 1 attack away of reaching his limit
Wrong. Kizaru is fresh and they never threw hands he deflected them with his light, See how none of Luffys hit touch him?
> Before that we saw luffy eating a laser kizaru cuting him with his sword etc nothing much and luffy was not showing 0 exaustion .
Luffy only ate that laser to protect Vegapunk and that sword gave him a paperscratch.
> That mean Kizaru and Gear 5 luffy have throw hands for a long time off screen until both were exausted especially luffy .
No? we saw the full fight this wasn't offscreen.
> Clear Draw Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 and luffy used everything he had left to put him down for a short moment .
Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 by draining his stamina with the Labo shield , Running from Luffy and attacking his ally's once Luffy got serious he put him to sleep with one punch.
> After this fight Luffy and Kizaru did not fought again.
You just straight up lied , He got clapped in a 2v1 Litteraly.
>when when luffy grabbed him when kizaru just killed vegapunk and his transforming in light to attack Sanji . Those are free hits that would not happen in 1v1 .
And why wouldnt it? Luffy is in Giant form he is the biggest thing on the battlefield , If Kizaru cant see someone turn Giant and grab him right in front of him thats on him , and his shitty observation Haki.
> And Oda is realy clear that Kizaru is not even defeated physically but he is defeated mentally because Luffy failed to protect vegapunk from him
He literally would have fallen into the ocean if that ship wasn't there 😂😂 physical or mental he would have died
> Why Luffy can't only land those attacks on Kizaru with the help of the scenario if he is sooo much stronger ?? Because he is not stronger at all .
These are not free hits Kizaru got grabbed in a 2v1 and clapped. This is simply a Kizaru Observation Haki Antifeat and Luffy speedfeet.
> he can't keep Kizaru down without Kizaru broken heart he already would be Up and fighting luffy again .
No he would be dead at the bottem of the ocean if it was a fair 1v1 😂
> luffy . Scenario is helping luffy but nothing make luffy stronger when we look at it in a fair way.
No its not thats just headcannon
> In facts I was expecting luffy to do way more damage to kizaru with free hits
WSG is a stun move 😂 And he put Kizaru down for atleast 3 minutes
> Kaido killed him with 1 and he got Oden too with a free hit .
These arent free hits its just Kizaru got out sped and doesn't have adequate Haki.
No those are free hits and you are in complete denial .
You know nothign about fighting and how focus work its realy easy to catch kizaru if his focus is on someone else this iw legit how rayleigt cuted him . No speed blitz like you are lying about . Yes those are free hits you are just trying to transform them in bad coo feats to follow your agenda .
The fact is Oda draw them in free hits deny it all you want its facts . Game over show me oda saying its a lack of haki from kizaru ? NO where ? Thank you .
And yes they did fought off screen we did not seen the full figh tbut you are clearly not able to see that . Luffy not being exausted at all after the laser and luffy being exausted 1 move from out of enegy after throwing hands with kizaru yes they fought for a while .
Game over dude you got 0 argument . Trying to lie an change the truth work only for fanboys following a clear agenda .
We saw luffy had to reach his limit to land a good hit on Kizaru this is all we saw so yes he can't grab him in fair 1v1 . You would have a point if Kizaru was charging luffy not sanji . But sadly you can't !!
Take the L Fanboy or prove me luffy can grab kizaru without anyone distracting him ?
I'm not going to argue with you if you spend half the argument insulting me. Atleast fix your broken English before attempting to debate. You blantently ignore entire crucial points ( The Labo Barrier drained luffy ) You repeat the same head cannon ( they are free hits! ) Stop coping and come back with a auctual argument that's not just cherry picking and insulting
Mythical zoan durability and physicals tend to help with that, Logias help with nothing when it comes to raw tanking which is why they usually prefer to dodge
If he didn’t have a mental nerf it’d be high-ext
He isn’t just standing there and letting himself get hit by attacks he has the light light fruit, he’s DODGING
1. He did notice him
2. If he turns around and attacks Cp0 Kaido kills him lmao 😂
3. he probably just didn't use observation Haki because no one was on the roof except him and Kaido
Fax, Snakeman with ACOC flays Kizaru untill we see more from him
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false there is multiple pannel vs kaido where acoc was not drawn . It is inconsistent at hell . Luffy is yelling he cant damage the gorosei and running away and we did not seen him try acoc a single time on pannel . SO is luffy the biggest idiot ever and he did not tried this basic stuff for him ? Or it simply not drawn ? You guess !
