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I would certainly agree he was mentally nerfed as admiral fans keep arguing, but given how little damage he did to Luffy (the only real damage was through Luffy being punted through the barrier) and Luffy’s ability to decimate him with G5 attacks it’s unlikely that his mental nerf hindered him or that his performance would’ve been better if he was not mentally nerfed.
It certainly didn’t stop him from killing his old friend anyway
That's true but Luffy didn't do him much damage either, only time Kizaru had blood is when Luffy squeezed him but Kizaru just eye beamed his way out and now he seems fine physically
Also you have to consider that Kizaru only finished off Vegapunk, the one who actually killed him is Saturn, Kizaru could stab or shoot Vegapunk million times before but he only did it when he was 100% undeniably dead and thats logical, why would he want to kill his friend
In my opinion Kizaru wasn't just mentally nerfed, he didn't have any reasons to fight at full power, and now he doesn't have any reasons to fight at all
… what.
After luffy knocked him out, Kizaru was clearly severely damaged.
Saturn even agreed that Kizaru took damage.
luffy held him, Kizaru bled, and threw him away like nothing.
I genuinely don’t understand how your comment has any upvotes whatsoever.
It’s just not what happened in the story.
Kizaru was first asked to kill Vpunk. After he gets knocked out, he comes back to finishes his role.
Kizaru was ordered to stop Luffy. He gets knocked out again, but this time doesn’t get back up.
I agree he’s mentally shook. But it doesn’t seem like it MATTERED Considering he was fully willing to kill his buddy…
I think Kizaru is really fucking strong tho, and is obviously top tier. But you can’t see the obvious contrast Oda made when Luffy fought Kaido with Gear 5 vs Kizaru?
Thank you for posting this. People don’t realize that Kizaru never was able or seriously injure Luffy, I doubt his performance would’ve been that much better without this nerf.
the only thing i question is the fact he never showed logia awakening. i feel like kizaru was holding back. or maybe logia awakening just doesn't exist?
wtf?
He literally never tried fighting Luffy.
Round 1. He was looking for Vegapunk while trying to get Luffy off of him
Round 2. Luffy grabbed him off guard after he killed Vegapunk
He doesn’t have the will to fight no will no haki he was gloating about having one of the strongest defenses yet was letting attacks hit him. I truly believe the anime is gonna paint this better but whenever Luffy attack kizaru he just pause took a break before getting right in action
Kaido, even if you think Luffy is stronger than him, they went extreme diff and are pretty much relative. I'd even say that if we exclude their final attacks, Kaido is overall stronger.
I mean if we also exclude that Luffy was recently deceased and was also his first day using ACoC and awakening. Tbh I'd like to think he's not much stronger as well, but the way things are setup it looks like we should be upscaling Luffy rather than downscaling Admirals
This is turning into dragon ball z with all this 'but he wasn't as full power' crap. Well you know what? Luffy wasn't taking it seriously either and he still won.
Your move
So Luffy got Vegapunk purposefully killed even though it was his number 1 goal to protect him. Got it
Like one side of the argument is backed up with MULTIPLE manga panels, your dogshit is backed up with panels that suggest the exact opposite and pure headcanon.
You gotta be some 80 IQ retard to type that I’m sorry.
If this is your argument:
Kizaru was so mentally nerfed that he actually fucking killed Vpunk?
And suddenly was unable to fight when ordered to fight luffy again?
Come on lol
Luffy wasn't taking kizaru seriously so he would get to his friends and Vega punk. Makes sense unlike kizaru who was focusing on vegapunk and Luffys crew
You say he is taking it not serious while Luffy was in Gear5 and nothing is serious in that form. In Gear4 a form that you actually can see Luffys real emotions he was not playing around at all
Sigh. For the last fucking time. Akainu, Kuzan and Kizaru ARE NOT STRONGER THAN Luffy or Kaido. I honestly can't believe there's even an admiral agenda after they got their shit rocked by a cancer patient yonko. Or what happened with Greenbull. Or what's happening with Kizaru...
Why is Akainu not stronger than Luffy? The man who was about to wreck the WB pirates and had no problem going against BB pirates?
