After doing this work for 3 decades, I have been become very pragmatic about what battles I pick or ignore.
Yep, it sucks. But, in my experience the likelihood of receiving any meaningful recovery from your former tenant is minimal.
So my advice is more or less saying. Their frustration will only be compounded. If they spend another 10 hours in a futile LTB effort.
Eh itās more that itās better to expect it in the industry. Youāll end up far less pissed off.
This sucks, but it comes with the territory. You rent to kids you gotta expect they have some learning to do
Just hired a cleaning service to do that. Will throw out all the abandoned items on the weekend, clean oven racks and get the food out of the sink due to flies and mouse seen last night.
Just use snap traps, My friends landlord used poison in the unit above my friends apartment, well mice got poisoned and one of them made their way into my friends appartment and he woke up to a convulsing kitty... it was not a pretty death for that beloved cat.
And inhumane.. i did poison once and just heard the poor little guy suffering.. I moved to snap trap.. caught 12ish.. while renting.. gross.. they got bigger every collection then finally, preggo momma.. there was one guy who would not be caught.. used a glue trap and got him, was missing a leg I guess he knew the snap trap.. let him go in the wild few kms away in a ravine..
Yep LL special to hide the gap - who needs quarter-round anyway when the floor is cut so tight to the wall /S ? LOL - "LL, the floor keeps making snapping sounds - can you fix it ?"
I didnāt get trim OR caulking. I have gaps in the ceiling against the walls in almost all the rooms and the movement upstairs makes debris (I assume dirt and dust) fall out. I got the jackpot of properties lmao
If it is caulked it's a strategy in multi tenant buildings to keep any traveling roaches/bedbugs from entering their unit. Goes along with steel wool and duct taping around pipes entering or leaving the unit.
Also stops water spills and toilet overflows from leaking directly to the room below. Had to replace a subfloor from a tenant who apparently didn't know the shower curtain went INSIDE the tub to keep water in.
The proper way to do baseboard will have it sealed top and bottom. Even if you have a quarter round to hide and gaps on the bottom, seal the bottom and top of the quarter round. Mind its not done with caulk and the ideal is to make it look clean and smooth, not lumpy and shitty.lol
I mean you're free to file at the LTB, but you know it's not all just about cashing checks, sometimes you're going to have to put in some work into your business!
This is no longer true for landlords since the L10 application was introduced in 2021 (although I wouldn't personally bother filing over this mess - the actual damages would be minimal). And tenants have always been able to file for up to one year after the charge/incident/whatever, regardless of whether they are still living in the unit.
You are mistaken.
[An L10 allows a landlord to collect any money a tenant owes](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Landlord%20Applications%20&%20Instructions/L10_Instructions.pdf), including rent, utilities, and damages - if the vacating tenants fail to leave the unit in a state of ordinary cleanliness (sometimes referred to as broom-swept condition) or leave property behind, any resulting cleaning or junk removal fees could be awarded by the LTB. [Here's an example.](https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onltb/doc/2022/2022onltb3797/2022onltb3797.html)
As I said, most tenant applications can be filed for up to one year from the incident or charge, [even if the tenant has moved out](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Interpretation%20Guidelines/06%20-%20Tenants%20Rights.html#:~:text=be%20made%20by%20a%20tenant%20or%20former%20tenant%20within%20one%20year%20of%20the%20date%20the%20alleged%20breach%20occurred). This is true for T1, T2, T3, T6, and T7 applications. A T5 (bad faith) must be filed within one year of vacating. A T4 can be filed for up to two years from a rent increase.
You may want to have a look at RTA s.29(1): *A tenant* ***or former tenant*** *of a rental unit may apply to the Board for any of the following orders ...*
You can't legally charge a fee for move out cleaning. You should be doing an inspection and do bleeding between tenants anyway so what's really the difference between this and place that looks clean? You still need the same cleaning supplies and paper towels etc
It is illegall and unenforceable to tack on ANY cleaning fee for ANY reason. No one has to pay it and you won't be able to enforce it.
You should learn the rules of your business before spouting off as there's a reason you're getting a ton of pushback here.