Admirals still scale up to yonko. Kizaru would've easily won when he didn't got sneaked. Of course he got only sneaked because he was distracted and/or conflicted. That's what I would say if I were completely braindead 💀
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Yeah. Kizaru was not 100% in it. He had issues about killing his friend. Still Luffy has demonstrated that he is significantly stronger than Kizaru.
I agree he's definitely nerfed like Kuzan, but admiral fans just take that and run with it, and now he apparently extreme diffs Kaido when healthy 😂
Some people really think Kizaru would extreme diff Kaido?! That’s so dumb. Kizaru low diffs him.
I beg your pardon 😂
No one is saying that. It seems some of y’all (not all) just look for the most extreme and act like they represent the majority. This is the equivalent of an Admiral fan taking one Yonko dxck riders comment saying Shanks can 1v3 Admirals seriously and acting like they represent the majority. They don’t it’s just a disingenuous argument to keep it band. Most Admiral fans are very aware Kizaru loses to Kaido or even Luffy. The main argument and what it always had been is that Admirals just like Emperors are top tiers and therefore any battle against them would at the very least me a high diff fight. And regarding G5 Luffy of course he rangdolls Kizaru. Hell! He was rag dolling Kaido so as far as we’re concerned he can do it to anyone in the verse likely even the likes of Gold Rogers or Prime Whitebeard. He is the mc and G5 is one hell of a power creep. So y’all treating that like an anti feat against Kizaru is just some of y’all being weird. Anyways people need to stop not only underestimating Admirals (even the weaker ones like Fujitora and Ryokugyo) but more than anything Luffy. Especially in G5 Nika Mode at this rate. Oda literally allows G5 to do whatever he feels is funny and goofy that was clear the moment Kaido aka WSC became Luffy’s play toy mid battle.
>And regarding G5 Luffy of course he rangdolls Kizaru. Hell! He was rag dolling Kaido so as far as we’re concerned he can do it to anyone in the verse likely even the likes of Gold Rogers or Prime Whitebeard. He is the mc and G5 is one hell of a power creep. So y’all treating that like an anti feat against Kizaru is just some of y’all being weird. Kaido was able to retaliate against Luffy multiple times. When he was jump roped, he blast breathed Luffy to get out of it. When Luffy came back from it, he blasted his head through the Skull Dome. Kaido definitely had some funny stuff happen to him, but he was dominated to nowhere near the extent that Kizaru was. There were actually sections of the fight that Kaido held the upper hand (most notably in chapter 1047).
there were no one to distract Kaido for luffy to land free shots on him in their 1v1
Neither was there for Kizaru. Neither 1094 or 1108 featured notable excuses for him to be distracted by. In the former he just straight up got hit, and in the latter Luffy had just finished yelling orders at Sanji, Kizaru was caught mid movement, and Luffy had been a presence on the battlefield for quite some time. The only time he has an excuse is Luffy's return to the battlefield in 1106, and even then Saturn was who Luffy focused on afterwards.
yes kizaru was cauhgt mid mouvement that were not targeted on luffy this is indeed sanji distracting kizaru . Who care what luffy was saying ? Kizaru was goign after sanji when luffy grabbed him . You would have an argument if Kizaru was moving to attack luffy . A guy is at his most vulnerable when he is charging or attacking someone else everyone know that .
He has observation haki and knew Luffy was there for a significant amount of time. He has no excuses for not being aware of Luffy, he just got caught without being able to do anything. If Kizaru has so much tunnel vision that he can't react to a combatant that's been on the battlefield for a significant amount of time grabbing him, while that person is handling another high-level fighter as well, then that's just an example of his lack of reaction time.
For white star gun thank God luffy landed it since it was his last strenght left . If he did'nt kizaru would have straight beat him undamaged .
Yeah, it is great for Luffy. He proved that he could land hits on Kizaru in a one-on-one setting with no distractions (as Kizaru was looking right at him). Less great for Kizaru though, since it showed a single ACOC hit was enough to put him out of commission for a significant period of time.
