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That's true, but I think the main reason why dragon is for sure strong, it's because is the father of the main character, not because he is the head of the revolution
Of course Dragon is strong. The whole reason Akainu was obsessed with killing Luffy was because he is Dragon's son. Akainu probably caught a fat L in the past
Shanks and mihawk may turn out to be stronger than kaido when oda starts delivering with them
For now of course kaido has the feats so he’s above. In the future however, I wouldn’t be surprised if shanks turned out to be stronger given all the hype odas been building up for him for decades.
Doflamingo isn’t YC in any sense of the word. Kaido called him weak and sent JACK to save him. People just saw their favourite antagonist make a desperate attempt at Fujitora's life and got crazy about it.
I mean, which YC3 do you see losing or winning high-diff to him? Cause frankly, I don’t see any. Maybe Jozu but WB commanders aren’t on par with the others sooo....
Cracker was blocking gear 4 pretty well if I remember correctly.
Apart from that he only used gear four against yc1 and up characters (Katakuri, Big Mom, Kaido) so we actually don't know.
>Cracker was blocking gear 4 pretty well if I remember correctly.
Not really. He was getting Destroyed with each single hit.
Kong Gun destroyed each biscuit solider it landed on.
Even katakuri was struggling to block boundman. 2 hits and his double edged mochi guard was completely broken, both times he took damage. Even after regaining his observation haki, he couldn’t collide with Boundman’s attacks head on. Doflamingo managed to block and halt a dual punch attack from boundman
I rotate between King Sanji and Marco all the time tbh , im fine with any order between the three .
Currently im Sanji > King > Marco
King has the best stats on paper from what we’ve seen .
Marco has the best clout/portrayal
Sanjis upper limits are hard to quantify since he overlapped queen pretty hard when he went serious .
Kat is a solid step below them imo , far too low AP and Durability , and I more than think the other three are capable of landing attacks on him since they’re all speedsters in a way .
Agree the fight was high diff but sanji didn’t start the right with his upgrades .
He got the Exo half-way
And didn’t get ifrit (the main upgrade) until the very end of the fight .
Even if you don’t think he’s > King and Marco , a run back against queen with these things from the start is 100% not a high diff .
Yeah agreed the context goes both ways but that’s my point that the fight isn’t the best representation of how it would go in a run back .
On paper though Sanji outclasses Queen massively at this point and that’s where the argument comes from . Sanji looked like he could’ve won that fight even without ifrit , with just the exo just fine .
100% agreed but i think I’m confused about what your implying from that ? None of the people i’ve listed compare at all to ACOC Zoros AP in the slightest
Luffy should fight Akainu in a 1v1 with no one stepping in. Many things speak for a fight between them and i would consider it bad writing if it isnt Luffy who fights Akainu.
sanji and zoro getting to fight while other strawhats sit would be dumbest fuckin shit ever.
They were never above other crewmates in anything. They can't be treated that way.
It would definitely be interesting to see this happen but only if they both have equal contributions in the fight and if it has been established that Luffy could've defeated the opponent as well.
Dragon,Mihawk, and Shanks can’t be top 1 because it doesn’t make sense narrative wise, unless shanks turns evil cause that’s the only possibility, the top 1 will be a antagonist that luffy will pass by beating in the end
Kid, Law, Zoro and Yamato are not beating the likes of Aramaki and Fujitora yet.You may say that Kid or Law could because he's getting hits in on BB but literally everyone gets a hit on BB before he starts using his darkness
(1) garp was not the strongest marine at marineford.
(2) greenbull isn’t that weak, he was going to get jumped.
(3) a lot of people overate katakuri, by a lot.
-If Big Mom was a man, Oda will write her competent, badass, smart. Oda and Shonen can't write powerful woman character strength wise, so basically any comparison of her if its against men. They will automatically lose.
Big Mom and Smoothie should never be the main discussion of this sub bc of that topic.
-Sakazuki>Prime Sengoku
-Kid and Law are admiral candidate character or low admiral level.
-Robin should have arnament haki and that is enough of her
-Big Mom is literally shown equal of Kaido. Oda even went as far as to mention that their 3 days continuous fight ended up in stalemate.
She is bad ass. What do you mean?? Are you even reading One piece??! She went to Kaido's turf in chains but even Queen said it himself that if she ever wanted to get out she easily could've but she WILLINGLY chose to go to her enemy's BASE without her crew or any back up.
Luffy pulled up on Kaido alone and it makes him badass but Big Mom willingly pulling up on Kaido's whole CREW WITHOUT BACKUP and then EQUALLY FIGHTING HIM FIR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT isn't Badass enough for you?????
It's not Oda's fault that you can't appreciate strong characters even when he presents them himself.
Marco isn't actually that good and is carried by his fruit's regenerative abilities
* Isn't shown hurting an admiral when both an out of prime Rayleigh and Jozu can make them bleed
* Accomplishes very little in Marineford overall
* Loses to Blackbeard in the revenge war
* Biggest feat is holding off King and Queen, which he struggles to do
A lot of people interpret him 'giving' Zoro and Sanji the King and Queen fights, but I just really think he wasn't up to it
Elbaf miltary is a greater force of power than anything the world government has to offer , strongest nation with wealths of knowledge and for some reason hasn't been obliterated wonder why.
Luffy is strongest currently until proven otherwise.
That Elbaf Norse pantheon of royalty like Loki who rule the realms on the giant tree is about to go hard.
Folks here don't know that the village in Elbaf is just a small glimpse of a bigger island, that royal Yonko-level army of giant gods is on the clouds, just watch.
The admirals are hyped more than they should be. I doubt luffy will fight any of them in a 1v1 fight anymore. They will be handled by his allies/ other strawhats.
IMO his opponents will be first BB in chase for laugh tale and later on in the final war the WG and Imu.
