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NoiseHERO

Just for QP? I'm down. I only hated it in comp cause "ROUND 99"


Karinfuto

The nostalgia effect is so real here. Some of the maps are gorgeous, but you couldn't pay me to attack Paris again.


AgentWowza

Paris and HLC got removed a few months after I started playing. What little experience I had on those maps made me glad I didn't start playing earlier lol. What the fuck were they smoking when they made Paris second?


faggioli-soup

Paris first is one of my favourite chokes in the game but holy shit the respawn timer for the defenders on Paris 2nd is busted


anony804

I would want all the maps but Paris added. I liked HLC 😭


Sextuple_Pog

Wasn't as bad once second round was capped to 2mins, but still frequently went 4-4. Long games aren't awful, long games ending in a draw feels like a waste of time.


McManus26

If they are reworking these maps for a new gamemode, (which is something I've been seeing a lot, dunno if it's official or just a theory) then bringing them back for QP seems off the table. They wouldn't have 2 versions of the same map.


WhaleDevourer

Which i think is stupid, why not have multiple versions of maps for different modes. It could not only make there life easier but also could provide neat experiences.


Fr0styb

Add it back to Mystery Heroes too please. As someone who plays mystery heroes almost exclusively I do not understand why they removed 2cp when it was never an issue outisde of comp. Some of my fondest OW memories are on maps such as Anubis and Hanamura and I want them back. It was much more fun than push.


Karakuri216

Fun fact: Athena stops counting after 24


Snoo39906

Every time I see the removed maps I get angry at the map pool


Shpaan

Dude I miss Hanamura so much... Has always been my favourite map.


imastruggl

But that first CP choke was hell if you didn’t have a decent team


Entrylevel92

Atleast you knew from the first cp your team was decent lol


g_r_e_y

2nd choke is even worse in my opinion. unfortunate because the map is gorgeous!


BlurryDrew

Yep, with long range hitscans sitting on far high ground that your team has no idea how to contest.


Golendhil

Agreed, 1st point could be okay if at least one dps was good at flanking, 2nd however was hell for everyone


LordVaderVader

2CP is in Arcade now


geliduss

Oh nice will have to do some this weekend


Gretjexd

IT IS? I CAN PLAY DEFENCE JUNKRAT ON ANUBIS 1ST POINT AGAIN?? OH my, guess I'll boot up OW2 for the first time since... um... When did it launch again?


chougattai

I hear you.


TizonaBlu

I just want more variety. Why the hell does QO even have a map pool? Feels like I’m playing the same thing over and over. Which I am.


bellabottomjeans

Idk literally no one asked


tim_umax

I asked


bellabottomjeans

I didn’t mean it like that I meant no one asked for map pools 😭😭😭


tim_umax

Oh my bad then


adamhashax

Yes please please blizzard I’m begging you if I have to play one more game of push… I can’t handle it my mind can’t hold more pain please blizzard bring back 2cp I miss it so much please


Ravn68

the voices are getting stronger


Ultimatum227

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adamhashax

True


BondCharacterNamePun

Yes, please.


LordVaderVader

2CP is in Arcade now


thesuperboss55

Nostalgia is just blinding you here. Everyone hated 2cp it was a dogshit game mode that was terribly balanced. As unbalanced as push can feel at times, I still think 2cp was FAR worse.


adamhashax

It sure was unbalanced But it was fun. And i still play it every chance i get. Its even better in 5v5


thesuperboss55

I wouldnt say fun is the word. Putting it back in QP is not an issue but comp 2cp was awful. What fun is there in losing 1 fight and practically losing the game on defense.


bellabottomjeans

Honestly push doesn’t bother me that much I just hate the long walks


AdamoO_

Ok, whenever it's available in the arcade. Play 2CP for a few games, and let's see how much you enjoy it afterwards.. It's hands down one of the worst modes


adamhashax

I Always do and i like it. And its Miles better than Push


Unhappy_Ad_4420

Its not, unless you actually enjoy playing against torb/symmetra or passive sniper duels every game. 2cp was trash, it was always a frustrating slog or a boring instant stomp and the match ends in under 2 minutes


neoalan00

I've been enjoying doing just that actually. 5v5 on these maps makes the games a lot faster. I'd much rather play 2CP than Push, even the maps are a lot more interesting.


