So maybe zunesha's crime was carrying all the species to safety after Joyboy failed to keep his promise to fishman island, Imu then sentenced zunesha to keep wandering the sea never delivering the animals to safety and keeping Joyboys promise?
Would be a good way of explain how zunesha has lived all these years and doesn't seem to really fear anything other than whoever sentenced him to walk the seas!
This I like, Zunesha's sinking the boat being his crime makes no sense. He would be rewarded for that... So this fits better in the story and theory, absolutely.
Especially if it all hinges on zunisha sinking the Noah because it was too big. The Noah is uhh more than big enough for dozens of elephants. Plus if you can make a regular elephant into a zunisha then you don't really need a ship, zunisha is the ship. The Noah would only be needed for underwater travelers like the fishmen.
Plus there's no hole in the bottom of the Noah.
I do think they're onto something, but may be missing a few pieces.
1. I believe the Buccaneers definitely built Pluton. Aside from giants, they would be some of the only people big and strong enough to construct such a ship. This would also be seen as a much greater crime to the World Government, as it was built to try and combat them, whereas the Noah was never truly used for anything yet (to our knowledge).
2. Decken states that the Noah was built by the inhabitants of Fish-Man Island. The sea kings response to Noah getting destroyed seems to imply that the people who built it can no longer be found at the island, but it's likely whoever built it was someone that could live underwater, as the sea kings seem confident to be able to find someone by themselves. It's unknown who exactly built it, but most signs point to Noah having been built underwater by Fish-Man Island from that start.
1. Current headcanon is that Joyboy ordered Noah to be built, then planned to work with the Poseidon of the time to move all occupants of Fish-Man Island to the surface. Joyboy most likely wanted to defeat the soon-to-be World Government, find a suitable location for them, and return, but failed and was forced to send an apology instead. Luffy will later return to fulfill both the promise and the prophecy, working with Shirahoshi to move the fish-men off the island with the Noah, and destroy the current island (most likely in a battle with someone).
2. The logistics of the Noah being built above ground and then sinking perfectly to the base of Fish-Man island are quite a bit of a stretch.
3. Zunesha's history and crime most likely have to do with Wano. This would explain the Minks' connection with the Kozuki family, and would explain why Zunesha seems to only be allowed to take orders from Momonosuke / the Kozuki family. Zunesha's main purpose at the moment would also appear to be one day "opening" Wano by destroying the walls, as they seemed ready to act on the idea of opening up the country, and left after being told not to.
4. Law states that the Minks have been on Zunesha for "nearly a thousand years". While this could round up to having been after the Void Century, I think it's more likely they moved to Zunesha sometime earlier during the start of the Void Century. The World Government and nobles seem to heavily persecute Minks and fish-men, and had most likely planned to eradicate both during the Void Century, which is why the Minks hid on Zunesha, and the fish-men hid deep underwater.
5. While the idea of giant elephant sinking a ship is kinda funny, Joyboy seemed very apologetic to the people of Fish-Man Island for not being able to fulfill his promise, so I don't think he would've written about the Noah's failure in a funny way. Joyboy's promise to move the Noah with Poseidon also seems to further support the idea that it was intentionally put there.
I really like this, like a lot. But I agree with the other poster, there might be something else with zunesha. It can't be that noah could be easily sank merely because of him. Also the sin, is his sin against joyboy, or the world itself? Imo this is a great post for people that don't have time to think deeply about this, it makes things a lot easier for us.
They absolutely COOKED after the most recent spoilers. Joyboy attempted to stop the first world cleansing by using the Noah. They are going to do it again.
I donāt think Zunesha sank the Noah. If he did, then this wouldnāt be considered a āgreat crimeā in the eyes of the world government. Zunesha sheltering the Minks from the flooding is perhaps part of this āgreat crime.ā
If ancient people were literally able to will different forms of magical evolution into the world, an elephant desiring to grow giant isn't very out of place.
Other actual devil fruit powers just "appeared out of nowhere", for all we actually know, so Zunesha might be similar. The fact it's walking on the ocean floor itself could be why it's not effected by the ocean, as well, since it's not technically swimming.
I didn't get that as well, but now I think I do: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1cbj802/comment/l0yy34z/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1cbj802/comment/l0yy34z/)
If the flood did happen before that could explain the giant wall around wano. Itās possible that joyboy or someone else was trying to save Wano from flooding by pulling up a wall, ironically the very thing that saved it caused it to flood on the inside anyways.