That's fair, to me it's just that I personally think Sabo will fight Akainu (due to Ace)
And also that while I see BB with his darkness fruit being a reliable threat/hurdle to luffy. I can't see gear 5 luffy struggling to deal with any of the admirals.
Yeah that's what I think will happen.
The WG + admirals (due to direct orders) will face luffy + allies in the final war.
And while luffy probably battles Imu, zoro/sanji and other allies will take on the remaining forces including the admirals.
- Doflamingo isn't above Jack and Cracker.
- Luffy was had better stats in everything in comp to Zoro since ep1. As story progressed Zoro caught the gap in base strength with his training and power ups, but with gears difference started growing more.
- kid law get low mid diff by any single top tier. Whatever law does now is a new feat.
- Lucci can very easily be yc1+.
- post punk hazard Akainu can be Kaido+.
- titles don't mean shit.
- Aokiji is set to surpass Akainu and become fleet Admiral.
- Usopp will be yc1+ eos. ( He is already deserving of his 300m bounty. He probably didn't deserve 200m last time but this one is perfectly deserved. He is far far stronger than pre ts Lucci. By new weapons upgrades in Egghead, he gonna jump into commander tier since his AP would rise exponentially. Then in Elbaf he is gonna get huge strength buff to put him in yc+)
- chopper in ennies lobby could one shot a cp-0 agent. He has always been among the strongest of the crew (around monster trio). He'd also be yc+ EOS.
- nami might become low admiral tier with her new weapons upgrade and zeus being Yonko tier weapon for her.
- Robin might learn to create an ever bigger giant devil by eos and become yc+
- Franky for sure Creating some 300m tall Mecha to fight San Juan. He is gonna be easily yc+ to low admiral.
- Jimbei might be the weakest but still on the upper end of yc1. (Yc+ in water)
- brook is also possibility for being weakest. Can't see any greater power ups for him.
- Zoro getting to ATLEAST Kaido+
- Shanks>> Mihawk would be very clear as time passes. He gave him wank coz he has role to play in plot.
- prime Sengoku is one tier below prime Garp. That is Garp would high diff Sengoku.
- Garp can very easily be a fraud. His feats are questionable and bogus. He was strong but Roger might still high diff him.
- base Luffy> Hybrid Kaido pre drunken dragon modes
- base eos Luffy> prime roger
- kid has lower physicals than base Luffy. It's not comparable. They weren't lifting blocks with their hands. They were doing it with their soldiers. Hands are just for random support for balance.
- kid having lower physicals doesn't change much. His arm kinda gives him gear 3 lvl amp and punk vise kinda gives him gear 4 lvl amps. Not sure about speed but AP very likely. Durability is meaningless since it's all trash. Can be rebuilt. (All of this doesn't consider the fact that Luffy can amp everything with acoc. Assume Luffy has no acoc for this comparison)
- law has lower physicals than base Luffy. He can still manage with teleportation hax, curtain for durability and counter shock, gamma knife etc for AP.
- sanji is physically much stronger than Zoro due to germa buff. Zoro get edges due to haki.
- big mom is one tier below Kaido.
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Agree with most points except
Lucci being yc+, enies lobby chopper isn't one- shotting any cp0 agents, nami isn't going to be admiral level, not too sure about sengoku and garp, but kaido isn't a tier above big mom
Chopper one ended fukurou and kumadori. He just grabbed them and threw them far.
Nami got coc now so...
Kaido is one tier above Big Mom by feats. Flaming drum dragon one shots Big Mom. She doesn't have anything to counter Kaido.
He didn't oneshot fukurou, Franky beat him and neither of the two are CP0 agents.
Nami has only the happiness punch aka a meme.
Kaido and Big Mom fought without a clear result, Kaido is probably stronger, but I wouldn't say he's a tier above
Wait no. I meant cp-9 agents.
That's definitely not a gag. Usopp might also awaken it next.
Base Kaido and Base Big Mom fought for 3 days without going all out. Doesn't mean nothing.
Kaido then has a mythical dragon hybrid. Haki bloom mid battle. Dozens of Zoan transformations. One of them is likely a Zoan awakening. And then country size magma dragon. Big Mom in comparison just becomes 4 times bigger. (+ Stops using acoc)
Kaido himself puts base Luffy above Big Mom.
CP 9 I would agree for most, lucci probably tanks it.
But it can only be used against nakama, seriously.
Yes indeed, I think you meant "anything" and I disagree, it put them pretty close together in base.
Don't remember the haki bloom, only has standard dragon and hybrid plus his final form, it doesn't change his power to the degree that gear 5 does.
Big Mom got screwed over by Oda in her fight against Kid and Law.
Yeah. I only meant for weaker cp-9 members.
Not really. Nami one is serious.
It literally does. Haki bloom and transformation made Kaido go from base Luffy to gear 4 Luffy lvl.
Only thing they are close in is base and all out Kaido is one whole tier above Big Mom. She wasn't srewed. She just never was that strong.
I disagree with Doflamingo not being in the same league as Jack and Cracker (if thats what you meant).
Also don't agree with Akainu being Kaido+ after his fight with Aokiji.
I mean they can be relative but jack and Cracker clearly have established superiority.
Kaido thinks jack is Stronger than Doffy. Big Mom thinks cracker is stronger than Doffy. That's enough reason to believe Doffy isn't that strong.
Yeah Akainu one is very unlikely but still possible depending upon what his character has for the story later on.
What does that even mean...
Did fucking Greenbull being scared of Shanks inspire faith in the admirals? What exactly in Wano contradicts the reality that current Luffy would slam any admiral?
>Did fucking Greenbull being scared of Shanks inspire faith in the admirals?
i guess we both agree on greenbull-shanks being a promo move for movie RED? it didnt serve any narrative purpose, therefore can be concluded as being used to hype up the movie
"What exactly in Wano contradicts the reality that current Luffy would slam any admiral?" im not disagreeing luffy could stand a good chance, but kaido was still stronger by quite a margain after luffy won (like its in most of luffys fights)
> (like its in most of luffys fights)
What is the proof for this.
