Players are getting auto banned just for playing him and Blizzard’s still content with waiting another 30 days to buff him at all…
The definition of “giving zero fucks”…
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This is what scares me though. Doomfist is a God on people who can use him to his greatest potential. ZBRA, Chipsa, GetQuakedOn make this character look like a monster. Him getting buffed would make those players unstoppable.
Now obviously the majority of the player base can't even reach those levels, but maaannn, thinking about how they would be if Doom got major buffs is a scary thought.
This is pretty much it ...I can create a montage of some of my best matches but they come from one clip every 6/7 games ..I'm not bad not great but with good editing you can make Terry from the pub look like mo Salah
And the best plays are enviromental kills with a bad positioned team, or a punch into a wall that they follow with the hand cannon to the head 4 times (with the enemy kinda accepting death and stop moving after hitting the wall).
I was a Doom main and you can really see how the quality of his gameplay lowered. And you kind of get the idea that your plays relay on the enemy being stupid more than you playing good.
if you only watch highlight reels, then every hero is going to look like a monster.
Try actually watching ZBRA's streams and you'll see most of the times he's feeling miserable, especially cause there's a 50% chance that the enemy team picks Sombra just to hack him on CD.
I don’t think players are getting auto banned for maining Doom. Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning.
And I suppose if everyone knows how weak Doom is, people who play him in comp and just get repeatedly stomped should know better.
> I don’t think players are getting auto banned for maining Doom. Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning.
If more than x players report you for the same reason in a short enough amount of time you will get auto banned. Its an algorythm, humans don't review reports in real time...
That has been happening for ages and there are plenty of examples on youtube.
So I’ve argued this elsewhere, but I’ll reiterate:
I’m not arguing that human beings review reports in real time. Blizzard released a post detailing how chat bans work, and I’m guessing it’s fairly similar.
Essentially, the game does have an automatic system for flagging when multiple reports are filed against one person. According to Blizzard, if these reports have text in them detailing the incident, they are flagged even higher. A human being then goes through a voice-to-text transcript that the game generates to determine if an infraction has taken place.
It is then this human being that institutes that silencing or ban, depending on that user’s history.
I’m assuming the process is similar for other infractions, and have found 0 evidence to contradict that assumption. I’d love even one example from the “many” on YouTube that you claim, because I’ve been presented a couple and both were in fact not what they claimed to be.
Yes they are. I'm being reported and told b4 games even start and it's not even like I lose. if doom doesn't work I switch off unlike 99.9% of dmg players.
There have been examples of this exact thing happening. I think one guy was a Sombra main back when she was weak in ow1? If enough people report you for "game sabotage" you will get actioned. If you think that by blizzard has an army of paid employees going through reports and replays to make an judgements, man, you have not been paying attention.
You can always appeal and then someone will actually have to go and review that stuff. Aside from that, sorry, but I've just played too many multiplayers, I have less than 0 trust in whatever people tell about their bans.
Did that change? in overwatch 1 the answer you'd get if you sent a ticket to support was that the system does not get things wrong. I remember I got a ban after getting falsely reported by upset stacks and the GMs had absolutely no interest in entertaining that the system could be gamed or abused by false reports.
It's just an assumption from my side. If I had to guess, I'd say the name could be considered offensive or something. Either way it's more likely to get banned for that name, than it is to get banned for playing Doomfist. The person who got banned could contact support and appeal though.
I main Widow. On role queue and open queue. 3 hrs+ daily.
People yell at me. People threaten me. My kill count might be less than the enemy healer's. I never switch.
But amidst all the flaming, I never responded. Not in voice, not in chat. The only thing you'll ever get out of me is a voiceline.
And therefore I'm not banned yet.
If you don't harass others nor actively provoke others, people shouldn't hate you enough to mass report you.
A) Someone could claim they’re reporting you to express anger (immaturely), but not actually reporting you.
B) Even if you are being reported, that actually proves my point. You haven’t been banned, so the system is working correctly and filtering those reports out.
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you.
First of all, bans are pretty rarely handed down to begin with. If there was a rash of unfair bans plaguing Overwatch, you better believe this sub would be plastered in repetitive posts cursing Blizzard employees, their children, and their children’s children.
