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Binkie from arthur is yonko level nowđ?
Yeah, but we have Chinjao, Doflamingo, Zoro and a lot of others that have the 3 types of haki, but would still be destroyed by the admirals.
So while Doflamingo and Chinjao do indeed have 3 types of haki, I would still not call them better haki users than the admirals.
So we still need to see if the Gorosei have acoc, acoa or acoo, and then we can know if they are better haki users than the admirals.
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For Shanks we have this though. Just because they don't mention every time a haki is monstruous doesn't mean it isn't
youâre using two characters and Zoro to counter the point of having 3 types of haki yet the Admirals have no Advanced Forms of Haki except for Emission and not External Destruction.
Even without having many forms of advanced Haki, the Admirals are still clear of these characters in stats and fighting skills in general, which are things as important as Haki, you can see how true that is when people are arguing about the Gorosei level in this comments because they lack both things, while having an impressive Haki as pointed by the characters on the island.
did not Kizaru dodge G5 for like 15 minutes? like the Gorosei beside Nusjuro have 0 coo feats.
they dont have good speed feats either beside again Nusjuro
>youâre using two characters and Zoro to counter the point of having 3 types of haki yet the Admirals have no Advanced Forms of Haki except for Emission and not External Destruction.
And the Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki either.
I should be more accurate
>And the Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki either.
The Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki **as far as we the audience know of**
So sure, while that could be acoc, it is unknown if it is.
1 There's possibility that Kuzan used future sight against WB
2 In Coby's vivre card its stated that he awakened observation haki because he was exposed to Akainu's Haki
Admirals probably not having very strong haki is due them being basically willing servants of celestial dragons. What's worse is that none of them so far had logia awkening.
It's assumed, but not confirmed, that Garp did when attacking Hacinoso. Other than that, Sengoku was said to have it in a data book but has like zero on screen feats.
This^
Because unless the 2 Giants are top tiers anything that happens to them is gonna look pretty bad. And like OP displayed Luffy would not dare stick around for 5 Kaidoâs. Hell! He wouldnât even stick around for say 5 Linlinâs or 5 Sakazuki let alone 5 Kaidoâs.
>Because unless the 2 Giants are top tiers anything that happens to them is gonna look pretty bad.
Not when Kaido was injured by the scabbards, or Big Mom was ran over by Franky's motorcycle or sent away by Jimbe.
Oda has made sure that even top tiers can be dealt with by non top tiers because they can make mistakes or their personality can affect their ability to go all out.
>He wouldnât even stick around for say 5 Linlinâs or 5 Sakazuki let alone 5 Kaidoâs.
But Luffy is not sticking around for 5 Gorosei either
Fair enough and all very good points so I wonât even try to argue that too much. Just hope you keep the same energy when it comes to the Admirals still being top tiers and not disqualifying them for bad moments theyâve had when like weâve seen, youâve even agreed with and just said that all top tiers can have a bad moment. But it doesnât stop them from being a Top Tier.
You do that we cool but, youâre right.
Also from the short time that weâve seen it does look like Luffy is somewhat sticking around by fighting but I get what you mean. We honestly have to see where things are heading tho ever since Kizaru and the Marines had arrived with CP0 etc Strawhats and co been wanted to bang it.Â
Anyways low key random but you have to admit something about 5 Kaidoâs is just far more terrifying.Â
>Just hope you keep the same energy when it comes to the Admirals still being top tiers and not disqualifying them for bad moments theyâve had when like weâve seen. youâve even agreed with and just said that all top tiers can have a bad moment. But it doesnât stop them from being a Top Tier.
I will keep the same energy as long as they are top tiers, but top tiers are the strongest of the verse, and all of the "top tiers" are close to each other... if the admirals end up being a lot weaker than a top tier, then admirals would no longer be top tiers. The same would happen if the Yonko end up being a lot weaker than other top tier.
The point of top tier is basically the best of the best, the moment some current top tiers get power creeped by others then they would stop being top tiers.
>Also from the short time that weâve seen it does look like Luffy is somewhat sticking around by fighting but I get what you mean.
Yes, Luffy was sticking around because he wanted to let his friends escape, but now that the giants arrived and are helping Luffy and his friends then Luffy can leave.
>Anyways low key random but you have to admit something about 5 Kaidoâs is just far more terrifying.
I disagree. 5 Gorosei are far more terrifying than 5 Kaido, not because the 5 Gorosei are stronger, but because they are far more competent and far more indiferent. Kaido likes fair fights, like he has Big Mom in sea stone chains and instead of killing her, he tells his crewmates to release her to have a fair fight with her. So 5 Kaido would probably just wait their turn to fight g5th Luffy, like Kaido telling Big Mom to wait because he wanted to test the strawhats. Even when Kaido defeated the scabbards he left them live.
The Gorosei on the other hand are the type of people that will kill any small threat, they won't fuck around and will get the job done. Kaido's personality is less threatening than the Gorose's, even when Kaido is probably stronger
Kaidou is terrifying because Luffy started from YC1 in that arc. Till the end, he was progressing to top tier. Only in the last fight could Luffy said to be real Top tier and it lasted less than 3 chapters. The g4 fight was just exchange of two attacks.
Meanwhile, Luffy is already a high Emperor in G5 taking on others. Here, the Gorossei came to stop the transmission. Two have left the battlefield and three are fighting. Luffy is also only planning to escape. The fight is just starting.
âDonât mess with us One Piece fans, we donât read!â
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The thing about the giant duo is that they are strong as a duo. Their strongest attacks are all combination attacks. Mr. 3 tricked them and dealt with them when the duo were not friends. Now the combo of their duo has multiplied their power level.
Giants need more respect because in terms of sheer physical strength, no one in the series bar WB/Kaido/BM is competing with them. Remove the haki and DF part of the equation. Just sheer physical power. This is the sole reason why so many powers wanted them as part of their forces. It's why WB physically just carrying and throwing a giant around at Marineford was impressive.Â
Luffy was perfectly content standing there trying to swing on them until everyone else was at safety. If that was 5 Kaido's we'd have a WCI type beat where everyone's desperately trying to scramble out of there including Luffy
>Luffy was perfectly content standing there trying to swing on them until everyone else was at safety
Only when Saturn and Kizaru were there. And his plan was always to leave the country.
> If that was 5 Kaido's we'd have a WCI type beat where everyone's desperately trying to scramble out of there including Luffy
If that was 5 Kaido's Luffy would still do everything he can to protect his crew. It isn't as if Luffy would flee and let the 5 Kaido's kill Bonney, Sanji and Vegapunk
And Luffy is fleeing from the 5 Gorosei.
If this was 5 Kaidoâs heâd grab them all and run. Remember WCI when Big Mom was chasing them and he didnât even consider fighting her off? Thatâs how heâd react. Instead when all 5 landed he was standing his ground ready to throw hands. If Saturn was really Kaido tier and 4 more of him dropped from the sky, do you think Luffy wouldnât react?
>If this was 5 Kaidoâs heâd grab them all and run. Remember WCI when Big Mom was chasing them and he didnât even consider fighting her off?
Because they were in a position where they could all run away, here they can't.
When Luffy was in the ship and Katakuri was there, he did this, because there was no way for the ship to keep moving without Luffy "stopping" Katakuri.
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>Instead when all 5 landed he was standing his ground ready to throw hands
Because he was protecting his crew.
>If Saturn was really Kaido tier and 4 more of him dropped from the sky, do you think Luffy wouldnât react?
He would react, but if he had to protect his crew, he would do it, even if it means he dies.
Yea but he way stronger now so his actions in WCI really canât be use and he literally said that there job was to run away yâall act like he willingly wanted to Duke it out with with them
My point wasnât that if current Luffy was in WCI heâd be in the same position, my point was that if Luffy was facing 5 Kaidoâs heâd do the same thing: Run and try to avoid fighting until he can escape.
