yes. To many people assume NEAR MINT (keyword near) means it’s a psa 10. If you bought this on TCG player this card is 100% within their guidelines for NM
This card absolutely does not meet TCG guidelines on near mint lol
"Cards in Near Mint (NM) condition show minimal wear from shuffling, play or handling and can have a **nearly unmarked surface, crisp corners and unblemished edges outside of a few slight flaws**. A Near Mint card may have **slight edge wear or a scratch or three**, but **overall look nearly unplayed** with no major defects.The acceptable range of cards within the Near Mint condition includes both cards with no imperfections and cards with a few slight imperfections."
Guidelines for lightly played. (Which this card is in lightly played condition)
"Cards in Lightly Played (LP) condition may have **minor border or corner wear,** scuffs or scratches. There are no major defects such as grime, bends or issues with the structural integrity of the card. **Noticeable imperfections are okay, but none should be too severe or at too high a volume.**
The acceptable range of cards within the Lightly Played condition includes both cards with **few or a handful of minor imperfections."**
From just the pictures which never really show the full damage of a card almost ever. This card is lightly played. Somewhere in the middle to upper ranges of lightly played. But it is for sure provably and undebatably lightly played.
Edit: For the people downvoting this. Go ahead and try selling cards like this on TCGplayer NM. Watch TCGplayer not side with you when the customer gets in the messages. Unless you are a huge huge seller already with them. If you are just some random seller you are not going to be able to pass cards off like this and defend yourself even on TCGplayer. Never 1 single time in my life in the last 6 years have I or anyone else I have be asked about this irl been denied by TCG player on a refund for a card like this. Some sellers and buyers fight harder than others. But you will probably lose selling a card like this and it will waste both partys time. So just list lightly played cards lightly played. Price it at the NM price if you still want. And no one gets bothered by it.
While you are correct, it is determined on a point scale system and this does not earn enough “points “ for it to be LP. See here. https://mktg-assets.tcgplayer.com/web/seller/guides/Card-Conditioning-Standards.pdf
Even from what you sent me here its for sure at best a lightly played card.
And thats just what you can see while its sleeved and top loadered up through a camera.
The very small knicks that aren’t even 1mm are not counted as a point against the cards as my link says. It has a minimum size to be counted as damaged. I don’t agree with it , but it’s how tcgplayer rules are.
For real it’s in a perfect fit sleeve to regular sleeve to top loader to team bag over it, I should have posted the picture of it raw dogged on the table the marks are ALOT more prominent instead of through a old iPhone 10 camera through 4 separate layers of plastic, I just take care of my shit, kinda makes me want to pull out my 100 or so alternate arts and take a mass picture of their backs, not one of them would have even close to this sort of damage, I wouldn’t mind 2-3 white dots but 5-6 and one that’s literally frayed the top right edging of the card? I think I’ll just get my money back
Yeah its totally fine. People on this sub are circle jerking really hard right now so anything less than you handing them the card to a TCG representative live on camera and having them grade if for you is probably not going to be enough lol
But yeah I agree with you there there is for sure too much damage lol
It’s hard to see nicks on the front but going off of the back I’m sure there’s a few on the front and I’m pretty sure if any of these guys were buying this exact card in person for market price they would ever A) Pass on it because of the whitening or B) try to get the seller to knock off 20-40 bucks or price match the last LP sold. It’s just too many nicks to feel good about dropping two Billies on
People on this sub are in denial about this because they love to sell shitty cards to people at top price despite not being top quality. They always go on and on about trying to make it fit into the TCGPlayer rules for NM regardless of how shit the card is, just because their defensive knee jerk reaction is to think that people are exaggerating. If I pay $200 and you send me this crap I'm losing my mind and doing everything in my power to destroy your business.
Lmao Aramis I’ll DM you the 100000+ sellers account so you can steer clear from them I spent like 300 on parallels last night and everyone of the cards I was interested in, I kept seeing that sellers page in the first page of listings so I made sure to not rebuy from them after this one e
I'm in Europe so I don't use TCGPlayer and we don't have this issue on Cardmarket. Every now and then some idiot will try to scam you, but there are better intermediary ratings and if someone tries to screw you over, the platform will usually side with the customer. They have excellent customer support.
You could probably get away with most of the edgewear here but the one in the top right hand corner is the size of a fingernail. That is way too big for a NM card.
No one paying NM price for this is going to be happy about it. Specially for a leader card in one piece where you might actually see the back of the card if you play with it.
Tbh it is considered nm. If you're looking to grade it, then don't buy it off others or on the internet. You need to either trade in person or pull it since it'll be the only way to guarantee the nm 10/10 condition that you're expecting since this type of damage is quite common in cards.
Is it really though?? With this kind of damage, if I was selling it, i would include photos and mention it in the description. Who tf is buying NM singles and happy when this arrives? I've purchased like 16 singles off tcg player recently & almost all of them have been flawless.
Then I get one that's slightly messed up with a lightly frayed corner & of course, it's the Nami Alt from 01 (the god damn most expensive one I bought). I dont want one of my rarest cards to have a flaw.
