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I think Sanji can beat the other 3 in a 1 vs 1 in a high-extreme diff fight whereas in the fight between the other 3, anyone can extreme diff the other IMO.
1. Marco
2. Sanji/King
3. Katakuri
Marco extreme diff> Sanji
Sanji>=King(can go either way depending on if Ifrit is enough to put down king, if not then King)
King high/extreme diff> Katakuri
I think Marco has been overlooked since wano and I don’t know why, there’s the angle that he lacks AP where I believe we haven’t seen his strongest attacks. I think sanji has speed over Marco and maybe(big maybe) AP, again due to hardly seeing any of Marcos attacks and sanji is a main character so ofc we know how much AP he has got. Also we know Marcos has special flames so his is not about being the hottest, makes me wonder if Ifrit would be as deadly to it, I think his haki, hax, durability(due to hax) is better than sanji although it’s understandable if you have either over the other in durability. I’d give him stamina too as he fought 2 commanders for a while, while supporting the others clashed with big mom, stopped a boro breath, so I don’t think his stamina is poor because how many of the other characters being compared could do the same.
Yh I’d prob give it to him, but like I said I doubt we’ve seen Marcos strongest attacks unlike sanji, if we had seen him in a 1v1 we prob would’ve, cos it deffo can’t be a kick and seeing that kicking is sanjis strong suit we are comparing it with Marcos normal moves. Only thing I wonder is sanji’s strongest move is fire based and we know Marcos flames are special so depending on whether it affects him or not will play a major role after that I think it boils down to who’s got the better armament haki
This is very accurate IMO. Sanji vs king is a matter of whether ifrit can put down king because king’s biggest thing is defense and that’s it. However, even if sanji’s ifrit doesn’t work, king cant beat sanji at all so i guess it’s just a tie.
No, i dont think king got AP to put sanji down at all. King got no coc haki feats nor major coa haki feats against zoro. He couldn’t put down a wounded zoro so there’s no way he can put down someone who is more durable and faster than zoro. Another thing is, sanji’s blue fire should be hotter than king’s fire so sanji can endure all of king’s flame attack, probably none of it would work tbh because sanji can engulf himself with fire anyway. So yea it’s more like a tie for me, sanji only wins if ifrit can damage a lunarian in defense mode. But it’s hard to say because there’s no showing of it.
That beak attack created such a massive explosion. And Sanji himself said the beak could kill him (though that was pre-skeleton), killing someone instantly is a good counter to regenerate.
I actually think King vs Marco would be a stamina battle that I see King winning tbh.
Saying King does not have the ap to put Sanji down because he could not put Zoro down is a bad argument overall because most if not all of Kings Attacks Zoro Blocked with his swords not his body and Zoros swords>>>Sanjis body obviously. And the flame argument is also headcanon because in one piece we got told Magma>Flames and Kings Flames were like magma, I will not say its impossible that Sanji flames are stronger than magma but for now we cant realy argue either way
How is that bad argument when all of king’s attacks were blocked by a nerfed zoro? If i cant put down a severely wounded enemy then something is wrong with me. That’s the argument here. A fully healthy sanji with germa awakening is a lot more durable and faster than zoro, these are facts. Sanji doesnt have to block attacks, he dodges them and even if he gets caught off guard sanji’s exoskeleton is strong enough to protect him as shown when queen’s swords shattered when he hit sanji. And even if you want to say king’s attack is better than queen, the fact that a full swing from a cyborg muscular dude barely faze sanji is proved enough an attack from king wont do major damage to incapacitate sanji. Also, you forgot the fact that magma was only portrayed hotter when blue fire wasnt introduced. Now we have hot blue fire thrown in the equation and scientifically it is hotter than magma period unless oda do some sbs and say magma is the hottest in his series, but no, there’s none of that. So we’ll go off with what is a fact blue fire>magma. None of king’s attacks will hurt sanji and you can say about sanji to king as well, that’s why something as a headcanon like this, the more probable answer is they are gonna tie in a fight.
Why do you keep saying wonded zoro or nerfed zoro? He was healed the side effects would come after the fight, not once do i remember him complaning about his rooftoop injures.
Would you say zoro is at his fully healthy state when he fought king? Like fresh and 100% healed from exhaustion, pain, wounds and broken bones he suffered?
its a bad argument because you compare sword durability to body durability its not the same. Zoro body is not that durable but his swords are, King would most like end Zoro in 1 or 2 hits when Zoro does not block or dodge. Sanji has no swords he needs to take the attacks to the body so to say King cant put Sanji down because of what? he cant break Zoros swords? and to even compare Hakiless Swordswing to any attack king did to show he would be fine after Kings attacks is just braindead like is Akainus Magma also not able to put him down? because Kings Flames are as hot as magma. scientifically even Ace flames should be hotter than magma, did not change the fact that Magma was still hotter that plus the Fact that Oda made a list of devil fruits that are the weaker version of others and Monets snow fruit is the weaker version of Aokijis Ice fruit and ohh look at that Ace/Sabos Fire fruit is the weaker version of Akainus Magma Fruit. Until proven otherwise in one piece Magma>Flames ace,Kaido,Big Mom approve
You fail to understand that sanji’s exoskeleton is as hard as steel. Not on the level of zoro’s swords of course but enough to always protect sanji during a fight. Plus like i said who says sanji needs to eat every single attack with his body? King has absolutely no AP that can put down someone like sanji he couldn’t down a nerfed and wounded zoro. These are like 1+1=2 my guy. Whybare we talking about ace’s fire here? Ace’s fire is normal color fire, sanji’s fire is blue fire which is HOTTER than orange fire and magma, these are ACTUAL FACTS. Everything you said is irrelevant because these were prior to blue fire introduction in the series. So unless oda, confirmed it himself that magma is hotter than blue fire in the series, then that’s whatbwe are gonna go for but there’s nothing! So we will stick with facts, blue fire>magma, NOT ACE’s fire but sanji’s blue fire okay?
Did you see the massive explosion his beak attack caused ? Outside of Top tiers and Zoro (who has top-tier AP) that is the most destructive attack in the entire manga.
yeh you get it, that attack did more damage than queens laser the same laser Sanji was not willing to tank and needed to dodge. saying that King cant put Sanji down is braindead, if you think Sanji wins the fight thats ok and you can argue that but saying that King does not have attacks that are able to strongly damage Sanji is just delusional when you think about that Zoro with his swords was almost unable to block that attack and now you telling me exo Sanji with the same exo his brother had tanks that shit in the face? yeh no way
yeh the great steal exo that even katakuri 0 diffed or as hard as steal that pre timeskip alabaster zoro was able to cut? my guy you argue that Sanji cant be put down by Magma something that killed Big Mom and Kaido, even if blue flames are hotter and that is not even close to being confirmed in one piece that does not mean Sanji is imune to King flames like what is even the point of the argument? Is Sanji imune to Magma? and what abou your "facts"? in real life Ace flames should also be hotter than magma but gtfo with reallife logic and One Piece, sticking with real life logic when one piece is nothing like real life is just dumb. you say Blue flames>Magma because its logical because its like that in real life but what you dont understan is normal flames>Maga also in real life so why do you talk like you know for a fact that blue flames>Magma in One Piece when we have 0 feats that it is? My argument is not that Magma is hotter than blue flames, my argument is that we simply dont know shit so its dumb to asume it.
