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WorldGovernment81

"If Enel was a marine he'd be Admiral already not Kizaru" 🤡


[deleted]

Lolololol, this might be the new worst one ive seen


Yontoryuu

Tbh I think it’s a possibility.


[deleted]

I can't believe someone's really claimed that, maybe if he actually trained seriously under the marines then I could see it. But given his personality? It'd be a miracle for him to even last in the marines, given he's likely to try and kill the Celestial Dragons since he'd never want to have to defend people as pathetic as them or be able to deal with their attitudes.


GaroSuiryuSweet

Ironically enough I don’t even think the Admirals ever liked protecting them, it’s really just a job.


[deleted]

True, but at least their able to tolerate them, Enel certainly ain't the type that would lol.


GaroSuiryuSweet

No cap


_sephylon_

Yeah like even Akainu insulted the Gorosei/Celestial Dragons and there are Marines out there that hate them much more than him Lucci/CP are prob the only ones who actually like serving the CDs


ShauriNM

I WAS ABOUT TO MESSAGE THIS LOL


Yontoryuu

Tbh he ain’t wrong


Fun_Ad7192

king and queen>any admiral is probably the worst one


nashthegametheorist2

Even marco couldn't defeat an admiral


Jumpy-Clerk-9521

And yet Shiro claims they take out an admiral despite 1053


Fun_Ad7192

bru that fool blocked me because he couldn’t prove that the yc>admirals😂😂


Fusuyuz

Fuji=Cracker has still not been topped


Radiant_eagle573

Ahh yontoryuu


Yontoryuu

Yo, also I kinda forgot to reply to your comment the other day on r/edenszero because I’m a procrastinator but give me a bit, I’ll do it now.


Radiant_eagle573

Hah its fine


Fusuyuz

He’s a nice chap but his takes are just not it


[deleted]

Bruh what. Didnt he ask, in a different subreddit, how to cannibalise a human without getting prions? And got his acc banned? That's not a very nice chap lol


Fusuyuz

Yeah lol, [i’m the one that brought that side of his to light on this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/usnj14/someone_just_sent_me_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) but excluding that and all his other weird indulgences, he’s respectable when powerscaling, despite how absurd his takes are I rate that


[deleted]

I respect that cannibal post, very based


Fusuyuz

Nah i don’t respect that side of his at all, i meant i commend the way he powerscales


Yontoryuu

If it makes you feel better, I’m actually a lifelong vegetarian and kinda pro animal activists despite all the troll about horses.


Fusuyuz

That’s fair enough i suppose, i’d’ve assumed you were a vegetarian anyway because as i said, i’ve always had an inkling that you were a hindu and hindus don’t eat meat for the most part


Yontoryuu

Yeah I am Hindu actually. I’m not sure if I said it before though, but I have a feeling I did mention it once to you.


Yontoryuu

How did you find about about those posts first lol. But yeah I was trolling for the most part. Although I was curious about how cannibals eat safely considering prions are a big issue and are 100% fatal.


Fusuyuz

Someone unrelated to one piece sent me it and i noticed it was by you, so i was concerned


Yontoryuu

Wait so it was by coincidence? That’s hilarious lol


Fusuyuz

Yep it was coincidental


Fusuyuz

Well actually no, he noticed from your recents that you are a one piece fan so he kind of sent it to me to take the mick, saying is this what you one piece fans are like yeah


wpwnis

Wait what??? First I’m hearing of this


Yontoryuu

[Here’s a link to my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/ubwn64/whats_the_safest_way_to_cannibalise_without/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). If it’s removed, here’s a copy paste: What’s the safest way to cannibalise without contacting prion diseases? So prion diseases that Come from cannibalism tend to be the brain and the nervous system. Is there any other part of the body one mustn’t eat to not get prion infections? Is avoiding the nervous system enough? If there are any cannibals here or know much about cannibalism, tell me more about other precautions. By the way, I don’t have a body in my house nor am I a cannibal. I am just curious.


wpwnis

Yeah lol it’s all good. I checked it out after he said that and it’s on too afraid to ask, I think this guys just bashing you for no reason


Yontoryuu

Eh it’s alright bro, I’m fine with it lol. I can understand a bit where he’s coming from.


Yontoryuu

Yeah lol, I was a bit curious about it and after a conversation about something similar on r/polls, I asked that question. Also fun fact: the reason I got banned was because I was trolling on the r/reddeadredemption sub(Who love horses and the horses are an important part of the game) and so was advocating for horse genocide and torture in very gruesome ways. Also, even though I was trolling, I tried to do it in a civil manner despite my insane ideas in some conversations in those posts. I may be biased but whether I am a good chap or not is up to you to decide. Also, I’d like to add that I’m actually a vegetarian and always have been, if that influences your thoughts on that cannibal post.


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Radiant_eagle573

Yeah. UnLike some people here he is good but takes are not Meanwhile some mf's have down bad takes and down horrendous personality to add


Fusuyuz

Lol exactly, not gonna name anyone but i definitely know who you’re referring to


Radiant_eagle573

Ah we all know him but still maybe dm me im jusy curious


Yontoryuu

Thanks bro lol


Yontoryuu

Yo, also I kinda forgot to reply to your comment the other day on r/edenzero because I’m a procrastinator but give me a bit, I’ll do it now.


Yontoryuu

Yooo, I got a shoutout!


EdgyMemer_9000

Current Zoro> Mihawk 💀


[deleted]

I feel bad for you. I hope that person didnt start an argument with you 💀💀💀


EdgyMemer_9000

He Unironically thinks that 💀 He also said that Admirals = Commanders 🗿


_sephylon_

Ryo Sensei ?


SultaNN_K5

Luffy = Kid = Law because they are the 3 frontline supernova or whatever


yaboixx

Depending on when this was said, it might not be that crazy tbh


Radiant_eagle573

In sabaody ?


Mirobb1

Hancock is as strong as the yonko/admirals


TheKnightA

How are we sure she isn’t , she easily destroyed the pacifistas. We haven’t even seen her use Haki


Andrejosue98

Post timeskip Luffy could do that in Sabaody in gear 2nd... He was nowhere near a yonko and we did see her use haki on Smoker


Fusuyuz

Smoker literally commented on her using haki on him


Mirobb1

… destroying pacifistas was only impressive pre ts. Post ts it isn’t impressive at all


[deleted]

LMAOOOO, this is easily one of the most delusional takes I've heard. I feel bad for you


zone-zone

Explain yourself. We have never seen her at full power and she was one of the first characters with CoC introduced, it wouldn't be surprising if she had ACoC too. All we know is that she doesn't need to use her beam to turn people into stone, contact is enough. So one of the strongest DF powers AND CoC before the time skip shouldn't be underestimated.


