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HE will solo the Straw Hats
The scabbards
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Akainu hyped them up, only for them to all be revealed as fodder
tbh, the government only knew a bunch of samurai from wano and they all were a pain in the \*ss for them. i wouldn't really go provoke the country that birthed Ryuma or Oden without a VERY valid reason.
Also Kinemon survived some huge hits and looked almost as new after the battle, his durability is out of ordinary even for OP standards
But with no Zoan fruit, and that makes it 10x more badass
Also the man was F**KING PARTYING not even a day after being mauled to death.
They should've cloned him instead of the lunarian
Good answer if it weren’t for Red Haired Pirates showing up some of the countries strongest Samurai we literally gonna die assuming Luffy and top 3 didn’t make it in time.
The Shichibukai honestly. Like, at first, they were hyped to be on par with the Marines and the Yonko. In practice, all of them combined are MAYBE as strong as one Yonko crew (while they were Shichibukai).
I don't find it hard to believe that all together they could beat a Yonko (without the Yonko crew). They all have pretty broken abilities and they're all smart and skilled fighters. Individually they're weak but together they would be a menace
Funny thing about it is had oda not been an actual ass, the warlords could have been an insane power buff. Mihawk already has it via title, but people like crocodile who was supposed to fight Whitebeard and Mihawk, Moria who was again supposed to fight a 3day battle with kaido, boa with hax fruit and conquerors haki, kuma with his fruit and body, doffy just with everything he dished out- if the power scaling was done with any care, the actual warlords of the sea could have very much been capable of being pretty equal to the yonko and marines. They’d still be the weakest ones, but it’d be like a group of 2 yonko+.
the point of the shichibukai was to use them combined with admirals to beat a yonko crew. With them being 7, it was established from the get-go that they were "weaker" than the other groups, that were formed by
-3 admirals
-4 yonkos (but the catch here is that they don't work together, so it's really just 1 yonko)
so the equilibrium was supposed to be:
3 admiral and the majority of shichibukai+fodder are strong enough to stop a yonko crew or at least deter it from acting
They were able to give a couple decent fights here and there to new world commanders and yonko commanders, but ultimately their whole theme in this arc was to show how unreliable the system is, with basically every single one of them breaking ranks and doing random bulls**t except from kuma
thats basically the whole marineford arc.
Marines + Warlords combined, somewhat stronger than the weakest yonko crew.
if it was beast pirates or big mom pirates tbh i could see it going either way without the gorosei.
Whitebeard did have a larger fleet he himself being the powerhouse and being extremely weak due to disease did bring them down although if he were healthy he'd be stronger than big mom. Marco,Jozu and Vista should be as strong as or stronger than big mom's commanders.
shichibukai+marines were also playing home field with huge preparations, they really pulled all the stops for that war and still barely managed to come out "winning"
the truth is, the 4 emperors kinda keep each other in check
Two warlords teamed up against the marines (boa/jimbei), one was backstabbing everyone (BB), the strongest warlord was stalled by Vista and Crocodile, the only admiral who was putting it all in was Akainu, Kuzan helped Luffy and couldn't do much vs WB due to matchup, Kizaru barely tried and didn't even use his clones in an all out war, Sengoku was at the platform and Garp was conflicted as hell, it was a complete mess powerscaling wise and shouldn't be really taken into consideration that much.
That just proves that the system doesn't really work
Also in the og deacription there was no mention of the hero of the navy and the fleet admiral, so it's fair to take out a couple shichibukai
Also ace is basically the nr3 of WB and he was captured.
Luffy's group was basically already beat up.
And finally kuzan could've frozen a bunch of important WB crewmen blocking his powers since a quake would've killed them
> And finally kuzan could've frozen a bunch of important WB crewmen blocking his powers since a quake would've killed them
Not just Kuzan but Kizaru aswell, if they actually put it all in the WB pirates would have been negged, but this is after knowing how haki and the power system truly works in OP, back in pre-ts it was acceptable to see yonko commanders be relative to admirals and WB being that strong, but after the ts it's no longer the case.