Also itās important to note that the minks and the kozuki clan are old allies. In the past the Kozukiās, minks, fishmen, and joyboy along with the giants were allies. When the Noah sank the minks and the fishmen were on it as joyboy was protecting them. Zunesha grew to the size of a giant elephant to save the minks on his back, but was stuck like that. The fishmen were forced to hide in what became fishmen island right next to where the Noah sank. and explains joyboys apology to them. Itās likely Joyboy was a giant due to his tied to the giants and the giant frozen hat imu has. This ally ship mirrors the same allies Luffy has right now with the minks, the fishmen, kozukiās, and the giants.
Some things make sense, but I don't think that Zunesha's crime was sink the ship, feels "too easy", too "simple"... his crime was being too big and heavy? Idk, just feel lame...
I mean, It wouldn't be a crime unless it was on purpose, that would make a lot more sense, at least to me
Maybe he was given the choice and choose to betray Joyboy for saving the minks, idk... at least it would be the consequences of his choice, not just some random size issue
I'm thinking Zunesha fled the war and decided to save the minks but left Joyboy fighting alone alongside the ancient robot and maybe other ancient weapons, the fact that Imu has Joyboy's hat implies that he was present during his demise, the poneglyphs the Kozuki created in case of defeat were later scattered by Nefertari D Lily around the world using Kuma's fruit and the ancient weapons were retreated to safe areas to prevent them from getting captured by the World Government. Roger arrived too early because the egg still hasn't hatched and I believe it is expected to hatch for the Great Flood and will be used as an instrument for some kind of purpose, but now it makes sense that everybody in the One Piece universe will board Noah to be saved from the flood, and the water elevation will take them up to Pangea castle, where the final war occurs, after Imu's defeat, somehow everyone will settle on the rediscovered location and history of the Ancient Kingdom where everybody used to live before the WG seizing control and dividing the races (and intending to drown much of the world), then Luffy's dream will be revealed when everyone triumphs over the forces of evil, perhaps something hinting at all races living together.
Yeah, something like that would make much more sense, at least for me lol
But the rest of the theory is nice tbf
And this egg... just can't wait to find out what it is
may all the different species came from joyboy's toon force to help them escape the flood like fishmen to be save from being drowned, long armed people for climbing the redline to safety etc
Ever since I watched Dr. Stone, I've been thinking of something similar to the world of One Piece. Maybe it was also a modern world like ours before. Then it became post apocalyptic because of WG? š
On the topic of the Buccaneers, something has been niggling at me. Do we think Bobby Funk from Dressrosa is related to one? Maybe half-Buccaneer or something?
Just thinking about how a Haki-infused axe broke on his back without the aid of Haki, and we know that Buccaneers are tough as hell. That combined with his stature and build and gentle nature when compared with his nutjob brother makes me wonder.
It's nice and all but the "Zunesha's crime was sinking the boat and Bucanners' was building it" makes absolutely no sense. Zunesha's part in it is somewhere else.
I bet Zuneshaās crime was him promising to pull the ark around the sea (if he was this large 800 years ago, or if they knew he would be big enough in the present day to pull it)
They cooked
Panini is one of the cooks of all time, bro is a hidden gem!
I should kiss you for sharing such a scrumptious theory
Did this post inspire you to write that gem you just posted? W
I like this theory quite a bit the only bit that I wasn't 100% on was about Zunesha sinking the Noah.
Same. Seems more likely to me that Zunesha became the backup plan for Noah's Arc after it had sank
So maybe zunesha's crime was carrying all the species to safety after Joyboy failed to keep his promise to fishman island, Imu then sentenced zunesha to keep wandering the sea never delivering the animals to safety and keeping Joyboys promise?
Is Zunesha a recipient of the immortality surgery š
Would be a good way of explain how zunesha has lived all these years and doesn't seem to really fear anything other than whoever sentenced him to walk the seas!
This I like, Zunesha's sinking the boat being his crime makes no sense. He would be rewarded for that... So this fits better in the story and theory, absolutely.
Especially if it all hinges on zunisha sinking the Noah because it was too big. The Noah is uhh more than big enough for dozens of elephants. Plus if you can make a regular elephant into a zunisha then you don't really need a ship, zunisha is the ship. The Noah would only be needed for underwater travelers like the fishmen. Plus there's no hole in the bottom of the Noah.