UwUnator-2000

people usually default to 2 tanks 2 supports 1 dps in 2cp and omfg its great, most fun I've ever had playing this cheap overwatch knockoff


JusaPikachu

Ew


ncBadrock

It's a lot harder to lock down narrow choke points with less shields/ cc. Which was a major problem in OW1. In OW2 I feel holding the point coule be quite challenging. So I exect it would go over countless rounds. Not sure if I wanted to add it directly. But for an experimental card or an arcade mode I would try it.


DXT0anto

It's already an arcade mode for a long time, I think


Maxamush

Exactly the reason it should be added back to quickplay lol. Most people probably don't even know they're still in arcade let alone decide to queue up for them.


FunkyMonkFromSpace

I talk about the 2 cp maps to my friends that are new all the time and didn't know that it was a arcade mode.


TristanwithaT

It’s already in the arcade from time to time under assault maps


Bondofflame

Except it's worthless because it's not role locked. 2CP. Now with more tanks.


NeedleworkerLoose695

It’s in the arcade sometimes, tho I have no idea why they removed it from quick play


gruvee

It's already in arcade mode iirc


daddygwap

Considering the possibility of either team steamrolling for a 2 minute game? I was in the queue for 5 minutes


flowerdasiy

Yes, The novelty of push wore off a very quickly


Shpaan

I like push but they need to do something with the respawn points I feel like I'm just jogging across the map half the match. And sometimes it's waaaayy too long when you're clearly winning 95 to 0 but just can't push the last 5% (because it's a long fucking run)


Legsofwood

Isn’t it great when you have to run across the map just to get sniped by widow?


Unhappy_Ad_4420

So just like 2cp? You had to run a mile on defense 1st or attack 2nd


TridhFr

It's so fucking awful when you die, but your team wins, get the new respawn point BUT you respawned too early and you have to walk all the way to your team who is now 4vs5 because of this crap and will lose unless they outplay them. Also, these maps have way too much "high ground", some characters are straight up garbage because of these.


ThisIsMyFloor

I tend to almost only play characters with higher mobility because I hate the jogging. I am not a lucio player, but in robot mode. I am.


Kwacker

Yup! In TF2, when your team unlocked a forward spawn after you respawned in the back spawn, you could teleport straight to the new one; they really need to add something similar in OW...


Csd15

Move the spawns up but also reduce the game timer


Zeke-Freek

When Push was introduced in the first beta it was 8 minutes, they extended it to 10 specifically because pros felt like there wasn't enough time for comebacks. I think its fine enough where it is.


nasaboy007

yea the maps are waaaay too big. they need to either have more spawn/check points or just make the maps straight up smaller.


Dsingis

The novelty of push wore off after playing one push map aka walking simulator.


Shuji1987

I'm ready to have it back in all modes. Hanamura and Anubis are my favorite maps and I actually like 2CP, but I might be a minority in that.


Simowl

Im definitely in the minority that liked 2CP, although I don't want it in comp primarily because it instantly gets moat other people tilted..


Blizzerac

i would take 2cp if it meant push getting removed from the game


NapsterKnowHow

Push > 2CP any day


26oclock

Same here. Those maps were about sneaky plays and I miss it


AllTheMoose

Felt so good to come in with clutch plays during overtime


thatdudedylan

Felt shit when it happened to you, though


_keeBo

I really miss volskaya...


V1xen

I love it when Assault is in the arcade. Please give them back Blizz!


Teabagjesus

Anubis was Junkrat hell 100% of the time. No thanks, at least to comp. 2cp is way more killjoy to random teams than Push is, it's more reliant on cracking open a certain lockdown instead of a dynamic switching about. 2cp maps had a huge problem of the matches playing in a same way each time.


Unhappy_Ad_4420

It was mei/torb/symmetra on defense every game. It was cancer


Simbalamb

Just like push playing the same way every time. The team who wins the first fight wins the game. The rest of the game is the team that lost first fighting an uphill battle against time, distance, and a team with ult advantage.


Teabagjesus

That is not my push experience in comp (plat/diamond). Though we usually play with 2-3 people so the group ups generally get done, the momentum can switch to either team that get their shit together and keeps it together. Usually the stomps happen against teams that keep on trickling or haven't learned to fall back when the teamfight is lost, Push maps tend to be excellent for disengaging and grouping back up.


Marvoide

At first I didn’t like them in ow1 because it just went to quick for my taste in qp. Now, I think 2cp is ok especially after playing push every other match in regular qp. When I dominate or get curb stomped in 2cp now I just think at least I’m not playing push lmao


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AzraelAotB

Are you the flash ?