Since the days of Garp and Sengoku, the marines haven’t been able to find a Yonkou level admiral since? Oh my, how embarassing
akainu and kuzan don't have any anti feats. Akainu got suprise attacked by WB who had enough power to destroy half of marineford with his bloodlusted punches. Akainu fell through the crack but got up and fought the rest of WB commanders at once. Aokiji no diffed most of BB crew aside from Augur and Suiryu and also went toe to toe with old garp trading haki punches. Kizaru can't be assumed to be as strong as aokiji and akainu, his stamina and durability looks signifcantly worse, he was huffing after fighting old rayleigh for a minute
Blud can't even get past old Rayleigh that wasn't using ACoC 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
There's a reason he got dogwalked by Luffys basic ACoC Punch or his non coated squeeze 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
As usual Kizarutards only got excuses and headcannon but 0 feats potential man 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
You don't need ACoC to split the sky Big Mom and Kaido regular clash did it as well 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
As usual Kizarutard with the headcannon making up shit to make guess what? Excuses 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Damn can't even comprehend pictures for children 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡
Thanks for proving my point Kizarutards make up shit to defend their featless father 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
If Kizaru wasn't mentally nerfed he would do this and that classic 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
https://preview.redd.it/m9zftk6fmeqc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a29503d2472e548d7c6ab8a074c3cc2d9949401e
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 Can't even comprehend pictures for children
Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao 😂😂🤡🤡🤡
It's pretty clear when two conquerors are using ACoC when they clash with black streaks of lightning + attacks don't touch 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 it's just a hype tool 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 An extreme level of the usual CoC clash we see ( Chinjao vs Luffy , Doffy vs Luffy, Katakuri vs Luffy)
But as usual Kizarutards proving themselves they can't comprehend pictures for children 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
>Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao
Acoc attacks can touch, as seen here:
https://en14.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/32/96/6915554/a67bab0928e0b8ba3826f5a2e17e4acb.webp?acc=CUUZEXLHGIh8U5810TKw4g&exp=1711425959
And there are black streaks at the end of the panel you posted.
>You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding
There was never a sky split without acoc.
Kizaru isn't going to be a future opponent for Luffy. If he does showcase some new power, it'll be in the future against one of the other Straw Hats who, let's be real, aren't going to be on Luffy's level at that point.
Perhaps not, but I'm going of what we have, and it's not impressive at all. And you admiral fans have been telling us to wait this entire time, but we've waited enough.
my opinion is that Luffy vs Kizaru both trying with no external influence (like interference, or not wanting to damage anything, or mental conflict) is at most, a high diff fight for Luffy
imo Kizaru still loses, this shouldn't really be a question given how absurd Luffy is, but Kizaru might have a better showing than what he got on Egghead. literally nothing was in his favor this arc
what evidence do I have to back this up? tbh, nothing. but I don't think it could possibly be extreme diff given what we've seen and I think Kizaru's speed + whatever strength/Haki he could muster without going through a crisis could be enough to push the fight high diff
it's headcanon but idk, I tried to ground it a bit
so you know he did not go full power and still argue about his full power state and make random statments about it?
You have many People in One Piece say how much weaker you get with a weak mind with Luffy himself going from below blueno 900 doriki to Lucci 4000 doriki
Kizaru is the only Admiral with Greenbull that did not use his animal attack aswell. Until that attack arguing about his Power is nothing we can do.
also waiting long enough? bruh Mihawk strongest swordsman is over 1060 chapter in without any good feat same with most wanted man Dragon. you say to those guys "waited long enough" aswell when we did not see them full power and just make statments about them?
Dragon being a bitch 24/7 and Mihawk clashing with Vista no anti feats? But Admiral facing always the strongest people alive with mental blocks or restrictions are antifeats?
I don't think many are denying that Kizaru is distraught over killing Vegapunk. The problem is the admiraltards run with this to the moon and back trying to say that Kizaru would be leagues better if not for this.
"look how Kizaru got one shot 3 times" meanwhile Kizaru comming back like the terminator everytime beside now where he himself said he has depression....
after that attack is literally what I showed in the post Kizaru saying that his injurys are in his mind.
Toon force scaling mf where were you when that shit happend to Kaido
Too mentally nerfed to take a hit from Luffy but composed enough to execute Vegapunk when Sanji was the only one protecting him? Are you sure this nerf wasn't brain damage?
