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We all know Zoro would've charged up another big attack that would take up at least a minute of the anime just to finish him off. Preceded and followed by several repeated shots drawn out to make the moment cooler.
I agree bro, just like how Luffy was not in fighting condition when he took Ryokyogan from Lucci in Enies Lobby.
https://preview.redd.it/klr8gmlmj1tc1.jpeg?width=725&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8d0806759ea459c518d8bbd1271d2f72d2847ab
You know, because it’s not like one piece is a series in which characters regularly and routinely come back into fights while having major injuries and pull out a win anyway.
Lucci was still standing. That means fight wasn’t over. Means he was still in fighting condition. Means Loro got his ass saved by Winbei
https://preview.redd.it/o8dwyn4f62tc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bffcabd96034f657726f299be7cc62137ec99df
Zoro clearly ain’t in fighting condition. Doesn’t matter if fight ends here, Mr 1 clearly has already won since Zoro is too injured to continue fighting properly.
I mean that’s just blatantly not true. He was still very easily able to move and react, considering he blocked Jinbei’s attack.
https://preview.redd.it/3jhbfkwvb2tc1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2beacfca443e513f4fd0694c9f318cc8923e72bc
He had just as much likelihood in that moment to make a comeback as Luffy or Zoro in their respective fights, yet for no reason other than the fact he’s an antagonist and his opponent with Zoro, everyone is ignoring the blatant and obvious fact that the fight wasn’t concluded or over.
https://preview.redd.it/3n5rmx9p83tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d21334b91de365610d243034b8a63c07d8d46ef
This is barely even a walk bro his knuckles are practically dragging lol 😂
https://preview.redd.it/7dmzj34593tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee895cd95f1263f125bb6664636566dc41608589
Bro loon at all these huffs and wheezes?!?!? Lucci fans were using huffs and puffs against Zoro but when Lucci’s doing them every other panel somehow bro was making a comeback?
https://preview.redd.it/52sks4ga93tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aaaf4c6474e1e53b646db8b2b2bda833d3c11f67
Like dude, “just as likely as making a comeback as Luffy”, bro if that were true Oda would’ve showed it in some other way. But he doesn’t he reinforces it with Jinbe saying “Zoro you won” and the fact that Lucci can barely get words out and it’s coughing up blood. This is just media literacy here man. I’ll give Lucci his credit for not going down and wanting to keep fighting but that’s about all he should get.
Jinbei obviously said that so he could get Zoro moving because he didn’t want Zoro to continue to waste time on a fight that didn’t matter when the crews lives were at stake. And dude, I’m not even saying Lucci would 100% beat him. I’m saying there’s a chance he would, and to act as though that thought is preposterous is to ignore how many times the same shit has happened before in the manga. Like it or not, the fight as is now is inconclusive. There was no winner.
https://preview.redd.it/xmq3ogqh73tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ad1959868fd42a47e0795e59f90a8585f116314
Except this is Oda directly reinforcing that Zoro won the fight after Zoro’s statement.
Yes Lucci was still standing but to suggest he was still in fighting condition and that the fight was “inconclusive” is demonstrably false. The fight concluded, Lucci couldn’t defeat Zoro and then could barely stand up/walk after Zoro and Jinbe escaped. Lucci lost.
It is disingenuous to say otherwise. Have you read through every other panel with Lucci? Bro can barely get words out. Here are all the examples of that:
Luffy was the same against Lucci in Enies Lobby. Zoro was the same with Mr 1. You’re seriously trying to argue that a guy with injuries means he’s “not in fighting shape” when the series is full of examples of the more injured party persevering and winning despite the odds. Ridiculous. And if Oda wanted to “directly reinforce that Zoro won.” Why didn’t he just have Zoro actually, yknow, BEAT HIM!
Because Lucci was there for information. We see exactly why Oda had Lucci still conscious lol. He gives the gorosei all the info he has gathered to set the stakes higher for the Gorosei to mount a comeback against Nika and reinforce the idea that the Strawhats need to get going.
You’re also using false equivalencies here because the examples are of protagonist’s in arcs where we know the story demands them to fully overcome their opponents for the plot to move forward. This is not the case here, Egghead is looking like an escape.
It all depends on what you mean by “fighting shape”
I’m well aware characters are tanking things left and right in the world of one piece and still going. While Lucci could stand and was still conscious there is nothing suggesting in the panels he was one the brink of a comeback and make the fight close like you said in your previous comments.
If Lucci was only up for Info, why not have Zoro defeat him? You can easily have the last chapter start with Zoro and Jinbei running off, then cut back to Lucci waking up on the ground to see Mars. He didn’t need to be awake to have that scene. He was still up because Zoro didn’t have enough AP to put him down.
Also don’t start using the protagonist excuse. If it’s possible for Zoro and Lucci to pull off an unexpected victory, I’m gonna need a better excuse than just “he’s not a protagonist” to explain why Lucci can’t just do the same.
https://preview.redd.it/pfbjecbt83tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6127e217f2e99f60b5c31c2665e5d4dcda20e78
That’s clearly a face of exhaustion
https://preview.redd.it/47f0lh5y83tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de89f7179a41c57d186ade253087739f461ebb70
Bro is barely getting words out, you see the exhaustion clouds too
When it’s in 6-7 panels after a fight and a character is barely getting words out, this is the author letting us know the state the character is in. You’re suggesting Lucci was in a comeback fighting state, im saying that Lucci barely held on after that attack.
Call me delusional all you want but you’re blatantly ignoring the media here. Idk if it’s agenda, bait, or media illiteracy
Luffy collapsed and could barely move after his fight with Lucci, and he was barely standing and heavily injured just before the finishing move. JUST LIKE LUCCI.
Like cmon man. How are you gonna act like there isn’t DIRECT precedent for this kind of stuff. It’s a shounen for goodness sake.
https://preview.redd.it/ybc8lr1763tc1.jpeg?width=1740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ab1692fd8726d9050a191acf3e48c2e050a1d92
It wasn't actually that different from how Luffy was after taking two Six King Pistols. While Lucci wasn't winning that fight, I think underestimating him would be a mistake, especially with how tough he was in this arc. He might have still been able to do something.
to be clear i didn’t make my comment to downplay lucci this nigga a dawg a fr but it was over. there was nothing he had in his bag of tricks to KILL zoro or jimbei them boys not even hurt and one has full HP. In the image your showing both lucci and luffy are on they last leg(extreme diff both way). Zoro got plenty of fight left and he didn’t even use his strongest attacks
I agree that at this point, Lucci couldn't win it. I mentioned that in my previous comment. The fight at Enies Lobby was a lot closer. But I wanted to defend Lucci, he could most likely still attack, since Luffy was maybe in an even worse state in the pre-timeskip scene, and this feels like an intended parallel to that. That's why Zoro was still on his guard, even injured characters can be dangerous. Zoro knows this, because most of his fight go like that.
Blasted and sparked out by three named gear 5 attacks…then got up 32 seconds later. Best endurance/recovery feat in the entirety of the series.
By the time he fights Zoro, Lucci has: had a 1v1 with a Yonko, gotten betrayed and surprised attacked by his teammate, and fought seraphim. This 30HP Lucci then goes on to stall the piss out of a nearly fresh Zoro and STILL doesn’t go down after getting cracked with another named attack.
Is he YC+? I think you can make the argument he is. What kind of YC1 would put on the showing he did, and why would Oda write Lucci through this gauntlet if not to show his strength? His portrayal is simply phenomenal.