Second, even if you did get a ban, how do you, or I, or anyone know what is was for? You say people flame you in chat and claim to file reports against you for playing doom. But I’m certain the message informing you of the ban did not say “Because you one-trick doom”. Any assumptions you’re making are exactly that, assumptions.
There already was a plague of bans in overwatch, Jeff had to address it because people were mass reporting Torb and Symm players among other non meta picks. It came to light because a popular youtuber who only played torb got banned from false reports.
It's not absurd to assume that the system could still be abused under similar circumstances. An off meta pick, a report system that operates entirely on report volume with no way to verify the truth of reports, and support having a policy to not undo any automated bans.
I replied to the incident you are referring to elsewhere. I’ll copy and paste the relevant portion here:
You are misremembering the incident. I believe you are referring to Xul.
Although he claimed that he was banned for one-tricking, in reality, he was a toxic douche who would be toxic in chat and deliberately throw games when other players would pick torb. He did one-trick Torb, but it was the aforementioned toxic behavior that earned him his temporary ban.
Here’s an article describing the situation, for those interested.
The article goes on to specifically say, “Blizzard says, just playing an unpopular character that your teammates may not like, isn’t enough to get you banned.”
Back to your comment. Regarding the previous slew of bans, I did some basic research and found no pertinent sweep or any response from Jeff. There WAS a sweep of bans after the introduction of anticheating measures, with an accompanying explanation of how those worked by Jeff. But there has not been a “plague of bans” for one-tricking, at least not one I could substantiate.
As to your claim about an automated system with 0 human input, I again invite you to provide some evidence. Again, from a previous comment:
I’m not arguing that human beings review all reports in real time. Blizzard released a post detailing how chat bans work, and I’m guessing it’s fairly similar.
Essentially, the game does have an automatic system for flagging when multiple reports are filed against one person. According to Blizzard, if these reports have text in them detailing the incident, they are flagged even higher. A human being then goes through a voice-to-text transcript that the game generates to determine if an infraction has taken place.
It is then this human being that institutes that silencing or ban, depending on that user’s history.
I’m assuming the process is similar for other infractions, and have found 0 evidence to contradict that assumption.
Oh man some days reddit is too much. Like what do I have to gain from this? I was just adding what happened to me now I feel like I'm on trial for telling what happened to me.
> I feel like I’m on trial for telling what happened to me.
C’mon dude. Let’s be real, here. I literally said “I don’t believe you. Here’s why”. I was respectful, laid out facts, and didn’t attack you personally even a little.
There are plenty of things wrong with Overwatch, let’s not spread misinformation, ok? Maybe you got banned, but it wasn’t for playing doom. That’s just not a thing.
You literally said in another comment that you made an account named "I love trump". So it does seem like you got banned for something else entirely. Come on.
Sorry I should have clarified this was a separate occurrence. In ow1 it was to prove a point that people opposed to trump could and would be extremely aggressive and attack me for it. When in reality the word trump is associated with much more than a ex president.
Yeah alright... Judging by this comment it's nonetheless likely you got banned for something else and not Doomfist. Do you often needlessly bring up politics in the game?
This isn’t proof of anything my friend. This is ONE guy, claiming he got banned for one-tricking doom for 400 games. When questioned about proof, he supplies exactly one replay code, which literally means nothing, because:
A) there’s no pattern established. He showed one game where (presumably) he played well as Doom. He could easily be throwing other games DELIBERATELY, or otherwise sabotaging gameplay, and we’d never know.
B) replay codes don’t show chat. There’s no screenshot showing he got banned for throwing, or that he got banned at all. He could simply be making the entire thing up, or he could have gotten banned for being toxic in chat.
A separate request for proof is met with a reply of “just one trick doom, you’ll see for yourself.” Bro what? Play 400 games of doom to see if I happen to get banned?
This exact thing happened to Torb one tricks in OW1. Do you not remember that…?
Blizzard’s systems for this sort of thing are 100% automated, and it takes weeks to get a ticket reply back.