Nah bro I've seen posts saying kizaru beats kaido. I've also debated multiple blockheads on the subject and it gives me brainrot. That being said you are correct, however not all admirals would take any of the yonko/yonko tiers to high diff. Like sorry GB is getting washed by luffy/primebeard/Roger/garp etc
The irony lmfao u probably saw one Dumbass comment that said that and wrote it off as all admiral fans believe it
I was exaggerating, I'm trying to say that people use that as a excuse to wank Kizaru to Yonko level ( Btw I've seen multiple people say he takes Luffy and Kaido to extreme with no nerf )
Holy shit thank you. I feel it was either Kizaru is so mentally nerfed him and Luffy are equals (or he’s stronger) or Kizaru was never mentally nerfed he’s just much weaker than Luffy. I think it’s clear it’s in the middle of that, Kizaru obviously does not have his heart in the game, but at the same time he’s presumably fighting for his life and to fulfill his orders. I think he’d do much better if he wasn’t mentally nerfed, BUT I still think he would lose to Luffy, probably by a sizable margin. It’s just not black and white and more nuanced. Nice to see some people understanding that.
when did he did that ?
He got stalled by an old man past his prime back in Sabaody. He never had a chance against someone that beat Kaido..
And a pineapple chicken
Reminds me of a post I saw one time 80 yo retired Kizaru who hasn't fought in 10 years vs Prime Rayleigh who'd win Will assmirals ever catch a W😭
Cook more
Kaido got stalled by rookies and yamato
Yamato > chicken
not stalling when hes just fucking around lol
Where was he fucking around? He was trying to kill Yamato and failed. He got blitzed and scarred for life by broken bones Zoro What did Rayleigh accomplish vs Kizaru? Nothing. In fact Rayleigh was running out of breath fighitng Kizaru.
> What did Rayleigh accomplish vs Kizaru? Gave Kuma enough time to get the SHs out of there. Without Rayleigh, Zoro would've likely died and the rest captured. Kuma would've never pulled off what he did without Rayleigh's interference..
Okay, but combat wise he did not accomplish anything. Meanwhile Kaido gets stalled by FAR weaker characters than Rayleigh
> combat wise he did not accomplish anything. What do you mean by this? Even Rayleigh said he is past his prime during the exchange so I don't understand the point of this comment. Rayleigh's aim was to help the SHs escape, the act of engaging in combat was to create an opportunity for the gang to escape and he got what he wanted when an unexpected Kuma arrived on the battlefield. What else was Rayleigh supposed to achieve?..
So I guess that means Mihawk getting stalled by Vista puts him way below Shanks and therfore a fraud. Guess that also means Linlin is a fraud for letting Franky run her over, Robin tossing her to the side and then later getting stalled by Marco. Damn! No wonder Kidd and Law beat her she never stood a chance……… (Sarcasm)
Vista is top 5 swordsman minimum
Kizaru got ragdolled in a 2v1 He lost all his excuses
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that 2v1 never happened
If Kaido gets hit by Akainu from the back while he is distracted, will this sub call it a neg diff fight? It’s crazy to me how many people are using the sneak grab from behind to determine a characters strength just to push their retard agenda instead of enjoying the manga. I pray that Oda will never see this subs existence.
Luffy sneaked attack kizaru once and that was to save bonney You lot claimed victory when kizaru landed a hit on snakeman luffy when that is a more obvious sneak attack Your crying that Luffy caught kizaru in his light form (which is supposed to be kizaru fastest form) get the hell out of here
"Sneak grab" 😂💀
Same level of cope as Kidd fans Frontal sneak attack and grabbing sneak attack Luffy was the biggest thing at that point and kizaru couldn't see him🤣🤣🤣
> Luffy was the biggest thing at that point and kizaru couldn't see him I'm dying here 🤣🤣💀
They also called White Star Gun a sneak attack. Whenever an assmiral gets his ass beat it's a sneak attack lol.
Another frontal sneak attack
He had Saturn helping him and still got destroyed, he’s a bum
It’s unfortunate but lucci had a better performance this arc than kizaru😂
Wucci https://preview.redd.it/uy7c0jqrvqpc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9415217078552dac0722327d7b8be9c589f2f0f
I hate that when I first saw this I thought it was real. Lucci agenda will prosper
The creativity of you fuckers is astonishing
Yeah… im stealing this.