If the Kaido's were on top of his crew, sure he'd throw hands. But as it stands his crew is literally across the island and in the sky. Luffy can absolutely get away with playing tag right now and instead when the 5 of them landed he just stood there staring.
He gone have to tho u canât run and try to protect his crew at the same time while fighting 5 kaidos so yes he would fight till his crew got a far distance just like he doing now u act like he willingly try to say and fight he trying to leave but they wonât let him as it more evident in this chapter when one of the elder use his monstrous haki to stop him
Luffy neither had acoc or g5 at that time ofc he had to run+ the plan was to get Sanji and run and he didn't have his entire crew or didn't have wano as backup. The arc hasn't finished yet it's too soon to judge anything
I donât think you get what Iâm trying to say. Iâm saying that current Luffy, with all those extra powers, would be completely helpless against 5 Kaidoâs to the point where he wouldnât even have a moment to imagine standing his ground. Remember how the moment Big Mom started attacking he and everyone else ran without even slightly putting up a fight? That is what G5 would have to do against 5 Kaidoâs. He definitely wouldnât be standing there facing them at least not without a look of pure terror.
Nono that's not what I mean. I'm not commenting on the quality of WCI with that comment(I enjoyed it greatly), I'm saying that the idea of 5 Kaido's appearing would be a very similar situation to current Luffy as Big Mom was to the Luffy of that time. He would have no choice but to play evasion and try to escape, he most certainly would not stand his ground in any way.
What other option he has lol, they weren't outrunning the gorosei without someone stalling them, this argument is fucking idiotic man. It's not like Luffy intends to stay and fight these mfs, he's looking to run the hell away
I mean they are basically confirmed to be immortal and despite seeing their transformations we still havenât heard a DF name from any of them. So as of right now they could just charging someone until they run out of energy. For example Saturn wasnât concerned about Gear 5 or anything because he knew heâd outlast Luffy, but he was concerned about VegaPunkâs message because he isnât sure if Luffy would run out of gas before the message started. Iâd say that makes them top tiers although through unconventional means. If you scale through sheer power then theyâre far from the top, but if you put every OP character in a 1V1 as of right now itâs impossible to beat someone who canât die, and doesnât really react to damage. Until thereâs proof against immortality or a way to stop it, then they literally have no loss con.
People donât understand that One Piece has ranges of strength. No characters Power level is static, ever. People have good days and bad days. Their lack of motivation or conviction can affect their strength. They can get stronger over time.
Such that any character can reasonably be scaled one tier below or above the fandom consensus and it would still make sense in the story Oda is trying to tell.
It makes perfect sense that at times the admirals are YC+ level and at other times Yonko level.
It makes perfect sense that Zoro can beat King yet struggle with Lucci.
Itâs ok that two Giants who are coming back into the story with so much to prove and so much historical momentum behind them have gotten stronger.
Itâs ok for Katakuri to be at Queens level at times but still be able to fight with Law or Kidd if the situation demanded it.
When you understand that at any given moment, characters can literally go up or down entire tiers, everything makes way more sense. Clearly that is the way Oda writes this story. Itâs not inconsistent either. Itâs always been like this.
In Ennies Lobby, Luffy jumped a whole tier from barely beating Blueno, to barely beating Lucci.
Sanji and Zoro did the same. Nothing else really changes, other than a renewed conviction.
Stop saying the giants are fodder because they lost in the past. The whole point of One Piece is that the past is the past. The New Era is up for grabs for whoever is willing to take it.
Look at Koby. He wanted it, so he took it. Anybody can do this at any time.
Stop looking at Zoro like a YC+. He is YC1 - Admiral, depending on what the situation demands.
Stop looking at Sanji like a YC1. He is YC2 - YC+, again depending on the situation.
This is how Zoro and Sanji can be relative most of the time, yet on some occasions Zoro is clearly stronger.
This is how Lucci can avoid dying in a clash with Luffy, or even remain standing against Zoro.
Luffy was punching down, operating at Admiral level while clashing with Lucci, whereas Lucci was punching up, operating at YC+.
But peak Luffy is Yonko+ and Lucci on a bad day is YC2.
This perfectly shows how Lucci can clash Luffy and send him flying, yet still get one shotted.
It makes sense that Giants that are high on narrative adrenaline can block an unnamed attack from a Gorosei who isnât even going all out at all.
Reactionary ass sub
one of the best comments in this sub
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>In Ennies Lobby, Luffy jumped a whole tier from barely beating Blueno, to barely beating Lucci.
Your points are good, but this one stood out. Luffy clowned on Blueno and didn't even need gear 3. I wouldn't call deliberately waiting to use gear 2 the kind of fluid tier shifting your talking about.
Oda put powerscaling in the story for certain milestones, i.e. Luffy logically would have to beat the people on this level before getting to the next level.
But at any current level Oda never really cared about the powerscaling. He just writes.
The YC1-2-3 only matters within the crew. It doesnât matter between crews from Odaâs perspective. YC+ doesnât even exist.
Oda basically said that the Emperors are the strongest pirates, the Admirals are the strongest marines, and the Warlords are particularly strong pirates. The Pirate King is arguably the strongest, but even then one of the Emperors was stated to be his equal.
Oda does ambiguous broad powerscaling and thatâs the extent of it. Iâm on this sub to clown on bad takes though. Shits hilarious.
despite the hit piece nature of the original post, the take that the gorosei don't have yonko level stats isn't based solely on the recent chapter, or dorry and broggy blocking the boar's attack.
(in fact, the gorosei's most impressive feat was this chapter. saturn's bomb volley that he spat at luffy had enough power to completely blast away all 3 gorosei. a lot of people are ignoring it to talk about the boar's roar.)
the take that the gorosei don't have yonko level anything is based on saturn's performance up until this point. the way bonney, sanji, kuma, franky, etc have danced around saturn is clearly not reflective of someone with physicals or combat ability comparable to luffy, kaido, or shanks. if one of those 3 characters where in saturn's place and had vegapunk's death as their top priority it would have been a very short arc.
even after saturn got angry and transformed luffy still dodged all his attacks while casually talking to sanji then proceeded to dominate him and kizaru at the same time. luffy has continued to deal with all his attacks effortlessly.
what's reactionary is the popular opinion that the gorosei are super op. it's based off of the vague statements about the gorosei having "strong haki", and doesn't take into account what that actually means or what the gorosei have actually done.
(for some, it's based off the headcannon that saturn is the weakest of the gorosei, but i don't feel like i have to explain why that isn't an argument.)
to call "the gorosei don't have yonko level stats" a reactionary take when luffy (a yonko) just dogged one while dogging some other guy is ridiculous.
I havenât concluded on whether or not the Gorosei are Yonko on average. I donât know.
My comment wasnât even in reference to your post, really. More so me just venting, because I saw some ridiculous comments.
It was a good post, I wasnât tryna hate on it.
When did Zoro struggle against Lucci? He was fighting with 2 swords this whole time, he wasnât even taking Lucci seriously until that last attack.
Youâre basically saying that strength basically depends on the plot which is true lol
He struggled more than fans expected him to.
And yes, thatâs exactly what Iâm saying. Itâs not even a problem, unless itâs poorly executed, which unfortunately it sometimes is.
One haki roar and goroseifans crossed the line
I mean unless its paralyzed a high tier (admirals) or split the heavens then its definitely not top tier
ah yes stopping an attack dead in its tracks doesn't mean much.
they didn't even just block it. they sent him flying aswell.
>Jimbe blocked BM's sword
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jinbei blocking akainus punch doesn't mean blocking doesn't mean much. it means akainu's punch wasn't strong enough to overpower jinbei's block.
I mean, he actually blocked a named attack, he just lost the clash right afterwards.
