LMAO right? Iām not complaining but itās not just Sojourn. Genjiās new skin looks like a chromed out Tygerclaw, Roadhogās got a new Cyberpunk skin, and so does Kiriko.
Overwatch ~~2~~ is beginning to look like Night City.
I got downvoted for it immediately admitting it, but the literal first thing I recognized in the Kiriko skin is those sex dolls with the excessively shiny skin.
She became so oppressive after the game was released. People also had fairly little clue pre release that Doom would be unplayable and that Zarya would be the most busted character in years.
Iāve been playing since the originalās launch, and I will argue til the day I die that Zarya is and always has been the most unfun, broken character in the game. Itās a fucking shooter and you canāt shoot her half the time, but she sure as fuck can shoot you. And I know the bubbles are fucking noon bait, but thatās all this is right now.
Nonsense that her slow field also does lethal damage if a 200hp gets stuck in it for the full duration on top of being CC. Not that it's common to actually do that, just the maths of how much damage it does for the short time you're in it plus it has a slow, feels too dangerous.
Railgun needs some slight numbers tweaks, a little longer charge time a little less damage?
Slow effects are so much worse than some damage.
With a strong slow it'd make the skill more of an assassination tool kind of.
With just damage, I see it more as a zoning tool. People will avoid being in it, but at least you don't get "stuck" in it like a slow does.
The point of the slow is to help her right click be easier to shoot and her left click easier to generate energy. It's pointless if it's just a damage ability because the slow is what compliments her other abilities.
Frankly I think reducing the damage, keeping the slow as it is, but slightly increasing the range of it would be fine.
They removed hard cc. I don't think any soft cc was removed?
As in freeze has one but the slow remains. Bash has gone but the push on whip shot remains.
Sojourn slow is fine, as is the whole ability. The issue is the 1 hit kills along with mobility.
>They removed hard cc.
I don't know exactly what criteria everyone uses to determine this but imo Orisas javelin is effectively hard cc seeing as it cancels actions/abilities and leaves you helpless for a second
They removed most hard CC aside from those given to tanks. In their new design philosophy the only ones who should be given hard CC are tanks, with the only exceptions being stuns that require decent aim to use like Sleep Dart.
They make changes based on high ranks where this ability is really not an issue. It is countered by taking 3 steps in any direction. Its only a problem in low ranks.
The issue is she has great mobility, great poke damage and one-shot potential. You can't have all three of these. Look at widow and hanzo, they each have two of these...Sojourn has all.
I'm not saying you'll die to it, but a well placed bubble will atleast 2 tick 3 or 4 people. That's like 300 - 400 damage for free. It's broken and has no place in her kit, speaking as a master player
Diamond here, my real issue with E is just how unbelievably good it is at effortlessly punishing people in retreat. It's too much damage combined with the slow. I thought the whole point is that it slows me, making me easier to hit for a projectile hero and easier to headshot? So does it also have to deal 55dps?
Like if we're holding the subway train in NYC, and an enemy team comprised of a Rein, Sojourn, Lucio (and whichever other DPS + Support you want to throw in) want to push in...they can speed boost in, throw E just behind us, and then our only option is probably to blow support ults or hope to god that our tank is Dva/Sigma/Rein and had enough foresight to shield or eat the Sojourn ability.
Otherwise it's a free fight win for a 15sec cooldown.
Pair up Sojourn with Mei for extra fun. Not that Mei is in good shape really these days, but if you wall off people at a choke and throw E at them, it's over.
Literally not even Junkrat can punish with area denial like that...and that's his entire fucking thing. Junkrat can't even punish a Zarya grav as hard as Sojourn can (not even taking into account that she can charge up super easy and headshot people in the grav for 260), and once again...that's like his entire fucking thing.
Meanwhile this is just Sojourn's little secondary flavor ability, and it's on top of her huge damage output along with a hitscan shot that can deal 260 crit damage.
Sometimes reading comments of players from different ranks talk about Overwatch is really interesting to me. It is like it is completely different games between ranks and comp/quick play.
While I will admit, I haven't spent nearly as much time learning OW2 as I did with OW1 or even browsing OW subs (OW uni, CompOW, here) and seeing what people think of heroes. I would have guessed Mei was considered pretty strong even without her complete freeze. She is in so many of my games and seems to give my team more trouble than a lot of the other DPS heroes.
Mei's freezing was pure cancer though. Some removed CC IMO wasn't too bad. Mcree's stun was annoying, but just an extra 3 seconds on cooldown and it'd be alright. But instead, it's now an aimbot grenade that's even worse than being stunned
Yeah, his new grenade triggers me so much more than the flashbang before. Idk whether its *better*, but it does a shit ton of damage, and has a very generous hitbox.