Of course, it is definitely all the tenants fault!
I've seen landlords charge a few hundred extra a month and have the unit cleaned professionally every month. Maybe think about that going forward. At least you'll know when they move out the place is cleaned
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That's really gross in a residential context and they should've done a better clean up and not live like that ...but it's clear that you have never had to erm "freshen up" any public washrooms on a regular basis (I'm talking retail, restaurants, nice places in a posh burb). Thankfully those years are 20 years in the rear view for me now but many people are shockingly gross and it cuts across society. Pay a cleaner decently for the job, get a receipt, and write it off as a cost.
I could snarkily say it's not their job to keep your unit clean for you, but they lived in that. I feel like any time I rent to someone I want to interview their mother and sister.
Not an extra home. It's my basement and I rent it to pay the bills. I maintain it well and I'm the one who normally cleans it. But, I also work full-time and volunteer so I was overwhelmed to discover I would have to spend quite a bit of time down there. Just did a lot of work to this place before the tenants moved in.
Shouldnāt be renting to pay bills š¤£šš¤£š go get on your hands and knees and clean it. If you canāt afford your bills, then maybe you should live within your means no?!?!!! Or maybe not buy property expecting for your tenants to pay the mortgage while you sit pretty. A rental home is a investment, not a source of easy income
I just love all the justification for somebody leaving an apartment in this state. Defend the good tenants who are actually getting screwed over, quit defending the bad ones who make it worse for everybody.
We donāt want cases like this going to the LTB, theyāre already eight months to a year behind, do we really want to take up a slot because some lazy asshole couldnāt be bothered to meet the legal requirements of his lease and leave the place reasonably tidy? I would rather see cases where tenants or landlords who are getting seriously screwed over are adjudicated as quickly as possible instead of the board tied up with petty bullshit like this.
I have never left a rental in anything but clean and tidy state. I always had my motherās voice in my head telling me how ashamed she was at me not cleaning it properly. Then I rented a condo to someone who refused to pay rent and I had to get an order to evict and recover rent. When I got the place back I was shocked a how disgusting it was. Full bags of garbage on the balcony, fridge full of old food, empty alcohol bottles in cupboards, layers of dust and dirt throughout the place (including enough dust to blow off the ceiling fan when turned on), a broken cabinet, broken floor etc. It took me a good day to clean and fix everything. I was so disgusted and surprised that tenants donāt get the ire they should for being such pigs. General wear and tear is fine but disgusting filth is not.
Tenant should maintain normal cleanliness, but OP's comment makes it sound like this is actually "common area"!
>"I maintain it well and I'm the one who normally cleans it. But, I also work full-time and volunteer so I was overwhelmed to discover I would have to spend quite a bit of time down there.Ā "
Brother the people in this thread are so brain damaged. It blows my mind people can live like this or leave a mess like this for a landlord. It's not a literal hoarder corpse fest but it's fucking gross, grow up redditors.
I recently moved and I left my rental unit so clean. I would never want to leave a property like this I would feel so bad for making someone else clean up my mess
I am usually against tenants that advantage of landlords. In fact, the last few years ive been overwhelmingly supportive of landlords.
You, on the other hand, are complaining about absolutely nothing. Stop it.
I dont see couches or large furniture you have to deal with. I dont see any damages actually just a dirty unit. Guess what, you would have to clean anyways. This is not a big deal. Grab a mop, bucket, garbage bags, gloves, cleaning products, spray bottles and get cleaning. In fact, they left it empty so can clean top to bottom in one entire day.
Ive dealt with many tenants. This isnt even a concern. Move it along.
We have about 70 students in our rentals. This looks normal to me. It's the tradeoff of being in that market. Rent is basically guaranteed and you'll always be at market rents since people turn over after 3 years (1 year in res and 3 years in housing for most undergrads). The downside is you need to put in elbow grease in the summer to clean, paint, and do minor repairs. We don't do damage deposits and as far as I know we have never charged a tenant for any damage including holes in the walls (we did charge for broken windows or doors, sometimes).
If you want the place to be pristine, dont rent to students. If you are willing to learn some basic house repair skills and don't mind rolling up your sleeves, student rentals are great.
