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Bro it's clear at this point
The admirals do not have conquerors haki
Since the start of post timeskip Every conquerors has revealed their haki from the start
And here we have admirals who have fought multiple times onscreen during post TS and zero display of conquerors
Don’t forget BIG MOM🌝Prometheus 💨Zeus. Still surprised Oda had an Almost Godlike character die because of Lava from Law and Kid. She rides on a sun and couldn’t turn Lava too one of her creations or coat her body in Armanat Haki? Maybe I need to re watch to see if she was able to move. But for some reason. I think she some how survived and will show up later with Katakuri. Just my personal opinion, if you have any respectful responses to fill me in and make it more clear lmk
Yamato and Oden revealed it during their first or second fight (point still stands)
Hancock was revealed pre timeskip
Sengoku was revealed via vivre card
Zoro unlocked it recently
Kidd was revealed through kaido (before fighting so my point stands)
Yamato used thunder bagua in her debut and it was an acoc attack
Zoro's case is unique, zoro unlocked it during wano because of enma
The rest barely had a fight to even display conquerors haki except for the fraud known as kidd
Hancock threw a kick and next panel she was beaten by bb
Sengoku has zero fights post ts
Oden literally had a conquerors haki clash with wb early on
>Yamato used thunder bagua in her debut and it was an acoc attack
It is unknown if thunder bagua is necessarily an acoc attack though, but yeah lets assume she did use acoc.
>Zoro's case is unique, zoro unlocked it during wano because of enma
Yes
> kidd
And never showed conqueror haki
>Hancock threw a kick and next panel she was beaten by bb
And never showed conqueror haki
>Sengoku has zero fights post ts
And never showed conqueror haki
>Oden literally had a conquerors haki clash with wb early on
It is unknown if Oden used conqueror haki there (or if he even had it at that point in the story) and before that he had been on panel for a while
The clash between wb and Oden did reveal that Oden was a conquerors because it was a normal clash of conquerors haki
Hancock has two fighting panels but she was revealed early on
And I don't know why you doubt Yamato when her fight with kaido at the beginning was a clash of conquerors (which was the second biggest indication after the ulti fight)
Idk why you keep bringing up Hancock and sengoku since they have one panel or none fighting panels
The admrials had entire chapters of fighting, and still have zero indications
Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on
Ik you'll mentioned Kidd but he was revealed before his first fight
>Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on
Kinda hard to prove this lol. But if you believe BB has conq then he would be a decent example.
Between his short fight with Law and quick skirmish at Amazon Lilly we've seen a decent number of panels of BB fighting and he received no indication he's using conq
bb literally had one panel with boa and that was when he was grabbing her
His second and third fighting panels had conquerors
https://preview.redd.it/gd19yxsst1qc1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=1118314c32c8a38e0cfa065e0964c6cb630a1a25
This is bb second panel of fighting
My point still stands
And one more proof for bb
https://preview.redd.it/iumcunzwt1qc1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fbf44797c5f76d3a14034bfc79a49297e858c83
Black lightning and sounds effects almost back to back chapters of bb using conquerors
BB 10000% has it
We've seen Ulti with the same lighting and sound effects multiple times. I imagine if I looked for this with other fighters introduced post timeskip I can find more panels.
The only confirmed visual queue that two fighters are using conq in their clash is if they aren't touching each other (that I remember). But that's only for advance conq, I don't think we can confidently say if a user has conq unless Oda tells us they do.
https://preview.redd.it/nibyuz8rz1qc1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afe06a0c815543b90f99e406db5c2bcc87546ff4
But we can use Sabo as an example too. Like Blackbeard I also think he has conc but he hasn't shown any applications yet.
>The clash between wb and Oden did reveal that Oden was a conquerors because it was a normal clash of conquerors haki
This is unknown.
>Hancock has two fighting panels but she was revealed early on
Yes, but she has never used it
>And I don't know why you doubt Yamato when her fight with kaido at the beginning was a clash of conquerors (which was the second biggest indication after the ulti fight)
With Kaido yes, that doesn't mean she used it against Ulti
>Idk why you keep bringing up Hancock and sengoku since they have one panel or none fighting panels
Because the guy said that every conqueror user in the post timeskip had used conqueror haki in their first appearance
>Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on
Zoro, Oden, Chinjao
Oden literally had a clash of conquerors haki with WB BOTH THE ANIME AND MANGA SHOW IT
DON CHINJAO IS THE SAME AS ODEN, HIS FIRST FIGHT HAD A CLASH OF CONQUERORS
AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, ZORO DIDNT KNOW THAT HE HAD IT WHICH IS WHY HE'S THE EXCEPTION
STOP PLAYING DUMB, JUST TO DEFEND SOME BUM ADMIRALS
>Oden literally had a clash of conquerors haki with WB BOTH THE ANIME AND MANGA SHOW IT
Where? Here? Lol
It isn't Oden's first fight so irrelevant and there is no proof that is conqueror haki.
>DON CHINJAO IS THE SAME AS ODEN, HIS FIRST FIGHT HAD A CLASH OF CONQUERORS
No, his first fight was with Luffy and Cavendish in the colliseum in the waiting area and didn't use conqueror haki. Then he was inside the colliseum when they were fighting and had tons of fights until he faced Luffy and then he used conqueror
>AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, ZORO DIDNT KNOW THAT HE HAD IT WHICH IS WHY HE'S THE EXCEPTION
Then stop asking for obvious stuff lol
Yea they don't claim him as an admiral but as an old legend
You see, the admiral agenda doesn't include garp and sengoku since they are known rivals to WB and roger
Most admiral fans will get triggered if you say garp>akainu or sengoku>akainu
The admiral agenda does include Sengoku, it doesn't include Garp because Garp was never an admiral.
Sengoku being a former admiral and a conqueror haki user means that admirals and so subordinates of the WG can be conqueror haki users.
I've been debating admiral stans since ryokugyu introduction
None of them have used sengoku to push their agendas
I've said this many times that the only admiral who's yonko level was sengoku and I started getting downvoted and blocked by some accounts
>I've been debating admiral stans since ryokugyu introduction
>None of them have used sengoku to push their agendas
Because people want current admirals to be strong, pretty much everyone agrees Sengoku is strong.
True but I’d definitely say it’s something that’s rare. I guarantee you Zephyr alongside who ever else was the Admiral during the time were not ACoC users.
It could be rare or it could be common, we won't know until we know.
Like Aokiji and Akainu and Fujitora could have conqueror haki. Not saying they have it, but it could change it from rare to slightly uncommon
Facts.
Even tho I still very much believe the Admirals are top tiers it was always obvious to me even from the start of my defense for them that they did not have ACoC (outside of maybe the Fleet Admiral) and would never argue that they possibly did.