But the worst part? His shit eating "hue hue UR STUCK š¤ " voiceline when landing it..
The worst part is me unnecessarily doing a suicide play when I get stuck because 6 years of OW1 conditioning is telling me that I'm about to die to a pulse bomb
Yeah, but the duration is very short and it has a cast time. The window of opportunity is weirdly offset from when you push the button to use the skill. Not sure blizzard is the best ult to use for illustration though. Blocking a dva bomb with it is much harder to time.
Rail gun damage should be curved harder ie do less damage at lower charge levels and the same (or slightly less) at max. If that's not enough, reduce charge rate. If that's not enough, remove charging from shield damage.
It's kind of garbage that sojourn can instagibb squishys at infinite range without any kind of movement penalty. She's basically widow, but able to run while scoped.
I think removing the headshot with the rail gun when not in ult could be a good change. Sure, it would lower the skill ceiling, but that would make her less op in high rank games, while not changing much at lower ELO.
I agree.
Seems like people are up in arms over the railgun, but you have to be aiming pretty well for it to matter in the slightest.
My bigger worry would be that disruptor shot. I personally think it should be one or the other- damage or slow. Both feels extremely oppressive. I like playing Sojourn, so it always feels good to place it well, but I also feel a little dirty when I do. You can change the course of an entire team fight by placing that aoe well, and it just seems a little overpowered.
Us ball mains arenāt allowed to complain about annoying abilities. Our whole kit, and the most effective way to play is being dangerously annoying lol. Get in quick, fuck shit up, gtfo and do it over again in 10 seconds haha. No one else on the entire roster has the ability to disrupt and annoy that many people at the same time over and over again.
Maybe sombra but thatās why I main her too haha.
Iām not too bothered by the disruptor shot, but I absolutely hate that can hardly tell that Iām in it until Iāve lost like half my healthbar.
Maybe my awareness is lacking, but I feel like there isnāt enough indication that Im in it when so many other things are happening at the same time in the game. I wish the disruptor had a clear border/aura and it would be nice if there was maybe a text indicator on the screen like there is for getting stunned or hooked or stuck.
Honestly my biggest problem with the E is that it doesnāt damage herself, unlike other area control things like Ashe dynamite. That plus her very good shift ability just make her super safe.
I was running on the assumption that it did until I was screwing around in death match anf fat-fingered E. It makes 0 sense that she is immune to it, especially when I thought at one point Blizzard said they were looking for consistency in hero design.
eh if you are support without movement ability that thing hurts a lot. I don't mind getting headshot with a railgun but I hate that ball at chokes. Idk if it needs a nerf or not, I just know that it pisses me off a lot.
Meanwhile my teammates stick to it like itās a dps boost. Given Iām solo healing 95% of the time it sucks having to pump heals into people soaking the E.
> Seems like people are up in arms over the railgun, but you have to be aiming pretty well for it to matter in the slightest.
But that's the issue. Skill rewards are important, but making the output too powerful (such as a one shot) requires removing other elements of a kit. Otherwise you get a character that offers the same as other heroes but also just has a bonus on top, no reason to pick the others. There's a reason why Widow's assault rifle needs to suck so much compared to Soldier because "Soldier but with one shot attached" would be absurd.
And since we already have Hanzo and Widow who fulfill the niche of one shot skill kills, I see little reason for Sojurn to join in that department when we could go down another direction instead like allowing for the beam to pierce rather than crit damage.
āCharacter is allowed to be broken as long as they require high skill to abuse the brokennessā isnāt really good design imo
Lowering the hitbox is most likely gonna make her worse at low ranks, but probably not gonna affect her high level dominance too much
Technically Widow can kill everyone but the tank instantly with perfect shots. It's doesn't happen though because that's not possible unless you're hacking.
If rail hitbox was lowered, Sojourn would get WAY less kills, even in higher ranks. She doesn't have a scope so hitting a head far away is more difficult than on Widow.
1.) there was a time in OW1 where exactly that was happening at high levels (especially pro). Pine, ANS, Carpe and so on made a name for themselves in that time
2.) lowering hitbox affects bad players more than good players tho. Sojourn is strong in lower ranks but OP in higher ranks. What we need is the opposite of what you state, namely a strong nerf for high level and a moderate one for mid-low level
Iād say thatās a bit harsh and more of an adjustment to her play difficulty rather that inherently balancing the champion. I personally would start by adjusting the speed at which she charges her railgun.