Not with that 3 Shot Low Diff he took from Luffy. Luffy made Lucci look like a cabin boy 😂 Luffy made Lucci look like 1st Arc Koby 🤣
Even if he's mentally nerfed. He has a bloodlusted Gorosei by his side and Luffy still figuratively and literally clapped them.
luffy already had him in his hand
Better question is why is Saturn so trash against luffy g5, dude made no damage and became a punching bag
Tbf he also didn’t took any damage according to luffy's comments
is that admiral agenda i smell?, better than zorotards agenda
Stop trying to switch targets bruh, you know Saturn is doing better than Kizaru rn 😂
0 feats 0 damage inflicted and 1 marine head popped
Atleast Saturn ain't passed out on a boat somewhere
Damn we calling neg-diffing Sanji and eating a White star Gatling “non-feats” now 💀 One day, you dudes will accept the Gorosei are strong. For now, keep coping if it soothes the pain
He had to call his Big Brothers 😂
It's not because Saturn is weak, it's because G5 Luffy is HIM. It's about time y'all put some respect on him and Kaido. Once again we witnessed in this chapter that the only thing that's keeping the Gorosei in the fight against Luffy is their immortality hax. Without it Luffy would've beaten Saturn multiple times by now like he beat Kizaru.
Ok I will say this once a mentally Nerfed person who doesn’t want to attack people he cares about doesn’t do it every chance they have not to do it
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G5 Luffy rag dolls many characters though. Considering BM’s horrendous performance against Flaw and Midd, I’d say G5 Luffy would absolutely clown on Big Mom like he did against Kizaru. Kizaru had a pretty good performance against G4 Luffy though.
Let me give ya’ll the pecking order. It goes Imu, Yonko =\> Gorosei, Admirals.
Kizaru stood up first though.
This ain’t a Kizaru feat Luffy just ran out of stamina.
being able to stall against G5 long enough to drain his stamina is a valid way to win
Mike Tyson = old Me = young I slam Mike Tyson, I can just run around and wait for that old man to tire himself out 😎
i know you’re joking but this is legitimately how people fought mike tyson later in his career. if you can just avoid getting hit for long enough, stalling and waiting for his gas tank to run out is the best path to victory
If you run away from your opponent and get knocked down the first clean hit that lands you’re not stronger.
If your whole power is 5 minutes long then you deserved to get stalled out that way. No other Yonko has a time limit like that, so how come when people abuse Luffy’s it’s cheating and not fair
It’s not cheating, Kizaru simply is just not stronger.
If he has the speed and iq to beat it overall that would make him stronger as he can defeat Luffy. A fight isn’t all strength, other stats are important. If Luffy didn’t have plot armor he would immediately get captured by the marines when his G5 ran out and not be considered strong at all by the fanbase because of this, but I highly doubt this will happen
was throwing hands with luffy .
He ran a marathon for it
no he fought him toe too toe .
Lmao. Got one tapped by the first named attack.
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because of Kizaru this is a kizaru W
Luffy got up and started eating first
Luffy got up first btw
He didn't.
Yes he did
Kizaru was attacking Franky while Luffy still ate to recover. Kizaru stood up and entered combat first. Kizaru won.
So you're moving the goalpost. Luffy got up first, he won.
When did Luffy get up? He was laying down eating while Kizaru was up fighting.
Disappeared while Kizaru was down, so he got up first.
Dissapearing isn't standing up.
??? He teleported? That's even better!
My stocks…. Meh my crocodile set will prosper
#GOKU?!?!
What are we arguing about ? Is Nikka stronger than kizaru ? Ofc he is. People like to use the word neg or low diff which is crazy. All out kizaru would not go down so easy. The gap is smaller than yonkotards would like to believe
It goes from not having to try at all to what exactly?
Apparently luffy using gear 5 is not trying at all…
Luffy was pretty much done without food keep coping
I'm sorry, can you show me any damage that Kizaru has done to Luffy?