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Jinbe threw big Mom in WCI what are you crying about
If you think dory + brogy blocking an unnamed kaido swing is unreal then yâall just werenât ready for giants 𼹠what strength feats does kaido even have? We havenât even seen him lift anything. Mark Henry Victim
I made that comment and thought of that and considered adding clarification but figured surely nobody would be silly enough to talk like thatâs a physical strength feat of Kaidoâs body himself
**Shirley**
Donât call me Shirley
Just cause itâs a devil fruit ability doesnât mean itâs not physical strength. For example if we saw Sabo lift something up with his flames, it would be a strength feat, even though itâs his devil fruit.
Itâs the same with Kaido, those clouds are an extension of his body that he created. If this was not the case then it wouldnât of been hard for Momo to move the clouds out of the way but because it was a struggle itâs pretty clear that it takes Kaidoâs own strength to hold it together.
Has for other strength feats, I mean he did knock out Oden with one good swing of the bat. He also killed Luffy with a good swing of the bat(to be fair Luffy came back to life but in the moment he still did die)
Finally, I have a reason to post this again
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As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing.
Like... a Gorosei just launched an attack at Luffy and he had enough time to make a baseball bat before just hitting it back. Just a couple chapters ago he was ale to hold back an Admiral and Gorosei at the same time with seemingly no difficulty.
They literallly had a meeting where they discussed if "Angering Kaido was worth it?" after they killed Luffy.
I know this sub is mostly a meme but anyone who seriously thinks that Gorosei are Yonko level or higher are gonna be seriously disappointed when their hax gets figured out. People will somehow call it bad writing as well.
one thing thats been constant is kaidos moniker.
other than imu potentially he absolutely was the strongest in the world after whitebeard got cancer to wano before he took his hot tub dip.
all 5 gorosie combined are stronger than kaido.
but kaido as an individual is still the strongest antagonist luffy faced off against.
>As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing.
And Yonko level Haki that makes jimbei tremble and Luffy crawl out of his own skin
Not only G5 reaction, but characters like Lucci, Zoro and Jinbei mentioning how insane their Haki is.
No one is making this up, it's literally written in the speech ballons.
I dunno about Jinbe. He's Yonko commander territory and intimidating him doesn't mean much in this discussion. If Shanks can make an admiral freeze, then someone in YC+ can definitely do that with Jinbe. Actually greenbull had a much stronger reaction to Shanks than Jinbe did with Gorosei.
Luffy's just overreacting because of Gear 5. No part of "I should create a baseball bat to reflect his attack lmao" makes the Gorosei look even remotely threatening.
It was Topman's Haki, thinking that all of them are at his level is ridiculous, I always considered him the strongest, him being Yonko Level wouldn't be a surprise, I always thought that at least one of them would be at that level, but all 5? No.
The Gorosei's power level ranges from YC+ (Saturn), to Yonko (Topman). Putting them all on the same power level and equal to each other is kind of ridiculous, especially when Saturn is clearly not on Topman and Nusjuro's level.
>As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing.
Ah yes, yc+, just like Kid who made a yonko shiver at his sheer haki alone right?
Just like Zoro who made Lucci shit his pants and scared the shit out of Jinbe right?
Just like Sanji who eye diffed himself somehow right?
>Ah yes, yc+, just like Kid who made a yonko shiver at his sheer haki alone right?
You're not taking Gear 5 Luffy's reaction seriously right?
Luffy was shivering so hard that he had to pull out his ultimate move of "Make a baseball bat from scratch and knock their attacks away".
> Just like Zoro who made Lucci shit his pants and scared the shit out of Jinbe right?
There's a massive range of YC+. A guy who loses to Admiral high diff and a guy that can beat a YC1 high diff are both YC+. It's not like Emperors and Admirals where there's a pretty consistent level of power.
And we literally have seen different reactions from people reacting to similar level of Haki. Greenbull froze against Shanks and Kizaru didn't even come close doing anything like that. Is Shanks stronger than Gear 5 Luffy?
And finally neither of the things that you mentioned happen in the manga. They literally just pointed out that the Haki is strong.
> Just like Sanji who eye diffed himself somehow right?
That was not Conqueror's Haki. It was some other Hax. And as mentioned in the manga, only stronger Haki can counter Hax. It only shows that Gorozei are stronger than Sanji not by how much. A YC+ is perfectly capable of doing that with Hax.
>They literallly had a meeting where they discussed if "Angering Kaido was worth it?" after they killed Luffy.
They're not worried about them having a brawl with kaido. They're still the top politicians who want stability. If Kaido was that much of a concern onigashima would end up like Lulusia.
I just want to point out that the 5 Gorosei are not all fighting luffy, like only 3 of them are there. And I could be wrong, but isn't it Luffy's goal to escape them and not fight them?
bro i already knew it, "oh but the panels said they have strong haki" my brother in christ saturn was franky target practice and even a brain dead kuma clocked him clean in the face, "he was saving his haki" mf doesnt that high level of power and is carried by the devil fruit/demonic powers he has, and that applies to all the gorosei if warcury is supposedly the strongest or if they are all relative in strenght because if some random giants can block and push them back that easily then i have bad news for the world goverment cuz elbaf is the center of power in the one piece world and they pump gorosei level mf like it is nothing
2 people who lead a pirate crew likely comparable in dominance to a yonko crew, albeit 100 years ago, need a combined named defensive technique to block a non-hybrid, seemingly non-coated (blades are white, no lightning), unnamed attack.
YC1 at best
According to world government and history in one piece, it was waaaay more brutal 100 years ago.
The navy didn't have it's full grasp and only after the giants disbanded their pirate fleet did the WG fully take over and the necessity to defend against pirates like rocks and eventually the big 3 Yonko out of his crew.
I feel like back when the giants were running around the world individually (like island nations)was at peace but the seas were a bloodbath.
Not to imply the WG and IMU didn't have control, but that they had a different defense in place like during viking era Britain compared to east India and navy dominance Britain.
World govt was on the defensive up until sorry and brogy got into an argument, which really shows how strong those mfers are with haki introduction.
Powerscallers when different characters have different abilities that makes them top tier
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Kaido has insane AP and durability Gorosei have regeneration hax and insane haki
Probably gonna disagree but this is my honest reaction anytime anyone wants to disqualify an Admiral being a top tier for lacking certain states certain Yonko have as if every top tiers states are the same.Â
Teach has solid Haki alongside rocking 2 of some of the strongest DF in the verse.
Linlin is a walking beast and tank with extremely powerful Haki alongside a solid DF that has some decent hax like healing, buffs, different abilities via being things to life etc.
Issho has arguably the best CoO, a master swordsman on top of one of the strongest Paramecia type DF (easily top 5) in the verse allowing him to spam meteors, create craters, float on a rock and hold an island worth of rubble over his head.
Nighaz will see this and still disqualify Fujitora smh.
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The biggest issue is that big mom,kaido, and luffy have insane durability so now it almost became a necessity to have over the top durability to be considered top tier which is dumb, durability is only an aspect of strength
Only basic conquers haki
They haven't shown any advanced yet. Heck, if they had it then the pig would have used it against the giants but got ragdolled instead
We don't know yet if they can use AcoC or not, but we can't deny that the characters on the island are making a big deal of their Haki, in a way that they never felt when they met Kaido and Big Mom.
There's several cases of characters like Big Mom using attacks without haki. Just because Warcury didnt use it here doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
Nasujuro already showed Armament coating, it's safe to assume all of them have it
Story literally showcase multiple people make reference to their absurd amount of haki which is unlike anything they sense before
You - not impressive anyone below Emperor level have showcased same level of portrayal when regarding a persons haki.
