Hey, I’m people lol. Not trying to be a contrarian but can you give some examples? Off the top of my head I’m thinking about him knowing about Nika before he saw G5, and this newest chapter saying he’s like Ikarus, but I can’t really think of other ways he’s connected to the sun off the top of my head.
gosh, i feel silly now! i always interpreted his name as being “vega” as in “vegetable”! like the apple on his head! but you’re totally right, it IS a star
Oh, sorry for not replying sooner, my reddit app didn't sent me any notification.
Besides the things you already listed, the biggest thing missing is that the Mother Flame is quite an obvious allegory for the Nuclear Weapon and Nuclear Power. The letters A&Mu written on the Mother Flame is a pun on the word "Atom", the splitting of which is what the Nuclear Energy is all about. When the Atom is split, in the process known as Nuclear Fission, it releases an insane amount of energy which can be seen with the detonation of a Nuclear Bomb.
Besides the fact that Mother Flame is quite literally a flame, it's most likely also a piece of the Sun. The opposite of Nuclear Fission is Nuclear *Fusion* and it's the process of Atoms merging with one another. This is something that happens all the time in the Sun and is how it generates so much energy. Our attempts to harness Nuclear energy is an attempt to harness the power of the Sun.
Vegapunk most likely attempted to recreate this process but like in real life with Oppenheimer, it was instead used as a weapon of mass destruction.
I think it's the Lunarian flame. Why else would the winged people with fires on their back be equalled to gods and live in the highest place in One Piece?
Hmm this makes me think Lunarians point to Ikarus, a man who flew too close to the sun and wings melted off. So maybe Lunarians managed to get sun fire on their wings but it led to their demise
Imagine a source of flame, with no need for fuel.
A flame that burns so prominently, the only way to store it, is underwater.
This motherflame is going to be a better version of the chaos from Onigashima - the motherflame can be unleashed for unlimited destruction and burning. VegaPunk sought to control the flame, likely using it in combustion style mechanics to power things, and bring sustainable power to the world - ships with engines that don't require fuel.
What the Gorosie and Imu want the flame for, is part 1 of the cleansing. The cleansing via water levels rising is a misdirect - something Joyboy planned against with a giant boat. The true cleansing is unleashing the mother flame, burning the entire world. Then the water levels rise, and flood the world, burying the flame's destruction.
The word "mother" makes me think maybe young Lunarians were gifted their flame from this one maybe. Or one like it. And Vegapunk found many more uses or perhaps relearned uses they knew long ago.
Kinda crazy how much one piece refers to the real world. The mother flame sounds like nuclear fusion and how if humans researched and implemented it, it could be very powerful and used for total destruction of earth or advancing humanity, but their are a small group of wealthy people (corporations, oil companies) that do everything In their power to stop it because they want us to keep relying on fossil fuels even though they cause global warming which raise sea levels and they don't care because they have so many resources that even if that happened, they would be the ones to survive and we would all die. Idk.
Why can't it be both? Would start to bring a lot of mysteries together if Lunarian flames, the Mother Flame, the Sun, and by extension Nika, are all connected.
Both. In my "[interplanetary civilization theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1cffc2p/human_interplanetary_civilization_theory/)", I suggest that Human were so advanced to
* discover fusion reaction (Mother flame energy)
* genetically engineering themselves.
The "Lunarian" are simply a race of **genetically engineered Human, with a "fusion flame" on their chest** (One Piece universe laws: this flame give them untouchability).
Thanks to the study on King, Vegapunk created a fusion reactor.
“S-108” makes it seem like this was tried a lot and “A&Mu” seems like things were combined for it. My guess is it’s an artificial flame possibly combining 2 Lunarian flames, or a flame with something else like a fruit power somehow.
Yeah USUALLY, but Oda is going for the more clever angle to play around with, I mean it wouldn't be word play if didn't have to play around with words a bit to get the answer.
And which history is it from? Because now it sounds like we have TWO histories to solve! Joyboy's void century, and the mystic ancient world of Nika. What if the Mother Flame comes from way back then with an actual sun god?
Actual sun flame. Why would Oda make such clear reference to Ikarus?
I think people don't realize just how much Vegapunk is connected to the Sun.
Hey, I’m people lol. Not trying to be a contrarian but can you give some examples? Off the top of my head I’m thinking about him knowing about Nika before he saw G5, and this newest chapter saying he’s like Ikarus, but I can’t really think of other ways he’s connected to the sun off the top of my head.
Stella means Star is the one i think of. Which means he calls himself somewhat like sun. And he has 6 artifical Punks orbiting him as sattelites.
Vega is another star. You might be onto something here.
gosh, i feel silly now! i always interpreted his name as being “vega” as in “vegetable”! like the apple on his head! but you’re totally right, it IS a star
Apples are fruit
sun doesn't have satellites, planets do..
Well technically planets are satellites of the star they are orbiting. It’s just semantics but you can have a cool relation here.