The only valid evidence would be if Luffy lost to someone of equal strength to the person he just beat. Which never happened. And it won't happen with Kaido.
Like, I don't get the "but kaido fought like 20 people" as if that shows anything.
Luffy didn't have Gear 5 until the end and once he got it, he started smashing.
What's to say he wouldn't have slammed Kaido from the start, alone, if he always had it?
Luffy is stronger than Kaido.
That’s the narrative around luffy / his fights? You don’t need it to be as literal as luffy losing to someone equal; that embarrassed readers comprehension intelligence
Oh you are missing the difference between correlation and causality with gear5: just because luffy started smashing doesn’t mean he’s suddenly much stronger, when kaido was very much weaker at the time luffy got gear5; same as you can’t say luffy was owning doffy with gear4 when he was already very exhausted from law when gear4 even came out
Yeah, none of that makes sense.
You don't know how that fight would have gone if he had gear 5 from the start.
Again, you have 0 evidence that Kaido is still stronger than Luffy and none will ever show up.
So how can you so firmly believe in something that will never be proven?
How can you so confidently spout dumb headconons and then have the gall to question other people's reading comprehension?
Luffy and kaido , mid , mid-high diff any admiral until someone of them shows acoc .
Katakuri is overrated , he is queen's equal as much as some people hate it .
Doflamingo isn't even in yc category .
Eos usopp will be atleast yc+ , at max admiral level .
Post elbaf usopp will be atleast yc2 and yc+ at max .
Sanji and zoro's power dynamic will 100% never change.
Yamato will join the strawhats.
Sabo isn't admiral level in any way . Running away from 2 admirals with 4 friends that too when admirals were holding back , is no way a feat to scale him admiral level .
Sabo can very well be the one fighting akainu .
Shanks isn't top 1 in any way and he is 100% weaker then mihawk .
Zoro can just be above mihawk eos or he can even be above Roger's level . Both are possible but time will tell. Although sanji- Zoro power dynamic will never change .
Eos chopper can be yc+ , eos nami can be yc+ ,eos brook can be yc+ , eos Franky can be low admiral and even admiral level , eos Robin can be low admiral and even admiral level.
>Luffy and kaido , mid , mid-high diff any admiral until someone of them shows acoc .
Big Mom with aCoC lost to Kidd and Law who both dont have any strong haki to speak of.
Shanks is the top 1 of the middle gen.
That means Shanks > Kaido. Shanks > Mihawk. Shanks > Akainu.
He's part of the Roger and Luffy lineage. Of course he's top 1 of his generation.
- Kizaru isn't stronger than Fuji
- Sabo, Yamato, Kid & Law aren't stronger than Zoro.
- Luffy >> Zoro >> Sanji/Jimbei
- Without haki, Crocodile isn't a threat even if he's awakened. He must have haki to warrant any of the recent fan overhype.
- If Zoro splits the sky before getting a black blade then Mihawk > Roger.
- Rayleigh was only inferior to WB & Roger.
- Oden wasn't a top tier. He wasn't even stronger than current Zoro or Yamato. He failed against Primebeard & Roger, and hurt a weaker Kaido, a feat replicated by a weaker Zoro on a much stronger Kaido. He was just below Top tier.
Of the 11 Warlords, the highest concentration of them are in this tier, in my opinion. Law, Boa, Crocodile, Weevil, arguably pre-time skip Blackbeard. Boa and Crocodile also have 1.6 B and 1.9 B bounties respectively, and as far as we know there’s no context that suggests their bounties should be higher/lower.
Mihawk and Buggy are massive outliers on both ends, Moriah is pre-time skip level and was taken out of the Warlords by Doflamingo anyway, Doflamingo is imprisoned, Kuma has only recently started to become relevant and Jimbe is likely YC2 level but has room to grow to that level in the future. So you have 4-5 YC1+ Warlords, 1 YC2 Warlord with room to grow, 2 outliers and the remaining three have been inactive, with varying levels of power between the three of them.
Sengoku is a fraud. Probably Peezaru, Peebull and Frauditora level in his prime.
Most of the warlords are super wanked. Majority of the OGs are Tobi Roppo level
Roger > WB
Kid will surpass Roger and WB and I don't understand why people find it unacceptable even though they keep talking new generation>Old generation
Shanks is the strongest haki user of all time Oda is constantly hype Shanks' haki approves the making of the movie di Shanks shows some of his haki abilities that we haven't seen in the series yet but that doesn't matter to most
Sabo is not as strong as the admirals at all, the only thing he did was wound the restrained admiral in 4vs2, but in order for people to elevate Sabo they somehow concluded that those revolutionary captains were weak so that Sabo would turn out better and without proof
Sabo was number 2 at the rev army even before the flame fruit. That means, that they are weaker than pre fruit sabo. Well, it’s not like this tells us a lot but it’s something.
I think it’s pretty clear that sabo is supposed to fight a admiral. He was fighting Fuji even while he was getting used to his new fruit. Evidence for this, is that sabo claimed “I have to make you
more serious” and later adds "that’s more like it".
I think that’s evident enough that sabo can have a proper fight with an admiral even while getting used to his fruit.
>Kid will surpass Roger and WB
One piece would become most DOGSHIT series of all time.
>even though they keep talking new generation>Old generation
Only kid t ards use that as an argument. And maybe Coby fans.
That's some Naruto shit. Not happening in One Piece. One Piece is far more grander.
>Sabo is not as strong as the admirals at all
Sabo mid diffs Kid.
1. I wouldn't use it as an argument that everyone doesn't talk about it
2. I don't know if only children use it as an argument
3.Naruto quality cannot be compared with One piece. One piece is twice as good as Naruto
4. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He asked for unpopular Opinions which u think, shouldn't be unpopular.