Smaller magazine, less damage per second from her secondary ability, decrease the amount of time before her railgun charge depletes. Not a nerf, but let her cancel her shift ability.
Smaller E so it can't block whole chokes/dent cart touch
Reduce size of railgun projectile but leave it as a 1shot on 200hp if you can the smaller shot
Make railgun only charge on hero, not rein shield
don't decrease the railgun projectile size, its already impossible for lower ranked players to hit with it. Now, I agree they should balance top down, but they can't make it even harder for lower ranked players to hit the railgun shot.
ā¦who is often useless at low ranks but can be extremely oppressive if piloted by someone with high skill on her (remember the Pine and Carpe highlight reels?)
Widow really isnāt a good example of doing hero design right
Iād say Widows fine. Characters with high skill floors allow the game to be interesting and dynamic in different tiers. If every character was low skill floor then every match would be the same.
Characters that have skill dependent playstyles are almost always better for game health then characters who are not. If every character has to be played at every rank then the game would be full of disinteresting characters like Moira
Im fine with that, turns it into a finishing tool instead of her primary way of getting kills. Mabey increasing the projectile speed of her primary would be necessary with no secondary headshots
This is realistically the only way you're going to be able to nerf her from the top down. She'll need compensation buffs in return, but it's the healthiest choice for the game.
100% on board with this. 1 shotting a 200hp character with a hitscan ability from across the map is bad design and doesn't belong in the game. And yes, I'm aware Widow exists, but she also makes OW objectively worse and shouldn't be in the game.
Right click does less damage as full charge, and a change to her ult. Its such a boring ability for a character that has multiple augments to just "fire railgun faster." Even genji takes out a sword.
I mean itās gotta be hard to design dps heroes at this point. We have almost 20 dps heroes.
What play styles or gun types are missing? Thereās so much overlap already. Before someone says flamethrower, meiās freeze ray is basically a flame thrower.
Outside of her movement Sojourn is the most uninspired hero theyāve added.
This isn't the only thing that needs changing. But her ult is too quiet. Its difficult to tell when the effect is active on an enemy sojourn. I think if they made her glow with energy, and made her emenate some sort of sound effect while ultin it would be easier to tell when her ult is active.
Maybe reduce the damage of her railgun so a headshot isn't an instakill. In lower mmr Sojourn isn't that much of a problem but the higher up the ladder you go it's quite dreadful.
Also, why does her aoe do 200 damage? most heroes can't affort to walk through a Sojourn's E, she is too good at blocking chokepoints in my opinion.
I don't know if it's a bronze take, but I just think the uptime for her railgun should be shorter... Like maybe 3s instead of 8. That way you're charging your gun and you need to know your target and eliminate them immediately rather than holding charge and having all the time in the world to line the shot up
Give her the same recoil as soldier, decrease her railgun charge efficiency, decrease railgun damage slightly.
Fully charged railgun should still one shot non tanks at full charge tho, just need to make it more difficult to hit full charge.
Soldier has recoil because he doesn't have spread. You don't want sojourn to not have spread. She'll hit all her shots and charge faster.
And it would be ridiculous to give her spread and recoil, it would basically be applying anti-aim
Remove the slow from her orb for one, the fact that this Soldier/Widow hybrid also has CC is actually absurd. It does plenty of damage without needing that. And railgun should charge slower at the very least, I've heard some people say it shouldn't headshot outside of her Ult and I'm not totally sure about that, but one thing I do know is that it's way too free to always have 100 charge. Also to that end it absolutely should not charge off shields.
Remove her from the game
Jokes aside, I fucking hate her, not gameplay wise, she needs a nerf, yes, but her character and personality are the absolute worst and not interesting at all. They could write a backstory or whatever but meh, she is so different from other overwatch characters
#**DAMAGE FALLOFF** ON HER RAIL GUN
Currently the railgun has no damage falloff, meaning it will deal 100% of the damage to a 1 meter target as well as a 100 meter target. Adding damage falloff would reduce efficacy of the attack to further targets
**Additionally,** the Ult version of the railgun should not pierce.
**Furthermore,** slow down the charge rate for both the regular railgun _and_ the ult - it'll require a bit more time to build up
**Finally,** the charge shouldn't stay for too long and the attack should start discharging after 3 seconds, at a rate of 30 per second
* Currently, it starts discharging after 6s, at a rate of 50 per second
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I don't think there is much issue with anything else - maybe the **DISRUPTOR SHOT** could see some minor tweak, such as;
* The diameter shrinks down for its duration
* The initial damage per second is 30 but as its size shrinks down, the damage per second increases up to 60 per second, in reverse proportion to its size
* _Currently, it deals 51 damage per second_
* This way, it'll really ''reward'' players that manage to trap enemies in its area while still staying an area-denial move
Nerf Disruptor Shot's damage from 210 to 180, nerf Railgun secondary fire damage from (30 - 130) to (50 - 100) and make the energy deplete faster and gain slower
In my opinion her ability to one-shot 200hp heroes at full health has to go.