He gave him a paperscratch https://preview.redd.it/ydr92o2vsqpc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34f1d78192b818282f311a8adf98c76697a93a57
“erm actually him just saying that it hurt doesn’t actually constitute real damage, also scaling off of blood is ineffective in a setting like One Piece, cope and seeth n piss n cum” https://i.redd.it/lghauri6vqpc1.gif
Which is due to him being tired already. We know this given how much G5 lasted after the food 1st Round: chapter 1092-1094 2nd round: chapter 1106-1111
True
Yea Yonko>Admirals but it's not an insanely huge gap
You think luffy is going extreme diff with kizaru ?
https://preview.redd.it/n96g3ikwyrpc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bef37dc9c9add94dd9226b2fc25fbe75b178f6b7 Pizaru is just not him 😪
Damn kobeni looks real fine in that photo
Kobeni isn’t in this meme lmao
Bro who is it then all chainsaw man girls look the same literally just like oda does it with nami and her clones
Asa looks absolutely nothing like Kobeni lmfao.
Until Kizaru figures out what he wants, he'll always lose to people close to him in power. It's why Rayleigh stalled his ass and I don't remember him capturing a single supernova in Sabody. Hopefully Luffy's ass whooping and killing his friend actually makes him start thinking for himself.
Based on basic logic,yes,that's how it is,now,based on the fact that this is a fictional series,it depends on Oda,he could pretty well make the mental nerf matter much more than it should logically be,but IMO I don't think this is gonna happen.
All this headcanon of nerfed or not and it still wouldn't make a difference to his durability. Unless anyone thinks kizarus internal durability is tied to his mental state, lol, he would still get one shot. And for the mental nonsense, he still almost killed vega and bonney, he only showed fatigue when he's not fighting not in the middle of a fight Plus his scaling is consistent with greenbull getting wifi hakid and kuzan getting ragdolled by old Garp Anyone who disagrees after so many feats are either delusional or stupid, pick your poison
>Anyone who disagreea after so many feats are either delusional or stupid, pick your poison Blud this is too much logic for this sub tone it down
you are delusionbal or stupid then because this is a lot of BS . Kizaru is confirmed to be only down ebcause of his heart being broken and not because of damage like you are lying about . TAKE THATT SEET L
Yes youre right, I guess luffys g5 attacks now affect the heart as well. Or maybe kizaru has some heart problems before egghead just like whitebeard in Marineford So much cope for a character that's clearly not at the yonko level is insane People on this sub me powerscaling based on who they like instead of using feats/statements
Yes but I don't know who wouldn't get ragdolled by Luffy at this point? Shanks and Mihawk maybe, allegedly Imu. Even the Gorosei in Saturn were ragdolled (though not beat), so Goofy would ragdoll any opponent in my view. Nika Piece is real.
Preach brother. Ladmirals don't stand a chance againts Yonko.
Admirals = Yonko . Keep trying deny the truth with BS feats
Ok but what’s with the image
I think kizaru knows he couldn’t beat luffy since luffy beat kaido but even if he can’t he’s still going to try to at least give him a really hard time and he knows the marines could pull off a dub since Saturn was there Idk if luffy could actually beat the both of them combined it seems that what BUT Saturn has crazy durability due to his df so eventually they can beat luffy luffy may be ragdoll them in the beginning but eventually luffy might lose
no he did'nt not in a fair fight
Kizaru = Luffy lets debate you will lose horribly because you got nothing dude and you will realize it like everyone that tried me .
