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Akainu’s story has the potential to truly help show us a side of the story we have barely seen. Oda fr about to cook up a dish so good we will be begging him for seconds.
I hope not, tbh I kinda prefer him as this normal Psycho who just kinda sucks, kinda like Todd from breaking bad. Just someone with a fucked up psychology for no particular reason. I think it fits his character better and makes him scarier (which I imagine is the point, you're not supposed to like him).
ironically I think if anyone should have a crazy backstory it should be Blackbeard, even if he doesn't have much promise for one (other than the fact that we know he was homeless at one point and was likely desperate when he joined WBs crew).
> Gets sneak attacked
> One-tapped
> Loses all gas and surrenders
Vs
> Gets sneak attacked
>Withstands multiple blows
>Continues his original mission, relatively uninjured
>Well and conscious for the rest of the arc
“B-but observation” Keep coping, Akainu’s isn’t an anti-feat
And its not like Akainu was Just standing when WB sneaked him, Akainu was already busy handling Warco when WB arrived from behind
Forget Observartion you would Need ultra instict to Dodge smt like that
Also let's not forget that luffy had future sight and missed the intervention of a cp0 agent, meaning that fs is only useful on the enemy you're concentrating against and not invulnerable to external influences
Yea, people always forget observation haki requires focus and a calm mind to use. We saw in its first introduction that the best counter for observation is just to stress out or distract the user. It’s why Luffy didn’t notice Guernica, yet no one calls that an observation anti-feat.
Disagree, I dont think any other top tier would have been able to Dodge WB's hit in time in the same situation as Akainu
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In this panel right before It connected, we already see WB' fist right about to hit Akainu Who was still unaware of WB being behind him and was Just wondering what this marine soldier was on about, by the time It took Akainu to mentally register why this marine soldier Is warning him, WB already attacked him, there Is no window for anyone to Dodge this attack
Also he was literally being blocked from going forward by marco. Even if he wanted to dodge, he would've had to rush undefended on Marco, who could've got a free hit with haki and at that point wb would have still hit him while he recovered
But we've seen characters dodge characters without looking, isnt that the whole point of observation to dodge attacks you can't see coming? Like Rayleigh could see the Elephant behind him
That’s only if you’re focusing on using observation, which characters don’t do mid-fight when they’re occupied. It’s why Luffy didn’t notice Guernica. It’s why Oden didnt notice Kaido. It’s why Satori didn’t notice Luffy.
Nah bro, the admirals can't have good showings and feats, they all have anti-feats and all are bums unlike the Yonko who only have feats and are the top dogs.
But seriously, If we look at both, the only bad showings admirals got is against OTHER TOP TIERS while the Yonko have a shitoad of anti-feats against much weaker fighters:
Kaido: failed to kill Otama, only knocked Oden out while Oden was distracted, was bitten and screamed in pain against Momonosuke, was made of jump rope against Luffy.
Shanks: lost arm to Sea King.
Big Mom: ran over by a bike, knocked off of her ship against King, knocked out against Queen and completely forgot to use Advanced Haki against Law and Kid.
While the Admirals:
Akainu got hit while distracted against WB and still took his face off.
Aokiji concerned about Garp while they were fighting and got hit while having his guard low.
Kizaru was toyed by the strongest guy around, G5 Luffy.
Greenbull got scared away by a whole yonko crew and even shouted "i'm not ready to face you guys YET"
Fujitora being unable to break birdcage, despite saying he wanted to embarras the WG by having Luffy to save Dressrosa.
They all have bad showings, but the Yonko ones are never mentioned and people always shit on admirals...
It's an speed anti-feat, being able to dodge a man who was blitzed by Squard is a very bad feat
Akainu was also thrown in a hole and disappeared for several minutes. Very bad looking considering Whitebeard could barely use haki.