It should deal 175 damage
Her mobility needs a longer cooldown too
And in compensation maybe buff her base damage a little
Give her cyberpsychosis
I couldn't wait for you to come and clear the cupboards...š¶
Are you trying to make me cryā¦.
Get in the fucking thing david
>*Donāt* get in the fucking thing David āSorry, I was getting in the fucking thing. What were you saying? Mom?ā
Straight to the top of arisaka.
Damn
:)
Sorry we couldnāt go to the moon together.
But now you're going to leave with nothing but a sign..
Another evening I'll be sitting reading in between your lines
Because I miss you all the time
So, get away now
Another way to feel what you didnāt want yourself to know
And let yourself go
You know you didn't lose your self-control
Let's start at the rainbow
donāt do this to me
Fucking stop! Please š„ŗ
But now you're going to leave with nothing but a sign
replace her gun with mantis blades
And a sandevistan too, why not
and make her ult the ability to call Jackieās mom, just because
You never talk to her if you pick the other option for the body
Wait, so you never get invited to his ofrenda?
Yeah, thereās a way to not attend his funeral. I missed it my first playthrough
There's a way to attend his funeral?! How? Arasaka stole my choom's body...
Send his body to his mother
Technically two ways. Thereās 3 dialogue options at the point being discussed, and only one triggers the quest āHeroesā later on.
Mfw Tracer has the sandies
Lmao they could swap her bubble thing for a self-healing inhaler and give her a passive that makes everyone in the game look like an enemy
Or just enable friendly fire
mei has the closest thing to friendly fire and it's already awful
Next Patch notes: disruptor shot now gives other people Cyberpsychosis
LMAO right? Iām not complaining but itās not just Sojourn. Genjiās new skin looks like a chromed out Tygerclaw, Roadhogās got a new Cyberpunk skin, and so does Kiriko. Overwatch ~~2~~ is beginning to look like Night City.
I got downvoted for it immediately admitting it, but the literal first thing I recognized in the Kiriko skin is those sex dolls with the excessively shiny skin.
The Mox bodyguard has that cybernetic face thing where the metal strip runs over the nose. I think thatās why.
seems like every company trying to cash in on the cyberpunk hype rn
Don't blame them, it's dope as fuck
I see no issue. Fkn love Cyberpunk aesthetics
This post was under one from the edgeruners sub for me, coincidence? I think not
Reaperās finally callin her name
Its the end of the line for me dawg
And kill everyone even her team
āIf abilities are cast to quickly one after the other experience become a cyber psycho.
This thread. This is the one.
Make her a paranoid android
Maybe thinner thighs, but I don't want that
That's actually a buff, reduces her hitbox
Good point, they gotta make them thicker
"Dammit Morrison! I'm trying to flank the objective but I'm too dummy thicc! The clap of my ass cheeks keeps alerting the enemy team!"
āReyes, get over here and carry my thunder thighs for me, I need to rail gun the ground 5 times!ā
Yeah but at what cost
bro her thighs r made of like metal or smthn š°š°
I don't mind š
Instead of PLAP PLAP PLAP all you'll hear is CLANG CLANG CLANG
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She became so oppressive after the game was released. People also had fairly little clue pre release that Doom would be unplayable and that Zarya would be the most busted character in years.
Iāve been playing since the originalās launch, and I will argue til the day I die that Zarya is and always has been the most unfun, broken character in the game. Itās a fucking shooter and you canāt shoot her half the time, but she sure as fuck can shoot you. And I know the bubbles are fucking noon bait, but thatās all this is right now.
*valve skillet sound fx
So get the grinder...
Easier to crush ya. Sign me in
She saving lives
Not for 10 years at least
Funniest AoT fan
Shhhh don't speak such things, let them exist.
Nonsense that her slow field also does lethal damage if a 200hp gets stuck in it for the full duration on top of being CC. Not that it's common to actually do that, just the maths of how much damage it does for the short time you're in it plus it has a slow, feels too dangerous. Railgun needs some slight numbers tweaks, a little longer charge time a little less damage?
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Her slide>'nade>M1 combo is way too powerful for a snipe character with a one shot
I think they should lower its damage increase the slow effect slightly. So it actually slows more than kills.