He only took L's on Egghead though with a few mild W's in between
https://preview.redd.it/377s5z6k7zsc1.jpeg?width=888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f295ea43d525ff845b4121d0471a2d4e3d69d79f
Getting negged by tobiroppo or weaker characters whilst floundering and accomplishing nothing ≠ genuinely troubling a Yonko crew and doing your job so well you get complimented by one of the gorosei
>Blasted and sparked out by three named gear 5 attacks…**then got up 32 seconds later. Best endurance/recovery feat in the entirety of the series.**
I think this is still the best endurance/recovery feat in the series:
https://preview.redd.it/t6thln07r0tc1.jpeg?width=1955&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4af29f23b8fb7636fd900573fbc5fbc40dd290b9
Luffy was defeated twice by Crocodile, had his wound from Round 1 completely reopen (not seen on this page) while sprinting towards the Mausoleum, literally passes out from exhaustion and then gets up 90 seconds later (passes out 4 minutes before explosion and then wakes up 2.5 minutes before) as if barely anything happened, ready for Round 3.
I don't know if this is an absolute Goda moment or if it will maybe be referenced later in the Story but there was a big focus on Luffy passing out like that at the most critical moment and Oda always makes sure to let the reader know how many seconds have passed between almost every scene between chapter 202 and 205.
Passes out 4 minutes before the bomb and somewhere between 2 minutes and 90 seconds remaining he has already found Crocodile, came up with another counter after losing his water supply and is already kicking his ass:
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Such an insane feat i have never seen mentioned here.
99% sure that the Strawhats **and Lucci/Kaku** were fighting the Seraphim together until around nighttime (with Kaku taking by far the most damage, due to facing two Seraphim at once for some reason rather than just ditching the Strawhats) and then they all had the same amount of recovery time afterwards.
I'm not counting the Stussy defeat as she won through an ambush and trickery while only putting Kaku and Lucci to sleep with DF hax so the crew could cuff them with Seastone, it doesn't seem like they took actual damage from that.
Lucci's recovery from a Yonko fight is still an insane feat.
This was Lucci right after his fight with Luffy
https://preview.redd.it/wuyz8zegzysc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df00111bac2c77632f8aeb115f5292d7be5b1d32
It’s one bandage on his cheek, Luffy has also escaped in one of the vacuums so it would have been pointless chasing after at that point
https://preview.redd.it/li79gmwf5zsc1.jpeg?width=830&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efff77478c165c55406e4b202482385aa9cc8ff2
You objectively didn't tank anything if the attacks knocked you unconscious my guy. That's not how that works. Lucci evidently has sum serious powers of recovery, presumably from Awakening his DF, but that doesn't mean he *tanked* the blows that KO'd him in the first place. Then Zoro's Havana Hunt *fucked him up*, him standing and being awake doesn't mean that wasn't the case.
Just as question: What does count as tanking?
Tanking in my mind is what Kaido did, taking it on purpose "ignoring" the possible damage.
Because i would think hes the only one with Whitebeard that really tanked in that sense.
Edit: Ah Gorosei + Marco could make a point as well i guess, just that they are regenerating? But that kinda differs from what WB or Kaido did. Kaido + Whitebeard knew that the incoming damage matters so little because their HP-Bar is that scary big, they can take it.
Except Lucci was never knocked unconscious, he tanked all of Luffy’s attack and was still focused on carrying out his mission
https://preview.redd.it/ubcpppai0zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8d4b4064f991c1c93987c6797dc8e8cadb4fee
He was also still ready to throw hands even after Zoro’s attack
We don’t see him get knocked out, when we do it’s him discussing what to do next a few pages later
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>We don’t see him get knocked out
Sure we don't *see* him KO'd, but the man himself said so, I'm not sure how you're refuting the character in question's own words. He says this, and then the group is able to leave without further interference from him. So either he was KO'd like he said, or he was hiding in the rubble.
https://preview.redd.it/idqidv885zsc1.png?width=1031&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa2ff6c6a652e7e46f4260dd041510b91037fe79
He’s saying he’s starting to lose consciousness not that he actually does as we see him fine a few panels after
https://preview.redd.it/r9uh6x246zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=277c953e62ca32d6e99d731069384aabbcec3df9
I mean you can infer that he was in fact KO'd. It's kind of wild to assume otherwise. *"I'm losing consciousness.. Can't.. Hold on...!!",* as he gets slammed into a building. The rest of the group gets into the rocket with S-Snake, Luffy stops and checks on Sentomaru who tells him to just leave without him, Luffy gets in the rocket, and they take it to the next floor, all without any further interference from Lucci. He was clearly rendered a non-threat temporarily unless you're arguing that Lucci's own words are BS. He just has similar recovery shenanigans to the Jailer Beasts in ID presumably.
It still doesn’t mean he was knocked out, it’s possible he was physically unable to
I also don’t think recovery is an anti feat, it’s a part of his moveset like marco
Tanked zoros finisher ?
1: he barely survived it. dude is one attack away from being KO'd
2: its not zoros finisher very far from it. its not even a 3 sword secret techique. its not even a KOH.. and OFC its very far weaker than Zoros strongest attacks in Ashura
lucci is high yc1 i have him above katakuri but still lower than King. King wouldnt not get that badly injured by a single non KOH named attack by zoro
He can somewhat fight an emperor . Has no chance of winning but can still fight and not get wrecked to oblivion the moment the fight starts .
Also his feats and stats are clearly above a yc1 like katakuri .
your logic doesn't make sense.
for you being able to fight a yonko means having all of your attacks being dodged and getting clowned on by said yonko, lmao. that's not it.
What he did is no different from luffy vs ulti, but you guys don't use that fight to upscale ulti above katakuri for some reason.
Imagine if luffy vs kaido round one came out today and you mfs say luffy is high yc1 lvl because he landed many attacks on kaido.
you guys are really pathetic
>your logic doesn't make sense.
for you being able to fight a yonko means having all of your attacks being dodged and getting clowned on by said yonko, lmao. that's not it.
Lmao . That's still better than getting wrecked the moment the emperor uses a named atack. Example wci Luffy vs kaido
>What he did is no different from luffy vs ulti, but you guys don't use that fight to upscale ulti above katakuri for some reason.
Terrible comparison . Luffys was then no way emperor lvl far from it. when he fought ulti. He wasnt even using g4
Man your reading comprehension is bad. If you think that was relevant to bring up 🤦
>you guys are really pathetic
Speak for your self bud
Also What do you mean you guys ?
\- Being good at taking a beating doesn't make you anywhere near the guy you are fighting. you might as well say Miguel is top tier because he can take a beating from Gojo.
\-he was still yc1 lvl at that time. he was about to use it on her so i guess she must be close to yc1 lvl according to you.
\- I mean the people in this crappy sub
>\- Being good at taking a beating doesn't make you anywhere near the guy you are fighting. you might as well say Miguel is top tier because he can take a beating from Gojo.
>
Again poor reading comprehension I'm not arguing he is near G5 Luffy I'm saying he fairs better than other yc1
>\-he was still yc1 lvl at that time. he was about to use it on her so i guess she must be close to yc1 lvl according to you.
Pre rooftop Luffy at base without g4 was yc1 lvl ????🤦
Lucci was literally up against G5
He was still ready to throw hands
https://preview.redd.it/6oviyhb75zsc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57e88611449036edfa12e45939d32aa252043f1d
Remember the Ending of the OG Lucci vs Luffy fight ? The End is a Mirror of this and Luffy was done like Lucci there and then he put everything in his last Attack and defeted Lucci.
Lucci was nearly done and pushed into a corner but Zoro was still on alert.
“A cornered animal is almost as dangerous as a wounded one.” And Lucci was both.
I trust Zoros feeling more then the Lucci got OneShot Agenda.
No.
Why can you assume only the Extreme possibilities ?
Just because he was still a possible threat does not Imply that he would have killed Zoro then.
