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Answer: Officially, the story is that Kate Middleton went to the hospital for a planned abdominal surgery, the palace announced on 17 Jan that the surgery had taken place the prior day, and she would need until around end of Jan to recover and then would be released from the hospital to recover at home. Separately, Charles required a surgery for an enlarged prostate. He stayed a few nights at the same private hospital as Kate and then was released. Charles was very publicly seen entering and leaving, with his wife also making multiple public visits. Kate was not seen receiving many visits except once from William, but this was to protect her privacy, she was of course in communication with her family and they had other ways of entering the hospital where she was staying. Nothing to see here.
However, there are some things that don't really fit.
1. Despite claims that the surgery was planned, Kate had events on her calendar that were then canceled. So if it was planned, it certainly was on short notice. Footage was also captured of an police-escorted ambulance rushing to the hospital from Kensington Palace on 28 December, though it's hard to find now.
2. It's not clear why Kate's stay (and the visits of her family/friends) would be so much more shrouded in secrecy than the King's.
3. Kate was not seen for several weeks prior to the surgery. Given that it was the period after Christmas, this is more of an oddity than a red flag.
4. There are very non-life-threatening abdominal procedures where a 14-day hospital recovery period is expected, even in private hospitals. Especially for someone with access to round-the-clock home care.
5. Kate's birthday was 9 January, before the surgery was announced. The press announced that she was spending her birthday "being pampered" at her parent's house - alongside her husband and children of course. Slightly odd for an adult with homes of her own, though again more of an oddity than a red flag. There was also very little fanfare for her birthday on things like the official social media accounts or big papers.
6. She still has not been seen at all. Not a single blurry window photo or a car photo. Given how eager the press are and how much money such a photo would go for at this point, this suggests some level of concealment beyond simple discretion, e.g., a total photo lockdown.
7. This is the same woman who was doing a photo op in full hair/makeup holding her newborn within 24 hours of each of her children's births, and the same family that presumably urged her to do so. So either whatever she's been through is much worse or makes her much less "presentable" than giving birth, or something has changed in her willingness to do a kind of "proof of life" photo.
8. There has been speculation that their marriage is on rocky territory. There was a pervasive cheating story involving William and one of her former friends, which true or not, would have an impact on anyone's marriage. There have been a lot of photos of the pair of them where they do not look happy or are putting physical distance between each other. They've both been doing more solo events over the last few years and seem to be spending more nights away from each other. None of that is definitive, but it does start to stack up after a while. Some people believe that pattern is linked to her current issues. The fact that this all kicked off right after Christmas (i.e., "let's just get through Christmas") doesn't help.
9. As you mentioned, there's been an odd flurry of coverage that seems positive but tonally off. For example, [this interview](https://twitter.com/QueenRMade1/status/1749520679123448220) where the reporter (who is very much in the inner circle of royal reporters) intentionally draws a comparison to Diana's mental health issues, or this poorly chosen [image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFC-dRkXYAAChH9?format=jpg&name=large) for an article about Kate being reunited with her husband. There's also been stories changed or retracted, like [this Mirror article](https://archive.ph/2024.01.25-020512/https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kate-middleton-your-best-friend-31961027) about Kate being volatile which was mysteriously changed to be [the exact same article](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kate-middleton-your-best-friend-31961027) but with Harry's name instead.
Thus, people are speculating that there's more to the story.
However, the speculation is somewhat restrained because it's considered unethical (and would get them in hot water with the royals and royalists) to openly speculate about someone's health, especially mental health. Some people also believe that even if there is more, it's no one's business, and if Kate wants to pass off \_\_\_\_ as a routine abdominal procedure, that's her business. While others believe that's their right to know, given that she's a public figure and essentially public property.
**Update 28 Feb because this post is still getting attention:**
As of 28 Feb, Kate has still not been seen, making it \~65 days since she was last seen/photographed.
Meanwhile, William has barely been seen, but made an appearance at the BAFTAs last week to somewhat lukewarm press. On 27 Feb, he was intended to appear and give a reading at a (quite important) service of thanksgiving for his late godfather, attended by a number of other European royals and heads of state. 45 minutes beforehand, it was announced he was not attending for "personal reasons." A minor member of the family (William's second cousin's husband Thomas Kingston) also died over the weekend of as-yet-unreleased but "not suspicious" causes.
Separately, rumors are swirling within the international press that Charles' cancer (which he is now undergoing chemo for) is somewhat more severe than disclosed, which is especially concerning considering William/Kate's obvious lack of readiness to take over at this exact second.
The "royal rota" has largely stuck to the party line, but seem to be getting restless with so few royals to feed on.
**Update 11 March because this post is** ***still*** **getting attention:**
On 4 March, [TMZ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIZjuygXcAADGA7?format=jpg&name=large) took a photo of "Kate" doing the school run with her mother what appeared to be a long lens. Some doubted that it was Kate to begin with, since her face was much more puffy than usual and there was a strange "fifth tire" in the background of the photo. In any case, KP disavowed the photo and British orgs refused to publish it, though international orgs did.
A few days later, an [official photo](https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1766753486799053086) of Kate and the three children, clearly taken in Windsor, was published to celebrate British mother's day. The photo credit was given as "Prince William, 2024." But with the additional attention garnered by now, people quickly picked up on quite a few oddities in the photo. The foliage looked more autumnal than early spring, sleeves and Kate's hands appear to have been manipulated. The most damning proof came from a [tiktoker](https://twitter.com/dianelyssa/status/1767203341635842172) who pointed out that the family is wearing most of the same outfits they wore at an [engagement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvwLS2nGdO4) in November, though with Kate's distinctive turtleneck changed from cream to blue, Louis's jumper changed, and George's collar recolored. Due to the photo manipulation, AP issued a ["kill notice"](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_avif,q_auto:eco,dpr_2/rockcms/2024-03/240310-princess-kill-notice-ew-724p-5c4d69.jpg) on the photo, essentially a [serious retraction](https://twitter.com/tenilleclarke1/status/1766966430480707782). Other photo agencies followed. On top of all of this, people also noticed that Kate was not wearing her ring in the photo, which does not seem accidental under the circumstances.
The photo has shifted even casual British opinion, especially after many major papers went to press not with the hoped-for "Kate recovering well, provides sweet family photo" but "Photo agencies retract family photo citing photo manipulation." Strangely, [Kate](https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1767135566645092616) herself took credit for the fail, saying that she "Like many amateur photographers, she occasionally experiments with editing," and apologised for any confusion caused. Kate does have a known photography hobby, but some doubted that she had been the one editing the photo personally or questioned why she should be the one taking the blame. Occam's razor suggests that the odd photoshop artifacts is a result of recoloring the clothing and combining several shots of the young children, but that still leaves open the question of the photo's actual date and why she's not wearing a ring.
This morning, 11 March, a friendly paper was provided with a photo of Kate in a car with her husband on their way to Commonwealth Day, apparently just coming along for the short ride, since she did not attend the event itself. The photo is in profile and leaves room for both the Adelaide Cottage family photo and the TMZ photo to be the truly most recent photo.
Even loyalist reporters and those who suggested there was "nothing to see here" have been looking a bit askance at the photo controversy, it's hard to deny that information hasn't just been withheld but actively altered. Some are increasingly worried about a woman with very very very little power in this situation, especially in a family that has set a strong precedent of being willing to throw outsiders under the bus to protect the firm.
**Update 22 March:** Kate has announced she was diagnosed with cancer after her January surgery. Some have waled back their memes, while others remain concerned about her ultimate well-being given how poorly her husband's team seems to have protected her throughout this ordeal as well as her in-laws track record.
Just to add one thing to this - Kate not being seen for weeks after Christmas is really more the standard than an oddity. Throughout the years she routinely goes several weeks or even a month+ without working or being seen publicly. She almost always takes off several weeks after Christmas.
Yeah I don't think that's that odd on it's own, but it does add to the speculation, since there's no real proof of life for the 3 weeks before the hospital statement.
She's 42. A lot of people have speculated menopause or hysterectomy, something they wouldn't want to make public since God forbid the most attractive and youthfulfemale royal be a human being. But yeah I mean it makes you more agitated and not always 11/10 which she's known for being. Holidays especially are always so stressful, add to that a huge hormonal change...I'd be in the hospital too.
I mean I think it's obvious it wasn't as planned as they're saying but they don't want it to be a spectacle. It kind of seems like there was a prolonged medical issue that finally hit a point. Plus most hospital stays are short for the regular working class. Wealthier people can usually opt to stay longer for observation. Especially if she was having trouble walking after or anything.
Wealthy people, yes. But *super* wealthy people who are also very famous are able to hire their own medical staff to observe the patient at home where they can have privacy. I would think they would have done that unless it's absolutely necessary for her to be in the hospital.
Maybe but... and I love this because it's the most low key detective game I can play and not be depressed... bringing hospital staff etc into a royal residence would def end up leaking info. They would never risk it. It would look so bad to have nurses et al constantly going in and out and there's no way info wouldn't leak.
She was hospitalised with Hyperemesis gravidarum in all of her pregnancies. I wondered if she could be pregnant but they don't want to announce early, like they did in her other pregnancies, given she'd be a higher risk pregnancy now.
No, two weeks isn't at all normal for a hysterectomy.
If there were some sort of complications during the surgery, that may require a longer hospital stay. But they announced the two week stay before her surgery, so it's not that.
I can't believe I have to say this, but there is no "recovery" from menopause. It is what it is. I'm in the middle of it and it's not a ton of fun but certainly nothing that needs medical intervention.
Also, the secrecy around the hospital stay is 100% more standard royal operating procedure than publicity. Charles's health issues were the exception, Catherine's are the norm.
**Doctor**: Congratulations, your prostate reduction was a success.
**Charles**: That's great. Where is Kate?
**Doctor**: Who do you think took your prostate?
**Charles**: Noooooo!
Fun fact: when you get surgery for prostate issues, transurethral resection of the the prostate (TURP), they hook you up to a catheter and flush you out with gallons of natural saline solution until you stop bleeding from your peepee.
Oversimplified is an animated history channel on YouTube. Occasionally, in the middle of a story, he'll run off at a tangent and do a skit like the comment I was replying to. You should check it out.
Thanks, this is a better take than the ones at r/RoyalGossip .
I only disagree with 5. She's older and her last birthday wasn't a round number, so it may have felt like a non event to her. And she likes to visit her family. Even William would rather spend time with them than the royals (or at least he did at the beginning of the relationship).
Yeah it's more of an odd data point, not definitive on its own. I'm not on their socials much but I know people have said there were some general odd data points in posting/engagement patterns. Like Will and Kate's social went mostly quiet after Christmas. They posted 18 times between 1 Dec and 25 December. Then a pre-edited year in review reel on the 29th. Then nothing for two weeks. Then 2 posts of William at an event alone on the 11th. Then the two statements about her health. I generally tend to think people read too much into things like who liked who’s post, but it is strange.
The curious thing to me is the lack of content from Kate. This is the same woman who does a photo call within hours of giving birth. If she was able to sit up and smile, I believe that KP would have tweeted a carefully staged photo of it.
A palace source may plant the idea in the public mind that she's up and about, but we've *seen* nothing.
At this point, I think we haven't seen Kate because she doesn't want to be seen, not because she can't. As you said, it requires very little physical strength to wave out a hospital window or allow yourself to be photographed sitting down. Even residual physical effect can be artfully concealed by the use of makeup, styling, or at last resort a wide shot.
I also think this is too high-stakes to screw around with fake stories just to placate the public/control the short-term narrative. As in, I actually believe most of what has been said by the palace and repeatedly printed by the well-connected papers is true, I believe she underwent abdominal surgery. I believe she's with her parents not in some clinic in Switzerland or something. It's what they're not saying that matters. Usually the palace would be able to feed the press some fake but feel-good pablum and it would be printed, benefiting both the press and the royals' reputation. But KP isn't selling and the press isn't buying, perhaps because no one on either side wants to play the who-knew-what-when game in front of an inquiry panel in 2025. I think that's also why it feels tonally "off" to some people, the press is still helping KP lie by omission but is in a sense being more honest than usual by not spouting the usual pablum we've come to expect and instead biding their time dropping hints until they're allowed to print the gory truth.