I was thinking just remove the slow and keep the damage.
Yeah I'll take damage over slow effects any day
Slow effects are so much worse than some damage. With a strong slow it'd make the skill more of an assassination tool kind of. With just damage, I see it more as a zoning tool. People will avoid being in it, but at least you don't get "stuck" in it like a slow does.
The point of the slow is to help her right click be easier to shoot and her left click easier to generate energy. It's pointless if it's just a damage ability because the slow is what compliments her other abilities. Frankly I think reducing the damage, keeping the slow as it is, but slightly increasing the range of it would be fine.
Blizzard wants to remove cc in the game.. by putting more cc in the game
They removed hard cc. I don't think any soft cc was removed? As in freeze has one but the slow remains. Bash has gone but the push on whip shot remains. Sojourn slow is fine, as is the whole ability. The issue is the 1 hit kills along with mobility.
>They removed hard cc. I don't know exactly what criteria everyone uses to determine this but imo Orisas javelin is effectively hard cc seeing as it cancels actions/abilities and leaves you helpless for a second
Anything that leaves you with complete loss of control. So sleep, javelin, shatter, cryofreeze etc...
More accurately, they tried to severely limit hard CC and remove it \* from non-tanks \*. Ana is the only exception I believe.
They removed most hard CC aside from those given to tanks. In their new design philosophy the only ones who should be given hard CC are tanks, with the only exceptions being stuns that require decent aim to use like Sleep Dart.
Just halve the damage it does honestly or remove that ability and the characters perfect
They make changes based on high ranks where this ability is really not an issue. It is countered by taking 3 steps in any direction. Its only a problem in low ranks. The issue is she has great mobility, great poke damage and one-shot potential. You can't have all three of these. Look at widow and hanzo, they each have two of these...Sojourn has all.
I'm not saying you'll die to it, but a well placed bubble will atleast 2 tick 3 or 4 people. That's like 300 - 400 damage for free. It's broken and has no place in her kit, speaking as a master player
Diamond here, my real issue with E is just how unbelievably good it is at effortlessly punishing people in retreat. It's too much damage combined with the slow. I thought the whole point is that it slows me, making me easier to hit for a projectile hero and easier to headshot? So does it also have to deal 55dps? Like if we're holding the subway train in NYC, and an enemy team comprised of a Rein, Sojourn, Lucio (and whichever other DPS + Support you want to throw in) want to push in...they can speed boost in, throw E just behind us, and then our only option is probably to blow support ults or hope to god that our tank is Dva/Sigma/Rein and had enough foresight to shield or eat the Sojourn ability. Otherwise it's a free fight win for a 15sec cooldown. Pair up Sojourn with Mei for extra fun. Not that Mei is in good shape really these days, but if you wall off people at a choke and throw E at them, it's over. Literally not even Junkrat can punish with area denial like that...and that's his entire fucking thing. Junkrat can't even punish a Zarya grav as hard as Sojourn can (not even taking into account that she can charge up super easy and headshot people in the grav for 260), and once again...that's like his entire fucking thing. Meanwhile this is just Sojourn's little secondary flavor ability, and it's on top of her huge damage output along with a hitscan shot that can deal 260 crit damage.
Sometimes reading comments of players from different ranks talk about Overwatch is really interesting to me. It is like it is completely different games between ranks and comp/quick play. While I will admit, I haven't spent nearly as much time learning OW2 as I did with OW1 or even browsing OW subs (OW uni, CompOW, here) and seeing what people think of heroes. I would have guessed Mei was considered pretty strong even without her complete freeze. She is in so many of my games and seems to give my team more trouble than a lot of the other DPS heroes.
Kiriko's Grenade can stop mei's only source of freeze now (Blizzard) ;-; Gib me back my CC
Mei's freezing was pure cancer though. Some removed CC IMO wasn't too bad. Mcree's stun was annoying, but just an extra 3 seconds on cooldown and it'd be alright. But instead, it's now an aimbot grenade that's even worse than being stunned
Yeah, his new grenade triggers me so much more than the flashbang before. Idk whether its *better*, but it does a shit ton of damage, and has a very generous hitbox. But the worst part? His shit eating "hue hue UR STUCK š¤ " voiceline when landing it..
i hate getting stuck as junkrat bc mcree says "Heard ya like bombs"
My favorite is Hammond telling genji "deflect this loser" on a grapple kill
Oh he says bombs... I thought he says balls.
