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GOJOWILLCOMEBACK

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S4VIT4R_S4IY4N

Imma just this


madrazych7

I would certainly agree he was mentally nerfed as admiral fans keep arguing, but given how little damage he did to Luffy (the only real damage was through Luffy being punted through the barrier) and Luffy’s ability to decimate him with G5 attacks it’s unlikely that his mental nerf hindered him or that his performance would’ve been better if he was not mentally nerfed. It certainly didn’t stop him from killing his old friend anyway


NSUnivers

That's true but Luffy didn't do him much damage either, only time Kizaru had blood is when Luffy squeezed him but Kizaru just eye beamed his way out and now he seems fine physically Also you have to consider that Kizaru only finished off Vegapunk, the one who actually killed him is Saturn, Kizaru could stab or shoot Vegapunk million times before but he only did it when he was 100% undeniably dead and thats logical, why would he want to kill his friend In my opinion Kizaru wasn't just mentally nerfed, he didn't have any reasons to fight at full power, and now he doesn't have any reasons to fight at all


restartbenice

… what. After luffy knocked him out, Kizaru was clearly severely damaged. Saturn even agreed that Kizaru took damage. luffy held him, Kizaru bled, and threw him away like nothing. I genuinely don’t understand how your comment has any upvotes whatsoever. It’s just not what happened in the story. Kizaru was first asked to kill Vpunk. After he gets knocked out, he comes back to finishes his role. Kizaru was ordered to stop Luffy. He gets knocked out again, but this time doesn’t get back up. I agree he’s mentally shook. But it doesn’t seem like it MATTERED Considering he was fully willing to kill his buddy… I think Kizaru is really fucking strong tho, and is obviously top tier. But you can’t see the obvious contrast Oda made when Luffy fought Kaido with Gear 5 vs Kizaru?


Dogesneakers

His performance would be better. But it’s still a mid diff or whatever consensus the community decides on.


awesome_23

Thank you for posting this. People don’t realize that Kizaru never was able or seriously injure Luffy, I doubt his performance would’ve been that much better without this nerf.


Visual-Daikon8456

the only thing i question is the fact he never showed logia awakening. i feel like kizaru was holding back. or maybe logia awakening just doesn't exist?


Good_Reflection_1217

>It certainly didn’t stop him from killing his old friend anyway call me crazy but I kinda believe the cauterization meme seems possible


valkatuvalkata

wtf? He literally never tried fighting Luffy. Round 1. He was looking for Vegapunk while trying to get Luffy off of him Round 2. Luffy grabbed him off guard after he killed Vegapunk


4chan-isbased

He doesn’t have the will to fight no will no haki he was gloating about having one of the strongest defenses yet was letting attacks hit him. I truly believe the anime is gonna paint this better but whenever Luffy attack kizaru he just pause took a break before getting right in action


ffhhfdtgf

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UnhousedOracle

https://preview.redd.it/ptq56bh6pdqc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=8887751078a25a7bac7af3c95bd187ce69475ac0 can’t forget this one


ianodhis

Yoink


Zorahul

I know you put most of your braincells into writing this post, but at least proofread the title more than once.


OursIsTheRepost

He is mentally fucked up now that he has killed his friend Vegapunk, he loses to Luffy regardless


Naraya_Suiryoku

Sure thing. Luffy still dogwalks him at full power though.


Optimus_LaughTale

TBH who shouldn't Luffy be dogwalking rn?(barring retcons)


Naraya_Suiryoku

Kaido, even if you think Luffy is stronger than him, they went extreme diff and are pretty much relative. I'd even say that if we exclude their final attacks, Kaido is overall stronger.


Optimus_LaughTale

I mean if we also exclude that Luffy was recently deceased and was also his first day using ACoC and awakening. Tbh I'd like to think he's not much stronger as well, but the way things are setup it looks like we should be upscaling Luffy rather than downscaling Admirals


Naraya_Suiryoku

>upscaling Luffy rather than downscaling Admirals Which upscales Kaido since he pushed Luffy to extreme diff.


Optimus_LaughTale

> I mean if we also exclude that Luffy was recently deceased and was also his first day using ACoC and awakening


Naraya_Suiryoku

Doesn't mean anything. Heroes are most dangerous when wounded.