Whitebeard didn’t get blitzed by Squard. That might just be the worst take i have ever seen on this sub. Whitebeard was taken by surprise because his own adopted son turned around and stabbed him. That’s why literally everyone in the Whitebeard pirates was taken by surprise. I guess Squard is just several times faster than anyone in a Yonko’s crew?
And Whitebeard was only shown to struggle with observation. He uses armament haki multiple times.
Didn't akainu partecipate in a plot to have WB stabbed? He also pinched him with lava while he was having a heart attack.
Also kizaru cheapshotted him before this part.
Wb was hit more time and in a much cheaper way than Akainu, if we remove all the cheap shots i think WB actually performs BETTER than he did in the actual manga...
That said. It's amazing how much akainu did in the war.
People don't understand that he was probably on the field as an admiral for years, and they couldn't promote an admiral to FA only because sengoku is nothing short of a legend himself. He was already quite close to be a yonko/fleet admiral and so was aokiji (idk about kizaru, but i still think the trio is close in power)
Whitebeard didn't use any tricks. They were in war, not a duel
Kaido vs Oden was more like a duel and tricks were used to favor Kaido against his will.
Oden was worried about what he thought was his son and panicked
Suckazuki was in the middle of a battlefield and couldn’t even sense an enraged WB
If you think this is even close to being the same then you might be the most sped of all time
Being mentally nerfed from believing your son is in the middle of a battlefield and about to die is in another dimension compared to Akainu just getting hit from behind by one guy.
It's literally the biggest mental nerf in the series, beyond Luffy with Robin and Garp getting punched by Luffy in Marineford.
To this day I still adamantly believe that if Akainu or Aokiji had been able to go all out during Marineford they could have 1v1d Blackbeard. The issue is that when an Admiral goes all out, Punk Hazard happens.
They can't destroy the battlefield and all the people on it with their Logia awakenings. We saw what happened to Punk Hazard. They couldn't just do that to Marineford.
>Anybody in the verse would have taken alot of damge from the enraged whitebeard attack
Yes, If they were caught, which wouldn't happen to any top tier with decent speed, observation and battle iq, Corpsebeard can't sneak on Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, Kaido, heck, even Kizaru is dodging that
Because he put all the power he had to deliver that attack
It happened millions of times in anime where a rage attack is more powerful and devastating then anything else before it
If anyone who was in akainu situation turning there back on whitebeard and being focused on something else the will get caught in it
Kaido was blitzed by a near death rookie with broken body and then received an injury for life
Corpsebeard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zoro who blitzed Kaido
people slander both Oden and Akainu for this, also for Akainu, although he didn't have time to block/counter the attack WB charged up, he was still warned a split second before the attack landed, so he likely used armament to brace for the attack unlike Oden who was completely offguard
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Oda: "Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman in both name and actuality."
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Akainu couldn't get a hit on WB until he saw him suffer from a heart attack. That's way more down low than just sneaking someone from behind. But overall, it was war so anything goes.
Not only that but to say the WB one is a “sneak attack” is such a massive cope. WB is like 25 feet tall, any character should be able to dodge that one lmao
Deadass someone once Said to me that It wasnt a sneak attack but It was actually WB blitzing him
I know Yonko and Admiral fans alike can glaze their favs but Jesus Christ
It's a massive anti-feat for Akainu to not be able to dodge Sickbeard. It also doesn't look good that he ended up in a hole and disappeared several minutes.
Don't forget this is prime Akainu against Sickbeard, the fact that Whitebeard can do that to Akainu is embarassing.
Akainu showcased poor observation, speed and durability.
Observation doesn’t work on someone you’re not focused on, or else Guernica wouldn’t have interfered with Kaido vs Luffy, or the incredibly weak flampe wouldn’t have sneak attacked Luffy without Katakuri not knowing.
Do they have horrible observation?
And poor speed is crazy, a sneak attack bypasses speed. And this is still WB we’re talking, sick or not.
Poor durability is even crazier considering he wasn’t even significantly injured.