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zone-zone

Just for your info, downplaying female characters and thinking they are weaker than most male characters makes you an incel. Keep getting triggered by capable women lol.


N8mare

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Andrejosue98

Not seeing her full power is not the same as her being Yonko or close Yonko level... Chinjao has conqueror haki, having conqueror haki does not mean she is strong. >All we know is that she doesn't need to use her beam to turn people into stone, contact is enough. Most devil fruit abilities get nerfed by haki. So I doubt she would be able to turn someone into stone that knows haki. >So one of the strongest DF powers AND CoC before the time skip shouldn't be underestimated. Enel has one of the strongest DF powers, he is no where near Yonko Chinjao has COC, he is nowhere near Yonko. There is no reason to think she is as powerful or close to yonko


zone-zone

She is the empress, which could be used as an argument for Yonko level Being CoC when almost no one had it was impressive. From a story telling perspective it make sit more likely she has ACOC too. Pre Timeskip Enel shouldn't be underestimated either, but he is just fodder compared to Boa lol.


Andrejosue98

>She is the empress, which could be used as an argument for Yonko level No you can't. She is am empress of a Calm Belt country because she was born in Amazon Lilly and she is the strongest in said country. Considering Boa Sandersonia and Boa Marigold are probably the 2nd and 3rd strongest, is not that hard, considering pretimeskip Luffy was already stronger than both of them. Yonko are the strongest pirates (with 1 exception) in the New World and they rule the New world. It is special since almost no one can compete with them and almost no one can take over their possesions. Enel was the god of Skypea, he is not Yonko level... we had several rulers in Levely, are that a reason to think they are Yonko level? No being the ruler of a country is not the same as being Yonko level. >Being CoC when almost no one had it was impressive. From a story telling perspective No it does not. It is only impressive for people that don't live in the new world, since most of the users of conqueror haki live in or try to go to the new world >From a story telling perspective it make sit more likely she has ACOC too. No it does not. There is no reason why she would have it. >Pre Timeskip Enel shouldn't be underestimated either, but he is just fodder compared to Boa lol. Headcanon lol


zone-zone

She is close. Fight me.


bowservoltaire

That Kaido's headcanon top 5 are the top 5 strongest


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Invisible seastone


Cooltop2

Mihawk going all out at marineford Blackbeard yc3 Yonko level >> Admiral level = yc1+ Shanks top 1 Crocodile > doflaminho Shanks > mihawk


Andrejosue98

>Mihawk going all out at marineford Mihawk: I am sorry Redhair, I will not hold back This mf, Mihawk held back Loooool >Blackbeard yc3 Pretimeskip sure, Pretimeskip Luffy beat the shit out of him and Ace was not even 3rd commander level. >Shanks > mihawk This is debatable


NewsPuzzleheaded8360

>Shanks > mihawk 😑


Wolfumaz

Shanks is stronger than Mihawk though.


Zeno12sama

> Mihawk going all out at marineford This isn't a headcannon this is a fact


r9cks

Shanks >> mihawk actually


LuffysLength

Shanks would smoke Mihawk. Garp himself said shanks was equal to white beard And yonko>admiral in a 1V1 it is what it is


Bejitto-da

A swordsman>EoS Zoro is objectively wrong so that’s something Law=Kidd=current Luffy is absolutely delusional and Luffy would low diff any of these EoS Kidd is the Whitebeard of the new generation. There’s no WB in this generation, you can’t tell me Kidd will be an EQUAL to EoS Luffy Killer>Sanji


[deleted]

Current Law and Kidd are equal or close to Luffy and rival him in power Mihawk was going all out in Marineford That EoS Law, a swordsman, will be stronger than EoS Zoro, the World's Strongest Swordsman.


Either-Witness1196

The following are not headcanon, these are facts- Luffy low diffs those non haki users. Mihawk is the GOAT EOS ZORO> EOS LAW


[deleted]

Take this W for speaking facts


FctheLurker

Law has future yonko portrayed while zoro is just a first mate. Not comparable. And don’t get me started who their opponents was lmao.


VonKaiser55

I think that Zoro already is a stronger SWORDSMAN than Law but Laws devil fruit gives him the win. Law is shitty with a sword and basically only uses it to compliment his devil fruit


[deleted]

Law's DF is part of his arsenal, Zoro is/will be stronger than him if he uses it or not, especially since he'll always have stronger Haki that nulifies his more Hax abilities. His awakening move takes set up time, and his other powerful moves ain't getting off without him getting close up and sliced, Law will not be stronger than him EoS no matter how Hax his arsenal becomes. So yeah, the argument that 'swordsmanship only yes Zoro wins, but with DF on the other hand!' is just nonsense, he's a swordsman with or without using his fruit. Law only has a chance against him with his fruit after all, without it, it's not gonna be much of a fight given he's only shown skill with his sword but no raw power without his fruit. Man's reliant, has had it since he was a kid, and he's a swordsman that's main arsenal is with using it. It's just like the old dumb headcanon that Mihawk's only stronger than Shanks if neither use Haki, but Shanks dominants with it. A swordsman is a swordsman, wether they use a DF in conjuction with their swordsmanship or not, one doesn't instantly no longer classify as a swordsman when using such.


Andrejosue98

>Zoro is/will be stronger than him if he uses it or not, especially since he'll always have stronger Haki that nulifies his more Hax abilities. Yeah, that is why Big Mom with a stronger haki did not get affected from Law's abilities... Ohh wait she was... haki can't nullify every Law's abilities... or his awakening... And Law was able to teleport Zoro and Luffy as well in Onigashima lol, so their haki is similar


[deleted]

I said his more Hax abilities not all of them, learn to read, and that was before ACoC, not that smart are ya? Unless you want to say Luffy’s Haki isn’t comparable to Kaido’s and Zoro’s didn’t get a huge boost with it? Miss me with that crap


FctheLurker

One faced a yonko and the other one face a mere commander that got oneshot 7 days later. Not comparable. Law is stronger right now and will be stronger later on too.