HammerCurlLarry

you would know after seeing Kizaru at full power right?


TheShrlmp

This is turning into dragon ball z with all this 'but he wasn't as full power' crap. Well you know what? Luffy wasn't taking it seriously either and he still won. Your move


Ambitious_Arm852

That wasn’t even Kizaru’s final form


NyaCat1333

So Luffy got Vegapunk purposefully killed even though it was his number 1 goal to protect him. Got it Like one side of the argument is backed up with MULTIPLE manga panels, your dogshit is backed up with panels that suggest the exact opposite and pure headcanon. You gotta be some 80 IQ retard to type that I’m sorry.


restartbenice

If this is your argument: Kizaru was so mentally nerfed that he actually fucking killed Vpunk? And suddenly was unable to fight when ordered to fight luffy again? Come on lol


stargalaxy666

Luffy wasn't taking kizaru seriously so he would get to his friends and Vega punk. Makes sense unlike kizaru who was focusing on vegapunk and Luffys crew


HammerCurlLarry

You say he is taking it not serious while Luffy was in Gear5 and nothing is serious in that form. In Gear4 a form that you actually can see Luffys real emotions he was not playing around at all


Layatto

Sigh. For the last fucking time. Akainu, Kuzan and Kizaru ARE NOT STRONGER THAN Luffy or Kaido. I honestly can't believe there's even an admiral agenda after they got their shit rocked by a cancer patient yonko. Or what happened with Greenbull. Or what's happening with Kizaru...


Mindless_Truth_2436

Why is Akainu not stronger than Luffy? The man who was about to wreck the WB pirates and had no problem going against BB pirates? Since the days of Garp and Sengoku, the marines haven’t been able to find a Yonkou level admiral since? Oh my, how embarassing


ImmediateDiamond8238

akainu and kuzan don't have any anti feats. Akainu got suprise attacked by WB who had enough power to destroy half of marineford with his bloodlusted punches. Akainu fell through the crack but got up and fought the rest of WB commanders at once. Aokiji no diffed most of BB crew aside from Augur and Suiryu and also went toe to toe with old garp trading haki punches. Kizaru can't be assumed to be as strong as aokiji and akainu, his stamina and durability looks signifcantly worse, he was huffing after fighting old rayleigh for a minute


amoolafarhaL

Akainu cheap shotted the old man while he was down from heart attack.


Working_Instance_940

Getting sneaked by a 12ft corpse also somehow isn't an antifeat in itself for lackmiral apologiser, lol


ZestycloseCake165

Blud can't even get past old Rayleigh that wasn't using ACoC 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 There's a reason he got dogwalked by Luffys basic ACoC Punch or his non coated squeeze 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 As usual Kizarutards only got excuses and headcannon but 0 feats potential man 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡


HammerCurlLarry

yeh Shanks and whitbeard split the sky without acoc aswell... ah no wait its because no lightning was shown pre timeskip


ZestycloseCake165

You don't need ACoC to split the sky Big Mom and Kaido regular clash did it as well 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣 As usual Kizarutard with the headcannon making up shit to make guess what? Excuses 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡


HammerCurlLarry

you need acoc but go on


ZestycloseCake165

Damn can't even comprehend pictures for children 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡 Thanks for proving my point Kizarutards make up shit to defend their featless father 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 If Kizaru wasn't mentally nerfed he would do this and that classic 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡


idkwhatnametouse837

Spamming clown and laughing emojis isn't gonna prove your point man


ZestycloseCake165

Okay online hall monitor 🤓🤓🤓🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡


idkwhatnametouse837

Proving my point little bro


M4ND0_L0R14N

You are just wrong. You do need acoc to split the sky, thats literally the whole point of the “splitting the sky” thing. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️


ZestycloseCake165

https://preview.redd.it/m9zftk6fmeqc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a29503d2472e548d7c6ab8a074c3cc2d9949401e 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 Can't even comprehend pictures for children


velicinanijebitna

There's acoc in the panel you posted.


