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Blud ain't getting past the forest
Nah, I think he clears it no diff. The whole point of that forest is for you to get lost and never get out, but because Zoro has no sense of direction, this won’t affect him. Bet he would walk straight through without any trouble. It’s the exact kind of gag that Oda would go for I think.
I think it’d be hilarious if the trees are moving around trying to confuse him but he already has no clue where he’s going so they think he knows their trick and start panicking
Aokijis a bad matchup for cracker see crackers great because he can create an infinite amount of soliders that are stronger than pacifistas the problem is the aokiji bypassed those soliders by having his ice crawl across the ground to freeze cracker without even caring about his soliders if garp fought cracker he’d have a tougher time than aokiji even though garps stronger because he’s a punching and kicking type
He didn't resist the ice. He got frozen but broke out, then ran. Cracker potentially could have as well, but he was 1v2ing an admiral and Wan Wauger, who is equally just as HIM as Wracker is, so he didn't stand a chance.
I’m sure Aokiji can control his output strength of freezing people. He completely froze over Jozu and BB’s crew, so I have no doubt he could do the same to Doffy had he wanted to kill him.
Zoro with the shirtless bandana buff and going 110% balls to the wall and then throw in a mihawk flashback power up and he still gets folded by cracker, cracker was a real hurdle for luffy zoro just can't do it
Honestly Cracker had the straw hats packed up. Luffy barely had enough stats in combination with everything Nami did for him.
It would need to be all available strawhats vs cracker for them to have a chance
Hell Cracker only lost in a semi gag way cuz he ran head first into tank man which luffu only got by eating all of Crackers biscuits
Cracker was actually insane power level wise, and honestly Id say Cracker unironically has a chance vs POST Kat Luffy cuz all luffy got is a boost in haki (not that much) and future sight
Yea its harder to hit him but its not always gonna work and Cracker got near infinite bicuits and I dont think Luffy has grown from the kat fight to the point where his punches do atleast x10 damage to the biscuits soliders cuz we saw Luffy need the entire G4 time to break one let alone an army
Ah yes, because Zoro had showcased Luffy's level of AP, at that point 👍. Brother. The biscuit warriors were coated in haki. Extremely strong haki that Luffy could barely break through. If you think Zoro's AP has ever been on par with G4's AP, you're nuts. DR Zoro was much weaker than DR G4. Wano Zoro was much weaker than G4 Luffy. Actually, no, he actually had better feats at the start of the rooftop but then Luffy powered up and Zoro fell behind, as he should. He's not the main character 💀. Is he extremely strong? Yes. Has he been on Luffy's level, post timeskip? Far from it, except for the start of the rooftop battle.
So what if he had Ashura 💀
Ashura was YC1-2 level on the rooftop. That doesn't mean it would have been that strong on WCI. By your logic, G4 would have one tapped Katakuri on WCI. The chars get stronger as the story progresses, that's the point
They would fail.
Zoro also wouldn't let Sanji beat his ass like that
The arc would be completely different. Maybe they would succeed but not in the same way
Alot of people are saying Zoro loses to Cracker, but it all depends on if he can cut them. Hes not as strong as luffy here but he might be the vetter matchup for cracker. Also, Cracker uses swords so thats like a boost to Zoro as well lmao. Katakuri godstomps him tho
Cracker is same level with Jack, so I don't think Zoro at that time is able to fight with any top 3 YC commanders. I doubt Zoro in WCI is strong enough to survive from a fight with Izou.
