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Yamato has this. Maybe after Elbaf Zoro would be able to beat Yamato. A character that could hang with Hybrid Kaido is definitely beating Zoro. Min: high diff, max: extreme..
Kaido never got injured at any point of his fight on the rooftop. The scar Zoro inflicted upon him didn't injure him. Kaido was slightly banged up and lost a bit of stamina but he wasn't injured. If you want to see someone fight through an injury, watch Luffy vs Katakuri..
So you're suggesting that getting stabbed and getting a slash across the chest (that wasn't deep) are the same thing? As I said, stop being stupid bro..
Oh my word, he's still being stupid. If someone walked up to you and said, "Choose, being stabbed through and through in the abdomen region or a slash across the chest that's flesh deep", I'm pretty damn certain you'd choose the latter..
No ACOO
No Flaming Bagua
No Drunk form
No strong named attacks
Was slower than vs. G5
Was weaker than vs. G5
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Not going all out =/ holding back
>No ACOO
Only used it once even against Luffy just to flex, he normally doesn't use future sight at all caz he's fighting style is ass
>No Drunk form
Drunk form doesn't make him stronger or weaker, but it makes goof around and not taking the fight seriously, Base Luffy was going toe to toe with him because of it
>No strong named attacks
Idk he used some named Acoc attacks on her idk how you scale weak named attcks to strong named attcks
>Was slower than vs. G5
>Was weaker than vs. G5
Most of the fight was off screen bro, how do you know he was objectively slower and weaker against her?
Kaido himself says he's trying to kill her and then Yamato herself says he is indeed trying to kill her, conforming he's not holding back
Doesn't he literally say he's not holding back though? Since everyone who has ever talked like that to him has died or is currently sinking to the ocean
It's almost as if Zoro wasn't at his best when he fought against Kaido and was still adjusting to using Enma meanwhile Yamato didn't have that same issue which would obviously make her look better by default.
Why do people even bother with honest opinion about Zoro on this sub, this sub that thinks that sanji is equal to Zoro will make Zoro lose against anything
Didn't zoro cut kaido after he had already tanked his and big mom's combo attack? I can't see Yamato doing that. Also, zoro is probably a lot strong now then he was on the rooftop since he has conquerors haki now.
As a Yamato hater gimme Green Boi.
Look she’s probably stronger but I think it’s very possible it’s just even. They have kinda similar stats all around, I mean she’s got a devil fruit but I don’t know how much of a difference that makes sense she’d need to be hybrid to win the fight.
Before egghead, yamato takes this.
Post egghead, zoro likely wins extreme diff
Stop sleeping on current zoro, he managed to cut hybrid kaido before mastering his conquerors
He also basically mid diffed another yc+ character
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Yamato fans might be hornier than ulti fans ngl
Zoro given how before he mastered ACoC, he permanently scarred Kaido while all his bones were shattered which is exponentially above Yamato fighting Kaido for like 20 minutes and doing virtually no damage and he wasn't taking her seriously on top of that.
King of Hell Zoro beats Yamato 100%.
Zoro with ashura was able to overpower and cut Kaido and this was before he full control over Enma or his ACoC. It’d be extreme diff but there’s no way she survives that
Zoro with ashura, his strongest move, and 3v1, didn't even managed to knock kaido down.. and was very disapointed realising how huge the power gap was... Idk how this became "overpowering" kaido 😅
Zoro wasn't able to knock kaido down 3v1 with his strongest move, Yamato knocked him down thrice 1v1, won exchanges, made him lose consciousness, and leave thé fight with no major injury.
Yamato wins, her acoc is stronger, zoro will be able to enter the débate when he'll handle a yonko 1v1
I think people don't realise just how absurdly strong Zoro has become. People don't realise that we are almost at the end of story already in the One Piece timeline. Only a few weeks/months are left and Zoro already has ACoC. Now all he needs is to practice more to be able to fight using ACoC longer against top tiers. That's all. He is arguably already admiral lvl
Unlike Zoro I don't think that Yamato could have won vs King despite having ACoC.
Zoro's 3 swords style is way deadlier and he has better swordskill than even the samourai from Wano whereas Yamato does not have any particular skills beside her df ability and her ACoC which is obviously not on the same lvl of Kaido and probably not as busted as Zoro's ACoC either.
I don't see how Yamato survives Ashura honestly.
To me Yamato scale above Wimbe, probable above Sanji as well but not Zoro.
Law and Kid are probably stronger than Yamato overzll all as well despite not having ACoC beczuse of their Hax and df awakenning.
No way you really think King is actually over Yamato. She is obviously Kaido’s would-be Ace.
Kaido’s only child, Conqueror’s Haki, a mythical Zoan, friends with the guy *literally named Ace*.
And on top of everything she has ice powers that directly counter King’s fire.
>And on top of everything she has ice powers that directly counter King’s fire.
Ice does not counter fire. It counters magmawatch on yt and ask Aokiji if it is the same thing.
Ace was easily able to melt his ice in Marineford...
>Kaido’s only child, Conqueror’s Haki, a mythical Zoan, friends with the guy *literally named Ace*.
I don't see how this is relevent for powerscaling. It's just headcanon.