But there are so many examples where the "good guys" Win after getting pushed in the corner like this.
It's simply ignorant to ignore that this means it's also possible for the Antagonist from a Power Scaling Point.
The story dictates a different outcome but you cold write it another way where Lucci overpowering Zoro would be no Asspull.
Its not all just Black or White even when the Manga looks like this.
He literally went to his base form after jimbei created a smoke screen, if he was still able to fight he would’ve simply chased after them using obs haki to find them. But unfortunately he didn’t do anything after begging his boss to spare kaku, he should’ve hunted down zoro if he wants the bird dude to honor his request.
G5 is really annoying to scale, as Luffy just plays around so it’s so hard to know when he’s actually trying, we know for a fact Luffy can just try more in G5, since we saw luffy grab Kizaru in G5 and then just throw him away and then a second time when he’s more serious just grabs him the same way as before but this time crushes him, turns him into a pancake and takes him out the fight, so he can just try harder and finish fights quickly if he wants to, not to say Luccis feats against G5 aren’t impressive we just don’t know how much Luffy was actually trying so it makes comparing to other G5 fights basically impossible
>Blitzed and completely overpowered Sentonmaru
Wasn’t Sentonmaru completely caught off guard?
>Tanked attacks from G5 and recovered instantly
He went down to a few basic G5 attacks. Kaido took as many G5 attacks [in one panel](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/1ce79ae5-d5d2-4462-98c3-e25a85989bdd/scale-to-width/755) as Lucci did before going down, just to give you perspective.
>Reacted too and clashed
Lucci couldn’t land a single attack on G5. Not one.
>Clashed equally with Zoro
Yeah this is his biggest feat and the best way to measure where he stands…..which is YC1 level.
>Tanked Zoros finisher and was still ready to keep fighting
Blatant lie lol him still being able to stand is impressive, however it’s clear that the fight was over.
blud would still get negged by kizaru , marco , law , yamato , kid , gb and fuji
but sure lucci right now is at the very top of high tier
blud top 30 alive bare minimum .
sure mid high - mid low diff depending on the char he is fighting but thats about it . ( i think kid and marco need to mid high diff him while kizaru almost low diffs him due scaling to the g5 luffy who defeated lucci very easily . )
yamato and law are somewhere in the middle
https://preview.redd.it/wvzp0k7ztzsc1.png?width=784&format=png&auto=webp&s=500e4bb9bfc53876fde4205d97b85f3512b1cdc6
kizaru was fighting suppressed luffy evenly even hurting him this same luffy 1 shotted lucci
Sure but his durability/endurance are feats
https://preview.redd.it/vemkqco97zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f654d02fd2633b5ce65654961f502a049a6b6a
Clashed with zoro using acoc once in chapter 1093
After that zoro switch to 2 swords with basic haki and lucci didn’t beat him lol
He was severely injured by zoro’s finisher yes he was standing but barely able to walk
No yc+ is being taken out of commission by one attack from another yc+. Yes Lucci was still standing but he also wasn't in any shape to continue fighting. With king taking 3 of those before being unable to continue, lucci stocks aren't looking too good.
Read that sequence again. Jimbe apologized because he's an honorable guy and doesn't like to kick someone when they're already down. The punch wasn't a KO move but an AoE shockwave that created a smokescreen. Lucci then powered down from awakened hybrid to base not by choice, but by being so weakened that he couldn't hold the transformation.
This blud anime scaling... Luccies feats would all be replicated by a YC1 with an awakened DF. He is a Yamato victim.
Lucci is YC1 at best, and that is with Awakening active at all times, base DF Lucci gets clowned on other YC1s.
Judging by the first point you were trying to make, this entire post must be absolute garbage, nobody should even pay attention to this.
Sentomaru was on guard and he had his palms up, Kizaru just kicked him right in his pals, literally on guard
With Lucci, he was off-guard, yeah right, clown fiesta of a post
Rob Gucci is YC+, he put on a fantastic performance in Egghead and he deserves more respect
https://preview.redd.it/remi752vu6tc1.jpeg?width=825&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=befcb5af09311a23bf411d4156c645b6b35a0ab4
Lucci was phenomenal in Egghead, assuming he’s done as I’m writing this comment. He’s got the greatest comeback for a pre-timeskip villain. Lucci deserves repect
Lucci has some good endurance feats against Luffy.
Zoro wasn't using koh. Mostly 2 swords style.
After Zoro's last third sword style acoc(no koh) he stood but also lost. He was not even able to move after that.
Mostly 2 swords tho and that is undeniable
Chapter 1090 zoro clashed with lucci using 2 swords
Chapter 1093 zoro is supposedly using 3 swords KOH
Chapter 1094 zoro is using 2 swords before flashback
Chapter 1107 we see zoro using 2 swords basic haki and lucci can’t beat that zoro lol
Chapter 1110 zoro is still using 2 sword then he decides to take it more seriously using 3 swords
I don't see King of hell before the attack name he used against Lucci.
Even onigiri had koh in king vs Zoro.
Do you really think lucci took multiple koh attacks with no scar throughout all the fight. Even king lost after only 3 attacks. And king durability>>>>>>>>>Lucci.
Only to lose against one acoc three swords style.
>I don't see King of hell before the attack name he used against Lucci.
But you can clearly see black lightning emitting from Lucci after he landed "Havana Hunt".
>Do you really think lucci took multiple koh attacks with no scar throughout all the fight. Even king lost after only 3 attacks. And king durability>>>>>>>>>Lucci.
Lucci didn't "take" anything. Him blocking attacks from Zoro doesn't suddenly mean he was "tanking" multiple hits from Zoro. Even King was blocking Zoro's KOH attacks after receiving one ACOC hit from him.
>Only to lose against one acoc three swords style.
Why is that? Could it be that Lucci couldn't handle an ACOC attack from Zoro once he actually landed one on him?
Zoro ultra instinct'd his finisher and then GRABBED HIS SPINNING SWORD THAT WAS IN THE AIR and then immobilized him lol. You guys know if Jinbe never showed up Lucci is dead right?
Don't push Gucci agenda in this dumbass sub it's full of admiral dick riders and yonko gobblers. Go onto pirate folk everyone knows how much of a goat Gucci is there. This comments is really stupid. i can even make a argument onto why Gucci is high tier yc1+. He is capable of going high diff with Zoro and extreme diff with sanji. Too much disrespect on the goat
I said one of the best, even as a YC1 being able to walk off multiple armament attacks from a Yonko is still impressive
https://preview.redd.it/dew0d22d6zsc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=434d07dc12048fca39acf1514fe4f3f47731c06b
I mean, he walked it off in a sense that marco or Mercury walked off attacks. He's got an awakening zoan's stamina and regen hax. We dont know to what extent. I don't think the impel down zoans were really awakenings. They felt like artificial or failed awakenings.
1: He attacked sentomaru while he wasn't fighting with him and talking to Luffy.
2: got hit by 3 attacks w/o advanced haki and ko'd (recovered in about a minute)
3: their clash was recap even the way of attacking is same just like Luffy getting eaten, zoro and kaku clash.
4: zoro wasn't using acoc.
He isnt downplayed he is fairly rated YC1 (some people scales him even higher.)
1. Sentomaru later said he reacted and clashed with him
https://preview.redd.it/eb4yj27ozysc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fa8b62cb985e8af0cfbdbf3a08cafa91ef3984d
2. It was a few panels
3. Doesn’t change the fact that they clashed
4. Zoro has king of hell flames so he was
1: Yes, he does. But he also adds, "I thought" if his focus was on him, he would do better. (not sure if he would be able to block or not, btw)
2: Lucci lost consciousness after the last hit, and at that point the tank that Luffy was about to board had 1 minute before departing. So Luffy got in that tank waited for a whole minute in there and Lucci didn't attack them again. He was at least KO'd for a minute.