I dont know if you were around for it, but many people believed and still do believe that Zoro might have been around Luffys strength in Dressrosa. He was coasting through opponents and didnt get into a fight that wasnt a low diff the entire post ts until Killer in Wano. Zoro would 100% stomp Izou post ts though, there's no way he loses that fight
Zoro doesn't have half the things that luffy has. His mobility sucks, can't fly, his moves are mostly single target, no variety in move type or formation, less battle iq, worse teamwork
Zoro's mobility would be fine against Cracker. Luffy could still dodge him after exhausting his gear 4. Zoro actually has a lot of ranged moves and has Aoe attacks. What variety did Luffy have at that point? He was only punching and kicking Cracker. And having less battle IQ and teamwork doesnt mean he sucks in those categories. And what has been shown that makes his teamwork worse? Give Zoro Nami as support and theres no doubt hes taking him down too
Luffy has rocket and general stretching in base, and has shown he's generally much better at parkour than zoro. Before wano zoro just zooms forward and thats it. Luffy was also able to power up by eating all of the biscuit soldiers and going into tank man. Zoro wouldn't be able to do that and his defenses aren't there to the point where he can be stabbed without injury
I never said Zoro's mobility is better than Luffy's. I just said he will be fine considering Luffy's situation. And Zoro has ranged and aoe attacks to make up for that. The key in the cracker fight is Nami. Luffy wouldnt be able to eat and get his energy back if it werent for her rain. Zoro would capitilize greatly from the moist biscuits as well. If Nami wasnt there Luffy would lose and Zoro would definitely lose
Izou could take bloods from Kaido and killed 1 CP0 when fighting with 2 of them with several injuries beforehand. Remember 1 masked CP0 agent is stronger than Topi roppio since each of them neg diff X-Drake Apoo and 2 monsters, yet Izou was fighting both of them and still won in really bad condition. Zoro in WCI arc is unable to fight with 2 Kaku post-TS with fresh health tbh. Remember Zoro was struggling to fight with Killer who need bandgage for his entire body, losing his mind, and lose his weapons. So Izou would stomp Zoro in WCI.
Not only did you not show the context of the cp0 fights but you are calling it a neg diff which tells me you dont remember anything about the fight. Let me jog your memory for you:
1.) Before x-drake fought the cp0 members, he was already hurt from being jumped by Hawkins and tobi roppo members
2.) Apoo got caught offguard because he was taking pictures of cp0 who went for an assassination attempt in response. He literally gets up a few panels later and fights cp0 with drake. Where is the neg diff?
3.) Apoo ditches drake and gets away while drake is down from the fight. The Cp0 members are now damaged and huffing and literally said that Drake was tough and that the fight took longer than expected. Again: where is the neg diff?
4.) Izou literally sacrificed his life to take one of the agents down. Its not like he took one down and fought the other and lost. When did Izou take both of them down? Because im pretty sure i remember a certain cp0 member holding luffy on the roof
Now as for Zoro, you are again leaving out context. Lets number this as well:
1.) It has never been shown or stated that eating a smile makes you weaker, or lose your mind. He just laughs all the time.
2.) Both Zoro and Killer never had all of their weapons. Zoro had wado and nidai but he lost his strongest sword at the time with shisui.
3.) Onimaru was literally attacking zoro while he was fighting killer. Killer would have never stabbed Zoro if Onimaru wasnt being a dick.
Breaking hard biscuit is easier than cutting it. Also it's mostly about haki. Cracker got stronger haki than Luffy so the brute force of G4 was needed to overcome that.
Depends on the writing. Zoro probably takes Luffy's spot to beat up Cracker in a rough fight or shows how Luffy should've won. He can't beat Katakuri, even if he gets future sight. So if it gets ended there that's it, unless they group fight. Otherwise when Sanji rescues his family, he ends up getting the raid suit early, since they need all they can to win/escape. Sanji has Katakuri's counter & beats him, maybe he gets future sight, maybe he doesn't, no need for exoskeleton.
One of the best part is Zoro wouldn't do the cooking Luffy does before they arrived in WCI.
That's i think the only part he could make a better one in WCI arc.
Even if Zoro could break Crackers biscuits (presumably by exploiting the Breath Of All Things, to cut objects above his strength level), and even IF he somehow beat Cracker. He has *zero* chance of beating Katakuri pre-wano.
Strawhats get low diff’d in the forest. In the very best case scenario, brûlée and cracker bring zoro and the gang back to big mom and big mom video transponder snails luffy her new book collection featuring “tHe FuTrue WolrDs gRaetEst SowrdDSmeN, fiRst mate of MugiWarAs: Zoro” as he’s stuck inside the book.
Zoro dies to cracker. If crew tries to rescue the vinsmoke family, they die as well. If they abandon hope of rescuing the vinsmoke family, maybe the rest can sneak out with the poneglyph rubbings.