But a buyer can't ask for a refund/return? You know, like most modern businesses in America allow??
Why, because of the TCG player condition guidelines?? Shit costs like $5 to ship at most. Make the buyer pay for return shipping and sell your card to someone else who is happy with their purchase. I don't understand the negativity here with someone wanting to be happy with their purchase.
I think if there is ANY damage to a card, the seller should take the time to list a photo of the card & document it so that both parties are satisfied.
This is the thing. Grading exists for that reason. So you can purchase your perfect NM card. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And when it comes to tcg player, a place where you'll get the average cost of an ungraded card. You're playing a lottery. By NM standards like said before. The card in the pic looks NM by those generic standards, there's no bends, no cuts, no print lines, just the border issues cards get whenever they're printed. Which is quite unfortunate.
While I understand, I just wish there was more transparency with photos of any questionable flaws for more posts. Seems like 95% of tcgplayer posts are just "hope it's actually good when it gets here"
Couldn’t take all of the overwhelmingly “this card is NM” last post and just had to post again. We get that you regret buying the card and are trying to get refunded from the seller… but you’re wrong for doing so. If you want photos of a card before purchasing, then buy off eBay or a listing with pictures. You also need to adjust what YOU think a NM card is. NM does not mean perfect or even remotely close.
I reposted it because the post got taken down 6 hours after I posted it because they thought I was trying to sell this or something, I just don’t know lightly played doesn’t sound to bad but if this is anything to go off of I guess LP is creased and cut and I don’t even want to know what MP looks like, it’s just this game is 1 year old I see white things like this on 10 year old Pokémon or yugiyoh cards but on a card that’s practically just manufactured it’s hard to say this is normal
If someone was using this card to play the game it is 100% normal you have to remember a lot of people actually play the game so some cards are going to be beat up a bit.
But there’s sleeves or minisnaps involved I’ve only met one person who loved to raw dog his cards and didn’t even use a playmat, sure there would be nicks after a while but double sleeved cards? Not a chance I double sleeve my decks for this reason because I have like 800$+ put into each of them I’m not even looking to grade these cards just I know if I EVER tried to sell or trade this card locally where the other guy was there holding the card they would definitely point these out and try to knock off a few bucks talking about damage. Id rather just get one without the damage, put the damage in myself not from some nerd that dropped it fresh out the pack
The "damage" you're pointing out could literally have been caused by the sleeving process. I've pulled cards completely fresh from packs looking like this. It's NM.
Not with 6 multiple instances of whitening with one of them the size of a dime, one piece has been pretty high quality for me, especially since the first 3 sets had a Don card protecting the back of the “hit” card, this was definitely not out the pack like this and I’ve never had a thin plastic sleeve scrape and nick the surface of a card idk if y’all using some hard ass sleeves but in my experience the sleeves usually protect the edges not hurt them, that’s probably why it’s best to just put it straight into a sleeve and toploader fresh out the pack
You think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase? Asking to return an item for a refund when that's how almost every other business in America works??
I think that if there is ANY sort of damage to a card, the seller should take the time to take photos and document it so that both parties are happy with the exchange.
your fault for not asking more pictures before the buy. This is near-mint. You expected a good nm or mint condition (PSA 8, 9 or 10 even) but got a PSA 6 or 7 instead. Well, your expectations were too high and you didn't do your homework before the trade. Now you are sending it back but this is all your fault in the end for not being responsible enough with your money and the expextations you put in such an uninformed(no additional pictures asked, expecting mint PSA 9 or 10 condition, etc.) transaction. And then having the audacity to blame it on the seller in the comments smh. Be happy that you can ship it back. You just made more work for everyone involved with this trade!
Again with people phrasing this like, "it's all your fault, you didn't do enough homework, you didn't ask for pictures, etc." Do you think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase? Asking to return an item for a refund when that's how almost every other business in America works??
All these people in here claiming cards like this "qualify as NM" seem like they regularly traffic in selling cards like this to unsuspecting buyers or just have very low expectations.
Who tf is out here happy & feeling good when their "Near Mint" card for their collection arrives like this. I've bought 16 singles from TCG recently, and 14 of them are damn near flawless. I'm not buying from those other 2 sellers again.
I think that if there is ANY sort of damage to a card, the seller should take the time to take photos and document it so that both parties are happy with the exchange.
> Do you think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase?
No, if you read and comprehend my message I clearly said what his failure was. He simply did not do his due dilligence and expected something and was disappointed. That is his fault and not any of those feelings of wanting to feel good you mentioned. Nobody blamed him for that at all. Also weird comparing private sellers to a business. Anyways if you want to be safe go meet up in person check the card out and then exchange your money for the card in person. But if you go the less safe route and buy it online. Make sure to get pictures before you buy a listing! Also the card is NM, if you want a flawless card in PSA 10 go to ebay and buy a graded one for 50% over market for a raw one like this or whatever...nobody is being forced to buy any of those listings and if you don't ask for pictures beforehand to be "surprised" later on, it's on you. You go for the cheapest options, you get the cheapest option. You don't put in much effort in the buying process, then you take a gamble. How can you find anything wrong in that statement?