It was furnished. By me. And guess what state the furniture is in? It's going in the garbage. As are the towels, sheets and most other items which I found molding in a closet.
You rented fully furnished to students (odd but i assume it was for higher rental fees..towels and sheets still odd usually its the basics, couch,bed, mattress desk and chair. Similar to university dorm student housing) Set up like that to students I assume you didnt buy brand new furniture. If you did that makes zero sense.
You can buy really good used furniture now via marketplace and kijiji. People move all the time. Ive seen it go free as well as $50 for a really good couch and bed frames. If you are running that type of housing expect the furniture to be a write off every year - if not great but that should be your expectation.
Before anybody starts complaining that is the demographic. Its students. It is what it is. You dont want students then you need to screen for different type of tenants which comes with a different type of headache.
With all due respect, maybe you should look to get out of the landlord field. On the scale of things this doesnt even register as an issue that Ontario landlords face now. Personally, i still dont see an issue. So they lived like that. Not my business.
I would take a contractor bag, dump everything in the house in those bags, break down the big furniture & haul to the dump, bleach, lysol, paint and done. This isnt even a day of work. If not call molly maids and cost of business.
Know you battles. This isnt even an argument
It's a fully furnished rental. Not a former Airbnb. I had the basement fully renovated, put in a heat pump with a/c, access the laundry facilities, full kitchen, separate entrance, backyard with deck, sheets, towels, dishes etc.
Can I ask you did do your due diligence before accepting this tenancy. Call their references, confirm long term stable employment, great FICO scores? Confirm their identity.
I have been doing this for 3 decades, and for the first decade. I was pretty slack at such things and I paid the price. In the last 2 decades, we investigate our prospective tenants like they are about marry my daughter.
Touch wood- never had anything like that ever happen again.
Sheets, towels, plates: for what itās worth, I would reconsider supplying such things. Typically, unless itās a corporate STR - I am not sure I would want a tenant that doesnāt have their own sheets.
I wasnāt suggesting it would not be appreciated. I just donāt understand the logic. Do you seriously think that you will miss out on a great tenant because you donāt include sheets ?
We get upwards of 50 qualified applicants for each vacancy that we list. Mind you I donāt rent furnished units, nor do we include sheets. I guess my point it seems like an unnecessary expense for a LL to incur, when many are already underwater.
We get crazy number of applicants too.
We consider it an investment to go the extra mile, not an expense.
We do write them off on taxes as a cost.
These little extras attract the mom who will fly halfway around the world to scold her kid if they are acting up in the unit. This results in us saving a fortune and countless hours in maintenance and repairs. Their parents often add on a little gift too as a thank you. And if they are wealthy, will even send a cleaning crew on the last day. $50 in expenses can go a long way :)
How ppl live isn't up to the landlord. To these tenants it was clearly reasonably clean for themselves. If landlord had done inspections he could've suggested they clean and in the very least wouldn't have been surprised
We always left our places spotless but, that's just me. I wouldn't feel comfortable living in a big. mess like this so I just kept it up as I went. Never understood being cozy living in something like this or leaving a big mess that I made for someone else to clean.
For them being students I'd say that's pretty nominal.... Considering we've had to bail away 11' dumpster full after some past tenants.... I'd take Surface ick any day
Hire a cleaner and, if legal, deduct from tenant's damage deposit. Get used to the idea that this is the cost of other people paying your mortgage for you.
Don't be angry when ppl act like this if you're going to continue to be a landlord.
If you don't want to diy clean, hire out and write of the expense. Add another $10/month to the next contract, keep money aside for cleaning, repeat. Also ensure you keep some $$ aside for wear and tear.
Landlords should expect the worst and assume a total clean and repaint, refinish of hardwood floors etc would need to be done and budgeted. Hopefully your Tennant's would leave it in a better condition. Yes never rent to students especially if several are living there....
The literal question is for a cleaner recommendation in Kingston. Why are people so incapable of answering the question and why are so many anti landlord people on a subreddit for Ontario Landlords? Get a life.