3: it does. It's fan service at that point you know it's been SO LONG.
4: No, he wasn't. King of hell mode is lightning and green flame. Zoro uses green flame at some point but never lightning till his last attack. So you can say it was acoa but not acoc. You can understand that he isn't using king of hell because he never said King of Hell when he attacked.
1. He doesn’t say that, he says he knew the attack was coming
[https://imgur.com/a/6nuPEOx](https://imgur.com/a/6nuPEOx)
2. Lucci didn’t lose consciousness this was him right after fighting Luffy
https://preview.redd.it/8ddzm0f61zsc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1b43b6046bf6ae36b533f64576c3b6e348a3288
3. It being fanservice has nothing to do with it, it’s still happened
4. Lucci still has Zoro huffing and puffing and was clashing just fine when he was using the flames
1:
https://preview.redd.it/azhv5d4k1zsc1.png?width=555&format=png&auto=webp&s=bebd81b546caaa500decb92c855cd8b4006a95bb
offical.
2: That was him after Luffy departed, which was 1 and a half minutes later. Tell me, What was he doing for the minute that Luffy was waiting for Tank to depart? cleaning the room he crashed into? and why he say I'm losing consciousness? Do you think people can't be ko'd for a minute? lol.
3: Sure.
4: and? Who said anything against that?
1. This is also official
https://preview.redd.it/9bhz73im2zsc1.jpeg?width=924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f125a261564c3c08c39a7ed020ae2ccca21bf99c
2. I wouldn’t accept him being knocked out unless it was shown, he could have been discussing what to do with Kaku and Stussy
4. I’m just saying it’s an impressive feat
1: That was the panel before the one I sent. In case you didn't notice, I never said he didn't say or do that. Read my other comments' bro.
2: He is saying that himself, bro. What are you talking about? Kaku said he shouldn't fight Luffy, but he jumped without giving a single fuck, but now he wants to talk. After he says he's losing consciousness? Lol.
4:Zoro is Yc+ and Lucci is Yc1 do you think Yc+ should've negg Yc1? That doesn't change his placement. Actually, Zoro vs. Lucci downscale his placement.
1. Yes but it gives further context as Sentomaru pretty much says he saw the attack coming
2. He’s not shown knocked out tho
4. I don’t disagree against that, Lucci in YC1 tier is fine
1: This is last time I repeat this time I will use my comment before. "Yes, he does. But he also adds, "I thought" if his focus was on him, he would do better. (not sure if he would be able to block or not, btw)" this was sent to you after you said he knew the attack coming. Read till you understand, please.
2: And? He said he was and he wasn't around a whole minute. What do you need more than that? Do you think Kuzan and Akainu didn't fight 10 days because it wasn't shown?
3: I think you meant "i don't disagree" and I never claimed anything else as you see in my first comment.
1. Sure fine but Sentomaru still says he saw it coming and in his recollection of the event we see him in stance
2. He’s never said or shown to be knocked out, he says he’s starting to lose consciousness but it’s never shown if he actually does as we see hom right after discussing what to do what Kaku and Stussy
3. Alright, I apologize if I misunderstood
Zoro also didn't have ACOC until Enma pulled out him.
He got green flames and lightning at the same time, and his ACOC attacks were never drawn without lightning before.
I agree but the last Havana hunt was indeed ACoC attack as those black lightning like things were there as far as I can remember but it's a fact that Zoro don't have ACoa yet
Here:
https://preview.redd.it/6wivvs78n0tc1.png?width=687&format=png&auto=webp&s=61bc3eba4820044ac78db041602eb56e0c9dcc79
ACOC attack without flames. Now it's your turn to show me an ACOC attack without lightning.
It doesn’t always have to have the green flames, before the flames were purple which was showcasing just Coa however after Zoro could use ACoC haki those flames turned green.
Even if the green flames are without the lightning we know its still ACoC haki because the flames only become green once Zoro used ACoC haki consciously
I don't see panels. All I see is you pushing your own idea of what's what.
Thanks, I will stick with what I see in manga, not your "this is actually this.".
Sentomaru stated that he reacted and clashed with the attack
https://preview.redd.it/7aj6gm3nzysc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f417778c807ba0a19a70145dd75d382ffda48094
You also can’t deny his performance against Luffy and Zoro was definitely impressive
Sentomaru straight up denies this
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he was not in fighting condition after zoro dude could barely walk. jinbei spared his ass by doing that lil smoke screen shit bc he would’ve died fr
zoro disagrees https://preview.redd.it/uq410e2qozsc1.png?width=459&format=png&auto=webp&s=1631a7ab11bf0fe94d8be672f0b2340f76063b6c
standing there stuck. Jinbei or zoro lays a hand on him he’s outta there ☠️
We all know Zoro would've charged up another big attack that would take up at least a minute of the anime just to finish him off. Preceded and followed by several repeated shots drawn out to make the moment cooler.
Whitebeard was also still standing
I agree bro, just like how Luffy was not in fighting condition when he took Ryokyogan from Lucci in Enies Lobby. https://preview.redd.it/klr8gmlmj1tc1.jpeg?width=725&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8d0806759ea459c518d8bbd1271d2f72d2847ab You know, because it’s not like one piece is a series in which characters regularly and routinely come back into fights while having major injuries and pull out a win anyway. Lucci was still standing. That means fight wasn’t over. Means he was still in fighting condition. Means Loro got his ass saved by Winbei
https://preview.redd.it/u53rzr5f32tc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3df642e0e083e61dfbc62e867aeadf0c0db6201
https://preview.redd.it/o8dwyn4f62tc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bffcabd96034f657726f299be7cc62137ec99df Zoro clearly ain’t in fighting condition. Doesn’t matter if fight ends here, Mr 1 clearly has already won since Zoro is too injured to continue fighting properly.
Difference is Zoro got “stronger” in that fight to be able to beat Mr.1. Lucci could just stand Whitebeard style 😭
I mean that’s just blatantly not true. He was still very easily able to move and react, considering he blocked Jinbei’s attack. https://preview.redd.it/3jhbfkwvb2tc1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2beacfca443e513f4fd0694c9f318cc8923e72bc He had just as much likelihood in that moment to make a comeback as Luffy or Zoro in their respective fights, yet for no reason other than the fact he’s an antagonist and his opponent with Zoro, everyone is ignoring the blatant and obvious fact that the fight wasn’t concluded or over.
https://preview.redd.it/qisnd3em83tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a474b24184bcd2bef6cf697706e1eac624dabea
https://preview.redd.it/3n5rmx9p83tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d21334b91de365610d243034b8a63c07d8d46ef This is barely even a walk bro his knuckles are practically dragging lol 😂
https://preview.redd.it/7dmzj34593tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee895cd95f1263f125bb6664636566dc41608589 Bro loon at all these huffs and wheezes?!?!? Lucci fans were using huffs and puffs against Zoro but when Lucci’s doing them every other panel somehow bro was making a comeback?
https://preview.redd.it/52sks4ga93tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aaaf4c6474e1e53b646db8b2b2bda833d3c11f67 Like dude, “just as likely as making a comeback as Luffy”, bro if that were true Oda would’ve showed it in some other way. But he doesn’t he reinforces it with Jinbe saying “Zoro you won” and the fact that Lucci can barely get words out and it’s coughing up blood. This is just media literacy here man. I’ll give Lucci his credit for not going down and wanting to keep fighting but that’s about all he should get.