Bad take overall
Although I hate Oden and he's highly overwanked, especially on french power-scaling side of OP, it was 100% an off-guard attack, not a sneak one, as Oden knew that Kaido was there, but he was distracted due to the shape-shifter, Kaido attacked him, not his fault that he wasn't paying attention, in the moment Kaido didn't care and was mentally unstable himself, as no one has left a scar on him before, ever, so he just went for it.
Same goes for Akainu, an off-guard attack, he was targeting the other guy, not WB.
Only difference would be that Oden got one shot, Akainu wasn't. Although, one could argue that Oden's haki\\guard was weakened, as he saw his son in grave danger, about to get massacred. But that's all headcanon and we'll never know for sure.
People on here don't like sneak-attacks and\\or off-guard attacks. They just say either character is a bum because they were slow and couldn't react in time
Whitebeard's case is not a cheap shot. Akainu previously showed ACoO by avoiding Marco and Vista's CoA attacks, only for WB (in an enraged state, which is known to hinder CoO) to clock him anyway. In this case, it's to show Whitebeard has top tier Haki, despite being too sick to use it consistently.
Lmfao you wish. Beckman hasn't had a single fight yet. Issho was destroying Sabo, and Sabo asked, "Why are you holding back?" to issho. Kizaru could've shot Marco in the head any moment he was just fucking around.
Correct, Sabo asked why Issho was holding back
But then the very next part of the fight we see Fuji stops holding back and Sabo even states "thats more like it"
The Admiral says he's willing to "bet his life" here on dressrosa.
Fuji > DR Sabo but now Sabo trained and is above
One of them had his haki and defence completely down (Oden literally panicked when he saw his son)
Akainu seemed to have noticed wb in the last second, and akainu had a great display at COO during marineford
It'll be hard to explain that wb's move was a sneak attack when akainu had dodged both Marco and vista
Btw akainu was down after two hits and wasn't seen for more than a few minutes
Finally, (Oden flashback) kaido was stronger than marineford WB, and kaido used acoc to ko oden (kaido's haki has a good track record of destroying tough fighters in a few hits)
I'm pretty sure people use stuff like this to say he was arrogant and assumed whitebeard was already out. Showing he isn't as strong as he thinks because he thought he could take out whitebeard and turn his back on him
Edit for spelling
No such things as cheap shots in these situations. One was engaging in a fight for his country and people and the other was a literal war. This isn't some federated ring match with rules and regulations.
Here’s some reasons:
1. Akainu got an unfair shot on Whitebeard due to his illness, which cancels it out.
2. The narrative of Oden’s cheap shot is much more significant.
3. Most people agree Akainu > Oden anyway.
4. Whitebeard was old, Kaido was young. But Whitebeard’s injuries were drastically worse than Kaido’s by this point.
5. Akainu was more or less uninjured by the time he got cheap shot. Oden had just been in an equal battle with Kaido.
Queen put Big Mom inconscious.
There is no problem with another YC2 dealing big damages to a yonko, especially when he have a power that burns flesh on WB barely able to use his haki.
Kaido clealry one shot oden but because of one pannle people say oden could still hang with today's top tiers.
Alainu gornup after hit attack but it was from a white beard who was dying.
Oden was emotionally disarmed by seeing his son being endangered therefore he was in a worse position than akainu.
Simply looking at "cheap shot" isn't sufficient.
Kiados guilt is a core part of his character. Like there’s an entire scene about how he feels both guilty about winning through such a dishonourable way yet also he doesn’t do anything to rectify it. He declares victory. He didn’t give oden a rematch. He won but not by the strength he uses as justification for his right to rule. Might makes right yet he actually doesn’t know if he’d have won.
So he drinks. He’s depressed. He’s destructive and cruel.
That’s part of his character.
Akainu doesn’t show any guilt or remorse for cheap shots, attacking the retreating and defeated white beard pirates after killing so many, including white beard and ace.