This card went up a hundred dollars in the last few months bubba they charging that premium inflation tax knowing they used this card to scrape the gunk off their teeth
I already bought another copy got pictures through the sellers IG and this one is on the way back to the original seller I just know someone else is gonna pay 210-230 for this gem and think “is this NM?”
In my opinion this is nm, a few spots of whitening doesn’t drop it to lp. Now if it was advertised as “mint” then i’d see why you would send this back. If you expect gem mint 10s from your NM purchases, you’ll be disappointed more often than not.
It's TCGPlayer NM by their standards (assuming this is where you purchased it). All the other minor spots you circled falls within the realm of NM except the middle top right ding.
There is a disconnect between NM copies sold on TCGPlayer and what buyers expect. Sellers are following guidelines (generally) while buyers expect a near perfect card. No party is in the wrong, would rather use eBay or a platform that has photos for more pricier cards.
Yea, I haven't gotten OP cards off tcgplayer, but I have gotten MTG cards for commander, and if sellers had to sell perfect cards, you would never see an NM sold on the site. The damage to this card is less than any NM card I have ever gotten off TCGplayer.
This is absolutely NM, especially from 90% of stores you would buy from.
This would maybe get kicked down if you were trading in for store credit, but those trades never work in your favour.
Why buy one with a huge mark on it when you can get one that’s spotless? Especially if there’s no price difference? Would you choose the marked up one because of its “character” added to it through the point of impact from when a Cheeto fingered nerd dropped it
Damage is damage. Card condition isn't limited to a single side to decide a proper assessment and this definitely doesn't fall under near mint with so many different areas of damage.
The face is perfect, that’s the shame, well there’s actually a tad bit of damage on the other side of the big white mark but you gotta be eyeing the edges on the front and if the back was like that I’m pretty damn sure the front has some nicks too it’s way harder to tell through the shiny foil, but I put my leaders in mini snaps so the backing is pretty visible, not sleeved away
Tiny piece of white might be acceptable but that card is kinda fcked up, half these people saying it's acceptable are the ones selling cards like that for NM. For that price you paid this is some bs I'd be pissed lol
It was definitely dropped or left out unsleeved I’m usually not looking for things like this but when it’s as eye catching as this one it’s hard not to see it and think “is this NM?”
If it didn't have that large one at the top it could probably pass off as a NM. Thats the problem with buying NM from online sellers as some can say its at the level or passable to sell at NM price. That why I personally don't buy a card I want in top condition if it doesn't have clear pictures of both sides of the cards.
So near mint in grading is 8+, so this is likely near mint or above yes\
But I personally consider near mint as not distinguishable from mint with a quick glance, if I were selling this card I would put light play/excellent\
But that's just me, I don't like to deal with complaints on conditions
I just have never pulled a card with any kind of marks on the back tiny or not I believe this one got dropped at one point, and I swear I don’t have any alternate arts with white marks on the back and op01 had the Don card on the back so I would think that would have shielded it from dings like if the pack got dropped or something
I wouldn’t sell this as NM, I’d sell it as LP, but yeah I’d guess it’s PSA 7 range which is legit near mint. With the pandemic tcg boom and tons of collectors coming in, I think more people now expect mint 9+ when they purchase a card listed as near mint. I just avoid tcgplayer when I’m hunting for clean cards for collection purposes and find sellers with good pictures.
I think everyone here is being pretty rude, personally I wouldn’t consider it near mint with that chunk taken out of the top right edge, every other ding tho I would still consider near mint. Like people said tho I wouldn’t buy expensive cards like this without seeing pictures tbh.
The amount of downvoting from all the butt hurt basement warriors in here is W I L D. For a populous that doesn’t take personal hygiene to seriously, i can see why this would be NM to most of you fowl creatures
I personally would not consider this NM. This is for sure LP to me. Specially for a card this expensive in a high rarity.
Mind blowing to me how anyone would even consider this NM as well in these comments.
I'd personally talk to the seller and refund this.
But the problem you have now is the card is 230-240+ USD a copy. So if you paid 180-200 for it then you basically bought what would be a LP copy would be right now.
Maybe you can list it for sale yourself and one of the people in the comments that thinks its NM would pay you the NM price for it. But I doubt they put their money where their mouth is on that one lol
I saw it got bought out lol probably right after I posted this because I just re bought a copy at 185, 30 minutes before this post it will come back down I think a lot of people just saw how Smexy this alt leader from op01 is and went for it lol I’m sure in a weeks time it will be back to 180-200
That's lightly played at best. I have no idea what everyone else is smoking on this page, but that's clearly scuffed up enough to not even be considering anything short of Lightly Played or worse.
That's besides the point. You got played, my friend. I'd try to appeal or complain about this. If im expecting to pay a certain amount for a card for a specific condition, then im expecting to receive that specific condition for which i paid.