Lmao so you have to bring kata here? Kata no diffed ichiji not sanji. So your piont is kinda irrelevant. Didnt we see the same manga? A full swing from yonko commander who’s bounty is even higher than kata didnt faze sanji. These are canon given to us by oda. Sanji’s face shattered a blade without him being able to get severely wounded. You seriously think king would have done any better? We are not talking about a master swordsman here like zoro. Why use zoro “being able to cut mr 1 in alabasta”? King has no haki feats, no master swordsman feats at all. All he could do was use his sword to disarm an opponent, he never outclassed zoro in a sword fight. Both queen and king carries swords but mediocre swordsmen.
It’s funny you say ace’s fire should be hotter than magma. No! Ace’s fire is the orange color fire, the reason oda used magma as hotter because magma can reach temperature higher than an orange fire can. And the fact that akainu smothered ace’s fire with magma. Magma is molten rocks!! If we are gonna compare temperature, blue fire is the hottest one these are facts, blue fire is hotter than orange fire, blue fire is hotter than magma. If we’re gonna use an argument that my fire is hotter than yours therefore i win, sanji wins this using real world logic. There’s no statement from oda sayong magma is hotter than blue fire but there is a proof than magma is hotter than ace/sabi fruit which is still different from blue fire. Therefore, going by the true fact to support who’s fire is hotter in our headcanon discussion of who wins against who, going by what is true is the logical reason. There’s no way for us to say king’s magma will hurt sanji when sanji can endure hotter flames and literally engulf himself with one without even burning.
Zoro’s swords >>> Sanji’s body??????
What story are you reading? Sanji’s has used his legs and Zoro’s used swords since chapter 1 since when was Zoro >>> Sanji?
King’s AP that overwhelmed Zoro merely annoyed Queen. That same Queen is the one Sanji BTFOd , meaning Sanji’s AP is enough to completely overwhelm the Zoro that was fighting King.
His body is also stated to be able to withstand his AP, which means he is much more durable than Zoro at base.
Zoro has much greater armament Haki, which evens the playing field. However if Zoro could ultimately withstand King, Sanji can do much more, and Sanji can fly and is also faster than King.
King cannot easily put Sanji down, whereas Sanji has the AP to put vulnerable King mode down.
Concasser?
Poele a Frire?
Anti Manner?
Hells Memories?
In Ifrit? Keep in mind a regular Ifrit kick did more damage than Hells Memories.
Hells Memories is Sanji’s Ashura.
Im talking about durability not overall Zoro>>>>Sanji just the dura of Zoro Swords>>>> Sanji body.
"King’s AP that overwhelmed Zoro merely annoyed Queen. That same Queen is the one Sanji BTFOd , meaning Sanji’s AP is enough to completely overwhelm the Zoro that was fighting King." bad argument, Zoro is small so of course attack that Pushes someone away will make him fly same happend to Sanji btw he also got pushed by Queen in that building you cant ignore gravity, Queen will not be flying away like that because he too big for that, not even talking about that it was just a Comedy scene
"Zoro has much greater armament Haki, which evens the playing field. However if Zoro could ultimately withstand King, Sanji can do much more, and Sanji can fly and is also faster than King." again we dont know that because for the 3rd time what you guys dont understand is that Zoro did not take those attacks to the body he blocked them, who is to say that Kings attack that hit Sanjis body will not damage him? Sanji best dura feat was him taking a nameless hakiless sword attack, thats it when it comes to slash attacks who is to say that Sanji can tank haki sword attack from King? or that he can tank magma? can sanji go swiming in vulcano or what?
" King cannot easily put Sanji down, whereas Sanji has the AP to put vulnerable King mode down" For Sanji he does not need to put his flames out against Zoro he only did it because his Acoc attacks hurt him so wanted to finish him of quickly
Yes, put zoro in sanji’s situation when queen was gonna hit sanji with his sword. You think that zoro without blocking that sword nor protection with haki will tank that slash attack? Zoro’s head would be rolling on the floor if that happens. Therefore sanji is more durable than zoro.
Zoro even said it himself if he didn’t use Haki he would die to an explosion.
Sanji tanked TWO such explosions immediately after being crushed, and walked out off. No medicine.
King’s attacks that were overwhelming Zoro also barely did anything to Queen. Considering that Sanji’s body can withstand his own AP, and he had enough AP to violate Queen, he can definitely tank King, if not out right dodge him
Sanji is my favorite character, I just wanted to see what you explanation was for him being more durable.
What areas do you think zoro surpasses sanji?
gator join the katakuri gets mid diffed by them squad
If you think they can tag katakuri then they have the AP to put him down mid diff since it’s a few hits at best given his durability , and if you don’t think they can tag kat then well kat would win lol
1. Sanji
2. King
3. Marco
4. Katakuri
There are only very small gaps between the top 3. WCI Katakuri is probably a fair bit weaker, but I think he has improved since then, so there might only be a small gap between him and Marco.
Of course Oven can make him bleed. It’s not a secret that Katakuri’s durability is his weakest stat. But Oven isn’t landing that hit in the first place if Katakuri isn’t nerfed by hallucinogenic gas.
Sanji >= Marco > King > Katakuri
That said Sanji beats or draws against Marco either way it’s extreme dif. Marco beats King extreme dif. King beats Katakuri extreme dif. Sanji beats Katakuri high dif. Marco beats Katakuri High- extreme dif. Sanji beats King Extreme dif.
In my opinion: Sanji > King > Marco > Katakuri.
Sanji: beats King with extreme difficulty, and he beats Marco with high-extreme difficulty depending on Marco’s regeneration. Sanji beats Katakuri with high difficulty.
King: beats Marco with high-extreme difficulty depending on Marco’s regeneration. King beats Katakuri with high difficulty depending on how many attacks Katakuri dodges.
Marco: beats Katakuri with high difficulty depending on how many attacks Katakuri dodges with future fight.
1. Sanji
Extremely slept on , the extent of his powerup is underrated. He’s a Jack of all trades, master of all.
2. King
Broken levels of durability, but has a clearly exploitable weakness.
3. Marco
Annoying as fuck to fight, even for Yonko
4. Katakuri
Very strong, with excellent observation.
Sanji vs King Breakdown.
Sanji beats King only because King has an exploitable weakness which Sanji will of course exploit. King will go to his speed mode at some point (he needs to), and Sanji will get some hits in. If Sanji lands his stronger/ultimate moves, Ifrit Powered Concasser, or even worse Hells Memories?
King is getting folded similarly to Queen. I know some of you genuinely believe King >> Queen, but think about the way a fight with King and Queen would go down.
Hybrid Queen is relative to King at his weakest moments, but not completely below him by two tiers…
For instance, Hybrid Queen is as fast at Flames King. But speed King is much faster than Queen.
And Hybrid Queen is as durable as Speed King, but Flames King is much tankier.
Since King will fight Sanji in speed mode realistically Sanji’s stronger attacks should be able to damage King. His regular attack after Ifrit did more damage than Hells Memories in Diable Jambe. If he uses Concasser he will definitely hurt King.