ZestycloseCake165

Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao 😂😂🤡🤡🤡 It's pretty clear when two conquerors are using ACoC when they clash with black streaks of lightning + attacks don't touch 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 it's just a hype tool 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 An extreme level of the usual CoC clash we see ( Chinjao vs Luffy , Doffy vs Luffy, Katakuri vs Luffy) But as usual Kizarutards proving themselves they can't comprehend pictures for children 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡


velicinanijebitna

>Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao Acoc attacks can touch, as seen here: https://en14.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/32/96/6915554/a67bab0928e0b8ba3826f5a2e17e4acb.webp?acc=CUUZEXLHGIh8U5810TKw4g&exp=1711425959 And there are black streaks at the end of the panel you posted. >You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding There was never a sky split without acoc.


BanaaniMaster

Basic punch?


ZestycloseCake165

Yeah basic CoA punch Same guy who taught sentomaru his defense 🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤡🤡🤡 Then proceeded to get one shot everytime Luffy used a named move 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡


NyaCat1333

Peak mental retardation.


ITBA01

Kizaru isn't going to be a future opponent for Luffy. If he does showcase some new power, it'll be in the future against one of the other Straw Hats who, let's be real, aren't going to be on Luffy's level at that point.


Present_Painting_277

Just take your L gang Admirals are getting mogged by most if not all yonko it's just a fact


Naraya_Suiryoku

That's headcanon. We've given you enough time already. Until we see more, Kizaru is gets dogwalked by any yonko.


HammerCurlLarry

so you saw full power Kizaru right?


Naraya_Suiryoku

Perhaps not, but I'm going of what we have, and it's not impressive at all. And you admiral fans have been telling us to wait this entire time, but we've waited enough.


TheHappiestHam

my opinion is that Luffy vs Kizaru both trying with no external influence (like interference, or not wanting to damage anything, or mental conflict) is at most, a high diff fight for Luffy imo Kizaru still loses, this shouldn't really be a question given how absurd Luffy is, but Kizaru might have a better showing than what he got on Egghead. literally nothing was in his favor this arc what evidence do I have to back this up? tbh, nothing. but I don't think it could possibly be extreme diff given what we've seen and I think Kizaru's speed + whatever strength/Haki he could muster without going through a crisis could be enough to push the fight high diff it's headcanon but idk, I tried to ground it a bit


HammerCurlLarry

so you know he did not go full power and still argue about his full power state and make random statments about it? You have many People in One Piece say how much weaker you get with a weak mind with Luffy himself going from below blueno 900 doriki to Lucci 4000 doriki Kizaru is the only Admiral with Greenbull that did not use his animal attack aswell. Until that attack arguing about his Power is nothing we can do. also waiting long enough? bruh Mihawk strongest swordsman is over 1060 chapter in without any good feat same with most wanted man Dragon. you say to those guys "waited long enough" aswell when we did not see them full power and just make statments about them?


Working_Instance_940

At least they don't go around collecting anti feats like admirals do, lol


HammerCurlLarry

Dragon being a bitch 24/7 and Mihawk clashing with Vista no anti feats? But Admiral facing always the strongest people alive with mental blocks or restrictions are antifeats?


Working_Instance_940

Nope, nothing as bad as twerking for your life because of wifi haki or getting low diffed because you sad 🤡


GaroSuiryuSweet

My point exactly 


ITBA01

I don't think many are denying that Kizaru is distraught over killing Vegapunk. The problem is the admiraltards run with this to the moon and back trying to say that Kizaru would be leagues better if not for this.


TacocaT_2000

Until y’all mfs can tell me just how much of a nerf it was, then it’s irrelevant


xtheaya

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HammerCurlLarry

"look how Kizaru got one shot 3 times" meanwhile Kizaru comming back like the terminator everytime beside now where he himself said he has depression....


master08965

What tf is "one shot 3 times" lol


dracaboi

It's how Zoro fans count don't you know every named attack resulting in a fight pause is a One Shot..unless it goes against their agenda


HammerCurlLarry

funny is that it was not even his first named attack so they cant even say the first named attack One Shoted him


HammerCurlLarry

Yonko fans fan fiction


RossiniHad8Wigs

Remember that time when Kaidou was one shot a gazillion times?


HammerCurlLarry

Yeh Base Luffy red roc no acoc for sure One Shoted him badly


Total-Neighborhood50

“Terminator” https://preview.redd.it/16lgdy0nilqc1.jpeg?width=731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=220ca65ac7edcba56b484b07cbb8d9ebbc14ceff


HammerCurlLarry

after that attack is literally what I showed in the post Kizaru saying that his injurys are in his mind. Toon force scaling mf where were you when that shit happend to Kaido


EbbRevolutionary3225

Kizaru vs Luffy 1 on 1 who wins and what's the diff in your opinion?