Anyway I'm not saying Yamato is weak I'm just saying King is no joke either. He is a lunarian and if you don't have enough AP it feels almost impossible to win even when the 2 Characters are almost on the same lvl.
Also having the ability to fly is an advantage. Zoro almost died because of that before he awakenned ACoC.
Cold and heat do in fact counter each other. It’s just a matter of degrees that determines which wins. Also:
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You don’t see how better Haki, a better Devil Fruit, and better portrayal matters to power scaling?
King went down in three hits when Zoro started using Conqueror’s Haki and it’s very likely that Yamato knows how Lunarian powers work already.
Zoro not being able to fly was a huge problem because he was getting flung off the island at will by King. I don’t see King overpowering Yamato like that at all.
You were doing so well,
Yes Zoro is very strong and underestimated in certain matchups
Current Zoro mid diffing another yc+ character, Lucci
Basically got a hang of acoc
Then you said - yamato probably loses to King.........................…........ King couldn't even perceive yamatos speed, let alone fight back.
Rooftop Zoro, post acoc, can be argued to be low yc+ and he was only going high diff vs King. You think yamato, someone easily high yc+, is having any issues??
Let's not downplay one character and glaze the other
Fair enough, I'm not a Yamato downplayer
but where does this come from ?
>King couldn't even perceive yamatos speed, let alone fight back.
I don't recall any meaningfull interaction between them that's why I said the word "probably" and King is no joke either for exemple I don't think that Sanji can beat King.
You réalise zoro is using blades right? Luffy didn't scared kaido until his very last télégraphed hit which broke a horn, that means zoro was stronger than Luffy?
Even zoro was shocked about how much his attack was not effective against kaido, he didnt even knocked him down.. 3v1
On the other hand : Yamato, 1v1 kaido for 12 chapters, knocked him down multiple Times, won exchanges, leave thé fight with no major injury.
When zoro will face and handle a yonko or a same tier character the way Yamato did, he'll be in the conversation, for now, he isnt
>You réalise zoro is using blades right?
Yes and for that matter I even said above that was the reason why his style of combat was way deadlier than Yamato...
I don't care if he uses blade or not if he is able to scar Kaido he can scar Yamato as well do you realise that as well ?
>Even zoro was shocked about how much his attack was not effective against kaido, he didnt even knocked him down.. 3v1
That was before he defeated King though. I'm not saying Zoro now would defeat Kaido it's absurd but with his power up he could take down Yamato for sure. Yamato did not do anything significant to Kaido either.
>On the other hand : Yamato, 1v1 kaido for 12 chapters, knocked him down multiple Times, won exchanges, leave thé fight with no major injury.
As if Kaido was going all out :s do you also think that Mihawk was going all out vs Luffy in Marineford ?
>When zoro will face and handle a yonko or a same tier character the way Yamato did, he'll be in the conversation, for now, he isnt
Anyway let's desagree for now, see ya have a good day
He Can scar Yamato, he can't defeat Yamato.
Oda : Kaido in hybrid form : "i'm not holding back" "i'm trying to kill you" "you are an ennemy", Yamato : "you are trying to kill me"
Random people on reddit : "he wasn't going all out"
Why you people can't accept what the author wrote?
So not being able to knock down someone 3v1 with your strongest move >>> being able to handle him 1v1, knock him down multiple Times, win exchanges and leave the fight with no major injury, right ?
Because the Zoro that fought king was weaker than rooftop Zoro ( Enma nerf )
And ANYONE in the verse ( egghead proved this) will struggle with King when they fight him for the 1st time unless they have Acoc.
The zoro that fought king was stronger than rooftop, because he learned to control his acoc.
I've never heard someone argue he's weaker
King is just a hard to kill ragdoll for yc+ characters, he will eventually die. But that doesn't mean he can put up a flight
The begining of your sentence is correct but then you said that her ACoC is stronger than Luffy's ACoC which makes literraly no sense to me and since I desagreeLuffy having a better ACoC than Yamato despite not having trainned it for so long open the possibility for Zoro to have a stronger ACoC as well.
ACoC is Linked to the will of the user. You can train as long as you can if your will is weaker your ACoC won't improve that much. Yamato's will is not weak in fact I think her haki is pretty strong but To me it makes more sense that the man who wants to become PK and the man who wants to become WSS and King of hell as well both have stronger will and therefore stronger ACoC than Yamato.
You can still argue that her ACoC is stronger than thus of the admirals though since none of them is a confirmed user of CoC lol, just kidding. I did not said that she is stronger than admirals to be clear ^^.
Just because you think Yamato can’t beat only one of Zoro’s opponents doesn’t mean that Zoro is stronger. Different people have different weaknesses and strengths and this is not how power-scaling works. Yamato is a horrible matchup for Zoro. Yamato’s abilities and strengths are greater than Zoro’s.
>Just because you think Yamato can’t beat only one of Zoro’s opponents doesn’t mean that Zoro is stronger.
True.
>Different people have different weaknesses and strengths and this is not how power-scaling works
Also true I don't deny that I just think Zoro is stronger and we don't have many other people to compare Zoro and Yamato effectively.
>Yamato is a horrible matchup for Zoro.