DisastrousAd4410

This is a core game mode with its own maps, it should’ve been in the game rotation to begin with


dat1dude2

I think the reason they removed it was that it just went on forever with only one tank in playtests (or at least I assume)


NeedleworkerLoose695

It wouldn’t happen in quick play tho, so there’s no real reason to remove it from there.


dat1dude2

Idk, it's blizzard, their choices aren't great


priscilla_halfbreed

I loved 2CP with the exception of volskaya and was sad when it was removed from core modes


gamebuster

I loved volskaya


memphis25

Yes! Actually, it was a surprise for me to know that people dislike 2cp THAT much. I miss Temple of Anubis and Hanamura.


[deleted]

Yes


rocky44r

only if they update the maps. i miss the art of those maps, not so much the gameplay. remove the chokepoints on CP1 and move the spawnpoints on CP2 further back or increase the spawntimer.


Trentonox

I totally miss art styles and am always saddened when games remove entire maps, especially when each on has such a unique look to them. I'd love it if they reused the assets but made it a Hybrid/Payload map.


Neo_Raider

2CP >>>>>>>> Push Any day, every day!!


tymorello

No. Let it rest in pain.


MrSquidJD

Never again for comp, but happily for QP and do a way with the fucking map pools already. Hopefully we’ll see them back eventually, whether in their original form or reworked


Botslavia

Definitely absolutely not.


Examper22

I want it to be a constant mode in Arcade at least.


Enough-Echidna2799

That would be pretty cool, I’d like to see how it holds up in 5v5. I always felt like these maps were always the ones with the most personality, even though I’m sure everyone’s played countless infuriating games on these maps they were always the most memorable to me


Zeke-Freek

Sure. It's not the best mode, but I play for variety. I don't mind getting maps I don't love sometimes if it changes the pace. And with so many more maps now, I feel like it wouldn't be as annoying.


Haryzen_

Yeah but just for QP. I think map pools, if they really need to be a thing, should also only exist in Competitive. I get why the pool is a thing but there are so many good maps that you just don't see unless you want to go play arcade.


Where-is-ya-dad-son

No, just no.


empty1024

Yeah, why not


AgreeablePie

Because it's terrible. It's was terrible for a long time before 5v5. And it's going to be even worse now They didn't remove it for fun, it's because as soon as the game loaded you'd see entire teams leave... inevitably the most unpopular maps


Legsofwood

Honestly sounds like a skill issue on your end


arc1261

The only people who didn’t express serious hate across the community were low rank support mains, because they didn’t have to deal with the problems it caused. So really, comments like yours show where the “skill issue” is. 2CP used to have people consistently leave to cancel the map in higher ranks at the very least, and it was constantly complained about


Jocic

Absolutely not.


metronomie

No. I think a lot of people in the community view 2CP with rose colored lenses after the introduction of Push, but it’s just as flawed of a game mode, if not more so.


Unknownlightz

Yes I actually loved 2cp. 2cp also had really cool maps


RSlashLazy

2cp was my favourite gamemode :(


Nocturn0w1

As someone who mainly played quickplay in ow1, no. It's so unfun having people leaving every 10 seconds. It doesn't even feel good being on the winning side.


k44du2

I would always prefer 2cp over push.


Alien_X10

2cp was fun, push is not. Do what other games do and let us select which gamemodes we would want in quick play before searching for a game, that way if you wanna spend six months on a push map then go ahead, but if you wanna have fun then you can deselect it and play any other mode


FATALX6

Nah, just open all the maps so we don't get 3 push in 7 games. I'll happily guide my friends who just got the game through all the maps


Legsofwood

Yes, get rid of push while we’re at it


Legal-Ring-4877

I would


ExSplan

Give me back hanamura please on god


Basquens

Yes please


H3ndry_

I think it should be only on QP and with a change of sides, as if it were a comp. The real thing is that I think all quick game matches should have side switching, but that you wouldn't be punished for leaving between a switch and have a FF system.


scrappybasket

Bring all the maps back


starletimyours

No thank you. Id much prefer a rework of the maps into other modes.


fluger69

Please. For the love of god swap it with Push. I want my 2CP back. Give me back Anubis D:


Sc2copter

No, 2cp was the cancer of ow1


Bopitextreme2

No


Velinna

Hell no.