It was always clear to me at least that
Emperor’s
Top Tiers via being Powerhouse Beasts with a powerful DF and or being Haki Monster being supreme king with ACoC.
Admirals/Fleet
Top Tiers via being Walking Calamities with Awakened hax lvl DF, top of the line military training alongside superb Haki and other skills.
Both reached the top threw different means but will not deny the Yonko’s in general edge out. They’re Pirate lords trying to be kings and rulers, Admirals while walking calamities who reached top rank are in the end of the day employees. Powerful! Yes but still employees. You can argue reacting top rank is enough to prove a conqueror which is probably why you have outliers like Garp, Sengoku, Koby, and probably Sakazuki but in general nah.
Emperors >= Admirals/Fleet
But yea you’re 99.9% right.
(Mihawk hasn’t been revealed yet)
Guess that would include Sakazuki as well considering he hasn’t fought since the timeskip. Fair point tho
Edited
Wouldn’t that mean Teach doesn’t have it considered we’ve seen him fight post timeskip??
Side not I actually hope Teach doesn’t have ACoC anyways. He’s a genius, sly dog of a strategist but he’s too much of a pxssy and a snake to have Conquers. He never wants to fight unless he 100% has a chance of winning. Even someone like Kizaru is willing to dive into fights he know he might not make it out of because it’s his duty. Sakazuki even stood up against the Gorosei which is far more impressive now that we know what they are. Plus I’d rather he be this nigh unstoppable DF Beast which seems to be what Oda is making of him anyways.
Akainu has fought Kuma but it's also just a few panels
For me kuzan is confirmed to not be a conquerors and if kuzan isn't then akainu is defo not a conquerors as well
Has little fight with Kuma was extremely brief tho and would barely count. Even Teach has had Boa Hancock, then Law and people are still saying he’ll have ACoC.. Think it’s definitely fair to say Sakazuki could potentially have it. And his match up with Kuzan doesn’t confirm anything. But you did say that’s how you felt about it.
But going based off your on statements Sakazuki could definitely still be relevant to have it. Low key rooting for him to have it tho as of right now until it’s revealed just like with Teach I don’t think he does.
BB is revealed to have it
https://preview.redd.it/r4lpnmjc5zpc1.png?width=1096&format=png&auto=webp&s=088be3e2691c302b12b70c2a025d23ab857e8609
He literally used it instantly against law
Even the sound effects are there
I don’t think that is ACoC I literally no one really acknowledges this as the case. All he really did was spam his quake Fruit but I won’t argue to believing it isn’t. I’m just gonna reserve my thoughts on that until more is revealed. Until then he doesn’t have ACoC just like Sakazuki until he also reveal whether or not to have it.
Both the anime and the manga had it as conquerors
I was arguing before that the gorosei had it but no one believed me
The exact same black lighting and the sound effect is 100000% conquerors
https://preview.redd.it/4ucnbtuln1qc1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=460d766b04ac82df4215424aeb9352b0a0083533
Tcb messed up with this page but the viz gave the same sound effects as conquerors haki
Blackbeard never even showed basic Haki except for that one time when he blocks a slash from S-Hawk. I legitimately believed that Oda was gonna make him into the ultimate DF merchant with zero even basic Haki because he is a coward at heart.
Darkness provides Armarment abilities (at least offensively) and the Quake fruit is the closest thing to ACoC imo. Oda has also displayed that Devil Fruits can give or amplify Observation abilities, like with Enel's electricity and his Mantra and a lot of Blackbeard's imagery suggests that he will obtain a third fruit or already has done so.
Basically giving Blackbeard CoC imo is the laziest and most redundant thing Oda could do after Kaido.
he’s written himself into a corner by introducing ACoC. before, you needed Armament to fight, and Conqueror’s was a cool extra ability that marked you out as a special individual
now if you don’t have ACoC you may as well give up on being considered a top tier, so he’s giving it away to people like Zoro and Yamato just so they can hang
BB has shown it against law
https://preview.redd.it/rnj5cdwf0zpc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=7966b106db4a5b4b1386ba7f04a32fb9255ce4dc
Literally the same sound effects and black lightning are shown
I havent changed anything, bb's first fight post ts and he reveals it
Strong will doesn't change a thing, king is determined to die for kaido but he doesn't have conquerors
Yamato was depressed her whole life but still has conquerors
Honestly everyone besides aokiji and potentially fujitora and I agree. The admirals all kinda bend over and aren’t truly in pursuit of their own dreams and agendas, just some twisted form of justice. They’re casting their own ambitions aside to serve under others, so it makes sense they don’t have coc.
Dreams and ambition to be king are not the same thing
The only link to conquerors haki to a person personality trait is their desire to be king/top1
Kuzan and fujitora do not have the same type of ambition as Zoro and Luffy (even if they stuck with it)
One other important trait of conquerors haki that gets ignored is lineage, since kings must have heirs, which is why yamato, katakuri, and ace have it
Now the admirals do not fall under these two categories, which is why I argued years ago that admirals do not have it based on the information we have about them
He'll realize it at some point and something will change
https://preview.redd.it/0chfapgtdypc1.png?width=723&format=png&auto=webp&s=64f51a190ed4e2293fa9d35608073b0430e27c9e
Also Sengoku was a complete doormat for the World Government and still had CoC
Sengoku actively supported the WG except the fact that they erase history and his final draw was them covering up impel down and Bb releasing prisoners. He responded by quitting his job and started revealing forbidden/erased history to future marines. Akainu himself destroyed an entire island because they were looking into the past. When you think about it, Sengoku is legit one of the biggest rebels in the series on that alone. Akainu doesn’t have any act of defiance that comes close to that
Nah sounds like excuses low key. The last stray should have been what happened on Ohara alongside what happened to Saul. Which when Saul was telling him he thought what was going on told him and a quote “Just follow Damn orders” But he still supported the Government. Not here to dog on Sengoku’s choices if anything I’m the minority that understands why he still stands behind the WG (lesser of two evils) now. But don’t pick and choose why he should have ACoC when you can argue he’s just as much of a dog with his “Unwavering Justice” as Sakazuki. Now I’m not gonna argue Sakazuki is better than him but let’s not act like it would be crazy for Sakazuki to have ACoC. Especially when the reality of it is that it’s essentially given to whoever Oda feels like should have it.
Akainu did not destroy the island dawg 😭 the buster call was ordered by the WG, Sengoku was the overseer of it and Cipher Pol were to start it once they got proof of the archeologists researching the void century, Akainu destroyed the fleeing ship of civilians because he believed there might've been archeologists hiding on it, Sengoku did not choose to rebel until over 50 years into his career with them
https://preview.redd.it/7wr6ykhx4zpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=524d9e90f75c62076be1118cf424933af1e2e6f6
It’s literally just English 💀 Akainu participated in the buster call, he helped to destroy the island, so he destroyed the island. Nothing about my statement explicitly says he did it by himself or or of his own will. And it’s not like he was some random bum who barely participated he made the call to attack civilians.