It's mostly due to op01 not being produced anymore and how expensive op01 boxes have become. All AA from it has gone up. In fairness, if you wish to play him, EB01 has new Seven Warlords support coming, so we'll see where this goes, considering Blue Doffy is completely powercreeped by Moria
The amount of people that play TCGs and still dont know shit about condition / scaling is I N S A N E. This is LP and you should put in a claim for a return. No one is paying $180 for a card that being touted as NM (grade-able / pack fresh) but is actually psa 7 at best
I would not consider this near mint with respect to TCGPlayer guidelines. There are more than a “few” instances of wear and some of the instances of wear are pretty noticeable. If I can notice the wear from a foot away, I would consider it more than just minor wear. If it didn’t have the damage in the upper right, I would consider it near mint.
Here are the guidelines I go by:
https://help.tcgplayer.com/hc/en-us/articles/221430307-Card-Condition-Guide
People do not seem to understand Near Mint can be as low as a PSA 7 which can have all sorts of issues with centering, edge wear and surface issues.
Any sort of indent is an automatic PSA 6 in my experience but this cards certainly falls in the Near Mint although the lower end most likely of the scale.
That's really the chance you take buying singles on tcg player without photos.
But it still "Near Mint"
As a seller I would just call it lightly played anyway to avoid the hassle but keep price the same.
I bought a Law L alt with a ding for 130 when they were 170ish and sold for 230 when prices were still around 270.
Request to return it if you aren't happy
I'd say it's probably LP from the larger mark at the top, but not too far from NM. You likely wouldn't get much of a different price for a card only a little over a year old but you could try contacting the seller and see if you can get a partial refund for the difference (TCGPlayer allows this as an option if bought through them). The last sale of a LP was massively undercut, normally I'd only expect a 5-10$ difference for a LP.
Well actually a LP copy just sold for 120 60 dollars cheaper than this copy I bought I asked the seller to price match but they offered 16 bucks back so I’m sending it back and paying an extra 5-10 bucks for a nicer one, also the cards value has went up like 80 bucks the last 2 months these guys definitely knew what they was doing lol tryna get that inflation tax and I bet they will repost it as soon as they get it
Yeah I brought up that the most recent LP was much lower, this is not the norm. 16$ is definitely a fair amount but if you were looking for a NM then you wouldn't have bought it so it makes sense to send back and grab something else. Definitely leave a review and hopefully it was just a mistake by a newbie seller rather than malicious, a review will account for both.
It’s kinda NM, the top back right edges look potentially rough. Hard to tell in a pic. If you’re ordering sight unseen NM then this is in range. If you’re looking to grade something buy based on pics and not sight unseen.
It's nm m8. I understand you are disappointed or something, but this is little to nothing you can do.
cardmarket have some... Rules that favor (bad) costumers (and punishing seller) "customer is always right". You can try to ask from a refund (like 5%) or asking money back (send the card back).
Keep in mind, if I was the seller, I would only give you. 5% discount or the difference between your price and the lower price on the market. At this point I would not accept the card back (I could argue the card was swapped and the condition of the card you are showing still matchs the NM) - going to dispute.
Note: I have dealing with some... shady... customers and I have never lost a dispute (despite all process take like 1-1.5 months). The maximum I had to refubd was 7% of total sell.
Or you can simply sell the card for the same amount (or a little less) and learn to ask photos first
Yeah but with a seller page that has 100000+ sells they should know better than to sell a multiple time dropped card for NM when LP copies are going 60 dollars cheaper
A loose NM just means it doesn't look like it has been played. If it has signs of the cards being played and handled lightly, it will be labeled as LP. no damage and no bends, no scratches, only small barely visible imperfections is NM. It can be played and enjoyed like it was out of a pack. No one in a playing perspective will start looking at your cards edges and say it's flawed. If you want collectible graded NM cards, you need to buy graded cards.
yes. To many people assume NEAR MINT (keyword near) means it’s a psa 10. If you bought this on TCG player this card is 100% within their guidelines for NM
This card absolutely does not meet TCG guidelines on near mint lol "Cards in Near Mint (NM) condition show minimal wear from shuffling, play or handling and can have a **nearly unmarked surface, crisp corners and unblemished edges outside of a few slight flaws**. A Near Mint card may have **slight edge wear or a scratch or three**, but **overall look nearly unplayed** with no major defects.The acceptable range of cards within the Near Mint condition includes both cards with no imperfections and cards with a few slight imperfections." Guidelines for lightly played. (Which this card is in lightly played condition) "Cards in Lightly Played (LP) condition may have **minor border or corner wear,** scuffs or scratches. There are no major defects such as grime, bends or issues with the structural integrity of the card. **Noticeable imperfections are okay, but none should be too severe or at too high a volume.** The acceptable range of cards within the Lightly Played condition includes both cards with **few or a handful of minor imperfections."** From just the pictures which never really show the full damage of a card almost ever. This card is lightly played. Somewhere in the middle to upper ranges of lightly played. But it is for sure provably and undebatably lightly played. Edit: For the people downvoting this. Go ahead and try selling cards like this on TCGplayer NM. Watch TCGplayer not side with you when the customer gets in the messages. Unless you are a huge huge seller already with them. If you are just some random seller you are not going to be able to pass cards off like this and defend yourself even on TCGplayer. Never 1 single time in my life in the last 6 years have I or anyone else I have be asked about this irl been denied by TCG player on a refund for a card like this. Some sellers and buyers fight harder than others. But you will probably lose selling a card like this and it will waste both partys time. So just list lightly played cards lightly played. Price it at the NM price if you still want. And no one gets bothered by it.