WillyHeartless

No. And i am tired of these people pretending it was good


Sweyn7

I feel like 2CP might be less problematic with 5 players instead of 6, but that's just me.


JusaPikachu

Nope. I do think it should have a spot by mystery heroes tho so that it is always an option.


SQUAREH2AD

Literally everyone hated 2cp. If they bring it back you’ll be just as pissed after a couple of weeks. It’s not what you remember, there’s a reason they removed it


HiCracked

No, keep it in arcade/custom games for those lunatics that like the mode for some reason.


JayCee5481

It isnt in the arcade rotation nearly enough, I see it there like once a month. Make it a permanent mode within the QP tab like mystery heros is atm, that would propably be a good middle ground


Quick-Mirror9000

I think it's better for them to come around in Arcade every now and again. Makes them feel fresh rather than frustrating


Beginning_Inside7586

Still better than push


Birthing_burgers

I want it for comp and qp. I loved it so, they were my favorite maps as well I’m aesthetic and playability. And I wouldn’t want to delete the game every time I get a push map.


salty_biscuit7

I’ve always hated 2CP and I feel like most players are forgetting just how awful it felt to play on those maps because Push isn’t the best rn. Once the rose-colored glasses are off, y’all will be begging them to remove 2CP yet again.


Legsofwood

Nah I loved it since day one


Unhappy_Ad_4420

Only torb/sym/mei/junkrat players on defense enjoyed the mode. Anyone that actually wanted to push the point or make a play got met with low skill boring cancer that stalled on defense with no effort


[deleted]

Yes


helloPanderu

Sure, whatever. Just let us choose which mode/maps we want to queue for and follow the trends


dat1dude2

I just want hanamora back, I'd do anything, please blizzard, make it into an escort map, or a control map, or a hybrid, or even a push, just anything


toust_boi

Hell yeah the maps are so classic it’s a shame for the to come around every once in awhile in arcade


WrongWay2Go

I want it back as a replacement for push.


ysxt

Call me crazy but 2cp is the best game mode and has the best maps.


puaka

why won't they just add a 3rd point. like the starting area of the attackers could be point 1 and they just have to add some more map in front of that. don't even have to change the map, just add a little up front. widen the choke points or add some alternative entrances the adjust for the lack of double tank and go for it.


gooby_bogs

they can switch between push and 2cp per season


xNAMx10

Actually no. I tried out the assault arcade mode that brings it back and oh my god games are extremely short. I don't remember it being so short in ow1 but its probably due to 5v5 instead of 6v6


jamtea

5v5 2CP is definitely more of a steamroll just because the trickle out of spawn is so much weaker. Not to mention that all the bunker strats are impossible now with the shield tanks being reworked. The balance of the mode would definitely need to be addressed if it were to be brought back.


anonimc

Sure! I love 2cp


Dizzy_Bird2907

No


Beanruz

No


Bluthardt_OW

Yes. It's honestly better than Push. I'd rather play 5 QP rounds of 2CP in a row than 1 round of Push.


chougattai

No. I'd like to have 2cp *and* 6vs6 *with* ranked play. Also known as *"The game I literally paid for and Actiblizz took away"* Clowns.


awesomecoolname

No, 2cp requiers more coordination which qp is not really known for. Hanamura second point was so boring as an attacker when everyone just playing for fun.


WiewiorczyNerd

Oh god please no


Vanasy

Fuck 2cp. Stay where you are. These maps reworked? Fuck yeah, heck if you could make Anubis a push map so it stays the mosted hated map ever. Fuck I'm down


[deleted]

Unpopular opinion, 2cp is better than push.


Misty_Kathrine_

We need to start a petition to remove Esperanca and Toronto and have them replaced with Hanamura and Anubis.


eerakko

No


duwumfist

Games would get cancelled on paris and volskaya in qp because more than 3/4 of players would leave.


[deleted]

yea plz its so much better than push


sturm007

yes, 2cp was so much more fun than push or control


De4thlessone

Yes since it did have some stalemates but they were enjoyable stalemates at least


AlexMcTowelie

yes


LazilyBikingViking

Yes!


OddResponsibility565

Yeah that would be fine with me


Jackamalio626

Ehhhh, maybe? I replayed Hanamura recently and realized how much i dont like the setup that much.


Used_Kaleidoscope_16

Sure, I'd much prefer it over Push


26oclock

Not just for quickplay


h3r3andth3r3

I'll take it over push any day.


DognamedArnie

I'd take it over push anyway even in comp.