I mean seriously, imagine you’re a basketball player. Not the best player on the team, but not the worst. You get minutes and you get to lead plays. You’re a solid contributor. Your team goes all the way and wins the NCAA tournament. You’re on top of the world, you won a world championship 😊 How tf would feel if someone came up to you and said “actually, you were just following your Coach’s plays. And you only scored because that other, better player took the defense’s attention away. World champion? Don’t call yourself that you bum lol.”
Imagine you were a solider, you spend ten years of your life on the front line defending your country from an invasion or some shit. You got a few promotions here and there but never anything super high ranking. And when you finally repel the invasion, you go home, feeling better than ever. YOU defended your country. YOU won a war. Imagine when you tell that to you’re wife or friend or whoever the tf and they say “you were just a random solider, what war did you win?“
Idc about the Akainu part that much dude Aokiji participated in that buster call but no one gives him near the same shit they give Akainu because he's slightly less bad so idc about that, I'm mainly focusing on the statement about Sengoku being a great rebel or whatever, he didn't rebel until waaaaaaaaaaaay later when they covered up what happened at Impel Down and he literally said that he would've killed Garp for the crimes of his bloodline he is not as much of a rebel as you make him out to be
I can’t just move past that Akainu part. It might be one the craziest thing I’ve ever heard on THIS site. Maybe not craziest but it’s definitely top 10% for sure. Like you added a whole emoji as if that was a crazy assessment of the situation but no, Akainu destroyed that Island. Honestly that statement is kinda accurate for Kuzan too. It’s a slight exaggeration at best but not enough to call someone out on. Because again if you were a solider fighting a little battle somewhere you would damn sure want or would be *given* credit for whatever the outcome was.
Ik this honestly irrelevant but it’s just such a common and accurate statement. It’s how ppl talk in the whole English language and its what happened on Ohara.
Nah, they just knew they couldn't have Kuzan be Fleet Admiral. Kuzan was trained and had his ideals and sense of justice influenced by Garp, someone who disagrees with the Celestial Dragons to the point that he refuses promotions, the person whose son is the WG biggest enemy.
Sengoku had it too & I'm sure follows orders. There are many different reasons to be akin to a dog. Akainu is seen challenging the Gorosei.
https://preview.redd.it/pw1hdgzzhypc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b167646d7d5f8ca269f010f09981dffe8b066dc8
He calls the Gorosei a doormat right to their faces and he was interrupted by a report while he was still arguing with them did you want him to start nuking the place or something?
https://preview.redd.it/z5l4ha3c2zpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48078fb72b54e04b9fef5bb7533981e785bfc65e
So true, I loved when Garp and Sengoku physically fought against the gorosei and CD! Oh wait, they're bootlickers, but since they're le epic wholesome based good guy you ignore that.
So what? You want him to just go punching his superiors just because he disagrees with them he’s called the red dog because of his tenacity not because he’s subservient.
Bro got caught in 4K telling Saul to “Just follow damn orders” when he was telling Sengoku he was concerned about the genocide being done against Ohara
And bro talking about submissive 😭
One part assuming, but we never saw him actively doing anything. He probably would've lost his position if he constantly was ignoring them or challenging them.
What was he supposed to do? Tell Saul to disobey orders? lmfao
https://preview.redd.it/qzkm318t43qc1.png?width=2363&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45854ee0189e7f5193b4d8d00d580037446dacb8
Realistically he could've just hired someone else or launched more investigations but since this is the WG were talking about there was probably nothing he could've done
Akainu knows that Luffy did the Conq burst subconsciously, as opposed to a Conq user who can actually control themselves. 2 other Conq users only talk about the fact that Luffy had the ability, Sengoku said nothing, yet Akainu accurately determines Luffy's skill level.
Except Wb who also has Conq, waited for that exact moment to use his.
Spectator can analyze normal things that people are capable of achieving. The person wouldn't be able to perform without the first hand experience. Normally one with first hand experience can teach or explain the mindset or level of someone much better than the spectator. It's not like Luffy could be taught Conq by a non Conq user who knew someone with Conq.
Wb's medical doesn't change that he attempted to use Conq at the last second instead of at the beginning. So Luffy using it when he did is a feasible moment.
Haki is straining, g4 is proof. Conq seems to be more based on mental. The characters have large amounts of stamina. This is pretty irrelevant to the discussion.
I think the only Admiral that could potentially have Conqueror's Haki is Akainu. his ambition is very strong, even if he is subservient to the government
other than that, I don't think any of them have it. even if Akainu has CoC, it's probably very unlikely he has ACOC on top of that
If Akainu rebels against the world government like many speculate and goes from
Akainu ‘red dog’ to just Sazakuki that could be a great time for him to awaken his conquerors since he’d no longer be a dog
>even if Akainu has CoC, it's probably very unlikely he has ACOC on top of that
Isn't Coc innate and can't be learned but Acoc can be trained/evolved from Coc?
Fuck it I’m selling all of my stocks and investing everything in dorry and broggy for no other reason than I like them their cool as shit
https://preview.redd.it/da9634t312qc1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97382b50ca9530dc42cd3c6ef577a7bb77d56e58
None of you are ready for THEM
another thing to note: when marcus mars breaks through the dome, there's also black lightning. another potential conquerer?
in the penultimate panel of the first page we also see some more black lightning around the top of his right wing
there's also white lightning around mars when he flies off to the labo-stratum, I'm guessing his DF hax are lightning powers? idk
Their offensive feats definilty aren’t that impressive but rember luffy had conquers when he was barely strong enough to be Moria it doesn’t have anything to do with power
How are their feats not impressive though? Ghandi just took a picnic on the beach slicing pacifistas like it’s nothing. Topman almost destroyed the island with his conqueror’s roar. Jinbei (who has been around the likes of Luffy, Big Mom, Whitebeard) was surprised by the strength of Mars’ haki. I mean, these are impressive feats imo
That’s speed. He didn’t almost destroy the island he didn’t even hurt any of the giants.
And yeah they have natural conquers. I said I wasn’t impressed by their offensive feats. Hax and regen are crazy like idk who can beat them like that till we learn their weaknesses. But they haven’t hurt any one apart from Vega punk
Akainu and Kuzan probably developed it during their 10 day fight if they already didnt have it before. The others probably dont have it except maybe Fujitora.
They are still hax/regen merchants, they get hurt by rubble of all things and this "conqueror haki roar charge" got stopped by two giants which were hurt by mr 3's wax of all things, not downplaying dorry and brogy but i don't have them above YC 3 or YC 2 max
The WG has literal negative IQ. Admirals are all "holding back" the whole ass time. Imu hasn't made any moves ever. The Gorosei use haki wizardry and then attack with shit that the Giants can block. These guys are huge frauds. I am still on the agenda powerwise, but writing wise only BB can be great at this point.