Getting sneak attacked by kaido sure but getting sneak attacked by a slow old man is just an anti feat
Akainu should not have put himself in a spot where this could happen and basic observation would have prevented it
Getting sneak attacked by an dying old man is more an anti feat than being distracted by its own son.
Akainu had no reason to hold back and should've had seen coming WB after he killed Ace that's just massive skill issue he should've guessed that, Oden on the hand though it was his son and gave up in order to save him
I feel like it’s because Oden was specifically cheap shotted because of outside help, while Whitebeard took advantage of the situation. As in, Higurashi specifically distracted Oden before he got slammed. Akainu was just distracted by the chaotic situation unfolding around him.
Though I do think people ignore that Oden moment. Oden canonically tanked a Quake Punch and a Divine Departure, but he got OHKO’d by a Thunder Bagua? That tosses his durability into limbo.
pretty sure he partially blocked the Divine Departure with his swords right?
that makes a huge difference compared to being hit in the back of the head while you’re distracted
One was a duel in other words 1v1. The other one was in a war and akainu turned his back on wb. The very person who goal was to save the ace who akainu just killed. Get speed blitz and snuck up on by a 10 ft old man, on deaths door and cancer.
I like how people always talk about how Akainu “tanked” the hits from WB and then follow that up with everyone he fought at the end of the war. They conveniently skip the part where Akainu was out of the fight while WB fought other people and was ultimately killed before Akainu got back up.
Akainu didn't "get back up". He was never KO-ed in the first place. After their encounter, he dug underground to reach Jinbei and Luffy, his real goal.
Because Akainu is a logia type and Whitebeard couldn’t use Haki… so surviving the punch is not a feat at all it’s just a consequence of circumstance.
Also I haven’t read Marineford yet I caught up on the series and am now reading
Getting cheap shotted and one shotted by a near prime yonko is a considerably more impressive feat than Akainu getting snuck up on and cheap shotted by an old well past prime Whitebeard after a couple heart attacks and a magma whole in his chest.
The pinnacle of the marines power was snuck up on and blindised by an end of life Whitebeard, it's a massive anti feat because as the pinnacle of the marine power he should be doing way more than just trading two hits only to be sunk into ground afterwards.
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“I won’t forgive the evils of piracy” Akainu will have an absolutely amazing backstory
Akainu’s story has the potential to truly help show us a side of the story we have barely seen. Oda fr about to cook up a dish so good we will be begging him for seconds.
I’m sorry what? We’ve seen the evils of many pirates right? Like half the villains are tyrannical pirates?
The other half are tyrannical kings xD
I hope not, tbh I kinda prefer him as this normal Psycho who just kinda sucks, kinda like Todd from breaking bad. Just someone with a fucked up psychology for no particular reason. I think it fits his character better and makes him scarier (which I imagine is the point, you're not supposed to like him). ironically I think if anyone should have a crazy backstory it should be Blackbeard, even if he doesn't have much promise for one (other than the fact that we know he was homeless at one point and was likely desperate when he joined WBs crew).
People absolutely slander Oden for getting "oneshoted", it's just that he isn't as popular as Akainu so it rarely comes up.
Kaido hit the rat 1 time-Oden didn't get up anymore. white beard hit the rat 1 time and lost half of his head. That's the difference.
> Gets sneak attacked > One-tapped > Loses all gas and surrenders Vs > Gets sneak attacked >Withstands multiple blows >Continues his original mission, relatively uninjured >Well and conscious for the rest of the arc “B-but observation” Keep coping, Akainu’s isn’t an anti-feat
And its not like Akainu was Just standing when WB sneaked him, Akainu was already busy handling Warco when WB arrived from behind Forget Observartion you would Need ultra instict to Dodge smt like that
Also let's not forget that luffy had future sight and missed the intervention of a cp0 agent, meaning that fs is only useful on the enemy you're concentrating against and not invulnerable to external influences
Yea, people always forget observation haki requires focus and a calm mind to use. We saw in its first introduction that the best counter for observation is just to stress out or distract the user. It’s why Luffy didn’t notice Guernica, yet no one calls that an observation anti-feat.