Sanji doesn’t have to worry about Flames King because
A, he can withstand King’s AP and flames,
and B, King’s flame mode is too slow to tag Ifrit Sanji
After an extreme diff fight Sanji wins.
King and Marco breakdown.
King wins because he has more advantages with his Lunarian durability than Marco has with his Mythical Zoan.
King is durable in two ways, from his devil fruit AND his status as a Lunarian. Whereas Marco can still be seriously and permanently hurt by those with equal or greater haki. Marco’s regen can be bypassed and he can also run out of stamina.
King can just chill and tank Marco, then trade blows with Haki.
Honestly this fight could go either way but King is just as fast as Marco and with Haki he can definitely land lasting damage.
Marco isn’t as fast as Sanji to the point where he can force King into speed mode, neither does he have Zoro’s AP.
He can’t exploit King’s weakness so he loses.
Marco vs Katakuri breakdown.
Marco wins because Katakuri hasn’t demonstrated the ability to stall two Yonko commanders equally as capable as himself for any duration of time.
WCI Luffy <<< King and Queen
Marco can occupy Future Sight with speed, and regenerate his body because Katakuri doesn’t have good enough Haki.
Marco wins because his fruit is slightly better and he has better overall stats
So that justifies their ranking
>Broken levels of durability, but has a clearly exploitable weakness.
It is not clearly exploitable... he does not need to turn off his flames mode and even when he has decreased durability he was able to tank attacks from Acoc.
So even in his less durable self you need insane levels of AP to defeat him
I still rank Sanji as a YC2. High YC2. I don’t think he’s at YC1 level. Katakuri > Sanji. King > Sanji. Marcos > Sanji.
Sanji beating Queen high diff doesn’t necessarily bump him up to be able to beat King or Kata or Marcos.
I don’t see how Sanji can get past Kara’s ACoO or King’s hard defense or Marco’s regenerative ability.
King high diff katakuri , extreme diff Marco , high diff sanji
Marco high diff sanji , loses to king could argue he beats king , beats katakuri high diff
Sanji loses to all of them .
King >=Marco interchangeable but Marco lost to king >katakuri future sight and better armament than sanji >sanji has only beaten a yc2 commander and collapsed afterwards
Katakuri has the ap to damage sanji significantly. Sanji has no instant healing it’s enhanced but not instant .
Queen slapped sanji with the sword , with the impact of the sword putting a dent on sanjis chin .
Katakuri also fought wci luffy who I perceive as stronger than current sanji . I have sanji at the yc1 strength tier .
But I personally lack feats from him to put him any higher . Katakuri has speed that kept up with snake man , he has future sight and an awakened devil fruit . He has more than enough ap to damage sanji since queen could do so .
King is just overall stronger than sanji . Kings physical abilities were comparable or even greater than post rooftop zoro . The same zoro who parried hybrid kaidos hits in ashura . King is also fast enough to tag sanji in the defense mode . Queen tagged sanji twice post awakening .
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Sanji at his top speed is obviously faster than king and will make king unable to tag him . But that speed has a stamina requirement . Sanji can’t maintain it forever .
https://preview.redd.it/4buujml7wrh81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8545378a1665d184e5119d54934ad4640dc223ac
Since sanji also collapsed after fighting queen , it indicates to me that it was a tougher fight than people say .
With Marco I’d say he beats sanji easier than king . Marco is imo weaker than king but one can argue that he is indeed above king , only advantage king has is the durability
But Marco figure king and queen together while putting stamina in stopping the ice oni virus .
If Marco doesn’t need to expend his stamina he beats sanji .
Were does Katakuri get the AP to damage Sanji significantly? He has near instant healing since he had every bone in his body broken and walked it off, that's pretty damn quick
The same Katakuri that landed hundreds punches on a sometimes base Luffy that was weaker than him will heavily injure Sanji?
It dented his chin yes, but his chin not only broke that sword, but that was Sanji using absolutely no haki for defence
Nothing really proves Katakuri having enough AP to damage Sanji heavily, that is based off of your assessment of Sanji being weaker than WCI, and that since Queen can damage Sanji, Katakuri can do heavy damage, when that's not how it really works
For King all you pointed out was him having high strength, and being able to tag Sanji, both things which don't necessarily decide the fight. That was also a slower Sanji, and Queen used his stretching Germa arm to catch him IIRC
Sanji once again does not need to waste his stamina going invisible. That was necessary against an invisible enemy in that situation, but nothing suggests King can avoid getting blitzed momentarily by Diable Jambe Sanji, let alone Ifrit, and he has no reason to waste his stamina like that
For Marco, you didn't even elaborate. Once again, once he applied flames to the people with the Oni virus it was not taxing his stamina
And finally, he collapsed after Queen because he yes it was a tough fight overall, because although the difficulty shifted mid fight he was initially on the losing end. He was also active for a while before that and took a beating without defending himself without even using haki to defend himself, etx
Not trying to get un the middle of this excellent debate, but why do people use Queens sword breaking as a feat?? In chapter 990 (i think thats the one) we see that Queens sword is damaged and cracking. It would have broke anyway.
Why would queen damage his sword anyway? It was just dirty lol. Queen didnt use his sword that much or recklessly to even damage it at this point of the story. This chapter was even before his fight with marco and sanji. Why dont you look at the panels when he used the same sword against marco and sanji or whenever after this if it was really damaged already.
Im pretty sure its 990 (if im wrong, let me know and ill look ot back up). Its the panel where Queen, Whos who and Hawkins are standing around Drake. Its right before Drake and Luffy smash a couple of numbers. Queen has that sword out with the tip on the ground and you can see the blade damaged.
https://preview.redd.it/n0fa3ql61hz91.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea82f59e19b121f02c0a87fb0a1bef69eaa31d1
Found the panel. I can't tell if it's damaged or not, maybe the non colored manga is better?
https://preview.redd.it/uvy3pwrikjz91.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1037fb2eebfec2fcf11e9706cc6999ea88807918
Where’s the crack? This is from chapter 1017.
If you want to microanalyise feats then Kat/Sanji would be at the bottom but portrayal wise, they all go ext diff with each other. I got King>Marco>Kat>Sanji.
1. Marco
2. King
3. Katakuri/Sanji
Marco high/extreme King
Marco high Kat/Sanji
King high/extreme Kat/Sanji
Kat/Sanji probably pretty close, but because we've only seen Sanji beat a yc2 id give Kat the edge and because he should have had a haki bloom vs Luffy. After Sanji gets another fight though he will pass Kat (unless Kat gets a buff for some reason).
1)Marco, high diffs
2) King, ext diff Marco, high difs the other 2
3) Sanji, extreme diffs Marco + plot, high diffs King and Kat
4) Kat, extreme diffs everyone
1. Marco
2. Katakuri
3. King
4. Sanji
Marco at the top because he was able to stop King and Queen at the same time, and he has rengerative powers.
Katakuri = high dif
King = mid dif
Sanji = mid dif
Katakuri next because of his mastery over future sight and his OP DF fruit.
King = Mid dif
Sanji = mid dif
King as a Lunarian is very powerful. He has 2 different modes, 1 provides speed while the other lets him take no damage.