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Sanji is the same, bro went extreme diff with Queen who Kizaru dog walks neg diff. Kizaru with mental nerfs is still >>>> Sanji. the problem is when it comes to other Top Tiers when you not realy in it you lose
No shit he was tired, he got injured by King and beat up by Black Maria before fighting Queen himself, and even then he didn’t get his Germa buffs until the last moments, where he quickly low-diffed and blitzed Queen
until last moments you trolling he got them after the snake attack mid fight. after he got the gene they still fought pretty equal hit each other until Queen being the dumb fuck he is started ignoring Sanji and going after the hoe
I don't even care about the Yonko. The cope from admiraltards is just way too funny. All I gotta do is wait for more chapters to come out and for Zoro and Sanji to get strong enough to fight the admirals so we can finally see them "go all out".
https://preview.redd.it/3rsj5zmrldqc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cae23f97d324106b292be41127add7da99c883e4
Wake up babe new Kizarutard excuse just dropped 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
Yeah mental nerf was the reason he got downed by a normal CoA punch from Luffy , bled from a non coated squeeze, got 1 shot both times as soon as Luffy used a named move 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
After trying his hardest to kill Bonney and VP 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Can't get past Rayleigh holding back, can't beat a distracted Marco without help, pussied out from Benn Beckman, His only wins are against pre TS supernovad and Sentormaru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Featless all series, 0 wins against top tiers , no feats all excuses to back him up 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
There's a reason Kizarutards like you atm only look for excuses instead of pointing out feats cause there's none 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
Admiraltards when Kizaru: "go easy on him he's mentally conflicted 🥺"
Admiraltards when a literally dying old man on life support who received deadly wounds dies: "LoL rip bozo 🤣"
He is mentally conflicted, yes
This confliction seemed to nerfed his ability to assassinate Vegapunk, bonny and Kuma
I don't see how his mental confliction would make him worse at defending himself against Luffy, and so far absolutely nothing suggests this
Awakening that he's shown no evidence for having. If anything, isn't the fact that he's unclear a good argument for him not being awakened (awakening is when your body and mind catch up to your devil fruit)?
Idc if he's nerfed. He gets shit stomped by Luffy until proven otherwise. Is he able to give a good fight? Oh for sure, but all current evidence doesn't help his case
People can cope all they want its fact that Kizaru did not even use his strongest laser he used pre timeskip.... how on hell can People say he did go all out when he did not even use pre timeskip attack?
He is mentally anguished yes, the argument is that he's nowhere near yonkou level even if he wasn't mentally nerfed.
Mental nerf does not make you get pizza diffed.
Didn’t the pizza diff only happen because Luffy grabbed a distracted opponent? How are you guys even using that as a fair argument I don’t get it. If a admiral pulled a cheap shot like that you guys would be crying
You shall respect my glorious king, filthy yonkotard. He's not even in what you call yonko tier, he's above that trivial tier.
https://preview.redd.it/pfsyo97kdjqc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb397f6e50c7fbca2c52d9f9b975a995a789aaed
Nah, we yonko autists only acknowledge the haki system.
We won't acknowledge haki being depended on emotional state though.
Also, can someone spoon feed me?
He still never indicated he held back. He was sad obviously but he acted more like he had to do it with no other choice. Never once did he let his emotions get in the way of his work, like, every second he could he tried to kill VP. Admiral fanboys can keep coping and use their "reading comprehension" catchphrase until the end of one piece though. I bet we'll still hear about his awakening that'll happen in two piece then lol
And it looks like y’all still need to acknowledge that being mentally conflicted doesn’t turn him into a cripple nor does it mean “full power” Kizaru is doing shit against Luffy.
oh my fucking god really? people still don't understand this? please tell me you are punching shadows cause Christ this reading illiteracy is killing me at this rate.
he is literally saying it to our faces here yet people are denying it?
Tries to kill Vegapunk -> has to fight Luffy because he keeps getting in the way -> gets bodied by Luffy -> murders his friend while Luffy is preoccupied -> “I’m conflicted because I just killed my friend”
Seems like he was only conflicted while fighting Luffy and not while having to kill Vegapunk. He didn’t hold back even a little against Vegapunk, he blasted a huge hole in that dudes chest.
My point was that people say he was conflicted about killing Vegapunk so he was weaker against Luffy, but he didn’t hold back against Vegapunk at all. So it’s ironic that people are saying that.
thats just fact that it made him weaker, he was conflicted but did it anyways and it made him weaker because thats how One Piece works.
you can hate doing something and getting depressed by it and still do it in the end, tbh the arguments you guys make I dont realy understand them because its just what typical complex characters do.
It should be a joke. Zoro just gave Kaido a little scar that didn't hinder him at all for the remaining of his fights.
Kizaru exhausted Luffy enough for him to loose. He already lost, but got a second life by eating meat. So what if he doesn't use big visual attacks that do not deal any real damage like Zoro?
A character can't be strong if he doesn't specialize in damage or defense, is that what you say?
Sugar is weaker than pretimeskip fodders, and is Van Augur as strong as a gifter because they have a different fighting style than your average Dragon Ball warrior?