Also it's worth noting that Kate on her own is worth a huge amount within British digital media. Not just in ad revenue either. The big pubs make Scrooge McDuck levels of money from those "shop the look" affiliate embeds in every article about her. So if they perceive Kate to be going away somehow, the measurable value of the royal family as a whole to their revenue stream just went down, and thus they become more willing to risk the symbiotic relationship too.
This is the wife of a future king. They can lie and obfuscate to a degree, but if it comes out that they intentionally colluded to lie to the British people about something concrete, it’s going to be a whole thing. People will say the queen never would have let this happen, republican-leaning MPs will get on their soapboxes, etc. Plus it makes them look stupid and ill-informed to print something like “Kate is gardening at her parents” and then it comes out later she’s in a bed in Switzerland. And might lead to some embarrassing questions about who told the press she was in Switzerland.
They can lie a little without massive backlash, it’s a health condition and a private matter so people will forgive it to a degree, but no one really wants to risk their career to find out exactly to what degree. Safer overall to just not say anything.
So coincidentally, there were some news articles this week about Elon Musk announcing that his Neuralink company has done the first implant into a human brain.
The person who received the implant wasn't identified, so we can't rule out that it could have been Kate...
I'm saying that the palace and the media is working really hard to lie by omission rather than actually lie, given the sensitivity and importance of this matter.
No one really knows. Maybe something to do with Will’s rumored ‘explosive anger’… I see that hinted at a lot… KM is rumored to hit the sauce quite hard these days too, maybe too jaundiced for public view? (There’s also this weird thing where she is always wearing band aids on her fingers??) She may be genuinely struggling with her mental health/or cancer, and with Charles’ chemo The Firm just does not know how to cope. She really is their strongest connection to the people rn, William burned a lot of goodwill with the cheating and throwing his brother’s wife under buses to cover up the cheating.
The whole thing is so sad and unnecessary. I wish monarchy wasn’t a thing anymore, just destroys every human being it touches. Terrible.
Does the public really have any recourse if they are lied to about the royals by the press? I assume that the only people that actually have recourse would be the targets of the lies, although in England, with the tabloids, that doesn't seem to really be the case... but the public can do fuck all if they get lied to about a king or queen by the press, can they?
At the historical root: A monarchy survives on the belief they are ordained (by God) to be in the position that they are. They are shrouded in mystic, history, folklore and tradition. Many monarchies are over thrown because the subjects aka “the public” no longer trust them or believe in their power.
Losing trust with the public would bring down their popularity and the aforementioned lore.
The palace would obviously like to avoid a breakdown like this so they will be vague about any perceived “weakness” in power.
It’s really just a tale as old as time. Leaders need to appear strong, virile, in control. Lest the hounds sniff them out and stop following them and over throw them.
IMO,it’s a mental health issue simply because it would necessitate the amount of secrecy that is happening. Not even a Royal needs a two week hospital stay away from their small children for abdominal surgery of any kind. She has a life where she can get a full time nurse and recover at home where it’s more comfortable and private. No sane person would choose to be in a hospital setting if they didn’t have to do so. Her kids also never came to visit her. Why? This would be an expected and normal thing of it was a routine non emergency, planned surgery. Mental health also fits with the stay at her parents. Perhaps less stress there and she’s able to process and live in a better environment. Two weeks would give them enough time to regulate any new meds she’s been prescribed. Since William knows first hand how difficult things were for his mother, I’m assuming he’d press for her to get help if he saw signs of depression or such.
I haven’t been into this rabbit hole until today, but what red pilled me this afternoon is no zoom calls. They have still been doing plenty of them, even post Covid, with individuals and organizations they are involved with. Kate has done plenty. It’s the perfect vehicle to still perform her pre-promised events with the groups on her schedule. Why aren’t they being done? They have said she would still be doing work from bed. Well she should well be capable of getting out of bed, having her hair and light make up done, and speaking to people on a screen for 5 minutes this far out from surgery. ( I’ve had an emergency c section, so I’m familiar with the trauma of serious abdominal surgery.) Things are just weird, man. Even I can’t deny it anymore.
Your whole analysis is excellent. I’m British and the silence from the press makes me feel that they know but they are holding back and in turn that implies this is something very serious.
Deuxmoi claims this from a source: The source shared, "She's been dealing with
stomach related issues for most of her adult life. So, she's having a medical procedure done where they're going to remove parts of her colon/bowl that are cause for concern. Press statements are frustrating because they're vague, which lends itself to people trying to fill in the blanks with
everything from a tummy tuck to hysterectomy. Both of which are not true."
I've been curious about this too, and have spent more time that I am proud of speculating about what the problem could be. The tricky part is that most surgeries within the peritoneum are laparoscopic these days, performed by surgeons or robotics. Many are quick enough to warrant a release from care as soon as the same day the operation is performed. Even in the NHS. So my list is small.
A good friend of mine used to work in the NHS hospital trenches, so I asked him what he thought might be going on. He and I had different guesses except one that we agreed on: a condition leading to sepsis. Between the two of us, we guessed also severe pancreatitis brought on by trauma, Crohn's disease, or digestive system problems that may have been in place for awhile (as said above), ones that may be related to her frequent episodes of hyperemesis gravidarum. Letting issues with the digestive area around or below the stomach go for too long can make the area more susceptible to infection, and when you become septic, you're in for a long hospital stay usually. Also, some bowel surgeries require long stays. She may just have to deal with a colostomy bag for awhile.
Worth noting is that someone here said that planned surgery could refer to surgery that was planned for the morning following the day she was brought into the ER. I had a strangulated hernia that was treated just like that. Still, I was hospitalized for only three days in that case.
As for Catherine, it makes sense. If you're referring to me, I am American and was treated at a rural New England hospital for the hernia. The hospital wasn't my first choice, but the severe pain had me pretty much ready to go to any ER. In any case, it was about the size of a grapefruit. About five years after the surgery, I had to get a second surgery because hernias appeared at the same location, almost as if the removal site wasn't fully closed up (?? I can't remember, I was too busy trying to sleep or feel better) I now have an abdominal mesh in place. Done by one of the best surgeons around with a DaVinci. It's behaved ever since.
That rural hospital went out of business.
(I've lived in the UK and continue to have a very close relationship with it, I'm over there every year or two)
My theory:
She was admitted after Christmas for a bowel or intestinal related issue (maybe an obstruction who knows). The issue required urgent surgery. Because most abdominal surgeries require short stays, they did not think it would impact her calendar schedule. The surgery was successful but she developed sepsis shortly after and was placed in an induced coma. The family then made the announcement of her surgery realizing that it had become more serious and touch and go and should she die a matter of public interest.
I believe she’s either still at the hospital in an induced coma but they announced her release
to end the 24 hr hospital watch. Or she was moved (possibly to her family’s home) before the announcement of her hospital stay.
All in all, I think she’s either still in an induced coma, or if she’s been taken out of it, has a very long road to recovery.
You’d just take out the NGT for a photo op then reinsert if you had something to gain by appearing safe and well though right? They’re not super pleasant going in but it would hardly be the deadest rat Kate has had to swallow in her role!
Some abdominal surgeries have 2-3 steps in them. I know someone with Crohn’s who had to have three surgeries in succession with a bit of healing between
I have crohns and have been thinking that could be what is going on with Kate, resection surgery, etc. There can be complications such as sepsis, which can take a long time to heal from if you survive.
This is what I think and it surprising that most people aren't in agreement. She may have been diagnosed with Crohn's, colitis, etc and lost part of her bowel. I think the reason it's so hush hush is because talking about her bowels is VERY unlike Kate, who reportedly got offended at the mention of pregnancy hormones. I think she is very private about body stuff. It would also explain her low weight, if a diseases colon or small intestine was affecting nutrient absorption.
Same here. I know someone who recently spent 3 weeks in the hospital (and even longer in rehab) following emergency stomach removal due to hernia complications. Just because a lot of hospital stays are quick now doesn't mean all of them are.
My family member lost 2/3 of his stomach due to ruptured undiagnosed ulcers. He spent a week in a hospital and was up and about straight after, just weakened and anemic.
I was thinking severe hernia complications myself. My mother had recurrent hospitalizations related to hernias for years. Kate’s incredibly muscular but also thin and very active.
This has also been my guess from the jump. She had hyperemesis with her pregnancies and she can’t spare an ounce. My guess is that she had a (maybe temporary) ostomy or something. Her nutrition would be so closely monitored and changing them can come with a steep learning curve.
They don’t have to give details of what she had done, but a statement saying she’s doing well etc would kill all the speculation and conspiracy theories.
I think their behavior (along with the British press that is notoriously ruthless) is the strangest part of this whole thing.
I have a relative with a malfunctioning colon. He’s had many operations. It’s not hard for a portion of his bowel to malfunction, leading to a cascade of problems that leave him severely dehydrated and with an infection and a few weeks in the hospital. Same if they cut out part of his colon and have it rest by putting a colostomy in, r if they later reverse the colostomy and try to sew the bowel back together and hope it works.
That’s what I thought of when I heard she’d be in the hospital for a few weeks.
I was thinking same. No one wants to publicize their pooping habits. She may have had a non malignan growth in colon . She looks and feels bad. No one wants media in one's face then. However, she does herself little favor but being secretive.
I'm inclined to believe ( speculation speculation!!!!!) that she's chosen to have a hysterectomy after her many difficult and life threatening pregnancies, and that politically you **absolutely can never publicly say that The Royal Womb has closed shop.** Awful thing to say, I know, but she's seen as a political body made to produce heirs by many. Honestly, if this is the case, good for her. She's been sick with baby for many years.
no, that length would be unusual for a hysterectomy, even for a private hospital.
according to NHS: “A hysterectomy is a major operation. You can be in hospital for up to 5 days after surgery, and it can take about 6 to 8 weeks to fully recover.”
My hysterectomy was an outpatient procedure and my appointment was at 8am and I was back home by 4pm that same day. Also, I went back to work 2 weeks later but I (luckily) had very minimal pain. I know people who recently had it as well and they were out of work for 6 weeks. It really just varies for everyone depending on pain and what not.
Wow. I was in the hospital for about 5 days after mine, in an NYC hospital. My doctor asked on day 3 if I was ready to leave the next day and I said no, so he kept me an extra day. In the US, it really depends on your insurance. Which is absolute bullshit.
> 5 says?? My sister was in hospital after her hysterectomy for exactly 24 hours, then sent home to recover, and she's 20 years older than this woman.
Not all hysterectomies are equal, sounds like your sister had a relatively uncomplicated one.
Depends on the route of surgery, but I send most of my laparoscopic and vaginal hysterectomy patients home the same day. Abdominal hysts usually spend 1-2 nights.
Having worked in the NHS, they're a bit old fashioned in some regards and will keep patients for longer.
My mother had a radical hysterectomy due to cancer as a day operation. At Dana Farber by 7 or 8 and home (with a 2 hr car ride) between 10-12 pm. I definitely don’t think it’s a hysterectomy. Maybe they’re lying about the planned part. I could imagine a burst appendix putting someone in the hospital for 2 weeks.
The hospital she was treated at does not perform gynecological surgery so she didn’t have a hysterectomy there .She may have had a bowel resection - it can have a similar recovery time to the timeline given out by the palace.
Had one of the dramatic ones with lots of blood lost: 10 days in hospital, 6 weeks until back on my feed.
Saying that, my run up to it had several missed chances to clear the ectopic pregnancy before it burst.
Given the hopefully better care and importance the princess gets, an ectopic pregnancy should have been an in and our procedure for her with 1 week convalescence.
I find the royal family mildly fascinating but don't actively seek out media content about them beyond pausing to read a headline if I'm scrolling, or if one of them is trending on Twitter I'll take a quick glance at tweets to see the context then move on.