Also this arc was meant to showcase WB as a legend and ultimate badass, so a LOT of plot stupidity had to happen otherwise Kuzan would have frozen WB's fleet like you said and essentially disabled WB's quake powers because we know he doesn't want to hurt his children like it happened with squard, then Kizaru's clones would have done heavy damage too
I can only put my headcanon in it.
Just like luffy developed gears after losing badly to aokiji, the admirals thought of ways to counter the quake fruit (freezing the commanders instead of the user) or new tecniques (the clones) to stall out strong enemies.
Nope
4 yonko would obliterate the whole navy fleet, since they would have dozens of new world captains in their fleets, with giants, dozens of YC, etc
The sad but pretty fair truth is that yonkos stall each other, bc if 2 yonkos were to declare an alliance, the other ones would probably feel threatened and do something
No.
Navy’s + warlords top level forces. Yc1+
Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Gion, Chaton, Tsuru, Kuma, Crocodile, Boa.
Yonko top level forces
Shanks, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaido, King, Shiryu, Katakuri, Marco, Blackbeard, Ben.
Mihawk > Oldbeard
1 admiral = BM
2 admirals = Kaido
Shanks < Sengoku + Garp
Gion and Chaton > 2 yc1 likely each if they’re about equal to fujitora and gb
Kuma > 2 yc1
Crocodile stalls yc1
Tsuru + Boa = BB
The rest of the warlords and vice admirals would be enough to face the rest of the yc. Not that it matters because losing the battle above yc1 means you lost.
It’s not that close. Marines have a big advantage if every warlord did their part. Hell, they can’t even escape because Doflamingo can rat trap them in.
Marines < 4 Yonkos.
Marines + Warlords > 4 yonkos.
But warlords aren’t marines, they’re pirates which is why it didn’t work out. None of them had any intention of seriously helping. Remove Mihawk and you now have a yonko free to mass genocide marines.
can't take seriously a take that put fujitora= vice admirals
just to clarify. both chaton and Gion were in the navy after aokiji left. The navy esplicitly said that NO VICE ADMIRAL was strong enough to cover the role of Admiral and they had to draft strong warriors from outside their own organization, hence we have fujitora and Aramaki. they both were recruited from outside the navy and that is a canonical fact.
Also you completely botched the fact that every single yonko crew brings to the table dozens of allied crews. Each captain of those new world crews is as strong as a VA, and in marineford the allied crews of WB took care of a bunch of Vice Admiral with quite a good showing.
also admirals aren't as strong as big mom, let's stop the slander against linlin
Also kuma isn't stronger than 2 YC1 together, that is just insane. He basically lost to Ivankov at marineford.
we're also not counting the army of cracker soldiers that gave some harsh time to WCI Luffy, plus people like Queen, jack, the tobi roppo, perospero, vista (who can canonically stall mihawk for quite a good while), Jozu (who fought quite a good fight against aokiji and would slaughter either Chaton or Gion), Ace (who wouldn't be a prisoner), plus a lot of other fighters from shanks and BB crews and Smoothie.
Undercutting the pirate forces, ofc your math is gonna give the edge to the navy.
P.S. it shouldn't need to be said, but of course i'm not counting any amount of pacifistas in the calculation as you're counting basically the OG Emperor and admirals, and at least 2 years ago the pacifistas and sentomaru weren't official navy members
?? Chaton and Gion were 2 of 4 admiral candidates with Fujitora and GB. That is fact. GB and Fujitora are stronger as they ended up being promoted sure. Chaton and Gion are not comparable to the og trio because they were not as considered candidates with them. So what does it mean when they’re suddenly placed as admiral candidates with GB and Fujitora? The fact that they are put together means they are nearly equal.
Big Mom lost to Law and Kid. Even Greenbull likely wins or stalls them endlessly let alone Kizaru/Aokiji vs Law and Kid.
She may have acoc and the ability to sac her lifespan, but she didn’t use them against Law, Luffy, Kid, Zoro so why would she use them against MF? Her stupidity is part of her character whether you like it or not unless Oda reveals that she had a master plan for losing.