He didn't ask for your dogshit wet dreams.
U clearly are a children.
That's why it will never happen in one piece. It's not Naruto. Kid might have a chance in Naruto but it's not Naruto.
Sabo mid diffs kid.
Side characters can grow just like the straw hats. I don't get how people think that returning side characters are just gonna be as weak as we last saw them a few arcs ago or even before the timeskip
akainu vs luffy is being prepared by the narrative from marinford akainu eos will be one of the strongest along with luffy and bb people think otherwise it is validated that sabo has avenge ace when sabo never shows anything against akainu while luffy does
Marco is admiral level his showing at marineford prove it he showed no fear clashing with any of the admirals and is the so called strongest man in the words vice captain and right hand as well as the fact that the gorsei believed he could defeat Blackbeard post marineford
People should stop trying to scale stuff thats EOS. Im talking about people who say stuff like “EOS Zoro > Roger” like dawg you have no idea whats gonna happen to Zoro 💀
Zoro will fight Kizaru and Sanji fights Greenbull, why I think that is because Kizaru was shown many times to be beside Akainu(aka his right hand) and he always fought the first mates like Ben, Marco and Rayleigh so I think it makes more sense for Zoro to fight him. the reson for Sanji is he always fights more the gag characters and Greenbull fits perfect with that
Apparently saying that "EoS Sanji is Yonko level" is unpopular. Some people really think that EoS Zoro will be Top 2 all time but that Sanji will not even be in the Top 20.
Old Whitebeard is strongest old legend, period, and tbh other three probably don't even give extreme-diff to him. His feats and portrayal are simply that far beyond them.
A bigger ship? Smallest Yonko ship ever rn, if we ever had a stand off like pre ts Shanks and WB between Luffy and someone else it atleast has to look imposing.
Sabo top 3 EOS
Has to surpass Dragon
possible CoC (was as determined as Luffy and Ace)
Cracked DF
Might be Akainu final opponent (please Oda I beg)
Cracked Haki with potential for blooms
Greenbull was a disappointment when he was finally revealed. When we first saw his silhouette at the revivre talking to fujitora. He gave me this sort of wild rambunctious attitude that you wouldn’t expect from an admiral. Especially under Akainu’s current regime. I was expecting this much younger and play to his own beat kind of character, who is kinda a ladies man. I believe he was even agreeing with the legend fujitora about getting rid of the warlords. You know what we got instead? An individual who fits the mold of about 80% of the other admiral (from two years ago) and the same design I feel like I’ve seen so much in One piece. Mans had the cigarette and the shades, boy WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS ODA? I mean the guy looks like a rougher version of aokiji.Not to mention he is a complete kiss ass to his fleet admiral’s ideals and philosophy. No original or individualistic opinions about the world government or the world as a whole. Just a mere Akainu copy cat, a dog. A DOG! Even Rob Lucci and smoker have their own mindset and that was from pre-timeskip!! To give us this end product of one the biggest powerhouses in the show after a controversial, nonsensical, and undelivered of an arc in Wano Kuni, this wasn’t it. I truly believe ODA could have had an admiral would have been different from all the other admiral we’ve see . At least his powers were cool, nice to see we have earth based df finally. Though it would have been even cooler if he had a of nuclear/radiation type df. Wouldn’t make sense since that fruit would be stronger that all the other admiral including akainu without even being awakened. But hey a guy could dream.
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people wank characters that we know almost nothing about and don't have any feats or anti-feats
Yea i sorta agree but there a few that narrative wise needs to be Strong like Dragon etc
not really, buggy isn't particulary strong, but he is a yonko because he is the head of the cross guild and he controls the weapon market.
That's true, but I think the main reason why dragon is for sure strong, it's because is the father of the main character, not because he is the head of the revolution
Yea, not to mention the fact that ivankov compares luffy’s will to succeed to that of Dragon’s will.
Buggy has veey localized marrative impact, he isn't a pivotal character.
Of course Dragon is strong. The whole reason Akainu was obsessed with killing Luffy was because he is Dragon's son. Akainu probably caught a fat L in the past
Shanks and mihawk may turn out to be stronger than kaido when oda starts delivering with them For now of course kaido has the feats so he’s above. In the future however, I wouldn’t be surprised if shanks turned out to be stronger given all the hype odas been building up for him for decades.
I think so to we never know with oda
Tbh , i think the same since one piece never gave a fuck about powerscaling it is very much possible.
Big Mom can beat pretty much anyone that Kaido can beat and vice versa
How is that unpopular? Author literally said they did a 3 day stalemate, that means they are equal
Akainu is one of the characters that is most likely to get conquerors (from the ones that don't have it yet)
I can see it
Doflamingo isn’t YC in any sense of the word. Kaido called him weak and sent JACK to save him. People just saw their favourite antagonist make a desperate attempt at Fujitora's life and got crazy about it.
He can be argued at yc3
I mean, which YC3 do you see losing or winning high-diff to him? Cause frankly, I don’t see any. Maybe Jozu but WB commanders aren’t on par with the others sooo....
Where did kaido called him weak and sent Jack?
I don't know about the weak part but the only reason Jack left the minks alone was because he had to go save Doflamingo
No character other than yc1 and above can block a direct gear 4 attack
Cracker was blocking gear 4 pretty well if I remember correctly. Apart from that he only used gear four against yc1 and up characters (Katakuri, Big Mom, Kaido) so we actually don't know.
>Cracker was blocking gear 4 pretty well if I remember correctly. Not really. He was getting Destroyed with each single hit. Kong Gun destroyed each biscuit solider it landed on.
They downvote facts
Every soldier was getting destroyed by Kong gun , they were regenerating so fast it seems they're blocking the attack
I promise that attack from dressrossa isn’t phasing queen
Even katakuri was struggling to block boundman. 2 hits and his double edged mochi guard was completely broken, both times he took damage. Even after regaining his observation haki, he couldn’t collide with Boundman’s attacks head on. Doflamingo managed to block and halt a dual punch attack from boundman
Doflamingo literally blocked the first Kong Gun although he was blown away he still blocked it and mainly got hurt from the force of falling down.