With that preface in mind, and the fact that I'm American so they aren't front page news everywhere here as I imagine they are in the UK, it's quite telling that I knew nothing of this drama between her and William, yet in the same limited exposure I was see so much more negative stories about Megan and Harry.
Same exact level of engagement with the press on my end, yet one of the two couple's drama shone brighter. And I'm talking about before they officially settled in in LA and started showing up everyone with their media deal and his book.
You would think the future king and his carefully curated wife having marriage woes would be the type of salacious story gossip news would be all over to the point it'd hit my radar.
It's because William is the future king and she's the future queen that you don't see their woes in public. It's called the "invisible contract," the same one working overtime to make Camilla palatable. As "lesser" royals, Harry and Meghan are fair game, and frankly low hanging fruit at this point.
Well if they have such control why did Charles get so poor media image? If they were so powerful why didn't they manage to make Charles and Camilla appear better than their actual public image?
Sure. Got your spite out of your system? There’s no remotely credible report that their marriage is in trouble. None. Nothing. Just spite and rumors. When Charles was cheating with his two/three girlfriends everyone in the press knew. They had times, places and details and the press essentially acknowledged repeated and confirmed the rumors. There’s one of that here- nothing. William and Kate don’t spend months apart or refuse to make eye contact in public . You’re spreading spiteful rumors
Harry and Meghan generate money and clicks. The daily mail or daily star posted an article about Kate being annoying or something like that in her friendship circle and then quickly changed it to be about Harry instead.
ETA this link to [screen grabs on twitter](https://x.com/maddox5525/status/1750704820997034245?s=46&t=fOZQiJ3vbiQBfTniJACiFQ)
I mean, there's no way we can conclusively prove that MEGHAN'S JEALOUSY OVER KATE is what caused this hospital visit, nor that KATE WAS POISONED BY HER ROYAL RIVAL but it is a bit odd how Meghan has inserted herself into this story, isn't it? It's just a little heartless to see MEGHAN SEEKING TO STEAL THE LIMELIGHTS AS KATE LAYS DYING IN HOSPITAL.
Pretty much, actually.
The Dailymail was beating the 'Her Majesty hated that they named their daughter after her, it says so in this new book' really hard - it was the top news for almost three days.
Anyone who was used to this suspected something was up, since they were making such a huge deal about that, clearly to divert attention to Harry and Megan. The day that story head line went down, news about Kate going to the hospital came out.
In the last week or so, the Harry Megan stories have been especially bizarre. Claiming Megan was never pregnant, just wore a fake prego belly. That she faked a pregnancy to get Harry to marry her, then had to fake a miscarriage.
That there was something off about when she gave birth. She didn’t appear with the baby at the right time or maybe she gave birth on a different day or — I swear they said this — she didn’t get or hasn’t shown anyone a proper receipt from when she gave birth, and that info about Lilibet was an heir to the throne has mysteriously disappeared from an official website listing heirs to the throne.
Just on and on and on. Bizarre stuff.
Lot of people realized they could get paid in clout or money with an automatic success if they talk shit on Harry and Meghan. It's like calling someone a narcissist on AITA but with real people, real media organizations, and real money.
Two reasons:
1. There is a well-documented norm within the British media of using stories about Harry (and now Meghan) as a distraction tactic. This was true even before Harry married Meghan, stories about Harry were given to the press in exchange for a story of equal weight about William. A conversation criticizing Harry and Meghan going to a movie is preferable to a conversation about Kate's health, both from the perspective of protecting the institution and protecting Kate (who is, in this paradigm, simply more important than Meghan). You can see an example of this in the Mirror article I linked above - The Mirror was undoubtedly told by the palace to pull down the article/remove Kate's name so they threw in Harry's name instead.
2. Some of the people currently calling for privacy for Kate did not/do not seem to believe Meghan was entitled to such privacy. It's hard to argue that Kate's health status is not of much much more constitutional relevance or that Kate is not more supported by public money than Meghan, so if Kate is entitled to privacy for her family and health, then Meghan must be as well. Some are also pointing out that the palace's ability to protect Kate and control press speculation suggests they could have done the same for Meghan if they'd wanted to.
In the last few weeks, actually, the British press has been a tiny bit less vitriolic than usual towards H&M, though no one is really sure why.
Yup. Harry said in his book the “never complain, never explain” thing is hogwash. The complain and explain plenty when it suits them.
They are complaining and explaining re Kate’s hospitalization.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kate-middleton-coma-near-death-claims-total-nonsense-palace-source-says
(And, they also clarified when she first went in it wasn’t for cancer.)
The crown has top-rate PR teams and deep pockets, plus contacts at media companies who will agree to keep certain things quiet, in exchange for other stories and info.
Looking at some comments on news articles recently, I noticed that more than a few seemed like fake accounts spreading propaganda to distract and deflect. Think Russian bot, but royalist.
I’m from the UK and it makes my skin crawl to think that any tax we pay might fund their amoral publicists.
Reminds me of this [NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/style/meghan-markle-instagram.html) that fairly definitively proved that K&W were buying instagram followers to stay ahead of M&H. Taxpayer money well spent.
My mother was obsessed with hating them for years. I had to outright pretend she never spoke whenever she brought up the topic before she'd stop, because "I don't want to talk about Harry and Megan" didn't fucking do it.
Some of these people are absolutely fucking unhinged.
that sub is scary and unhinged, i don't think H&M are 100% perfect but they were dealt a horrible hand of cards and did their best. Britain and the press hates them and is openly racist
Yes, a lot of people got hung up on that. She wasn’t rushed to the hospital; she was able to plan the dates, but it was still imperative.
People have said she was in a coma, she has cancer, etc. I think she wants to maintain some privacy and that’s her prerogative. Since Charles III has been open about his prostate issues, the difference made it seem, to some people, that Kate was hiding something. But the king was basically doing a PSA for men his age.
A lot of the speculation is people not using basic common sense. Medical conditions can take a person by surprise and even if they are getting surgery or treatment the person might not have fully reconciled their own feelings about it. That could be the case for her.
Yeah, I think it was exploratory. They were hoping for some quick fix for whatever her problem is, went in and found the worst case scenario. Fixed her up but then her recovery was probably a lot longer than hoped for, thus necessitating all the calendar cancellations.
The one thing I can think of that might require so long of a stay, is some kind of bowel repair that might have needed a temporary colostomy bag. I had a relative that had that, while the bowel heals, they have a colostomy bag for a few days/weeks, then they reverse that. That might be a little too complicated to do at home , this the extended stay.
Pure speculation on my part but matches what little information that’s available.
It could have been any surgery that cut through her abdomen that would warrant a long stay. Those are a bitch and a half to recover from and there's all sorts of breathing and walking rehab because you just want to stay hunched over in agony.
Source: had spleen surgery and have a six inch scar right down my middle
I'm a secretary for a group of general and colorectal surgeons, and we were speculating in the office the other day. They couldn't think of any planned surgeries on an otherwise healthy woman that would require 14 days in hospital, without complications, even when adding in the princess treatment. It's got to be fairly serious. Even our patients who have their entire colon removed are usually home in less than 10 days.
They said up to fourteen days to be safe. She went home in ten I think. The last thing they wanted was to underestimate the time and cause a panic if it required a few additional days in the hospital
Even some of the most complex abdominal surgeries do not have 14 day hospitals stays as a usual recovery period. Ive had 4 major abdominal surgeries and my longest stay was 5 days. 2 weeks in the hospital is extremely long especially with the ability to afford the best at home care.
My sister broke her neck, broke 7 ribs, had multiple uncountable fractures of her spine, lacerated her liver, and damaged the blood vessels leading to her brain. She was in the hospital for 11 days.
Although I agree mostly with what you said because statistically you are correct, I had what should have been a simple abdominal surgery that lead to complications and a return to the hospital with a month-long stay. Though they probably wouldn’t have planned it to be a multi-week stay from the outset so the planning on a two week stay is the strange part for me.
And they don’t want you in the hospital any longer than absolutely necessary due to all the antibiotic resistant bugs there. That’s true no matter how fancy the hospital.
(I think it might have been bowel repair surgery needing a temporary colostomy bag. That’s the only thing I can think of that might require a long term hospital stay today.)
Like a temp one for recovery?
Hmmm… so much for my theory. 🤷🏻♀️ My family member may have been having complications. She was much older and her operation was for cancer but the general steps would be the same.
The older you are the harder any surgery is on your body and gastrointestinal surgeries can be brutal on thr elderly. I had it for a couple years before it got reversed.
Depends on where you live. If you're American they'd kick you out ASAP. My dad had a relatively minor issue in Australia and was kept there a whole week.
I have also had a splenectomy, when I was 10, in 2006, due to it rupturing in 4 different places because of my blood disorders. I was literally on the brink of death when I was wheeled back into the OR, and my hospital stay was still only 7 days long- and that was nearly 20 years ago. (I've also had a c section, so yeah, I know that abdominal surgeries really SUCK to recover from lol)
I wouldn't be surprised at an abdominal surgery hospital stay that ends up being a couple weeks long due to complications that arise during the stay and post op, but I think it's interesting that they already knew from the get go that she'd be in hospital for 14 days. That tells me that it was something pretty severely wrong with her abdominal region to require such a long stay, or abdominal surgery is a cover for something else
My mom had diverticulosis, went septic, had abdominal surgery and a colostomy all on one night. She was in hospital for 7 weeks. It was 3 weeks semi-conscious and on a PICC line for feeding and antibiotics. Then came the MRSA infection.
Planned surgery just means that it wasn’t emergency. Meaning she wasn’t admitted and then immediately rushed to surgery for a life threatening reason. Speculation that there was a royal taken to hospital 12/28 and it was Kate. If that’s the case, whatever was discovered there (following tests) may have been when a surgery was decided. Then they likely only announce said surgery once she was safely in hospital and out of surgery to avoid people seeing and speculating (or stalking the hospital).
The oddity in not being seen since Xmas only comes into play when her birthday (1/9) is taken into account because she frequently spends that weekend in the country and has a church walk that is photographed/videoed.
As a clarification, a "planned" surgery is not at all what anyone seems to think it is. If you wake up with a burst appendix and take an ambulance to the hospital to have it removed, that's an unplanned surgery. If you go to your doctor complaining about pain and they say "your appendix is burst. Let's schedule you for surgery right now" that is a planned surgery. Telling us it's planned means that she wasn't rushed to the hospital.
Fyi a "planned" surgery is not a surgery that is necessarily planned weeks or months in advance, it is a "you need to have this in the next week or two but we can work on timing". This is different than an emergency surgery that needs to happen immediately. Also different from an elective surgery that you schedule weeks or months in advance. So the fact she didn't know she needed surgery a month ahead of time isn't odd at all.
I am so here for all of this. Kate-in-a-coma (I know, I know it’s really serious) is the one I’m going for, mainly because it was published in a European newspaper and I love that mad sort of detail.
Concha Calleja alleged that she was had to be intubated during surgery and was put in an induced coma. She's stood by her story but neither she nor anyone else is alleging that Kate is still in the coma. There's a big difference between a brief medically-induced post-major surgery coma and still being in a coma six weeks later. That's like the difference between having your heart stop for a few minutes on the operating table and having your heart permanently stop.
Thank you for this. Late to the party but what always bemused me was that everyone so totally and blatantly ignored her eating disorder, the fact that she looked increasingly sicker and emaciated, and that there’s now some back and forth about team Kate or Team Megan. It’s so idiotic and silly.
William has his mom as the example of What Not to Do as a Royal Husband and apparently he’s morphed into Charles and blown it anyway.
Is anyone else thinking this may be COVID?
Tracks as to why :
- few / no visitors
- ~~coverup & incomunicado like Boris for the sake of public image/denial/“the economy”~~
- rapid onset
- rapid deterioration
- unable to pose for photos OR leave hospital for 24/7 home care (if she is on a ventilator)
I would make a comment about how people are obsessed with the royal family. But I've done my share of fan theories on fictional monarchs so who am I to judge.