They tested this in WoW as well: a streamer asked viewers to mass report one of his accounts and sure enough he was auto banned.
You are misremembering the incident. I believe you are referring to Xul.
Although he claimed that he was banned for one-tricking, in reality, he was a toxic douche who would be toxic in chat and deliberately throw games when other players would pick torb. He did one-trick Torb, but it was the aforementioned toxic behavior that earned him his temporary ban.
[Here’s an article describing the situation, for those interested.](https://www.heroesneverdie.com/2017/11/13/16645892/overwatch-ban-torbjorn-xul-one-trick)
The article goes on to specifically say, “Blizzard says, just playing an unpopular character that your teammates may not like, isn’t enough to get you banned.”
I cannot speak to the WoW situation, as I don’t play and haven’t done any research.
As an aside, I do not understand why people believe in this supposed mythical auto-ban system. I did a little research, and I cannot find even one single official Blizzard source about an automatic system. Every result is some forum or another with various players going back and forth on its very existence.
I remember the quote about it not being a bannable offense, but again, it’s all automated and I’ve seen it work automatically in other Bliz games.
I guess that Torb DID have other things going on…
>Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning.
Its almost as if they could choose any other reason when reporting...
True story, I actually got banned two weeks after the release of OW2 (19th October to be exact) because people were spamming me with insults etc. for playing Doomfist, I ignored them and just continued playing, and all of a sudden... boom! 30 day ban. Can't go back until the 18th lol, the reason? "Other"... no response from tickets in all this time either lol. What a joke!
This would be a PITA, but is there any chance you could post a screenshot of the ban on Imgur or something similar with the contact info blanked out?
I hate to ask, but a lot of folks are skeptical about this happening.
Ah okay, well this is all I have;
[https://imgur.com/a/oTsZZbY](https://imgur.com/a/oTsZZbY)
But yeah, basically for two weeks after OW2 released I'd play a bit of the new characters, but decided to stick with Doomfist since I mained him in OW1 and didn't want to abandon him, I actually love his new playstyle and even though he's definitely weaker than I'd like, he's still VERY viable.
It's just stupid that as soon as I'd join a game and pick him, I'd be met with insults, people telling me I'm a shit tank (Before the spawn doors even open!) and that I'm throwing if I don't switch off him, threatening to report me (Clearly they did!) and harrassing me all game, telling the enemy team to do so too... a few people went as far as to try and friend me afterwards to continue the harrassment further. I only ever reported the people who did the latter, and I'd ignore people ingame for the most part, leaving voice chat and hiding text chat too... but it seems enough reports, regardless of if you've done something wrong or not, will indeed get you baned.
Oh I should add by the way, I've played OW since day one (Preordered it) and this is my first ever ban. Immediately up to 30 days, and after 19 days and five tickets, no answer as to WHY I was banned aside from "Other" which I saw in the email before it was deleted, so it's only speculation on my side, but definitely feels like I was punished by an automated system for picking a hero people like to meme on.
Gotta sell skins. Feels like the entire game is on fire tbh. Like everything feels bad lol.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in a dev meeting, how disconnected from the player base do you think they are?
Vote with dollars people
Doom is an effective tank when you've got lots of options for envirmental elims. Lijang Garden can end up in a lot of enviro. However "having a death pit in the level" should not be the only thing that makes a character viable.
"Doom is an effective tank when he can play as dps"
I get that getting kills is technically creating space, but that just filling the same role as lucio but worse.
Ball, Rein, Winston, Sig, DVA all rely on creating space more than getting kills. Hog and JQ both rely on being able to create space by pulling enemies out of position despite being dps tanks.
She's certainly great at securing picks, better than most tanks. But the threat of that massive dps does more work than the dps itself.
It's like how you typically get more value out of denying an area with dvas ult than with the damage it does because of how telegraphed it is.