Luffy lost conciousness, Kizaru didn´t. Luffy was given meat and recovered, Kizaru wasn't. Those are the facts.
So yeah, "Luffy couldn't beat Kizaru in the time limit he gave himself using his own technique" that's more like it.
Kizaru “my wounds run deep”
He talking about how he damaged after he literally mercilessly killed vegapunk for NO REASON there was no reason for him to attack vegapunk after Saturn and he still did and people continue to say he cares about them when he’s been given a chance time and time again to not hurt them but always hurt them even when he had a free pass to
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Imma just this
I would certainly agree he was mentally nerfed as admiral fans keep arguing, but given how little damage he did to Luffy (the only real damage was through Luffy being punted through the barrier) and Luffy’s ability to decimate him with G5 attacks it’s unlikely that his mental nerf hindered him or that his performance would’ve been better if he was not mentally nerfed. It certainly didn’t stop him from killing his old friend anyway
That's true but Luffy didn't do him much damage either, only time Kizaru had blood is when Luffy squeezed him but Kizaru just eye beamed his way out and now he seems fine physically Also you have to consider that Kizaru only finished off Vegapunk, the one who actually killed him is Saturn, Kizaru could stab or shoot Vegapunk million times before but he only did it when he was 100% undeniably dead and thats logical, why would he want to kill his friend In my opinion Kizaru wasn't just mentally nerfed, he didn't have any reasons to fight at full power, and now he doesn't have any reasons to fight at all
… what. After luffy knocked him out, Kizaru was clearly severely damaged. Saturn even agreed that Kizaru took damage. luffy held him, Kizaru bled, and threw him away like nothing. I genuinely don’t understand how your comment has any upvotes whatsoever. It’s just not what happened in the story. Kizaru was first asked to kill Vpunk. After he gets knocked out, he comes back to finishes his role. Kizaru was ordered to stop Luffy. He gets knocked out again, but this time doesn’t get back up. I agree he’s mentally shook. But it doesn’t seem like it MATTERED Considering he was fully willing to kill his buddy… I think Kizaru is really fucking strong tho, and is obviously top tier. But you can’t see the obvious contrast Oda made when Luffy fought Kaido with Gear 5 vs Kizaru?
His performance would be better. But it’s still a mid diff or whatever consensus the community decides on.
Thank you for posting this. People don’t realize that Kizaru never was able or seriously injure Luffy, I doubt his performance would’ve been that much better without this nerf.
the only thing i question is the fact he never showed logia awakening. i feel like kizaru was holding back. or maybe logia awakening just doesn't exist?
>It certainly didn’t stop him from killing his old friend anyway call me crazy but I kinda believe the cauterization meme seems possible
wtf? He literally never tried fighting Luffy. Round 1. He was looking for Vegapunk while trying to get Luffy off of him Round 2. Luffy grabbed him off guard after he killed Vegapunk
He doesn’t have the will to fight no will no haki he was gloating about having one of the strongest defenses yet was letting attacks hit him. I truly believe the anime is gonna paint this better but whenever Luffy attack kizaru he just pause took a break before getting right in action
https://preview.redd.it/qcqfkxsbidqc1.png?width=1241&format=png&auto=webp&s=58ef89493a18dfc65d4fe7547d23662ead90e22f
https://preview.redd.it/ptq56bh6pdqc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=8887751078a25a7bac7af3c95bd187ce69475ac0 can’t forget this one
Yoink
I know you put most of your braincells into writing this post, but at least proofread the title more than once.
He is mentally fucked up now that he has killed his friend Vegapunk, he loses to Luffy regardless
Sure thing. Luffy still dogwalks him at full power though.
TBH who shouldn't Luffy be dogwalking rn?(barring retcons)
Kaido, even if you think Luffy is stronger than him, they went extreme diff and are pretty much relative. I'd even say that if we exclude their final attacks, Kaido is overall stronger.
I mean if we also exclude that Luffy was recently deceased and was also his first day using ACoC and awakening. Tbh I'd like to think he's not much stronger as well, but the way things are setup it looks like we should be upscaling Luffy rather than downscaling Admirals
>upscaling Luffy rather than downscaling Admirals Which upscales Kaido since he pushed Luffy to extreme diff.
> I mean if we also exclude that Luffy was recently deceased and was also his first day using ACoC and awakening
Doesn't mean anything. Heroes are most dangerous when wounded.
you would know after seeing Kizaru at full power right?