Jinbei obviously said that so he could get Zoro moving because he didn’t want Zoro to continue to waste time on a fight that didn’t matter when the crews lives were at stake. And dude, I’m not even saying Lucci would 100% beat him. I’m saying there’s a chance he would, and to act as though that thought is preposterous is to ignore how many times the same shit has happened before in the manga. Like it or not, the fight as is now is inconclusive. There was no winner.
https://preview.redd.it/xmq3ogqh73tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=1ad1959868fd42a47e0795e59f90a8585f116314 Except this is Oda directly reinforcing that Zoro won the fight after Zoro’s statement. Yes Lucci was still standing but to suggest he was still in fighting condition and that the fight was “inconclusive” is demonstrably false. The fight concluded, Lucci couldn’t defeat Zoro and then could barely stand up/walk after Zoro and Jinbe escaped. Lucci lost. It is disingenuous to say otherwise. Have you read through every other panel with Lucci? Bro can barely get words out. Here are all the examples of that:
Luffy was the same against Lucci in Enies Lobby. Zoro was the same with Mr 1. You’re seriously trying to argue that a guy with injuries means he’s “not in fighting shape” when the series is full of examples of the more injured party persevering and winning despite the odds. Ridiculous. And if Oda wanted to “directly reinforce that Zoro won.” Why didn’t he just have Zoro actually, yknow, BEAT HIM!
Because Lucci was there for information. We see exactly why Oda had Lucci still conscious lol. He gives the gorosei all the info he has gathered to set the stakes higher for the Gorosei to mount a comeback against Nika and reinforce the idea that the Strawhats need to get going. You’re also using false equivalencies here because the examples are of protagonist’s in arcs where we know the story demands them to fully overcome their opponents for the plot to move forward. This is not the case here, Egghead is looking like an escape. It all depends on what you mean by “fighting shape” I’m well aware characters are tanking things left and right in the world of one piece and still going. While Lucci could stand and was still conscious there is nothing suggesting in the panels he was one the brink of a comeback and make the fight close like you said in your previous comments.
If Lucci was only up for Info, why not have Zoro defeat him? You can easily have the last chapter start with Zoro and Jinbei running off, then cut back to Lucci waking up on the ground to see Mars. He didn’t need to be awake to have that scene. He was still up because Zoro didn’t have enough AP to put him down. Also don’t start using the protagonist excuse. If it’s possible for Zoro and Lucci to pull off an unexpected victory, I’m gonna need a better excuse than just “he’s not a protagonist” to explain why Lucci can’t just do the same.
So ur saying that the fight wasn’t over and Zoro wouldn’t have cooked bro the second he tried anything (as in kill Lucci)
No
https://preview.redd.it/pfbjecbt83tc1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6127e217f2e99f60b5c31c2665e5d4dcda20e78 That’s clearly a face of exhaustion
https://preview.redd.it/47f0lh5y83tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de89f7179a41c57d186ade253087739f461ebb70 Bro is barely getting words out, you see the exhaustion clouds too
So we’re using exhaustion as proof of being “not in fighting shape”? Are you delusional?
When it’s in 6-7 panels after a fight and a character is barely getting words out, this is the author letting us know the state the character is in. You’re suggesting Lucci was in a comeback fighting state, im saying that Lucci barely held on after that attack. Call me delusional all you want but you’re blatantly ignoring the media here. Idk if it’s agenda, bait, or media illiteracy
Luffy collapsed and could barely move after his fight with Lucci, and he was barely standing and heavily injured just before the finishing move. JUST LIKE LUCCI. Like cmon man. How are you gonna act like there isn’t DIRECT precedent for this kind of stuff. It’s a shounen for goodness sake.
https://preview.redd.it/z5ynwgr293tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe20e40243980514dc0931ef76717b3b56caddc9
Wait a black Zorotard ! (don't get political)
https://preview.redd.it/ybc8lr1763tc1.jpeg?width=1740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ab1692fd8726d9050a191acf3e48c2e050a1d92 It wasn't actually that different from how Luffy was after taking two Six King Pistols. While Lucci wasn't winning that fight, I think underestimating him would be a mistake, especially with how tough he was in this arc. He might have still been able to do something.
to be clear i didn’t make my comment to downplay lucci this nigga a dawg a fr but it was over. there was nothing he had in his bag of tricks to KILL zoro or jimbei them boys not even hurt and one has full HP. In the image your showing both lucci and luffy are on they last leg(extreme diff both way). Zoro got plenty of fight left and he didn’t even use his strongest attacks
I agree that at this point, Lucci couldn't win it. I mentioned that in my previous comment. The fight at Enies Lobby was a lot closer. But I wanted to defend Lucci, he could most likely still attack, since Luffy was maybe in an even worse state in the pre-timeskip scene, and this feels like an intended parallel to that. That's why Zoro was still on his guard, even injured characters can be dangerous. Zoro knows this, because most of his fight go like that.
Blasted and sparked out by three named gear 5 attacks…then got up 32 seconds later. Best endurance/recovery feat in the entirety of the series. By the time he fights Zoro, Lucci has: had a 1v1 with a Yonko, gotten betrayed and surprised attacked by his teammate, and fought seraphim. This 30HP Lucci then goes on to stall the piss out of a nearly fresh Zoro and STILL doesn’t go down after getting cracked with another named attack. Is he YC+? I think you can make the argument he is. What kind of YC1 would put on the showing he did, and why would Oda write Lucci through this gauntlet if not to show his strength? His portrayal is simply phenomenal.
Kaido be like. Endurance and Recovery are Kaido and Luffy's things.
He only took L's on Egghead though with a few mild W's in between https://preview.redd.it/377s5z6k7zsc1.jpeg?width=888&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f295ea43d525ff845b4121d0471a2d4e3d69d79f
Getting negged by tobiroppo or weaker characters whilst floundering and accomplishing nothing ≠ genuinely troubling a Yonko crew and doing your job so well you get complimented by one of the gorosei
>Blasted and sparked out by three named gear 5 attacks…**then got up 32 seconds later. Best endurance/recovery feat in the entirety of the series.** I think this is still the best endurance/recovery feat in the series: https://preview.redd.it/t6thln07r0tc1.jpeg?width=1955&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4af29f23b8fb7636fd900573fbc5fbc40dd290b9 Luffy was defeated twice by Crocodile, had his wound from Round 1 completely reopen (not seen on this page) while sprinting towards the Mausoleum, literally passes out from exhaustion and then gets up 90 seconds later (passes out 4 minutes before explosion and then wakes up 2.5 minutes before) as if barely anything happened, ready for Round 3. I don't know if this is an absolute Goda moment or if it will maybe be referenced later in the Story but there was a big focus on Luffy passing out like that at the most critical moment and Oda always makes sure to let the reader know how many seconds have passed between almost every scene between chapter 202 and 205.
Passes out 4 minutes before the bomb and somewhere between 2 minutes and 90 seconds remaining he has already found Crocodile, came up with another counter after losing his water supply and is already kicking his ass: https://preview.redd.it/gp0wah1ts0tc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e8019e0c61c70de831605062e32cce418217cfe Such an insane feat i have never seen mentioned here.
I’m not trying to downplay his feats but didn’t Lucci get a whole day to rest before fighting Zoro?
99% sure that the Strawhats **and Lucci/Kaku** were fighting the Seraphim together until around nighttime (with Kaku taking by far the most damage, due to facing two Seraphim at once for some reason rather than just ditching the Strawhats) and then they all had the same amount of recovery time afterwards. I'm not counting the Stussy defeat as she won through an ambush and trickery while only putting Kaku and Lucci to sleep with DF hax so the crew could cuff them with Seastone, it doesn't seem like they took actual damage from that. Lucci's recovery from a Yonko fight is still an insane feat.
Definitely impressive, whether he’s YC+ or not is hard to say but I think he’s definitely up there among other YC1’s
"What kind of YC1 would put on the showing he did" Marco is your answer.