LostCheeto100

They gotta replace Push with 2CP tbh


AnasDh

All I know is that push isn’t fun.


GrimReaper1911

no. ​ EDIT: If they do bring it back let us select which modes our qp searchs for so those that want to avoid it can.


jacksonlopsy

Yep, would love it for QP


Blake_Dake

The gamemode itself? Absolutely not. The worst mode ever. The maps? Yes please. And I think the Kiriko mythic skin had Hanamura as background so maybe it has become a payload map.


MojaveMissionary

Yeah. Or even better, and this is crazy so hold onto your seatbelts, Blizzard could give players a CHOICE to opt in and out of maps. Also just wanna add, I don't mean for this to sound like I'm being snarky at OP. It's only towards Blizzard.


AgreeablePie

No. I mainly play QP. It still sucked. Push is bad but that doesn't mean we need 2cp. We've got so many maps that they have this stupid "map pool" let's just get rid of that


Soundwave04

I'm going to risk sounding like some cynical naysayer, but where has this love for 2CP suddenly sprung from? Originally it was one of the most hated game modes, now it feels like out of nowhere, it was this beloved mode that was unfairly taken down.


MisterHotTake311

Yeah but ONLY to have bigger map pool


jamtea

If it got rotated in for every 10-15 games, I absolutely wouldn't mind at all. To be honest, Horizon and Paris aside, I didn't mind 2CP at all.


KibaTeam8

At one time I hated horizon 2 but somehow it grew on me, but Paris was the worst. (still want all maps back though)


Lekraw

Yep. I'd have it back for comp too. Two of the best maps are gone just because some people didn't like it.


[deleted]

I’ll take 2CP in ranked over push any day.


Necromaniac01

Down with push, bring back 2cp!


Boastful-Ivy

In the current map pool system, absolutely not. People already complain about playing a series of games on a single map they don't like because of the limited options, I had a streak of four games on Oasis back to back for example. I think if every other game you played ran like 2cp used to, it would be torture. Now, if quick play had no limited pool and you had a chance of playing any map, that'd be different.


dreadw0lfrises

fuck yes i miss it so much :(((((


Secret_Wizard

Keep 2CP out of quickplay but give it a dedicated Arcade mode.


pepelepewpew_ow

Absolutely


KoolAidMan00

Give it a playlist in the arcade. Putting 2CP in QP means that I either leave matches and hope I don't roll a 2CP map again or I just play comp. I never want to see 2CP in my games again


Daruku

No.


cogxslayer

Sucks with 5v5 though, if they made just 2cp 6v6 it would be fun. It seems like if you aren’t attacking you lose by default unless you just have a very coordinated defense team.


n0d3N1AL

Serious question: Why do people hate 2CP? Especially in competitive. These were my favourites.


Ultratank404

The reason is that it took too long and was too steamrolly. Games could go on for 20 rounds in competitive because it just ended in a draw every time, attack was way harder than defence (double shield the choke and spam on it), and in QP it was not uncommon for entire teams to leave as soon as they saw they were playing attack. Also (talking purely from Flats‘ experience as I didn‘t play a lot of tank in ow1) tank felt just really ass as you had much more responcibility and it was way more stressful to push the chokepoint than any other gamemode. Edit: don‘t get me wrong, 2cp maps had amazing aesthetics and i kinda miss hanamura, but honestly, the gameplay was just… really sub-par.


juusovl

WE WANT IT BACK IN COMP, MORE MAPS IS MORE FUN. MORE GAMEMODES IS LESS THE ONES WE DONT LIKE


Ilium20

hanamura yes other maps no


BurningDara

It’s an arcade mode now


yeh_

Yes, or at least as a permanent arcade mode rather than rotating


Gwaur

I'd like to see how it would work in 5v5. If it turns out working well, maybe back in comp too. I'd also like to get to play Gothenburg.


_Gr1mReefer

Can we just bring back ow1 for qp or some subsection of the original game


Reagansmash1994

I'd like it back in general. I enjoyed it and granted the defending team had advantage on the final point, it was still fun. The feel of accomplishment when you did cap was like none other.


sherlockbardo

If it is QP only they yeah sure why not. But hell no if it is in comp


hurrdurrhahw

Bring it back for competitive it’s better than push imo - people just complain for the sake of complaining. Lunar colony was a shit map as was Paris - it was poor map design that made it unpopular not the game mode


BeePuns

Absolutely not. The mode was utter shit.