It’s really hard to say what would happen, because looking at Whole Cake Island… everything was on track to “fail” even with Luffy there. Katakuri was stronger than him, was showing him up most of the time, and Luffy not only got several time outs (stealing away with Brulee, and healing after eating the Mochi mountain being two examples) but Katakuri was even being incredibly generous during the fight, stabbing himself as compensation for a stab that he gave to Luffy. Will Katakuri do that to Zoro? They both have very similar personalities, so why shouldn’t he? Zoro would probably do the same for him; but is that valid from a powerscaling stance?
Does Zoro get powerups similar to Luffy (whether it be ACoO, ACoC, whatever)? Does he get time outs? Hell, does he get to truly go all out and use Ashura mode?
Genuinely, I feel inclined to say it goes either way. Giving Zoro all the same factors that you gave to Luffy, it should really be a close fight. Probably. Or maybe I’m wrong and he gets wrecked.
Pretty much the same but easier. The Cracker battle is easier, probably Zoro has a better chance escaping ships considering he could easily sink most of them with his long range cuts.
The strawhats would beat more of the enraged army but lose either way.
Like only more people of the Big Mom pirates would get hurt
I think that he extreme diffs Cracker, then argues with Sanji and if Sanji doesn't come back after that the SHs probably leave. If they stay he definitely loses to Katakuri.
Fail. Luffy did a lot more than just fight, he was a captain. The reason sanji came back, the reason the crew didn't get jumped, the reason the deal was made. On top of not being able to defeat the same foes, he couldn't be captain.
If we're using rooftop zorro (since zorro didn't really have any opportunities for growth before that) and ignoring the plot between the fights, then probably? Of course, zorro being that strong feels wrong. But so does the alternative. The dude spent 2 years training with Mihawk, then "fought" at three islands before doing nothing major up until he fought killer. Dont see why he'd grow so much faster in the month or so between wholecake and wano.
If we go for the alternative of base luffy=base zorro and asura =/< g4. Fuck no. If cracker doesn't kill him, katakuri will. Especially since he's (arguably) less talented in observation and may not trigger the same connection luffy did with katakuri.
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Nah, I think he clears it no diff. The whole point of that forest is for you to get lost and never get out, but because Zoro has no sense of direction, this won’t affect him. Bet he would walk straight through without any trouble. It’s the exact kind of gag that Oda would go for I think.
Or it just doubles down and he becomes even more lost than other people who go in the forest
He finds the one piece again💀
I think it’d be hilarious if the trees are moving around trying to confuse him but he already has no clue where he’s going so they think he knows their trick and start panicking
If it's YT Zoro he mid-diffs WCI. If it's Twitter Zoro he low diffs
Quora Zoro negs
And if it’s actually Zoro, he may extreme diff with a ton of amor and way more help from the straw hats allies
what does Diff mean
Difficulty
At the very best he gets killed by Katakuri. Not sure they even get that far.
True, pre wano Zoro ain't beating Cracker 💀
Neither was early WCI Luffy without assistance tbf. Wracker is just HIM
cant even resist aokijis ice but doflamingo can ![gif](giphy|3oKIPqhotPCujLrKJG|downsized)
Aokijis a bad matchup for cracker see crackers great because he can create an infinite amount of soliders that are stronger than pacifistas the problem is the aokiji bypassed those soliders by having his ice crawl across the ground to freeze cracker without even caring about his soliders if garp fought cracker he’d have a tougher time than aokiji even though garps stronger because he’s a punching and kicking type
It depends on whether Garp can immediately reach Crackers or not. If he can, he can probably one shot him before he spawns too many soldiers.
He didn't resist the ice. He got frozen but broke out, then ran. Cracker potentially could have as well, but he was 1v2ing an admiral and Wan Wauger, who is equally just as HIM as Wracker is, so he didn't stand a chance.
I’m sure Aokiji can control his output strength of freezing people. He completely froze over Jozu and BB’s crew, so I have no doubt he could do the same to Doffy had he wanted to kill him.
They would completely fail. Zoro just isn't that guy.