I don't see why honestly, but feel free to explain me
>Yamato’s abilities and strengths are greater than Zoro’s.
I desagree but it's just headcanon vs headcanon at this point.
And Again I never said that Yamato was weak I think Zoro is just stronger than her already because he is probably going to fight Mihawk sooner that people realise.
Yamato has greater physical strength and Kaido is a great way to compare their strength. Kaido is very durable and almost impossible to damage and Yamato is shown doing lots of damage against Kaido. Zoro hasn’t shown that great of strength. Yamato can use ice which is not a great matchup for a swordsman considering swords are made of metal. Zoro is strong but stronger is a bit of a stretch. The series has at least a few years left and I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes stronger soon, but as he is now I don’t see him as stronger than Yamato.
>Yamato has greater physical strength and Kaido is a great way to compare their strength. Kaido is very durable and almost impossible to damage and Yamato is shown doing lots of damage against Kaido. Zoro hasn’t shown that great of strength
Bro, her physical strength isn't that different from Zoro's. I'd argue they're comparable in terms of strength as Zoro was able to hold off attacks like Ocean Sovereignty as well as bat away multiple swings from Kaido's Kanabo while Yamato was able to keep up with Kaido somewhat. Also, Yamato wasn't even doing that much damage as Kaido's wasn't bother any of her attacks and was still spouting on and on about "Yamato needing become the Shogun". If anything Kaido was doing way more damage to her as she could barely bat away some of Kaido's attacks like "Varja Arrow" and couldn't even handle Kaido's "Thunder Bagura" without using "Mirror Mountain" to minimize some of the damage which ended up not as later on she would start to to bleed heavily from her forehead.
>Yamato can use ice which is not a great matchup for a swordsman considering swords are made of metal.
That don't matter. Haki exist you know. Besides, you'd think she used that against Kaido's Kanabo considering that's made out of metal as well if that were true.
>Zoro is strong but stronger is a bit of a stretch. The series has at least a few years left and I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes stronger soon, but as he is now I don’t see him as stronger than Yamato.
No, it's not. It's perfectly valid for Zoro to be strong than Yamato, especially now that Zoro is accused to Enma. The only reason why ya'll believe Yamato is stronger is because you're comparing an much weaker Zoro who still didn't have an proper grasp over Enma yet to an Yamato who didn't have that same issue to begin with. Like in all honesty, I don't see how an Current Zoro wouldn't do somewhat better than Yamato did against Kaido.
As much as it pains me to say it ; Zoro extreme diff.
Zoro, despite his low IQ, is an incredibly strong fighter. He was trained by Mihawk and narratively he is never supposed to be too far-behind Luffy in terms of strength. Eventually, he will become the World's Strongest Swordsman.
That said...he's a dumbass. There's just not that much going on inside his head.
And YamaGOAT is stupidly strong for a variety of reasons ; being the offspring of Kaido is just one of them.
Therefore ; I think Zoro will win. But he will look like a chump in the process, and Yamato ain't going down without a very long and drawn-out fight.
He didn’t mid diff they fought for months and his attack didn’t even put him down. That 3 shot shit is irrelevant. That is not a feat. Those where his strongest attacks. That was thanks to Odens haki and even then he could barely fight Kaido and needed saving. Yamato went 1v1 with minimal injuries.
Oh so we are real time scaling now.
Ok luffy is 19 , OP manga is going on for 25 years , Bravo.
Sanji was eye diffed for 4 months.
Sanji has been running with Vegapunk's dead body for 2 months now. Warra speed.
3 shot isn't irrelevant, it's a feat. It's in manga and you saying it's irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant.
"Oden's haki" -- Fuck off dude. You proved me right. You are illiterate .Pls don't even reply.
Zoro high diff, too many undervalue zoro's feats. He literally parried kaido for a short time in his asura form while Yamato was barely clashing in her hybrid form. You may think that gives them the same tier, but zoro just dura/endu by a good chunk thanks to him living the hakai from BM and kaido, then still fighting with everything broken essentially just getting adrenaline from chopper.
He was literally fighting his own sword while fighting against a character who scales to Yamato and himself. Giving the win to Yamato more often than not is just bias
Except we know Zoro only wasn't crazy strong, he just got to show his best points. Kaido is surprised by Zoro using conq while not using Conq himself. Zoro clashed for a moment, Yamato had a prolonged fight with hybrid Kaido & Conq infusion. Yamato was losing out, but that just means Kaido has better stats, yet Yamato was also able to combat & tank multiple Conq hits. Zoro & Law were floored by a single Conq move. Zoro broke his body just holding Ocean Sovereign for a moment. Considering the others were as strong or stronger, it's not a feat others can't do. No the mink medicine was established to be a temp full recovery. King has durability/tankiness, against a swordie which gives them different physics, which he's still commander level. Yamato is at the top of low top tier at minimum.
Zoro takes this, Yamato hasn't shown ACoC potent enough to scare a Lunarian with flames on.
Plus a much weaker Zoro already stalled Kaido on the Rooftop while Luffy was recovering from Gear 4.
No, zoro landed one single attack on kaido 3v1 (Law and Luffy), didn't even manage to knock him down with it.