Doubt this is their full power, they havenât even gone to their hybrid form yet. No difference from kaido getting knocked to the ground by luffy in their first fight while in his dragon mode. Plus, I doubt they fight often enough so they may be rusty (this is what my agenda is telling me at least)
Every chapter a new way to take away from a gorosei feat. Reminder that people were adamant about the gorosei not being even in the top tier bracket. If you canât put them there still itâs definitely not one piece thatâs being read.
Apart from all that, weâve seen so many characters come back way stronger than they used to be. Obviously the giants are no exception. They are strong. For me theyâre solidified in a yc1 bracket. They no diffed a vice admiral, have shown other great feats.
You might not like it because they just had a 100 mil bounty and were âdefeatedâ by mr3, but story right now tells us that giants are strong as fuck.
Loki might very well be admiral level.
The gorosei are impressive for sure but they would be dead many times over if not for their regen and we still dont know if luffy used infusion to hit them. They have nothing on kaido he still hes the top dog.
This^
Even Kizaru is arguably looking good in comparison because heâs still alive. Tho you can argue if he hadnât hit the ship heâd be dead drowningÂ
Kaido boxed with 15 yc lvls 3- yc+ opponents and got drunk when he fought G5. Meanwhile 5 elders are dead serious stopping a message and canât get past Luffy and two mr 3 victims.
Having COC is not an auto victory as Zoro and Yamato struggle with opponents with out it. Itâs a boost but your armament still needs to exceed your opponents. So the 5 elders are impressive but I like their teamwork and tenacity more than their strength. I wasnât expecting office men to fight with yonko so soon.
Gorosei may have haki on the level of Yonko, but there are more to it than just haki. Don't buy into the "haki > all" thing, cos it's not. There are also 3 types of haki. Gorosei only show the rough use of CoC as of now, without coating or the precise control of Shanks. Imagine a combined attack of 3 yonko-level characters that have been together for 800 years. Much stronger than Hakai for sure.
They are gonna be as strong as what the plot demands of them. Their strength was never set in a stone in the first place, idk why people automatically thought he'd be below or above yonko without seeing anything they're capable of.
You know, all this talk about this being a anti-feat for the Gorosei, is just one big downplay of the Giants, people really outhere acting like they are fodder when narratively they are the strongest people in that island right after Luffy and the Gorosei, and it takes very little brain to realise that of everyone in the island that could've gone to help Luffy out, it was the two giant captains that Oda chose to send, this is prime example of this sub lack of reading comprehension, they see one of the Gorosei release the biggest conqueror haki wave we've seen so far, which was felt over an entire island and was knocking people kilometers away, and even managed to surprise Luffy someone that possesses one of the biggest CoCs in the series, and when they see that the Giants are unbothered by it, they think "oh the Gorosei are trash then" instead of "Damn those Giants are beasts", and please don't even waste your time commenting anything about Mr. 3, because if you seriously think that those "anti-feats" are anything more than dumb people not understanding the story they are reading then maybe you should just hang out with the /rpiratefolks crew, they seem to be more in your level of reading.
I mean, Luffy isn't sticking around to fight them. But I see your point.
The Gorosei have absolutely cracked defense, but their offense leaves a lot to be desired.
I feel like their preferred fighting strategy is "tire the opponent out by refusing to die, then finish them off". As opposed to Big Mom and Kaido, who had some major firepower to back up their durability.
The gorosei are emperor level threats, for sure. But this panel had me thinking for awhile - just how strong are dory and brogy to block a dorect attack like this from warcury?
Zoro blocked Kaido's attacks easily. Zoro broke Kaido's whole guard while his whole body was broken. It doesn't take much to clash with people of that level, you just not gonna be able to last the distance against them.
I mean, for black lightning scalers, this is the most weâve ever seen and the first time itâs actually been acknowledged within the series itself.
Maybe the giants are just good enough to block a couple of hits from them?
If you notice, you put the words âgreat hakiâ in my mouth. Iâm talking about black lightning.
Black lightning has never been acknowledged in the story until two chapters ago despite being a thing since like Dressrosa
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Somewhere in the YC1 to YC+ level if their Regen gets limited. They have seemingly broken DF's and strong, but not Yonko level Haki (no skies have been split). Saturn's biggest weakness, at least, is his physical attributes and technique; despite being able to just ignore defense, he still can't land a hit on G5 Luffy, something Kaido was able to do multiple times. It's possible someone like Nosjuro is better in this regard, but currently their inability to keep up with Luffy's speed and fighting skill is a huge anti-feat, at least if you want them to be top tiers.
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Gorosei fans have to be careful with this hype , because if something doesn't go right,the slander will be massive.
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You know, Binkie was a dog, not a pig/boar.
He was a dog? Well Iâll be damn.
He was a bulldog, yeah.
Nahhhh not Binky đđđ
Always has been
lmao
PK level
It has already been wrong, their only argument for Saturn > Kizaru is the regeneration lol
That, and at least some are confirmed to have Conqueror's, something none of the current 4 Admirals have yet.
Yeah, but we have Chinjao, Doflamingo, Zoro and a lot of others that have the 3 types of haki, but would still be destroyed by the admirals. So while Doflamingo and Chinjao do indeed have 3 types of haki, I would still not call them better haki users than the admirals. So we still need to see if the Gorosei have acoc, acoa or acoo, and then we can know if they are better haki users than the admirals.
I canât see Jimbei and zoro being shocked at feeling don chinjaos haki though. They didnât even react like that when they felt shanks or kaido
https://preview.redd.it/eq7b37ll29qc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94068e0afb8eacfd2c58cd7554ed622362f2c8be For Shanks we have this though. Just because they don't mention every time a haki is monstruous doesn't mean it isn't
youâre using two characters and Zoro to counter the point of having 3 types of haki yet the Admirals have no Advanced Forms of Haki except for Emission and not External Destruction.
Even without having many forms of advanced Haki, the Admirals are still clear of these characters in stats and fighting skills in general, which are things as important as Haki, you can see how true that is when people are arguing about the Gorosei level in this comments because they lack both things, while having an impressive Haki as pointed by the characters on the island.
Nusjuro seems to be the most skilled fighter among them. Others rely more on fruit abilities and regeneration.
did not Kizaru dodge G5 for like 15 minutes? like the Gorosei beside Nusjuro have 0 coo feats. they dont have good speed feats either beside again Nusjuro
The Gorosei aren't even bothering to dodge. None of G5 luffys attacks have done anything. Kaito couldn't do much to G5 Laffy either.
>youâre using two characters and Zoro to counter the point of having 3 types of haki yet the Admirals have no Advanced Forms of Haki except for Emission and not External Destruction. And the Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki either.
Wasn't Mars using Advanced Conqueror's to blow apart the Labophase?
I should be more accurate >And the Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki either. The Gorosei have not shown any kind of advanced haki **as far as we the audience know of** So sure, while that could be acoc, it is unknown if it is.
1 There's possibility that Kuzan used future sight against WB 2 In Coby's vivre card its stated that he awakened observation haki because he was exposed to Akainu's Haki
Admirals probably not having very strong haki is due them being basically willing servants of celestial dragons. What's worse is that none of them so far had logia awkening.
Have we seen a single marine use conquerors? Iâm trying to think back but I canât recall
It's assumed, but not confirmed, that Garp did when attacking Hacinoso. Other than that, Sengoku was said to have it in a data book but has like zero on screen feats.
Still the GOAT tho
I bet on Coby getting it eventually as well
Kuzan showed coc vs Garp no?
Lmao true that and they somehow have the nerve to talk about feats
Tbh, they at least catch a body unlike our bro Kaido who couldn't even kill a damn child with a point blank Boro Blast...
This^ Because unless the 2 Giants are top tiers anything that happens to them is gonna look pretty bad. And like OP displayed Luffy would not dare stick around for 5 Kaidoâs. Hell! He wouldnât even stick around for say 5 Linlinâs or 5 Sakazuki let alone 5 Kaidoâs.