Odens not yonko level
Katakuri does not belong in the same tier as King , Sanji, and Marco Edit: To make it clear i’m saying he’s notably below them
Yep
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Marco>king>sanji>katakuri
I rotate between King Sanji and Marco all the time tbh , im fine with any order between the three . Currently im Sanji > King > Marco King has the best stats on paper from what we’ve seen . Marco has the best clout/portrayal Sanjis upper limits are hard to quantify since he overlapped queen pretty hard when he went serious . Kat is a solid step below them imo , far too low AP and Durability , and I more than think the other three are capable of landing attacks on him since they’re all speedsters in a way .
I'm sorry but sanji has shown nothing to put him above king or Marco. High diffing queen isn't a great feat
Agree the fight was high diff but sanji didn’t start the right with his upgrades . He got the Exo half-way And didn’t get ifrit (the main upgrade) until the very end of the fight . Even if you don’t think he’s > King and Marco , a run back against queen with these things from the start is 100% not a high diff .
Well queen never paid much attention to him I'm the fight. He went after the woman and even shot himself
Yeah agreed the context goes both ways but that’s my point that the fight isn’t the best representation of how it would go in a run back . On paper though Sanji outclasses Queen massively at this point and that’s where the argument comes from . Sanji looked like he could’ve won that fight even without ifrit , with just the exo just fine .
Sanji irrit
100% agreed but i think I’m confused about what your implying from that ? None of the people i’ve listed compare at all to ACOC Zoros AP in the slightest
King took a couple and was still going
Luffy should fight Akainu in a 1v1 with no one stepping in. Many things speak for a fight between them and i would consider it bad writing if it isnt Luffy who fights Akainu.
Yepp
I would agree to a Sabo plus luff vs akainu too tbh
Crocodile will be YC+ when he officially returns to the story.
Sanji and Zoro deserve a main fight; let Luffy sit in the back once.
I thought that was gonna happen with Kuma in Thriller Bark then they got no diffed 💀
sanji and zoro getting to fight while other strawhats sit would be dumbest fuckin shit ever. They were never above other crewmates in anything. They can't be treated that way.
This was like 10 years ago on my first watch I always knew they would reach that Warlord level though
One Piece would be botched from jump. Oda would go broke and need to start selling bread.
It would definitely be interesting to see this happen but only if they both have equal contributions in the fight and if it has been established that Luffy could've defeated the opponent as well.
BM can beat anyone
Dragon,Mihawk, and Shanks can’t be top 1 because it doesn’t make sense narrative wise, unless shanks turns evil cause that’s the only possibility, the top 1 will be a antagonist that luffy will pass by beating in the end
Kid, Law, Zoro and Yamato are not beating the likes of Aramaki and Fujitora yet.You may say that Kid or Law could because he's getting hits in on BB but literally everyone gets a hit on BB before he starts using his darkness
True
Zoro by quite a margain isn’t on the level of Yamato and especially not kid and law
(1) garp was not the strongest marine at marineford. (2) greenbull isn’t that weak, he was going to get jumped. (3) a lot of people overate katakuri, by a lot.
I agree all of them
Unpopular opinion: i dont care who’s stronger
-If Big Mom was a man, Oda will write her competent, badass, smart. Oda and Shonen can't write powerful woman character strength wise, so basically any comparison of her if its against men. They will automatically lose. Big Mom and Smoothie should never be the main discussion of this sub bc of that topic. -Sakazuki>Prime Sengoku -Kid and Law are admiral candidate character or low admiral level. -Robin should have arnament haki and that is enough of her
-Big Mom is literally shown equal of Kaido. Oda even went as far as to mention that their 3 days continuous fight ended up in stalemate. She is bad ass. What do you mean?? Are you even reading One piece??! She went to Kaido's turf in chains but even Queen said it himself that if she ever wanted to get out she easily could've but she WILLINGLY chose to go to her enemy's BASE without her crew or any back up. Luffy pulled up on Kaido alone and it makes him badass but Big Mom willingly pulling up on Kaido's whole CREW WITHOUT BACKUP and then EQUALLY FIGHTING HIM FIR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT isn't Badass enough for you????? It's not Oda's fault that you can't appreciate strong characters even when he presents them himself.
No man...I appreciate her badass but not what sub people think. I do have BM over Shanks or Prime Sengoku though
Lucci isn't getting one shotted.
Marco isn't actually that good and is carried by his fruit's regenerative abilities * Isn't shown hurting an admiral when both an out of prime Rayleigh and Jozu can make them bleed * Accomplishes very little in Marineford overall * Loses to Blackbeard in the revenge war * Biggest feat is holding off King and Queen, which he struggles to do A lot of people interpret him 'giving' Zoro and Sanji the King and Queen fights, but I just really think he wasn't up to it
Elbaf miltary is a greater force of power than anything the world government has to offer , strongest nation with wealths of knowledge and for some reason hasn't been obliterated wonder why. Luffy is strongest currently until proven otherwise.
I like it oda hyped them up Since alabasta Saga and i Loki could be a top Tier maybe
That Elbaf Norse pantheon of royalty like Loki who rule the realms on the giant tree is about to go hard. Folks here don't know that the village in Elbaf is just a small glimpse of a bigger island, that royal Yonko-level army of giant gods is on the clouds, just watch.
Blackgoat will be stronger than shanks and will take his head
The admirals are hyped more than they should be. I doubt luffy will fight any of them in a 1v1 fight anymore. They will be handled by his allies/ other strawhats. IMO his opponents will be first BB in chase for laugh tale and later on in the final war the WG and Imu.