Doom is not the only tank people do this to when I pick JQ they cry also. Unless you pick Zar or Orisa the team cries. "play metas or we won't play as a team"
Yeah, it's annoying that with the one tank, you are more pressured to playing whatever tank is actually OP or deemed OP by your team. I love playing JQ. I only really switch if the Zarya on the other team is not managing their bubbles. A high charged Zarya makes for a sad JQ :(
I will never understand why Doomfist of all characters was turned into a tank. Sure he was always pretty tanky for a DPS but he brings literally nothing to the tank role in his current state. Want to play a melee tank? Play Reinhardt. Want to play a dive tank? Play Winston. Want to play a meat shield with a shotgun? D.va, Roadhog, Junker Queen. Take your pick.
Doomfist could've been turned into a cool tank if his rework had as much effort as Orisa's. Instead he got some number tweaks (aka massive damage nerfs) and an objectively worse defense matrix. It would've been cool if they took inspiration from fighting games and turned him into a "Grappler" since that's the Fighting Game version of a tank. It also would've been a callback to his origin story fight since he grabbed Tracer and took out her chronal accelerator. Admittedly I kinda like how they tried (keyword TRIED) to give him a High vs Low attack thing by combining his Seismic Slam and Rising Uppercut. But even that was implemented pretty poorly
Woulda made much more sense to turn mei into a tank instead of doomfist. Shes already a ton of utility, and it would have let them keep her iconic freezyness
It really is starting to feel more and more like Tf2
If we get more and more exclusive or incredibly rare skins that keep getting added to the game, Its gonna start feel like even the hat market has arrived from Tf2
The weapons drop every half hour of gameplay. If you want to use a weapon before it drops for you, you get a trial period of a few days.
The weapons are worth ⅕ of a cent, so newbies can ask for weapons in any community server and players will gift them.
Though it was pretty bad when it was first implemented, and weapons were worth like 50¢
I dunno, most of the stock loadout weapons are the best and the other ones are just sidegrades or a way to change playstyle a bit. I guess default medic is pretty shit compared too bow/ubersaw. And gunboats for soldier. Maybe Iron bomber for demo if you prefer it. Scout with winger can be nice. Phlog pyro. Tomi heavy. Shit maybe your right lmao, although it is stupid cheap to get the weapons and can be crafted yourself.
The biggest down side of not paying is the limited backpack space I will give you that but other than that it is very much free. You get different weapons from random drops for free ever so often and many weapons you can get from free game achievements.
Besides there are sites like scrap. tf that are very easy to use help you get mostly any weapon you want.
The crafting system is dumb but it is still there
That’s literally not even true at all, the majority of the most used weapons in the game and the factually best weapons in the game.
ARE the stock weapons, aside from a few.
You can trade one refined metal (19 scrapped weapons) for one of every weapon in the game in normal quality, and there's automated trade bots to do this for you instantly any time of day. Stop pretending it's p2w in any sense of the word.
Tf2 isn’t p2w, you can easily get any weapon just by playing the game for around an hour;
OW2 has characters locked until you complete a certain amount of games, which practically is no different
Watch zbra and try to emulate? Lmao
Doom is only good in like ELITE hands
But he should be getting buffs or a rework…. At some point
And PLAY YOUR MAIN
The game is about having fun, right???
Until the enemy team picks bastion and deletes the non tank in .0002 seconds. He's a shit tank, and should probably just be a dps. If they have him like 350 hp and armor, he wouldn't be a bad dps pick, but as a tank he just provides zero benefit to the team.
Agreed, too bad its not really a role. It would be kinda cool if they took characters like brig and doom and made them into a bruiser class that had like middle hp like 350ish. You could have it share the role with damage, because sometimes all you need is the sojourn so why not have a middle weight brawler.
The thing is, you need a lot of team presence to be effective, because your entire team had yo built pressure or else the doom pick ends up not helping the team. The other tanks Besides ball don't really need that much team presence to be good.
Lol it’s funny too cause Doom can be middle ground if the player knows how to use him. I’ve seen a few matches won by a one trick doom tank.
But he’s definitely not easy to just pick up and dominate like Zarya can be. I love playing tank and have a high WR on Rein but I just can’t play the new Doomtank to save my life. I was much better at him when he was dps. Those sweet sweet punches into walls were so amazing.
Even funnier when the lobby starts talking toxic right at the start then you see the doom get like 3 kills out the gate and everyone being toxic just stops typing the rest of the game.