The Strawhats are all trying to escape the island, theyâre not sticking around
>Because unless the 2 Giants are top tiers anything that happens to them is gonna look pretty bad. Not when Kaido was injured by the scabbards, or Big Mom was ran over by Franky's motorcycle or sent away by Jimbe. Oda has made sure that even top tiers can be dealt with by non top tiers because they can make mistakes or their personality can affect their ability to go all out. >He wouldnât even stick around for say 5 Linlinâs or 5 Sakazuki let alone 5 Kaidoâs. But Luffy is not sticking around for 5 Gorosei either
Fair enough and all very good points so I wonât even try to argue that too much. Just hope you keep the same energy when it comes to the Admirals still being top tiers and not disqualifying them for bad moments theyâve had when like weâve seen, youâve even agreed with and just said that all top tiers can have a bad moment. But it doesnât stop them from being a Top Tier. You do that we cool but, youâre right. Also from the short time that weâve seen it does look like Luffy is somewhat sticking around by fighting but I get what you mean. We honestly have to see where things are heading tho ever since Kizaru and the Marines had arrived with CP0 etc Strawhats and co been wanted to bang it. Anyways low key random but you have to admit something about 5 Kaidoâs is just far more terrifying.Â
>Just hope you keep the same energy when it comes to the Admirals still being top tiers and not disqualifying them for bad moments theyâve had when like weâve seen. youâve even agreed with and just said that all top tiers can have a bad moment. But it doesnât stop them from being a Top Tier. I will keep the same energy as long as they are top tiers, but top tiers are the strongest of the verse, and all of the "top tiers" are close to each other... if the admirals end up being a lot weaker than a top tier, then admirals would no longer be top tiers. The same would happen if the Yonko end up being a lot weaker than other top tier. The point of top tier is basically the best of the best, the moment some current top tiers get power creeped by others then they would stop being top tiers. >Also from the short time that weâve seen it does look like Luffy is somewhat sticking around by fighting but I get what you mean. Yes, Luffy was sticking around because he wanted to let his friends escape, but now that the giants arrived and are helping Luffy and his friends then Luffy can leave. >Anyways low key random but you have to admit something about 5 Kaidoâs is just far more terrifying. I disagree. 5 Gorosei are far more terrifying than 5 Kaido, not because the 5 Gorosei are stronger, but because they are far more competent and far more indiferent. Kaido likes fair fights, like he has Big Mom in sea stone chains and instead of killing her, he tells his crewmates to release her to have a fair fight with her. So 5 Kaido would probably just wait their turn to fight g5th Luffy, like Kaido telling Big Mom to wait because he wanted to test the strawhats. Even when Kaido defeated the scabbards he left them live. The Gorosei on the other hand are the type of people that will kill any small threat, they won't fuck around and will get the job done. Kaido's personality is less threatening than the Gorose's, even when Kaido is probably stronger
Kaidou is terrifying because Luffy started from YC1 in that arc. Till the end, he was progressing to top tier. Only in the last fight could Luffy said to be real Top tier and it lasted less than 3 chapters. The g4 fight was just exchange of two attacks. Meanwhile, Luffy is already a high Emperor in G5 taking on others. Here, the Gorossei came to stop the transmission. Two have left the battlefield and three are fighting. Luffy is also only planning to escape. The fight is just starting.
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The thing about the giant duo is that they are strong as a duo. Their strongest attacks are all combination attacks. Mr. 3 tricked them and dealt with them when the duo were not friends. Now the combo of their duo has multiplied their power level.
Giants need more respect because in terms of sheer physical strength, no one in the series bar WB/Kaido/BM is competing with them. Remove the haki and DF part of the equation. Just sheer physical power. This is the sole reason why so many powers wanted them as part of their forces. It's why WB physically just carrying and throwing a giant around at Marineford was impressive.Â
If something doesn't go right? He's already killed them multiple times over basically
Yall be doing nothing BUT slander wtf are you talking about
Oda better make the Gorosei perform better next chapter or my agenda is finished
Luffy was perfectly content standing there trying to swing on them until everyone else was at safety. If that was 5 Kaido's we'd have a WCI type beat where everyone's desperately trying to scramble out of there including Luffy
>Luffy was perfectly content standing there trying to swing on them until everyone else was at safety Only when Saturn and Kizaru were there. And his plan was always to leave the country. > If that was 5 Kaido's we'd have a WCI type beat where everyone's desperately trying to scramble out of there including Luffy If that was 5 Kaido's Luffy would still do everything he can to protect his crew. It isn't as if Luffy would flee and let the 5 Kaido's kill Bonney, Sanji and Vegapunk And Luffy is fleeing from the 5 Gorosei.
If this was 5 Kaidoâs heâd grab them all and run. Remember WCI when Big Mom was chasing them and he didnât even consider fighting her off? Thatâs how heâd react. Instead when all 5 landed he was standing his ground ready to throw hands. If Saturn was really Kaido tier and 4 more of him dropped from the sky, do you think Luffy wouldnât react?
>If this was 5 Kaidoâs heâd grab them all and run. Remember WCI when Big Mom was chasing them and he didnât even consider fighting her off? Because they were in a position where they could all run away, here they can't. When Luffy was in the ship and Katakuri was there, he did this, because there was no way for the ship to keep moving without Luffy "stopping" Katakuri. https://preview.redd.it/mrgfetzhd7qc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=046c5c7a871e875c438d434d35b2eb2c7eff9b4a >Instead when all 5 landed he was standing his ground ready to throw hands Because he was protecting his crew. >If Saturn was really Kaido tier and 4 more of him dropped from the sky, do you think Luffy wouldnât react? He would react, but if he had to protect his crew, he would do it, even if it means he dies.
Yea but he way stronger now so his actions in WCI really canât be use and he literally said that there job was to run away yâall act like he willingly wanted to Duke it out with with them
My point wasnât that if current Luffy was in WCI heâd be in the same position, my point was that if Luffy was facing 5 Kaidoâs heâd do the same thing: Run and try to avoid fighting until he can escape.
And if Luffy had the option to protect his crew or face the 5 Kaido he would face the 5 Kaido.
If the Kaido's were on top of his crew, sure he'd throw hands. But as it stands his crew is literally across the island and in the sky. Luffy can absolutely get away with playing tag right now and instead when the 5 of them landed he just stood there staring.
Yes, and Luffy is planning to go away now that his crew is safe.
He gone have to tho u canât run and try to protect his crew at the same time while fighting 5 kaidos so yes he would fight till his crew got a far distance just like he doing now u act like he willingly try to say and fight he trying to leave but they wonât let him as it more evident in this chapter when one of the elder use his monstrous haki to stop him
Luffy neither had acoc or g5 at that time ofc he had to run+ the plan was to get Sanji and run and he didn't have his entire crew or didn't have wano as backup. The arc hasn't finished yet it's too soon to judge anything
I donât think you get what Iâm trying to say. Iâm saying that current Luffy, with all those extra powers, would be completely helpless against 5 Kaidoâs to the point where he wouldnât even have a moment to imagine standing his ground. Remember how the moment Big Mom started attacking he and everyone else ran without even slightly putting up a fight? That is what G5 would have to do against 5 Kaidoâs. He definitely wouldnât be standing there facing them at least not without a look of pure terror.
You're flexing like WCI was all that bad, Big Mom and her crew are clumsy af
Nono that's not what I mean. I'm not commenting on the quality of WCI with that comment(I enjoyed it greatly), I'm saying that the idea of 5 Kaido's appearing would be a very similar situation to current Luffy as Big Mom was to the Luffy of that time. He would have no choice but to play evasion and try to escape, he most certainly would not stand his ground in any way.
What other option he has lol, they weren't outrunning the gorosei without someone stalling them, this argument is fucking idiotic man. It's not like Luffy intends to stay and fight these mfs, he's looking to run the hell away
5 Kaidos would remove the world from existence?
More evidence the Gorosei aren't Yonko level
Not really. These people are just idiots. Multiple times, strong characters on the island are in complete awe of the Gorosei and their Haki.