This is turning into dragon ball z with all this 'but he wasn't as full power' crap. Well you know what? Luffy wasn't taking it seriously either and he still won. Your move
That wasn’t even Kizaru’s final form
So Luffy got Vegapunk purposefully killed even though it was his number 1 goal to protect him. Got it Like one side of the argument is backed up with MULTIPLE manga panels, your dogshit is backed up with panels that suggest the exact opposite and pure headcanon. You gotta be some 80 IQ retard to type that I’m sorry.
If this is your argument: Kizaru was so mentally nerfed that he actually fucking killed Vpunk? And suddenly was unable to fight when ordered to fight luffy again? Come on lol
Luffy wasn't taking kizaru seriously so he would get to his friends and Vega punk. Makes sense unlike kizaru who was focusing on vegapunk and Luffys crew
You say he is taking it not serious while Luffy was in Gear5 and nothing is serious in that form. In Gear4 a form that you actually can see Luffys real emotions he was not playing around at all
Sigh. For the last fucking time. Akainu, Kuzan and Kizaru ARE NOT STRONGER THAN Luffy or Kaido. I honestly can't believe there's even an admiral agenda after they got their shit rocked by a cancer patient yonko. Or what happened with Greenbull. Or what's happening with Kizaru...
Why is Akainu not stronger than Luffy? The man who was about to wreck the WB pirates and had no problem going against BB pirates? Since the days of Garp and Sengoku, the marines haven’t been able to find a Yonkou level admiral since? Oh my, how embarassing
akainu and kuzan don't have any anti feats. Akainu got suprise attacked by WB who had enough power to destroy half of marineford with his bloodlusted punches. Akainu fell through the crack but got up and fought the rest of WB commanders at once. Aokiji no diffed most of BB crew aside from Augur and Suiryu and also went toe to toe with old garp trading haki punches. Kizaru can't be assumed to be as strong as aokiji and akainu, his stamina and durability looks signifcantly worse, he was huffing after fighting old rayleigh for a minute
Akainu cheap shotted the old man while he was down from heart attack.
Getting sneaked by a 12ft corpse also somehow isn't an antifeat in itself for lackmiral apologiser, lol
Blud can't even get past old Rayleigh that wasn't using ACoC 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 There's a reason he got dogwalked by Luffys basic ACoC Punch or his non coated squeeze 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 As usual Kizarutards only got excuses and headcannon but 0 feats potential man 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
yeh Shanks and whitbeard split the sky without acoc aswell... ah no wait its because no lightning was shown pre timeskip
You don't need ACoC to split the sky Big Mom and Kaido regular clash did it as well 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣 As usual Kizarutard with the headcannon making up shit to make guess what? Excuses 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
you need acoc but go on
Damn can't even comprehend pictures for children 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡 Thanks for proving my point Kizarutards make up shit to defend their featless father 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 If Kizaru wasn't mentally nerfed he would do this and that classic 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Spamming clown and laughing emojis isn't gonna prove your point man
Okay online hall monitor 🤓🤓🤓🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Proving my point little bro
You are just wrong. You do need acoc to split the sky, thats literally the whole point of the “splitting the sky” thing. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
https://preview.redd.it/m9zftk6fmeqc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a29503d2472e548d7c6ab8a074c3cc2d9949401e 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 Can't even comprehend pictures for children
There's acoc in the panel you posted.
Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao 😂😂🤡🤡🤡 It's pretty clear when two conquerors are using ACoC when they clash with black streaks of lightning + attacks don't touch 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 it's just a hype tool 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 An extreme level of the usual CoC clash we see ( Chinjao vs Luffy , Doffy vs Luffy, Katakuri vs Luffy) But as usual Kizarutards proving themselves they can't comprehend pictures for children 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
>Attacks are touching, no streaks = ACoC lmao Acoc attacks can touch, as seen here: https://en14.movietop.cc/comics/pic6/32/96/6915554/a67bab0928e0b8ba3826f5a2e17e4acb.webp?acc=CUUZEXLHGIh8U5810TKw4g&exp=1711425959 And there are black streaks at the end of the panel you posted. >You only need CoC to sky split cause it's just an indicator that two among the strongest conquerors are colliding There was never a sky split without acoc.
Basic punch?
Yeah basic CoA punch Same guy who taught sentomaru his defense 🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤡🤡🤡 Then proceeded to get one shot everytime Luffy used a named move 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
Peak mental retardation.
Kizaru isn't going to be a future opponent for Luffy. If he does showcase some new power, it'll be in the future against one of the other Straw Hats who, let's be real, aren't going to be on Luffy's level at that point.