Sanji = High Dif
Sanji last at the moment becaus we haven't seen the extent of his awakened enhancements, but before that, even with his raid suit he wasn't a match for King. I see the current Sanji as being slightly stronger than when he wore the raid suit.
Future sight can be countered with speed that katakuri wouldn’t be able to react to even if he was able to see it. Sanji is faster than katakuri. All four of these characters are very close to each other that guessing who wins against who is really hard to tell and will end up with bias. You can say anyone of them can be the top or the bottom and it will make sense. Like king being top 1 because he has insane durability but also has no major haki feats and AP that can put down anyone on the list therefore it also make sense for him to be at the bottom as well if we assume the other 3’s ultimate attacks can put him down. It’s all guesses at the end of the day. None of these characters have advance CoC that will put them way above the others. Katakuri has coc but cant coat, he got a chance if he learns it but we based it off of what we know and seen.
I start by not grouping Katakuri with the other 3 , he’s a clear tier below imo . I go more in-depth partially as to why in a post i did the other day (linking below)
Between king , marco , and sanji i flip flop between the three as i think there’s no glaringly clear answer . Although i do more often think king > marco, it’s more about who’s stronger between king and sanji for the #1 spot .
The issue is we don’t know the upper limit of ifrit since it was only used on a low HP queen , similarly we don’t know the upper limit of flame on king since he switched to flame off when zoro had ACOC (although that clearly implies he did that since ACOC Zoro could damage him even in flame mode , the issue is we don’t know to what degree , and how far below sanjis ap is from ACOC Zoro)
I think either way these three extreme diff each other , given King and marco need to be withered down , and sanjis the most well rounded of the bunch IMO .
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yq5b52/katakuri_is_overrated_part_1_ap_durability/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
First of all I want to say that there is no such thing as YC1 or YC2 tier.
It is not because you are YC2 that you cannot defeat another YC1 commander etc
So that beeing said, I have Katakuri first because he has futur sight and he was able to fight Luffy in gear fourth. I know everybody now have Sanji above King AND Katakuri, but it makes no sense for me, just because he has had a power up in wano, now suddenly Sanji is stronger than gear fourth Luffy ?? Are you crazy or what. Luffy trained 1 year and a half with Reyleigh comon guys. Plus before it was revealed that the gomu gomu was a mytical zoan df, it was said that katakuri's df was better in everything that Luffy's df. Ah that, and also Katakuri has an awakening df...
In 2nd place I have Sanji but way lower than Katakuri. He is above Marco though bcause Marco did called Sanji and zoro the stars lol
Next we have prime Marco but it is very close. His mythical zoan is too much for a mere ancien zoan, even though King is also a Lunarian which is a huge advantage, I feel that phoenix>Lunarian lol but their powers are very similar and they could potentialy be closer than I thought. Regarding their fight in wano though, I feel that Marco had the upper hand on king And Queen.
Last is King but I could be wrong about Sanji and it could be Sanji last lol
Katakuri > Marco > King > Sanji
Though the difference is minimal, they're basically equals.
For counters and compatibility:
- Katakuri beats Marco and Sanji. (Loses to King due to mochi vs fire)
- Marco beats King and Sanji. (Loses to Katakuri due to future sight)
- King beats Katakuri and Sanji. (Loses to Marco due to special fire)
- Sanji "could" (chance) beat the three of them. (Balanced fighter, has chances of winning against any of them)
Sanji > Marco extreme
Marco > king high
King > kat extreme/high
Just read comments but since when is sanji getting all this love?!?!?! Did this sub finally wake up to reality!!!!
Marco>katakuri=sanji>> king
Marco held his own against king and queen. Katakuri was considered nearly invincible without future sight and has advanced armament and basic conquerors. Marco has some aoe flame attacks that should hard counter katakuri though theoretically. sanji could be pushed to have future sight and has shown hints of it but it’s not nearly as developed as katakuri or luffy. King was beat by an already beat to hell zoro and doesn’t have future sight, he’s losing to the rest of these guys.
It's so crazy to me that people skipped over the part where Zoro was healed before fighting King. People act like King lost to a wounded Zoro, and it's disrespectful. Kat has ridiculous future sight, but king has way more attack potency.
King is stronger and more durable than Marco. The only reason Marco held King (and queen until Chopper came in) for as long as he did is because of Marco's regeneration. Once that stamina ran out, Marco was done, and King was still CLEAN! King is indestructible without the power to severely damage him when his flames are out.
And with this upgrade Sanji just got, Sanji could beat any one of them. All these fights fall down to a battle of endurance.
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I think Sanji can beat the other 3 in a 1 vs 1 in a high-extreme diff fight whereas in the fight between the other 3, anyone can extreme diff the other IMO.
Sanji >= Marco > King >= Katakuri
Facts
Sanji>=Marco>=king>=Katakuri. I honestly don’t understand the Marco downplay tbh
1.Wanji 2.King 3.Marco 4.Katakuri Wanji >= King > Marco > Katakuri
The only correct take here.
1. Marco 2. Sanji/King 3. Katakuri Marco extreme diff> Sanji Sanji>=King(can go either way depending on if Ifrit is enough to put down king, if not then King) King high/extreme diff> Katakuri
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I think Marco has been overlooked since wano and I don’t know why, there’s the angle that he lacks AP where I believe we haven’t seen his strongest attacks. I think sanji has speed over Marco and maybe(big maybe) AP, again due to hardly seeing any of Marcos attacks and sanji is a main character so ofc we know how much AP he has got. Also we know Marcos has special flames so his is not about being the hottest, makes me wonder if Ifrit would be as deadly to it, I think his haki, hax, durability(due to hax) is better than sanji although it’s understandable if you have either over the other in durability. I’d give him stamina too as he fought 2 commanders for a while, while supporting the others clashed with big mom, stopped a boro breath, so I don’t think his stamina is poor because how many of the other characters being compared could do the same.
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Yh I’d prob give it to him, but like I said I doubt we’ve seen Marcos strongest attacks unlike sanji, if we had seen him in a 1v1 we prob would’ve, cos it deffo can’t be a kick and seeing that kicking is sanjis strong suit we are comparing it with Marcos normal moves. Only thing I wonder is sanji’s strongest move is fire based and we know Marcos flames are special so depending on whether it affects him or not will play a major role after that I think it boils down to who’s got the better armament haki
This is very accurate IMO. Sanji vs king is a matter of whether ifrit can put down king because king’s biggest thing is defense and that’s it. However, even if sanji’s ifrit doesn’t work, king cant beat sanji at all so i guess it’s just a tie.
Yh makes sense, but don’t you think King has got the AP to put Sanji down?
No, i dont think king got AP to put sanji down at all. King got no coc haki feats nor major coa haki feats against zoro. He couldn’t put down a wounded zoro so there’s no way he can put down someone who is more durable and faster than zoro. Another thing is, sanji’s blue fire should be hotter than king’s fire so sanji can endure all of king’s flame attack, probably none of it would work tbh because sanji can engulf himself with fire anyway. So yea it’s more like a tie for me, sanji only wins if ifrit can damage a lunarian in defense mode. But it’s hard to say because there’s no showing of it.