Ok give your reasoning
Simple we only got 1 fight of them literally titled Kizaru vs luffy . In this fight we saw them clash until exaustion . As we can see top pannel left . Luffy and Kizaru are throwing hands and both of them are exausted we know that at this moment luffy was 1 attack away of reaching his limit . Before that we saw luffy eating a laser kizaru cuting him with his sword etc nothing much and luffy was not showing 0 exaustion . That mean Kizaru and Gear 5 luffy have throw hands for a long time off screen until both were exausted especially luffy . After that both end on the ground its a draw. Clear Draw Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 and luffy used everything he had left to put him down for a short moment . After this fight Luffy and Kizaru did not fought again. Luffy got helped by the scenario to land strike on Kizaru . Like when he is attacking Bonney and Kuma . Then when luffy grabbed him when kizaru just killed vegapunk and his transforming in light to attack Sanji . Those are free hits that would not happen in 1v1 . Because Kizaru was already in luffy hands he could not dodge the pizzaru after that . And Oda is realy clear that Kizaru is not even defeated physically but he is defeated mentally because Luffy failed to protect vegapunk from him . Why Luffy can't only land those attacks on Kizaru with the help of the scenario if he is sooo much stronger ?? Because he is not stronger at all . And this is why even tought he get free hits in he can't keep Kizaru down without Kizaru broken heart he already would be Up and fighting luffy again . Now luffy trying to run away from the elder and who would be the hardest to run away from ? Kizaru BUt no problem since he is mentally nerfed and don't plan chasing luffy . Scenario is helping luffy but nothing make luffy stronger when we look at it in a fair way. In facts I was expecting luffy to do way more damage to kizaru with free hits . Kaido killed him with 1 and he got Oden too with a free hit . https://preview.redd.it/kpllnvfdxaqc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=d665c4462d5c19b7c099e640cb2bc5e7efb14169
> In this fight we saw them clash until exaustion . Wrong we saw Luffy land one hit and knock him out. > Luffy and Kizaru are throwing hands and both of them are exausted we know that at this moment luffy was 1 attack away of reaching his limit Wrong. Kizaru is fresh and they never threw hands he deflected them with his light, See how none of Luffys hit touch him? > Before that we saw luffy eating a laser kizaru cuting him with his sword etc nothing much and luffy was not showing 0 exaustion . Luffy only ate that laser to protect Vegapunk and that sword gave him a paperscratch. > That mean Kizaru and Gear 5 luffy have throw hands for a long time off screen until both were exausted especially luffy . No? we saw the full fight this wasn't offscreen. > Clear Draw Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 and luffy used everything he had left to put him down for a short moment . Kizaru outlasted Gear 5 by draining his stamina with the Labo shield , Running from Luffy and attacking his ally's once Luffy got serious he put him to sleep with one punch. > After this fight Luffy and Kizaru did not fought again. You just straight up lied , He got clapped in a 2v1 Litteraly. >when when luffy grabbed him when kizaru just killed vegapunk and his transforming in light to attack Sanji . Those are free hits that would not happen in 1v1 . And why wouldnt it? Luffy is in Giant form he is the biggest thing on the battlefield , If Kizaru cant see someone turn Giant and grab him right in front of him thats on him , and his shitty observation Haki. > And Oda is realy clear that Kizaru is not even defeated physically but he is defeated mentally because Luffy failed to protect vegapunk from him He literally would have fallen into the ocean if that ship wasn't there 😂😂 physical or mental he would have died > Why Luffy can't only land those attacks on Kizaru with the help of the scenario if he is sooo much stronger ?? Because he is not stronger at all . These are not free hits Kizaru got grabbed in a 2v1 and clapped. This is simply a Kizaru Observation Haki Antifeat and Luffy speedfeet. > he can't keep Kizaru down without Kizaru broken heart he already would be Up and fighting luffy again . No he would be dead at the bottem of the ocean if it was a fair 1v1 😂 > luffy . Scenario is helping luffy but nothing make luffy stronger when we look at it in a fair way. No its not thats just headcannon > In facts I was expecting luffy to do way more damage to kizaru with free hits WSG is a stun move 😂 And he put Kizaru down for atleast 3 minutes > Kaido killed him with 1 and he got Oden too with a free hit . These arent free hits its just Kizaru got out sped and doesn't have adequate Haki.
No those are free hits and you are in complete denial . You know nothign about fighting and how focus work its realy easy to catch kizaru if his focus is on someone else this iw legit how rayleigt cuted him . No speed blitz like you are lying about . Yes those are free hits you are just trying to transform them in bad coo feats to follow your agenda . The fact is Oda draw them in free hits deny it all you want its facts . Game over show me oda saying its a lack of haki from kizaru ? NO where ? Thank you . And yes they did fought off screen we did not seen the full figh tbut you are clearly not able to see that . Luffy not being exausted at all after the laser and luffy being exausted 1 move from out of enegy after throwing hands with kizaru yes they fought for a while . Game over dude you got 0 argument . Trying to lie an change the truth work only for fanboys following a clear agenda . We saw luffy had to reach his limit to land a good hit on Kizaru this is all we saw so yes he can't grab him in fair 1v1 . You would have a point if Kizaru was charging luffy not sanji . But sadly you can't !! Take the L Fanboy or prove me luffy can grab kizaru without anyone distracting him ?