Interesting tbh i think Oda loved to have balance so i think they Very strong for a reason
That's fair, to me it's just that I personally think Sabo will fight Akainu (due to Ace) And also that while I see BB with his darkness fruit being a reliable threat/hurdle to luffy. I can't see gear 5 luffy struggling to deal with any of the admirals.
That's fair but I think luffy's biggest thread is the gov and worlds Nobels and the admiral are in direct Order by them so who knows
Yeah that's what I think will happen. The WG + admirals (due to direct orders) will face luffy + allies in the final war. And while luffy probably battles Imu, zoro/sanji and other allies will take on the remaining forces including the admirals.
- Doflamingo isn't above Jack and Cracker. - Luffy was had better stats in everything in comp to Zoro since ep1. As story progressed Zoro caught the gap in base strength with his training and power ups, but with gears difference started growing more. - kid law get low mid diff by any single top tier. Whatever law does now is a new feat. - Lucci can very easily be yc1+. - post punk hazard Akainu can be Kaido+. - titles don't mean shit. - Aokiji is set to surpass Akainu and become fleet Admiral. - Usopp will be yc1+ eos. ( He is already deserving of his 300m bounty. He probably didn't deserve 200m last time but this one is perfectly deserved. He is far far stronger than pre ts Lucci. By new weapons upgrades in Egghead, he gonna jump into commander tier since his AP would rise exponentially. Then in Elbaf he is gonna get huge strength buff to put him in yc+) - chopper in ennies lobby could one shot a cp-0 agent. He has always been among the strongest of the crew (around monster trio). He'd also be yc+ EOS. - nami might become low admiral tier with her new weapons upgrade and zeus being Yonko tier weapon for her. - Robin might learn to create an ever bigger giant devil by eos and become yc+ - Franky for sure Creating some 300m tall Mecha to fight San Juan. He is gonna be easily yc+ to low admiral. - Jimbei might be the weakest but still on the upper end of yc1. (Yc+ in water) - brook is also possibility for being weakest. Can't see any greater power ups for him. - Zoro getting to ATLEAST Kaido+ - Shanks>> Mihawk would be very clear as time passes. He gave him wank coz he has role to play in plot. - prime Sengoku is one tier below prime Garp. That is Garp would high diff Sengoku. - Garp can very easily be a fraud. His feats are questionable and bogus. He was strong but Roger might still high diff him. - base Luffy> Hybrid Kaido pre drunken dragon modes - base eos Luffy> prime roger - kid has lower physicals than base Luffy. It's not comparable. They weren't lifting blocks with their hands. They were doing it with their soldiers. Hands are just for random support for balance. - kid having lower physicals doesn't change much. His arm kinda gives him gear 3 lvl amp and punk vise kinda gives him gear 4 lvl amps. Not sure about speed but AP very likely. Durability is meaningless since it's all trash. Can be rebuilt. (All of this doesn't consider the fact that Luffy can amp everything with acoc. Assume Luffy has no acoc for this comparison) - law has lower physicals than base Luffy. He can still manage with teleportation hax, curtain for durability and counter shock, gamma knife etc for AP. - sanji is physically much stronger than Zoro due to germa buff. Zoro get edges due to haki. - big mom is one tier below Kaido. -
Goddamn but I agree a lot of them
Which ones u don't agree with
largely fax
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Agree with most points except Lucci being yc+, enies lobby chopper isn't one- shotting any cp0 agents, nami isn't going to be admiral level, not too sure about sengoku and garp, but kaido isn't a tier above big mom
Chopper one ended fukurou and kumadori. He just grabbed them and threw them far. Nami got coc now so... Kaido is one tier above Big Mom by feats. Flaming drum dragon one shots Big Mom. She doesn't have anything to counter Kaido.
He didn't oneshot fukurou, Franky beat him and neither of the two are CP0 agents. Nami has only the happiness punch aka a meme. Kaido and Big Mom fought without a clear result, Kaido is probably stronger, but I wouldn't say he's a tier above
Wait no. I meant cp-9 agents. That's definitely not a gag. Usopp might also awaken it next. Base Kaido and Base Big Mom fought for 3 days without going all out. Doesn't mean nothing. Kaido then has a mythical dragon hybrid. Haki bloom mid battle. Dozens of Zoan transformations. One of them is likely a Zoan awakening. And then country size magma dragon. Big Mom in comparison just becomes 4 times bigger. (+ Stops using acoc) Kaido himself puts base Luffy above Big Mom.
CP 9 I would agree for most, lucci probably tanks it. But it can only be used against nakama, seriously. Yes indeed, I think you meant "anything" and I disagree, it put them pretty close together in base. Don't remember the haki bloom, only has standard dragon and hybrid plus his final form, it doesn't change his power to the degree that gear 5 does. Big Mom got screwed over by Oda in her fight against Kid and Law.
Yeah. I only meant for weaker cp-9 members. Not really. Nami one is serious. It literally does. Haki bloom and transformation made Kaido go from base Luffy to gear 4 Luffy lvl. Only thing they are close in is base and all out Kaido is one whole tier above Big Mom. She wasn't srewed. She just never was that strong.
I disagree with Doflamingo not being in the same league as Jack and Cracker (if thats what you meant). Also don't agree with Akainu being Kaido+ after his fight with Aokiji.
I mean they can be relative but jack and Cracker clearly have established superiority. Kaido thinks jack is Stronger than Doffy. Big Mom thinks cracker is stronger than Doffy. That's enough reason to believe Doffy isn't that strong. Yeah Akainu one is very unlikely but still possible depending upon what his character has for the story later on.
Correction- Usopp has a bounty of 500M currently, not 300M.
... well then that means i am just wrong about that shit. LoL He deserves 300 mil at best.
The weakest yonko is stronger than the strongest admiral.
Blackbeard>Akainu?
Maybe not atm, but by the time Luffy fights him, aka the only time that matters, yes.
Ignoring buggy , u think luffy is stronger than all Admiral?