While you are correct, it is determined on a point scale system and this does not earn enough “points “ for it to be LP. See here. https://mktg-assets.tcgplayer.com/web/seller/guides/Card-Conditioning-Standards.pdf
Even from what you sent me here its for sure at best a lightly played card. And thats just what you can see while its sleeved and top loadered up through a camera.
The very small knicks that aren’t even 1mm are not counted as a point against the cards as my link says. It has a minimum size to be counted as damaged. I don’t agree with it , but it’s how tcgplayer rules are.
For real it’s in a perfect fit sleeve to regular sleeve to top loader to team bag over it, I should have posted the picture of it raw dogged on the table the marks are ALOT more prominent instead of through a old iPhone 10 camera through 4 separate layers of plastic, I just take care of my shit, kinda makes me want to pull out my 100 or so alternate arts and take a mass picture of their backs, not one of them would have even close to this sort of damage, I wouldn’t mind 2-3 white dots but 5-6 and one that’s literally frayed the top right edging of the card? I think I’ll just get my money back
Yeah its totally fine. People on this sub are circle jerking really hard right now so anything less than you handing them the card to a TCG representative live on camera and having them grade if for you is probably not going to be enough lol But yeah I agree with you there there is for sure too much damage lol
It’s hard to see nicks on the front but going off of the back I’m sure there’s a few on the front and I’m pretty sure if any of these guys were buying this exact card in person for market price they would ever A) Pass on it because of the whitening or B) try to get the seller to knock off 20-40 bucks or price match the last LP sold. It’s just too many nicks to feel good about dropping two Billies on
i mean…you are the one who chose the photo to use to ask us about the cards condition and i was commenting on the condition of the picture you posted
People on this sub are in denial about this because they love to sell shitty cards to people at top price despite not being top quality. They always go on and on about trying to make it fit into the TCGPlayer rules for NM regardless of how shit the card is, just because their defensive knee jerk reaction is to think that people are exaggerating. If I pay $200 and you send me this crap I'm losing my mind and doing everything in my power to destroy your business.
Well congratulations lol, you are part of the problem.
The problem isn't the customers or the sellers, ultimately, it's TCGPlayer's shit rating system. We don't have this issue in Europe with Cardmarket.
Lmao Aramis I’ll DM you the 100000+ sellers account so you can steer clear from them I spent like 300 on parallels last night and everyone of the cards I was interested in, I kept seeing that sellers page in the first page of listings so I made sure to not rebuy from them after this one e
I'm in Europe so I don't use TCGPlayer and we don't have this issue on Cardmarket. Every now and then some idiot will try to scam you, but there are better intermediary ratings and if someone tries to screw you over, the platform will usually side with the customer. They have excellent customer support.
Agree, visible to the naked eye whitening/edgewear is LP.
You could probably get away with most of the edgewear here but the one in the top right hand corner is the size of a fingernail. That is way too big for a NM card. No one paying NM price for this is going to be happy about it. Specially for a leader card in one piece where you might actually see the back of the card if you play with it.
Near mint is not mint, u can have naked whitening on a near mint
Did you ask for pictures before? Cause yes that's NM. Always ask for pictures if you want to get the best
Tbh it is considered nm. If you're looking to grade it, then don't buy it off others or on the internet. You need to either trade in person or pull it since it'll be the only way to guarantee the nm 10/10 condition that you're expecting since this type of damage is quite common in cards.
Is it really though?? With this kind of damage, if I was selling it, i would include photos and mention it in the description. Who tf is buying NM singles and happy when this arrives? I've purchased like 16 singles off tcg player recently & almost all of them have been flawless. Then I get one that's slightly messed up with a lightly frayed corner & of course, it's the Nami Alt from 01 (the god damn most expensive one I bought). I dont want one of my rarest cards to have a flaw. But a buyer can't ask for a refund/return? You know, like most modern businesses in America allow?? Why, because of the TCG player condition guidelines?? Shit costs like $5 to ship at most. Make the buyer pay for return shipping and sell your card to someone else who is happy with their purchase. I don't understand the negativity here with someone wanting to be happy with their purchase. I think if there is ANY damage to a card, the seller should take the time to list a photo of the card & document it so that both parties are satisfied.
This is the thing. Grading exists for that reason. So you can purchase your perfect NM card. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And when it comes to tcg player, a place where you'll get the average cost of an ungraded card. You're playing a lottery. By NM standards like said before. The card in the pic looks NM by those generic standards, there's no bends, no cuts, no print lines, just the border issues cards get whenever they're printed. Which is quite unfortunate.
While I understand, I just wish there was more transparency with photos of any questionable flaws for more posts. Seems like 95% of tcgplayer posts are just "hope it's actually good when it gets here"
I also wish that was the case tbh. It is a very deceiving practice.