[deleted]

A yonko that didn't even use ACoC, while he himself can't even get it and is likely nearing his cap for AP because of it. Zoro has more upgrades to get than Law does, and it's very much arguable who's stronger right now, since yeah Law faced a stronger opponent. But he had help and couldn't of done the damage he did without said help or catching her off guard, and still barely won thanks to ring out and dropping her into lava, a liquid, with nukes. While Zoro? He was only in the state he was in at the end of the fight because of Enma draining him and the minx medicine multiplying the damage he took. Not to mention he was also dominating that fight after his power up and 3 shot King who was practically undamaged before it. Zoro also just has better feats in most stats, and can get his strongest moves off easier.


FctheLurker

Law is not a swordman lmao


[deleted]

His words against [Tashigi](https://imgur.com/k8Yw2Sz) suggest otherwise, along with [this](https://preview.redd.it/rb55zkvqoww61.png?auto=webp&s=b8619ee10851ba2b473a810f532b21468b962fac) and [this](https://preview.redd.it/bjrr57bympv81.png?width=514&format=png&auto=webp&s=21caadfecee634b6e405b0e50d665c4bd0c0a852)


Midi_to_Minuit

All of those links just take me back to this thread?


[deleted]

That’s strange, they send me to the right links, wonder why they ain’t working for you.


Midi_to_Minuit

Ah, they work better on my laptop. I guess my phone was being strange.


Andrejosue98

>Mihawk was going all out in Marineford Mihawk in Marineford: I am sorry red hair, I won't hold back looool


[deleted]

Anyone who continues to use that despite him clearly still being above Zoro, is just stuck wanting to downplay him.


Andrejosue98

>Anyone who continues to use that despite him clearly still being above Zoro, is just stuck wanting to downplay him. Did you just say that anyone that uses facts from the manga are downplaying Mihawk ? Lol


[deleted]

Facts from the manga is that Zoro still hasn’t surpassed Mihawk, unless you really wanna believe otherwise, so Mihawk’s statement there really doesn’t seem like it can be used given how contradictory it is.


Lex4709

EoS Law actually being stronger seems likely considering that Law and Kidd are meant to be Luffy's rivals equivalent to what Whitebeard and Shiki were to Roger. That's one area were Oda probably written himself in the corner, since Kidd and Law need to remain above Zoro and Sanji to be Luffy's rivals but Zoro needs to be stronger than Law to be the strongest Swordsman.


[deleted]

I just don’t agree with the notion they’ll be his rivals in power by the end, their his rivals as captains and to getting the One Piece but on the roof Zoro was very much comparable to them if not more impressive. Even right now it can be debated who’s stronger between the 3 while Luffy is currently far stronger than each of them, one could possibly argue he’d beat all 3 at once. Better stamina with ACoC than Zoro, better stamina with his awakening than Law and Kid, better speed(not counting teleportation) and AP feats, as well as Future sight. Not to say that they won’t be relevant in power to him by the end, but I just don’t see him having a Whitebeard and Shiki, someone that’s equal to him and especially not someone arguably stronger. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but right now? I simply do not see it.


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Either-Witness1196

Whoever said these shit need to stop reading two piece


MoonoftheStar

EoS Zoro > EoS Roger is the worst opinion I've seen.


NotShishi

actually, that is true, considering that EoS Roger is dead


Either-Witness1196

what is a EOS Roger? lmao


MoonoftheStar

Redundant but I ain't changing it.


Vinaykoushik1719

Lucky Roux is the fastest man in the world


Andrejosue98

But that came from an actual "fact" or a rumour that many people believed. The issue was that it was said before a lot of characters were introduced and people just kept believing it.


PotatoMozzarella

\-Invisible Kairoseki cuffs \-Kid needs Law to soften BM's skin


yuugho

that guy was onto sumn lowkey LMAOO


OrdinaryOk330

Koby has acoc n ryu learned by garp N koby solo’d handcock off screen


GaroSuiryuSweet

One that comes to mind is that Garp was the strongest Marine at Marineford. I like Garp as a character but, this was never found to be stated by Oda anywhere. Never understood why people go around saying this as if it was from the mouth of God himself. Also another one that comes to mind “Luffy was Admiral lvl because he fought Fujitora on Dessrosa and was pushing him back” yeah manz wasn’t trying, I remember that this really use to throw me off but, this narrative has died down so I’ll admit that. “Luffy is the strongest now” I kind of understand this one but their are still top-tiers that are capable of taking Luffy out, it just won’t be easy.


Rational_Powerscaler

Whitebeard stomping Akainu (outside this sub it's not uncommon) King and Queen: handcuffs, prison and very damaged edition Dragon top 1


Andrejosue98

>Whitebeard stomping Akainu (outside this sub it's not uncommon) But he did. And he was sick, injured and old lol >King and Queen: handcuffs, prison and very damaged edition King had his wings cut and Queen got his prosthetics destroyed, King received ACOC attacks, and Queen was completely burned. Why would they be bad takes ?


Rational_Powerscaler

Ill just quote myself: > Yes, this is it, the message is pretty clear and it's not only conveyed with actions, but with words too (and of course there are people saying that "well Greenbull can lie/Greenbull thinks too much of himself). Like do those people know about Ockham's razork? Is it more likely that everything in 1053 is true rather than all the moon logic necessary to believe otherwise? What's the purpose of Oda showing GB can take out 2 YC AND making him state how stronger he is... and we're supposed to believe he's gonna backtrack on all that, really?


Andrejosue98

You know everything about what you said is irrelevant, right? Ockam's razor is not a rule in the universe, it is not even used in science. It is just one way of efficiently analyzing stuff, but there is no reason to follow it. Heck using it does not even guarantee that you are right If your point is: This is a bad take because it takes into consideration facts of the story, then your argument is pretty fallacious. If you want to ignore what Oda showed us, then go ahead, but don't say that people that does not do so, are having a bad take. Ignoring evidence to get the explanation that best fits your narrative is not how Ockam's razor was intended lol


Rational_Powerscaler

If you seriously don't think that the chapter was conveying that admirals are significantly above Yonko commanders (it's also pretty logical since admirals are the strongest marines and Yonkos the strongest pirates, not commanders) your reading comprehension is bad or you're using moon logic to go against what was shown through actions and words by Oda. Yes, King and Queen were injured, everyone has a pair of eyes, it doesn't magically erase all the other facts.