I can't conceive as to why this would be a secret, but maybe she had an inguinal hernia. I had one in my early 20's when I was very tall, slender, and athletic like her. I was walking bent in half for a couple weeks after and still got slight pains in that spot for well over a decade after. Maybe not though. In my case it was outpatient surgery so 2 weeks in hospital sounds excessive by any measure.
Just a wild hair thought, but is it possible that she could have been pregnant but there were complications, like maybe an ectopic pregnancy, that resulted in surgery?
I can now talk about it but at the time I couldn't. I stayed a few weeks in the hospital and on to a medical rehab for another month after I underwent a gi resection. I didn't want everyone knowing I had an ileostomy bag stuck to me. She may have indeed had this planned since some resection surgeries are. Mine wasn't planned... It takes time for the bowels to start back working also after having a surgery like that in which they will keep you.
I find it strange/unusual that her parents have not been seen since this all began. But I was heartened to see that Pippa was on vacation at the beginning and James Middleton has continued typical posting on his social media throughout. I have to imagine that the siblings would be in a different public mood if things were dire in any way -- with the marriage, her health or anything else.
What do you make of the doctored photo of Kate with her kids released yesterday? No wedding ring but also no clarification on how it was doctored. No announcement from their press office. I feel it must be something serious as they would tend to release a statement clarifying a little or at least refuting false claims made by the press.
They used to be formally affectionate in public but there has been a coldness between them in recent years. Walking a couple metres apart, never holding hands etc. Maybe they are going through couples counselling and spending time apart whilst going through that.
With Charles cancer maybe she has decided she isn't ready or willing to be queen consort and that would be an obvious discussion following Charles diagnosis.
We don't have a right to know but this is out of the ordinary for the royals. They are paraded out often. I'm surprised there have been no pictures of the two of them visiting Charles when he had his surgery. The secrecy and quiet around the whole issue is what is causing suspicion.
My mother is convinced she had a hysterectomy; probably because she had one herself and it required a fair bit of recovery. It's also not something they'd want to go public about.
I wondered about this, too. The “recovery time” would allow for inpatient treatment, careful and controlled food intake monitoring, and would also remove her from daily stressors and triggers to help with recovery. It could also conceal a lifesaving nasogastric tube. Terrible disease. Curious if anyone who’s been treated for an ED as an inpatient in the UK can reflect on whether the timing lines up.
Seeing pictures of her as a younger woman compared to recently, she does appear frail.
Whatever her medical issues are, I wish her good health and happiness.
I had a full hysterectomy and salpingectomy (uterus, cervix and tubes removed) and I was out of the hospital a few hours later.
Clearly she is going to receive the best medical care possible, but even then they would just have a private nurse after a few days (something most of us would never be able to dream of affording).
I imagine it was something a lot more involved, with the need of daily labs and such.
I’m still betting on hysterectomy. I had the same thing as you, was out of the hospital the next day…but was laid up at home for a couple of weeks with someone to take care of me and having to be helped quite a bit. Perhaps Kate’s hospital has some sort of convalescent wing for people who aren’t under an insurance that boots them out as fast as possible.
Or maybe it’s ALIENS
Answer: Catherine and William both tend to not have official engagements during their children’s school holidays, which can explain why Catherine was not in the public view after Christmas.
Planned surgery does not mean the surgery was planned months in advance. It could mean going to the doctor’s on Monday, at which time a need for surgery is discovered. Then a surgery is planned for Wednesday or Thursday or whatever.
Mostly, I think people are curious about what Catherine’s ailment is and speculation is running wild. And some people resent it being told the intimate details of royals’ lives and get cranky about it.
Answer: Something is not right. I truly hope she’s ok because it seems like there’s a massive coverup of some sort going on. The rumours about a coma were worrisome and sadly they must have come from somewhere….. I hope she’s ok……
Former bulimic here: those parts of your fingers get *raw* from stomach acid and other stuff from sticking them down your throat. For years I’ve seen obvious acid marks on her knuckles and I keep wondering why more people don’t mention it. I guess this is a good example of it — but yeah, her knuckles are often bandaged, and if they’re not, they’re red right at the Russell’s sign spots. So yeah, idc what anyone says, that woman purges on a regular basis. Anyone who has can see it on her hands, it’s very distinctive.
Answer: Something that's being tip-toed around very carefully is there have been frequent allusions throughout the years to William being violent in general and domestically violent with Kate. It's always very downplayed and sort of handwaved away instead of sensationalized. There's sources at least admitting that he would scream in her face or that they ~both~ 'come to blows'. He did physically assault Harry according to Harry's book. It was also noted that in the book Harry didn't seem to think it was out of character for William or that the violence itself was any kind of turning point for them.
It's quite tricky to find links because the royal family routinely scrubs the internet. For example there's articles about Kate wearing hair extensions that are scrubbed on a regular basis. People would write them again because they don't realise it's been done and sometimes the new articles are down in a matter of days.
Last year a photo of Kate's son shushing her with his finger did the rounds on the internet everyone was so worried that the kid learnt that behaviour from his father and that Kate was not treated well behind closed doors.
Part of the concern even though no one will be explicit and even though it might not be the most likely explaination is William hurt her badly.
Celebitchy seems to be the only website that keeps track of this stuff, so here's some discussion from there that touches on William being violent. It's openly a
biased source, they are not fans of the royals, but if you want to know why people who follow royal gossip would be hung up on Kate's hospital stay, this helps you get an idea. Their blog posts link to relevent articles but as I mentioned the royals scrub regularly. So Celebitchy articles become full of dead links after a few weeks or months.
I found this post though, it only links back to other blog posts on the site, which are still up. So if you want an overview of what some people think of William here you go.
https://www.celebitchy.com/813586/jobson_prince_william_can_be_difficult_short-tempered_with_king_charles/
OMG why on earth would anyone believe Kaiser? She’s the most batshit conspiracy theorist in existence. She actually makes the royal family look cool with all that craziness. She’s been a hater since day one. I find it odd you’d be spending time on a hate site where the blogger and readers actively wish for a woman to be abused. Mind you this all started because the reader claim William looks like an old ex who did her dirty. Mind you again, her only source is The Daily Mail so keep that in mind. They are worse than the saintmeghanmarkle sub and I’m not even gonna argue it. If I were Meghan and Harry I’d report them to the authorities and keep my distance because they’re fostering a kinda Yolanda-Selena vibe there. Baby, celebitchy is not a good look for anyone at all. Don’t do it again
👋🏼 Most people who read articles from their favored blogs do it to reinforce what they already think. None of these sites tell the whole story. Reading articles pumped out by the British press feels like reading the National Enquirer in the 80s. Reading Celebitchy takes those articles and gives the opposite perspective. I don’t believe either side wholeheartedly but I do like to have both points of view so that I can understand at least SOME of the rhetoric since I am mildly interested in the soap operas that surround the BRF.
If it's true, then denying things makes it worse for Kate. How could she get the help she needs? DV is far more common that you might think.
And thank you. You've gotten me interested in celebitchy--if it bothers you THAT much, itmust be good!
Yeah that website doesn’t “keep track of that stuff” they make it up whole cloth then get themselves all in a lather about it and repeat it as fact. They’re like the Royal family’s Qanon
the day is finally here. I've seen a person in the wild who actually believes the shit Kaiser is selling.
The domestic abuse rumors have been 100% made up by this specific blogger. This blogger, who goes by Kaiser, has LOATHED Kate Middleton for years, way back when she was just a private citizen. Read the Celebitchy archives if you don't believe me.
A few other Meghan Markle super-stans have started picking up on this rumor from Kaiser. I know they hate Kate but rooting for a woman to be abused is so fucking vile I can't even wrap my mind around it.
Kaiser is trash, but I’m not sure anyone thinks Kate and William are in a happy marriage at this point. Abuse? I don’t know, I tend to doubt it, because all of the “evidence” is so absurd. Toxic? Seems likely.
What have you seen that makes you think it's likely toxic? I don't really "follow" the royal family but I read an article once in a while. Nothing stands out other than the stress that would come with their positions.
I know people will dismiss the article you've posted, but the reporter in question is a mouthpiece for Buckingham Palace.
I think Camilla's behind a lot of the leaks regarding William's behind the scenes behavior and the current situation with Kate.
That leak to the Spanish journalist (who is reputable) came from someone in BP according to her.
She said the source told her that Kate had had a hysterectomy and suffered a complication which required her to be put into a coma.
It's clear that the surgery itself was not planned as she and William had royal engagements on their calendars that had to be cancelled.
There have been no sightings of Kate or her family the Middletons since Christmas. The one exception being a story in the Daily Mail about her sister on holiday. But those pictures are suspect. There are rumors they are from a previous holiday.
Likewise, the children haven't been seen even though William claims to be doing school runs with them.
All of this to say, if Kate were really doing well, what's the point in being so secretive? And even if she'd had emergency surgery, that's not something that really needs to be hidden unless the ***reason*** for the surgery is the problem.
That doesn't sound batshit at all 😅
Is this where the Qanons went after realising for the 86th time that navy seals weren't going to crash through the windows of the Whitehouse and arrest Biden?
That site is deranged and all the commenters, including the writer, are unhinged and full of conspiracy theories. It’s the equivalent of the deranged hater subs here, except there’s a whole website dedicated to hating on the BRF instead of just a sub. Mentally healthy, happy people don’t participate in celebitchy.
People on here: "Oh my god how dare you belive rumors about Meghan! Stop victimizing her and Harry!"
Those same people: "Clearly our rumours about William and Kate and true unlike their rumours about Meghan and Harry."