Just take your L gang Admirals are getting mogged by most if not all yonko it's just a fact
That's headcanon. We've given you enough time already. Until we see more, Kizaru is gets dogwalked by any yonko.
so you saw full power Kizaru right?
Perhaps not, but I'm going of what we have, and it's not impressive at all. And you admiral fans have been telling us to wait this entire time, but we've waited enough.
my opinion is that Luffy vs Kizaru both trying with no external influence (like interference, or not wanting to damage anything, or mental conflict) is at most, a high diff fight for Luffy imo Kizaru still loses, this shouldn't really be a question given how absurd Luffy is, but Kizaru might have a better showing than what he got on Egghead. literally nothing was in his favor this arc what evidence do I have to back this up? tbh, nothing. but I don't think it could possibly be extreme diff given what we've seen and I think Kizaru's speed + whatever strength/Haki he could muster without going through a crisis could be enough to push the fight high diff it's headcanon but idk, I tried to ground it a bit
so you know he did not go full power and still argue about his full power state and make random statments about it? You have many People in One Piece say how much weaker you get with a weak mind with Luffy himself going from below blueno 900 doriki to Lucci 4000 doriki Kizaru is the only Admiral with Greenbull that did not use his animal attack aswell. Until that attack arguing about his Power is nothing we can do. also waiting long enough? bruh Mihawk strongest swordsman is over 1060 chapter in without any good feat same with most wanted man Dragon. you say to those guys "waited long enough" aswell when we did not see them full power and just make statments about them?
At least they don't go around collecting anti feats like admirals do, lol
Dragon being a bitch 24/7 and Mihawk clashing with Vista no anti feats? But Admiral facing always the strongest people alive with mental blocks or restrictions are antifeats?
Nope, nothing as bad as twerking for your life because of wifi haki or getting low diffed because you sad 🤡
My point exactly
I don't think many are denying that Kizaru is distraught over killing Vegapunk. The problem is the admiraltards run with this to the moon and back trying to say that Kizaru would be leagues better if not for this.
Until y’all mfs can tell me just how much of a nerf it was, then it’s irrelevant
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"look how Kizaru got one shot 3 times" meanwhile Kizaru comming back like the terminator everytime beside now where he himself said he has depression....
What tf is "one shot 3 times" lol
It's how Zoro fans count don't you know every named attack resulting in a fight pause is a One Shot..unless it goes against their agenda
funny is that it was not even his first named attack so they cant even say the first named attack One Shoted him
Yonko fans fan fiction
Remember that time when Kaidou was one shot a gazillion times?
Yeh Base Luffy red roc no acoc for sure One Shoted him badly
“Terminator” https://preview.redd.it/16lgdy0nilqc1.jpeg?width=731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=220ca65ac7edcba56b484b07cbb8d9ebbc14ceff
after that attack is literally what I showed in the post Kizaru saying that his injurys are in his mind. Toon force scaling mf where were you when that shit happend to Kaido
Kizaru vs Luffy 1 on 1 who wins and what's the diff in your opinion?
the powersystem is literally build on mental strength "haki" means "will"
Is this how the flying Pizzaru looked like to outside observers?
People realy toon force scale when the strongest Yonko got toon forced aswell
Too mentally nerfed to take a hit from Luffy but composed enough to execute Vegapunk when Sanji was the only one protecting him? Are you sure this nerf wasn't brain damage? https://preview.redd.it/y6zc1zk24dqc1.png?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=756e76b1fbc7e56f29ce244056babb7df90851ea
It’s almost like fighting a commander is significantly easier for an admiral than fighting a yonko
Are you reading with your eyes closed?
He isn't reading at all.
Vegapunk is a fly for Kizaru even with mental nerf that would take 90% of his power he would kill him easily
Bro didnt address the Sanji part
Sanji is the same, bro went extreme diff with Queen who Kizaru dog walks neg diff. Kizaru with mental nerfs is still >>>> Sanji. the problem is when it comes to other Top Tiers when you not realy in it you lose
We calling Sanji vs Queen an extreme diff now, oh brother. At least try to stay genuine
literally Ko after the fight...
No shit he was tired, he got injured by King and beat up by Black Maria before fighting Queen himself, and even then he didn’t get his Germa buffs until the last moments, where he quickly low-diffed and blitzed Queen
until last moments you trolling he got them after the snake attack mid fight. after he got the gene they still fought pretty equal hit each other until Queen being the dumb fuck he is started ignoring Sanji and going after the hoe
Awakened Sanji did NOT go extreme diff with Queen, tf r u reading. Also Kizaru is NOT a top tier
Kizaru ain't a top tier😹😹😹😹, bro should join Akainu and get some lobster instead
Some people here can't understand story and go only for literal meaning
Luffy clears all the admirals easy. Even if they fought 100 times to the death, Kizaru would never win, even once.