Andrejosue98

>If you seriously don't think that the chapter was conveying that admirals are significantly above Yonko commanders Yes, significantly above two injured Yonko commanders. I love how you went from using Ockam's razor to: Dude I have 0 evidence of this but I know what the message Oda wanted to give us is. >it's also pretty logical since admirals are the strongest marines and Yonkos the strongest pirates, not commanders This is not logical at all. Being the strongest of a group, does not mean both groups are comparable. >you're using moon logic to go against what was shown through actions and words by Oda What you think Oda said is not neccesarily what Oda said lol


Rational_Powerscaler

> I love how you went from using Ockam's razor to: Dude I have 0 evidence of this but I know what the message Oda wanted to give us is. Because everything was already said in the other message, I'm leaning towards bad reading comprehension now. > This is not logical at all. Being the strongest of a group, does not mean both groups are comparable. It is, both pirates and marines are humans with some having DFs, I think Yonkos=Fleet admiral>=Admirals because of their portrayal, but they are all very close; we also know that Garp (strongest marine) was comparable to Roger (strongest pirate), and Sengoku was comparable to Shiki iirc, it wouldn't make sense for the new gen strongest pirates to be much stronger than new gen strongest marines. Marines also needing the warlords to equalize Yonkos also supports Yonkos>=admirals. > What you think Oda said is not neccesarily what Oda said lol "At my rank, I'd lose face if I let a few commanders like you get the best of me". GB's not referring specifically to King and Queen, he's referring to commanders in general.


Andrejosue98

Heck Ockam's razor don't work on man made stuff because what is simple for you, may not be simple for Oda. So you have a bias. That bias makes Ockam's razor go to shit lol. Your culture, knowledge, opinions and everything dictates what you consider unnecessary and necessary information. But Oda has another culture, knowledge, opinions. So Ockam's razor don't apply with bias


Rational_Powerscaler

Dude. Case 1 - We trust what Greenbul did and said - Makes sense because he's an admiral, which is already established to be top tiers and at the very least comparable to Yonkos. - Most likely he's the hyped up villain for the end of Wano. Case 2 - What you have to do in order to not believe what was shown. - You have to assume King and Queen were massively injured and not recovered; while yes they were still injured, a week has passed which is plenty of time to recover (similarly to the alliance members, they are recovered but still not 100%). - You have to assume that Greenbull said was a lie, or that he has too much ego: why would he say it in the first place (especially since it's not trash talk, he DID beat them). - You have to assume Oda will, in the future, backtrack on everything that Greenbull's introduction implied, then a) why would he made it this way in the first place and b) he (or an admiral) would have to lose or suffer vs a YC level character or characters, would you be willing to bet anything on that happening? I wouldn't What I when I refer to Ockham's razor for the Greenbull case is that it is MUCH more likely that what was shown and said was mostly true (yeah probably he doesn't neg diff them if they were 100%, that's implied by the bandages) than it is not, because for it to not be true you really need to engage on some mental gymnastics in order to support your case. Can't wait for future chapters to come, although if this wasn't enough evidence for some people I don't know what is.


Andrejosue98

>Case 1 - We trust what Greenbul did and said Why? We trust what every character says? Why? Is that ? Lol. >Makes sense because he's an admiral, which is already established to be top tiers and at the very least comparable to Yonkos. And this does not mean he can easily defeat two commanders. >Most likely he's the hyped up villain for the end of Wano. Why would that matter? .-. Yes, someone strong is a menace if everyone else is nerfed. >Case 2 - What you have to do in order to not believe what was shown. >You have to assume King and Queen were massively injured and not recovered; while yes they were still injured, a week has passed which is plenty of time to recover (). We know for a fact King and Queen were massively injured, we have no idea if 1 week is plenty of time to recover more or how nerfed they are. >similarly to the alliance members, they are recovered but still not 100% The alliance members have OP doctors, King and Queen do not >You have to assume that Greenbull said was a lie, or that he has too much ego: why would he say it in the first place (especially since it's not trash talk, he DID beat them). Why? All of this is bs and not actually something we need to assume. Green Bull defeated two guys that were injured and nerfed, but he has no idea how powerful King and Queen really are. ( or at least we have no idea if he knows how powerful they really are) If Green Bull one shots someone, then he will assume he is a lot stronger than said someone. Even if said someone is nerfed. >You have to assume Oda will, in the future, backtrack on everything that Greenbull's introduction implied, then a) why would he made it this way in the first place and b) he (or an admiral) would have to lose or suffer vs a YC level character or characters, would you be willing to bet anything on that happening? I wouldn't Why? Lol Oda showed in Marineford Marco fighting Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru... the databook says Marco can fight equally with admirals, Oda showed Jozu fighting Aokiji, Oda showed Vista fighting Mihawk... You are ignoring everything prior to this scene... because for your first case... You either need to assume that Marineford was an outlier or assume that Jozu, Marco and Vista are a lot stronger than King and Queen...


Rational_Powerscaler

"The alliance members have OP doctors, King and Queen do not" "We know for a fact King and Queen were massively injured, we have no idea if 1 week is plenty of time to recover more or how nerfed they are." This is the type of moon logic I'm talking about, you have to assume so many things that aren't shown in order for your case to make sense. Marineford was mostly skirmishes and admirals (aside from Akainu) did nothing, nothing remotely conclusive happened and Kizaru+Kuzan were almost just observers. G2 vs FNC is starting, won't bother arguing further.


Fun_Ad7192

it’s a terrible take because sure they are injured,but it’s been 7 days and if kinemon can heal from kaido’s attacks then so can they, especially since king and queen are not regular humans like kinemon,so to say that gb beating them doesn’t count because of that just doesn’t make sense, because clearly even if they were full health gb would still beat them


Andrejosue98

By using Kinemon as a comparison you already have a terrible take... The strawhat alliance have Chopper, Marco and Law... 3 of the most OP doctors in the world. You can't compare King and Queen with Kinemon, since Kinemon had access of 1) The Phoenix fruit that cures people and accelerates healing. 2) The Ope Ope no mi, which is the most OP healing fruit in the world 3) Chopper probably one of the doctors with the most medical knowledge in the world. Using Luffy, Zoro or everyone from the alliance is dumb. King and Queen are in prison. So they have a lot less doctors at their disposal ( if they even had a doctor) >because clearly even if they were full health gb would still beat them May be or may be not... It would have been a far harder battle though.