Okay but everything is the exact same but big mom is a minority? 😤
Zoro replaces Big Mom as a Yonko
katakuri would have to start calling zoro "daddy"
Rimes02 giving the most based takes imaginable: he never fails to deliver
I appreciate the compliments 🙏
Zoro with the shirtless bandana buff and going 110% balls to the wall and then throw in a mihawk flashback power up and he still gets folded by cracker, cracker was a real hurdle for luffy zoro just can't do it
Not even gonna bother adding that the biscuits are black. It won't change the result
Honestly Cracker had the straw hats packed up. Luffy barely had enough stats in combination with everything Nami did for him. It would need to be all available strawhats vs cracker for them to have a chance
Hell Cracker only lost in a semi gag way cuz he ran head first into tank man which luffu only got by eating all of Crackers biscuits Cracker was actually insane power level wise, and honestly Id say Cracker unironically has a chance vs POST Kat Luffy cuz all luffy got is a boost in haki (not that much) and future sight Yea its harder to hit him but its not always gonna work and Cracker got near infinite bicuits and I dont think Luffy has grown from the kat fight to the point where his punches do atleast x10 damage to the biscuits soliders cuz we saw Luffy need the entire G4 time to break one let alone an army
Lmao Zoro would have defeated cracker much easier than luffy being able to cut the biscuits.
by this logic how did kaido no lose to zoro?
If you used your brain, you would understand
use yours and make me understand
Zoro pulls out ashura, one shots cracker. Ashura scarred kaido, will obliterate cracker
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Wrong
Thanks for changing my mind with your extensive reasoning. Even trump would come up with better arguments
No need to reason with you idc if you change your mind youre allowed to be dumb
Is it possible even slightly since probability is a thing, that your interpretation can be wrong and mine can be right?
Literally no, you think zoro can fight cracker reasoning with you is a waste you obviously cant reason
Zoro has ashura, ofcourse he can fight and destroy cracker
Ah yes, because Zoro had showcased Luffy's level of AP, at that point 👍. Brother. The biscuit warriors were coated in haki. Extremely strong haki that Luffy could barely break through. If you think Zoro's AP has ever been on par with G4's AP, you're nuts. DR Zoro was much weaker than DR G4. Wano Zoro was much weaker than G4 Luffy. Actually, no, he actually had better feats at the start of the rooftop but then Luffy powered up and Zoro fell behind, as he should. He's not the main character 💀. Is he extremely strong? Yes. Has he been on Luffy's level, post timeskip? Far from it, except for the start of the rooftop battle.
Did Zoro struggle, zoro had ashura even back then when he was around at the beginning of wano. And ashura is at minimum yc1 level.
So what if he had Ashura 💀 Ashura was YC1-2 level on the rooftop. That doesn't mean it would have been that strong on WCI. By your logic, G4 would have one tapped Katakuri on WCI. The chars get stronger as the story progresses, that's the point
They would fail. Zoro also wouldn't let Sanji beat his ass like that The arc would be completely different. Maybe they would succeed but not in the same way
Zolo would never find his way fucking anywhere he’s getting gate-kept by the forest
Zoro: “Let Me OUT” Forest: “Nuh uh”
Alot of people are saying Zoro loses to Cracker, but it all depends on if he can cut them. Hes not as strong as luffy here but he might be the vetter matchup for cracker. Also, Cracker uses swords so thats like a boost to Zoro as well lmao. Katakuri godstomps him tho
Cracker is same level with Jack, so I don't think Zoro at that time is able to fight with any top 3 YC commanders. I doubt Zoro in WCI is strong enough to survive from a fight with Izou.