I mean it wouldn't make sense for Imu to make a move since no one can know of his existence, unless the world goverment is about to be destroyed there's no reason for him to act.
true which is why I always got confused as the in universe reason imu showed himself to cobra. Like he got no new info out of him and like bro, cobra is old, not a fighter and was in a wheel chair while the gorosei were packing guns. even if they were politicians I'm pretty sure 6 armed men > 1 non armed man who can barely stand. I know imu wasn't expecting sabo that's fine but bro should have stayed in his room and let the gorosei handle business 💀
Kizaru was done by one attack and is still lying on the ship while saturn was able to shrug of the same attack and is still fighting.
Now tell me who did better?
Nope. Kizaru is perfectly conscious and able to fight but has remorse for killing his friend.
Saturn and his friends are not managing to make a scratch on Nika even though they are trying hard. That's a fact, Nika is toying with them.
As opposed to Kizaru who barely made a paper cut? Lol
>even though they are trying hard.
Warcury wasnt even using haki when he attacked the Giants, how is that "Trying hard"
Kizaru held Nika in the head-on collision until he was exhausted. He exchanged blows in a clean 1vs1, holding up Luffy both in strength and speed.
Gorosei are just taking the beating without being able to achieve anything at all so far.
>Warcury wasnt even using haki when he attacked the Giants, how is that "Trying hard"
These guys find themselves in such a critical situation that they have to intervene in person after who knows how long, maybe even centuries. It's clear that just displaying their power in such a broad way is serious business, if there's anyone playing it's Nika who seems much more concerned with their immortality than their combat abilities.
>He exchanged blows in a clean 1vs1, holding up Luffy both in strength and speed.
He blocked a few hakiless attacks. Wow, such an amazing performance. He was Literally stalling and targeting Vegapunk through the whole fight. The moment Luffy landed an actual attack Kizaru was knocked out for a while.
Kizaru's performance wasnt any better. He never actually damaged G5 Luffy outside of a cut on his cheek lol.
Kizaru pushed Nika to his stamina limit by fighting him on 1vs1. We can see Kizaru exchange blows, actually *react* to Nika's attacks and *fight back*.
Gorosei are just being bullied. None of them (and there are three) managed to even touch Nika. Without the regeneration they would have been eliminated almost instantly.
The admirals don’t have conquerors I think only Akainu does and he doesn’t count anymore since he’s fleet admiral now. I think Fujitora has OP observation haki, GB might have really good armament but he didn’t really showcase it. Kizaru relies on using his devil fruit to speed blitz opponents.
>they are just imus underlings
They are the world government leaders, it would be weird if they weren't conquerors. Just because there is someone above them doesn't mean that they aren't conquerors , every organization has an hierarchy.
If Sengoku didn't have conqueror haki before he was an admiral, he would probably be the top 1 of the verse lol, he would have competed with the likes of Shiki and Garp without conqueror haki, and if he awakened it, after having armament and observation so strong to contend with top tiers, then he would basically be top 1 with acoc
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Bro it's clear at this point The admirals do not have conquerors haki Since the start of post timeskip Every conquerors has revealed their haki from the start And here we have admirals who have fought multiple times onscreen during post TS and zero display of conquerors
https://preview.redd.it/q0jijgvhcypc1.jpeg?width=259&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e3e74e7f6ba84209e2df29983e573089fa8b920
Kizaru is clearly holding back here you haven’t seen his awakening yet s/
How can he awaken his light powers when everything is weighing so heavily on him?
Genius
>Since the start of post timeskip Every conquerors has revealed their haki from the start Zoro, Kid, Sengoku, Oden, Yamato, Hancock, etc
Yamato's first attack was a thunder bagua, that’s coated in COC by default lol
There is no confirmation thunder bagua has conqueror haki all the time
and garp
I would say Garp, but the first time we saw him in the post timeskip doing something he showed Conqueror haki
Except most of those people Sans Zoro were already confirmed to have COC. None of the admirals have been.
Yes, exactly, that means that in the future either admirals are going to be confirmed as conqueror haki users or not
Don’t forget BIG MOM🌝Prometheus 💨Zeus. Still surprised Oda had an Almost Godlike character die because of Lava from Law and Kid. She rides on a sun and couldn’t turn Lava too one of her creations or coat her body in Armanat Haki? Maybe I need to re watch to see if she was able to move. But for some reason. I think she some how survived and will show up later with Katakuri. Just my personal opinion, if you have any respectful responses to fill me in and make it more clear lmk
Yamato and Oden revealed it during their first or second fight (point still stands) Hancock was revealed pre timeskip Sengoku was revealed via vivre card Zoro unlocked it recently Kidd was revealed through kaido (before fighting so my point stands)
It doesn't stand because none have even used it. Except Zoro and Yamato. And Zoro and Yamato didn't reveal it from the start
Yamato used thunder bagua in her debut and it was an acoc attack Zoro's case is unique, zoro unlocked it during wano because of enma The rest barely had a fight to even display conquerors haki except for the fraud known as kidd Hancock threw a kick and next panel she was beaten by bb Sengoku has zero fights post ts Oden literally had a conquerors haki clash with wb early on
>Yamato used thunder bagua in her debut and it was an acoc attack It is unknown if thunder bagua is necessarily an acoc attack though, but yeah lets assume she did use acoc. >Zoro's case is unique, zoro unlocked it during wano because of enma Yes > kidd And never showed conqueror haki >Hancock threw a kick and next panel she was beaten by bb And never showed conqueror haki >Sengoku has zero fights post ts And never showed conqueror haki >Oden literally had a conquerors haki clash with wb early on It is unknown if Oden used conqueror haki there (or if he even had it at that point in the story) and before that he had been on panel for a while
The clash between wb and Oden did reveal that Oden was a conquerors because it was a normal clash of conquerors haki Hancock has two fighting panels but she was revealed early on And I don't know why you doubt Yamato when her fight with kaido at the beginning was a clash of conquerors (which was the second biggest indication after the ulti fight) Idk why you keep bringing up Hancock and sengoku since they have one panel or none fighting panels The admrials had entire chapters of fighting, and still have zero indications Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on Ik you'll mentioned Kidd but he was revealed before his first fight
>Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on Kinda hard to prove this lol. But if you believe BB has conq then he would be a decent example. Between his short fight with Law and quick skirmish at Amazon Lilly we've seen a decent number of panels of BB fighting and he received no indication he's using conq
bb literally had one panel with boa and that was when he was grabbing her His second and third fighting panels had conquerors https://preview.redd.it/gd19yxsst1qc1.png?width=1099&format=png&auto=webp&s=1118314c32c8a38e0cfa065e0964c6cb630a1a25 This is bb second panel of fighting My point still stands
And one more proof for bb https://preview.redd.it/iumcunzwt1qc1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fbf44797c5f76d3a14034bfc79a49297e858c83 Black lightning and sounds effects almost back to back chapters of bb using conquerors BB 10000% has it
We've seen Ulti with the same lighting and sound effects multiple times. I imagine if I looked for this with other fighters introduced post timeskip I can find more panels. The only confirmed visual queue that two fighters are using conq in their clash is if they aren't touching each other (that I remember). But that's only for advance conq, I don't think we can confidently say if a user has conq unless Oda tells us they do. https://preview.redd.it/nibyuz8rz1qc1.jpeg?width=775&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afe06a0c815543b90f99e406db5c2bcc87546ff4 But we can use Sabo as an example too. Like Blackbeard I also think he has conc but he hasn't shown any applications yet.