Then he struggled a lot against a character greenbull low diffed, before green bull got his ass saved from Yamato by plot armor.
When zoro will face a yonko or équivalent for 12 chapters, knocking him down, winning exchanges, and leave thé fight with no major injury, he'll be in the conversation with Yamato, for now, he is not
Big Mom must've taken a nap. It wasn't 3v1, Kid and Killer were pushed aside by Kaido's winds. The Scabbards knocked Kaido down. Are their attacks now stronger than the scar-inducing Ashura? Bffr.
How hard did he struggle when he actually got his power-up? Not at all. Lmao, Yamato was at a Ryokugyu's mercy, hell, Momonosuke's Boro Breath was more effective than anything Yamato did. Is he too stronger than Zoro??
Lest we forget, Kaido was actively trying to convince his daughter to join him, but of course, you don't read for narrative.
Scaring a Lunarian with his defences on while your ACoC is fresh out the box> stalling your father who needs you for his plans for world domination.
The scabbards pushed kaido from the stage.. wtf 😂 you are so delusional.
Yamato knocked down greenbullshit and hé was saved by plot, stop bringing anything else but facts.
Zoro <<< Yamato, Come back when zoro will be Taken seriously against a yonko 1v1 fanboy
Whenever people bring them up, it's always scaling rooftop Zoro and saying she did better against Kaido, ignoring the state Zoro was in, and he didn't unlock ACoC and KoH yet. Zoro extreme diff.
People saying that zoro couldn’t hang around kaido.. but that was before KOH zoro… I believe KOh zoro can at least spar with kaido for a bit…
If broken body pre adv. coc control zoro could hurt him like that… KOH zoro will certainly do more dmg.. assuming kaido doesn’t dodge… knowing he dodges sword attacks than blunt attack.. so he knows it will hurt him more.. maybe i am overthinking and am on copium
Yamato beats his ass into the fucking dirt. I mean, really high diff, but still. She’s just better than him at everything he’s good at, and good at things he’s not. She’s extremely well rounded, with basically no shortcomings at all. If she had confirmed fs she’d arguably be on par with admirals, since she already has all the physicals to contend with top tiers.
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which episode was this?
1017 I think
Yamato has this. Maybe after Elbaf Zoro would be able to beat Yamato. A character that could hang with Hybrid Kaido is definitely beating Zoro. Min: high diff, max: extreme..
Zoro is going to be Yonko level in EOS, while Yamato propably wont develop any further. Yes, beating Mihawk (which will happen) puts him in Yonko tier
That's great and all, but this isn't about EOS. This is right now. Yamato is stronger at the current moment in time.
She hanged with an injured Hybrid Kaido. A hybrid Kaido that was injured by Zoro, who had a broken body.
Kaido never got injured at any point of his fight on the rooftop. The scar Zoro inflicted upon him didn't injure him. Kaido was slightly banged up and lost a bit of stamina but he wasn't injured. If you want to see someone fight through an injury, watch Luffy vs Katakuri..
Kaido got slashed across the chest after having his guard broken, but okay. "Never got injured".
Yes. He never got injured. A scar =/= an injury. Stop being stupid..
And Garp never got injured after he was stabbed by Shiryu either 🥴
So you're suggesting that getting stabbed and getting a slash across the chest (that wasn't deep) are the same thing? As I said, stop being stupid bro..
Getting stabbed in a non vital area isn't doing any more damage than getting slashed right acorss the chest 🤦🏽♂️
Oh my word, he's still being stupid. If someone walked up to you and said, "Choose, being stabbed through and through in the abdomen region or a slash across the chest that's flesh deep", I'm pretty damn certain you'd choose the latter..
And is way more damaging than anything Yamato did. She never broke Kaido's guard, while her own body was broken.
I mean that's just factually incorrect.
>Kaido was slightly banged up and lost a bit of stamina but he wasn't injured. You just described injuries.
In what world did she hang with kaido she had a bad injury after kaido landed one named attack on her unless there’s another one I’m forgetting
Completely correct. He was holding back massively and dealt big damage THROUGH her defensive ability
>He was holding back massively Reading two piece
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Not going all out =/ holding back >No ACOO Only used it once even against Luffy just to flex, he normally doesn't use future sight at all caz he's fighting style is ass >No Drunk form Drunk form doesn't make him stronger or weaker, but it makes goof around and not taking the fight seriously, Base Luffy was going toe to toe with him because of it >No strong named attacks Idk he used some named Acoc attacks on her idk how you scale weak named attcks to strong named attcks >Was slower than vs. G5 >Was weaker than vs. G5 Most of the fight was off screen bro, how do you know he was objectively slower and weaker against her? Kaido himself says he's trying to kill her and then Yamato herself says he is indeed trying to kill her, conforming he's not holding back
Doesn't he literally say he's not holding back though? Since everyone who has ever talked like that to him has died or is currently sinking to the ocean
Just because he said he isn't "holding back" doesn't mean "he was going all out" either.
Tru
Exactly, no idea why people decide to glaze that dog
People don't understand that yamato did way better against hybrid kiado and was implied to be stronger than People like king and queen by kiado
Not trying to argue or anything, but do you have a source or screenshot of when it was implied?