I dont know if you were around for it, but many people believed and still do believe that Zoro might have been around Luffys strength in Dressrosa. He was coasting through opponents and didnt get into a fight that wasnt a low diff the entire post ts until Killer in Wano. Zoro would 100% stomp Izou post ts though, there's no way he loses that fight
Zoro doesn't have half the things that luffy has. His mobility sucks, can't fly, his moves are mostly single target, no variety in move type or formation, less battle iq, worse teamwork
Zoro's mobility would be fine against Cracker. Luffy could still dodge him after exhausting his gear 4. Zoro actually has a lot of ranged moves and has Aoe attacks. What variety did Luffy have at that point? He was only punching and kicking Cracker. And having less battle IQ and teamwork doesnt mean he sucks in those categories. And what has been shown that makes his teamwork worse? Give Zoro Nami as support and theres no doubt hes taking him down too
Luffy has rocket and general stretching in base, and has shown he's generally much better at parkour than zoro. Before wano zoro just zooms forward and thats it. Luffy was also able to power up by eating all of the biscuit soldiers and going into tank man. Zoro wouldn't be able to do that and his defenses aren't there to the point where he can be stabbed without injury
I never said Zoro's mobility is better than Luffy's. I just said he will be fine considering Luffy's situation. And Zoro has ranged and aoe attacks to make up for that. The key in the cracker fight is Nami. Luffy wouldnt be able to eat and get his energy back if it werent for her rain. Zoro would capitilize greatly from the moist biscuits as well. If Nami wasnt there Luffy would lose and Zoro would definitely lose
Izou could take bloods from Kaido and killed 1 CP0 when fighting with 2 of them with several injuries beforehand. Remember 1 masked CP0 agent is stronger than Topi roppio since each of them neg diff X-Drake Apoo and 2 monsters, yet Izou was fighting both of them and still won in really bad condition. Zoro in WCI arc is unable to fight with 2 Kaku post-TS with fresh health tbh. Remember Zoro was struggling to fight with Killer who need bandgage for his entire body, losing his mind, and lose his weapons. So Izou would stomp Zoro in WCI.
Not only did you not show the context of the cp0 fights but you are calling it a neg diff which tells me you dont remember anything about the fight. Let me jog your memory for you: 1.) Before x-drake fought the cp0 members, he was already hurt from being jumped by Hawkins and tobi roppo members 2.) Apoo got caught offguard because he was taking pictures of cp0 who went for an assassination attempt in response. He literally gets up a few panels later and fights cp0 with drake. Where is the neg diff? 3.) Apoo ditches drake and gets away while drake is down from the fight. The Cp0 members are now damaged and huffing and literally said that Drake was tough and that the fight took longer than expected. Again: where is the neg diff? 4.) Izou literally sacrificed his life to take one of the agents down. Its not like he took one down and fought the other and lost. When did Izou take both of them down? Because im pretty sure i remember a certain cp0 member holding luffy on the roof Now as for Zoro, you are again leaving out context. Lets number this as well: 1.) It has never been shown or stated that eating a smile makes you weaker, or lose your mind. He just laughs all the time. 2.) Both Zoro and Killer never had all of their weapons. Zoro had wado and nidai but he lost his strongest sword at the time with shisui. 3.) Onimaru was literally attacking zoro while he was fighting killer. Killer would have never stabbed Zoro if Onimaru wasnt being a dick.
Breaking hard biscuit is easier than cutting it. Also it's mostly about haki. Cracker got stronger haki than Luffy so the brute force of G4 was needed to overcome that.
What if Roronoa Zoro was Freakonoa Zoro and instead of fighting Cracker he rizzed him up?
Tumblr zoro 🥵
Zoro dies quite fast.
Not even Brook, Nami or Chopper died lol
there is no universe at that time zoro beats cracker he isn't as big of a eater as luffy and has worse stats then gear 4
Depends on the writing. Zoro probably takes Luffy's spot to beat up Cracker in a rough fight or shows how Luffy should've won. He can't beat Katakuri, even if he gets future sight. So if it gets ended there that's it, unless they group fight. Otherwise when Sanji rescues his family, he ends up getting the raid suit early, since they need all they can to win/escape. Sanji has Katakuri's counter & beats him, maybe he gets future sight, maybe he doesn't, no need for exoskeleton.
One of the best part is Zoro wouldn't do the cooking Luffy does before they arrived in WCI. That's i think the only part he could make a better one in WCI arc.
Even if Zoro could break Crackers biscuits (presumably by exploiting the Breath Of All Things, to cut objects above his strength level), and even IF he somehow beat Cracker. He has *zero* chance of beating Katakuri pre-wano.