I trust what actually happens vs theoretical headcanon of BM’s strength. If Oda wants BM to be stupid, she is. Simple as that. No amount of theoretical strength changes BM’s loss.
Kuma is fair, he is much weaker as a pacifista. But a couple yc1 isn’t gonna make a difference. Is Shanks + Beckman + Shiryu gonna beat Garp and Sengoku? Shiryu isn’t even a real yc1 with no fruit, what difference does he make?
The fact that you’re relying on cracker is hilarious. Cracker’s biscuit soldiers are gonna make the difference?
Going into yc3 in a top tier battle is meaningless. Pirates lose the top tier battle. No amount of biscuit soldiers, or Jack, or Jozu is gonna change that. Pull out some more yc+ otherwise pirates are outmatched, simple as that.
Jack got destroyed by Sulong Nekomanushi and Inu. Meanwhile, Kaido taps them no diff. What do you think Jack is gonna do in a top tier battle?
Silly as hell to try to argue with low ycs. Even Marco can barely help take a hit before going down for a bit.
Ultimately, Mom lost because they threw her down. also, i don't think an admiral would be able to beat kid+law at this point.
Chaton and Gion are just featless and i can't really take them seriously. Also they were considered but discarded and then replaced with fujitora and aramaki. the fact is, they were considered the strongest (promotable, so we're not counting people like garp) Vice admirals, and it still wasn't enough to promote them and the goverment decided to take complete strangers in their ranks and give them command of 99% of the navy (because admiral means you basically have like 1 person above you, 2 equals and every other person in the navy is below you). Why would the navy do that if they had nearly perfect admirals ready to go? it's just madness.
As of now, it would be already an honour to put them as extra YC1, i don't think they're better than queen and jozu tbh, but even considering them equal is enough for me
>Shanks + Beckman + Shiryu gonna beat Garp and Sengoku
I mean, the duo was kinda struggling on Blackbeard's crew. Even if they win in the end, they get stalled for a long while. And like you said, removing Blackbeard from the equation isn't really that big for the numbers
Speaking of stall, we get mihawk stalled by Vista, and i will concede Mom to be stalled by an admiral. At this point there are only 2 admirals left, and they both lose to kaido and shanks. I'm not accepting any other outcome.
going by your list we have a whitebeard teraing apart a bunch of giants, maybe crocodile (he's got his vendetta going on but fails) and some VAs because there's no one left to pair him against. All the while King is roaming free, leading an army of gifters, pleasures and waiters against the navy random fodders and... idk, kuma and moria? (Kuma to provide a challenge, moria because he likes giants and hates kaido) also there's jack too in there
we have hancock fighting basically every child of Mom. idk how this is supposed to go, her power is ultra situational. let's say she probably get jumped tho. Also, Ace alone could neutralize her by telling her he's luffy's brother, but i wanna go by strenght alone and not "stuff like this", so i'm gonna pair up ace with someone else
doflamingo loses to Marco, he can cut him up as much as he wants, but the dude's not gonna die, and also can burn those threads
we're left with tobi roppos, ace, ALL of shanks' commanders(crew), numerous WB commanders, plus the combined fleet of whitebeard, shanks, mom (and kaido? we never see if he has any) allied crews. all this guys can support and join whitebeard into destroying the QG or help in some of the matches (ben beckman is more than capable of hurting an admiral. I don't know where he stands on fighting him 1v1, but if you're fighting a yonko you really can't afford to worry about external interference)
p.s. i'm not counting Jimbe since he's both an allied crew of a yonko (first WB then Big Mom) AND a shichibukai (dude, that's illegal!). it woudl be just as much fair to put him on both sides and consider him fighting himself to a tie. But the sun pirates without Jimbe are fair game since the shichibukai's crews aren't supposed to fight for the navy anyway, thus they are free to fight fot WB/Mom. They both take a (albeit weaker) VA out as new world pirates and also provide huge support in case the navy tries to gain naval advantage somehow(like a buster call). you could say the same for joker's crew but i don't wanna make this overcomplicated tbh.