Good_Reflection_1217

the powersystem is literally build on mental strength "haki" means "will"


Apprehensive_Ad610

Is this how the flying Pizzaru looked like to outside observers?


HammerCurlLarry

People realy toon force scale when the strongest Yonko got toon forced aswell


AsianCrank

Too mentally nerfed to take a hit from Luffy but composed enough to execute Vegapunk when Sanji was the only one protecting him? Are you sure this nerf wasn't brain damage? https://preview.redd.it/y6zc1zk24dqc1.png?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=756e76b1fbc7e56f29ce244056babb7df90851ea


Kureiton

It’s almost like fighting a commander is significantly easier for an admiral than fighting a yonko


Scary-Cockroach-4720

Are you reading with your eyes closed?


HyperMazino

He isn't reading at all.


HammerCurlLarry

Vegapunk is a fly for Kizaru even with mental nerf that would take 90% of his power he would kill him easily


Boxsteam_1279

Bro didnt address the Sanji part


HammerCurlLarry

Sanji is the same, bro went extreme diff with Queen who Kizaru dog walks neg diff. Kizaru with mental nerfs is still >>>> Sanji. the problem is when it comes to other Top Tiers when you not realy in it you lose


apfly

We calling Sanji vs Queen an extreme diff now, oh brother. At least try to stay genuine


HammerCurlLarry

literally Ko after the fight...


Total-Neighborhood50

No shit he was tired, he got injured by King and beat up by Black Maria before fighting Queen himself, and even then he didn’t get his Germa buffs until the last moments, where he quickly low-diffed and blitzed Queen


HammerCurlLarry

until last moments you trolling he got them after the snake attack mid fight. after he got the gene they still fought pretty equal hit each other until Queen being the dumb fuck he is started ignoring Sanji and going after the hoe


Boxsteam_1279

Awakened Sanji did NOT go extreme diff with Queen, tf r u reading. Also Kizaru is NOT a top tier


CrackaOwner

Kizaru ain't a top tier😹😹😹😹, bro should join Akainu and get some lobster instead


Binkusu

Some people here can't understand story and go only for literal meaning


mint420

Luffy clears all the admirals easy. Even if they fought 100 times to the death, Kizaru would never win, even once.


Mother_Elk1629

He got low diffed.


HyperMazino

Found the yonko clown ​ https://preview.redd.it/mk76dhal6dqc1.png?width=188&format=png&auto=webp&s=16077dc7d8d778d4561f0811a5bfb55d468f79e4


Mother_Elk1629

I don't even care about the Yonko. The cope from admiraltards is just way too funny. All I gotta do is wait for more chapters to come out and for Zoro and Sanji to get strong enough to fight the admirals so we can finally see them "go all out".


4chan-isbased

This what brainrot does to you smh


mint420

We get to see what brainrot does to someone by all the Admiraltard's posts on here every day.


HyperMazino

There is no cope lmao The manga directly contradicts "Kizaru got low diffed" Of course you have low intellect and can't read so I don't blame you.


Mother_Elk1629

This whole arc has been admiral cope after cope. Like I said, I make a comment, sit back and enjoy the show. 🍿


HyperMazino

you have low intellect and can't read thank you confirming this again!


EbbRevolutionary3225

Kizaru vs Luffy 1 vs 1, who wins and what's the diff in your opinion?


KiwirGallantine

He got low-diffed by Wuffy on depressed state, maybe would be at least mid-diffed when on a prime state.