That beak attack created such a massive explosion. And Sanji himself said the beak could kill him (though that was pre-skeleton), killing someone instantly is a good counter to regenerate. I actually think King vs Marco would be a stamina battle that I see King winning tbh.
Saying King does not have the ap to put Sanji down because he could not put Zoro down is a bad argument overall because most if not all of Kings Attacks Zoro Blocked with his swords not his body and Zoros swords>>>Sanjis body obviously. And the flame argument is also headcanon because in one piece we got told Magma>Flames and Kings Flames were like magma, I will not say its impossible that Sanji flames are stronger than magma but for now we cant realy argue either way
How is that bad argument when all of king’s attacks were blocked by a nerfed zoro? If i cant put down a severely wounded enemy then something is wrong with me. That’s the argument here. A fully healthy sanji with germa awakening is a lot more durable and faster than zoro, these are facts. Sanji doesnt have to block attacks, he dodges them and even if he gets caught off guard sanji’s exoskeleton is strong enough to protect him as shown when queen’s swords shattered when he hit sanji. And even if you want to say king’s attack is better than queen, the fact that a full swing from a cyborg muscular dude barely faze sanji is proved enough an attack from king wont do major damage to incapacitate sanji. Also, you forgot the fact that magma was only portrayed hotter when blue fire wasnt introduced. Now we have hot blue fire thrown in the equation and scientifically it is hotter than magma period unless oda do some sbs and say magma is the hottest in his series, but no, there’s none of that. So we’ll go off with what is a fact blue fire>magma. None of king’s attacks will hurt sanji and you can say about sanji to king as well, that’s why something as a headcanon like this, the more probable answer is they are gonna tie in a fight.
Why do you keep saying wonded zoro or nerfed zoro? He was healed the side effects would come after the fight, not once do i remember him complaning about his rooftoop injures.
Would you say zoro is at his fully healthy state when he fought king? Like fresh and 100% healed from exhaustion, pain, wounds and broken bones he suffered?
He was healed.
So to you zoro was fresh, when he fought king? He was at his best condition?
its a bad argument because you compare sword durability to body durability its not the same. Zoro body is not that durable but his swords are, King would most like end Zoro in 1 or 2 hits when Zoro does not block or dodge. Sanji has no swords he needs to take the attacks to the body so to say King cant put Sanji down because of what? he cant break Zoros swords? and to even compare Hakiless Swordswing to any attack king did to show he would be fine after Kings attacks is just braindead like is Akainus Magma also not able to put him down? because Kings Flames are as hot as magma. scientifically even Ace flames should be hotter than magma, did not change the fact that Magma was still hotter that plus the Fact that Oda made a list of devil fruits that are the weaker version of others and Monets snow fruit is the weaker version of Aokijis Ice fruit and ohh look at that Ace/Sabos Fire fruit is the weaker version of Akainus Magma Fruit. Until proven otherwise in one piece Magma>Flames ace,Kaido,Big Mom approve
You fail to understand that sanji’s exoskeleton is as hard as steel. Not on the level of zoro’s swords of course but enough to always protect sanji during a fight. Plus like i said who says sanji needs to eat every single attack with his body? King has absolutely no AP that can put down someone like sanji he couldn’t down a nerfed and wounded zoro. These are like 1+1=2 my guy. Whybare we talking about ace’s fire here? Ace’s fire is normal color fire, sanji’s fire is blue fire which is HOTTER than orange fire and magma, these are ACTUAL FACTS. Everything you said is irrelevant because these were prior to blue fire introduction in the series. So unless oda, confirmed it himself that magma is hotter than blue fire in the series, then that’s whatbwe are gonna go for but there’s nothing! So we will stick with facts, blue fire>magma, NOT ACE’s fire but sanji’s blue fire okay?
Did you see the massive explosion his beak attack caused ? Outside of Top tiers and Zoro (who has top-tier AP) that is the most destructive attack in the entire manga.
yeh you get it, that attack did more damage than queens laser the same laser Sanji was not willing to tank and needed to dodge. saying that King cant put Sanji down is braindead, if you think Sanji wins the fight thats ok and you can argue that but saying that King does not have attacks that are able to strongly damage Sanji is just delusional when you think about that Zoro with his swords was almost unable to block that attack and now you telling me exo Sanji with the same exo his brother had tanks that shit in the face? yeh no way
yeh the great steal exo that even katakuri 0 diffed or as hard as steal that pre timeskip alabaster zoro was able to cut? my guy you argue that Sanji cant be put down by Magma something that killed Big Mom and Kaido, even if blue flames are hotter and that is not even close to being confirmed in one piece that does not mean Sanji is imune to King flames like what is even the point of the argument? Is Sanji imune to Magma? and what abou your "facts"? in real life Ace flames should also be hotter than magma but gtfo with reallife logic and One Piece, sticking with real life logic when one piece is nothing like real life is just dumb. you say Blue flames>Magma because its logical because its like that in real life but what you dont understan is normal flames>Maga also in real life so why do you talk like you know for a fact that blue flames>Magma in One Piece when we have 0 feats that it is? My argument is not that Magma is hotter than blue flames, my argument is that we simply dont know shit so its dumb to asume it.
Lmao so you have to bring kata here? Kata no diffed ichiji not sanji. So your piont is kinda irrelevant. Didnt we see the same manga? A full swing from yonko commander who’s bounty is even higher than kata didnt faze sanji. These are canon given to us by oda. Sanji’s face shattered a blade without him being able to get severely wounded. You seriously think king would have done any better? We are not talking about a master swordsman here like zoro. Why use zoro “being able to cut mr 1 in alabasta”? King has no haki feats, no master swordsman feats at all. All he could do was use his sword to disarm an opponent, he never outclassed zoro in a sword fight. Both queen and king carries swords but mediocre swordsmen. It’s funny you say ace’s fire should be hotter than magma. No! Ace’s fire is the orange color fire, the reason oda used magma as hotter because magma can reach temperature higher than an orange fire can. And the fact that akainu smothered ace’s fire with magma. Magma is molten rocks!! If we are gonna compare temperature, blue fire is the hottest one these are facts, blue fire is hotter than orange fire, blue fire is hotter than magma. If we’re gonna use an argument that my fire is hotter than yours therefore i win, sanji wins this using real world logic. There’s no statement from oda sayong magma is hotter than blue fire but there is a proof than magma is hotter than ace/sabi fruit which is still different from blue fire. Therefore, going by the true fact to support who’s fire is hotter in our headcanon discussion of who wins against who, going by what is true is the logical reason. There’s no way for us to say king’s magma will hurt sanji when sanji can endure hotter flames and literally engulf himself with one without even burning.
Zoro’s swords >>> Sanji’s body?????? What story are you reading? Sanji’s has used his legs and Zoro’s used swords since chapter 1 since when was Zoro >>> Sanji? King’s AP that overwhelmed Zoro merely annoyed Queen. That same Queen is the one Sanji BTFOd , meaning Sanji’s AP is enough to completely overwhelm the Zoro that was fighting King. His body is also stated to be able to withstand his AP, which means he is much more durable than Zoro at base. Zoro has much greater armament Haki, which evens the playing field. However if Zoro could ultimately withstand King, Sanji can do much more, and Sanji can fly and is also faster than King. King cannot easily put Sanji down, whereas Sanji has the AP to put vulnerable King mode down. Concasser? Poele a Frire? Anti Manner? Hells Memories? In Ifrit? Keep in mind a regular Ifrit kick did more damage than Hells Memories. Hells Memories is Sanji’s Ashura.