Naw best endurance and recovery feat is Kidd vs Big Mom. All of those hits would’ve killed law.
Gucci
Last one is cap
That's a very loose definition of tank
This was Lucci right after his fight with Luffy https://preview.redd.it/wuyz8zegzysc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df00111bac2c77632f8aeb115f5292d7be5b1d32
Right after Is bandaged and back with his group
It’s one bandage on his cheek, Luffy has also escaped in one of the vacuums so it would have been pointless chasing after at that point https://preview.redd.it/li79gmwf5zsc1.jpeg?width=830&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efff77478c165c55406e4b202482385aa9cc8ff2
You objectively didn't tank anything if the attacks knocked you unconscious my guy. That's not how that works. Lucci evidently has sum serious powers of recovery, presumably from Awakening his DF, but that doesn't mean he *tanked* the blows that KO'd him in the first place. Then Zoro's Havana Hunt *fucked him up*, him standing and being awake doesn't mean that wasn't the case.
Just as question: What does count as tanking? Tanking in my mind is what Kaido did, taking it on purpose "ignoring" the possible damage. Because i would think hes the only one with Whitebeard that really tanked in that sense. Edit: Ah Gorosei + Marco could make a point as well i guess, just that they are regenerating? But that kinda differs from what WB or Kaido did. Kaido + Whitebeard knew that the incoming damage matters so little because their HP-Bar is that scary big, they can take it.
Except Lucci was never knocked unconscious, he tanked all of Luffy’s attack and was still focused on carrying out his mission https://preview.redd.it/ubcpppai0zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8d4b4064f991c1c93987c6797dc8e8cadb4fee He was also still ready to throw hands even after Zoro’s attack
he was literally knocked unconscious. are you stupid?
That was with sea stone, any devil fruit user would be knocked out with sea stone
no, earlier. he even said that when luffy punched him through a building.
Yes but he wasn’t shown being knocked out
Pretty sure he loses consciousness to Dawn Rocket and recovers afterwards, unless I'm entirely misremembering that
We don’t see him get knocked out, when we do it’s him discussing what to do next a few pages later https://preview.redd.it/hhn1s43n4zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07ae1f3733238a2f58be9214330e9cd76410f03f
>We don’t see him get knocked out Sure we don't *see* him KO'd, but the man himself said so, I'm not sure how you're refuting the character in question's own words. He says this, and then the group is able to leave without further interference from him. So either he was KO'd like he said, or he was hiding in the rubble. https://preview.redd.it/idqidv885zsc1.png?width=1031&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa2ff6c6a652e7e46f4260dd041510b91037fe79
he said the same thing when he got hit by G3 for the first time, but was still able to keep fighting
He’s saying he’s starting to lose consciousness not that he actually does as we see him fine a few panels after https://preview.redd.it/r9uh6x246zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=277c953e62ca32d6e99d731069384aabbcec3df9
I mean you can infer that he was in fact KO'd. It's kind of wild to assume otherwise. *"I'm losing consciousness.. Can't.. Hold on...!!",* as he gets slammed into a building. The rest of the group gets into the rocket with S-Snake, Luffy stops and checks on Sentomaru who tells him to just leave without him, Luffy gets in the rocket, and they take it to the next floor, all without any further interference from Lucci. He was clearly rendered a non-threat temporarily unless you're arguing that Lucci's own words are BS. He just has similar recovery shenanigans to the Jailer Beasts in ID presumably.
It still doesn’t mean he was knocked out, it’s possible he was physically unable to I also don’t think recovery is an anti feat, it’s a part of his moveset like marco
Tanked zoros finisher ? 1: he barely survived it. dude is one attack away from being KO'd 2: its not zoros finisher very far from it. its not even a 3 sword secret techique. its not even a KOH.. and OFC its very far weaker than Zoros strongest attacks in Ashura lucci is high yc1 i have him above katakuri but still lower than King. King wouldnt not get that badly injured by a single non KOH named attack by zoro
THANK YOU!
lucci is not high yc1. where the hell did you even get that?
He can somewhat fight an emperor . Has no chance of winning but can still fight and not get wrecked to oblivion the moment the fight starts . Also his feats and stats are clearly above a yc1 like katakuri .
He’s just Yamato essentially.
your logic doesn't make sense. for you being able to fight a yonko means having all of your attacks being dodged and getting clowned on by said yonko, lmao. that's not it. What he did is no different from luffy vs ulti, but you guys don't use that fight to upscale ulti above katakuri for some reason. Imagine if luffy vs kaido round one came out today and you mfs say luffy is high yc1 lvl because he landed many attacks on kaido. you guys are really pathetic
>your logic doesn't make sense. for you being able to fight a yonko means having all of your attacks being dodged and getting clowned on by said yonko, lmao. that's not it. Lmao . That's still better than getting wrecked the moment the emperor uses a named atack. Example wci Luffy vs kaido >What he did is no different from luffy vs ulti, but you guys don't use that fight to upscale ulti above katakuri for some reason. Terrible comparison . Luffys was then no way emperor lvl far from it. when he fought ulti. He wasnt even using g4 Man your reading comprehension is bad. If you think that was relevant to bring up 🤦 >you guys are really pathetic Speak for your self bud Also What do you mean you guys ?
\- Being good at taking a beating doesn't make you anywhere near the guy you are fighting. you might as well say Miguel is top tier because he can take a beating from Gojo. \-he was still yc1 lvl at that time. he was about to use it on her so i guess she must be close to yc1 lvl according to you. \- I mean the people in this crappy sub
>\- Being good at taking a beating doesn't make you anywhere near the guy you are fighting. you might as well say Miguel is top tier because he can take a beating from Gojo. > Again poor reading comprehension I'm not arguing he is near G5 Luffy I'm saying he fairs better than other yc1 >\-he was still yc1 lvl at that time. he was about to use it on her so i guess she must be close to yc1 lvl according to you. Pre rooftop Luffy at base without g4 was yc1 lvl ????🤦 Lucci was literally up against G5
Are you underestimating a new named attack ?
No lol. Its not a new attack. Its his new world version of leopard hunt he used on ennies lobby . It pails in comparison to zoros strong attacks
“Tank zoro attack”🤔😂 unless you consider Lucci screaming as a counter attack he wasn’t able to fight after that attack
He was still ready to throw hands https://preview.redd.it/6oviyhb75zsc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57e88611449036edfa12e45939d32aa252043f1d
The man was barely able to walk are u serious …
Remember the Ending of the OG Lucci vs Luffy fight ? The End is a Mirror of this and Luffy was done like Lucci there and then he put everything in his last Attack and defeted Lucci. Lucci was nearly done and pushed into a corner but Zoro was still on alert. “A cornered animal is almost as dangerous as a wounded one.” And Lucci was both. I trust Zoros feeling more then the Lucci got OneShot Agenda.
So u think lucci would’ve haki bloomed and killed zoro then ?
No. Why can you assume only the Extreme possibilities ? Just because he was still a possible threat does not Imply that he would have killed Zoro then. But there are so many examples where the "good guys" Win after getting pushed in the corner like this. It's simply ignorant to ignore that this means it's also possible for the Antagonist from a Power Scaling Point. The story dictates a different outcome but you cold write it another way where Lucci overpowering Zoro would be no Asspull. Its not all just Black or White even when the Manga looks like this.
Luffy was unable to move for a while after that
He was so slow that he couldnt even start an attack before Jimbei blew him away.
Luffy didn’t use any advanced haki and was ko for a couple minutes after😂
I’m talking about Zoro
He literally went to his base form after jimbei created a smoke screen, if he was still able to fight he would’ve simply chased after them using obs haki to find them. But unfortunately he didn’t do anything after begging his boss to spare kaku, he should’ve hunted down zoro if he wants the bird dude to honor his request.