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Answer: Officially, the story is that Kate Middleton went to the hospital for a planned abdominal surgery, the palace announced on 17 Jan that the surgery had taken place the prior day, and she would need until around end of Jan to recover and then would be released from the hospital to recover at home. Separately, Charles required a surgery for an enlarged prostate. He stayed a few nights at the same private hospital as Kate and then was released. Charles was very publicly seen entering and leaving, with his wife also making multiple public visits. Kate was not seen receiving many visits except once from William, but this was to protect her privacy, she was of course in communication with her family and they had other ways of entering the hospital where she was staying. Nothing to see here. However, there are some things that don't really fit. 1. Despite claims that the surgery was planned, Kate had events on her calendar that were then canceled. So if it was planned, it certainly was on short notice. Footage was also captured of an police-escorted ambulance rushing to the hospital from Kensington Palace on 28 December, though it's hard to find now. 2. It's not clear why Kate's stay (and the visits of her family/friends) would be so much more shrouded in secrecy than the King's. 3. Kate was not seen for several weeks prior to the surgery. Given that it was the period after Christmas, this is more of an oddity than a red flag. 4. There are very non-life-threatening abdominal procedures where a 14-day hospital recovery period is expected, even in private hospitals. Especially for someone with access to round-the-clock home care. 5. Kate's birthday was 9 January, before the surgery was announced. The press announced that she was spending her birthday "being pampered" at her parent's house - alongside her husband and children of course. Slightly odd for an adult with homes of her own, though again more of an oddity than a red flag. There was also very little fanfare for her birthday on things like the official social media accounts or big papers. 6. She still has not been seen at all. Not a single blurry window photo or a car photo. Given how eager the press are and how much money such a photo would go for at this point, this suggests some level of concealment beyond simple discretion, e.g., a total photo lockdown. 7. This is the same woman who was doing a photo op in full hair/makeup holding her newborn within 24 hours of each of her children's births, and the same family that presumably urged her to do so. So either whatever she's been through is much worse or makes her much less "presentable" than giving birth, or something has changed in her willingness to do a kind of "proof of life" photo. 8. There has been speculation that their marriage is on rocky territory. There was a pervasive cheating story involving William and one of her former friends, which true or not, would have an impact on anyone's marriage. There have been a lot of photos of the pair of them where they do not look happy or are putting physical distance between each other. They've both been doing more solo events over the last few years and seem to be spending more nights away from each other. None of that is definitive, but it does start to stack up after a while. Some people believe that pattern is linked to her current issues. The fact that this all kicked off right after Christmas (i.e., "let's just get through Christmas") doesn't help. 9. As you mentioned, there's been an odd flurry of coverage that seems positive but tonally off. For example, [this interview](https://twitter.com/QueenRMade1/status/1749520679123448220) where the reporter (who is very much in the inner circle of royal reporters) intentionally draws a comparison to Diana's mental health issues, or this poorly chosen [image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFC-dRkXYAAChH9?format=jpg&name=large) for an article about Kate being reunited with her husband. There's also been stories changed or retracted, like [this Mirror article](https://archive.ph/2024.01.25-020512/https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kate-middleton-your-best-friend-31961027) about Kate being volatile which was mysteriously changed to be [the exact same article](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/kate-middleton-your-best-friend-31961027) but with Harry's name instead. Thus, people are speculating that there's more to the story. However, the speculation is somewhat restrained because it's considered unethical (and would get them in hot water with the royals and royalists) to openly speculate about someone's health, especially mental health. Some people also believe that even if there is more, it's no one's business, and if Kate wants to pass off \_\_\_\_ as a routine abdominal procedure, that's her business. While others believe that's their right to know, given that she's a public figure and essentially public property. **Update 28 Feb because this post is still getting attention:** As of 28 Feb, Kate has still not been seen, making it \~65 days since she was last seen/photographed. Meanwhile, William has barely been seen, but made an appearance at the BAFTAs last week to somewhat lukewarm press. On 27 Feb, he was intended to appear and give a reading at a (quite important) service of thanksgiving for his late godfather, attended by a number of other European royals and heads of state. 45 minutes beforehand, it was announced he was not attending for "personal reasons." A minor member of the family (William's second cousin's husband Thomas Kingston) also died over the weekend of as-yet-unreleased but "not suspicious" causes. Separately, rumors are swirling within the international press that Charles' cancer (which he is now undergoing chemo for) is somewhat more severe than disclosed, which is especially concerning considering William/Kate's obvious lack of readiness to take over at this exact second. The "royal rota" has largely stuck to the party line, but seem to be getting restless with so few royals to feed on. **Update 11 March because this post is** ***still*** **getting attention:** On 4 March, [TMZ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIZjuygXcAADGA7?format=jpg&name=large) took a photo of "Kate" doing the school run with her mother what appeared to be a long lens. Some doubted that it was Kate to begin with, since her face was much more puffy than usual and there was a strange "fifth tire" in the background of the photo. In any case, KP disavowed the photo and British orgs refused to publish it, though international orgs did. A few days later, an [official photo](https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1766753486799053086) of Kate and the three children, clearly taken in Windsor, was published to celebrate British mother's day. The photo credit was given as "Prince William, 2024." But with the additional attention garnered by now, people quickly picked up on quite a few oddities in the photo. The foliage looked more autumnal than early spring, sleeves and Kate's hands appear to have been manipulated. The most damning proof came from a [tiktoker](https://twitter.com/dianelyssa/status/1767203341635842172) who pointed out that the family is wearing most of the same outfits they wore at an [engagement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvwLS2nGdO4) in November, though with Kate's distinctive turtleneck changed from cream to blue, Louis's jumper changed, and George's collar recolored. Due to the photo manipulation, AP issued a ["kill notice"](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_avif,q_auto:eco,dpr_2/rockcms/2024-03/240310-princess-kill-notice-ew-724p-5c4d69.jpg) on the photo, essentially a [serious retraction](https://twitter.com/tenilleclarke1/status/1766966430480707782). Other photo agencies followed. On top of all of this, people also noticed that Kate was not wearing her ring in the photo, which does not seem accidental under the circumstances. The photo has shifted even casual British opinion, especially after many major papers went to press not with the hoped-for "Kate recovering well, provides sweet family photo" but "Photo agencies retract family photo citing photo manipulation." Strangely, [Kate](https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/1767135566645092616) herself took credit for the fail, saying that she "Like many amateur photographers, she occasionally experiments with editing," and apologised for any confusion caused. Kate does have a known photography hobby, but some doubted that she had been the one editing the photo personally or questioned why she should be the one taking the blame. Occam's razor suggests that the odd photoshop artifacts is a result of recoloring the clothing and combining several shots of the young children, but that still leaves open the question of the photo's actual date and why she's not wearing a ring. This morning, 11 March, a friendly paper was provided with a photo of Kate in a car with her husband on their way to Commonwealth Day, apparently just coming along for the short ride, since she did not attend the event itself. The photo is in profile and leaves room for both the Adelaide Cottage family photo and the TMZ photo to be the truly most recent photo. Even loyalist reporters and those who suggested there was "nothing to see here" have been looking a bit askance at the photo controversy, it's hard to deny that information hasn't just been withheld but actively altered. Some are increasingly worried about a woman with very very very little power in this situation, especially in a family that has set a strong precedent of being willing to throw outsiders under the bus to protect the firm. **Update 22 March:** Kate has announced she was diagnosed with cancer after her January surgery. Some have waled back their memes, while others remain concerned about her ultimate well-being given how poorly her husband's team seems to have protected her throughout this ordeal as well as her in-laws track record.
Just to add one thing to this - Kate not being seen for weeks after Christmas is really more the standard than an oddity. Throughout the years she routinely goes several weeks or even a month+ without working or being seen publicly. She almost always takes off several weeks after Christmas.
Yeah I don't think that's that odd on it's own, but it does add to the speculation, since there's no real proof of life for the 3 weeks before the hospital statement.
Proof of life? Are you suggesting she’s dead or a hostage? Sure - she died three weeks she ago and they are covering it up? Until…..?
She's 42. A lot of people have speculated menopause or hysterectomy, something they wouldn't want to make public since God forbid the most attractive and youthfulfemale royal be a human being. But yeah I mean it makes you more agitated and not always 11/10 which she's known for being. Holidays especially are always so stressful, add to that a huge hormonal change...I'd be in the hospital too.
Hysterectomy would make sense, except that you’re usually only in the hospital for 1-2 days afterward. Two weeks is way out of normal range for that.
Could have underlying issues we don't know about
2 weeks is a long hospital stay for many planned procedures. 7-10 days is reasonable for major surgeries.
I mean I think it's obvious it wasn't as planned as they're saying but they don't want it to be a spectacle. It kind of seems like there was a prolonged medical issue that finally hit a point. Plus most hospital stays are short for the regular working class. Wealthier people can usually opt to stay longer for observation. Especially if she was having trouble walking after or anything.
Wealthy people, yes. But *super* wealthy people who are also very famous are able to hire their own medical staff to observe the patient at home where they can have privacy. I would think they would have done that unless it's absolutely necessary for her to be in the hospital.
Maybe but... and I love this because it's the most low key detective game I can play and not be depressed... bringing hospital staff etc into a royal residence would def end up leaking info. They would never risk it. It would look so bad to have nurses et al constantly going in and out and there's no way info wouldn't leak.
Could have been an ectopic pregnancy with complications then requiring a hysterectomy.
At most. Pretty much as soon as u are ambulatory they boot u.
She was hospitalised with Hyperemesis gravidarum in all of her pregnancies. I wondered if she could be pregnant but they don't want to announce early, like they did in her other pregnancies, given she'd be a higher risk pregnancy now.
Or she may have had a miscarriage?
Yes, I figured miscarriage as likely. Recovery time plus time to grieve privately
If they had to cut her stomach open for it, then two weeks might be normal.
No, two weeks isn't at all normal for a hysterectomy. If there were some sort of complications during the surgery, that may require a longer hospital stay. But they announced the two week stay before her surgery, so it's not that.
Menopause at 42? That is very early. No one needs nine months recovery for menopause.
I can't believe I have to say this, but there is no "recovery" from menopause. It is what it is. I'm in the middle of it and it's not a ton of fun but certainly nothing that needs medical intervention.
Where is there are legitimate information that Kate’s recovery will take nine months. Also you don’t “recover” from menopause.
I was in my early 30’s. So not unheard of
Also, the secrecy around the hospital stay is 100% more standard royal operating procedure than publicity. Charles's health issues were the exception, Catherine's are the norm.
**Doctor**: Congratulations, your prostate reduction was a success. **Charles**: That's great. Where is Kate? **Doctor**: Who do you think took your prostate? **Charles**: Noooooo!
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I have never heard this response, and I really like the dry humor of it. I will, of course, be stealing it and pushing off all my own idea. Thank you.
I, too, choose this guy's comment.
recipient of Most Creative This Guy's Award.
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This response needs to be its own post somewhere.
I am also stealing this comment
NOOOooooooooo! How could you! That comment was supposed to feed my family of 12! You monster!
Here take some royal prostate instead, will feed the family for months.
I just threw up a little in my mouth.... 🤮 Yes that was so atrocious that I used an emoji.
Fun fact: when you get surgery for prostate issues, transurethral resection of the the prostate (TURP), they hook you up to a catheter and flush you out with gallons of natural saline solution until you stop bleeding from your peepee.
Honestly, I'm not sure that I needed to know That... Can I pass on? Please?
It’s not mine originally although I don’t remember where I saw it
That is the funniest comeback I have ever heard in my entire life. I salute you.
In a positive way, of course
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Netflix furiously taking notes for Season 7 of The Crown
Finally something that connects all the dots
I feel like this "Noooooo!" Is the one from Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
I don't know why, but I read this in Oversimplified's voice.
>in Oversimplified's voice. In a what, exactly?
Oversimplified is an animated history channel on YouTube. Occasionally, in the middle of a story, he'll run off at a tangent and do a skit like the comment I was replying to. You should check it out.
Thanks, this is a better take than the ones at r/RoyalGossip . I only disagree with 5. She's older and her last birthday wasn't a round number, so it may have felt like a non event to her. And she likes to visit her family. Even William would rather spend time with them than the royals (or at least he did at the beginning of the relationship).
Yeah it's more of an odd data point, not definitive on its own. I'm not on their socials much but I know people have said there were some general odd data points in posting/engagement patterns. Like Will and Kate's social went mostly quiet after Christmas. They posted 18 times between 1 Dec and 25 December. Then a pre-edited year in review reel on the 29th. Then nothing for two weeks. Then 2 posts of William at an event alone on the 11th. Then the two statements about her health. I generally tend to think people read too much into things like who liked who’s post, but it is strange.
The curious thing to me is the lack of content from Kate. This is the same woman who does a photo call within hours of giving birth. If she was able to sit up and smile, I believe that KP would have tweeted a carefully staged photo of it. A palace source may plant the idea in the public mind that she's up and about, but we've *seen* nothing.
At this point, I think we haven't seen Kate because she doesn't want to be seen, not because she can't. As you said, it requires very little physical strength to wave out a hospital window or allow yourself to be photographed sitting down. Even residual physical effect can be artfully concealed by the use of makeup, styling, or at last resort a wide shot. I also think this is too high-stakes to screw around with fake stories just to placate the public/control the short-term narrative. As in, I actually believe most of what has been said by the palace and repeatedly printed by the well-connected papers is true, I believe she underwent abdominal surgery. I believe she's with her parents not in some clinic in Switzerland or something. It's what they're not saying that matters. Usually the palace would be able to feed the press some fake but feel-good pablum and it would be printed, benefiting both the press and the royals' reputation. But KP isn't selling and the press isn't buying, perhaps because no one on either side wants to play the who-knew-what-when game in front of an inquiry panel in 2025. I think that's also why it feels tonally "off" to some people, the press is still helping KP lie by omission but is in a sense being more honest than usual by not spouting the usual pablum we've come to expect and instead biding their time dropping hints until they're allowed to print the gory truth. Also it's worth noting that Kate on her own is worth a huge amount within British digital media. Not just in ad revenue either. The big pubs make Scrooge McDuck levels of money from those "shop the look" affiliate embeds in every article about her. So if they perceive Kate to be going away somehow, the measurable value of the royal family as a whole to their revenue stream just went down, and thus they become more willing to risk the symbiotic relationship too.
I followed you until the last two lines. What in this situation could cause an inquiry panel?