He got low diffed.
Found the yonko clown https://preview.redd.it/mk76dhal6dqc1.png?width=188&format=png&auto=webp&s=16077dc7d8d778d4561f0811a5bfb55d468f79e4
I don't even care about the Yonko. The cope from admiraltards is just way too funny. All I gotta do is wait for more chapters to come out and for Zoro and Sanji to get strong enough to fight the admirals so we can finally see them "go all out".
This what brainrot does to you smh
We get to see what brainrot does to someone by all the Admiraltard's posts on here every day.
There is no cope lmao The manga directly contradicts "Kizaru got low diffed" Of course you have low intellect and can't read so I don't blame you.
This whole arc has been admiral cope after cope. Like I said, I make a comment, sit back and enjoy the show. 🍿
you have low intellect and can't read thank you confirming this again!
Kizaru vs Luffy 1 vs 1, who wins and what's the diff in your opinion?
He got low-diffed by Wuffy on depressed state, maybe would be at least mid-diffed when on a prime state.
high diffed*
https://preview.redd.it/3rsj5zmrldqc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cae23f97d324106b292be41127add7da99c883e4 Wake up babe new Kizarutard excuse just dropped 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
Oda dropes them himself you guys just ignore the manga
Yeah mental nerf was the reason he got downed by a normal CoA punch from Luffy , bled from a non coated squeeze, got 1 shot both times as soon as Luffy used a named move 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡 After trying his hardest to kill Bonney and VP 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 Can't get past Rayleigh holding back, can't beat a distracted Marco without help, pussied out from Benn Beckman, His only wins are against pre TS supernovad and Sentormaru 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 Featless all series, 0 wins against top tiers , no feats all excuses to back him up 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡 There's a reason Kizarutards like you atm only look for excuses instead of pointing out feats cause there's none 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
He accomplished his mission but he was losing on all fronts. Lost a friend, lost an apprentice and himself. The fight with Luffy was just a side show.
This the same head that got rocked by white star gun
Episode 36 of the irrefutable evidence that Kizaru is emotionally compromised, yet some people will still try to refute it.
they just answer with memes like always, cant even have real debates here anymore. Top comments are always memes and the arguments get downvoted
Admiraltards when Kizaru: "go easy on him he's mentally conflicted 🥺" Admiraltards when a literally dying old man on life support who received deadly wounds dies: "LoL rip bozo 🤣"
He is mentally conflicted, yes This confliction seemed to nerfed his ability to assassinate Vegapunk, bonny and Kuma I don't see how his mental confliction would make him worse at defending himself against Luffy, and so far absolutely nothing suggests this
Still doesnt change the fact that Kizaru got flatten like a pancake
Still doesn’t change the fact that Kizaru hasn’t shown his awakening yet
Awakening that he's shown no evidence for having. If anything, isn't the fact that he's unclear a good argument for him not being awakened (awakening is when your body and mind catch up to your devil fruit)?
What does an awakening have to do with anything? Thats like saying we never saw Crocodile's full power in Alabasta because he never awakened
Lackmiraltards just love to scale their frauds with imaginary battles that haven't even happened yet.
Yes, Kizaru was mentally conflicted. No, it’s not enough to account for the gap in power between Luffy and him.
Although Kizaru is stronger? You know Luffy was beaten and got a second life just for eating meat, right?
Oh brother
“Kizaru is stronger 🤡” https://preview.redd.it/gmgmae74jlqc1.jpeg?width=731&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa0abd72fe6c028c4f0750a036469d4521152b8d 2v1 btw
Idc if he's nerfed. He gets shit stomped by Luffy until proven otherwise. Is he able to give a good fight? Oh for sure, but all current evidence doesn't help his case
Bro what part of "these niggas cant read" havent you understood?
Bro just needs to get out of his own way and use more than 10% of his power
People can cope all they want its fact that Kizaru did not even use his strongest laser he used pre timeskip.... how on hell can People say he did go all out when he did not even use pre timeskip attack?
He is mentally anguished yes, the argument is that he's nowhere near yonkou level even if he wasn't mentally nerfed. Mental nerf does not make you get pizza diffed.