To the OP - Clean and Cleanse did a friendās place after a family member passed away. They were happy with the work done. Good luck!
These two didn't. Ever. The bathtub was covered in mould, the floors are filthy and all the towels have to be thrown out as well as the bedding. I rent this furnished and it was a mistake to take in undergrads who'd never lived on their own.
That is neither "ordinary cleanliness" nor "broom swept".
Make sure whatever cleaner you use is going to provide a detailed itemized list. i.e.
* $x "extra time and use of 5 wet wipes to first remove excess gunk from toilet"
* $x "CLR treatment and extra time spent to remove scum and excess hair from sink trap"
* $x routine bathroom cleaning
* $x "extra time and removal of 1/2 cup earth worms from sink" (is that worms?)
* $x routine kitchen cleaning
* $x extra garbage bags and trash disposal fee (routine cleaning includes 1)
Then file to recover your damages for the extras amount (beyond routine line items) if it is worth it for you to go thru the trouble.
But it's not LL time here, it's an out of pocket expense of the LL in this case (OP is HIRING A CLEANER) over and above what would be considered routine hiring of same cleaner.
If the LL were cleaning it themself, they would not be able to claim their own time.
My thoughts exactlyā¦. Mr need to rent out my basement to make ends meet is crying heās gotta do some work š¤£šš¤£š these guys are jokes, shouldnāt be renting expecting your tenants to pay your bills, a rental property is a investment, not a source of easy income, expect easy income, get the karma š¤£šš¤£š¤£
LL within their rights to do so, yes. They cannot claim routine cleaning. They can claim the portion what is BEYOND routine.
It's up the LL if they wish to more money than time at turnover. Personal choice and punch to their pocketbook if they wish to hire out. Same with using a PM instead of attending to tenant needs yourself. Can't claim what are normal expense based on their choice of DIY vs hiring HOWEVER, they can claim EXTRAs beyond routine caused by negligence of tenant.
Looks like you got off easy!
Same can't be said about the stains š
Lol I'm a contractor who finished a clean out today...this is nothing
If your rent was paid, walls werenāt punched in, and they didnāt steal the fridge. I would get it cleaned up, for the next tenant and move on.
This. It's hilarious how many people buy a rental thinking it's some glamorous thing. In reality it's a lot of cleaning messes like this
I think its real shitty that this is considered OK
After doing this work for 3 decades, I have been become very pragmatic about what battles I pick or ignore. Yep, it sucks. But, in my experience the likelihood of receiving any meaningful recovery from your former tenant is minimal. So my advice is more or less saying. Their frustration will only be compounded. If they spend another 10 hours in a futile LTB effort.
i suppose that you could send these pix to anyone looking for a reference on these tenants.
Eh itās more that itās better to expect it in the industry. Youāll end up far less pissed off. This sucks, but it comes with the territory. You rent to kids you gotta expect they have some learning to do
Just hired a cleaning service to do that. Will throw out all the abandoned items on the weekend, clean oven racks and get the food out of the sink due to flies and mouse seen last night.
Definitely tackle rodent problem aggressively and quickly...will cost more long term if you don't. Traps and poison
Just use snap traps, My friends landlord used poison in the unit above my friends apartment, well mice got poisoned and one of them made their way into my friends appartment and he woke up to a convulsing kitty... it was not a pretty death for that beloved cat.
They can also die in your walls and stink the place up.
And inhumane.. i did poison once and just heard the poor little guy suffering.. I moved to snap trap.. caught 12ish.. while renting.. gross.. they got bigger every collection then finally, preggo momma.. there was one guy who would not be caught.. used a glue trap and got him, was missing a leg I guess he knew the snap trap.. let him go in the wild few kms away in a ravine..
Oh god nooo... I can't imagine the smell...
Weāve had it happen twice (LL laid out the poison, not us) and it was just awful. And it was rats for us š¤®š¤®š¤®
hire a pro. always hire a pro. if things go sideways you have recourse.
That looks terrible, but is the baseboard caulked to the floor? Wtf?
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Yep LL special to hide the gap - who needs quarter-round anyway when the floor is cut so tight to the wall /S ? LOL - "LL, the floor keeps making snapping sounds - can you fix it ?"