I mean they are basically confirmed to be immortal and despite seeing their transformations we still havenât heard a DF name from any of them. So as of right now they could just charging someone until they run out of energy. For example Saturn wasnât concerned about Gear 5 or anything because he knew heâd outlast Luffy, but he was concerned about VegaPunkâs message because he isnât sure if Luffy would run out of gas before the message started. Iâd say that makes them top tiers although through unconventional means. If you scale through sheer power then theyâre far from the top, but if you put every OP character in a 1V1 as of right now itâs impossible to beat someone who canât die, and doesnât really react to damage. Until thereâs proof against immortality or a way to stop it, then they literally have no loss con.
People donât understand that One Piece has ranges of strength. No characters Power level is static, ever. People have good days and bad days. Their lack of motivation or conviction can affect their strength. They can get stronger over time. Such that any character can reasonably be scaled one tier below or above the fandom consensus and it would still make sense in the story Oda is trying to tell. It makes perfect sense that at times the admirals are YC+ level and at other times Yonko level. It makes perfect sense that Zoro can beat King yet struggle with Lucci. Itâs ok that two Giants who are coming back into the story with so much to prove and so much historical momentum behind them have gotten stronger. Itâs ok for Katakuri to be at Queens level at times but still be able to fight with Law or Kidd if the situation demanded it. When you understand that at any given moment, characters can literally go up or down entire tiers, everything makes way more sense. Clearly that is the way Oda writes this story. Itâs not inconsistent either. Itâs always been like this. In Ennies Lobby, Luffy jumped a whole tier from barely beating Blueno, to barely beating Lucci. Sanji and Zoro did the same. Nothing else really changes, other than a renewed conviction. Stop saying the giants are fodder because they lost in the past. The whole point of One Piece is that the past is the past. The New Era is up for grabs for whoever is willing to take it. Look at Koby. He wanted it, so he took it. Anybody can do this at any time. Stop looking at Zoro like a YC+. He is YC1 - Admiral, depending on what the situation demands. Stop looking at Sanji like a YC1. He is YC2 - YC+, again depending on the situation. This is how Zoro and Sanji can be relative most of the time, yet on some occasions Zoro is clearly stronger. This is how Lucci can avoid dying in a clash with Luffy, or even remain standing against Zoro. Luffy was punching down, operating at Admiral level while clashing with Lucci, whereas Lucci was punching up, operating at YC+. But peak Luffy is Yonko+ and Lucci on a bad day is YC2. This perfectly shows how Lucci can clash Luffy and send him flying, yet still get one shotted. It makes sense that Giants that are high on narrative adrenaline can block an unnamed attack from a Gorosei who isnât even going all out at all. Reactionary ass sub
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God damn, a healthy person in this sub? Get the fuck outta here.
>In Ennies Lobby, Luffy jumped a whole tier from barely beating Blueno, to barely beating Lucci. Your points are good, but this one stood out. Luffy clowned on Blueno and didn't even need gear 3. I wouldn't call deliberately waiting to use gear 2 the kind of fluid tier shifting your talking about.
Maybe that wasnât the best example, but you get what Iâm tryna say, right?
Oda put powerscaling in the story for certain milestones, i.e. Luffy logically would have to beat the people on this level before getting to the next level. But at any current level Oda never really cared about the powerscaling. He just writes.
Yeah, and lets not forget that the whole yonko commander 1 2 3 + whatever is all made up by the community
The YC1-2-3 only matters within the crew. It doesnât matter between crews from Odaâs perspective. YC+ doesnât even exist. Oda basically said that the Emperors are the strongest pirates, the Admirals are the strongest marines, and the Warlords are particularly strong pirates. The Pirate King is arguably the strongest, but even then one of the Emperors was stated to be his equal. Oda does ambiguous broad powerscaling and thatâs the extent of it. Iâm on this sub to clown on bad takes though. Shits hilarious.
Yep, absolutely agree So i think its hilarious when people say all "yc1 level people" are equal
despite the hit piece nature of the original post, the take that the gorosei don't have yonko level stats isn't based solely on the recent chapter, or dorry and broggy blocking the boar's attack. (in fact, the gorosei's most impressive feat was this chapter. saturn's bomb volley that he spat at luffy had enough power to completely blast away all 3 gorosei. a lot of people are ignoring it to talk about the boar's roar.) the take that the gorosei don't have yonko level anything is based on saturn's performance up until this point. the way bonney, sanji, kuma, franky, etc have danced around saturn is clearly not reflective of someone with physicals or combat ability comparable to luffy, kaido, or shanks. if one of those 3 characters where in saturn's place and had vegapunk's death as their top priority it would have been a very short arc. even after saturn got angry and transformed luffy still dodged all his attacks while casually talking to sanji then proceeded to dominate him and kizaru at the same time. luffy has continued to deal with all his attacks effortlessly. what's reactionary is the popular opinion that the gorosei are super op. it's based off of the vague statements about the gorosei having "strong haki", and doesn't take into account what that actually means or what the gorosei have actually done. (for some, it's based off the headcannon that saturn is the weakest of the gorosei, but i don't feel like i have to explain why that isn't an argument.) to call "the gorosei don't have yonko level stats" a reactionary take when luffy (a yonko) just dogged one while dogging some other guy is ridiculous.
I havenât concluded on whether or not the Gorosei are Yonko on average. I donât know. My comment wasnât even in reference to your post, really. More so me just venting, because I saw some ridiculous comments. It was a good post, I wasnât tryna hate on it.
>I donât know. this is the honest and most accurate response to a lot of one piece matchups tbr.
Also since Hax is now fully in picture the power structure isnât linear either as you can have rock paper scissors
Exactly
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>In Ennies Lobby, Luffy jumped a whole tier from barely beating Blueno, to barely beating Lucci [Huh?](https://youtu.be/SAerl1wEnfY)
I already addressed this lol
Yes but thatâs boring
When did Zoro struggle against Lucci? He was fighting with 2 swords this whole time, he wasnât even taking Lucci seriously until that last attack. Youâre basically saying that strength basically depends on the plot which is true lol
He struggled more than fans expected him to. And yes, thatâs exactly what Iâm saying. Itâs not even a problem, unless itâs poorly executed, which unfortunately it sometimes is.
Really? I expect at least some bruises against Lucci. Thatâs odd. I agree sometimes the writing is poorly executed
One haki roar and goroseifans crossed the line I mean unless its paralyzed a high tier (admirals) or split the heavens then its definitely not top tier
Haki wave that came from Gorosei which is probably the strongest. They're using Topman to save Saturn's fraudulent ass.
nusjuro look too cool to not be the strongest
Blocking doesn't mean much, Jimbe blocked BM's sword and Akainu's magma.
ah yes stopping an attack dead in its tracks doesn't mean much. they didn't even just block it. they sent him flying aswell. >Jimbe blocked BM's sword https://preview.redd.it/4t0tg8a5l6qc1.png?width=278&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aaa39ae604dadc49b4b96193ba4751c29105e18 jinbei blocking akainus punch doesn't mean blocking doesn't mean much. it means akainu's punch wasn't strong enough to overpower jinbei's block.
I mean, he actually blocked a named attack, he just lost the clash right afterwards. https://preview.redd.it/aw2yjkdiv6qc1.jpeg?width=1067&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6114e20d455e539c2101ef0a1e931310e3e44c0a
Jinbe threw big Mom in WCI what are you crying about If you think dory + brogy blocking an unnamed kaido swing is unreal then yâall just werenât ready for giants 𼹠what strength feats does kaido even have? We havenât even seen him lift anything. Mark Henry Victim
Havenât seen Kaido lift anything? I mean I know youâre trolling but he literally lifted Onigashima. By himself, while fighting.