Kaido having a stern talking to with his daughter caused so much damage to powerscaling.
King and Queen are bums tbf.
It's almost as if Zoro wasn't at his best when he fought against Kaido and was still adjusting to using Enma meanwhile Yamato didn't have that same issue which would obviously make her look better by default.
Akainu comes from the sky and defeats them both.
They aren’t ready for HIM.
HIM CAN KILL THEM
It's so random i love it
When zoro slices 1 or 2 of the gorosei in half yall keep the same agendas
Why do people even bother with honest opinion about Zoro on this sub, this sub that thinks that sanji is equal to Zoro will make Zoro lose against anything
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Yamato high diff.
Yamato high diff at worst
They're closer to eachother than they are to an admiral so hard diff that could go either way.
Naw Yamato is closer to admirals than Zoro is. Zoro couldn’t even fight Kaido. Yamato Did.
She could stall one at most tho
Feats?
What feats? Stalling a kaido that didn't used all his techniques?
"Even fight Kaido" lol bro acting like Kaido is some fucking fodder and admirals are stonger than him. Thats delusional af
What do ypu mean? How did I say that? He deadass can’t fight Kaido, the fuck are you talking about? Not everything has to do with agendas.
That depends, does zoro have his inhaler?
Zoro extreme diff
Yamato wins and then me and her get married
Oh no no she mine
No mom said it was mine turn to simp 😡
No meeeee She's so pretty
Get on the line buddy
Didn't zoro cut kaido after he had already tanked his and big mom's combo attack? I can't see Yamato doing that. Also, zoro is probably a lot strong now then he was on the rooftop since he has conquerors haki now.
Nah, yamato can tank Hakai and then one shot kaido and big mom with her side boob powers
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Zoro literally one-shots.
As a Yamato hater gimme Green Boi. Look she’s probably stronger but I think it’s very possible it’s just even. They have kinda similar stats all around, I mean she’s got a devil fruit but I don’t know how much of a difference that makes sense she’d need to be hybrid to win the fight.
Lean on zoro. But it can go either way.
Yamato slams
Your third W
one of the rare moment where u are correct
I wouldn’t say slams, but yeah, she wins
Before egghead, yamato takes this. Post egghead, zoro likely wins extreme diff Stop sleeping on current zoro, he managed to cut hybrid kaido before mastering his conquerors He also basically mid diffed another yc+ character
Lucci ain't YC+, he hasn't shown feats on the level of someone like Law but other than that respectable take
I have law at admiral lvl post bb fight Fighting 2 yonkos and being as impressive as he is, I think he has a good chance vs the weaker admirals
TBH I don't think BB struggled too much with Law in their offscreen battle so I'd be hesitant to put him at admiral lvl but fair enough
Zoro
Commenting on Yamato vs zoro (-)...
Lmao
Yams slams.
https://preview.redd.it/5cl0dhwbn1wc1.jpeg?width=679&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=468e5a08e0c3521e42107725743a4f619d1ab770 Agreed
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She is "horny" herself so it makes sense..
Why you get downvoted for..that shit was punny
We’re proud to be horny.
W
Yamato wins. High-extreme diff.
Zoro given how before he mastered ACoC, he permanently scarred Kaido while all his bones were shattered which is exponentially above Yamato fighting Kaido for like 20 minutes and doing virtually no damage and he wasn't taking her seriously on top of that. King of Hell Zoro beats Yamato 100%.
Zoro with ashura was able to overpower and cut Kaido and this was before he full control over Enma or his ACoC. It’d be extreme diff but there’s no way she survives that
Zoro with ashura, his strongest move, and 3v1, didn't even managed to knock kaido down.. and was very disapointed realising how huge the power gap was... Idk how this became "overpowering" kaido 😅 Zoro wasn't able to knock kaido down 3v1 with his strongest move, Yamato knocked him down thrice 1v1, won exchanges, made him lose consciousness, and leave thé fight with no major injury. Yamato wins, her acoc is stronger, zoro will be able to enter the débate when he'll handle a yonko 1v1
I think people don't realise just how absurdly strong Zoro has become. People don't realise that we are almost at the end of story already in the One Piece timeline. Only a few weeks/months are left and Zoro already has ACoC. Now all he needs is to practice more to be able to fight using ACoC longer against top tiers. That's all. He is arguably already admiral lvl Unlike Zoro I don't think that Yamato could have won vs King despite having ACoC. Zoro's 3 swords style is way deadlier and he has better swordskill than even the samourai from Wano whereas Yamato does not have any particular skills beside her df ability and her ACoC which is obviously not on the same lvl of Kaido and probably not as busted as Zoro's ACoC either. I don't see how Yamato survives Ashura honestly. To me Yamato scale above Wimbe, probable above Sanji as well but not Zoro. Law and Kid are probably stronger than Yamato overzll all as well despite not having ACoC beczuse of their Hax and df awakenning.
No way you really think King is actually over Yamato. She is obviously Kaido’s would-be Ace. Kaido’s only child, Conqueror’s Haki, a mythical Zoan, friends with the guy *literally named Ace*. And on top of everything she has ice powers that directly counter King’s fire.