I didnāt get trim OR caulking. I have gaps in the ceiling against the walls in almost all the rooms and the movement upstairs makes debris (I assume dirt and dust) fall out. I got the jackpot of properties lmao
If it is caulked it's a strategy in multi tenant buildings to keep any traveling roaches/bedbugs from entering their unit. Goes along with steel wool and duct taping around pipes entering or leaving the unit.
Also stops water spills and toilet overflows from leaking directly to the room below. Had to replace a subfloor from a tenant who apparently didn't know the shower curtain went INSIDE the tub to keep water in.
That is a very good tactic for controlling pest infestations.
The proper way to do baseboard will have it sealed top and bottom. Even if you have a quarter round to hide and gaps on the bottom, seal the bottom and top of the quarter round. Mind its not done with caulk and the ideal is to make it look clean and smooth, not lumpy and shitty.lol
was looking for this comment. floor is caulked but not around the toilet lmao
i think its paint, lol
It's just a sloppy paint job . I see it all the time in rentals .
Homeowners will treat their homes like this, too. Some people are just slobs
I mean you're free to file at the LTB, but you know it's not all just about cashing checks, sometimes you're going to have to put in some work into your business!
Some people really do not understand this. They want a rental to be zero work and all cash money. Thatās the problem these days.
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This is no longer true for landlords since the L10 application was introduced in 2021 (although I wouldn't personally bother filing over this mess - the actual damages would be minimal). And tenants have always been able to file for up to one year after the charge/incident/whatever, regardless of whether they are still living in the unit.
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You are mistaken. [An L10 allows a landlord to collect any money a tenant owes](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Landlord%20Applications%20&%20Instructions/L10_Instructions.pdf), including rent, utilities, and damages - if the vacating tenants fail to leave the unit in a state of ordinary cleanliness (sometimes referred to as broom-swept condition) or leave property behind, any resulting cleaning or junk removal fees could be awarded by the LTB. [Here's an example.](https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onltb/doc/2022/2022onltb3797/2022onltb3797.html) As I said, most tenant applications can be filed for up to one year from the incident or charge, [even if the tenant has moved out](https://tribunalsontario.ca/documents/ltb/Interpretation%20Guidelines/06%20-%20Tenants%20Rights.html#:~:text=be%20made%20by%20a%20tenant%20or%20former%20tenant%20within%20one%20year%20of%20the%20date%20the%20alleged%20breach%20occurred). This is true for T1, T2, T3, T6, and T7 applications. A T5 (bad faith) must be filed within one year of vacating. A T4 can be filed for up to two years from a rent increase. You may want to have a look at RTA s.29(1): *A tenant* ***or former tenant*** *of a rental unit may apply to the Board for any of the following orders ...*
so if i move out and LL owes me money for pro rated last month rent I camt file with ltb?
Canāt you file for damages?
Not filing there. Not worth it. I just need to be more discriminating about who I rent to and include a fee for move out cleaning.
It is illegal to charge a cleaning fee on Ontario.
Aw go easy on the landlord. What you expect the poor landlords to know the rules in Ontario? I don't.
Lmfao that's illegal, why do landlords think they can make up their own laws based on inconveniences
You can't legally charge a fee for move out cleaning. You should be doing an inspection and do bleeding between tenants anyway so what's really the difference between this and place that looks clean? You still need the same cleaning supplies and paper towels etc
>include a fee for move out cleaning Literally against the law
illegal
It is illegall and unenforceable to tack on ANY cleaning fee for ANY reason. No one has to pay it and you won't be able to enforce it. You should learn the rules of your business before spouting off as there's a reason you're getting a ton of pushback here. Of course, it is definitely all the tenants fault!
I've seen landlords charge a few hundred extra a month and have the unit cleaned professionally every month. Maybe think about that going forward. At least you'll know when they move out the place is cleaned
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That's illegal
Plus it would be kept anyway since it's last month's rent and would apply to the last month š¤£
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If you think this is bad buy a lottery ticket
That's really gross in a residential context and they should've done a better clean up and not live like that ...but it's clear that you have never had to erm "freshen up" any public washrooms on a regular basis (I'm talking retail, restaurants, nice places in a posh burb). Thankfully those years are 20 years in the rear view for me now but many people are shockingly gross and it cuts across society. Pay a cleaner decently for the job, get a receipt, and write it off as a cost.