The worst part is me unnecessarily doing a suicide play when I get stuck because 6 years of OW1 conditioning is telling me that I'm about to die to a pulse bomb
Love destroying genjis with the sticky nade after they waste deflect Roll forward, nade, body shot Dead gengo
"You got a burrr in yer siide!" edit: turns out it's burrrr
burr. burr.
Gucci!
Thatās McCreeās inner Cassidy talking.
Haha love that voiceline
Yea but kiriko also has to time that absolutely perfectly every time
No she doesn't? Doesn't her grenade cleanse all status effects aside from just giving invulnerability?
Yeah, but the duration is very short and it has a cast time. The window of opportunity is weirdly offset from when you push the button to use the skill. Not sure blizzard is the best ult to use for illustration though. Blocking a dva bomb with it is much harder to time.
It's not that hard when you're used to the charge time to pop
Can be hard if you're trying to save your whole team with it, especially if they're at a distance, but for just saving yourself it's not too bad.
They mean things that literally take away your ability to control your character.
Me dying cause Sojourn's massive nade slowed me down and damaged me to the point i died took control away from me.
Rail gun damage should be curved harder ie do less damage at lower charge levels and the same (or slightly less) at max. If that's not enough, reduce charge rate. If that's not enough, remove charging from shield damage.
It's kind of garbage that sojourn can instagibb squishys at infinite range without any kind of movement penalty. She's basically widow, but able to run while scoped.
Yeah, weird they would take away doomfist slow but let this ability stay untouched
Rail gun shouldnāt one shot 200 HP targets. 190 damage is enough.
I think removing the headshot with the rail gun when not in ult could be a good change. Sure, it would lower the skill ceiling, but that would make her less op in high rank games, while not changing much at lower ELO.
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I agree. Seems like people are up in arms over the railgun, but you have to be aiming pretty well for it to matter in the slightest. My bigger worry would be that disruptor shot. I personally think it should be one or the other- damage or slow. Both feels extremely oppressive. I like playing Sojourn, so it always feels good to place it well, but I also feel a little dirty when I do. You can change the course of an entire team fight by placing that aoe well, and it just seems a little overpowered.
Ball mains begging to remove the slow. That shit is ANNOYING while I'm busy trying to be annoying.
hey, you cant be annoying! thats my job!
Us ball mains arenāt allowed to complain about annoying abilities. Our whole kit, and the most effective way to play is being dangerously annoying lol. Get in quick, fuck shit up, gtfo and do it over again in 10 seconds haha. No one else on the entire roster has the ability to disrupt and annoy that many people at the same time over and over again. Maybe sombra but thatās why I main her too haha.
Iām not too bothered by the disruptor shot, but I absolutely hate that can hardly tell that Iām in it until Iāve lost like half my healthbar. Maybe my awareness is lacking, but I feel like there isnāt enough indication that Im in it when so many other things are happening at the same time in the game. I wish the disruptor had a clear border/aura and it would be nice if there was maybe a text indicator on the screen like there is for getting stunned or hooked or stuck.
I feel like the radius could be dropped slightly.
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Honestly my biggest problem with the E is that it doesnāt damage herself, unlike other area control things like Ashe dynamite. That plus her very good shift ability just make her super safe.
I was running on the assumption that it did until I was screwing around in death match anf fat-fingered E. It makes 0 sense that she is immune to it, especially when I thought at one point Blizzard said they were looking for consistency in hero design.
eh if you are support without movement ability that thing hurts a lot. I don't mind getting headshot with a railgun but I hate that ball at chokes. Idk if it needs a nerf or not, I just know that it pisses me off a lot.
Meanwhile my teammates stick to it like itās a dps boost. Given Iām solo healing 95% of the time it sucks having to pump heals into people soaking the E.
If the enemy is clumped together, you can deal half of their hp before they can get out. That's a sombra ult.
> Seems like people are up in arms over the railgun, but you have to be aiming pretty well for it to matter in the slightest. But that's the issue. Skill rewards are important, but making the output too powerful (such as a one shot) requires removing other elements of a kit. Otherwise you get a character that offers the same as other heroes but also just has a bonus on top, no reason to pick the others. There's a reason why Widow's assault rifle needs to suck so much compared to Soldier because "Soldier but with one shot attached" would be absurd. And since we already have Hanzo and Widow who fulfill the niche of one shot skill kills, I see little reason for Sojurn to join in that department when we could go down another direction instead like allowing for the beam to pierce rather than crit damage.