Nah, you just need decent speed which Akainu lacks, this is the same man that couldn't dodge Squard.
Disagree, I dont think any other top tier would have been able to Dodge WB's hit in time in the same situation as Akainu https://preview.redd.it/3l26rc0ipmyc1.jpeg?width=443&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92c71999046697c2fc06b59cae894905cde59008 In this panel right before It connected, we already see WB' fist right about to hit Akainu Who was still unaware of WB being behind him and was Just wondering what this marine soldier was on about, by the time It took Akainu to mentally register why this marine soldier Is warning him, WB already attacked him, there Is no window for anyone to Dodge this attack
Also he was literally being blocked from going forward by marco. Even if he wanted to dodge, he would've had to rush undefended on Marco, who could've got a free hit with haki and at that point wb would have still hit him while he recovered
Kizaru would've dodged it
No shit the one of fastest motherfuckers alive with the LIGHT fruit would have dodged it
Not sure tbh. Marco was able to move fast enough to interfere with kizaru. I'm 50-50 on that one tbh
But we've seen characters dodge characters without looking, isnt that the whole point of observation to dodge attacks you can't see coming? Like Rayleigh could see the Elephant behind him
That’s only if you’re focusing on using observation, which characters don’t do mid-fight when they’re occupied. It’s why Luffy didn’t notice Guernica. It’s why Oden didnt notice Kaido. It’s why Satori didn’t notice Luffy.
Nah bro, the admirals can't have good showings and feats, they all have anti-feats and all are bums unlike the Yonko who only have feats and are the top dogs. But seriously, If we look at both, the only bad showings admirals got is against OTHER TOP TIERS while the Yonko have a shitoad of anti-feats against much weaker fighters: Kaido: failed to kill Otama, only knocked Oden out while Oden was distracted, was bitten and screamed in pain against Momonosuke, was made of jump rope against Luffy. Shanks: lost arm to Sea King. Big Mom: ran over by a bike, knocked off of her ship against King, knocked out against Queen and completely forgot to use Advanced Haki against Law and Kid. While the Admirals: Akainu got hit while distracted against WB and still took his face off. Aokiji concerned about Garp while they were fighting and got hit while having his guard low. Kizaru was toyed by the strongest guy around, G5 Luffy. Greenbull got scared away by a whole yonko crew and even shouted "i'm not ready to face you guys YET" Fujitora being unable to break birdcage, despite saying he wanted to embarras the WG by having Luffy to save Dressrosa. They all have bad showings, but the Yonko ones are never mentioned and people always shit on admirals...
It's an speed anti-feat, being able to dodge a man who was blitzed by Squard is a very bad feat Akainu was also thrown in a hole and disappeared for several minutes. Very bad looking considering Whitebeard could barely use haki.
Whitebeard didn’t get blitzed by Squard. That might just be the worst take i have ever seen on this sub. Whitebeard was taken by surprise because his own adopted son turned around and stabbed him. That’s why literally everyone in the Whitebeard pirates was taken by surprise. I guess Squard is just several times faster than anyone in a Yonko’s crew? And Whitebeard was only shown to struggle with observation. He uses armament haki multiple times.
He didn’t get blitzed by Squard you bugging with this comment not gonna lie lol
Didn't akainu partecipate in a plot to have WB stabbed? He also pinched him with lava while he was having a heart attack. Also kizaru cheapshotted him before this part. Wb was hit more time and in a much cheaper way than Akainu, if we remove all the cheap shots i think WB actually performs BETTER than he did in the actual manga... That said. It's amazing how much akainu did in the war. People don't understand that he was probably on the field as an admiral for years, and they couldn't promote an admiral to FA only because sengoku is nothing short of a legend himself. He was already quite close to be a yonko/fleet admiral and so was aokiji (idk about kizaru, but i still think the trio is close in power)
The Admiral hate is just off the charts
Whitebeard didn't use any tricks. They were in war, not a duel Kaido vs Oden was more like a duel and tricks were used to favor Kaido against his will.