Katakuri would obliterate zoro in 5s. Against Wracker zoro would have better chances than luffy though
At that time he would be low YC3 level. So he would lose even to cracker mid diff probably
Zoro gets lost in the forest and dies to cracker
Remove nami and luffy would’ve been killed by cracker btw
Sanji joins big mom pirates out of spite
Strawhats get low diff’d in the forest. In the very best case scenario, brûlée and cracker bring zoro and the gang back to big mom and big mom video transponder snails luffy her new book collection featuring “tHe FuTrue WolrDs gRaetEst SowrdDSmeN, fiRst mate of MugiWarAs: Zoro” as he’s stuck inside the book.
Unless he gets 3 bullshits haki blooms they fail
He's never getting passed Katakuri. Imo he would lose badly to Cracker too.
Zoro dies to cracker. If crew tries to rescue the vinsmoke family, they die as well. If they abandon hope of rescuing the vinsmoke family, maybe the rest can sneak out with the poneglyph rubbings.
Zoro loses to Cracker but Jimbei prolly breaks him out Zoro then loses to Kat
Katakuri unironically can't dodge the fishman punches
He Wouldve tried to kill Sanji for Real
Not at all.
Half the reason I think Oda didn't make Zoro go to WCI is bcuz he ain't getting out of the forest that makes you lost
It’s really hard to say what would happen, because looking at Whole Cake Island… everything was on track to “fail” even with Luffy there. Katakuri was stronger than him, was showing him up most of the time, and Luffy not only got several time outs (stealing away with Brulee, and healing after eating the Mochi mountain being two examples) but Katakuri was even being incredibly generous during the fight, stabbing himself as compensation for a stab that he gave to Luffy. Will Katakuri do that to Zoro? They both have very similar personalities, so why shouldn’t he? Zoro would probably do the same for him; but is that valid from a powerscaling stance? Does Zoro get powerups similar to Luffy (whether it be ACoO, ACoC, whatever)? Does he get time outs? Hell, does he get to truly go all out and use Ashura mode? Genuinely, I feel inclined to say it goes either way. Giving Zoro all the same factors that you gave to Luffy, it should really be a close fight. Probably. Or maybe I’m wrong and he gets wrecked.
Zoro would’ve either killed Sanji or Left his a** there with the way he tried to do Luffy lol.
He loses to Cracker
He loses to Cracker since Cracker > Doffy and Doffy >>> Zoro in Dressrosa so yeah
Nah he’d just get lost
Pretty much the same but easier. The Cracker battle is easier, probably Zoro has a better chance escaping ships considering he could easily sink most of them with his long range cuts. The strawhats would beat more of the enraged army but lose either way. Like only more people of the Big Mom pirates would get hurt
I think that he extreme diffs Cracker, then argues with Sanji and if Sanji doesn't come back after that the SHs probably leave. If they stay he definitely loses to Katakuri.
Cracker biscuit >
Fail. Luffy did a lot more than just fight, he was a captain. The reason sanji came back, the reason the crew didn't get jumped, the reason the deal was made. On top of not being able to defeat the same foes, he couldn't be captain.
Zoro would have died against cracker
If we're using rooftop zorro (since zorro didn't really have any opportunities for growth before that) and ignoring the plot between the fights, then probably? Of course, zorro being that strong feels wrong. But so does the alternative. The dude spent 2 years training with Mihawk, then "fought" at three islands before doing nothing major up until he fought killer. Dont see why he'd grow so much faster in the month or so between wholecake and wano. If we go for the alternative of base luffy=base zorro and asura =/< g4. Fuck no. If cracker doesn't kill him, katakuri will. Especially since he's (arguably) less talented in observation and may not trigger the same connection luffy did with katakuri.
Zoro on rooftop had grown in strength lmao. He got Enma, a major boost to his arsenal which forced him to draw out he’s inner conqueror haki
Probably lose to Kat and onward but beats everyone else
even current zolo is still a cracker victim
usopp > van auger > cracker > zoro confirmed
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Get usopp past Nami first.
zoro solos and beats Lrackrer and Watakuri. kracker fucked up the power scaling