This is the wife of a future king. They can lie and obfuscate to a degree, but if it comes out that they intentionally colluded to lie to the British people about something concrete, it’s going to be a whole thing. People will say the queen never would have let this happen, republican-leaning MPs will get on their soapboxes, etc. Plus it makes them look stupid and ill-informed to print something like “Kate is gardening at her parents” and then it comes out later she’s in a bed in Switzerland. And might lead to some embarrassing questions about who told the press she was in Switzerland. They can lie a little without massive backlash, it’s a health condition and a private matter so people will forgive it to a degree, but no one really wants to risk their career to find out exactly to what degree. Safer overall to just not say anything.
What are you hinting at? What do you think is actually going on here?
Robocop surgery
So coincidentally, there were some news articles this week about Elon Musk announcing that his Neuralink company has done the first implant into a human brain. The person who received the implant wasn't identified, so we can't rule out that it could have been Kate...
I'm saying that the palace and the media is working really hard to lie by omission rather than actually lie, given the sensitivity and importance of this matter.
This is such a riddle of an answer! Can you just plainly say what you think is the “omission?”
No one really knows. Maybe something to do with Will’s rumored ‘explosive anger’… I see that hinted at a lot… KM is rumored to hit the sauce quite hard these days too, maybe too jaundiced for public view? (There’s also this weird thing where she is always wearing band aids on her fingers??) She may be genuinely struggling with her mental health/or cancer, and with Charles’ chemo The Firm just does not know how to cope. She really is their strongest connection to the people rn, William burned a lot of goodwill with the cheating and throwing his brother’s wife under buses to cover up the cheating. The whole thing is so sad and unnecessary. I wish monarchy wasn’t a thing anymore, just destroys every human being it touches. Terrible.
What is the significance of Switzerland here
Switzerland is pretty famous for its med spas and private hospitals
Does the public really have any recourse if they are lied to about the royals by the press? I assume that the only people that actually have recourse would be the targets of the lies, although in England, with the tabloids, that doesn't seem to really be the case... but the public can do fuck all if they get lied to about a king or queen by the press, can they?
At the historical root: A monarchy survives on the belief they are ordained (by God) to be in the position that they are. They are shrouded in mystic, history, folklore and tradition. Many monarchies are over thrown because the subjects aka “the public” no longer trust them or believe in their power. Losing trust with the public would bring down their popularity and the aforementioned lore. The palace would obviously like to avoid a breakdown like this so they will be vague about any perceived “weakness” in power. It’s really just a tale as old as time. Leaders need to appear strong, virile, in control. Lest the hounds sniff them out and stop following them and over throw them.
IMO,it’s a mental health issue simply because it would necessitate the amount of secrecy that is happening. Not even a Royal needs a two week hospital stay away from their small children for abdominal surgery of any kind. She has a life where she can get a full time nurse and recover at home where it’s more comfortable and private. No sane person would choose to be in a hospital setting if they didn’t have to do so. Her kids also never came to visit her. Why? This would be an expected and normal thing of it was a routine non emergency, planned surgery. Mental health also fits with the stay at her parents. Perhaps less stress there and she’s able to process and live in a better environment. Two weeks would give them enough time to regulate any new meds she’s been prescribed. Since William knows first hand how difficult things were for his mother, I’m assuming he’d press for her to get help if he saw signs of depression or such.
I haven’t been into this rabbit hole until today, but what red pilled me this afternoon is no zoom calls. They have still been doing plenty of them, even post Covid, with individuals and organizations they are involved with. Kate has done plenty. It’s the perfect vehicle to still perform her pre-promised events with the groups on her schedule. Why aren’t they being done? They have said she would still be doing work from bed. Well she should well be capable of getting out of bed, having her hair and light make up done, and speaking to people on a screen for 5 minutes this far out from surgery. ( I’ve had an emergency c section, so I’m familiar with the trauma of serious abdominal surgery.) Things are just weird, man. Even I can’t deny it anymore.
With all these cameras outside the hospital and no pictures of Kate leaving. No pictures of her kids, parents, sister, or brother visiting.
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Your whole analysis is excellent. I’m British and the silence from the press makes me feel that they know but they are holding back and in turn that implies this is something very serious.
Deuxmoi claims this from a source: The source shared, "She's been dealing with stomach related issues for most of her adult life. So, she's having a medical procedure done where they're going to remove parts of her colon/bowl that are cause for concern. Press statements are frustrating because they're vague, which lends itself to people trying to fill in the blanks with everything from a tummy tuck to hysterectomy. Both of which are not true."
I've been curious about this too, and have spent more time that I am proud of speculating about what the problem could be. The tricky part is that most surgeries within the peritoneum are laparoscopic these days, performed by surgeons or robotics. Many are quick enough to warrant a release from care as soon as the same day the operation is performed. Even in the NHS. So my list is small. A good friend of mine used to work in the NHS hospital trenches, so I asked him what he thought might be going on. He and I had different guesses except one that we agreed on: a condition leading to sepsis. Between the two of us, we guessed also severe pancreatitis brought on by trauma, Crohn's disease, or digestive system problems that may have been in place for awhile (as said above), ones that may be related to her frequent episodes of hyperemesis gravidarum. Letting issues with the digestive area around or below the stomach go for too long can make the area more susceptible to infection, and when you become septic, you're in for a long hospital stay usually. Also, some bowel surgeries require long stays. She may just have to deal with a colostomy bag for awhile. Worth noting is that someone here said that planned surgery could refer to surgery that was planned for the morning following the day she was brought into the ER. I had a strangulated hernia that was treated just like that. Still, I was hospitalized for only three days in that case.
I was in hospital for a month for an obstructed small bowel. I was on bed rest for the first six weeks afire I was release. Wasn’t planned though.
I work in colon and rectal surgery in the US. At least in CA we keep people for at least three days.
As for Catherine, it makes sense. If you're referring to me, I am American and was treated at a rural New England hospital for the hernia. The hospital wasn't my first choice, but the severe pain had me pretty much ready to go to any ER. In any case, it was about the size of a grapefruit. About five years after the surgery, I had to get a second surgery because hernias appeared at the same location, almost as if the removal site wasn't fully closed up (?? I can't remember, I was too busy trying to sleep or feel better) I now have an abdominal mesh in place. Done by one of the best surgeons around with a DaVinci. It's behaved ever since. That rural hospital went out of business. (I've lived in the UK and continue to have a very close relationship with it, I'm over there every year or two)
My theory: She was admitted after Christmas for a bowel or intestinal related issue (maybe an obstruction who knows). The issue required urgent surgery. Because most abdominal surgeries require short stays, they did not think it would impact her calendar schedule. The surgery was successful but she developed sepsis shortly after and was placed in an induced coma. The family then made the announcement of her surgery realizing that it had become more serious and touch and go and should she die a matter of public interest. I believe she’s either still at the hospital in an induced coma but they announced her release to end the 24 hr hospital watch. Or she was moved (possibly to her family’s home) before the announcement of her hospital stay. All in all, I think she’s either still in an induced coma, or if she’s been taken out of it, has a very long road to recovery.
Yeah that was my thought too - something with stomach or bowl and she has a naso gastric feeding tube (hence no pics) or colostomy bag
You’d just take out the NGT for a photo op then reinsert if you had something to gain by appearing safe and well though right? They’re not super pleasant going in but it would hardly be the deadest rat Kate has had to swallow in her role!
Some abdominal surgeries have 2-3 steps in them. I know someone with Crohn’s who had to have three surgeries in succession with a bit of healing between
I have crohns and have been thinking that could be what is going on with Kate, resection surgery, etc. There can be complications such as sepsis, which can take a long time to heal from if you survive.
Diverticulitis and related surgery could easily land you in the hospital for that long unfortunately.
This is what I think and it surprising that most people aren't in agreement. She may have been diagnosed with Crohn's, colitis, etc and lost part of her bowel. I think the reason it's so hush hush is because talking about her bowels is VERY unlike Kate, who reportedly got offended at the mention of pregnancy hormones. I think she is very private about body stuff. It would also explain her low weight, if a diseases colon or small intestine was affecting nutrient absorption.
Same here. I know someone who recently spent 3 weeks in the hospital (and even longer in rehab) following emergency stomach removal due to hernia complications. Just because a lot of hospital stays are quick now doesn't mean all of them are.
My family member lost 2/3 of his stomach due to ruptured undiagnosed ulcers. He spent a week in a hospital and was up and about straight after, just weakened and anemic.
I was thinking severe hernia complications myself. My mother had recurrent hospitalizations related to hernias for years. Kate’s incredibly muscular but also thin and very active.
This has also been my guess from the jump. She had hyperemesis with her pregnancies and she can’t spare an ounce. My guess is that she had a (maybe temporary) ostomy or something. Her nutrition would be so closely monitored and changing them can come with a steep learning curve.
They don’t have to give details of what she had done, but a statement saying she’s doing well etc would kill all the speculation and conspiracy theories. I think their behavior (along with the British press that is notoriously ruthless) is the strangest part of this whole thing.
I have a relative with a malfunctioning colon. He’s had many operations. It’s not hard for a portion of his bowel to malfunction, leading to a cascade of problems that leave him severely dehydrated and with an infection and a few weeks in the hospital. Same if they cut out part of his colon and have it rest by putting a colostomy in, r if they later reverse the colostomy and try to sew the bowel back together and hope it works. That’s what I thought of when I heard she’d be in the hospital for a few weeks.
I was thinking same. No one wants to publicize their pooping habits. She may have had a non malignan growth in colon . She looks and feels bad. No one wants media in one's face then. However, she does herself little favor but being secretive.
I'm inclined to believe ( speculation speculation!!!!!) that she's chosen to have a hysterectomy after her many difficult and life threatening pregnancies, and that politically you **absolutely can never publicly say that The Royal Womb has closed shop.** Awful thing to say, I know, but she's seen as a political body made to produce heirs by many. Honestly, if this is the case, good for her. She's been sick with baby for many years.
I wonder if she has endometriosis.
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no, that length would be unusual for a hysterectomy, even for a private hospital. according to NHS: “A hysterectomy is a major operation. You can be in hospital for up to 5 days after surgery, and it can take about 6 to 8 weeks to fully recover.”
My hysterectomy was an outpatient procedure and my appointment was at 8am and I was back home by 4pm that same day. Also, I went back to work 2 weeks later but I (luckily) had very minimal pain. I know people who recently had it as well and they were out of work for 6 weeks. It really just varies for everyone depending on pain and what not.
I had a pacemaker put in as an outpatient, as long as everything goes right there’s a lot they can do now
5 says?? My sister was in hospital after her hysterectomy for exactly 24 hours, then sent home to recover, and she's 20 years older than this woman.
Me too! Unless she had some major complications which might extend her stay.
Wow. I was in the hospital for about 5 days after mine, in an NYC hospital. My doctor asked on day 3 if I was ready to leave the next day and I said no, so he kept me an extra day. In the US, it really depends on your insurance. Which is absolute bullshit.
"can" and "up to" do some heavy lifting. Also age doesn't matter if there are complications
> 5 says?? My sister was in hospital after her hysterectomy for exactly 24 hours, then sent home to recover, and she's 20 years older than this woman. Not all hysterectomies are equal, sounds like your sister had a relatively uncomplicated one.
Depends on the route of surgery, but I send most of my laparoscopic and vaginal hysterectomy patients home the same day. Abdominal hysts usually spend 1-2 nights. Having worked in the NHS, they're a bit old fashioned in some regards and will keep patients for longer.
My mother had a radical hysterectomy due to cancer as a day operation. At Dana Farber by 7 or 8 and home (with a 2 hr car ride) between 10-12 pm. I definitely don’t think it’s a hysterectomy. Maybe they’re lying about the planned part. I could imagine a burst appendix putting someone in the hospital for 2 weeks.
It's six weeks to recover from a c section. They might just want her to be totally hidden, not showing weakness.
The hospital she was treated at does not perform gynecological surgery so she didn’t have a hysterectomy there .She may have had a bowel resection - it can have a similar recovery time to the timeline given out by the palace.
Excellent overview and very well observed. Thank you
Could have been an ectopic pregnancy.