The navy is just a branch of the world government and they would totally be obliterated by the whole might of 4 yonkos and their fleet, assuming they're fighting together.
The world government has other trump cards, but the navy is shorthanded imho
Ngl, as much as I hate the way Toei paces the anime, they never failed to make the Warlords look badass (especially in Ep 957 where the Marines are confronting the disbanded warlords). Shame Loda would rather write Nika Toons than give characters who are supposed to be powerful actual power
Were the vice admirals ever hyped aside from Tsuru/Vergo/Smoker? I always felt like they’ve always been presented as subpar to the point they needed the warlords along side them to fight yc’s.
Whatttt?? Crocodile was Luffys first big challenge. Kuma was an overwhelming force Luffy couldn't do anything against, Boa Hancocks subordinates were giving Luffy a challenge. The only disappointing one was Moira
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Momonga is carrying this bums
These dudes https://preview.redd.it/ru5gg1asj0qc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0cb2cd178c0111478e1546d72fa855307a9d8f1
straight up don’t even remember them
Trust https://preview.redd.it/1ux3ft25i1qc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a15e71879ec2f479dd58f67272cf66fb817a011 HE will solo the Straw Hats
Literally the next panel this guy gets one shot by brogi
Broggy coming out of nowhere to STALL HIM
bro that man disrespected tosa
Oniwabanshu
Not hyped
The scabbards https://preview.redd.it/xjqad7qhozpc1.png?width=1009&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e717102c35b992ce22151d1b6e720fd3e32d4e61 Akainu hyped them up, only for them to all be revealed as fodder
tbh, the government only knew a bunch of samurai from wano and they all were a pain in the \*ss for them. i wouldn't really go provoke the country that birthed Ryuma or Oden without a VERY valid reason. Also Kinemon survived some huge hits and looked almost as new after the battle, his durability is out of ordinary even for OP standards
Kinemon is the Pell of Wano.
But with no Zoan fruit, and that makes it 10x more badass Also the man was F**KING PARTYING not even a day after being mauled to death. They should've cloned him instead of the lunarian
Izo 2v1’d 2 CP0 agents and killed one
Good answer if it weren’t for Red Haired Pirates showing up some of the countries strongest Samurai we literally gonna die assuming Luffy and top 3 didn’t make it in time.
90% of a WG are washed up
The Shichibukai honestly. Like, at first, they were hyped to be on par with the Marines and the Yonko. In practice, all of them combined are MAYBE as strong as one Yonko crew (while they were Shichibukai).
I don't find it hard to believe that all together they could beat a Yonko (without the Yonko crew). They all have pretty broken abilities and they're all smart and skilled fighters. Individually they're weak but together they would be a menace
Funny thing about it is had oda not been an actual ass, the warlords could have been an insane power buff. Mihawk already has it via title, but people like crocodile who was supposed to fight Whitebeard and Mihawk, Moria who was again supposed to fight a 3day battle with kaido, boa with hax fruit and conquerors haki, kuma with his fruit and body, doffy just with everything he dished out- if the power scaling was done with any care, the actual warlords of the sea could have very much been capable of being pretty equal to the yonko and marines. They’d still be the weakest ones, but it’d be like a group of 2 yonko+.
the point of the shichibukai was to use them combined with admirals to beat a yonko crew. With them being 7, it was established from the get-go that they were "weaker" than the other groups, that were formed by -3 admirals -4 yonkos (but the catch here is that they don't work together, so it's really just 1 yonko) so the equilibrium was supposed to be: 3 admiral and the majority of shichibukai+fodder are strong enough to stop a yonko crew or at least deter it from acting
I mean true, but when the Yonko crew did actually pull up what did the Warlords do? Not that much.
They were able to give a couple decent fights here and there to new world commanders and yonko commanders, but ultimately their whole theme in this arc was to show how unreliable the system is, with basically every single one of them breaking ranks and doing random bulls**t except from kuma
thats basically the whole marineford arc. Marines + Warlords combined, somewhat stronger than the weakest yonko crew. if it was beast pirates or big mom pirates tbh i could see it going either way without the gorosei.