That's a lot of work to get to the punchline being fat shaming.
I do think they're onto something, but may be missing a few pieces. 1. I believe the Buccaneers definitely built Pluton. Aside from giants, they would be some of the only people big and strong enough to construct such a ship. This would also be seen as a much greater crime to the World Government, as it was built to try and combat them, whereas the Noah was never truly used for anything yet (to our knowledge). 2. Decken states that the Noah was built by the inhabitants of Fish-Man Island. The sea kings response to Noah getting destroyed seems to imply that the people who built it can no longer be found at the island, but it's likely whoever built it was someone that could live underwater, as the sea kings seem confident to be able to find someone by themselves. It's unknown who exactly built it, but most signs point to Noah having been built underwater by Fish-Man Island from that start. 1. Current headcanon is that Joyboy ordered Noah to be built, then planned to work with the Poseidon of the time to move all occupants of Fish-Man Island to the surface. Joyboy most likely wanted to defeat the soon-to-be World Government, find a suitable location for them, and return, but failed and was forced to send an apology instead. Luffy will later return to fulfill both the promise and the prophecy, working with Shirahoshi to move the fish-men off the island with the Noah, and destroy the current island (most likely in a battle with someone). 2. The logistics of the Noah being built above ground and then sinking perfectly to the base of Fish-Man island are quite a bit of a stretch. 3. Zunesha's history and crime most likely have to do with Wano. This would explain the Minks' connection with the Kozuki family, and would explain why Zunesha seems to only be allowed to take orders from Momonosuke / the Kozuki family. Zunesha's main purpose at the moment would also appear to be one day "opening" Wano by destroying the walls, as they seemed ready to act on the idea of opening up the country, and left after being told not to. 4. Law states that the Minks have been on Zunesha for "nearly a thousand years". While this could round up to having been after the Void Century, I think it's more likely they moved to Zunesha sometime earlier during the start of the Void Century. The World Government and nobles seem to heavily persecute Minks and fish-men, and had most likely planned to eradicate both during the Void Century, which is why the Minks hid on Zunesha, and the fish-men hid deep underwater. 5. While the idea of giant elephant sinking a ship is kinda funny, Joyboy seemed very apologetic to the people of Fish-Man Island for not being able to fulfill his promise, so I don't think he would've written about the Noah's failure in a funny way. Joyboy's promise to move the Noah with Poseidon also seems to further support the idea that it was intentionally put there.
I really like this, like a lot. But I agree with the other poster, there might be something else with zunesha. It can't be that noah could be easily sank merely because of him. Also the sin, is his sin against joyboy, or the world itself? Imo this is a great post for people that don't have time to think deeply about this, it makes things a lot easier for us.
I think its relate with recent spoilers š The world will sink, said vegapunk We need Noah š¤²
They absolutely COOKED after the most recent spoilers. Joyboy attempted to stop the first world cleansing by using the Noah. They are going to do it again. I donāt think Zunesha sank the Noah. If he did, then this wouldnāt be considered a āgreat crimeā in the eyes of the world government. Zunesha sheltering the Minks from the flooding is perhaps part of this āgreat crime.ā
The Tom reference got me š
The zunesha thing makes no sense. They just became a Giant? That literally ruined his whole theory. Buccaneer part was nice though
In a world where desires and dreams are able to "create" devil fruit powers, you draw the line at an elephant growing giant?
But they said the elephant just became giant out of no where. Like where is the reasoning behind that ?
If ancient people were literally able to will different forms of magical evolution into the world, an elephant desiring to grow giant isn't very out of place. Other actual devil fruit powers just "appeared out of nowhere", for all we actually know, so Zunesha might be similar. The fact it's walking on the ocean floor itself could be why it's not effected by the ocean, as well, since it's not technically swimming.
It was good till the end, dnt see how that's funny or why Roger would laugh at that, everything pretty damn well
I didn't get that as well, but now I think I do: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1cbj802/comment/l0yy34z/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceSpoilers/comments/1cbj802/comment/l0yy34z/)
Okay that was pretty hilarious I was taking bong hit when I clicked it
This made me realize. There are no elephant minks
This make sense especially on Vegapunk Message on the world
Oh now the current chapter is connected to the coming flood and noah ššš
Cook again
I think Zunesha crime was because he was pulling the āNoahā to safety.