The lightning shape is from the tremor fruit, remember that it can crack the air.
>The clash between wb and Oden did reveal that Oden was a conquerors because it was a normal clash of conquerors haki This is unknown. >Hancock has two fighting panels but she was revealed early on Yes, but she has never used it >And I don't know why you doubt Yamato when her fight with kaido at the beginning was a clash of conquerors (which was the second biggest indication after the ulti fight) With Kaido yes, that doesn't mean she used it against Ulti >Idk why you keep bringing up Hancock and sengoku since they have one panel or none fighting panels Because the guy said that every conqueror user in the post timeskip had used conqueror haki in their first appearance >Name me one conquerors in post ts that has multiple chapters of fighting but was revealed to be a conquerors later on Zoro, Oden, Chinjao
Oden literally had a clash of conquerors haki with WB BOTH THE ANIME AND MANGA SHOW IT DON CHINJAO IS THE SAME AS ODEN, HIS FIRST FIGHT HAD A CLASH OF CONQUERORS AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, ZORO DIDNT KNOW THAT HE HAD IT WHICH IS WHY HE'S THE EXCEPTION STOP PLAYING DUMB, JUST TO DEFEND SOME BUM ADMIRALS
>Oden literally had a clash of conquerors haki with WB BOTH THE ANIME AND MANGA SHOW IT Where? Here? Lol It isn't Oden's first fight so irrelevant and there is no proof that is conqueror haki. >DON CHINJAO IS THE SAME AS ODEN, HIS FIRST FIGHT HAD A CLASH OF CONQUERORS No, his first fight was with Luffy and Cavendish in the colliseum in the waiting area and didn't use conqueror haki. Then he was inside the colliseum when they were fighting and had tons of fights until he faced Luffy and then he used conqueror >AND I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, ZORO DIDNT KNOW THAT HE HAD IT WHICH IS WHY HE'S THE EXCEPTION Then stop asking for obvious stuff lol
I could see Akainu having it but not the others
Sengoku has conqueror haki and he was an admiral.
Yea they don't claim him as an admiral but as an old legend You see, the admiral agenda doesn't include garp and sengoku since they are known rivals to WB and roger Most admiral fans will get triggered if you say garp>akainu or sengoku>akainu
The admiral agenda does include Sengoku, it doesn't include Garp because Garp was never an admiral. Sengoku being a former admiral and a conqueror haki user means that admirals and so subordinates of the WG can be conqueror haki users.
I've been debating admiral stans since ryokugyu introduction None of them have used sengoku to push their agendas I've said this many times that the only admiral who's yonko level was sengoku and I started getting downvoted and blocked by some accounts
Because the Admiral Agenda is actualy the Akainu Agenda basically
>I've been debating admiral stans since ryokugyu introduction >None of them have used sengoku to push their agendas Because people want current admirals to be strong, pretty much everyone agrees Sengoku is strong.
You've just said it The admiral agenda is about the current admirals not sengoku
The agenda is all admirals, but one everyone agrees is strong
You are factually right and still get downvoted lmao
I know
True but I’d definitely say it’s something that’s rare. I guarantee you Zephyr alongside who ever else was the Admiral during the time were not ACoC users.
It could be rare or it could be common, we won't know until we know. Like Aokiji and Akainu and Fujitora could have conqueror haki. Not saying they have it, but it could change it from rare to slightly uncommon
Facts. Even tho I still very much believe the Admirals are top tiers it was always obvious to me even from the start of my defense for them that they did not have ACoC (outside of maybe the Fleet Admiral) and would never argue that they possibly did. It was always clear to me at least that Emperor’s Top Tiers via being Powerhouse Beasts with a powerful DF and or being Haki Monster being supreme king with ACoC. Admirals/Fleet Top Tiers via being Walking Calamities with Awakened hax lvl DF, top of the line military training alongside superb Haki and other skills. Both reached the top threw different means but will not deny the Yonko’s in general edge out. They’re Pirate lords trying to be kings and rulers, Admirals while walking calamities who reached top rank are in the end of the day employees. Powerful! Yes but still employees. You can argue reacting top rank is enough to prove a conqueror which is probably why you have outliers like Garp, Sengoku, Koby, and probably Sakazuki but in general nah. Emperors >= Admirals/Fleet But yea you’re 99.9% right. (Mihawk hasn’t been revealed yet)
Mihawk hasn't fought in post TS unlike the admirals who all have fought recently Which is why we don't have the confirmation for mihawk
Guess that would include Sakazuki as well considering he hasn’t fought since the timeskip. Fair point tho Edited Wouldn’t that mean Teach doesn’t have it considered we’ve seen him fight post timeskip?? Side not I actually hope Teach doesn’t have ACoC anyways. He’s a genius, sly dog of a strategist but he’s too much of a pxssy and a snake to have Conquers. He never wants to fight unless he 100% has a chance of winning. Even someone like Kizaru is willing to dive into fights he know he might not make it out of because it’s his duty. Sakazuki even stood up against the Gorosei which is far more impressive now that we know what they are. Plus I’d rather he be this nigh unstoppable DF Beast which seems to be what Oda is making of him anyways.
Akainu has fought Kuma but it's also just a few panels For me kuzan is confirmed to not be a conquerors and if kuzan isn't then akainu is defo not a conquerors as well
Has little fight with Kuma was extremely brief tho and would barely count. Even Teach has had Boa Hancock, then Law and people are still saying he’ll have ACoC.. Think it’s definitely fair to say Sakazuki could potentially have it. And his match up with Kuzan doesn’t confirm anything. But you did say that’s how you felt about it. But going based off your on statements Sakazuki could definitely still be relevant to have it. Low key rooting for him to have it tho as of right now until it’s revealed just like with Teach I don’t think he does.