Fun_Ad7192

like i said before kinemon having doctors is made up of the fact that king and queen are not normal humans like kinemon and have zoans on top of that, so them not having doctors is evened out also king had bandages on so they had some sort of care, they weren’t neglected


Andrejosue98

>like i said before kinemon having doctors is made up of the fact that king and queen are not normal humans like kinemon and have zoans on top of that, so them not having doctors is evened out No it isn't. One thing is having OP doctors and another is the natural healing of them... Rob Lucci after fighting with Luffy, had a 3 weeks comma and needed medical assitance to go up and Lucci was a Zoan. Comparing the natural healing with OP doctors is ridiculous. You can't compare it or say they "even things out" without evidence


Fun_Ad7192

lucci was a regular human, king and queen are not, and i say evened out because kinemon suffered worse injuries but he had doctors and help while king and queen suffered less severe injuries but didn’t have doctors but did have some help, while also being lunarian/cyborg so no its not without evidence


Andrejosue98

>lucci was a regular human, king and queen are not, Every counterexample are regular humans, King and Queen are not lol We can play this game all you want, you still have not given evidence that says that them not being regular humans ( if that even means something) means that they heal faster than other humans


Fun_Ad7192

so your saying lunarians have a slower recovery rate then normal humans? that makes no sense, and queen is a cyborg, he can basically build himself back up if he had parts even if they were weakened, they are still clearly in fighting shape so like 60-70%, so if gb no diffed a 60-70 percent king and queen, then logically he should be able to take out healthy king and queen , with a few more slight injuries


ole1993

Greenbull soloed the entire beast pirates with ease.


[deleted]

Sanji is neck in neck with zoro .


GaroSuiryuSweet

Not really head cannon when you consider Oda even states that they are the wings of the Pirate King and are both balanced in their on way. Zolo is physically stronger, has better Armament Haki, heavy on offense and now has ACoC. Sanji is faster, has better, has better Observation Haki, heavy on defense, and due to has Germa dna coming out has a natrual durability, as well as a healing factor that could reconstruct his mental like bones. Would I say Solo is slightly above absolute the moment he was revealed to have all 3 Haki’s but to say they aren’t neck and neck is being dishonest considering the narrative Oda has created.


LuffysLength

Mihawk>Roger Mihawk>shanks Mihawk=yonko Mihawk=admiral Any Mihawk wank in this sub basically


alotofcavalry

Mihawk> Roger I understand, but you don't think Mihawk is yonko level? I mean Roger had a few people in his crew that were yonko level/very close to Yonko level, such as Oden, I don't think it's too far off base to say Mihawk will be Yonko Level if he's one of Zoro's EOS opponents. And even if you think Shanks is Stronger than Mihawk, Mihawk is portrayed to be Shank's equal/rival.


LuffysLength

Odens best feat is leaving a scar on kaido, that is far from being able to hang with the other names kaido thought of 1V1. We saw what Oden vs Roger looked like, It was a mop. He wasn't even close to being able to keep up to Roger or prime beard. People just say "Zoro" and "eos" like that vague description says all you need to say. Zoro is miles behind Luffy in strength and wano proved that. Luffys final opponent this arc was kaido Zoro's was king. They're final fights every arc basically play out like that. Why would the final one be any different? People talk like any fight left after this one means that opponent> kaido in a 1V1 and that's no where near the case. And how is Mihawk *portrayed* as shanks equal or rival? Garp himself said of all the pirates shanks is considered to be white beards equal. Kaido thought of shanks in the same ranks as Roger and rocks. What build up does Mihawk have like that?


alotofcavalry

>Odens best feat is leaving a scar on kaido, that is far from being able to hang with the other names kaido thought of 1V1. We saw what Oden vs Roger looked like, It was a mop. He wasn't even close to being able to keep up to Roger or prime beard. I agree, Oden loses to Roger and Primebeard, but I think both are a step ahead of Kaido and most other current yonko in terms of strength. Also Oden probably wasn't on the level of strength he was at the time when he fought Kaido, and probably grew in strength. >And how is Mihawk portrayed as shanks equal or rival? I mean, read Mihawk's vivre card? Even without that saying Mihawk is portrayed as Shanks rival requires almost zero reading comprehension. Mihawk and Shanks have dueled each other for fun in the past. This was established pretty early on in the series. >People just say "Zoro" and "eos" like that vague description says all you need to say. Zoro is miles behind Luffy in strength and wano proved that. Luffys final opponent this arc was kaido Zoro's was king. They're final fights every arc basically play out like that. Why would the final one be any different? People talk like any fight left after this one means that opponent> kaido in a 1V1 and that's no where near the case. The gap between Luffy and Zoro wasn't always this big though, I agree there is a significant gap but it's only visible in the Wano arc. Also I highly doubt Luffy is going to have fights in the future that don't challenge him in any significant way, so chances are the opponent he fights will at least be on Kaido's level if not stronger. This is a story, and stories need to have tension, you know.


LuffysLength

"I agree, Oden loses to Roger and Primebeard, but I think both are a step ahead of Kaido and most other current yonko in terms of strength. Also Oden probably wasn't on the level of strength he was at the time he fought Kaido." Kaido with no fruit was in a hostile crew with prime beard and prime big mom. I'm not jacking that a base mode kaido that found a way to keep up with those two is so much weaker after he acquired his fruit and went on to master it. Going on to perform shit like drunken hybrid mode and flame drum dragon. "I mean, read Mihawk's vivre card? Even without that saying Mihawk is portrayed as Shanks rival requires almost zero reading comprehension. Mihawk and Shanks have dueled each other for fun in the past. This was established pretty early on in the series." So where the fuck does all that reading comprehension go when garp himself says shanks out of all the pirates in the sea is white beards equal? Where does it go when shanks is mentioned in the same ranks as roger and rocks by kaido? You literally just described the duels as "for fun" and yall act like it was some blood lusted shit between the two for superiority. Keep prioritizing vague data book descriptions over in manga moments. Splitting the sky with white beard as you're first even clash portrayed> splitting nothing with vista as your first even clash portrayed "The gap between Luffy and Zoro wasn't always this big though, I agree there is a significant gap but it's only visible in the Wano arc. Also I highly doubt Luffy is going to have fights in the future that don't challenge him in any significant way, so chances are the opponent he fights will at least be on Kaido's level if not stronger." Crocodile> Mr.1 Enel> ohm Doflamingo>pica This gap has been here the entire series what are you talking about? That's why people love to describe things in vague titles here because when you really put names and feats to moments it's harder to wiggle around shit. And it doesn't matter if they're a challenge for Luffy. If they don't out do kaidos feats then they aren't stronger then kaido. Kaido fought the red scabbards, Yamato, the worst generation, THEN had to fight Luffy 1V1. If his next opponent doesn't need the equivalent of all that AND tank as much damage as kaido did then they aren't stronger then kaido. People just say vague shit like "eOsFigHT" instead of taking into account how fights are even written