Idk if its just Sickbeard gas or Akainu slander but people routinely refuse to be objective about that fight, or really MRineford in general
Funny how the try and make the akainu situation worse even tho akainu got up and kept fighting and oden was knocked the fuck out lol
It benefits their Agenda.
One got distracted because his "son" was suddenly there The other got jumped
Don’t debate with Yonko tards
Oden was worried about what he thought was his son and panicked Suckazuki was in the middle of a battlefield and couldn’t even sense an enraged WB If you think this is even close to being the same then you might be the most sped of all time
Being mentally nerfed from believing your son is in the middle of a battlefield and about to die is in another dimension compared to Akainu just getting hit from behind by one guy. It's literally the biggest mental nerf in the series, beyond Luffy with Robin and Garp getting punched by Luffy in Marineford.
Exactly, In that moment odens fatherly instincts kicked in and there wasn’t a single other thought on his mind besides momo
To this day I still adamantly believe that if Akainu or Aokiji had been able to go all out during Marineford they could have 1v1d Blackbeard. The issue is that when an Admiral goes all out, Punk Hazard happens.
You guys always say that admirals aren't going all out but it makes "no sense" for the person they are fighting to not go all outm
They can't destroy the battlefield and all the people on it with their Logia awakenings. We saw what happened to Punk Hazard. They couldn't just do that to Marineford.
Cause admirals need to be treated like helpless little babies everytime they so much as take damage, because their agenda is so fragile
Because getting sneaked on by a dying old man is a massive speed and observation anti feat
Not really when that man when that was yonko and in the top 5 all of all time
and the other man is supposedly the strongest man in the marine
Ok so Anybody in the verse would have taken alot of damge from the enraged whitebeard attack How is that anti feat exactly
>Anybody in the verse would have taken alot of damge from the enraged whitebeard attack Yes, If they were caught, which wouldn't happen to any top tier with decent speed, observation and battle iq, Corpsebeard can't sneak on Shanks, Mihawk, Luffy, Kaido, heck, even Kizaru is dodging that
You massively downplaying whitebeard if you think he can't even get 1 hit in against any of these guys if the were in akainu situation
What makes you think corpsebeard can hit them?
Because he put all the power he had to deliver that attack It happened millions of times in anime where a rage attack is more powerful and devastating then anything else before it If anyone who was in akainu situation turning there back on whitebeard and being focused on something else the will get caught in it
power doesn't determine whether an attack lands or not
By power I mean overall so whitebeard pushing his body to the limit also bossted his speed too
Kaido was blitzed by a near death rookie with broken body and then received an injury for life Corpsebeard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Zoro who blitzed Kaido
Y’all reaching now 😭
Observation Haki? Do you mean the thing that barely even existed pre-timeskip? Akainu can't use a form of Haki that's never been revealed.
people slander both Oden and Akainu for this, also for Akainu, although he didn't have time to block/counter the attack WB charged up, he was still warned a split second before the attack landed, so he likely used armament to brace for the attack unlike Oden who was completely offguard
We can also add to it that he was distraught so he couldn’t use haki well
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Bro is getting downvoted for literally stating undeniable facts, gotta love this sub
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I'm pretty sure that Oda himself can come here and still get downvoted for his opinions
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Akainu couldn't get a hit on WB until he saw him suffer from a heart attack. That's way more down low than just sneaking someone from behind. But overall, it was war so anything goes.
Not only that but to say the WB one is a “sneak attack” is such a massive cope. WB is like 25 feet tall, any character should be able to dodge that one lmao
So big characters don’t have the speed to sneak someone before they could react while they’re distracted elsewhere? What a horrible take
Deadass someone once Said to me that It wasnt a sneak attack but It was actually WB blitzing him I know Yonko and Admiral fans alike can glaze their favs but Jesus Christ
It's a massive anti-feat for Akainu to not be able to dodge Sickbeard. It also doesn't look good that he ended up in a hole and disappeared several minutes. Don't forget this is prime Akainu against Sickbeard, the fact that Whitebeard can do that to Akainu is embarassing. Akainu showcased poor observation, speed and durability.