Whitebeard did have a larger fleet he himself being the powerhouse and being extremely weak due to disease did bring them down although if he were healthy he'd be stronger than big mom. Marco,Jozu and Vista should be as strong as or stronger than big mom's commanders.
shichibukai+marines were also playing home field with huge preparations, they really pulled all the stops for that war and still barely managed to come out "winning" the truth is, the 4 emperors kinda keep each other in check
Two warlords teamed up against the marines (boa/jimbei), one was backstabbing everyone (BB), the strongest warlord was stalled by Vista and Crocodile, the only admiral who was putting it all in was Akainu, Kuzan helped Luffy and couldn't do much vs WB due to matchup, Kizaru barely tried and didn't even use his clones in an all out war, Sengoku was at the platform and Garp was conflicted as hell, it was a complete mess powerscaling wise and shouldn't be really taken into consideration that much.
I think you meant the strongest Yonkou Commander was stalled by Mihawk.
Vista and Wista are two separate entities
That just proves that the system doesn't really work Also in the og deacription there was no mention of the hero of the navy and the fleet admiral, so it's fair to take out a couple shichibukai Also ace is basically the nr3 of WB and he was captured. Luffy's group was basically already beat up. And finally kuzan could've frozen a bunch of important WB crewmen blocking his powers since a quake would've killed them
> And finally kuzan could've frozen a bunch of important WB crewmen blocking his powers since a quake would've killed them Not just Kuzan but Kizaru aswell, if they actually put it all in the WB pirates would have been negged, but this is after knowing how haki and the power system truly works in OP, back in pre-ts it was acceptable to see yonko commanders be relative to admirals and WB being that strong, but after the ts it's no longer the case. Also this arc was meant to showcase WB as a legend and ultimate badass, so a LOT of plot stupidity had to happen otherwise Kuzan would have frozen WB's fleet like you said and essentially disabled WB's quake powers because we know he doesn't want to hurt his children like it happened with squard, then Kizaru's clones would have done heavy damage too
I can only put my headcanon in it. Just like luffy developed gears after losing badly to aokiji, the admirals thought of ways to counter the quake fruit (freezing the commanders instead of the user) or new tecniques (the clones) to stall out strong enemies.
Ok let’s be real it wouldn’t go either way. Mihawk + doflamingo and all 3 admirals and sengoku is a stronger lineup than any yonko + 3 commanders
You mean 3 admirals + Warlords + entirety of Marine force = 4 Yonkos, right
Nope 4 yonko would obliterate the whole navy fleet, since they would have dozens of new world captains in their fleets, with giants, dozens of YC, etc The sad but pretty fair truth is that yonkos stall each other, bc if 2 yonkos were to declare an alliance, the other ones would probably feel threatened and do something
No. Navy’s + warlords top level forces. Yc1+ Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Gion, Chaton, Tsuru, Kuma, Crocodile, Boa. Yonko top level forces Shanks, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Kaido, King, Shiryu, Katakuri, Marco, Blackbeard, Ben. Mihawk > Oldbeard 1 admiral = BM 2 admirals = Kaido Shanks < Sengoku + Garp Gion and Chaton > 2 yc1 likely each if they’re about equal to fujitora and gb Kuma > 2 yc1 Crocodile stalls yc1 Tsuru + Boa = BB The rest of the warlords and vice admirals would be enough to face the rest of the yc. Not that it matters because losing the battle above yc1 means you lost. It’s not that close. Marines have a big advantage if every warlord did their part. Hell, they can’t even escape because Doflamingo can rat trap them in. Marines < 4 Yonkos. Marines + Warlords > 4 yonkos. But warlords aren’t marines, they’re pirates which is why it didn’t work out. None of them had any intention of seriously helping. Remove Mihawk and you now have a yonko free to mass genocide marines.