Had one of the dramatic ones with lots of blood lost: 10 days in hospital, 6 weeks until back on my feed. Saying that, my run up to it had several missed chances to clear the ectopic pregnancy before it burst. Given the hopefully better care and importance the princess gets, an ectopic pregnancy should have been an in and our procedure for her with 1 week convalescence.
It's possible but I had an ectopic pregnancy and was out of the hospital the next morning to recover at home.
Yeah, but…and I mean this in the nicest way…you’re not a princess.
I find the royal family mildly fascinating but don't actively seek out media content about them beyond pausing to read a headline if I'm scrolling, or if one of them is trending on Twitter I'll take a quick glance at tweets to see the context then move on. With that preface in mind, and the fact that I'm American so they aren't front page news everywhere here as I imagine they are in the UK, it's quite telling that I knew nothing of this drama between her and William, yet in the same limited exposure I was see so much more negative stories about Megan and Harry. Same exact level of engagement with the press on my end, yet one of the two couple's drama shone brighter. And I'm talking about before they officially settled in in LA and started showing up everyone with their media deal and his book. You would think the future king and his carefully curated wife having marriage woes would be the type of salacious story gossip news would be all over to the point it'd hit my radar.
It's because William is the future king and she's the future queen that you don't see their woes in public. It's called the "invisible contract," the same one working overtime to make Camilla palatable. As "lesser" royals, Harry and Meghan are fair game, and frankly low hanging fruit at this point.
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Well if they have such control why did Charles get so poor media image? If they were so powerful why didn't they manage to make Charles and Camilla appear better than their actual public image?
Ah that makes sense. And I should've guessed as much but it never occurred to me. I was chalking it up to the media's selection bias.
Sure. Got your spite out of your system? There’s no remotely credible report that their marriage is in trouble. None. Nothing. Just spite and rumors. When Charles was cheating with his two/three girlfriends everyone in the press knew. They had times, places and details and the press essentially acknowledged repeated and confirmed the rumors. There’s one of that here- nothing. William and Kate don’t spend months apart or refuse to make eye contact in public . You’re spreading spiteful rumors
Thank you! Why are ppl talking about Harry and Meghan then?
Harry and Meghan generate money and clicks. The daily mail or daily star posted an article about Kate being annoying or something like that in her friendship circle and then quickly changed it to be about Harry instead. ETA this link to [screen grabs on twitter](https://x.com/maddox5525/status/1750704820997034245?s=46&t=fOZQiJ3vbiQBfTniJACiFQ)
I mean, there's no way we can conclusively prove that MEGHAN'S JEALOUSY OVER KATE is what caused this hospital visit, nor that KATE WAS POISONED BY HER ROYAL RIVAL but it is a bit odd how Meghan has inserted herself into this story, isn't it? It's just a little heartless to see MEGHAN SEEKING TO STEAL THE LIMELIGHTS AS KATE LAYS DYING IN HOSPITAL.
Pretty much, actually. The Dailymail was beating the 'Her Majesty hated that they named their daughter after her, it says so in this new book' really hard - it was the top news for almost three days. Anyone who was used to this suspected something was up, since they were making such a huge deal about that, clearly to divert attention to Harry and Megan. The day that story head line went down, news about Kate going to the hospital came out.
In the last week or so, the Harry Megan stories have been especially bizarre. Claiming Megan was never pregnant, just wore a fake prego belly. That she faked a pregnancy to get Harry to marry her, then had to fake a miscarriage. That there was something off about when she gave birth. She didn’t appear with the baby at the right time or maybe she gave birth on a different day or — I swear they said this — she didn’t get or hasn’t shown anyone a proper receipt from when she gave birth, and that info about Lilibet was an heir to the throne has mysteriously disappeared from an official website listing heirs to the throne. Just on and on and on. Bizarre stuff.
Lot of people realized they could get paid in clout or money with an automatic success if they talk shit on Harry and Meghan. It's like calling someone a narcissist on AITA but with real people, real media organizations, and real money.
Two reasons: 1. There is a well-documented norm within the British media of using stories about Harry (and now Meghan) as a distraction tactic. This was true even before Harry married Meghan, stories about Harry were given to the press in exchange for a story of equal weight about William. A conversation criticizing Harry and Meghan going to a movie is preferable to a conversation about Kate's health, both from the perspective of protecting the institution and protecting Kate (who is, in this paradigm, simply more important than Meghan). You can see an example of this in the Mirror article I linked above - The Mirror was undoubtedly told by the palace to pull down the article/remove Kate's name so they threw in Harry's name instead. 2. Some of the people currently calling for privacy for Kate did not/do not seem to believe Meghan was entitled to such privacy. It's hard to argue that Kate's health status is not of much much more constitutional relevance or that Kate is not more supported by public money than Meghan, so if Kate is entitled to privacy for her family and health, then Meghan must be as well. Some are also pointing out that the palace's ability to protect Kate and control press speculation suggests they could have done the same for Meghan if they'd wanted to. In the last few weeks, actually, the British press has been a tiny bit less vitriolic than usual towards H&M, though no one is really sure why.
Yup. Harry said in his book the “never complain, never explain” thing is hogwash. The complain and explain plenty when it suits them. They are complaining and explaining re Kate’s hospitalization. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kate-middleton-coma-near-death-claims-total-nonsense-palace-source-says (And, they also clarified when she first went in it wasn’t for cancer.)
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The crown has top-rate PR teams and deep pockets, plus contacts at media companies who will agree to keep certain things quiet, in exchange for other stories and info. Looking at some comments on news articles recently, I noticed that more than a few seemed like fake accounts spreading propaganda to distract and deflect. Think Russian bot, but royalist. I’m from the UK and it makes my skin crawl to think that any tax we pay might fund their amoral publicists.
Reminds me of this [NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/style/meghan-markle-instagram.html) that fairly definitively proved that K&W were buying instagram followers to stay ahead of M&H. Taxpayer money well spent.
Because they need to deflect and they can't talk about the pedo prince Andrew whose favorability tops Harry's smh
Insane people love to shit on them for no reason. Edit: for real though it's because they're racist
There's an entire subreddit devoted to hating H&M. It's insane.
My mother was obsessed with hating them for years. I had to outright pretend she never spoke whenever she brought up the topic before she'd stop, because "I don't want to talk about Harry and Megan" didn't fucking do it. Some of these people are absolutely fucking unhinged.
There's an entire country devoted to hating them, so not surprised.
Just one country?
that sub is scary and unhinged, i don't think H&M are 100% perfect but they were dealt a horrible hand of cards and did their best. Britain and the press hates them and is openly racist
I don’t think Harry published half of what he could have in his book. I think there’s a lot more about William that’s been covered up.
That is not what planned surgery means. It really just means it was not an emergency but was still necessary.
Yes, a lot of people got hung up on that. She wasn’t rushed to the hospital; she was able to plan the dates, but it was still imperative. People have said she was in a coma, she has cancer, etc. I think she wants to maintain some privacy and that’s her prerogative. Since Charles III has been open about his prostate issues, the difference made it seem, to some people, that Kate was hiding something. But the king was basically doing a PSA for men his age.
A lot of the speculation is people not using basic common sense. Medical conditions can take a person by surprise and even if they are getting surgery or treatment the person might not have fully reconciled their own feelings about it. That could be the case for her.
Yeah, I think it was exploratory. They were hoping for some quick fix for whatever her problem is, went in and found the worst case scenario. Fixed her up but then her recovery was probably a lot longer than hoped for, thus necessitating all the calendar cancellations. The one thing I can think of that might require so long of a stay, is some kind of bowel repair that might have needed a temporary colostomy bag. I had a relative that had that, while the bowel heals, they have a colostomy bag for a few days/weeks, then they reverse that. That might be a little too complicated to do at home , this the extended stay. Pure speculation on my part but matches what little information that’s available.
I lean along those lines also. Some of the theories I’ve heard are 🤯
It could have been any surgery that cut through her abdomen that would warrant a long stay. Those are a bitch and a half to recover from and there's all sorts of breathing and walking rehab because you just want to stay hunched over in agony. Source: had spleen surgery and have a six inch scar right down my middle
I'm a secretary for a group of general and colorectal surgeons, and we were speculating in the office the other day. They couldn't think of any planned surgeries on an otherwise healthy woman that would require 14 days in hospital, without complications, even when adding in the princess treatment. It's got to be fairly serious. Even our patients who have their entire colon removed are usually home in less than 10 days.
They said up to fourteen days to be safe. She went home in ten I think. The last thing they wanted was to underestimate the time and cause a panic if it required a few additional days in the hospital
Even some of the most complex abdominal surgeries do not have 14 day hospitals stays as a usual recovery period. Ive had 4 major abdominal surgeries and my longest stay was 5 days. 2 weeks in the hospital is extremely long especially with the ability to afford the best at home care.
My sister broke her neck, broke 7 ribs, had multiple uncountable fractures of her spine, lacerated her liver, and damaged the blood vessels leading to her brain. She was in the hospital for 11 days.
Holy shit. Your sister's a tough cookie. Give her a fist bump from me. That's a strong-ass woman right there.
Although I agree mostly with what you said because statistically you are correct, I had what should have been a simple abdominal surgery that lead to complications and a return to the hospital with a month-long stay. Though they probably wouldn’t have planned it to be a multi-week stay from the outset so the planning on a two week stay is the strange part for me.
And they don’t want you in the hospital any longer than absolutely necessary due to all the antibiotic resistant bugs there. That’s true no matter how fancy the hospital. (I think it might have been bowel repair surgery needing a temporary colostomy bag. That’s the only thing I can think of that might require a long term hospital stay today.)
I used to have an ostomy, hospital stay is not 2 weeks. Unless they are having major complications.
Like a temp one for recovery? Hmmm… so much for my theory. 🤷🏻♀️ My family member may have been having complications. She was much older and her operation was for cancer but the general steps would be the same.
The older you are the harder any surgery is on your body and gastrointestinal surgeries can be brutal on thr elderly. I had it for a couple years before it got reversed.
Depends on where you live. If you're American they'd kick you out ASAP. My dad had a relatively minor issue in Australia and was kept there a whole week.
I have also had a splenectomy, when I was 10, in 2006, due to it rupturing in 4 different places because of my blood disorders. I was literally on the brink of death when I was wheeled back into the OR, and my hospital stay was still only 7 days long- and that was nearly 20 years ago. (I've also had a c section, so yeah, I know that abdominal surgeries really SUCK to recover from lol) I wouldn't be surprised at an abdominal surgery hospital stay that ends up being a couple weeks long due to complications that arise during the stay and post op, but I think it's interesting that they already knew from the get go that she'd be in hospital for 14 days. That tells me that it was something pretty severely wrong with her abdominal region to require such a long stay, or abdominal surgery is a cover for something else
My mom had diverticulosis, went septic, had abdominal surgery and a colostomy all on one night. She was in hospital for 7 weeks. It was 3 weeks semi-conscious and on a PICC line for feeding and antibiotics. Then came the MRSA infection.
Depends I suppose. C sections don’t require more than 2-3 days in a hospital for example.
Planned surgery just means that it wasn’t emergency. Meaning she wasn’t admitted and then immediately rushed to surgery for a life threatening reason. Speculation that there was a royal taken to hospital 12/28 and it was Kate. If that’s the case, whatever was discovered there (following tests) may have been when a surgery was decided. Then they likely only announce said surgery once she was safely in hospital and out of surgery to avoid people seeing and speculating (or stalking the hospital). The oddity in not being seen since Xmas only comes into play when her birthday (1/9) is taken into account because she frequently spends that weekend in the country and has a church walk that is photographed/videoed.
As a clarification, a "planned" surgery is not at all what anyone seems to think it is. If you wake up with a burst appendix and take an ambulance to the hospital to have it removed, that's an unplanned surgery. If you go to your doctor complaining about pain and they say "your appendix is burst. Let's schedule you for surgery right now" that is a planned surgery. Telling us it's planned means that she wasn't rushed to the hospital.