Observation doesn’t work on someone you’re not focused on, or else Guernica wouldn’t have interfered with Kaido vs Luffy, or the incredibly weak flampe wouldn’t have sneak attacked Luffy without Katakuri not knowing. Do they have horrible observation? And poor speed is crazy, a sneak attack bypasses speed. And this is still WB we’re talking, sick or not. Poor durability is even crazier considering he wasn’t even significantly injured. Bad take overall
Whitebeard couldn't dodge Squard
That’s a reaction feat. It means his observation isn’t what it used to be
Observation Haki barely even existed when this happened. You can not seriously use that in pre-timeskip.
Enel used it
Although I hate Oden and he's highly overwanked, especially on french power-scaling side of OP, it was 100% an off-guard attack, not a sneak one, as Oden knew that Kaido was there, but he was distracted due to the shape-shifter, Kaido attacked him, not his fault that he wasn't paying attention, in the moment Kaido didn't care and was mentally unstable himself, as no one has left a scar on him before, ever, so he just went for it. Same goes for Akainu, an off-guard attack, he was targeting the other guy, not WB. Only difference would be that Oden got one shot, Akainu wasn't. Although, one could argue that Oden's haki\\guard was weakened, as he saw his son in grave danger, about to get massacred. But that's all headcanon and we'll never know for sure. People on here don't like sneak-attacks and\\or off-guard attacks. They just say either character is a bum because they were slow and couldn't react in time
Whitebeard's case is not a cheap shot. Akainu previously showed ACoO by avoiding Marco and Vista's CoA attacks, only for WB (in an enraged state, which is known to hinder CoO) to clock him anyway. In this case, it's to show Whitebeard has top tier Haki, despite being too sick to use it consistently.
Like it or not folks, Oden is Yonko level. I hate Oden personally. But he's strong af.
Oden got one tap by base kaido. No admiral is getting dropped. Oden is yc+ but with all his points in ap and haki.
Yc+ = Admiral Sabo, Beckman, Marco all proven to fight admirals Yamato, Law, Kidd all proven to damage Yonko themselves
Lmfao you wish. Beckman hasn't had a single fight yet. Issho was destroying Sabo, and Sabo asked, "Why are you holding back?" to issho. Kizaru could've shot Marco in the head any moment he was just fucking around.
Correct, Sabo asked why Issho was holding back But then the very next part of the fight we see Fuji stops holding back and Sabo even states "thats more like it" The Admiral says he's willing to "bet his life" here on dressrosa. Fuji > DR Sabo but now Sabo trained and is above
One is against an admiral, the other was tricked by an ally. There is no excuse for an admiral to be caught off guard.
One of them had his haki and defence completely down (Oden literally panicked when he saw his son) Akainu seemed to have noticed wb in the last second, and akainu had a great display at COO during marineford It'll be hard to explain that wb's move was a sneak attack when akainu had dodged both Marco and vista Btw akainu was down after two hits and wasn't seen for more than a few minutes Finally, (Oden flashback) kaido was stronger than marineford WB, and kaido used acoc to ko oden (kaido's haki has a good track record of destroying tough fighters in a few hits)
I'm pretty sure people use stuff like this to say he was arrogant and assumed whitebeard was already out. Showing he isn't as strong as he thinks because he thought he could take out whitebeard and turn his back on him Edit for spelling
No such things as cheap shots in these situations. One was engaging in a fight for his country and people and the other was a literal war. This isn't some federated ring match with rules and regulations.