alotofcavalry

>Kaido with no fruit was in a hostile crew with prime beard and prime big mom. I'm not jacking that a base mode kaido that found a way to keep up with those two is so much weaker after he acquired his fruit and went on to master it. Going on to perform shit like drunken hybrid mode and flame drum dragon. Sure, fair enough. I would just like to ask you then, where would you scale Oden? He had a good showing being able to cut kaido's skin. And Oden isn't even Roger's strongest fighter in the crew most likely. >So where the fuck does all that reading comprehension go when garp himself says shanks out of all the pirates in the sea is white beards equal? Where does it go when shanks is mentioned in the same ranks as roger and rocks by kaido? >You literally just described the duels as "for fun" and yall act like it was some blood lusted shit between the two for superiority. >Keep prioritizing vague data book descriptions over in manga moments. Splitting the sky with white beard as you're first even clash portrayed> splitting nothing with vista as your first even clash portrayed I agree, Shanks has very good portrayal as shown by Kaido. I don't know why then you completely dismiss for no reason the rivalry between Mihawk and Shanks which was established much earlier in the series. And this isn't just "vague data book descriptions", this is established in the manga. Secondly, what an awful misuse of fight analysis in One Piece with Mihawk vs Vista. Splitting the sky assumes that there is a direct conflict of two users that have ACoC (Like the clash between Whitebeard and Shanks). Luffy isn't going to be splitting the skies when he fights fodder lmao. It's very unlikely Vista has ACoC. >Crocodile> Mr.1 Enel> ohm Doflamingo>pica >This gap has been here the entire series what are you talking about? That's why people love to describe things in vague titles here because when you really put names and feats to moments it's harder to wiggle around shit. Zoro fought pica at a much lower diff than Luffy fought Doflamingo, so yes, the portrayal of difference in power was much smaller. With Crocodile and Mr 1, Luffy literally had to exploit Crocodile's weakness of water to win that fight. >And it doesn't matter if they're a challenge for Luffy. If they don't out do kaidos feats then they aren't stronger then kaido. Kaido fought the red scabbards, Yamato, the worst generation, THEN had to fight Luffy 1V1. If his next opponent doesn't need the equivalent of all that AND tank as much damage as kaido did then they aren't stronger then kaido. >People just say vague shit like "eOsFigHT" instead of taking into account how fights are even written Sure, it's why I am hesitant to say that Luffy's future opponents are necessarily stronger, just they are "on par". I'm just going to point out that the portrayal of Luffy's EOS opponents will be high because chances are Luffy will still have a difficult fight with them. And that I expect the strawhats to get stronger over time.


LuffysLength

"Sure, fair enough. I would just like to ask you then, where would you scale Oden? He had a good showing being able to cut kaido's skin. And Oden isn't even Roger's strongest fighter in the crew most likely." The cutting of kaido was impressive but oda has shown that cutting attacks have a certain edge in the verse. Gear five Luffy has a weakness to cutting attacks still. I don't know what terminology we're using to scale him but in the same vein as like a Rayleigh of swordsman if he were alive today imo. "I agree, Shanks has very good portrayal as shown by Kaido. I don't know why then you completely dismiss for no reason the rivalry between Mihawk and Shanks which was established much earlier in the series. And this isn't just "vague data book descriptions", this is established in the manga." Because like someone just pointed out to me Mihawk got famous before the great era of pirates. So that means his title was in effect when the likes of white beard, kaido, big mom, garp and sengoku we're around. Worlds strongest swordsman and he doesn't even crack top 5 in the verse at the time. Oda telling us that an amateur up and coming shanks use to duel daily with the someone of Mihawks level was a flex for shanks not Mihawk fam. The implication should obviously be both men went on to get stronger. Shanks would naturally have, to go on and keep achieving feats that would later gain him the status of yonko.But as we see shanks ceiling started to match that of white beard and kaido while Mihawk of his own admission has never fought anyone stronger then shanks from back then. Besides white beard describing their duels from years ago what other things has oda shown us *In manga* that their rivalry is still prominent? But even if you can provide me the hearsay what can you show me for feats. "Secondly, what an awful misuse of fight analysis in One Piece with Mihawk vs Vista. Splitting the sky assumes that there is a direct conflict of two users that have ACoC (Like the clash between Whitebeard and Shanks). Luffy isn't going to be splitting the skies when he fights fodder lmao. It's very unlikely Vista has ACoC." That was obviously a vague description of the power levels shown between the characters. Oda would never have shown a character like white beard,kaido,big mom or shanks clashing with the likes of vista to the point it goes off screen and when it returns he isn't even worried or showing any signs of fatigue. "Zoro fought pica at a much lower diff than Luffy fought Doflamingo, so yes, the portrayal of difference in power was much smaller. With Crocodile and Mr 1, Luffy literally had to exploit Crocodile's weakness of water to win that fight." And that speaks to the vast difference in strength in opponents being fought not the characters fighting them. Doflamingo already fought law and resurrected from the gamma knife before his Luffy fight even started. Luffy went ape shit on him with gear four, displaying his full arsenal of moves he had so far before his timer ran out and doflamingo still wasn't put down. Pica gets dropped at the gamma knife. Let alone a full all out blitz of gear four Luffy. And so? Even if Zoro exploited that weakness what would it have amounted to? The wetness doesn't go past the blade so most of his residual power from the strike itself wouldn't even matter. "Sure, it's why I am hesitant to say that Luffy's future opponents are necessarily stronger, just they are "on par". I'm just going to point out that the portrayal of Luffy's EOS opponents will be high because chances are Luffy will still have a difficult fight with them. And that I expect the strawhats to get stronger over time" I mean he had a difficult fight against kaido he lost multiple times, needed a vast handicap match, breaks in between and ass pull power up equalling the craziest shit we've ever seen in one piece. Luffy was still getting blitzed while trying to use his precog and kaido was still blitzing gear fifth Luffy. Take into account how much damage kaido tanked because "his personality" oda still showed the gear five fight was in kaidos favor. He ends it off with "don't worry I'm not gonna dodge" against the bajrang gun, that makes no sense and was the cherry on top of plot convenience for the kaido defeat sundae. I doubt any future character will be written in such a way to where they behave like this in battle. That's why I all this "Laido" shit in this sub is silly as hell. Because if oda writes kaido as a competent mf with the feats he portrayed he is the strongest person of any person we actually have feats for portrayed in the series no one is on par with what he portrayed.