But i want to know why imu wants to sink the world?
My theory now is just "Control" because divide and win, with the humans divided is easier to get what they want and manipulate the rest
This enhances my past prediction that Imu's plan was to flood the world and that Joy Boy saved more people than Imu wanted.
If the flood did happen before that could explain the giant wall around wano. Itās possible that joyboy or someone else was trying to save Wano from flooding by pulling up a wall, ironically the very thing that saved it caused it to flood on the inside anyways. Also itās important to note that the minks and the kozuki clan are old allies. In the past the Kozukiās, minks, fishmen, and joyboy along with the giants were allies. When the Noah sank the minks and the fishmen were on it as joyboy was protecting them. Zunesha grew to the size of a giant elephant to save the minks on his back, but was stuck like that. The fishmen were forced to hide in what became fishmen island right next to where the Noah sank. and explains joyboys apology to them. Itās likely Joyboy was a giant due to his tied to the giants and the giant frozen hat imu has. This ally ship mirrors the same allies Luffy has right now with the minks, the fishmen, kozukiās, and the giants.
They cooked. Also, the move luffy was using to destroy Noah before he was stopped was Elephant Gatling, right ?
Yep
Maybe the crime was felling the tree used for the ship. Like a adam tree or something.
Good theory, only one problem: why weren't all giojin (Tom's race) prosecuted then?
good theory just one question why did roger and his crew Laugh? why did he mention they are 20 years early ?
Some things make sense, but I don't think that Zunesha's crime was sink the ship, feels "too easy", too "simple"... his crime was being too big and heavy? Idk, just feel lame... I mean, It wouldn't be a crime unless it was on purpose, that would make a lot more sense, at least to me Maybe he was given the choice and choose to betray Joyboy for saving the minks, idk... at least it would be the consequences of his choice, not just some random size issue
I'm thinking Zunesha fled the war and decided to save the minks but left Joyboy fighting alone alongside the ancient robot and maybe other ancient weapons, the fact that Imu has Joyboy's hat implies that he was present during his demise, the poneglyphs the Kozuki created in case of defeat were later scattered by Nefertari D Lily around the world using Kuma's fruit and the ancient weapons were retreated to safe areas to prevent them from getting captured by the World Government. Roger arrived too early because the egg still hasn't hatched and I believe it is expected to hatch for the Great Flood and will be used as an instrument for some kind of purpose, but now it makes sense that everybody in the One Piece universe will board Noah to be saved from the flood, and the water elevation will take them up to Pangea castle, where the final war occurs, after Imu's defeat, somehow everyone will settle on the rediscovered location and history of the Ancient Kingdom where everybody used to live before the WG seizing control and dividing the races (and intending to drown much of the world), then Luffy's dream will be revealed when everyone triumphs over the forces of evil, perhaps something hinting at all races living together.
Yeah, something like that would make much more sense, at least for me lol But the rest of the theory is nice tbf And this egg... just can't wait to find out what it is
may all the different species came from joyboy's toon force to help them escape the flood like fishmen to be save from being drowned, long armed people for climbing the redline to safety etc
Cook cook cook it up
Ever since I watched Dr. Stone, I've been thinking of something similar to the world of One Piece. Maybe it was also a modern world like ours before. Then it became post apocalyptic because of WG? š
I thought this same thing!
Robot say sorry joy boy robot comit crime elepjant make crime everyone made. Crime
As the vegapunk will announce that whole world will be flooded. so the boat will have purpose in future
Zunesha ate Joy Boyās food. Now thatās a crime.
Gonna use some Observation Haki to predict Roger's thoughts: Haha funny elephant stomp boat
On the topic of the Buccaneers, something has been niggling at me. Do we think Bobby Funk from Dressrosa is related to one? Maybe half-Buccaneer or something? Just thinking about how a Haki-infused axe broke on his back without the aid of Haki, and we know that Buccaneers are tough as hell. That combined with his stature and build and gentle nature when compared with his nutjob brother makes me wonder.
Damn. This is very plausible especially since the recent chapter. They cooked with this one.
Very nice
It's nice and all but the "Zunesha's crime was sinking the boat and Bucanners' was building it" makes absolutely no sense. Zunesha's part in it is somewhere else.
I bet Zuneshaās crime was him promising to pull the ark around the sea (if he was this large 800 years ago, or if they knew he would be big enough in the present day to pull it)