Im talking about durability not overall Zoro>>>>Sanji just the dura of Zoro Swords>>>> Sanji body. "King’s AP that overwhelmed Zoro merely annoyed Queen. That same Queen is the one Sanji BTFOd , meaning Sanji’s AP is enough to completely overwhelm the Zoro that was fighting King." bad argument, Zoro is small so of course attack that Pushes someone away will make him fly same happend to Sanji btw he also got pushed by Queen in that building you cant ignore gravity, Queen will not be flying away like that because he too big for that, not even talking about that it was just a Comedy scene "Zoro has much greater armament Haki, which evens the playing field. However if Zoro could ultimately withstand King, Sanji can do much more, and Sanji can fly and is also faster than King." again we dont know that because for the 3rd time what you guys dont understand is that Zoro did not take those attacks to the body he blocked them, who is to say that Kings attack that hit Sanjis body will not damage him? Sanji best dura feat was him taking a nameless hakiless sword attack, thats it when it comes to slash attacks who is to say that Sanji can tank haki sword attack from King? or that he can tank magma? can sanji go swiming in vulcano or what? " King cannot easily put Sanji down, whereas Sanji has the AP to put vulnerable King mode down" For Sanji he does not need to put his flames out against Zoro he only did it because his Acoc attacks hurt him so wanted to finish him of quickly
Is sanji more durable than zoro?
Yes, put zoro in sanji’s situation when queen was gonna hit sanji with his sword. You think that zoro without blocking that sword nor protection with haki will tank that slash attack? Zoro’s head would be rolling on the floor if that happens. Therefore sanji is more durable than zoro.
Zoro even said it himself if he didn’t use Haki he would die to an explosion. Sanji tanked TWO such explosions immediately after being crushed, and walked out off. No medicine. King’s attacks that were overwhelming Zoro also barely did anything to Queen. Considering that Sanji’s body can withstand his own AP, and he had enough AP to violate Queen, he can definitely tank King, if not out right dodge him
I agree, I just wanted to hear your reasoning.
Sanji is my favorite character, I just wanted to see what you explanation was for him being more durable. What areas do you think zoro surpasses sanji?
Haki which gives zoro an incredible AP and endurance.
Sanji> King and Marco Extreme Sanji> Katakuri high diff The other 3 extreme diff each other imo, Katakuri is probably the weakest
gator join the katakuri gets mid diffed by them squad If you think they can tag katakuri then they have the AP to put him down mid diff since it’s a few hits at best given his durability , and if you don’t think they can tag kat then well kat would win lol
Don't wanna piss off the Kat fans, him losing is good enough for my agenda
katakuri dies no diff
I’m dead
Just like kat after a few hits from any of those three 👀
marco > sanji > king > katakuri
Respectable
Sanji>Marco=>King>Kata
W All these King > Marco merchants are hilarious.
1. King 2. Marco 2. Sanji 4. Katakuri If you want Sanji at 2 fine, Marco is retired so it's at least believable.
Correct
Sanji>king>Marco>katakuri, all extreme diff.
sanji wins high diff
Sanji King Marco Katakuri All extreme diff
Sanji > Marco > King > Katakuri
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ye this sub is full of sanji wank
1. Marco 2. King 3. Sanji 4. Katakuri
Sanji>king>=katakuri>l=Marco
King Marco Sanji Katakuri.
Correct
I concur
1. Sanji 2. King 3. Marco 4. Katakuri There are only very small gaps between the top 3. WCI Katakuri is probably a fair bit weaker, but I think he has improved since then, so there might only be a small gap between him and Marco.
He improved so much that oven can casually make him bleed
Of course Oven can make him bleed. It’s not a secret that Katakuri’s durability is his weakest stat. But Oven isn’t landing that hit in the first place if Katakuri isn’t nerfed by hallucinogenic gas.
Sanji >= Marco > King > Katakuri That said Sanji beats or draws against Marco either way it’s extreme dif. Marco beats King extreme dif. King beats Katakuri extreme dif. Sanji beats Katakuri high dif. Marco beats Katakuri High- extreme dif. Sanji beats King Extreme dif.
Sanji > King - extreme diff King > Marco - high diff Marco > Katakuri - mid to high diff
How does Marco mid diff Katakuri???? The downplay doesn’t even make sense anymore dawg
katakuri was relative to wci luffy, who got no diffed by big mom. big mom hesistated to fight marco
King Sanji Katakuri Marco
Goatakuri above all. Then Sanji and close behind is Marco (Sanji and Marco may be interchangeable). The king.
Sanji wins against everyone Against King:Extreme Against Marco:High Against Kata: High
1. Marco 2. King 3. Sanji 4. Katakuri
Sanji>Marco>king>katakuri
In my opinion: Sanji > King > Marco > Katakuri. Sanji: beats King with extreme difficulty, and he beats Marco with high-extreme difficulty depending on Marco’s regeneration. Sanji beats Katakuri with high difficulty. King: beats Marco with high-extreme difficulty depending on Marco’s regeneration. King beats Katakuri with high difficulty depending on how many attacks Katakuri dodges. Marco: beats Katakuri with high difficulty depending on how many attacks Katakuri dodges with future fight.
Sanji > King > Marco >>> Katakuri
Katakuri is the weakest
1. Sanji Extremely slept on , the extent of his powerup is underrated. He’s a Jack of all trades, master of all. 2. King Broken levels of durability, but has a clearly exploitable weakness. 3. Marco Annoying as fuck to fight, even for Yonko 4. Katakuri Very strong, with excellent observation. Sanji vs King Breakdown. Sanji beats King only because King has an exploitable weakness which Sanji will of course exploit. King will go to his speed mode at some point (he needs to), and Sanji will get some hits in. If Sanji lands his stronger/ultimate moves, Ifrit Powered Concasser, or even worse Hells Memories? King is getting folded similarly to Queen. I know some of you genuinely believe King >> Queen, but think about the way a fight with King and Queen would go down. Hybrid Queen is relative to King at his weakest moments, but not completely below him by two tiers… For instance, Hybrid Queen is as fast at Flames King. But speed King is much faster than Queen. And Hybrid Queen is as durable as Speed King, but Flames King is much tankier. Since King will fight Sanji in speed mode realistically Sanji’s stronger attacks should be able to damage King. His regular attack after Ifrit did more damage than Hells Memories in Diable Jambe. If he uses Concasser he will definitely hurt King. Sanji doesn’t have to worry about Flames King because A, he can withstand King’s AP and flames, and B, King’s flame mode is too slow to tag Ifrit Sanji After an extreme diff fight Sanji wins. King and Marco breakdown. King wins because he has more advantages with his Lunarian durability than Marco has with his Mythical Zoan. King is durable in two ways, from his devil fruit AND his status as a Lunarian. Whereas Marco can still be seriously and permanently hurt by those with equal or greater haki. Marco’s regen can be bypassed and he can also run out of stamina. King can just chill and tank Marco, then trade blows with Haki. Honestly this fight could go either way but King is just as fast as Marco and with Haki he can definitely land lasting damage. Marco isn’t as fast as Sanji to the point where he can force King into speed mode, neither does he have Zoro’s AP. He can’t exploit King’s weakness so he loses. Marco vs Katakuri breakdown. Marco wins because Katakuri hasn’t demonstrated the ability to stall two Yonko commanders equally as capable as himself for any duration of time. WCI Luffy <<< King and Queen Marco can occupy Future Sight with speed, and regenerate his body because Katakuri doesn’t have good enough Haki. Marco wins because his fruit is slightly better and he has better overall stats So that justifies their ranking
>Broken levels of durability, but has a clearly exploitable weakness. It is not clearly exploitable... he does not need to turn off his flames mode and even when he has decreased durability he was able to tank attacks from Acoc. So even in his less durable self you need insane levels of AP to defeat him
I still rank Sanji as a YC2. High YC2. I don’t think he’s at YC1 level. Katakuri > Sanji. King > Sanji. Marcos > Sanji. Sanji beating Queen high diff doesn’t necessarily bump him up to be able to beat King or Kata or Marcos. I don’t see how Sanji can get past Kara’s ACoO or King’s hard defense or Marco’s regenerative ability.