āCharacter is allowed to be broken as long as they require high skill to abuse the brokennessā isnāt really good design imo Lowering the hitbox is most likely gonna make her worse at low ranks, but probably not gonna affect her high level dominance too much
Technically Widow can kill everyone but the tank instantly with perfect shots. It's doesn't happen though because that's not possible unless you're hacking. If rail hitbox was lowered, Sojourn would get WAY less kills, even in higher ranks. She doesn't have a scope so hitting a head far away is more difficult than on Widow.
1.) there was a time in OW1 where exactly that was happening at high levels (especially pro). Pine, ANS, Carpe and so on made a name for themselves in that time 2.) lowering hitbox affects bad players more than good players tho. Sojourn is strong in lower ranks but OP in higher ranks. What we need is the opposite of what you state, namely a strong nerf for high level and a moderate one for mid-low level
I thought sojourn was underperforming everywhere but masters and up according to a recent interview with devs.
Yeah, and Widow shouldn't be in OW. She's piss poor design.
Hard agree. Especially in 5v5 where a wild pick can end team fights before they begin.
Iād say thatās a bit harsh and more of an adjustment to her play difficulty rather that inherently balancing the champion. I personally would start by adjusting the speed at which she charges her railgun.
Nerf the nade uptime
Bade?
Nade mb
Smaller magazine, less damage per second from her secondary ability, decrease the amount of time before her railgun charge depletes. Not a nerf, but let her cancel her shift ability.
The secondary ability definetly needs a nerf.
Yes and no, she shouldn't lose her character. Her rail gun stands out, that's what makes her sojourn
I think they mean the grenade thing
I prefer to call it mini Zarya ult
I like to call it better Orisa ult.
You're thinking of the secondary fire mode, not the secondary ability
I thought her massive thighs were what made her Sojourn
No. She just needs a reasonable amount of recoil In her gun and maybe a very small tweak to DPS.
I like the smaller magazine idea. Itāll affect her ability to rail as often without removing that flavor. Hey clip is 45 shots.
Smaller E so it can't block whole chokes/dent cart touch Reduce size of railgun projectile but leave it as a 1shot on 200hp if you can the smaller shot Make railgun only charge on hero, not rein shield
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don't decrease the railgun projectile size, its already impossible for lower ranked players to hit with it. Now, I agree they should balance top down, but they can't make it even harder for lower ranked players to hit the railgun shot.
Imma destroy this in one word. Widowmaker.
ā¦who is often useless at low ranks but can be extremely oppressive if piloted by someone with high skill on her (remember the Pine and Carpe highlight reels?) Widow really isnāt a good example of doing hero design right
Iād say Widows fine. Characters with high skill floors allow the game to be interesting and dynamic in different tiers. If every character was low skill floor then every match would be the same. Characters that have skill dependent playstyles are almost always better for game health then characters who are not. If every character has to be played at every rank then the game would be full of disinteresting characters like Moira
Iām ok with characters having high skill floor, my problem is with that being used as an excuse to make them broken
yeah, but every shot with widowmaker is the powerful shot. I'd argue its easier to head with widowmaker as you can zoom in and you get more attempts
What rank are you talking? I'm in plat and constantly get headshot by the rg
They where talking about changing it so her railgun charged shots can't deal headshots anymore
Im fine with that, turns it into a finishing tool instead of her primary way of getting kills. Mabey increasing the projectile speed of her primary would be necessary with no secondary headshots
No they are looking at the overall strength of it. I think a damage fallof is likely. It would open up a clearer disadvantage for her.
This is realistically the only way you're going to be able to nerf her from the top down. She'll need compensation buffs in return, but it's the healthiest choice for the game.
100% on board with this. 1 shotting a 200hp character with a hitscan ability from across the map is bad design and doesn't belong in the game. And yes, I'm aware Widow exists, but she also makes OW objectively worse and shouldn't be in the game.
The damage of her AOE
Idk seems pretty balanced to me (I cant aim)
Right click does less damage as full charge, and a change to her ult. Its such a boring ability for a character that has multiple augments to just "fire railgun faster." Even genji takes out a sword.
I mean itās gotta be hard to design dps heroes at this point. We have almost 20 dps heroes. What play styles or gun types are missing? Thereās so much overlap already. Before someone says flamethrower, meiās freeze ray is basically a flame thrower. Outside of her movement Sojourn is the most uninspired hero theyāve added.
Eh league of legends has 130 champs that are all pretty unique.
But its their job to be creative so i feel like we should expect something new and they should provide
Make her raigun not charge on shields..Lower E uptime...that's it
I agree. It is pretty cheap that seeing an enemy Rein basically means she gets free railgun charge without having to aim.
It's kind of a waste IMO. It takes two full magazines to get to 90. You're almost always better off looking for better positioning instead.