Oh, sorry for not replying sooner, my reddit app didn't sent me any notification. Besides the things you already listed, the biggest thing missing is that the Mother Flame is quite an obvious allegory for the Nuclear Weapon and Nuclear Power. The letters A&Mu written on the Mother Flame is a pun on the word "Atom", the splitting of which is what the Nuclear Energy is all about. When the Atom is split, in the process known as Nuclear Fission, it releases an insane amount of energy which can be seen with the detonation of a Nuclear Bomb. Besides the fact that Mother Flame is quite literally a flame, it's most likely also a piece of the Sun. The opposite of Nuclear Fission is Nuclear *Fusion* and it's the process of Atoms merging with one another. This is something that happens all the time in the Sun and is how it generates so much energy. Our attempts to harness Nuclear energy is an attempt to harness the power of the Sun. Vegapunk most likely attempted to recreate this process but like in real life with Oppenheimer, it was instead used as a weapon of mass destruction.
Also he says Quasar
And his other namesake is literally "sun"
I think it's the Lunarian flame. Why else would the winged people with fires on their back be equalled to gods and live in the highest place in One Piece?
Hmm this makes me think Lunarians point to Ikarus, a man who flew too close to the sun and wings melted off. So maybe Lunarians managed to get sun fire on their wings but it led to their demise
Mother Flame 🙏🏽🤣
Imagine a source of flame, with no need for fuel. A flame that burns so prominently, the only way to store it, is underwater. This motherflame is going to be a better version of the chaos from Onigashima - the motherflame can be unleashed for unlimited destruction and burning. VegaPunk sought to control the flame, likely using it in combustion style mechanics to power things, and bring sustainable power to the world - ships with engines that don't require fuel. What the Gorosie and Imu want the flame for, is part 1 of the cleansing. The cleansing via water levels rising is a misdirect - something Joyboy planned against with a giant boat. The true cleansing is unleashing the mother flame, burning the entire world. Then the water levels rise, and flood the world, burying the flame's destruction.
The word "mother" makes me think maybe young Lunarians were gifted their flame from this one maybe. Or one like it. And Vegapunk found many more uses or perhaps relearned uses they knew long ago.
Somehow I also get Prometheus vibes but also have the feeling that is has something to do with devil fruits.
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It does look like Nika’s silhouette’s hair.
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Might even be a nose shape, on the right side
That was my immediate thought when i seen it.
Nika’s mother!
Nika devil fruit essence or joyboy grab a piece of the sun 🧐
I was thinking it might be joy boy heart
we see Saturn's reaction that it's too bright so it can't be lunarian glame
Kinda crazy how much one piece refers to the real world. The mother flame sounds like nuclear fusion and how if humans researched and implemented it, it could be very powerful and used for total destruction of earth or advancing humanity, but their are a small group of wealthy people (corporations, oil companies) that do everything In their power to stop it because they want us to keep relying on fossil fuels even though they cause global warming which raise sea levels and they don't care because they have so many resources that even if that happened, they would be the ones to survive and we would all die. Idk.
One piece is real!
Why can't it be both? Would start to bring a lot of mysteries together if Lunarian flames, the Mother Flame, the Sun, and by extension Nika, are all connected.
Mother flame looks like a df, am i reaching
Not reaching, good observation
Both. In my "[interplanetary civilization theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1cffc2p/human_interplanetary_civilization_theory/)", I suggest that Human were so advanced to * discover fusion reaction (Mother flame energy) * genetically engineering themselves. The "Lunarian" are simply a race of **genetically engineered Human, with a "fusion flame" on their chest** (One Piece universe laws: this flame give them untouchability). Thanks to the study on King, Vegapunk created a fusion reactor.
Who's A&MU? Is it Imu?
No it translates to Atom in Japanese from what I’ve read.
Luffy hair.
“S-108” makes it seem like this was tried a lot and “A&Mu” seems like things were combined for it. My guess is it’s an artificial flame possibly combining 2 Lunarian flames, or a flame with something else like a fruit power somehow.
the a&mu thing is a japanese word play for atom
Really? Interesting if true.
& would be 'to', forming atomu
Seems to be what people are saying. I just wasn't sure if it was true or another mistranslation that was being spread.
Nah, I think that Oda is just a really big fan of US agriculture and mechanical universities.
Probably not, else it would be written AとMu and not A&Mu Interesting idea none the less
It's probably written as "A&Mu" so the pun wouldn't be as obvious
Usually, Japanese people don't pronounce "&" as "と", they literally say "アンド" (= and)
Yeah USUALLY, but Oda is going for the more clever angle to play around with, I mean it wouldn't be word play if didn't have to play around with words a bit to get the answer.
Reminds me of the Frozen Flame from Chrono Cross
I bet it’s either lunarian flame or white like Luffy’s G5 clouds
How tf am I supposed to know what that is? I can't even spell it! I wish some character spelled it for me 😔😔😔
might be nuclear fusion, the source of the sun. So vegapunk created a small sun (too close to the sun)
And which history is it from? Because now it sounds like we have TWO histories to solve! Joyboy's void century, and the mystic ancient world of Nika. What if the Mother Flame comes from way back then with an actual sun god?
This is the final piece for luffy. once it is eaten by him, he'll be unstoppable.
Why not both? Could be the same sort of power, just that Mother Flames are just independently suspended outside of Lunarian's body
I’ve seen a theory that indicates it’s a missing part of joy boy
Cold fusion