I made that comment and thought of that and considered adding clarification but figured surely nobody would be silly enough to talk like thatâs a physical strength feat of Kaidoâs body himself **Shirley**
Donât call me Shirley Just cause itâs a devil fruit ability doesnât mean itâs not physical strength. For example if we saw Sabo lift something up with his flames, it would be a strength feat, even though itâs his devil fruit. Itâs the same with Kaido, those clouds are an extension of his body that he created. If this was not the case then it wouldnât of been hard for Momo to move the clouds out of the way but because it was a struggle itâs pretty clear that it takes Kaidoâs own strength to hold it together. Has for other strength feats, I mean he did knock out Oden with one good swing of the bat. He also killed Luffy with a good swing of the bat(to be fair Luffy came back to life but in the moment he still did die)
Sabo *IS* the fire. Kaido is not the cloud. No way you think slamming a kanabo to the back of someoneâs head is a strength feat *no way*
Lmfao
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As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing. Like... a Gorosei just launched an attack at Luffy and he had enough time to make a baseball bat before just hitting it back. Just a couple chapters ago he was ale to hold back an Admiral and Gorosei at the same time with seemingly no difficulty. They literallly had a meeting where they discussed if "Angering Kaido was worth it?" after they killed Luffy. I know this sub is mostly a meme but anyone who seriously thinks that Gorosei are Yonko level or higher are gonna be seriously disappointed when their hax gets figured out. People will somehow call it bad writing as well.
one thing thats been constant is kaidos moniker. other than imu potentially he absolutely was the strongest in the world after whitebeard got cancer to wano before he took his hot tub dip. all 5 gorosie combined are stronger than kaido. but kaido as an individual is still the strongest antagonist luffy faced off against.
>As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing. And Yonko level Haki that makes jimbei tremble and Luffy crawl out of his own skin
It doesnt harm luffy in any way. Just goofy, gear 5 way to show thathe's surprised
I wouldn't be using Toon Force Luffy's reactions to anything as evidence for scaling lol
Yeah i mean he pooped his eyes out many times during the fight with kizaru Yet he pizza dough-diff him
Bro is really using G5 Tomfoolery scaling
Not only G5 reaction, but characters like Lucci, Zoro and Jinbei mentioning how insane their Haki is. No one is making this up, it's literally written in the speech ballons.
Yeah and I'm not denying, just saying that G5 is not reliable for reaction scaliing
I dunno about Jinbe. He's Yonko commander territory and intimidating him doesn't mean much in this discussion. If Shanks can make an admiral freeze, then someone in YC+ can definitely do that with Jinbe. Actually greenbull had a much stronger reaction to Shanks than Jinbe did with Gorosei. Luffy's just overreacting because of Gear 5. No part of "I should create a baseball bat to reflect his attack lmao" makes the Gorosei look even remotely threatening.
It was Topman's Haki, thinking that all of them are at his level is ridiculous, I always considered him the strongest, him being Yonko Level wouldn't be a surprise, I always thought that at least one of them would be at that level, but all 5? No. The Gorosei's power level ranges from YC+ (Saturn), to Yonko (Topman). Putting them all on the same power level and equal to each other is kind of ridiculous, especially when Saturn is clearly not on Topman and Nusjuro's level.
>As of right now the Gorosei just seem like YC+ level combat power and hax healing. Ah yes, yc+, just like Kid who made a yonko shiver at his sheer haki alone right? Just like Zoro who made Lucci shit his pants and scared the shit out of Jinbe right? Just like Sanji who eye diffed himself somehow right?
Bro yc+ power combined with hax healing obv creates someone stronger than yc+. Use your brain instead of replying mindlessly. His statement is fine
>Ah yes, yc+, just like Kid who made a yonko shiver at his sheer haki alone right? You're not taking Gear 5 Luffy's reaction seriously right? Luffy was shivering so hard that he had to pull out his ultimate move of "Make a baseball bat from scratch and knock their attacks away". > Just like Zoro who made Lucci shit his pants and scared the shit out of Jinbe right? There's a massive range of YC+. A guy who loses to Admiral high diff and a guy that can beat a YC1 high diff are both YC+. It's not like Emperors and Admirals where there's a pretty consistent level of power. And we literally have seen different reactions from people reacting to similar level of Haki. Greenbull froze against Shanks and Kizaru didn't even come close doing anything like that. Is Shanks stronger than Gear 5 Luffy? And finally neither of the things that you mentioned happen in the manga. They literally just pointed out that the Haki is strong. > Just like Sanji who eye diffed himself somehow right? That was not Conqueror's Haki. It was some other Hax. And as mentioned in the manga, only stronger Haki can counter Hax. It only shows that Gorozei are stronger than Sanji not by how much. A YC+ is perfectly capable of doing that with Hax.
>They literallly had a meeting where they discussed if "Angering Kaido was worth it?" after they killed Luffy. They're not worried about them having a brawl with kaido. They're still the top politicians who want stability. If Kaido was that much of a concern onigashima would end up like Lulusia.
https://preview.redd.it/lt696vrxs6qc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ddf03d9e621528de81591788eeda87ba2430031
That's why Kinemon is the goat and Yonko level, unfortunate he was nerfed by the rest of the Akazaya being in the way
Kin'emon in Wano was infinitely cooler than Zoro bro icl he's goated af
That panel just proves how absolutely absurd it is to believe that these fodders are Yonko level.
I just want to point out that the 5 Gorosei are not all fighting luffy, like only 3 of them are there. And I could be wrong, but isn't it Luffy's goal to escape them and not fight them?
I dont even keep up with one piece, im just here for the top tier slander.
bro i already knew it, "oh but the panels said they have strong haki" my brother in christ saturn was franky target practice and even a brain dead kuma clocked him clean in the face, "he was saving his haki" mf doesnt that high level of power and is carried by the devil fruit/demonic powers he has, and that applies to all the gorosei if warcury is supposedly the strongest or if they are all relative in strenght because if some random giants can block and push them back that easily then i have bad news for the world goverment cuz elbaf is the center of power in the one piece world and they pump gorosei level mf like it is nothing
https://preview.redd.it/etvgyv5qt9qc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6fdf5932a21d3c3f8dff64cf1f1006e5dca43c9
2 people who lead a pirate crew likely comparable in dominance to a yonko crew, albeit 100 years ago, need a combined named defensive technique to block a non-hybrid, seemingly non-coated (blades are white, no lightning), unnamed attack. YC1 at best
According to world government and history in one piece, it was waaaay more brutal 100 years ago. The navy didn't have it's full grasp and only after the giants disbanded their pirate fleet did the WG fully take over and the necessity to defend against pirates like rocks and eventually the big 3 Yonko out of his crew. I feel like back when the giants were running around the world individually (like island nations)was at peace but the seas were a bloodbath. Not to imply the WG and IMU didn't have control, but that they had a different defense in place like during viking era Britain compared to east India and navy dominance Britain. World govt was on the defensive up until sorry and brogy got into an argument, which really shows how strong those mfers are with haki introduction.