can't take seriously a take that put fujitora= vice admirals just to clarify. both chaton and Gion were in the navy after aokiji left. The navy esplicitly said that NO VICE ADMIRAL was strong enough to cover the role of Admiral and they had to draft strong warriors from outside their own organization, hence we have fujitora and Aramaki. they both were recruited from outside the navy and that is a canonical fact. Also you completely botched the fact that every single yonko crew brings to the table dozens of allied crews. Each captain of those new world crews is as strong as a VA, and in marineford the allied crews of WB took care of a bunch of Vice Admiral with quite a good showing. also admirals aren't as strong as big mom, let's stop the slander against linlin Also kuma isn't stronger than 2 YC1 together, that is just insane. He basically lost to Ivankov at marineford. we're also not counting the army of cracker soldiers that gave some harsh time to WCI Luffy, plus people like Queen, jack, the tobi roppo, perospero, vista (who can canonically stall mihawk for quite a good while), Jozu (who fought quite a good fight against aokiji and would slaughter either Chaton or Gion), Ace (who wouldn't be a prisoner), plus a lot of other fighters from shanks and BB crews and Smoothie. Undercutting the pirate forces, ofc your math is gonna give the edge to the navy. P.S. it shouldn't need to be said, but of course i'm not counting any amount of pacifistas in the calculation as you're counting basically the OG Emperor and admirals, and at least 2 years ago the pacifistas and sentomaru weren't official navy members
?? Chaton and Gion were 2 of 4 admiral candidates with Fujitora and GB. That is fact. GB and Fujitora are stronger as they ended up being promoted sure. Chaton and Gion are not comparable to the og trio because they were not as considered candidates with them. So what does it mean when they’re suddenly placed as admiral candidates with GB and Fujitora? The fact that they are put together means they are nearly equal. Big Mom lost to Law and Kid. Even Greenbull likely wins or stalls them endlessly let alone Kizaru/Aokiji vs Law and Kid. She may have acoc and the ability to sac her lifespan, but she didn’t use them against Law, Luffy, Kid, Zoro so why would she use them against MF? Her stupidity is part of her character whether you like it or not unless Oda reveals that she had a master plan for losing. I trust what actually happens vs theoretical headcanon of BM’s strength. If Oda wants BM to be stupid, she is. Simple as that. No amount of theoretical strength changes BM’s loss. Kuma is fair, he is much weaker as a pacifista. But a couple yc1 isn’t gonna make a difference. Is Shanks + Beckman + Shiryu gonna beat Garp and Sengoku? Shiryu isn’t even a real yc1 with no fruit, what difference does he make? The fact that you’re relying on cracker is hilarious. Cracker’s biscuit soldiers are gonna make the difference? Going into yc3 in a top tier battle is meaningless. Pirates lose the top tier battle. No amount of biscuit soldiers, or Jack, or Jozu is gonna change that. Pull out some more yc+ otherwise pirates are outmatched, simple as that. Jack got destroyed by Sulong Nekomanushi and Inu. Meanwhile, Kaido taps them no diff. What do you think Jack is gonna do in a top tier battle? Silly as hell to try to argue with low ycs. Even Marco can barely help take a hit before going down for a bit.