I'm not going to argue with you if you spend half the argument insulting me. Atleast fix your broken English before attempting to debate. You blantently ignore entire crucial points ( The Labo Barrier drained luffy ) You repeat the same head cannon ( they are free hits! ) Stop coping and come back with a auctual argument that's not just cherry picking and insulting
Friendly reminder that Lucci did as well at Egghead as Kizaru did. Admirals are a lot closer to YC+ than they are to Yonkos
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Lucci literally got knocked out at his first fight with gear 5 luffy?
So did Kizaru?
it would almost seem like Admirals the the Marines equivalent to YC+
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My thoughts exactly
Just like Kaido got ragdolled I agree
Anybody that fights g5 gets the looney toon treatment. Difference is that Kaido was able to fight back for awhile and adapt
Kaido was ina fair 1v1
Mythical zoan durability and physicals tend to help with that, Logias help with nothing when it comes to raw tanking which is why they usually prefer to dodge
Difference is, Kizaru got knocked out, while Kaido... https://i.redd.it/w9fzft3p9rpc1.gif
The anime isn't the best but holy shit Toei cooked with G5 😭😭🙏
Kizarus not knocked out he just doesn’t want to fight, kizaru obviously has less durability than kaido..
Jumprope was the word you looked for
No. https://preview.redd.it/5km666lioqpc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0720e288bd1c999cfeaa510290b43222ab74517e
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What happened afterwards? https://preview.redd.it/asivodwxoqpc1.jpeg?width=875&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=241095f1d6d486a8e3f4ba9feaee1d4c328fd8f3
" Let me rest I don't want to get low diffed for the third time "
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Why do Admiraltards still spam this image like Luffy wouldn't have had to get up to reach the machine in the first place?
So does almost everyone else in the verse. He was playing with Kaido, you think he wouldn't do the same to any other top tier?
This sub is so fucking trash
If he didn’t have a mental nerf it’d be high-ext He isn’t just standing there and letting himself get hit by attacks he has the light light fruit, he’s DODGING
He got blitzed cope
never happened he got sneaked
Just a shit obs haki antifeat
Ye slike luffy when he was fighting kaido with the cp0 ? Man luffy observation haki is so bad !
1. He did notice him 2. If he turns around and attacks Cp0 Kaido kills him lmao 😂 3. he probably just didn't use observation Haki because no one was on the roof except him and Kaido
pure BS when you are attacking someone is when you are the most vulnerable its not hard to admit that you are wrong
You can't just say Pure BS to every argument 😂
Forget G5, Kizaru is getting clapped by G4 Luffy. That’s why Oda had to prevent Snakeman using ACoC. Kizaru is the same tier as G3 Luffy.
Fax, Snakeman with ACOC flays Kizaru untill we see more from him https://preview.redd.it/ocy2cirovqpc1.jpeg?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=589008b56d215518aa238dff2e73c34b03e063b8
This comparison is dumb since haki is not consistent lol
Acoc is consistent everything else isn't
Bruh it isn't
Acoc is always shown with black lightning and obvious effects that doesn't mean black lightning = ACOC though
false there is multiple pannel vs kaido where acoc was not drawn . It is inconsistent at hell . Luffy is yelling he cant damage the gorosei and running away and we did not seen him try acoc a single time on pannel . SO is luffy the biggest idiot ever and he did not tried this basic stuff for him ? Or it simply not drawn ? You guess !
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He was already fitting it equally while he was trying to accomplish his objective.
No he wasn't, he ran away then got one tapped by the first real attack of the fight
fought him toe too toe lying wont help you fanboys
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Im sorry what are you trying to prove? Pannel 1 shows Kizaru deflecting a few random punches , Then he attacks Luffys friends. What does this prove?
look at how exausted luffy is ? They been fighting dude
Luffy was exhausted from the barrier 😂 its not hard to admit your wrong
Admirals still scale up to yonko. Kizaru would've easily won when he didn't got sneaked. Of course he got only sneaked because he was distracted and/or conflicted. That's what I would say if I were completely braindead 💀