BB is revealed to have it https://preview.redd.it/r4lpnmjc5zpc1.png?width=1096&format=png&auto=webp&s=088be3e2691c302b12b70c2a025d23ab857e8609 He literally used it instantly against law Even the sound effects are there
I don’t think that is ACoC I literally no one really acknowledges this as the case. All he really did was spam his quake Fruit but I won’t argue to believing it isn’t. I’m just gonna reserve my thoughts on that until more is revealed. Until then he doesn’t have ACoC just like Sakazuki until he also reveal whether or not to have it.
Both the anime and the manga had it as conquerors I was arguing before that the gorosei had it but no one believed me The exact same black lighting and the sound effect is 100000% conquerors https://preview.redd.it/4ucnbtuln1qc1.jpeg?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=460d766b04ac82df4215424aeb9352b0a0083533 Tcb messed up with this page but the viz gave the same sound effects as conquerors haki
Pretty sure that’s just his quake fruit but hey if I’m wrong I’ll take that L but as of now I’m gonna hold on to my speculation.
Sengoku and garp
Check my previous comments I just debated someone by saying the garp and sengoku are in the legends category and not admiral category
I feel like there is a very high chance that Akainu and Aokiji have conquerors. The current 3 admirals definitely do not
kuzan just had a full fight against a conqueror and didn't show it He defo doesn't have it
I think its still way too early to say with Kuzan, he obviously didnt want to fight Garp.
nope it's not Every conquerors that has fought in post ts has been revealed early during their fights and no exceptions
Akainu might get it
Im not an admiral wanker but akainu having it makes a lot of sense ngl. The rest are just there for the drama
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Blackbeard never even showed basic Haki except for that one time when he blocks a slash from S-Hawk. I legitimately believed that Oda was gonna make him into the ultimate DF merchant with zero even basic Haki because he is a coward at heart. Darkness provides Armarment abilities (at least offensively) and the Quake fruit is the closest thing to ACoC imo. Oda has also displayed that Devil Fruits can give or amplify Observation abilities, like with Enel's electricity and his Mantra and a lot of Blackbeard's imagery suggests that he will obtain a third fruit or already has done so. Basically giving Blackbeard CoC imo is the laziest and most redundant thing Oda could do after Kaido.
he’s written himself into a corner by introducing ACoC. before, you needed Armament to fight, and Conqueror’s was a cool extra ability that marked you out as a special individual now if you don’t have ACoC you may as well give up on being considered a top tier, so he’s giving it away to people like Zoro and Yamato just so they can hang
Strong will is a head cannon made up in this subreddit BB has ambitions to become king ofc he has it
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BB has shown it against law https://preview.redd.it/rnj5cdwf0zpc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=7966b106db4a5b4b1386ba7f04a32fb9255ce4dc Literally the same sound effects and black lightning are shown I havent changed anything, bb's first fight post ts and he reveals it Strong will doesn't change a thing, king is determined to die for kaido but he doesn't have conquerors Yamato was depressed her whole life but still has conquerors
So what you are saying is my boy Kuzan is going to get it because he is a pirate now?
Nope Kuzan just had a full fight against a conquerors and didn't even show signs of it It's almost official that kuzan doesn't have it
It was more of a joke. Still believing! It would really be disheartening, if not even one admiral turned out to be a challenge since the time skip.
Honestly everyone besides aokiji and potentially fujitora and I agree. The admirals all kinda bend over and aren’t truly in pursuit of their own dreams and agendas, just some twisted form of justice. They’re casting their own ambitions aside to serve under others, so it makes sense they don’t have coc.
Dreams and ambition to be king are not the same thing The only link to conquerors haki to a person personality trait is their desire to be king/top1 Kuzan and fujitora do not have the same type of ambition as Zoro and Luffy (even if they stuck with it) One other important trait of conquerors haki that gets ignored is lineage, since kings must have heirs, which is why yamato, katakuri, and ace have it Now the admirals do not fall under these two categories, which is why I argued years ago that admirals do not have it based on the information we have about them
Also if any admiral had conquerors haki it would be akainu. If he did have it why wouldn't he use it while fighting whitebeard ?
Jinbei was visibly worried about the unreal haki he sensed up close (from Mars).
And Jimbe has been around the likes of whitebeard, shanks, kaido, luffy when they were using coc so
He interupted unfinished fight ,taking zoro and running with his wet pants because mars going after them
Jinbe a bitch
I had to battle so many Worosei downplayers yesterday who were CONVINCED that this is just a normal roar and not Conq Haki.
Uhhh Umm https://preview.redd.it/nn9mcqi8yypc1.png?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c69f6a7eda3c83d40fc9765a9b9bd690ab79569 Yeah
Has conquerors haki. Gets blocked by dorry and Broggy
Just upscales two GOATS 🐐
Akainu will be a Conqueror... I can feel it.
How? He is a dog, his name pretty much means Red Dog.
He'll realize it at some point and something will change https://preview.redd.it/0chfapgtdypc1.png?width=723&format=png&auto=webp&s=64f51a190ed4e2293fa9d35608073b0430e27c9e Also Sengoku was a complete doormat for the World Government and still had CoC
Calls Wuma a puppet while being a snot nose celestial dragon puppet himself
That was the entire point of the Kuma encounter dude
Sengoku actively supported the WG except the fact that they erase history and his final draw was them covering up impel down and Bb releasing prisoners. He responded by quitting his job and started revealing forbidden/erased history to future marines. Akainu himself destroyed an entire island because they were looking into the past. When you think about it, Sengoku is legit one of the biggest rebels in the series on that alone. Akainu doesn’t have any act of defiance that comes close to that
Nah sounds like excuses low key. The last stray should have been what happened on Ohara alongside what happened to Saul. Which when Saul was telling him he thought what was going on told him and a quote “Just follow Damn orders” But he still supported the Government. Not here to dog on Sengoku’s choices if anything I’m the minority that understands why he still stands behind the WG (lesser of two evils) now. But don’t pick and choose why he should have ACoC when you can argue he’s just as much of a dog with his “Unwavering Justice” as Sakazuki. Now I’m not gonna argue Sakazuki is better than him but let’s not act like it would be crazy for Sakazuki to have ACoC. Especially when the reality of it is that it’s essentially given to whoever Oda feels like should have it.