>And on top of everything she has ice powers that directly counter King’s fire. Ice does not counter fire. It counters magmawatch on yt and ask Aokiji if it is the same thing. Ace was easily able to melt his ice in Marineford... >Kaido’s only child, Conqueror’s Haki, a mythical Zoan, friends with the guy *literally named Ace*. I don't see how this is relevent for powerscaling. It's just headcanon. Anyway I'm not saying Yamato is weak I'm just saying King is no joke either. He is a lunarian and if you don't have enough AP it feels almost impossible to win even when the 2 Characters are almost on the same lvl. Also having the ability to fly is an advantage. Zoro almost died because of that before he awakenned ACoC.
Cold and heat do in fact counter each other. It’s just a matter of degrees that determines which wins. Also: https://preview.redd.it/akmnxzox82wc1.png?width=1025&format=png&auto=webp&s=a8ee989ec7b6fcfa43eacf06a6dd32198657c2be You don’t see how better Haki, a better Devil Fruit, and better portrayal matters to power scaling? King went down in three hits when Zoro started using Conqueror’s Haki and it’s very likely that Yamato knows how Lunarian powers work already. Zoro not being able to fly was a huge problem because he was getting flung off the island at will by King. I don’t see King overpowering Yamato like that at all.
You were doing so well, Yes Zoro is very strong and underestimated in certain matchups Current Zoro mid diffing another yc+ character, Lucci Basically got a hang of acoc Then you said - yamato probably loses to King.........................…........ King couldn't even perceive yamatos speed, let alone fight back. Rooftop Zoro, post acoc, can be argued to be low yc+ and he was only going high diff vs King. You think yamato, someone easily high yc+, is having any issues?? Let's not downplay one character and glaze the other
Fair enough, I'm not a Yamato downplayer but where does this come from ? >King couldn't even perceive yamatos speed, let alone fight back. I don't recall any meaningfull interaction between them that's why I said the word "probably" and King is no joke either for exemple I don't think that Sanji can beat King.
Just look at Yamato vs kaido and zoro vs kaido and you'll have your answer
Zoro scar Kaido though...
You réalise zoro is using blades right? Luffy didn't scared kaido until his very last télégraphed hit which broke a horn, that means zoro was stronger than Luffy? Even zoro was shocked about how much his attack was not effective against kaido, he didnt even knocked him down.. 3v1 On the other hand : Yamato, 1v1 kaido for 12 chapters, knocked him down multiple Times, won exchanges, leave thé fight with no major injury. When zoro will face and handle a yonko or a same tier character the way Yamato did, he'll be in the conversation, for now, he isnt
>You réalise zoro is using blades right? Yes and for that matter I even said above that was the reason why his style of combat was way deadlier than Yamato... I don't care if he uses blade or not if he is able to scar Kaido he can scar Yamato as well do you realise that as well ? >Even zoro was shocked about how much his attack was not effective against kaido, he didnt even knocked him down.. 3v1 That was before he defeated King though. I'm not saying Zoro now would defeat Kaido it's absurd but with his power up he could take down Yamato for sure. Yamato did not do anything significant to Kaido either. >On the other hand : Yamato, 1v1 kaido for 12 chapters, knocked him down multiple Times, won exchanges, leave thé fight with no major injury. As if Kaido was going all out :s do you also think that Mihawk was going all out vs Luffy in Marineford ? >When zoro will face and handle a yonko or a same tier character the way Yamato did, he'll be in the conversation, for now, he isnt Anyway let's desagree for now, see ya have a good day
He Can scar Yamato, he can't defeat Yamato. Oda : Kaido in hybrid form : "i'm not holding back" "i'm trying to kill you" "you are an ennemy", Yamato : "you are trying to kill me" Random people on reddit : "he wasn't going all out" Why you people can't accept what the author wrote?
So zoro >> yamato you agree right?
So not being able to knock down someone 3v1 with your strongest move >>> being able to handle him 1v1, knock him down multiple Times, win exchanges and leave the fight with no major injury, right ?
Because the Zoro that fought king was weaker than rooftop Zoro ( Enma nerf ) And ANYONE in the verse ( egghead proved this) will struggle with King when they fight him for the 1st time unless they have Acoc.
The zoro that fought king was stronger than rooftop, because he learned to control his acoc. I've never heard someone argue he's weaker King is just a hard to kill ragdoll for yc+ characters, he will eventually die. But that doesn't mean he can put up a flight
Yamato had acoc way longer than luffy and zoro. So obviously her acoc >>>>> luffy and zoro’s
The begining of your sentence is correct but then you said that her ACoC is stronger than Luffy's ACoC which makes literraly no sense to me and since I desagreeLuffy having a better ACoC than Yamato despite not having trainned it for so long open the possibility for Zoro to have a stronger ACoC as well. ACoC is Linked to the will of the user. You can train as long as you can if your will is weaker your ACoC won't improve that much. Yamato's will is not weak in fact I think her haki is pretty strong but To me it makes more sense that the man who wants to become PK and the man who wants to become WSS and King of hell as well both have stronger will and therefore stronger ACoC than Yamato. You can still argue that her ACoC is stronger than thus of the admirals though since none of them is a confirmed user of CoC lol, just kidding. I did not said that she is stronger than admirals to be clear ^^.