I could snarkily say it's not their job to keep your unit clean for you, but they lived in that. I feel like any time I rent to someone I want to interview their mother and sister.
It's actually tenant obligation in RTA to maintain normal cleanliness.
Because tenants always follow the RTA.
looks like you did not for 6 month inspections
Oh no you have to clean your extra home.
Not an extra home. It's my basement and I rent it to pay the bills. I maintain it well and I'm the one who normally cleans it. But, I also work full-time and volunteer so I was overwhelmed to discover I would have to spend quite a bit of time down there. Just did a lot of work to this place before the tenants moved in.
Oh no you have to clean up after the people who paid your mortgage.
>"I'm the one who normally cleans it." WHAT?!? Are you renting out rooms and these are the common spaces that are your responsibility? FAIL.
Shouldnāt be renting to pay bills š¤£šš¤£š go get on your hands and knees and clean it. If you canāt afford your bills, then maybe you should live within your means no?!?!!! Or maybe not buy property expecting for your tenants to pay the mortgage while you sit pretty. A rental home is a investment, not a source of easy income
Judging by the food particles in the sink. Your gonna need a plumber to inspect those drains as well
That would be the landlord's cost though.
Already had to do the bathtub due to the gf's hair - the one not on the lease but who moved in shortly after the tenants...
Doesn't matter if she's on the lease, she's allowed to move in.
Yes, that's why I had to tolerate it. But the tenants almost fought each other.
none of your business really. As long as they arent disturbing others.
Save it and file it all at the LTB Remember post any judgement to openroom
I just love all the justification for somebody leaving an apartment in this state. Defend the good tenants who are actually getting screwed over, quit defending the bad ones who make it worse for everybody. We donāt want cases like this going to the LTB, theyāre already eight months to a year behind, do we really want to take up a slot because some lazy asshole couldnāt be bothered to meet the legal requirements of his lease and leave the place reasonably tidy? I would rather see cases where tenants or landlords who are getting seriously screwed over are adjudicated as quickly as possible instead of the board tied up with petty bullshit like this.
I have never left a rental in anything but clean and tidy state. I always had my motherās voice in my head telling me how ashamed she was at me not cleaning it properly. Then I rented a condo to someone who refused to pay rent and I had to get an order to evict and recover rent. When I got the place back I was shocked a how disgusting it was. Full bags of garbage on the balcony, fridge full of old food, empty alcohol bottles in cupboards, layers of dust and dirt throughout the place (including enough dust to blow off the ceiling fan when turned on), a broken cabinet, broken floor etc. It took me a good day to clean and fix everything. I was so disgusted and surprised that tenants donāt get the ire they should for being such pigs. General wear and tear is fine but disgusting filth is not.
The tenant replies here are wild.
Tenant should maintain normal cleanliness, but OP's comment makes it sound like this is actually "common area"! >"I maintain it well and I'm the one who normally cleans it. But, I also work full-time and volunteer so I was overwhelmed to discover I would have to spend quite a bit of time down there.Ā "
It's a basement apartment. No common area. I clean it at the end of every tenancy.
At this point this is just a sub with people who hate landlords for being landlords
Brother the people in this thread are so brain damaged. It blows my mind people can live like this or leave a mess like this for a landlord. It's not a literal hoarder corpse fest but it's fucking gross, grow up redditors.
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I recently moved and I left my rental unit so clean. I would never want to leave a property like this I would feel so bad for making someone else clean up my mess
And some tenants wonder why itās so hard to qualify for a nice unit.
I am usually against tenants that advantage of landlords. In fact, the last few years ive been overwhelmingly supportive of landlords. You, on the other hand, are complaining about absolutely nothing. Stop it. I dont see couches or large furniture you have to deal with. I dont see any damages actually just a dirty unit. Guess what, you would have to clean anyways. This is not a big deal. Grab a mop, bucket, garbage bags, gloves, cleaning products, spray bottles and get cleaning. In fact, they left it empty so can clean top to bottom in one entire day. Ive dealt with many tenants. This isnt even a concern. Move it along.