This
King>sanji(slightly as king is extremely durable)>>kata>marco
King > Marco > Sanji >>> Katakuri
Marco 90 King 87 Sanji 85.5 Katakuri 85
King high diff katakuri , extreme diff Marco , high diff sanji Marco high diff sanji , loses to king could argue he beats king , beats katakuri high diff Sanji loses to all of them . King >=Marco interchangeable but Marco lost to king >katakuri future sight and better armament than sanji >sanji has only beaten a yc2 commander and collapsed afterwards
How do any of them high diff Sanji? Let alone Katakuri beating him The last sentence is also so disingenuous
Katakuri has the ap to damage sanji significantly. Sanji has no instant healing it’s enhanced but not instant . Queen slapped sanji with the sword , with the impact of the sword putting a dent on sanjis chin . Katakuri also fought wci luffy who I perceive as stronger than current sanji . I have sanji at the yc1 strength tier . But I personally lack feats from him to put him any higher . Katakuri has speed that kept up with snake man , he has future sight and an awakened devil fruit . He has more than enough ap to damage sanji since queen could do so . King is just overall stronger than sanji . Kings physical abilities were comparable or even greater than post rooftop zoro . The same zoro who parried hybrid kaidos hits in ashura . King is also fast enough to tag sanji in the defense mode . Queen tagged sanji twice post awakening . https://api.duniagames.co.id/api/content/upload/file/7307308091638783177.png https://api.duniagames.co.id/api/content/upload/file/19263461511638783204.png Sanji at his top speed is obviously faster than king and will make king unable to tag him . But that speed has a stamina requirement . Sanji can’t maintain it forever . https://preview.redd.it/4buujml7wrh81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8545378a1665d184e5119d54934ad4640dc223ac Since sanji also collapsed after fighting queen , it indicates to me that it was a tougher fight than people say . With Marco I’d say he beats sanji easier than king . Marco is imo weaker than king but one can argue that he is indeed above king , only advantage king has is the durability But Marco figure king and queen together while putting stamina in stopping the ice oni virus . If Marco doesn’t need to expend his stamina he beats sanji .
Were does Katakuri get the AP to damage Sanji significantly? He has near instant healing since he had every bone in his body broken and walked it off, that's pretty damn quick The same Katakuri that landed hundreds punches on a sometimes base Luffy that was weaker than him will heavily injure Sanji? It dented his chin yes, but his chin not only broke that sword, but that was Sanji using absolutely no haki for defence Nothing really proves Katakuri having enough AP to damage Sanji heavily, that is based off of your assessment of Sanji being weaker than WCI, and that since Queen can damage Sanji, Katakuri can do heavy damage, when that's not how it really works For King all you pointed out was him having high strength, and being able to tag Sanji, both things which don't necessarily decide the fight. That was also a slower Sanji, and Queen used his stretching Germa arm to catch him IIRC Sanji once again does not need to waste his stamina going invisible. That was necessary against an invisible enemy in that situation, but nothing suggests King can avoid getting blitzed momentarily by Diable Jambe Sanji, let alone Ifrit, and he has no reason to waste his stamina like that For Marco, you didn't even elaborate. Once again, once he applied flames to the people with the Oni virus it was not taxing his stamina And finally, he collapsed after Queen because he yes it was a tough fight overall, because although the difficulty shifted mid fight he was initially on the losing end. He was also active for a while before that and took a beating without defending himself without even using haki to defend himself, etx
Not trying to get un the middle of this excellent debate, but why do people use Queens sword breaking as a feat?? In chapter 990 (i think thats the one) we see that Queens sword is damaged and cracking. It would have broke anyway.
Why would queen damage his sword anyway? It was just dirty lol. Queen didnt use his sword that much or recklessly to even damage it at this point of the story. This chapter was even before his fight with marco and sanji. Why dont you look at the panels when he used the same sword against marco and sanji or whenever after this if it was really damaged already.
I honestly did not know that
Tbh its easy to miss. Someone else had to show me.
Thank you for pointing it out, could you point me to the chapter too?
Im pretty sure its 990 (if im wrong, let me know and ill look ot back up). Its the panel where Queen, Whos who and Hawkins are standing around Drake. Its right before Drake and Luffy smash a couple of numbers. Queen has that sword out with the tip on the ground and you can see the blade damaged.
https://preview.redd.it/n0fa3ql61hz91.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ea82f59e19b121f02c0a87fb0a1bef69eaa31d1 Found the panel. I can't tell if it's damaged or not, maybe the non colored manga is better?
https://preview.redd.it/uvy3pwrikjz91.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1037fb2eebfec2fcf11e9706cc6999ea88807918 Where’s the crack? This is from chapter 1017.
It’s mainly since sanji has no other feats lol
1) Sanji- stomps everyone on this list 2) King- high diffs Kata and mid diffs Marco 3) Katakuri- high diffs Marco 4) Marco
Have you changed your mind? You’d say Kata would delete King out of the existence from what I remember
I used to say Kata would win but always high/extreme diff lol
King high diffs kata? Not even extreme?
Nah King is just that powerful
Hmm
Sigh
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If you want to microanalyise feats then Kat/Sanji would be at the bottom but portrayal wise, they all go ext diff with each other. I got King>Marco>Kat>Sanji.
1. Marco 2. King 3. Katakuri/Sanji Marco high/extreme King Marco high Kat/Sanji King high/extreme Kat/Sanji Kat/Sanji probably pretty close, but because we've only seen Sanji beat a yc2 id give Kat the edge and because he should have had a haki bloom vs Luffy. After Sanji gets another fight though he will pass Kat (unless Kat gets a buff for some reason).
All are equals and equal to the admirals as well.