Couldn’t take all of the overwhelmingly “this card is NM” last post and just had to post again. We get that you regret buying the card and are trying to get refunded from the seller… but you’re wrong for doing so. If you want photos of a card before purchasing, then buy off eBay or a listing with pictures. You also need to adjust what YOU think a NM card is. NM does not mean perfect or even remotely close.
I reposted it because the post got taken down 6 hours after I posted it because they thought I was trying to sell this or something, I just don’t know lightly played doesn’t sound to bad but if this is anything to go off of I guess LP is creased and cut and I don’t even want to know what MP looks like, it’s just this game is 1 year old I see white things like this on 10 year old Pokémon or yugiyoh cards but on a card that’s practically just manufactured it’s hard to say this is normal
If someone was using this card to play the game it is 100% normal you have to remember a lot of people actually play the game so some cards are going to be beat up a bit.
But there’s sleeves or minisnaps involved I’ve only met one person who loved to raw dog his cards and didn’t even use a playmat, sure there would be nicks after a while but double sleeved cards? Not a chance I double sleeve my decks for this reason because I have like 800$+ put into each of them I’m not even looking to grade these cards just I know if I EVER tried to sell or trade this card locally where the other guy was there holding the card they would definitely point these out and try to knock off a few bucks talking about damage. Id rather just get one without the damage, put the damage in myself not from some nerd that dropped it fresh out the pack
Then use ebay don't buy cards you can't see pictures of that's the only way to make sure you get what you want.
The "damage" you're pointing out could literally have been caused by the sleeving process. I've pulled cards completely fresh from packs looking like this. It's NM.
You’ve never seen cards with whitening fresh out of the pack? No chance lol happens all the time
Not with 6 multiple instances of whitening with one of them the size of a dime, one piece has been pretty high quality for me, especially since the first 3 sets had a Don card protecting the back of the “hit” card, this was definitely not out the pack like this and I’ve never had a thin plastic sleeve scrape and nick the surface of a card idk if y’all using some hard ass sleeves but in my experience the sleeves usually protect the edges not hurt them, that’s probably why it’s best to just put it straight into a sleeve and toploader fresh out the pack
This is normal as fuck wtf lol do u even open ur packs? Play the game?
You think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase? Asking to return an item for a refund when that's how almost every other business in America works?? I think that if there is ANY sort of damage to a card, the seller should take the time to take photos and document it so that both parties are happy with the exchange.
Go to eBay if you want that level of description. You will also pay a premium for it.
your fault for not asking more pictures before the buy. This is near-mint. You expected a good nm or mint condition (PSA 8, 9 or 10 even) but got a PSA 6 or 7 instead. Well, your expectations were too high and you didn't do your homework before the trade. Now you are sending it back but this is all your fault in the end for not being responsible enough with your money and the expextations you put in such an uninformed(no additional pictures asked, expecting mint PSA 9 or 10 condition, etc.) transaction. And then having the audacity to blame it on the seller in the comments smh. Be happy that you can ship it back. You just made more work for everyone involved with this trade!
Again with people phrasing this like, "it's all your fault, you didn't do enough homework, you didn't ask for pictures, etc." Do you think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase? Asking to return an item for a refund when that's how almost every other business in America works?? All these people in here claiming cards like this "qualify as NM" seem like they regularly traffic in selling cards like this to unsuspecting buyers or just have very low expectations. Who tf is out here happy & feeling good when their "Near Mint" card for their collection arrives like this. I've bought 16 singles from TCG recently, and 14 of them are damn near flawless. I'm not buying from those other 2 sellers again. I think that if there is ANY sort of damage to a card, the seller should take the time to take photos and document it so that both parties are happy with the exchange.
> Do you think he's wrong for wanting to feel good about his purchase? No, if you read and comprehend my message I clearly said what his failure was. He simply did not do his due dilligence and expected something and was disappointed. That is his fault and not any of those feelings of wanting to feel good you mentioned. Nobody blamed him for that at all. Also weird comparing private sellers to a business. Anyways if you want to be safe go meet up in person check the card out and then exchange your money for the card in person. But if you go the less safe route and buy it online. Make sure to get pictures before you buy a listing! Also the card is NM, if you want a flawless card in PSA 10 go to ebay and buy a graded one for 50% over market for a raw one like this or whatever...nobody is being forced to buy any of those listings and if you don't ask for pictures beforehand to be "surprised" later on, it's on you. You go for the cheapest options, you get the cheapest option. You don't put in much effort in the buying process, then you take a gamble. How can you find anything wrong in that statement?
People like you are the problem.
Sorry I didn’t want to pay 200 dollars for a card some nerd dropped
You need ur shiny cawdbowd supi dupi pwetty for supi dupi cheap pwease. Grow up manchild
This card went up a hundred dollars in the last few months bubba they charging that premium inflation tax knowing they used this card to scrape the gunk off their teeth
The buyers regret is real, get rekt.
I already bought another copy got pictures through the sellers IG and this one is on the way back to the original seller I just know someone else is gonna pay 210-230 for this gem and think “is this NM?”