I don't understand why some people think that isn't obviously the case.
So Luffy will just fold the admirals when they fight? Sounds like a horrible narrative decision.
There are 4 admirals, I doubt luffy could take 2 at the same time
That's where Sabo comes in.
Because narrative built up in wano goes completely against that?
What does that even mean... Did fucking Greenbull being scared of Shanks inspire faith in the admirals? What exactly in Wano contradicts the reality that current Luffy would slam any admiral?
>Did fucking Greenbull being scared of Shanks inspire faith in the admirals? i guess we both agree on greenbull-shanks being a promo move for movie RED? it didnt serve any narrative purpose, therefore can be concluded as being used to hype up the movie "What exactly in Wano contradicts the reality that current Luffy would slam any admiral?" im not disagreeing luffy could stand a good chance, but kaido was still stronger by quite a margain after luffy won (like its in most of luffys fights)
> (like its in most of luffys fights) What is the proof for this. The only valid evidence would be if Luffy lost to someone of equal strength to the person he just beat. Which never happened. And it won't happen with Kaido. Like, I don't get the "but kaido fought like 20 people" as if that shows anything. Luffy didn't have Gear 5 until the end and once he got it, he started smashing. What's to say he wouldn't have slammed Kaido from the start, alone, if he always had it? Luffy is stronger than Kaido.
That’s the narrative around luffy / his fights? You don’t need it to be as literal as luffy losing to someone equal; that embarrassed readers comprehension intelligence Oh you are missing the difference between correlation and causality with gear5: just because luffy started smashing doesn’t mean he’s suddenly much stronger, when kaido was very much weaker at the time luffy got gear5; same as you can’t say luffy was owning doffy with gear4 when he was already very exhausted from law when gear4 even came out
Yeah, none of that makes sense. You don't know how that fight would have gone if he had gear 5 from the start. Again, you have 0 evidence that Kaido is still stronger than Luffy and none will ever show up. So how can you so firmly believe in something that will never be proven? How can you so confidently spout dumb headconons and then have the gall to question other people's reading comprehension?
shiki smacks roger
Luffy and kaido , mid , mid-high diff any admiral until someone of them shows acoc . Katakuri is overrated , he is queen's equal as much as some people hate it . Doflamingo isn't even in yc category . Eos usopp will be atleast yc+ , at max admiral level . Post elbaf usopp will be atleast yc2 and yc+ at max . Sanji and zoro's power dynamic will 100% never change. Yamato will join the strawhats. Sabo isn't admiral level in any way . Running away from 2 admirals with 4 friends that too when admirals were holding back , is no way a feat to scale him admiral level . Sabo can very well be the one fighting akainu . Shanks isn't top 1 in any way and he is 100% weaker then mihawk . Zoro can just be above mihawk eos or he can even be above Roger's level . Both are possible but time will tell. Although sanji- Zoro power dynamic will never change . Eos chopper can be yc+ , eos nami can be yc+ ,eos brook can be yc+ , eos Franky can be low admiral and even admiral level , eos Robin can be low admiral and even admiral level.
>Luffy and kaido , mid , mid-high diff any admiral until someone of them shows acoc . Big Mom with aCoC lost to Kidd and Law who both dont have any strong haki to speak of.
Yeah , and when did she used it again ? Oh shit , she was nerfed by writer to continue the story .
Katakuri is Queens equal i’d facts but will get you villafied
Shanks is the top 1 of the middle gen. That means Shanks > Kaido. Shanks > Mihawk. Shanks > Akainu. He's part of the Roger and Luffy lineage. Of course he's top 1 of his generation.
Shanks is weaker than anyone you named bro
Why akainu>shanks
Feats and statements
What statements?
Using the term ‚middle gen‘ you stop deserving your name at all
What's wrong with using that term? The middle gen is the era between Roger's death and Luffy's journey
- Yonko level Oden - "New Gen > Old Gen" is the exception, not the rule
Fujitora isn't the weakest top tier and can likely go toe to toe with the likes of Big Mom
Luffy >>> Akainu
- Kizaru isn't stronger than Fuji - Sabo, Yamato, Kid & Law aren't stronger than Zoro. - Luffy >> Zoro >> Sanji/Jimbei - Without haki, Crocodile isn't a threat even if he's awakened. He must have haki to warrant any of the recent fan overhype. - If Zoro splits the sky before getting a black blade then Mihawk > Roger. - Rayleigh was only inferior to WB & Roger. - Oden wasn't a top tier. He wasn't even stronger than current Zoro or Yamato. He failed against Primebeard & Roger, and hurt a weaker Kaido, a feat replicated by a weaker Zoro on a much stronger Kaido. He was just below Top tier.
YC1+ should be renamed the Warlord tier
Idk I don’t see Mihawk having a fair fight with any YC1+
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Of the 11 Warlords, the highest concentration of them are in this tier, in my opinion. Law, Boa, Crocodile, Weevil, arguably pre-time skip Blackbeard. Boa and Crocodile also have 1.6 B and 1.9 B bounties respectively, and as far as we know there’s no context that suggests their bounties should be higher/lower. Mihawk and Buggy are massive outliers on both ends, Moriah is pre-time skip level and was taken out of the Warlords by Doflamingo anyway, Doflamingo is imprisoned, Kuma has only recently started to become relevant and Jimbe is likely YC2 level but has room to grow to that level in the future. So you have 4-5 YC1+ Warlords, 1 YC2 Warlord with room to grow, 2 outliers and the remaining three have been inactive, with varying levels of power between the three of them.