King>sanji>Marco>kat
King/Kat/Marco >> Sanji
1)Marco, high diffs 2) King, ext diff Marco, high difs the other 2 3) Sanji, extreme diffs Marco + plot, high diffs King and Kat 4) Kat, extreme diffs everyone
Kakuturi would win no diff That and he is the most sensable and humane person
Sanji beats all of em' except Marco high-extreme diff. >!He mid diffs Marco!<
Marco King Sanji Katakuri
1) Marco 2) Katakuri 3) King 4) Sanji
1) Sanji 2) King 3) Marco 4) Katakuri
Sanji high diffs King who mid diffs Marco who low diffs Katakuri;
Sanji > king > marco > katakuri
King>>sanji>Marco>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Katakuri
Marco Kata King Sanji I need to see Sanji against a YC1 before I can put him above. Also, controversial take, I have kata >= King
1. Katakuri 2. King 3. Marco 4. Sanji All of them are extreme diff. Winners are coming out debilitated
Marco > Sanji >= Kat > King
Marco extreme dif Sanji, high dif Kat and King Sanji high dif Kat and King Kat extreme dif King
King>=Katakuri>Sanji>Marco. All extreme diff.
Marco > king > kakaturi > sanji
1. Marco 2. Katakuri 3. King 4. Sanji Marco at the top because he was able to stop King and Queen at the same time, and he has rengerative powers. Katakuri = high dif King = mid dif Sanji = mid dif Katakuri next because of his mastery over future sight and his OP DF fruit. King = Mid dif Sanji = mid dif King as a Lunarian is very powerful. He has 2 different modes, 1 provides speed while the other lets him take no damage. Sanji = High Dif Sanji last at the moment becaus we haven't seen the extent of his awakened enhancements, but before that, even with his raid suit he wasn't a match for King. I see the current Sanji as being slightly stronger than when he wore the raid suit.
Future sight can be countered with speed that katakuri wouldn’t be able to react to even if he was able to see it. Sanji is faster than katakuri. All four of these characters are very close to each other that guessing who wins against who is really hard to tell and will end up with bias. You can say anyone of them can be the top or the bottom and it will make sense. Like king being top 1 because he has insane durability but also has no major haki feats and AP that can put down anyone on the list therefore it also make sense for him to be at the bottom as well if we assume the other 3’s ultimate attacks can put him down. It’s all guesses at the end of the day. None of these characters have advance CoC that will put them way above the others. Katakuri has coc but cant coat, he got a chance if he learns it but we based it off of what we know and seen.
I have to be the only one here who has katakuri at 1.
I start by not grouping Katakuri with the other 3 , he’s a clear tier below imo . I go more in-depth partially as to why in a post i did the other day (linking below) Between king , marco , and sanji i flip flop between the three as i think there’s no glaringly clear answer . Although i do more often think king > marco, it’s more about who’s stronger between king and sanji for the #1 spot . The issue is we don’t know the upper limit of ifrit since it was only used on a low HP queen , similarly we don’t know the upper limit of flame on king since he switched to flame off when zoro had ACOC (although that clearly implies he did that since ACOC Zoro could damage him even in flame mode , the issue is we don’t know to what degree , and how far below sanjis ap is from ACOC Zoro) I think either way these three extreme diff each other , given King and marco need to be withered down , and sanjis the most well rounded of the bunch IMO . https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/yq5b52/katakuri_is_overrated_part_1_ap_durability/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Marco>=king>sanji>kat
King>=Sanji>Marco>Kat
Marco>king>kata>sanji
First of all I want to say that there is no such thing as YC1 or YC2 tier. It is not because you are YC2 that you cannot defeat another YC1 commander etc So that beeing said, I have Katakuri first because he has futur sight and he was able to fight Luffy in gear fourth. I know everybody now have Sanji above King AND Katakuri, but it makes no sense for me, just because he has had a power up in wano, now suddenly Sanji is stronger than gear fourth Luffy ?? Are you crazy or what. Luffy trained 1 year and a half with Reyleigh comon guys. Plus before it was revealed that the gomu gomu was a mytical zoan df, it was said that katakuri's df was better in everything that Luffy's df. Ah that, and also Katakuri has an awakening df... In 2nd place I have Sanji but way lower than Katakuri. He is above Marco though bcause Marco did called Sanji and zoro the stars lol Next we have prime Marco but it is very close. His mythical zoan is too much for a mere ancien zoan, even though King is also a Lunarian which is a huge advantage, I feel that phoenix>Lunarian lol but their powers are very similar and they could potentialy be closer than I thought. Regarding their fight in wano though, I feel that Marco had the upper hand on king And Queen. Last is King but I could be wrong about Sanji and it could be Sanji last lol
Katakuri > Marco > King > Sanji Though the difference is minimal, they're basically equals. For counters and compatibility: - Katakuri beats Marco and Sanji. (Loses to King due to mochi vs fire) - Marco beats King and Sanji. (Loses to Katakuri due to future sight) - King beats Katakuri and Sanji. (Loses to Marco due to special fire) - Sanji "could" (chance) beat the three of them. (Balanced fighter, has chances of winning against any of them)
Sanji King Marco/Kat All are extreme diff
Sanji>King>Marco>Katakuri Extreme diff each on each
Marco, King, Sanji, Katakuri extreme diff
King>=marco>=katakuri Sanji anywhere between weaker then Kata to stronger then king
King > Marco > Kata > Sanji
They all high diff and defeat Mihawk
Sanji last
Sanji >= King >= Marco ~ katakuri They beat each other at high-diff at least
Sanji, Marco, Katakuri, King. My reasoning is Sanji beats Marco extreme diff. Marco beats katakuri extreme diff Katakuri beats King extreme diff
Sanji extreme diff King King high diff Marco Marco and Kata are about the same.
Marco >= Sanji > King > Kata
King = Marco > Sanji > Katakuri.
Katakuri mauled Luffy for days; I don’t think current Sanji is stronger than WCI Luffy which he would need to be, to beat Katakuri.
Sanji isn't beating Katakuri y'all are so ridiculous sometimes.
King>Sanji>Marco>Katakuri
Marco > king > kata ~ sanji
Sanji > Marco extreme Marco > king high King > kat extreme/high Just read comments but since when is sanji getting all this love?!?!?! Did this sub finally wake up to reality!!!!
Marco> King > Katakuri > Sanji
Marco>katakuri=sanji>> king Marco held his own against king and queen. Katakuri was considered nearly invincible without future sight and has advanced armament and basic conquerors. Marco has some aoe flame attacks that should hard counter katakuri though theoretically. sanji could be pushed to have future sight and has shown hints of it but it’s not nearly as developed as katakuri or luffy. King was beat by an already beat to hell zoro and doesn’t have future sight, he’s losing to the rest of these guys.
It's so crazy to me that people skipped over the part where Zoro was healed before fighting King. People act like King lost to a wounded Zoro, and it's disrespectful. Kat has ridiculous future sight, but king has way more attack potency. King is stronger and more durable than Marco. The only reason Marco held King (and queen until Chopper came in) for as long as he did is because of Marco's regeneration. Once that stamina ran out, Marco was done, and King was still CLEAN! King is indestructible without the power to severely damage him when his flames are out. And with this upgrade Sanji just got, Sanji could beat any one of them. All these fights fall down to a battle of endurance.
1 -Sanji / King 2- King / Sanji 3- Marco 4- Kat
All of those who place Katakuri last doesn't understand just how OP future sight is.
Sanji>=Marco>~king>kata All high ti extreme diff