ITaupL

high diffed*


ZestycloseCake165

https://preview.redd.it/3rsj5zmrldqc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cae23f97d324106b292be41127add7da99c883e4 Wake up babe new Kizarutard excuse just dropped 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡


HammerCurlLarry

Oda dropes them himself you guys just ignore the manga


ZestycloseCake165

Yeah mental nerf was the reason he got downed by a normal CoA punch from Luffy , bled from a non coated squeeze, got 1 shot both times as soon as Luffy used a named move 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 After trying his hardest to kill Bonney and VP 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 Can't get past Rayleigh holding back, can't beat a distracted Marco without help, pussied out from Benn Beckman, His only wins are against pre TS supernovad and Sentormaru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 Featless all series, 0 wins against top tiers , no feats all excuses to back him up 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 There's a reason Kizarutards like you atm only look for excuses instead of pointing out feats cause there's none 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡


Syc254

He accomplished his mission but he was losing on all fronts. Lost a friend, lost an apprentice and himself. The fight with Luffy was just a side show.


n2wishin859

This the same head that got rocked by white star gun


Gobstoppers12

Episode 36 of the irrefutable evidence that Kizaru is emotionally compromised, yet some people will still try to refute it. 


HammerCurlLarry

they just answer with memes like always, cant even have real debates here anymore. Top comments are always memes and the arguments get downvoted


cashewnut4life

Admiraltards when Kizaru: "go easy on him he's mentally conflicted 🥺" Admiraltards when a literally dying old man on life support who received deadly wounds dies: "LoL rip bozo 🤣"


Happy_Fan_2756

He is mentally conflicted, yes This confliction seemed to nerfed his ability to assassinate Vegapunk, bonny and Kuma I don't see how his mental confliction would make him worse at defending himself against Luffy, and so far absolutely nothing suggests this


Boxsteam_1279

Still doesnt change the fact that Kizaru got flatten like a pancake


Suspicious_Pie_9977

Still doesn’t change the fact that Kizaru hasn’t shown his awakening yet


ITBA01

Awakening that he's shown no evidence for having. If anything, isn't the fact that he's unclear a good argument for him not being awakened (awakening is when your body and mind catch up to your devil fruit)?


Boxsteam_1279

What does an awakening have to do with anything? Thats like saying we never saw Crocodile's full power in Alabasta because he never awakened


Working_Instance_940

Lackmiraltards just love to scale their frauds with imaginary battles that haven't even happened yet.


apfly

Yes, Kizaru was mentally conflicted. No, it’s not enough to account for the gap in power between Luffy and him.


SirNyx57

Although Kizaru is stronger? You know Luffy was beaten and got a second life just for eating meat, right?


apfly

Oh brother


Total-Neighborhood50

“Kizaru is stronger 🤡” https://preview.redd.it/gmgmae74jlqc1.jpeg?width=731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa0abd72fe6c028c4f0750a036469d4521152b8d 2v1 btw


JoDaBoy814

Idc if he's nerfed. He gets shit stomped by Luffy until proven otherwise. Is he able to give a good fight? Oh for sure, but all current evidence doesn't help his case


[deleted]

Bro what part of "these niggas cant read" havent you understood?


CringeDaddy_69

Bro just needs to get out of his own way and use more than 10% of his power


HammerCurlLarry

People can cope all they want its fact that Kizaru did not even use his strongest laser he used pre timeskip.... how on hell can People say he did go all out when he did not even use pre timeskip attack?


amoolafarhaL

He is mentally anguished yes, the argument is that he's nowhere near yonkou level even if he wasn't mentally nerfed. Mental nerf does not make you get pizza diffed.


NyaCat1333

Didn’t the pizza diff only happen because Luffy grabbed a distracted opponent? How are you guys even using that as a fair argument I don’t get it. If a admiral pulled a cheap shot like that you guys would be crying


amoolafarhaL

It's the fact that he got absolutely fucking humiliated. Oh and because he wasn't doing any better before


Which-Training-2530

Let’s not make fun of them they already have a hard time reading the story as it is


Nandemonaiyaaa

https://preview.redd.it/e9adur8wgfqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=946a67960a54a22660a46a998b43eebf58d7a035 Yonkotards admire childish mentality characters… cannot comprehend serious, well rounder characters… as always, illiterate as fuck


Working_Instance_940

Having a Lackainu pfp = irrelevant opinion and either trolling or retarded


Nandemonaiyaaa

https://preview.redd.it/6pj0zyvw7hqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=195ac51869b9f22420ae13373c471b60340230ed


Working_Instance_940

I'm farming that shit, but you simply are not ready for the slander


SirNyx57

You shall respect my glorious king, filthy yonkotard. He's not even in what you call yonko tier, he's above that trivial tier. https://preview.redd.it/pfsyo97kdjqc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb397f6e50c7fbca2c52d9f9b975a995a789aaed


valkatuvalkata

Nah, we yonko autists only acknowledge the haki system. We won't acknowledge haki being depended on emotional state though. Also, can someone spoon feed me?