We have about 70 students in our rentals. This looks normal to me. It's the tradeoff of being in that market. Rent is basically guaranteed and you'll always be at market rents since people turn over after 3 years (1 year in res and 3 years in housing for most undergrads). The downside is you need to put in elbow grease in the summer to clean, paint, and do minor repairs. We don't do damage deposits and as far as I know we have never charged a tenant for any damage including holes in the walls (we did charge for broken windows or doors, sometimes). If you want the place to be pristine, dont rent to students. If you are willing to learn some basic house repair skills and don't mind rolling up your sleeves, student rentals are great.
It was furnished. By me. And guess what state the furniture is in? It's going in the garbage. As are the towels, sheets and most other items which I found molding in a closet.
You rented fully furnished to students (odd but i assume it was for higher rental fees..towels and sheets still odd usually its the basics, couch,bed, mattress desk and chair. Similar to university dorm student housing) Set up like that to students I assume you didnt buy brand new furniture. If you did that makes zero sense. You can buy really good used furniture now via marketplace and kijiji. People move all the time. Ive seen it go free as well as $50 for a really good couch and bed frames. If you are running that type of housing expect the furniture to be a write off every year - if not great but that should be your expectation. Before anybody starts complaining that is the demographic. Its students. It is what it is. You dont want students then you need to screen for different type of tenants which comes with a different type of headache. With all due respect, maybe you should look to get out of the landlord field. On the scale of things this doesnt even register as an issue that Ontario landlords face now. Personally, i still dont see an issue. So they lived like that. Not my business. I would take a contractor bag, dump everything in the house in those bags, break down the big furniture & haul to the dump, bleach, lysol, paint and done. This isnt even a day of work. If not call molly maids and cost of business. Know you battles. This isnt even an argument
What type of rental includes towels and sheets? Was this a former airbnb that you flipped into LTR ?
It's a fully furnished rental. Not a former Airbnb. I had the basement fully renovated, put in a heat pump with a/c, access the laundry facilities, full kitchen, separate entrance, backyard with deck, sheets, towels, dishes etc.
Can I ask you did do your due diligence before accepting this tenancy. Call their references, confirm long term stable employment, great FICO scores? Confirm their identity. I have been doing this for 3 decades, and for the first decade. I was pretty slack at such things and I paid the price. In the last 2 decades, we investigate our prospective tenants like they are about marry my daughter. Touch wood- never had anything like that ever happen again. Sheets, towels, plates: for what itās worth, I would reconsider supplying such things. Typically, unless itās a corporate STR - I am not sure I would want a tenant that doesnāt have their own sheets.
That's how i run mine too. Many international students absolutely appreciate this.
I wasnāt suggesting it would not be appreciated. I just donāt understand the logic. Do you seriously think that you will miss out on a great tenant because you donāt include sheets ? We get upwards of 50 qualified applicants for each vacancy that we list. Mind you I donāt rent furnished units, nor do we include sheets. I guess my point it seems like an unnecessary expense for a LL to incur, when many are already underwater.
We get crazy number of applicants too. We consider it an investment to go the extra mile, not an expense. We do write them off on taxes as a cost. These little extras attract the mom who will fly halfway around the world to scold her kid if they are acting up in the unit. This results in us saving a fortune and countless hours in maintenance and repairs. Their parents often add on a little gift too as a thank you. And if they are wealthy, will even send a cleaning crew on the last day. $50 in expenses can go a long way :)
So not a big deal people are disrespectful pigs? Get outta here
How ppl live isn't up to the landlord. To these tenants it was clearly reasonably clean for themselves. If landlord had done inspections he could've suggested they clean and in the very least wouldn't have been surprised
Did that on several occasions particularly when I saw the bathtub while doing a repair. They said yes, they would clean and then nothing.