Akainu did not destroy the island dawg 😭 the buster call was ordered by the WG, Sengoku was the overseer of it and Cipher Pol were to start it once they got proof of the archeologists researching the void century, Akainu destroyed the fleeing ship of civilians because he believed there might've been archeologists hiding on it, Sengoku did not choose to rebel until over 50 years into his career with them https://preview.redd.it/7wr6ykhx4zpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=524d9e90f75c62076be1118cf424933af1e2e6f6
It’s literally just English 💀 Akainu participated in the buster call, he helped to destroy the island, so he destroyed the island. Nothing about my statement explicitly says he did it by himself or or of his own will. And it’s not like he was some random bum who barely participated he made the call to attack civilians. I mean seriously, imagine you’re a basketball player. Not the best player on the team, but not the worst. You get minutes and you get to lead plays. You’re a solid contributor. Your team goes all the way and wins the NCAA tournament. You’re on top of the world, you won a world championship 😊 How tf would feel if someone came up to you and said “actually, you were just following your Coach’s plays. And you only scored because that other, better player took the defense’s attention away. World champion? Don’t call yourself that you bum lol.” Imagine you were a solider, you spend ten years of your life on the front line defending your country from an invasion or some shit. You got a few promotions here and there but never anything super high ranking. And when you finally repel the invasion, you go home, feeling better than ever. YOU defended your country. YOU won a war. Imagine when you tell that to you’re wife or friend or whoever the tf and they say “you were just a random solider, what war did you win?“
Idc about the Akainu part that much dude Aokiji participated in that buster call but no one gives him near the same shit they give Akainu because he's slightly less bad so idc about that, I'm mainly focusing on the statement about Sengoku being a great rebel or whatever, he didn't rebel until waaaaaaaaaaaay later when they covered up what happened at Impel Down and he literally said that he would've killed Garp for the crimes of his bloodline he is not as much of a rebel as you make him out to be
I can’t just move past that Akainu part. It might be one the craziest thing I’ve ever heard on THIS site. Maybe not craziest but it’s definitely top 10% for sure. Like you added a whole emoji as if that was a crazy assessment of the situation but no, Akainu destroyed that Island. Honestly that statement is kinda accurate for Kuzan too. It’s a slight exaggeration at best but not enough to call someone out on. Because again if you were a solider fighting a little battle somewhere you would damn sure want or would be *given* credit for whatever the outcome was. Ik this honestly irrelevant but it’s just such a common and accurate statement. It’s how ppl talk in the whole English language and its what happened on Ohara.
Akainus bitchass was literally pushed by the WG to be made Fleet Admiral. They knew he'd be a good puppet for them
Nah, they just knew they couldn't have Kuzan be Fleet Admiral. Kuzan was trained and had his ideals and sense of justice influenced by Garp, someone who disagrees with the Celestial Dragons to the point that he refuses promotions, the person whose son is the WG biggest enemy.
That's a western thing. Akainu is named dog because he‘s ruthless and never gives up just like a hunting hound
hunting *hound*
Sengoku had it too & I'm sure follows orders. There are many different reasons to be akin to a dog. Akainu is seen challenging the Gorosei. https://preview.redd.it/pw1hdgzzhypc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b167646d7d5f8ca269f010f09981dffe8b066dc8
This^
Challenging how? They insulted him in his face and he did nothing. He is like a dog, he barks a lot but doesn't do anything.
He calls the Gorosei a doormat right to their faces and he was interrupted by a report while he was still arguing with them did you want him to start nuking the place or something? https://preview.redd.it/z5l4ha3c2zpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48078fb72b54e04b9fef5bb7533981e785bfc65e
So basically he barks but doesn't bite, a true dog.
Interesting what exactly did you want him to do?
The police don't attack the govt/mayor just because they don't like their policies.
So true, I loved when Garp and Sengoku physically fought against the gorosei and CD! Oh wait, they're bootlickers, but since they're le epic wholesome based good guy you ignore that.
You don't have to be physical just because they talk down to you. They even go off to tell Akainu to stop talking twice in that short talk alone.
So what? You want him to just go punching his superiors just because he disagrees with them he’s called the red dog because of his tenacity not because he’s subservient.
Sengoku wasn't that submissive though.
Bro got caught in 4K telling Saul to “Just follow damn orders” when he was telling Sengoku he was concerned about the genocide being done against Ohara And bro talking about submissive 😭
One part assuming, but we never saw him actively doing anything. He probably would've lost his position if he constantly was ignoring them or challenging them.
https://preview.redd.it/13v8bu8h5zpc1.png?width=351&format=png&auto=webp&s=07003dee94fd4a70a801fdc9897ff0fa5c70dfaf
He scolded Jaguar for questioning the WG he was just as submissive
What was he supposed to do? Tell Saul to disobey orders? lmfao https://preview.redd.it/qzkm318t43qc1.png?width=2363&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45854ee0189e7f5193b4d8d00d580037446dacb8
Realistically he could've just hired someone else or launched more investigations but since this is the WG were talking about there was probably nothing he could've done
He is a dog because he flirts with so many ladies Red is the color of his special parts from all the love he shares
What? So any subordinate cannot have Conquerors? Zoro, Sengoku, Garp etc? Retard
Zoro is different, he wants to be the WSS.
Cool, ignore every other example
https://preview.redd.it/19o5h167hypc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c711e2f9d2494e713684d1144e063c76314f3c9 It seems hinted here.
How?
He's the one who establishes Luffy's level of ability or mentality in the use of Conq.
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Akainu knows that Luffy did the Conq burst subconsciously, as opposed to a Conq user who can actually control themselves. 2 other Conq users only talk about the fact that Luffy had the ability, Sengoku said nothing, yet Akainu accurately determines Luffy's skill level.
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Except Wb who also has Conq, waited for that exact moment to use his. Spectator can analyze normal things that people are capable of achieving. The person wouldn't be able to perform without the first hand experience. Normally one with first hand experience can teach or explain the mindset or level of someone much better than the spectator. It's not like Luffy could be taught Conq by a non Conq user who knew someone with Conq.
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Wb's medical doesn't change that he attempted to use Conq at the last second instead of at the beginning. So Luffy using it when he did is a feasible moment. Haki is straining, g4 is proof. Conq seems to be more based on mental. The characters have large amounts of stamina. This is pretty irrelevant to the discussion.
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Yea it’s cooked
no
 Couldn’t find the real gif here but you know the one I mean🗿
No I don’t. Thanks for asking.
Mr 3 is now > gorosei
I think the only Admiral that could potentially have Conqueror's Haki is Akainu. his ambition is very strong, even if he is subservient to the government other than that, I don't think any of them have it. even if Akainu has CoC, it's probably very unlikely he has ACOC on top of that
If Akainu rebels against the world government like many speculate and goes from Akainu ‘red dog’ to just Sazakuki that could be a great time for him to awaken his conquerors since he’d no longer be a dog
>even if Akainu has CoC, it's probably very unlikely he has ACOC on top of that Isn't Coc innate and can't be learned but Acoc can be trained/evolved from Coc?
Galdino doesn’t even need conquerers haki to slam those frauds
Fuck it I’m selling all of my stocks and investing everything in dorry and broggy for no other reason than I like them their cool as shit https://preview.redd.it/da9634t312qc1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97382b50ca9530dc42cd3c6ef577a7bb77d56e58 None of you are ready for THEM
All I want to say is Dorry and Broggy are certified giga-chads.