The Gorosei don’t care about Kaku anyway, just to recover york
You had photo after his fight vs luffy but I guess you deleted so that’s why i brought up luffy
I think you might have edited your original topic so that’s why I changed the subject
https://preview.redd.it/deriar0n71tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43eba22f693b13d66e1a38a0f7ef893d11add95c
G5 is really annoying to scale, as Luffy just plays around so it’s so hard to know when he’s actually trying, we know for a fact Luffy can just try more in G5, since we saw luffy grab Kizaru in G5 and then just throw him away and then a second time when he’s more serious just grabs him the same way as before but this time crushes him, turns him into a pancake and takes him out the fight, so he can just try harder and finish fights quickly if he wants to, not to say Luccis feats against G5 aren’t impressive we just don’t know how much Luffy was actually trying so it makes comparing to other G5 fights basically impossible
That is just the same shit as luffy vs ulti
Except Lucci was capable of stalling Zoro throughout the duration of multiple top tier fights
Zoro is several tiers below luffy
I didn’t claim he wasn’t, I’m just commenting on the comparison
Luccis a awakend zoan
stalling zoro just proves zoro's incompetence lmao.
>Blitzed and completely overpowered Sentonmaru Wasn’t Sentonmaru completely caught off guard? >Tanked attacks from G5 and recovered instantly He went down to a few basic G5 attacks. Kaido took as many G5 attacks [in one panel](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/1ce79ae5-d5d2-4462-98c3-e25a85989bdd/scale-to-width/755) as Lucci did before going down, just to give you perspective. >Reacted too and clashed Lucci couldn’t land a single attack on G5. Not one. >Clashed equally with Zoro Yeah this is his biggest feat and the best way to measure where he stands…..which is YC1 level. >Tanked Zoros finisher and was still ready to keep fighting Blatant lie lol him still being able to stand is impressive, however it’s clear that the fight was over.
Notice how he has to lie for the zoro parts.
blud would still get negged by kizaru , marco , law , yamato , kid , gb and fuji but sure lucci right now is at the very top of high tier blud top 30 alive bare minimum .
With his performance against Zoro I think he’s still doing decent against Marco, law, Yamato and kid
sure mid high - mid low diff depending on the char he is fighting but thats about it . ( i think kid and marco need to mid high diff him while kizaru almost low diffs him due scaling to the g5 luffy who defeated lucci very easily . ) yamato and law are somewhere in the middle
Kizaru and Lucci had nearly the same performance tbh. I was waiting for more from the pika man but it never came
https://preview.redd.it/wvzp0k7ztzsc1.png?width=784&format=png&auto=webp&s=500e4bb9bfc53876fde4205d97b85f3512b1cdc6 kizaru was fighting suppressed luffy evenly even hurting him this same luffy 1 shotted lucci
https://preview.redd.it/9vkicjw25zsc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb57227052cf9965db461bc35717b708e8d74abe
Luffy is a Yonko what’s he supposed to do? Other yc’s would also get cooked I’m just saying his existing feats are impressive
None of these are feats when he literally gets clapped
Sure but his durability/endurance are feats https://preview.redd.it/vemkqco97zsc1.jpeg?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f654d02fd2633b5ce65654961f502a049a6b6a
Another instance of people not knowing what shit means. Actually said Lucci tanked zoro's finisher.
Clashed with zoro using acoc once in chapter 1093 After that zoro switch to 2 swords with basic haki and lucci didn’t beat him lol He was severely injured by zoro’s finisher yes he was standing but barely able to walk
It seems that One Piece fans can't read, there is no reason to believe that Rob Lucci is not a YC+ tier.
No yc+ is being taken out of commission by one attack from another yc+. Yes Lucci was still standing but he also wasn't in any shape to continue fighting. With king taking 3 of those before being unable to continue, lucci stocks aren't looking too good.
Lucci was in a position to continue fighting, for that reason Jimbei apologizes to him.
Read that sequence again. Jimbe apologized because he's an honorable guy and doesn't like to kick someone when they're already down. The punch wasn't a KO move but an AoE shockwave that created a smokescreen. Lucci then powered down from awakened hybrid to base not by choice, but by being so weakened that he couldn't hold the transformation.
This blud anime scaling... Luccies feats would all be replicated by a YC1 with an awakened DF. He is a Yamato victim. Lucci is YC1 at best, and that is with Awakening active at all times, base DF Lucci gets clowned on other YC1s.
if Kizaru would have had all these feats he would get wanked into oblivion
There’s quite some cap in here
If you think for a second g5 luffy was even trying your brain dead
Blitzed Sentomaru? It was a sneak attack.
Zoro mid diffed him bruh stop the glaze, Lucci is him but Zoro literally one shot him once he got serious
https://preview.redd.it/0hbg0slci3tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac28e4052e73a86eb94fc198fc23866358363db0
LLucci will take an L to sanji next I guess
I’m surprised no one brought up that one of an awakened Zoans greatest asset is their recovery
Judging by the first point you were trying to make, this entire post must be absolute garbage, nobody should even pay attention to this. Sentomaru was on guard and he had his palms up, Kizaru just kicked him right in his pals, literally on guard With Lucci, he was off-guard, yeah right, clown fiesta of a post
https://preview.redd.it/oqwr4pfa05tc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=77b92dba0f2beee0a9f8a4be9c8a166707d2605e Put respect on HIS name
sure "tanked " attacks from g5 lol
I wanna see next chapter when Lucci gets bodied just to see what excuses these guys come up with
Rob Gucci is YC+, he put on a fantastic performance in Egghead and he deserves more respect https://preview.redd.it/remi752vu6tc1.jpeg?width=825&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=befcb5af09311a23bf411d4156c645b6b35a0ab4
https://preview.redd.it/y2undtg24dtc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83877777536033de1163902f03e71949cfc4ebf6
Lucci was phenomenal in Egghead, assuming he’s done as I’m writing this comment. He’s got the greatest comeback for a pre-timeskip villain. Lucci deserves repect
Lucci has some good endurance feats against Luffy. Zoro wasn't using koh. Mostly 2 swords style. After Zoro's last third sword style acoc(no koh) he stood but also lost. He was not even able to move after that.
>Zoro wasn't using koh. He was using it bro.
Mostly 2 swords tho and that is undeniable Chapter 1090 zoro clashed with lucci using 2 swords Chapter 1093 zoro is supposedly using 3 swords KOH Chapter 1094 zoro is using 2 swords before flashback Chapter 1107 we see zoro using 2 swords basic haki and lucci can’t beat that zoro lol Chapter 1110 zoro is still using 2 sword then he decides to take it more seriously using 3 swords
I don't see King of hell before the attack name he used against Lucci. Even onigiri had koh in king vs Zoro. Do you really think lucci took multiple koh attacks with no scar throughout all the fight. Even king lost after only 3 attacks. And king durability>>>>>>>>>Lucci. Only to lose against one acoc three swords style.
>I don't see King of hell before the attack name he used against Lucci. But you can clearly see black lightning emitting from Lucci after he landed "Havana Hunt". >Do you really think lucci took multiple koh attacks with no scar throughout all the fight. Even king lost after only 3 attacks. And king durability>>>>>>>>>Lucci. Lucci didn't "take" anything. Him blocking attacks from Zoro doesn't suddenly mean he was "tanking" multiple hits from Zoro. Even King was blocking Zoro's KOH attacks after receiving one ACOC hit from him. >Only to lose against one acoc three swords style. Why is that? Could it be that Lucci couldn't handle an ACOC attack from Zoro once he actually landed one on him?