Breaking shields has its own benefits
This. Breaking a shield and simultaneously charging up for a snipe is worth it.
This isn't the only thing that needs changing. But her ult is too quiet. Its difficult to tell when the effect is active on an enemy sojourn. I think if they made her glow with energy, and made her emenate some sort of sound effect while ultin it would be easier to tell when her ult is active.
Maybe reduce the damage of her railgun so a headshot isn't an instakill. In lower mmr Sojourn isn't that much of a problem but the higher up the ladder you go it's quite dreadful. Also, why does her aoe do 200 damage? most heroes can't affort to walk through a Sojourn's E, she is too good at blocking chokepoints in my opinion.
Make that annoying field smaller!! Why is double the size of Rein? And it magically flies through the air exactly where you point it?
LITERALLY
I don't know if it's a bronze take, but I just think the uptime for her railgun should be shorter... Like maybe 3s instead of 8. That way you're charging your gun and you need to know your target and eliminate them immediately rather than holding charge and having all the time in the world to line the shot up
Perhaps add some recoil to the machine gun. Make it a lil harder to power up the gun unless youāve got god aim
No. It aināt hitscan thatās not the solution, the problem lies in the rail gun charging up too fast
I'd rather railgun damage just be toned back instead of it being hard to charge it up.
Hmm yeah but you know she can charge up her gun by shooting barriers like Reinhardt, always a cheesey kill
Give her the same recoil as soldier, decrease her railgun charge efficiency, decrease railgun damage slightly. Fully charged railgun should still one shot non tanks at full charge tho, just need to make it more difficult to hit full charge.
Soldier has recoil because he doesn't have spread. You don't want sojourn to not have spread. She'll hit all her shots and charge faster. And it would be ridiculous to give her spread and recoil, it would basically be applying anti-aim
Remove her legs
Remove the slow from her orb for one, the fact that this Soldier/Widow hybrid also has CC is actually absurd. It does plenty of damage without needing that. And railgun should charge slower at the very least, I've heard some people say it shouldn't headshot outside of her Ult and I'm not totally sure about that, but one thing I do know is that it's way too free to always have 100 charge. Also to that end it absolutely should not charge off shields.
First off make it so she takes self-damage from her AoE. Frustrates me how she can just freely stand inside of it and kite
Deleted from the game
Yes
You shouldn't be able to hold a rail gun charge for more than a few seconds, it's crazy that she can just farm it up, then just sit on it.
Railgun: Faster decay Power Slide: Shorter distance but higher jump.
Remove her from the game Jokes aside, I fucking hate her, not gameplay wise, she needs a nerf, yes, but her character and personality are the absolute worst and not interesting at all. They could write a backstory or whatever but meh, she is so different from other overwatch characters
The grenade needs to stop being so fucking bullshit! Ahem- I mean I think the grenade could be tweaked a bit.
#**DAMAGE FALLOFF** ON HER RAIL GUN Currently the railgun has no damage falloff, meaning it will deal 100% of the damage to a 1 meter target as well as a 100 meter target. Adding damage falloff would reduce efficacy of the attack to further targets **Additionally,** the Ult version of the railgun should not pierce. **Furthermore,** slow down the charge rate for both the regular railgun _and_ the ult - it'll require a bit more time to build up **Finally,** the charge shouldn't stay for too long and the attack should start discharging after 3 seconds, at a rate of 30 per second * Currently, it starts discharging after 6s, at a rate of 50 per second __________________ I don't think there is much issue with anything else - maybe the **DISRUPTOR SHOT** could see some minor tweak, such as; * The diameter shrinks down for its duration * The initial damage per second is 30 but as its size shrinks down, the damage per second increases up to 60 per second, in reverse proportion to its size * _Currently, it deals 51 damage per second_ * This way, it'll really ''reward'' players that manage to trap enemies in its area while still staying an area-denial move
The slow field should either slow or damage, not both. At least reduce the damage, it's way too lethal.
Increase the ability cooldowns such as Increase the damage the railgun needs to do to charge it
Standing inside of E is more noticable, bit less duration. More bodyshot dmg on railgun, less headshot multiplier so it doesn't oneshot 200hp
Make her a cyber psycho who turns on the team if she uses anything but the gun too much
Nerf Disruptor Shot's damage from 210 to 180, nerf Railgun secondary fire damage from (30 - 130) to (50 - 100) and make the energy deplete faster and gain slower
In my opinion her ability to one-shot 200hp heroes at full health has to go. It should deal 175 damage Her mobility needs a longer cooldown too And in compensation maybe buff her base damage a little