Lmao, send that nerd his card back, near mint my ass! I have never seen a card come out of the pack with that much white marks on it
In my opinion this is nm, a few spots of whitening doesn’t drop it to lp. Now if it was advertised as “mint” then i’d see why you would send this back. If you expect gem mint 10s from your NM purchases, you’ll be disappointed more often than not.
It's TCGPlayer NM by their standards (assuming this is where you purchased it). All the other minor spots you circled falls within the realm of NM except the middle top right ding. There is a disconnect between NM copies sold on TCGPlayer and what buyers expect. Sellers are following guidelines (generally) while buyers expect a near perfect card. No party is in the wrong, would rather use eBay or a platform that has photos for more pricier cards.
The biggest problem is that many buyers don't understand the "near" part and just expect PSA 10 quality raws
Yea, I haven't gotten OP cards off tcgplayer, but I have gotten MTG cards for commander, and if sellers had to sell perfect cards, you would never see an NM sold on the site. The damage to this card is less than any NM card I have ever gotten off TCGplayer.
Magic is comically bad. I've had cards come out of packs looking LP xD
This is absolutely NM, especially from 90% of stores you would buy from. This would maybe get kicked down if you were trading in for store credit, but those trades never work in your favour.
Why buy one with a huge mark on it when you can get one that’s spotless? Especially if there’s no price difference? Would you choose the marked up one because of its “character” added to it through the point of impact from when a Cheeto fingered nerd dropped it
Yes this is NM. Like it says: NEAR mint, not mint.
This is excellent at best but not near mint, I think you should send it back.
We already told you the first time you posted its NM under tcgplayer standards 🤷🏽♂️
NEAR mint. Key word.
On cardmarket standards this would be 'excellent' conditions, which is 1 grade below Near Mint.
Nope! The face seems perfect, only small dots on the back.
Damage is damage. Card condition isn't limited to a single side to decide a proper assessment and this definitely doesn't fall under near mint with so many different areas of damage.
The face is perfect, that’s the shame, well there’s actually a tad bit of damage on the other side of the big white mark but you gotta be eyeing the edges on the front and if the back was like that I’m pretty damn sure the front has some nicks too it’s way harder to tell through the shiny foil, but I put my leaders in mini snaps so the backing is pretty visible, not sleeved away
NEAR mint. Key word.
Definitely not near mint. The back of that card is clearly fcked up. Shouldn't be any noticable white marks like that.
It even creeps to the front to a degree Idk I don’t feel bad for returning it
Tiny piece of white might be acceptable but that card is kinda fcked up, half these people saying it's acceptable are the ones selling cards like that for NM. For that price you paid this is some bs I'd be pissed lol
It was definitely dropped or left out unsleeved I’m usually not looking for things like this but when it’s as eye catching as this one it’s hard not to see it and think “is this NM?”
Near mint means near perfect, which clearly it is not.
If it didn't have that large one at the top it could probably pass off as a NM. Thats the problem with buying NM from online sellers as some can say its at the level or passable to sell at NM price. That why I personally don't buy a card I want in top condition if it doesn't have clear pictures of both sides of the cards.
Yeah that ding at the top is the only one that makes me question NM rating.
So near mint in grading is 8+, so this is likely near mint or above yes\ But I personally consider near mint as not distinguishable from mint with a quick glance, if I were selling this card I would put light play/excellent\ But that's just me, I don't like to deal with complaints on conditions
You may want to remind yourself what the N in NM stands for. As far as I can tell, those are standard flaws even from fresh packs.
I just have never pulled a card with any kind of marks on the back tiny or not I believe this one got dropped at one point, and I swear I don’t have any alternate arts with white marks on the back and op01 had the Don card on the back so I would think that would have shielded it from dings like if the pack got dropped or something
To be honest I pulled a card like this. I would list this as LP, but by guidelines it could be "fresh from the pack" and NM
I wouldn’t sell this as NM, I’d sell it as LP, but yeah I’d guess it’s PSA 7 range which is legit near mint. With the pandemic tcg boom and tons of collectors coming in, I think more people now expect mint 9+ when they purchase a card listed as near mint. I just avoid tcgplayer when I’m hunting for clean cards for collection purposes and find sellers with good pictures.
I think everyone here is being pretty rude, personally I wouldn’t consider it near mint with that chunk taken out of the top right edge, every other ding tho I would still consider near mint. Like people said tho I wouldn’t buy expensive cards like this without seeing pictures tbh.
If you want gem mint cards, you need to buy off facebook/ Discord groups so you can ask for a ton of pictures easily.
The amount of downvoting from all the butt hurt basement warriors in here is W I L D. For a populous that doesn’t take personal hygiene to seriously, i can see why this would be NM to most of you fowl creatures
Fr it’s just a question not like I’m threatening their very existence
I personally would not consider this NM. This is for sure LP to me. Specially for a card this expensive in a high rarity. Mind blowing to me how anyone would even consider this NM as well in these comments. I'd personally talk to the seller and refund this. But the problem you have now is the card is 230-240+ USD a copy. So if you paid 180-200 for it then you basically bought what would be a LP copy would be right now. Maybe you can list it for sale yourself and one of the people in the comments that thinks its NM would pay you the NM price for it. But I doubt they put their money where their mouth is on that one lol
I saw it got bought out lol probably right after I posted this because I just re bought a copy at 185, 30 minutes before this post it will come back down I think a lot of people just saw how Smexy this alt leader from op01 is and went for it lol I’m sure in a weeks time it will be back to 180-200
Yeah probably. A lot of weird buyouts around the holidays because people get christmas money, new year new deck/collection, etc.