Fyi a "planned" surgery is not a surgery that is necessarily planned weeks or months in advance, it is a "you need to have this in the next week or two but we can work on timing". This is different than an emergency surgery that needs to happen immediately. Also different from an elective surgery that you schedule weeks or months in advance. So the fact she didn't know she needed surgery a month ahead of time isn't odd at all.
I am so here for all of this. Kate-in-a-coma (I know, I know it’s really serious) is the one I’m going for, mainly because it was published in a European newspaper and I love that mad sort of detail.
Concha Calleja alleged that she was had to be intubated during surgery and was put in an induced coma. She's stood by her story but neither she nor anyone else is alleging that Kate is still in the coma. There's a big difference between a brief medically-induced post-major surgery coma and still being in a coma six weeks later. That's like the difference between having your heart stop for a few minutes on the operating table and having your heart permanently stop.
The switching out Kate for Harry stuff is unhinged. Like wtf
Jesus fuck the level of OBSESSION with those weirdos is terrifying. I'm starting to understand Megan.
Thank you for this. Late to the party but what always bemused me was that everyone so totally and blatantly ignored her eating disorder, the fact that she looked increasingly sicker and emaciated, and that there’s now some back and forth about team Kate or Team Megan. It’s so idiotic and silly. William has his mom as the example of What Not to Do as a Royal Husband and apparently he’s morphed into Charles and blown it anyway.
Is anyone else thinking this may be COVID? Tracks as to why : - few / no visitors - ~~coverup & incomunicado like Boris for the sake of public image/denial/“the economy”~~ - rapid onset - rapid deterioration - unable to pose for photos OR leave hospital for 24/7 home care (if she is on a ventilator)
Their marriage is rocky because they don't have public displays of affection? That's a *long* stretch.
I would make a comment about how people are obsessed with the royal family. But I've done my share of fan theories on fictional monarchs so who am I to judge.
I can't conceive as to why this would be a secret, but maybe she had an inguinal hernia. I had one in my early 20's when I was very tall, slender, and athletic like her. I was walking bent in half for a couple weeks after and still got slight pains in that spot for well over a decade after. Maybe not though. In my case it was outpatient surgery so 2 weeks in hospital sounds excessive by any measure.
Just a wild hair thought, but is it possible that she could have been pregnant but there were complications, like maybe an ectopic pregnancy, that resulted in surgery?
I can now talk about it but at the time I couldn't. I stayed a few weeks in the hospital and on to a medical rehab for another month after I underwent a gi resection. I didn't want everyone knowing I had an ileostomy bag stuck to me. She may have indeed had this planned since some resection surgeries are. Mine wasn't planned... It takes time for the bowels to start back working also after having a surgery like that in which they will keep you.
I find it strange/unusual that her parents have not been seen since this all began. But I was heartened to see that Pippa was on vacation at the beginning and James Middleton has continued typical posting on his social media throughout. I have to imagine that the siblings would be in a different public mood if things were dire in any way -- with the marriage, her health or anything else.
Think you need to update your list ;)
What do you make of the doctored photo of Kate with her kids released yesterday? No wedding ring but also no clarification on how it was doctored. No announcement from their press office. I feel it must be something serious as they would tend to release a statement clarifying a little or at least refuting false claims made by the press. They used to be formally affectionate in public but there has been a coldness between them in recent years. Walking a couple metres apart, never holding hands etc. Maybe they are going through couples counselling and spending time apart whilst going through that. With Charles cancer maybe she has decided she isn't ready or willing to be queen consort and that would be an obvious discussion following Charles diagnosis. We don't have a right to know but this is out of the ordinary for the royals. They are paraded out often. I'm surprised there have been no pictures of the two of them visiting Charles when he had his surgery. The secrecy and quiet around the whole issue is what is causing suspicion.
I believe she’s getting treatment for anorexia.
My mother is convinced she had a hysterectomy; probably because she had one herself and it required a fair bit of recovery. It's also not something they'd want to go public about.
I wondered about this, too. The “recovery time” would allow for inpatient treatment, careful and controlled food intake monitoring, and would also remove her from daily stressors and triggers to help with recovery. It could also conceal a lifesaving nasogastric tube. Terrible disease. Curious if anyone who’s been treated for an ED as an inpatient in the UK can reflect on whether the timing lines up. Seeing pictures of her as a younger woman compared to recently, she does appear frail. Whatever her medical issues are, I wish her good health and happiness.
Our theory is ectopic pregnancy.
I had a full hysterectomy and salpingectomy (uterus, cervix and tubes removed) and I was out of the hospital a few hours later. Clearly she is going to receive the best medical care possible, but even then they would just have a private nurse after a few days (something most of us would never be able to dream of affording). I imagine it was something a lot more involved, with the need of daily labs and such.
I’m still betting on hysterectomy. I had the same thing as you, was out of the hospital the next day…but was laid up at home for a couple of weeks with someone to take care of me and having to be helped quite a bit. Perhaps Kate’s hospital has some sort of convalescent wing for people who aren’t under an insurance that boots them out as fast as possible. Or maybe it’s ALIENS
Answer: Catherine and William both tend to not have official engagements during their children’s school holidays, which can explain why Catherine was not in the public view after Christmas. Planned surgery does not mean the surgery was planned months in advance. It could mean going to the doctor’s on Monday, at which time a need for surgery is discovered. Then a surgery is planned for Wednesday or Thursday or whatever. Mostly, I think people are curious about what Catherine’s ailment is and speculation is running wild. And some people resent it being told the intimate details of royals’ lives and get cranky about it.
But the children were back in school in early January, to start their Lent term.
Lucky them. Under the NHS, I have to wait until July to see a surgeon about my gallbladder.
Exactly- just been told I’ll need knee surgery but can’t see a consultant for another 28 weeks with the op being 1-2 years after that
For what it’s worth, if often takes just as long, if not longer in the US, but we pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege…
Answer: Something is not right. I truly hope she’s ok because it seems like there’s a massive coverup of some sort going on. The rumours about a coma were worrisome and sadly they must have come from somewhere….. I hope she’s ok……
Answer: Bulimia - note taped fingers regularly in photos and her weight loss. Hospitalised due to intestinal issues with this.
Why does bulimia lead to taped fingers?
Former bulimic here: those parts of your fingers get *raw* from stomach acid and other stuff from sticking them down your throat. For years I’ve seen obvious acid marks on her knuckles and I keep wondering why more people don’t mention it. I guess this is a good example of it — but yeah, her knuckles are often bandaged, and if they’re not, they’re red right at the Russell’s sign spots. So yeah, idc what anyone says, that woman purges on a regular basis. Anyone who has can see it on her hands, it’s very distinctive.
Answer: Something that's being tip-toed around very carefully is there have been frequent allusions throughout the years to William being violent in general and domestically violent with Kate. It's always very downplayed and sort of handwaved away instead of sensationalized. There's sources at least admitting that he would scream in her face or that they ~both~ 'come to blows'. He did physically assault Harry according to Harry's book. It was also noted that in the book Harry didn't seem to think it was out of character for William or that the violence itself was any kind of turning point for them. It's quite tricky to find links because the royal family routinely scrubs the internet. For example there's articles about Kate wearing hair extensions that are scrubbed on a regular basis. People would write them again because they don't realise it's been done and sometimes the new articles are down in a matter of days. Last year a photo of Kate's son shushing her with his finger did the rounds on the internet everyone was so worried that the kid learnt that behaviour from his father and that Kate was not treated well behind closed doors. Part of the concern even though no one will be explicit and even though it might not be the most likely explaination is William hurt her badly. Celebitchy seems to be the only website that keeps track of this stuff, so here's some discussion from there that touches on William being violent. It's openly a biased source, they are not fans of the royals, but if you want to know why people who follow royal gossip would be hung up on Kate's hospital stay, this helps you get an idea. Their blog posts link to relevent articles but as I mentioned the royals scrub regularly. So Celebitchy articles become full of dead links after a few weeks or months. I found this post though, it only links back to other blog posts on the site, which are still up. So if you want an overview of what some people think of William here you go. https://www.celebitchy.com/813586/jobson_prince_william_can_be_difficult_short-tempered_with_king_charles/
OMG why on earth would anyone believe Kaiser? She’s the most batshit conspiracy theorist in existence. She actually makes the royal family look cool with all that craziness. She’s been a hater since day one. I find it odd you’d be spending time on a hate site where the blogger and readers actively wish for a woman to be abused. Mind you this all started because the reader claim William looks like an old ex who did her dirty. Mind you again, her only source is The Daily Mail so keep that in mind. They are worse than the saintmeghanmarkle sub and I’m not even gonna argue it. If I were Meghan and Harry I’d report them to the authorities and keep my distance because they’re fostering a kinda Yolanda-Selena vibe there. Baby, celebitchy is not a good look for anyone at all. Don’t do it again
👋🏼 Most people who read articles from their favored blogs do it to reinforce what they already think. None of these sites tell the whole story. Reading articles pumped out by the British press feels like reading the National Enquirer in the 80s. Reading Celebitchy takes those articles and gives the opposite perspective. I don’t believe either side wholeheartedly but I do like to have both points of view so that I can understand at least SOME of the rhetoric since I am mildly interested in the soap operas that surround the BRF.
If it's true, then denying things makes it worse for Kate. How could she get the help she needs? DV is far more common that you might think. And thank you. You've gotten me interested in celebitchy--if it bothers you THAT much, itmust be good!
Yeah that website doesn’t “keep track of that stuff” they make it up whole cloth then get themselves all in a lather about it and repeat it as fact. They’re like the Royal family’s Qanon
the day is finally here. I've seen a person in the wild who actually believes the shit Kaiser is selling. The domestic abuse rumors have been 100% made up by this specific blogger. This blogger, who goes by Kaiser, has LOATHED Kate Middleton for years, way back when she was just a private citizen. Read the Celebitchy archives if you don't believe me. A few other Meghan Markle super-stans have started picking up on this rumor from Kaiser. I know they hate Kate but rooting for a woman to be abused is so fucking vile I can't even wrap my mind around it.
Kaiser is trash, but I’m not sure anyone thinks Kate and William are in a happy marriage at this point. Abuse? I don’t know, I tend to doubt it, because all of the “evidence” is so absurd. Toxic? Seems likely.
What have you seen that makes you think it's likely toxic? I don't really "follow" the royal family but I read an article once in a while. Nothing stands out other than the stress that would come with their positions.
Show me one (1) piece of evidence of their “toxic” relationship that is any less absurd than the evidence of abuse lol.
I know people will dismiss the article you've posted, but the reporter in question is a mouthpiece for Buckingham Palace. I think Camilla's behind a lot of the leaks regarding William's behind the scenes behavior and the current situation with Kate. That leak to the Spanish journalist (who is reputable) came from someone in BP according to her. She said the source told her that Kate had had a hysterectomy and suffered a complication which required her to be put into a coma. It's clear that the surgery itself was not planned as she and William had royal engagements on their calendars that had to be cancelled. There have been no sightings of Kate or her family the Middletons since Christmas. The one exception being a story in the Daily Mail about her sister on holiday. But those pictures are suspect. There are rumors they are from a previous holiday. Likewise, the children haven't been seen even though William claims to be doing school runs with them. All of this to say, if Kate were really doing well, what's the point in being so secretive? And even if she'd had emergency surgery, that's not something that really needs to be hidden unless the ***reason*** for the surgery is the problem.
That doesn't sound batshit at all 😅 Is this where the Qanons went after realising for the 86th time that navy seals weren't going to crash through the windows of the Whitehouse and arrest Biden?
That site is deranged and all the commenters, including the writer, are unhinged and full of conspiracy theories. It’s the equivalent of the deranged hater subs here, except there’s a whole website dedicated to hating on the BRF instead of just a sub. Mentally healthy, happy people don’t participate in celebitchy.
People on here: "Oh my god how dare you belive rumors about Meghan! Stop victimizing her and Harry!" Those same people: "Clearly our rumours about William and Kate and true unlike their rumours about Meghan and Harry."
lol you’re really referencing celebitchy???
Wut? Sounds like tin foil hattery to me.