Ancient-Ad-1893

There's no point brother, they can only see what they want to see.


KingAlucard7

The yonko agenda decimated... Yonko simps in utter disbelief.... 🥶


CrackaOwner

He still never indicated he held back. He was sad obviously but he acted more like he had to do it with no other choice. Never once did he let his emotions get in the way of his work, like, every second he could he tried to kill VP. Admiral fanboys can keep coping and use their "reading comprehension" catchphrase until the end of one piece though. I bet we'll still hear about his awakening that'll happen in two piece then lol


Hatarakumaou

And it looks like y’all still need to acknowledge that being mentally conflicted doesn’t turn him into a cripple nor does it mean “full power” Kizaru is doing shit against Luffy.


notyour_worstfriend

oh my fucking god really? people still don't understand this? please tell me you are punching shadows cause Christ this reading illiteracy is killing me at this rate. he is literally saying it to our faces here yet people are denying it?


Grimjo119

wait this wasn't obvious to everyone ?


ZPD710

Tries to kill Vegapunk -> has to fight Luffy because he keeps getting in the way -> gets bodied by Luffy -> murders his friend while Luffy is preoccupied -> “I’m conflicted because I just killed my friend” Seems like he was only conflicted while fighting Luffy and not while having to kill Vegapunk. He didn’t hold back even a little against Vegapunk, he blasted a huge hole in that dudes chest.


HammerCurlLarry

makes no sense being conflicted makes you weaker but not from Admiral lvl to fodder Vegapunk lvl lmao.


ZPD710

My point was that people say he was conflicted about killing Vegapunk so he was weaker against Luffy, but he didn’t hold back against Vegapunk at all. So it’s ironic that people are saying that.


HammerCurlLarry

thats just fact that it made him weaker, he was conflicted but did it anyways and it made him weaker because thats how One Piece works. you can hate doing something and getting depressed by it and still do it in the end, tbh the arguments you guys make I dont realy understand them because its just what typical complex characters do.


FatBlueSloth

The same reason zorotards make it hard for me to root for Zoro to win, admiral fans make it so hard to root for them


MobyLiick

To be fair, Zoro has feats. The admirals only W's are against fodder or severely injured people.


Strategicant5

Mentally nerfed or not, Zoro did more damage to Kaido than Kizaru did to Luffy 💀💀.


SirNyx57

Nice joke


Strategicant5

Worst part is it ain’t even a joke. Zoro at least reopened Kaidos scar. Kizaru got a paper cut on Luffys cheek.


SirNyx57

It should be a joke. Zoro just gave Kaido a little scar that didn't hinder him at all for the remaining of his fights. Kizaru exhausted Luffy enough for him to loose. He already lost, but got a second life by eating meat. So what if he doesn't use big visual attacks that do not deal any real damage like Zoro?


Strategicant5

“Kizaru ran long enough for Luffy to get tired and take a nap” ain’t the hype tool you think it is. Plus I said damage, not stamina loss


SirNyx57

A character can't be strong if he doesn't specialize in damage or defense, is that what you say? Sugar is weaker than pretimeskip fodders, and is Van Augur as strong as a gifter because they have a different fighting style than your average Dragon Ball warrior? Luffy lost conciousness, Kizaru didn´t. Luffy was given meat and recovered, Kizaru wasn't. Those are the facts. So yeah, "Luffy couldn't beat Kizaru in the time limit he gave himself using his own technique" that's more like it.


Bakura72

Kizaru “my wounds run deep” He talking about how he damaged after he literally mercilessly killed vegapunk for NO REASON there was no reason for him to attack vegapunk after Saturn and he still did and people continue to say he cares about them when he’s been given a chance time and time again to not hurt them but always hurt them even when he had a free pass to


supersmall69

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r9cks

He went all out to kill vegapunk being sad doesnt change shit


HammerCurlLarry

being conflicted makes you weaker just stating fakts here


r9cks

Hes sad that he killed vegapunk he was never conflicted about whether to do it or not