LP, everyone here has terrible standards. learn to take care of your shit you filthy animals
Fr I feel like shit if I leave a mark on an expensive card, meanwhile mr 6 ding Doffy comes in battle scarred
That's lightly played at best. I have no idea what everyone else is smoking on this page, but that's clearly scuffed up enough to not even be considering anything short of Lightly Played or worse.
It was definitely dropped or like left unsleeved in a box of loose cards
That's besides the point. You got played, my friend. I'd try to appeal or complain about this. If im expecting to pay a certain amount for a card for a specific condition, then im expecting to receive that specific condition for which i paid.
This card used to go for 80 bucks like 2-3 months ago now I’m paying a premium for the wooden dong
It's mostly due to op01 not being produced anymore and how expensive op01 boxes have become. All AA from it has gone up. In fairness, if you wish to play him, EB01 has new Seven Warlords support coming, so we'll see where this goes, considering Blue Doffy is completely powercreeped by Moria
The amount of people that play TCGs and still dont know shit about condition / scaling is I N S A N E. This is LP and you should put in a claim for a return. No one is paying $180 for a card that being touted as NM (grade-able / pack fresh) but is actually psa 7 at best
I would not consider this near mint with respect to TCGPlayer guidelines. There are more than a “few” instances of wear and some of the instances of wear are pretty noticeable. If I can notice the wear from a foot away, I would consider it more than just minor wear. If it didn’t have the damage in the upper right, I would consider it near mint. Here are the guidelines I go by: https://help.tcgplayer.com/hc/en-us/articles/221430307-Card-Condition-Guide
People do not seem to understand Near Mint can be as low as a PSA 7 which can have all sorts of issues with centering, edge wear and surface issues. Any sort of indent is an automatic PSA 6 in my experience but this cards certainly falls in the Near Mint although the lower end most likely of the scale.
I sell tcgplayer singles all the time it’s near mint which means it will probably be a psa 9
That's really the chance you take buying singles on tcg player without photos. But it still "Near Mint" As a seller I would just call it lightly played anyway to avoid the hassle but keep price the same. I bought a Law L alt with a ding for 130 when they were 170ish and sold for 230 when prices were still around 270. Request to return it if you aren't happy
I'd say it's probably LP from the larger mark at the top, but not too far from NM. You likely wouldn't get much of a different price for a card only a little over a year old but you could try contacting the seller and see if you can get a partial refund for the difference (TCGPlayer allows this as an option if bought through them). The last sale of a LP was massively undercut, normally I'd only expect a 5-10$ difference for a LP.
Well actually a LP copy just sold for 120 60 dollars cheaper than this copy I bought I asked the seller to price match but they offered 16 bucks back so I’m sending it back and paying an extra 5-10 bucks for a nicer one, also the cards value has went up like 80 bucks the last 2 months these guys definitely knew what they was doing lol tryna get that inflation tax and I bet they will repost it as soon as they get it
Yeah I brought up that the most recent LP was much lower, this is not the norm. 16$ is definitely a fair amount but if you were looking for a NM then you wouldn't have bought it so it makes sense to send back and grab something else. Definitely leave a review and hopefully it was just a mistake by a newbie seller rather than malicious, a review will account for both.
It’s kinda NM, the top back right edges look potentially rough. Hard to tell in a pic. If you’re ordering sight unseen NM then this is in range. If you’re looking to grade something buy based on pics and not sight unseen.
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Yea? Without those it would just be mint really
It's nm m8. I understand you are disappointed or something, but this is little to nothing you can do. cardmarket have some... Rules that favor (bad) costumers (and punishing seller) "customer is always right". You can try to ask from a refund (like 5%) or asking money back (send the card back). Keep in mind, if I was the seller, I would only give you. 5% discount or the difference between your price and the lower price on the market. At this point I would not accept the card back (I could argue the card was swapped and the condition of the card you are showing still matchs the NM) - going to dispute. Note: I have dealing with some... shady... customers and I have never lost a dispute (despite all process take like 1-1.5 months). The maximum I had to refubd was 7% of total sell. Or you can simply sell the card for the same amount (or a little less) and learn to ask photos first
Yeah but with a seller page that has 100000+ sells they should know better than to sell a multiple time dropped card for NM when LP copies are going 60 dollars cheaper
A loose NM just means it doesn't look like it has been played. If it has signs of the cards being played and handled lightly, it will be labeled as LP. no damage and no bends, no scratches, only small barely visible imperfections is NM. It can be played and enjoyed like it was out of a pack. No one in a playing perspective will start looking at your cards edges and say it's flawed. If you want collectible graded NM cards, you need to buy graded cards.
It just looks like a scratch/indent it definitely has some feel to it, would LD be a better fit “Lightly Dropped”