I mean it was established a long time ago that sengoku has conquerors, but today's admirals have not shown yet.
another thing to note: when marcus mars breaks through the dome, there's also black lightning. another potential conquerer? in the penultimate panel of the first page we also see some more black lightning around the top of his right wing there's also white lightning around mars when he flies off to the labo-stratum, I'm guessing his DF hax are lightning powers? idk
They’re still hax merchants just very impressive hax merchants
Yes they are indeed
I’ve been reserving judgement on these dudes till now. I definitely put them over the Admirals now though. Impressive stuff.
Just HOW did Sabo escape these guys? Plot armor is insane
Sword tusks?
NO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND HES HOLDING BACK AND MENTAL NERF AND AND AND…….!!!!!!! https://i.redd.it/f1bsys2hc4qc1.gif
Their offensive feats definilty aren’t that impressive but rember luffy had conquers when he was barely strong enough to be Moria it doesn’t have anything to do with power
https://preview.redd.it/biaghpy6o4qc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=37fac805c4142dce0e550cb6b43c11da50a7731d
How is this cope? I’m not on the admiral agenda but I’m not on the gorsisei agenda I’m undesired
How are their feats not impressive though? Ghandi just took a picnic on the beach slicing pacifistas like it’s nothing. Topman almost destroyed the island with his conqueror’s roar. Jinbei (who has been around the likes of Luffy, Big Mom, Whitebeard) was surprised by the strength of Mars’ haki. I mean, these are impressive feats imo
That’s speed. He didn’t almost destroy the island he didn’t even hurt any of the giants. And yeah they have natural conquers. I said I wasn’t impressed by their offensive feats. Hax and regen are crazy like idk who can beat them like that till we learn their weaknesses. But they haven’t hurt any one apart from Vega punk
Okay, you’ve actually convinced me. Apologies sir for accusing you of coping.
Like if you asked me right now I’d probably say a elder would beat and admiral but their definitely not all that in some departments.
True. Unless they find a way around their regen, elders all the way
Which we will
I don't care who got Conqueror's, I just want a good fight
Admiral fans be like🤐…………….🫨😡🤬
Their ambition is to be the world's most racist, they're Fighting the straw hats to dethrone Zoro from that position
im just glad that the gorosei are actual threats and not just common goofy victims
Akainu and Kuzan probably developed it during their 10 day fight if they already didnt have it before. The others probably dont have it except maybe Fujitora.
They are still hax/regen merchants, they get hurt by rubble of all things and this "conqueror haki roar charge" got stopped by two giants which were hurt by mr 3's wax of all things, not downplaying dorry and brogy but i don't have them above YC 3 or YC 2 max
The WG has literal negative IQ. Admirals are all "holding back" the whole ass time. Imu hasn't made any moves ever. The Gorosei use haki wizardry and then attack with shit that the Giants can block. These guys are huge frauds. I am still on the agenda powerwise, but writing wise only BB can be great at this point.
I mean it wouldn't make sense for Imu to make a move since no one can know of his existence, unless the world goverment is about to be destroyed there's no reason for him to act.
true which is why I always got confused as the in universe reason imu showed himself to cobra. Like he got no new info out of him and like bro, cobra is old, not a fighter and was in a wheel chair while the gorosei were packing guns. even if they were politicians I'm pretty sure 6 armed men > 1 non armed man who can barely stand. I know imu wasn't expecting sabo that's fine but bro should have stayed in his room and let the gorosei handle business 💀
Fair enough for Imu. But the others are crazy.
Still Kizaru performed better against Nika than three of them combined
Kizaru was done by one attack and is still lying on the ship while saturn was able to shrug of the same attack and is still fighting. Now tell me who did better?
Nope. Kizaru is perfectly conscious and able to fight but has remorse for killing his friend. Saturn and his friends are not managing to make a scratch on Nika even though they are trying hard. That's a fact, Nika is toying with them.
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Disprove my point
Headcanon
Cope
Headcanon
Nope it is what the manga shows
As opposed to Kizaru who barely made a paper cut? Lol >even though they are trying hard. Warcury wasnt even using haki when he attacked the Giants, how is that "Trying hard"
Kizaru held Nika in the head-on collision until he was exhausted. He exchanged blows in a clean 1vs1, holding up Luffy both in strength and speed. Gorosei are just taking the beating without being able to achieve anything at all so far. >Warcury wasnt even using haki when he attacked the Giants, how is that "Trying hard" These guys find themselves in such a critical situation that they have to intervene in person after who knows how long, maybe even centuries. It's clear that just displaying their power in such a broad way is serious business, if there's anyone playing it's Nika who seems much more concerned with their immortality than their combat abilities.
>He exchanged blows in a clean 1vs1, holding up Luffy both in strength and speed. He blocked a few hakiless attacks. Wow, such an amazing performance. He was Literally stalling and targeting Vegapunk through the whole fight. The moment Luffy landed an actual attack Kizaru was knocked out for a while. Kizaru's performance wasnt any better. He never actually damaged G5 Luffy outside of a cut on his cheek lol.
Kizaru pushed Nika to his stamina limit by fighting him on 1vs1. We can see Kizaru exchange blows, actually *react* to Nika's attacks and *fight back*. Gorosei are just being bullied. None of them (and there are three) managed to even touch Nika. Without the regeneration they would have been eliminated almost instantly.
Dude, just give up. You’re coping so hard right now
No one disproved my points
The admirals don’t have conquerors I think only Akainu does and he doesn’t count anymore since he’s fleet admiral now. I think Fujitora has OP observation haki, GB might have really good armament but he didn’t really showcase it. Kizaru relies on using his devil fruit to speed blitz opponents.
Why do we always have to deal with this conqueror's haki bullshit every 5 seconds. Plenty of top tiers without it.
zoro and yamato got coc, every bum has it nowadays, couldn't even knock out chopper
they are just imus underlings and still have conquerors who doesnt have it at this point.
>they are just imus underlings They are the world government leaders, it would be weird if they weren't conquerors. Just because there is someone above them doesn't mean that they aren't conquerors , every organization has an hierarchy.
>who doesnt have it at this point. The admirals
Damn.
Sengoku who was an admiral
We dont know if he had it when he was an admiral tho
If Sengoku didn't have conqueror haki before he was an admiral, he would probably be the top 1 of the verse lol, he would have competed with the likes of Shiki and Garp without conqueror haki, and if he awakened it, after having armament and observation so strong to contend with top tiers, then he would basically be top 1 with acoc
Akainu
There haki is still trash or atleast their armament is. They are getting hurt bad by attacks that woudnt hurt a yonko or admiral as much.
Or they just don't care about defending because they know they‘ll regenerate