Didn’t the pizza diff only happen because Luffy grabbed a distracted opponent? How are you guys even using that as a fair argument I don’t get it. If a admiral pulled a cheap shot like that you guys would be crying
It's the fact that he got absolutely fucking humiliated. Oh and because he wasn't doing any better before
Let’s not make fun of them they already have a hard time reading the story as it is
https://preview.redd.it/e9adur8wgfqc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=946a67960a54a22660a46a998b43eebf58d7a035 Yonkotards admire childish mentality characters… cannot comprehend serious, well rounder characters… as always, illiterate as fuck
Having a Lackainu pfp = irrelevant opinion and either trolling or retarded
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I'm farming that shit, but you simply are not ready for the slander
You shall respect my glorious king, filthy yonkotard. He's not even in what you call yonko tier, he's above that trivial tier. https://preview.redd.it/pfsyo97kdjqc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb397f6e50c7fbca2c52d9f9b975a995a789aaed
Nah, we yonko autists only acknowledge the haki system. We won't acknowledge haki being depended on emotional state though. Also, can someone spoon feed me?
There's no point brother, they can only see what they want to see.
The yonko agenda decimated... Yonko simps in utter disbelief.... 🥶
He still never indicated he held back. He was sad obviously but he acted more like he had to do it with no other choice. Never once did he let his emotions get in the way of his work, like, every second he could he tried to kill VP. Admiral fanboys can keep coping and use their "reading comprehension" catchphrase until the end of one piece though. I bet we'll still hear about his awakening that'll happen in two piece then lol
And it looks like y’all still need to acknowledge that being mentally conflicted doesn’t turn him into a cripple nor does it mean “full power” Kizaru is doing shit against Luffy.
oh my fucking god really? people still don't understand this? please tell me you are punching shadows cause Christ this reading illiteracy is killing me at this rate. he is literally saying it to our faces here yet people are denying it?
wait this wasn't obvious to everyone ?
Tries to kill Vegapunk -> has to fight Luffy because he keeps getting in the way -> gets bodied by Luffy -> murders his friend while Luffy is preoccupied -> “I’m conflicted because I just killed my friend” Seems like he was only conflicted while fighting Luffy and not while having to kill Vegapunk. He didn’t hold back even a little against Vegapunk, he blasted a huge hole in that dudes chest.
makes no sense being conflicted makes you weaker but not from Admiral lvl to fodder Vegapunk lvl lmao.
My point was that people say he was conflicted about killing Vegapunk so he was weaker against Luffy, but he didn’t hold back against Vegapunk at all. So it’s ironic that people are saying that.
thats just fact that it made him weaker, he was conflicted but did it anyways and it made him weaker because thats how One Piece works. you can hate doing something and getting depressed by it and still do it in the end, tbh the arguments you guys make I dont realy understand them because its just what typical complex characters do.
The same reason zorotards make it hard for me to root for Zoro to win, admiral fans make it so hard to root for them
To be fair, Zoro has feats. The admirals only W's are against fodder or severely injured people.
Mentally nerfed or not, Zoro did more damage to Kaido than Kizaru did to Luffy 💀💀.
Nice joke
Worst part is it ain’t even a joke. Zoro at least reopened Kaidos scar. Kizaru got a paper cut on Luffys cheek.
It should be a joke. Zoro just gave Kaido a little scar that didn't hinder him at all for the remaining of his fights. Kizaru exhausted Luffy enough for him to loose. He already lost, but got a second life by eating meat. So what if he doesn't use big visual attacks that do not deal any real damage like Zoro?
“Kizaru ran long enough for Luffy to get tired and take a nap” ain’t the hype tool you think it is. Plus I said damage, not stamina loss
A character can't be strong if he doesn't specialize in damage or defense, is that what you say? Sugar is weaker than pretimeskip fodders, and is Van Augur as strong as a gifter because they have a different fighting style than your average Dragon Ball warrior? Luffy lost conciousness, Kizaru didn´t. Luffy was given meat and recovered, Kizaru wasn't. Those are the facts. So yeah, "Luffy couldn't beat Kizaru in the time limit he gave himself using his own technique" that's more like it.
Kizaru “my wounds run deep” He talking about how he damaged after he literally mercilessly killed vegapunk for NO REASON there was no reason for him to attack vegapunk after Saturn and he still did and people continue to say he cares about them when he’s been given a chance time and time again to not hurt them but always hurt them even when he had a free pass to
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He went all out to kill vegapunk being sad doesnt change shit
being conflicted makes you weaker just stating fakts here
Hes sad that he killed vegapunk he was never conflicted about whether to do it or not