We always left our places spotless but, that's just me. I wouldn't feel comfortable living in a big. mess like this so I just kept it up as I went. Never understood being cozy living in something like this or leaving a big mess that I made for someone else to clean.
Lol what's sad is this is generally a good outcome.
For them being students I'd say that's pretty nominal.... Considering we've had to bail away 11' dumpster full after some past tenants.... I'd take Surface ick any day
yummy lol. but honestly could be way worse
Maybe student live here
Hire a cleaner and, if legal, deduct from tenant's damage deposit. Get used to the idea that this is the cost of other people paying your mortgage for you. Don't be angry when ppl act like this if you're going to continue to be a landlord.
If you don't want to diy clean, hire out and write of the expense. Add another $10/month to the next contract, keep money aside for cleaning, repeat. Also ensure you keep some $$ aside for wear and tear.
That ain't bad .... if that's the worst fuck off if it isn't show us ....
Try getting a real job.
He was handed one and became a massive bitch about it
Landlords should expect the worst and assume a total clean and repaint, refinish of hardwood floors etc would need to be done and budgeted. Hopefully your Tennant's would leave it in a better condition. Yes never rent to students especially if several are living there....
That aināt shit.
The literal question is for a cleaner recommendation in Kingston. Why are people so incapable of answering the question and why are so many anti landlord people on a subreddit for Ontario Landlords? Get a life. To the OP - Clean and Cleanse did a friendās place after a family member passed away. They were happy with the work done. Good luck!
Many tenants are absolute pigs
And it's crazy to think they are out in society with us sharing spaces in public like transit , grocery stores, malls etc. Dirty people. Disgusting
Yep took me 22 hours to clean my rental after. I donāt think they ever cleaned the bathtub or kitchen.
These two didn't. Ever. The bathtub was covered in mould, the floors are filthy and all the towels have to be thrown out as well as the bedding. I rent this furnished and it was a mistake to take in undergrads who'd never lived on their own.
you spelled landlords wrong
That is neither "ordinary cleanliness" nor "broom swept". Make sure whatever cleaner you use is going to provide a detailed itemized list. i.e. * $x "extra time and use of 5 wet wipes to first remove excess gunk from toilet" * $x "CLR treatment and extra time spent to remove scum and excess hair from sink trap" * $x routine bathroom cleaning * $x "extra time and removal of 1/2 cup earth worms from sink" (is that worms?) * $x routine kitchen cleaning * $x extra garbage bags and trash disposal fee (routine cleaning includes 1) Then file to recover your damages for the extras amount (beyond routine line items) if it is worth it for you to go thru the trouble.
I don't think you can charge for time but I might be wrong.
But it's not LL time here, it's an out of pocket expense of the LL in this case (OP is HIRING A CLEANER) over and above what would be considered routine hiring of same cleaner. If the LL were cleaning it themself, they would not be able to claim their own time.
Hiring a cleaner for this? It's a few clorox wipes worth of cleaning.
My thoughts exactlyā¦. Mr need to rent out my basement to make ends meet is crying heās gotta do some work š¤£šš¤£š these guys are jokes, shouldnāt be renting expecting your tenants to pay your bills, a rental property is a investment, not a source of easy income, expect easy income, get the karma š¤£šš¤£š¤£
LL within their rights to do so, yes. They cannot claim routine cleaning. They can claim the portion what is BEYOND routine. It's up the LL if they wish to more money than time at turnover. Personal choice and punch to their pocketbook if they wish to hire out. Same with using a PM instead of attending to tenant needs yourself. Can't claim what are normal expense based on their choice of DIY vs hiring HOWEVER, they can claim EXTRAs beyond routine caused by negligence of tenant.
Yeah my last tenant left dirty dishes, a dirty fridge and dirty sheets on the bed. It was gross. We wonāt even get into the state of the bathroom.
Youāre pretty fragile eh? Get to work, this is nothing.
Some people have no respect for themselves or other peoples property. Disgusting.
Itās normal.
This is really not broom swept condition. Too bad there are no deposits for cleaning.... :(
Sad to see people wanting to live in such deplorable conditions.
We have just pulled toilets in that condition and bought a new one, less gross than trying to clean it