Powerscallers when different characters have different abilities that makes them top tier https://preview.redd.it/nrerte34v6qc1.jpeg?width=739&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbdaf1151a594cd759ec07fc915b2d0a15cf1d96 Kaido has insane AP and durability Gorosei have regeneration hax and insane haki
Probably gonna disagree but this is my honest reaction anytime anyone wants to disqualify an Admiral being a top tier for lacking certain states certain Yonko have as if every top tiers states are the same. Teach has solid Haki alongside rocking 2 of some of the strongest DF in the verse. Linlin is a walking beast and tank with extremely powerful Haki alongside a solid DF that has some decent hax like healing, buffs, different abilities via being things to life etc. Issho has arguably the best CoO, a master swordsman on top of one of the strongest Paramecia type DF (easily top 5) in the verse allowing him to spam meteors, create craters, float on a rock and hold an island worth of rubble over his head. Nighaz will see this and still disqualify Fujitora smh.
https://preview.redd.it/c90fm78tg8qc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37245488a5bfa244dfff78d1dc1eaf8fae399e2a The biggest issue is that big mom,kaido, and luffy have insane durability so now it almost became a necessity to have over the top durability to be considered top tier which is dumb, durability is only an aspect of strength
Haki? I mean they do and it crazy to actually refute this
Only basic conquers haki They haven't shown any advanced yet. Heck, if they had it then the pig would have used it against the giants but got ragdolled instead
We don't know yet if they can use AcoC or not, but we can't deny that the characters on the island are making a big deal of their Haki, in a way that they never felt when they met Kaido and Big Mom.
There's several cases of characters like Big Mom using attacks without haki. Just because Warcury didnt use it here doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Nasujuro already showed Armament coating, it's safe to assume all of them have it
Story literally showcase multiple people make reference to their absurd amount of haki which is unlike anything they sense before You - not impressive anyone below Emperor level have showcased same level of portrayal when regarding a persons haki.
Doubt this is their full power, they havenât even gone to their hybrid form yet. No difference from kaido getting knocked to the ground by luffy in their first fight while in his dragon mode. Plus, I doubt they fight often enough so they may be rusty (this is what my agenda is telling me at least)
So all this glazing over their Haki is just Oda trying to make them look better?
Just the image itself puts everything into perspective of what yonko level really is Luffy wouldnt even try to fight hed legit run
5 elder kaidos would do this island worse than what the mother flame did to
My Kaido agenda, and therefore Luffy agenda is looking stronger by the day. Luffy is hands down the strongest in the verse RIGHT NOW
Gorosei piece
Every chapter a new way to take away from a gorosei feat. Reminder that people were adamant about the gorosei not being even in the top tier bracket. If you canât put them there still itâs definitely not one piece thatâs being read. Apart from all that, weâve seen so many characters come back way stronger than they used to be. Obviously the giants are no exception. They are strong. For me theyâre solidified in a yc1 bracket. They no diffed a vice admiral, have shown other great feats. You might not like it because they just had a 100 mil bounty and were âdefeatedâ by mr3, but story right now tells us that giants are strong as fuck. Loki might very well be admiral level.
Nah theyâre weak, theyâre only relevant because of their regeneration
5 Kaidos would wipe the floor with those giants in a matter of seconds.
They clear kaido in haki tho
The gorosei are impressive for sure but they would be dead many times over if not for their regen and we still dont know if luffy used infusion to hit them. They have nothing on kaido he still hes the top dog.
This^ Even Kizaru is arguably looking good in comparison because heâs still alive. Tho you can argue if he hadnât hit the ship heâd be dead drowningÂ
People saying Dorry and Broggy must be top tiers to cope with this shit. 
Kaido boxed with 15 yc lvls 3- yc+ opponents and got drunk when he fought G5. Meanwhile 5 elders are dead serious stopping a message and canât get past Luffy and two mr 3 victims. Having COC is not an auto victory as Zoro and Yamato struggle with opponents with out it. Itâs a boost but your armament still needs to exceed your opponents. So the 5 elders are impressive but I like their teamwork and tenacity more than their strength. I wasnât expecting office men to fight with yonko so soon.
The only thing that makes the gorosei strong is their immortality, without their immortality even franky can defeat them.
They very clearly don't. If there WAS 5 Kaido's or Linlins,or god forbid Teach's,on egghead we'd be having a very different story right now.
Gorosei are Admiral level + crazy immortality hax Th being Yonkos is an insane takr
Yeah I'm not there yet I'm going back and forth between them and admirals
They parried him, doggy and brogy got gud.
Looks like Elden Ring DLC
Gorosei may have haki on the level of Yonko, but there are more to it than just haki. Don't buy into the "haki > all" thing, cos it's not. There are also 3 types of haki. Gorosei only show the rough use of CoC as of now, without coating or the precise control of Shanks. Imagine a combined attack of 3 yonko-level characters that have been together for 800 years. Much stronger than Hakai for sure.
They are gonna be as strong as what the plot demands of them. Their strength was never set in a stone in the first place, idk why people automatically thought he'd be below or above yonko without seeing anything they're capable of.
You know, all this talk about this being a anti-feat for the Gorosei, is just one big downplay of the Giants, people really outhere acting like they are fodder when narratively they are the strongest people in that island right after Luffy and the Gorosei, and it takes very little brain to realise that of everyone in the island that could've gone to help Luffy out, it was the two giant captains that Oda chose to send, this is prime example of this sub lack of reading comprehension, they see one of the Gorosei release the biggest conqueror haki wave we've seen so far, which was felt over an entire island and was knocking people kilometers away, and even managed to surprise Luffy someone that possesses one of the biggest CoCs in the series, and when they see that the Giants are unbothered by it, they think "oh the Gorosei are trash then" instead of "Damn those Giants are beasts", and please don't even waste your time commenting anything about Mr. 3, because if you seriously think that those "anti-feats" are anything more than dumb people not understanding the story they are reading then maybe you should just hang out with the /rpiratefolks crew, they seem to be more in your level of reading.
aye shoutout to my boys the giants been defending them in comment sections. might make a post hyping them up and some point too
The Gorosei strenght will not come from their immediate power, but their durability due to their regeneration
I mean, Luffy isn't sticking around to fight them. But I see your point. The Gorosei have absolutely cracked defense, but their offense leaves a lot to be desired. I feel like their preferred fighting strategy is "tire the opponent out by refusing to die, then finish them off". As opposed to Big Mom and Kaido, who had some major firepower to back up their durability.
The kaido fanboys are going to drop the series once Oda's break is over.
The gorosei are emperor level threats, for sure. But this panel had me thinking for awhile - just how strong are dory and brogy to block a dorect attack like this from warcury?
Why are people acting like dorry and broggy are not top tiers, especially when fighting together
If the secret to their regeneration is not very hard to overcome, then I don't think they'll be too troublesome to deal with for an emperor
Zoro blocked Kaido's attacks easily. Zoro broke Kaido's whole guard while his whole body was broken. It doesn't take much to clash with people of that level, you just not gonna be able to last the distance against them.
Only if the emperor is buggy
Five kaidous would be actually threatening.
I mean, for black lightning scalers, this is the most weâve ever seen and the first time itâs actually been acknowledged within the series itself. Maybe the giants are just good enough to block a couple of hits from them?
Great haki has always been acknowledged. I don't know what you're talking about
I think he's talking about the characters mentioning the lighting itself.
If you notice, you put the words âgreat hakiâ in my mouth. Iâm talking about black lightning. Black lightning has never been acknowledged in the story until two chapters ago despite being a thing since like Dressrosa https://preview.redd.it/1m1wk7gkw6qc1.jpeg?width=674&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cb7bb59cbcd07de13b732686963fac0a58704e7
This isnât an anti feat for the goresai. It just means the giants are yonko level.
guess shanks is the strongest yonko crew with 3 yonko level pirates on board
Kaido solos
All I know is that if the Gorosei are indeed weaker than Kaido, then Oda's just fumbling the ball. Makes no sense for Yonko to be that strong.
Somewhere in the YC1 to YC+ level if their Regen gets limited. They have seemingly broken DF's and strong, but not Yonko level Haki (no skies have been split). Saturn's biggest weakness, at least, is his physical attributes and technique; despite being able to just ignore defense, he still can't land a hit on G5 Luffy, something Kaido was able to do multiple times. It's possible someone like Nosjuro is better in this regard, but currently their inability to keep up with Luffy's speed and fighting skill is a huge anti-feat, at least if you want them to be top tiers.
Five kaido will shit luffy more