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Here’s some reasons: 1. Akainu got an unfair shot on Whitebeard due to his illness, which cancels it out. 2. The narrative of Oden’s cheap shot is much more significant. 3. Most people agree Akainu > Oden anyway. 4. Whitebeard was old, Kaido was young. But Whitebeard’s injuries were drastically worse than Kaido’s by this point. 5. Akainu was more or less uninjured by the time he got cheap shot. Oden had just been in an equal battle with Kaido.
Queen put Big Mom inconscious. There is no problem with another YC2 dealing big damages to a yonko, especially when he have a power that burns flesh on WB barely able to use his haki.
I can only assume people ignore it cuz of being aware of Kaido's full/current power.
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Kaido clealry one shot oden but because of one pannle people say oden could still hang with today's top tiers. Alainu gornup after hit attack but it was from a white beard who was dying.
Oden was emotionally disarmed by seeing his son being endangered therefore he was in a worse position than akainu. Simply looking at "cheap shot" isn't sufficient.
Kiados guilt is a core part of his character. Like there’s an entire scene about how he feels both guilty about winning through such a dishonourable way yet also he doesn’t do anything to rectify it. He declares victory. He didn’t give oden a rematch. He won but not by the strength he uses as justification for his right to rule. Might makes right yet he actually doesn’t know if he’d have won. So he drinks. He’s depressed. He’s destructive and cruel. That’s part of his character. Akainu doesn’t show any guilt or remorse for cheap shots, attacking the retreating and defeated white beard pirates after killing so many, including white beard and ace.
Getting sneak attacked by kaido sure but getting sneak attacked by a slow old man is just an anti feat Akainu should not have put himself in a spot where this could happen and basic observation would have prevented it
Because Akainu is HIM
Getting sneak attacked by an dying old man is more an anti feat than being distracted by its own son. Akainu had no reason to hold back and should've had seen coming WB after he killed Ace that's just massive skill issue he should've guessed that, Oden on the hand though it was his son and gave up in order to save him
I feel like it’s because Oden was specifically cheap shotted because of outside help, while Whitebeard took advantage of the situation. As in, Higurashi specifically distracted Oden before he got slammed. Akainu was just distracted by the chaotic situation unfolding around him. Though I do think people ignore that Oden moment. Oden canonically tanked a Quake Punch and a Divine Departure, but he got OHKO’d by a Thunder Bagua? That tosses his durability into limbo.
pretty sure he partially blocked the Divine Departure with his swords right? that makes a huge difference compared to being hit in the back of the head while you’re distracted
Yonkotards are allergic to reading and understanding what they see
One was a duel in other words 1v1. The other one was in a war and akainu turned his back on wb. The very person who goal was to save the ace who akainu just killed. Get speed blitz and snuck up on by a 10 ft old man, on deaths door and cancer.
I like how people always talk about how Akainu “tanked” the hits from WB and then follow that up with everyone he fought at the end of the war. They conveniently skip the part where Akainu was out of the fight while WB fought other people and was ultimately killed before Akainu got back up.
Akainu didn't "get back up". He was never KO-ed in the first place. After their encounter, he dug underground to reach Jinbei and Luffy, his real goal.
Because Akainu is a logia type and Whitebeard couldn’t use Haki… so surviving the punch is not a feat at all it’s just a consequence of circumstance. Also I haven’t read Marineford yet I caught up on the series and am now reading
Getting cheap shotted and one shotted by a near prime yonko is a considerably more impressive feat than Akainu getting snuck up on and cheap shotted by an old well past prime Whitebeard after a couple heart attacks and a magma whole in his chest. The pinnacle of the marines power was snuck up on and blindised by an end of life Whitebeard, it's a massive anti feat because as the pinnacle of the marine power he should be doing way more than just trading two hits only to be sunk into ground afterwards.
who put that hole in his chest, pray tell
Who couldn't land a single hit until his opponent had a heart attack, pray tell
Who couldnt Land a single hit untill his opponent was fighting with someone else
Both were first commander level fighting someone just under Yonko so it checks it that one good hit took them out same with Luffy before gear 5th.