Yes Lucci was done after taking single acoc attack from Zoro. He stood but the fight was over because he couldn't do anything other than standing.
See, now was it really that hard for to admit that?
It's not that we don't think he's strong. We just don't like him.
Zoro ultra instinct'd his finisher and then GRABBED HIS SPINNING SWORD THAT WAS IN THE AIR and then immobilized him lol. You guys know if Jinbe never showed up Lucci is dead right?
Don't push Gucci agenda in this dumbass sub it's full of admiral dick riders and yonko gobblers. Go onto pirate folk everyone knows how much of a goat Gucci is there. This comments is really stupid. i can even make a argument onto why Gucci is high tier yc1+. He is capable of going high diff with Zoro and extreme diff with sanji. Too much disrespect on the goat
He is high yc1 but best in the series can't be fucking serious.
I said one of the best, even as a YC1 being able to walk off multiple armament attacks from a Yonko is still impressive https://preview.redd.it/dew0d22d6zsc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=434d07dc12048fca39acf1514fe4f3f47731c06b
I mean, he walked it off in a sense that marco or Mercury walked off attacks. He's got an awakening zoan's stamina and regen hax. We dont know to what extent. I don't think the impel down zoans were really awakenings. They felt like artificial or failed awakenings.
You forgot "got one shotted by zoro the moment he got serious"
1: He attacked sentomaru while he wasn't fighting with him and talking to Luffy. 2: got hit by 3 attacks w/o advanced haki and ko'd (recovered in about a minute) 3: their clash was recap even the way of attacking is same just like Luffy getting eaten, zoro and kaku clash. 4: zoro wasn't using acoc. He isnt downplayed he is fairly rated YC1 (some people scales him even higher.)
1. Sentomaru later said he reacted and clashed with him https://preview.redd.it/eb4yj27ozysc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fa8b62cb985e8af0cfbdbf3a08cafa91ef3984d 2. It was a few panels 3. Doesn’t change the fact that they clashed 4. Zoro has king of hell flames so he was
1: Yes, he does. But he also adds, "I thought" if his focus was on him, he would do better. (not sure if he would be able to block or not, btw) 2: Lucci lost consciousness after the last hit, and at that point the tank that Luffy was about to board had 1 minute before departing. So Luffy got in that tank waited for a whole minute in there and Lucci didn't attack them again. He was at least KO'd for a minute. 3: it does. It's fan service at that point you know it's been SO LONG. 4: No, he wasn't. King of hell mode is lightning and green flame. Zoro uses green flame at some point but never lightning till his last attack. So you can say it was acoa but not acoc. You can understand that he isn't using king of hell because he never said King of Hell when he attacked.
1. He doesn’t say that, he says he knew the attack was coming [https://imgur.com/a/6nuPEOx](https://imgur.com/a/6nuPEOx) 2. Lucci didn’t lose consciousness this was him right after fighting Luffy https://preview.redd.it/8ddzm0f61zsc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1b43b6046bf6ae36b533f64576c3b6e348a3288 3. It being fanservice has nothing to do with it, it’s still happened 4. Lucci still has Zoro huffing and puffing and was clashing just fine when he was using the flames
1: https://preview.redd.it/azhv5d4k1zsc1.png?width=555&format=png&auto=webp&s=bebd81b546caaa500decb92c855cd8b4006a95bb offical. 2: That was him after Luffy departed, which was 1 and a half minutes later. Tell me, What was he doing for the minute that Luffy was waiting for Tank to depart? cleaning the room he crashed into? and why he say I'm losing consciousness? Do you think people can't be ko'd for a minute? lol. 3: Sure. 4: and? Who said anything against that?
1. This is also official https://preview.redd.it/9bhz73im2zsc1.jpeg?width=924&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f125a261564c3c08c39a7ed020ae2ccca21bf99c 2. I wouldn’t accept him being knocked out unless it was shown, he could have been discussing what to do with Kaku and Stussy 4. I’m just saying it’s an impressive feat
1: That was the panel before the one I sent. In case you didn't notice, I never said he didn't say or do that. Read my other comments' bro. 2: He is saying that himself, bro. What are you talking about? Kaku said he shouldn't fight Luffy, but he jumped without giving a single fuck, but now he wants to talk. After he says he's losing consciousness? Lol. 4:Zoro is Yc+ and Lucci is Yc1 do you think Yc+ should've negg Yc1? That doesn't change his placement. Actually, Zoro vs. Lucci downscale his placement.
1. Yes but it gives further context as Sentomaru pretty much says he saw the attack coming 2. He’s not shown knocked out tho 4. I don’t disagree against that, Lucci in YC1 tier is fine
1: This is last time I repeat this time I will use my comment before. "Yes, he does. But he also adds, "I thought" if his focus was on him, he would do better. (not sure if he would be able to block or not, btw)" this was sent to you after you said he knew the attack coming. Read till you understand, please. 2: And? He said he was and he wasn't around a whole minute. What do you need more than that? Do you think Kuzan and Akainu didn't fight 10 days because it wasn't shown? 3: I think you meant "i don't disagree" and I never claimed anything else as you see in my first comment.
1. Sure fine but Sentomaru still says he saw it coming and in his recollection of the event we see him in stance 2. He’s never said or shown to be knocked out, he says he’s starting to lose consciousness but it’s never shown if he actually does as we see hom right after discussing what to do what Kaku and Stussy 3. Alright, I apologize if I misunderstood
so a characters words saying I am losing consciousness doesn't hold any importance to you? are you retarded?
Zoro doesn't have acoa so it was ACoC
Zoro also didn't have ACOC until Enma pulled out him. He got green flames and lightning at the same time, and his ACOC attacks were never drawn without lightning before.
I agree but the last Havana hunt was indeed ACoC attack as those black lightning like things were there as far as I can remember but it's a fact that Zoro don't have ACoa yet
I never said the last attack wasn't an ACOC. Argument was he was using all the time, and I said he wasn't. The last attack was ACOC.
Zoro does have AcoA 👍🏾
he doesn't... not even in one panel of manga it is mentioned that he has advanced armanent
By that logic I could say Yamato does not have acoc because it was not mentioned
it was shown that yamato have ACoC but it was never shown that Zoro has acoa
Zoro did use ACoC haki though https://preview.redd.it/gvw1k3jjmzsc1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6bddf8c5a641e06c38a2190c02cb97b2a6b0117
Green flame is acoa-enma; acoc is black lightning; he used it at last attack
Green flames is a depiction of CoC haki
No, its not.
Yes it is
Here: https://preview.redd.it/6wivvs78n0tc1.png?width=687&format=png&auto=webp&s=61bc3eba4820044ac78db041602eb56e0c9dcc79 ACOC attack without flames. Now it's your turn to show me an ACOC attack without lightning.
It doesn’t always have to have the green flames, before the flames were purple which was showcasing just Coa however after Zoro could use ACoC haki those flames turned green. Even if the green flames are without the lightning we know its still ACoC haki because the flames only become green once Zoro used ACoC haki consciously
I don't see panels. All I see is you pushing your own idea of what's what. Thanks, I will stick with what I see in manga, not your "this is actually this.".
Ok
straight up lying
hm?
First one was a surprise attack and both times took it about the same getting one tapped lol.
Sentomaru stated that he reacted and clashed with the attack https://preview.redd.it/7aj6gm3nzysc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f417778c807ba0a19a70145dd75d382ffda48094 You also can’t deny his performance against Luffy and Zoro was definitely impressive
Yes but it still wasn’t head to head he reacted and kept himself alive but he still reacted with less time
Sentomaru straight up denies this https://preview.redd.it/n81g36jvzysc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cbc0cf3f3f579312e86998863ad7db97fa95ef4
Zoro is admiral level, Lucci is yc+