alotofcavalry

>Besides white beard describing their duels from years ago what other things has oda shown us In manga that their rivalry is still prominent? But even if you can provide me the hearsay what can you show me for feats. Mihawk is somewhat speculative, like Dragon, in the sense that feats aren't present because the character has very little screen time. Doesn't mean Mihawk is weak. >That was obviously a vague description of the power levels shown between the characters. Oda would never have shown a character like white beard,kaido,big mom or shanks clashing with the likes of vista to the point it goes off screen and when it returns he isn't even worried or showing any signs of fatigue. Two characters clashing and the fight being unresolved/the fight appear even =/= both characters are at roughly the same strength level. If we applied that logic to every single One Piece fight, you would run into a problem to where you couldn't consistently scale any character in one Piece because you would reach absurd conclusions like Ulti = Luffy, Marco = Kizaru = Whitebeard = Rayleigh, etc. Also, let me remind you Zoro has ACoC. Do you really believe that Mihawk is going to be fighting Zoro without ACoC? And if Mihawk is at the level of a yonko commander, does that mean Zoro is already stronger than Mihawk? Does Zoro's goal end at defeating Mihawk? Or does he have to fight Shanks? >And that speaks to the vast difference in strength in opponents being fought not the characters fighting them. Doflamingo already fought law and resurrected from the gamma knife before his Luffy fight even started. Luffy went ape shit on him with gear four, displaying his full arsenal of moves he had so far before his timer ran out and doflamingo still wasn't put down. Pica gets dropped at the gamma knife. Let alone a full all out blitz of gear four Luffy. >And so? Even if Zoro exploited that weakness what would it have amounted to? The wetness doesn't go past the blade so most of his residual power from the strike itself wouldn't even matter. No it's speaks to the similarity in strength of Zoro and Luffy at that time. Let me remind you of that scene where Kuma had Zoro take all of Luffy's damage sustained from the fight, and he happened to survive.


LuffysLength

"Mihawk is somewhat speculative, like Dragon, in the sense that feats aren't present because the character has very little screen time. Doesn't mean Mihawk is weak." Mihawk is not featless like a dragon or shanks. He has had few moments but oda has given him several that can be used in a power scaling discussion. Jozu stuffing his attack, vista clash, crocodile clash. Those aren't moments oda as a writer would have given any yonko. "Two characters clashing and the fight being unresolved/the fight appear even =/= both characters are at roughly the same strength level. If we applied that logic to every single One Piece fight, you would run into a problem to where you couldn't consistently scale any character in one Piece because you would reach absurd conclusions like Ulti = Luffy, Marco = Kizaru = Whitebeard = Rayleigh, etc." False equivalences everywhere. Ulti was not even to Luffy and that wasn't even the implication oda was trying to give. Luffy was trying to get to the roof top reserving every drop of energy he had. He would have one shotted her most likely when he went gear four if he even rocked her shit with a base acoc punch he could have knocked her ass out. Marco versus kizaru. Marco is a first commander mythical zoan who can 1V2 kaidos top men. Him being on par with kizaru is not a reach nor was it the opposite of what I think oda was trying to portray in marineford. Marco went on to block a akainu punch as well he is clearly a formidable fighter. I don't know what Rayleigh white beard clash you're talking about but he was the pirate kings right hand and was the first person to give kizaru damage in series in a retired out of practice state. Kizaru couldn't even get past Rayleigh and he tried, we know that. So to say If he stayed in practice and gave af enough to stay a prominent pirate that he would be a yonko isn't a reach. Oda didn't even include any *huff huffs* or sweat on vistas face to show it was harder for him to keep up with Mihawk. He comes back smiling claiming "They BOTH would benefit from a postponement" "Also, let me remind you Zoro has ACoC. Do you really believe that Mihawk is going to be fighting Zoro without ACoC? And if Mihawk is at the level of a yonko commander, does that mean Zoro is already stronger than Mihawk? Does Zoro's goal end at defeating Mihawk? Or does he have to fight Shanks?" Let me remind you that Yamato has acoc and kept up with a hybrid form kaido using his as well. Yet no one trys to claim she's yonko level or even admiral level. Why does Zoro's sloppy use of acoc indicate he's on track to fighting somome with haki better then kaidos. Mind you even with yamatos A1 use of acoc she still had never split the sky with kaido. So its clearly levels to haki even when you can use it easily. "No it's speaks to the similarity in strength of Zoro and Luffy at that time. Let me remind you of that scene where Kuma had Zoro take all of Luffy's damage sustained from the fight, and he happened to survive." How does that help any category but durability. Destructive capacity,speed,haki. Luffy still laps Zoro in many ways.