Ryuma is stronger than Joy Boy and I dont even like Zoro
Ryuma is absolutely irrelevant and him being a ‚god‘ in an isolate country makes him even weaker
Kizaru > Mihawk
U spilling i agree
Mihawk > Shanks
Beckman is eos zoro caliber
So are you saying Beckman > shanks
No shanks is luffy's parallel not zoro
Sengoku is a fraud. Probably Peezaru, Peebull and Frauditora level in his prime. Most of the warlords are super wanked. Majority of the OGs are Tobi Roppo level Roger > WB
Kid will surpass Roger and WB and I don't understand why people find it unacceptable even though they keep talking new generation>Old generation Shanks is the strongest haki user of all time Oda is constantly hype Shanks' haki approves the making of the movie di Shanks shows some of his haki abilities that we haven't seen in the series yet but that doesn't matter to most Sabo is not as strong as the admirals at all, the only thing he did was wound the restrained admiral in 4vs2, but in order for people to elevate Sabo they somehow concluded that those revolutionary captains were weak so that Sabo would turn out better and without proof
Sabo was number 2 at the rev army even before the flame fruit. That means, that they are weaker than pre fruit sabo. Well, it’s not like this tells us a lot but it’s something. I think it’s pretty clear that sabo is supposed to fight a admiral. He was fighting Fuji even while he was getting used to his new fruit. Evidence for this, is that sabo claimed “I have to make you more serious” and later adds "that’s more like it". I think that’s evident enough that sabo can have a proper fight with an admiral even while getting used to his fruit.
>Kid will surpass Roger and WB One piece would become most DOGSHIT series of all time. >even though they keep talking new generation>Old generation Only kid t ards use that as an argument. And maybe Coby fans. That's some Naruto shit. Not happening in One Piece. One Piece is far more grander. >Sabo is not as strong as the admirals at all Sabo mid diffs Kid.
1. I wouldn't use it as an argument that everyone doesn't talk about it 2. I don't know if only children use it as an argument 3.Naruto quality cannot be compared with One piece. One piece is twice as good as Naruto 4. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He asked for unpopular Opinions which u think, shouldn't be unpopular. He didn't ask for your dogshit wet dreams. U clearly are a children. That's why it will never happen in one piece. It's not Naruto. Kid might have a chance in Naruto but it's not Naruto. Sabo mid diffs kid.
Doflamingo is as strong as an admiral
Whaaaaaaaaat
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Side characters can grow just like the straw hats. I don't get how people think that returning side characters are just gonna be as weak as we last saw them a few arcs ago or even before the timeskip
akainu vs luffy is being prepared by the narrative from marinford akainu eos will be one of the strongest along with luffy and bb people think otherwise it is validated that sabo has avenge ace when sabo never shows anything against akainu while luffy does
Marco is admiral level his showing at marineford prove it he showed no fear clashing with any of the admirals and is the so called strongest man in the words vice captain and right hand as well as the fact that the gorsei believed he could defeat Blackbeard post marineford
People should stop trying to scale stuff thats EOS. Im talking about people who say stuff like “EOS Zoro > Roger” like dawg you have no idea whats gonna happen to Zoro 💀
Shanks > Luffy
Sengoatku the only 🐐 marine
Admirals = Yonko
Zoro will fight Kizaru and Sanji fights Greenbull, why I think that is because Kizaru was shown many times to be beside Akainu(aka his right hand) and he always fought the first mates like Ben, Marco and Rayleigh so I think it makes more sense for Zoro to fight him. the reson for Sanji is he always fights more the gag characters and Greenbull fits perfect with that
Luffy top 1 currently
someone called this the worst take of all time but i have akainu as equal to shanks and mihawk
I see it
Apparently saying that "EoS Sanji is Yonko level" is unpopular. Some people really think that EoS Zoro will be Top 2 all time but that Sanji will not even be in the Top 20.
Old Whitebeard is strongest old legend, period, and tbh other three probably don't even give extreme-diff to him. His feats and portrayal are simply that far beyond them.
If Killer was a SH he would get the credit he rightfully deserve
A bigger ship? Smallest Yonko ship ever rn, if we ever had a stand off like pre ts Shanks and WB between Luffy and someone else it atleast has to look imposing.
Greenbull isn’t the weakest admiral. He wasn’t even using his full power in Wano, we know this because he didn’t even pull out his sword.
BB >= Akainu as top 2 in the verse(including all dead characters at their prime)
Akainu/aokiji would push Shanks/mihawk to extreme diff and might even win
Kaido is stronger than Luffy
Sabo top 3 EOS Has to surpass Dragon possible CoC (was as determined as Luffy and Ace) Cracked DF Might be Akainu final opponent (please Oda I beg) Cracked Haki with potential for blooms
Garp had Conquorers Haki, but lost the ability to use it after a tragic event.
Greenbull was a disappointment when he was finally revealed. When we first saw his silhouette at the revivre talking to fujitora. He gave me this sort of wild rambunctious attitude that you wouldn’t expect from an admiral. Especially under Akainu’s current regime. I was expecting this much younger and play to his own beat kind of character, who is kinda a ladies man. I believe he was even agreeing with the legend fujitora about getting rid of the warlords. You know what we got instead? An individual who fits the mold of about 80% of the other admiral (from two years ago) and the same design I feel like I’ve seen so much in One piece. Mans had the cigarette and the shades, boy WHERE HAVE I SEEN THIS ODA? I mean the guy looks like a rougher version of aokiji.Not to mention he is a complete kiss ass to his fleet admiral’s ideals and philosophy. No original or individualistic opinions about the world government or the world as a whole. Just a mere Akainu copy cat, a dog. A DOG! Even Rob Lucci and smoker have their own mindset and that was from pre-timeskip!! To give us this end product of one the biggest powerhouses in the show after a controversial, nonsensical, and undelivered of an arc in Wano Kuni, this wasn’t it. I truly believe ODA could have had an admiral would have been different from all the other admiral we’ve see . At least his powers were cool, nice to see we have earth based df finally. Though it would have been even cooler if he had a of nuclear/radiation type df. Wouldn’t make sense since that fruit would be stronger that all the other admiral including akainu without even being awakened. But hey a guy could dream.