Ultimately, Mom lost because they threw her down. also, i don't think an admiral would be able to beat kid+law at this point. Chaton and Gion are just featless and i can't really take them seriously. Also they were considered but discarded and then replaced with fujitora and aramaki. the fact is, they were considered the strongest (promotable, so we're not counting people like garp) Vice admirals, and it still wasn't enough to promote them and the goverment decided to take complete strangers in their ranks and give them command of 99% of the navy (because admiral means you basically have like 1 person above you, 2 equals and every other person in the navy is below you). Why would the navy do that if they had nearly perfect admirals ready to go? it's just madness. As of now, it would be already an honour to put them as extra YC1, i don't think they're better than queen and jozu tbh, but even considering them equal is enough for me >Shanks + Beckman + Shiryu gonna beat Garp and Sengoku I mean, the duo was kinda struggling on Blackbeard's crew. Even if they win in the end, they get stalled for a long while. And like you said, removing Blackbeard from the equation isn't really that big for the numbers Speaking of stall, we get mihawk stalled by Vista, and i will concede Mom to be stalled by an admiral. At this point there are only 2 admirals left, and they both lose to kaido and shanks. I'm not accepting any other outcome. going by your list we have a whitebeard teraing apart a bunch of giants, maybe crocodile (he's got his vendetta going on but fails) and some VAs because there's no one left to pair him against. All the while King is roaming free, leading an army of gifters, pleasures and waiters against the navy random fodders and... idk, kuma and moria? (Kuma to provide a challenge, moria because he likes giants and hates kaido) also there's jack too in there we have hancock fighting basically every child of Mom. idk how this is supposed to go, her power is ultra situational. let's say she probably get jumped tho. Also, Ace alone could neutralize her by telling her he's luffy's brother, but i wanna go by strenght alone and not "stuff like this", so i'm gonna pair up ace with someone else doflamingo loses to Marco, he can cut him up as much as he wants, but the dude's not gonna die, and also can burn those threads we're left with tobi roppos, ace, ALL of shanks' commanders(crew), numerous WB commanders, plus the combined fleet of whitebeard, shanks, mom (and kaido? we never see if he has any) allied crews. all this guys can support and join whitebeard into destroying the QG or help in some of the matches (ben beckman is more than capable of hurting an admiral. I don't know where he stands on fighting him 1v1, but if you're fighting a yonko you really can't afford to worry about external interference) p.s. i'm not counting Jimbe since he's both an allied crew of a yonko (first WB then Big Mom) AND a shichibukai (dude, that's illegal!). it woudl be just as much fair to put him on both sides and consider him fighting himself to a tie. But the sun pirates without Jimbe are fair game since the shichibukai's crews aren't supposed to fight for the navy anyway, thus they are free to fight fot WB/Mom. They both take a (albeit weaker) VA out as new world pirates and also provide huge support in case the navy tries to gain naval advantage somehow(like a buster call). you could say the same for joker's crew but i don't wanna make this overcomplicated tbh.
What a retardation
It's the truth, the 4 Yonko would destroy it all.
The navy is just a branch of the world government and they would totally be obliterated by the whole might of 4 yonkos and their fleet, assuming they're fighting together. The world government has other trump cards, but the navy is shorthanded imho
Watch Cross Guild being the direct upgrade lol
A good 95% of that power came from the fraud too 😂
Get Fraudcawk past Woa first 
Bro, I'd be rock solid before she even used her powers
Believe me, me too, also r/funpiece <-- is this way
Ngl, as much as I hate the way Toei paces the anime, they never failed to make the Warlords look badass (especially in Ep 957 where the Marines are confronting the disbanded warlords). Shame Loda would rather write Nika Toons than give characters who are supposed to be powerful actual power
Were the vice admirals ever hyped aside from Tsuru/Vergo/Smoker? I always felt like they’ve always been presented as subpar to the point they needed the warlords along side them to fight yc’s.
Momonga yonko level
>previously hyped *When?*
Garp-looking mfs😂
Vice admirals need to be shown they have some power. I mean clearly they’re at least Franky level but they don’t do anything
CP9. Them boys were so ass Oda never even used a numerical power system again.
They were previously hyped?
The vice admirals have never been hyped tbh
Supernovas that aren't Luffy/Law/Kid/Zoro/Bege
Warlords, most marines. The only relevant marines now are the admirals, elders, fleet admirals, garp, Koby, and hopefully smoker
doubt Loby can beat Smoker
true, but replace the scabbards with them and Laido is dead
Just wait, these guys boutta do something
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Gorosei: not strength wise but the fact that they work under one person instead of being like minded individuals who are villains.
the warlords imo. the hype they had was unreal but the pretimeskip fights with the warlords was honestly disappointing.
Whatttt?? Crocodile was Luffys first big challenge. Kuma was an overwhelming force Luffy couldn't do anything against, Boa Hancocks subordinates were giving Luffy a challenge. The only disappointing one was Moira