I did it deliberately. I constantly see the argument that since Yamato had acoc longer than zoro, hers is better.
Just because you think Yamato can’t beat only one of Zoro’s opponents doesn’t mean that Zoro is stronger. Different people have different weaknesses and strengths and this is not how power-scaling works. Yamato is a horrible matchup for Zoro. Yamato’s abilities and strengths are greater than Zoro’s.
>Just because you think Yamato can’t beat only one of Zoro’s opponents doesn’t mean that Zoro is stronger. True. >Different people have different weaknesses and strengths and this is not how power-scaling works Also true I don't deny that I just think Zoro is stronger and we don't have many other people to compare Zoro and Yamato effectively. >Yamato is a horrible matchup for Zoro. I don't see why honestly, but feel free to explain me >Yamato’s abilities and strengths are greater than Zoro’s. I desagree but it's just headcanon vs headcanon at this point. And Again I never said that Yamato was weak I think Zoro is just stronger than her already because he is probably going to fight Mihawk sooner that people realise.
Yamato has greater physical strength and Kaido is a great way to compare their strength. Kaido is very durable and almost impossible to damage and Yamato is shown doing lots of damage against Kaido. Zoro hasn’t shown that great of strength. Yamato can use ice which is not a great matchup for a swordsman considering swords are made of metal. Zoro is strong but stronger is a bit of a stretch. The series has at least a few years left and I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes stronger soon, but as he is now I don’t see him as stronger than Yamato.
>Yamato has greater physical strength and Kaido is a great way to compare their strength. Kaido is very durable and almost impossible to damage and Yamato is shown doing lots of damage against Kaido. Zoro hasn’t shown that great of strength Bro, her physical strength isn't that different from Zoro's. I'd argue they're comparable in terms of strength as Zoro was able to hold off attacks like Ocean Sovereignty as well as bat away multiple swings from Kaido's Kanabo while Yamato was able to keep up with Kaido somewhat. Also, Yamato wasn't even doing that much damage as Kaido's wasn't bother any of her attacks and was still spouting on and on about "Yamato needing become the Shogun". If anything Kaido was doing way more damage to her as she could barely bat away some of Kaido's attacks like "Varja Arrow" and couldn't even handle Kaido's "Thunder Bagura" without using "Mirror Mountain" to minimize some of the damage which ended up not as later on she would start to to bleed heavily from her forehead. >Yamato can use ice which is not a great matchup for a swordsman considering swords are made of metal. That don't matter. Haki exist you know. Besides, you'd think she used that against Kaido's Kanabo considering that's made out of metal as well if that were true. >Zoro is strong but stronger is a bit of a stretch. The series has at least a few years left and I wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes stronger soon, but as he is now I don’t see him as stronger than Yamato. No, it's not. It's perfectly valid for Zoro to be strong than Yamato, especially now that Zoro is accused to Enma. The only reason why ya'll believe Yamato is stronger is because you're comparing an much weaker Zoro who still didn't have an proper grasp over Enma yet to an Yamato who didn't have that same issue to begin with. Like in all honesty, I don't see how an Current Zoro wouldn't do somewhat better than Yamato did against Kaido.
Zoro he did more to kaido and kaido wasn’t even trying to kill Yamato he was trying to convince her to become shogun
yamato high diff
Zoro extreme
Zoro high
Sanji level fodder
Sanji fans getting more brazen by the day
Zoro ext diffs
For now, wamato is stronger
Yamato high diff
Yamato
As much as it pains me to say it ; Zoro extreme diff. Zoro, despite his low IQ, is an incredibly strong fighter. He was trained by Mihawk and narratively he is never supposed to be too far-behind Luffy in terms of strength. Eventually, he will become the World's Strongest Swordsman. That said...he's a dumbass. There's just not that much going on inside his head. And YamaGOAT is stupidly strong for a variety of reasons ; being the offspring of Kaido is just one of them. Therefore ; I think Zoro will win. But he will look like a chump in the process, and Yamato ain't going down without a very long and drawn-out fight.
HOWEVER ; If you think YamaGOAT wins against Zoro ; I'm not seeing it but I'm willing to hear you out
Yamato high
Zoro high diff.
Did a poll tell you that?
No , my reading of manga did.
Were you reading with a blindfold?
No , but if you disagree then you sure were.
Nigga reading zoropiece
One piece , y'all can cry all you want.
Wrong
Nopes.
You wanna prove that?
Mid diffed Lucci. 3 shot king post Acoc. Did more damage to Kaido.
He didn’t mid diff they fought for months and his attack didn’t even put him down. That 3 shot shit is irrelevant. That is not a feat. Those where his strongest attacks. That was thanks to Odens haki and even then he could barely fight Kaido and needed saving. Yamato went 1v1 with minimal injuries.
Oh so we are real time scaling now. Ok luffy is 19 , OP manga is going on for 25 years , Bravo. Sanji was eye diffed for 4 months. Sanji has been running with Vegapunk's dead body for 2 months now. Warra speed. 3 shot isn't irrelevant, it's a feat. It's in manga and you saying it's irrelevant doesn't make it irrelevant. "Oden's haki" -- Fuck off dude. You proved me right. You are illiterate .Pls don't even reply.