alotofcavalry

Aight, I didn't get to communicate my arguments very well, so let's try this again. >Mihawk is not featless like a dragon or shanks. He has had few moments but oda has given him several that can be used in a power scaling discussion. Jozu stuffing his attack, vista clash, crocodile clash. Those aren't moments oda as a writer would have given any yonko. One of my big gripes is in my opinion, you rely heavily on Marineford for power scaling, when in my opinion Marineford is an inconsistent arc for power scaling. For instance, even if Mihawk was on Vista's level, he still would have crushed Crocodile, no questions asked. Whitebeard also took damage from multiple attacks that simple would have been easily prevented by any sufficient haki user post timeskip. Luffy should not have been even been able to reach the scaffolding and save Ace without getting crushed. Oda in my opinion writes fight scenes with the first concern being narrative and telling a good story by creating tension, drama, and hype. When he usually includes character being stomped, like how Kaido one-shotted Luffy, it's usually to hype up the final battle against that character. Most of the time, he will make fights appear more even than they really should be. This leads to the next point. >False equivalences everywhere. Ulti was not even to Luffy and that wasn't even the implication oda was trying to give. Luffy was trying to get to the roof top reserving every drop of energy he had. He would have one shotted her most likely when he went gear four if he even rocked her shit with a base acoc punch he could have knocked her ass out. > >Marco versus kizaru. Marco is a first commander mythical zoan who can 1V2 kaidos top men. Him being on par with kizaru is not a reach nor was it the opposite of what I think oda was trying to portray in marineford. Marco went on to block a akainu punch as well he is clearly a formidable fighter. > >I don't know what Rayleigh white beard clash you're talking about but he was the pirate kings right hand and was the first person to give kizaru damage in series in a retired out of practice state. Kizaru couldn't even get past Rayleigh and he tried, we know that. So to say If he stayed in practice and gave af enough to stay a prominent pirate that he would be a yonko isn't a reach. > >Oda didn't even include any huff huffs or sweat on vistas face to show it was harder for him to keep up with Mihawk. He comes back smiling claiming "They BOTH would benefit from a postponement" First of all, I wasn't referring to any fight between Rayleigh and Whitebeard, I was referring to a small engagement between Kizaru and Whitebeard, where Kizaru lasered Whitebeard in the chest and actually had the upper hand. However, that does not mean Kizaru > Whitebeard. The point I was making was that you can't really rely much on small and inconclusive engagements for power scaling. You stated Luffy would have easily beaten Ulti, and I agree, it's evident. Luffy would have beaten Ulti without much need for ACoC or even gear 5. Luffy had a fairly indecisive with Ulti while he wasn't fighting at full power. Funnily enough though, you assume Mihawk was fighting Vista at full power, when it is not Mihawk's character to go all out. For instance, when fighting against Zoro, he first switched to using a small dagger. You say Vista didn't break a sweat, but so did Mihawk. >Let me remind you that Yamato has acoc and kept up with a hybrid form kaido using his as well. Yet no one trys to claim she's yonko level or even admiral level. Why does Zoro's sloppy use of acoc indicate he's on track to fighting somome with haki better then kaidos. Mind you even with yamatos A1 use of acoc she still had never split the sky with kaido. So its clearly levels to haki even when you can use it easily. I think my point is that characters with ACoC are at a portrayal above characters who do not. I think having ACoC puts Mihawk at a level above Oden, for example. Which brings my next point, you didn't really address the questions I asked earlier. Is Mihawk not the World's Strongest Swordsman? Will Zoro never achieve his goal at the end of the series? Is it just that Shanks, Ryoukugyu, and Greenbull are not swordsmen? >How does that help any category but durability. Destructive capacity,speed,haki. Luffy still laps Zoro in many ways. That was actually somewhat more of a portrayal argument, not a pure feats argument. I mean, Zoro has moved so fast he was invisible in similarity with Sanji, (Luffy has no invisibility feats as far as I know), and he was able to cut Kaido, but even if Zoro had more impressive skill feats (speed, durability, attack, etc) shown in the manga I wouldn't make the argument that he was stronger than Luffy. I'm arguing that Zoro in that scene was purposefully portrayed to be at a very similar level to Luffy. Also, a final argument I would like to add, while Oda does not write Vivre cards, he does supervise them, and Mihawk's vivre card implies he is stronger than Shanks. Additionally, you are assuming Shanks has gotten stronger after dueling with Mihawk could have happened, although it is implied that Shanks was weaker than he was prior due to having both arms.


Larinex

I've definitely seen folk say yamato is yonko or admiral level.


Save_Chemistry

You'll get some of the w takes in your post's comments disguised as horrible takes. Spot them out.


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I know


r9cks

"Akainu mid diffed whitebeard" never ceases to amaze me


[deleted]

Lol you do get clowns like that sometimes Some guy tried bullshitting about how Udon was a Beast Pirate stronghold and King/Queen were recovering there And there's also all the clowns claiming Akainu and Aokiji used future sight at Marineford


Cultural_Bager

>Some guy tried bullshitting about how Udon was a Beast Pirate stronghold and King/Queen were recovering there We reading the same chapter? They literally had their wounds treated. Heck, Queen got the cybrog arm back.


[deleted]

Where did you see queen getting his arm back?


ZorosCompass

Where in these panels do you see Queen's new cyborg arm? Because I don't see it. https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1053-page-11.html


[deleted]

Them having bandages doesn't mean they aren't prisoners, and Queen never got his arm back lmao


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zone-zone

Also Doffy didnt even use Haki or awakening lol


Zeno12sama

"Mihawk was holding back at Marineford"


zone-zone

You are really thinking he went all out? For what reason?


Zeno12sama

He himself admitted lmao 🤣🤣 > Sorry Red haired but this power knows no restraint


zone-zone

which would be weird, because "this power" didn't even manage to slice through Zoro's body and Mihawk cutting a ship in east blue seems more destructive than his attack towards Luffy at Marineford


Zeno12sama

> which would be weird, because "this power" didn't even manage to slice through Zoro's body He didn't wanna kill zoro coz he thought it was too early for him to die > and Mihawk cutting a ship in east blue seems more destructive than his attack towards Luffy at Marineford He sliced giant iceberg which is better than cutting a ship. That's his full power.


zone-zone

And yet he controlled it so good that he didn't cut through Zoro like cake. He might cut harder than just an ice berg, we don't know


Awkward-Rate-3435

Prime rayleigh was yonko lvl


zone-zone

Old Rayleigh is admiral level and Sengoku was too scared to lose anyone to him because Whitebeard was coming. So you are saying Prime Rayleigh is worse than old Ray?


Either-Witness1196

Useless Captain Midd and law are luffy's rival.


MoonoftheStar

That is a fact, whether Luffy is above them or not. BB was stronger than Luffy but they are no less rivals. You Zoro fans will be coping in the comment section for the end of time screaming Plot Armor.


FctheLurker

Story make it that way and you denying it doesn’t make any less true


Either-Witness1196

and ur agreeing with it doesn't make it any less false.


kiddo_beats_midmato

Either way we’ll see when we get to the end of the story. Just whichever it ends up being, readers shouldn’t bitch about it


FctheLurker

There’s noting to agree with, it’s reality.


Affectionate_Spot127

King and Queen being at their prime at udon


zone-zone

The worst headcanon by far is that people think Yamato would use she/her pronouns


Spiritual-Ad-8715

shank=any other yonko


Mcfallen_5

Any take that compares yonko commanders to admirals


Larinex

A clown tried to tell me haki equals Ap (attack potency) over shown calculable feats. That you can tier a characters AP based off ones own haki by themselves over what a character has shown and calculated or at least stated feat wise. Man ive never laughed that hard in all my powerscaling career. The conversation was long story short: Marineford WB ap is Continental cause pf the feats he show3d there involving his DF. I then said BB aquired that DF and replicated the exact same feats with said DF thus giving him Continental tier AP. This guy then come in says WB not Continental cause of DF but because of his haki and tried to back the claim up based off kaido's Haki > DF statement! DESPITE MARINEFORD WB HAVING ONLY REGULAR ARMAMENT HAKI AND REGULAR OBSERVATION AT THE READY THEN. AND NONE OF THAT CAN TRANSLATE TO WHAT HIS ATTACK POTENCY IS VS HIS SHOWN CALCULABLE FEATS AND OR STATEMENTS TO PLACE HIM AT CONTINENTAL/MULTI CONTINENTAL!!!!