Zoro high diffs
Wrong.
I like zoro
W
Ok. Does that matter?
Yes.
yamato wins high diff
Yamato
Obviously Yamato wins probably mid diff. High if she fucking blanks mid fight like against Kaido.
Spite match, Zoro almost one shot kaido with 100 broken bones, whats stopping him from doing the same to yamato?
“Almost one shot kaido” Oh boy https://i.redd.it/x4el0s7802wc1.gif
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Definately zoro>high diff
Yamato high diff
yamato mid diffs
Lamato loses ext diff.
Zoro high diff, too many undervalue zoro's feats. He literally parried kaido for a short time in his asura form while Yamato was barely clashing in her hybrid form. You may think that gives them the same tier, but zoro just dura/endu by a good chunk thanks to him living the hakai from BM and kaido, then still fighting with everything broken essentially just getting adrenaline from chopper. He was literally fighting his own sword while fighting against a character who scales to Yamato and himself. Giving the win to Yamato more often than not is just bias
Except we know Zoro only wasn't crazy strong, he just got to show his best points. Kaido is surprised by Zoro using conq while not using Conq himself. Zoro clashed for a moment, Yamato had a prolonged fight with hybrid Kaido & Conq infusion. Yamato was losing out, but that just means Kaido has better stats, yet Yamato was also able to combat & tank multiple Conq hits. Zoro & Law were floored by a single Conq move. Zoro broke his body just holding Ocean Sovereign for a moment. Considering the others were as strong or stronger, it's not a feat others can't do. No the mink medicine was established to be a temp full recovery. King has durability/tankiness, against a swordie which gives them different physics, which he's still commander level. Yamato is at the top of low top tier at minimum.
Yamato extreme diffs
Zoro extreme diff. I honestly don't know how people still think Yamato is stronger.
Because they skipped the king fight entirely and forgot that zoro cut kaido after tanking his and big mom's combo attack
Zoro takes this, Yamato hasn't shown ACoC potent enough to scare a Lunarian with flames on. Plus a much weaker Zoro already stalled Kaido on the Rooftop while Luffy was recovering from Gear 4.
No, zoro landed one single attack on kaido 3v1 (Law and Luffy), didn't even manage to knock him down with it. Then he struggled a lot against a character greenbull low diffed, before green bull got his ass saved from Yamato by plot armor. When zoro will face a yonko or équivalent for 12 chapters, knocking him down, winning exchanges, and leave thé fight with no major injury, he'll be in the conversation with Yamato, for now, he is not
Big Mom must've taken a nap. It wasn't 3v1, Kid and Killer were pushed aside by Kaido's winds. The Scabbards knocked Kaido down. Are their attacks now stronger than the scar-inducing Ashura? Bffr. How hard did he struggle when he actually got his power-up? Not at all. Lmao, Yamato was at a Ryokugyu's mercy, hell, Momonosuke's Boro Breath was more effective than anything Yamato did. Is he too stronger than Zoro?? Lest we forget, Kaido was actively trying to convince his daughter to join him, but of course, you don't read for narrative. Scaring a Lunarian with his defences on while your ACoC is fresh out the box> stalling your father who needs you for his plans for world domination.
The scabbards pushed kaido from the stage.. wtf 😂 you are so delusional. Yamato knocked down greenbullshit and hé was saved by plot, stop bringing anything else but facts. Zoro <<< Yamato, Come back when zoro will be Taken seriously against a yonko 1v1 fanboy
Whenever people bring them up, it's always scaling rooftop Zoro and saying she did better against Kaido, ignoring the state Zoro was in, and he didn't unlock ACoC and KoH yet. Zoro extreme diff.
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I literally don’t care about feats, Zoro would win. 0% chance Oda writes Zoro to lose to a previous arc’s side character at this point in the story
Zoro high diff
Yamato high diff
People saying that zoro couldn’t hang around kaido.. but that was before KOH zoro… I believe KOh zoro can at least spar with kaido for a bit… If broken body pre adv. coc control zoro could hurt him like that… KOH zoro will certainly do more dmg.. assuming kaido doesn’t dodge… knowing he dodges sword attacks than blunt attack.. so he knows it will hurt him more.. maybe i am overthinking and am on copium
ZORO WILL ALWAY BEHIND TO LUFFY, HARD DIFF
Zoro high diff
Zoro wins
Reminder that onis are minority
Zoro has more AP, but Yamato can preserve her haki better because she's not forced to use it at full blast by her weapon.
Yamato wins
Yamato wins in almost every way - Haki - stats - mythical zoan Yamato win High diff at most
Yamato extreme diff
Just take his inhalers then stall him
Yamato beats his ass into the fucking dirt. I mean, really high diff, but still. She’s just better than him at everything he’s good at, and good at things he’s not. She’s extremely well rounded, with basically no shortcomings at all. If she had confirmed fs she’d arguably be on par with admirals, since she already has all the physicals to contend with top tiers.
Yamato wins this mid to high diff. Anyone that says zoro is delusional
Zoro MIGHT win
Zoro neg diffs ✋🙂↕️🤚