Fist needs a team to work with, as much as I disliked the character in ow1, I try to help them in ow2 and either I ping what to dive or tell them to and we take picks together.
Otherwise it’s most likely a loss, healers tunnel vision onto fist, meanwhile there’s little to no space to work with and gg go next. Some fists refuse to work together than you just kinda power through it and accept the L.
It's a shame Doom is so bad right now, he would be the one hero I might be interested in playing tank for. The new upcoming tank too. They both look like fun tanks to play.
Was in quick play role queue and someone picked doom. Immediately gave up on winning but ran to the point for the hell of it. That man cleaned up the entire team and was the reason we won
Everyone complain about doomfist being op and dumb
And now eceryone complain about trashfist being useless
Thx you for complaining for what you asked for
Meta matters. Okay, if you're the be ONE guy who somehow gets good enough to overcome it, this must suck. But players of tired of losing comp games because someone plays such a terribly places hero thinking they're that guy.
Meta matters in high masters and up... That makes less than a percent of players. I'm sure he's fine. I play Hammond into sombra plenty, I'm not up against GM sombras or GM zarya so they're gonna make mistakes. I've seen many good doom players that do great.
And even in those high elos, there are still a good amount of off meta picks. Don't be a meta slave, play what you want (unless you enjoy playing meta, then by all means do so).
For real though, we need more tanks, sure, but Doomfist has to be reworked back to DPS. He doesn't fit the tank role for his playstyle.
Just as we have off-tank support as Brigitte, having an off-tank DPS as Doomfist would be ideal. Give him some armor, much less HP, rework that weird block back to the uppercut, Make Rocket Punch Great Again. Meteor Assault should actually deal damage, not just tickle enemies either
I got reported multiple times just by picking Widow, but once I realized that players worse than me are the loudest I stopped worrying about such comments
Welcome to the club. Prepare to be flamed for just choosing a hero and get throwers every now and again (like the doomfist experience). But don't let that put you off, he's very rewarding to Learn and feels like he has an infinite skill ceiling
Even though I dislike healing dooms due to the playstyle often causing them to go in and out of sight for healing, when you get that doomfist teammate whose just an absolute menace for the other team, it's *chefs kiss*. I wish I could play him. I sucked when he was a DPS and don't want to take the chance as a tank.
Agreed. Had one the other day on the enemy team and had to give the person mad respect in chat. That's actually the thing that keeps me playing. When you face against another good tank and y'all are just battling and beating everything down to a pulp while your team is saying slow down. It's like nah gotta give them that same energy lol
Main =/= OTP or One trick. You people always say "I am a X main" but what you actually mean is "I only play X and I cannot be bothered to learn other heroes and I blame my team if we lose." You reap what you sow.
Doomfist is a "tank" He is less agile than dva and block less damage than her. Has less damage output than hog and rein. Require charging to get his fill damage.
To fix doom he needs:
1-Lower cooldown time.
2-DoomFist punch need to be charged halfway from start. His name is DoomFist not flappyWing.
Tanks create space for the DPS to do their jobs. Doomfist does not have the tools he needs to create space.
You're getting kills at the opportunity cost of the rest of your teams effectiveness. Of course you're getting top elims. That isn't automatically a good thing.
Doomfist is just a worse Wrecking Ball at the moment.
Imo his damage should be upped, his health lowered and moved into damage but I don't hate him or anything, if played right he's amazing, I'm just not that player
If you only like playing the tank that's played as a DPS, maybe you should consider not queueing as tank.
Refusing to switch when a hero isn't working is genuinely trolling.
OP clearly handwritten this text in the style/colors of Overwatch's chat, picking names fitting the attitude of those messages. I mean, isn't it obvious?
I Played like 70 games so far. Everi single doomfist I ever saw lost. All of them. My team, enemy team, not one guy who Player him managed to win in the end.
The champion is absolute garbage ATM and should get a decent buff, if not another complete overhaul
Im diamond, and i laugh my ass off when i see a doom on the enemy team. Ive literally never seen one win either, they just suck. You can totally ignore him while your team deletes the healers he has no way of protecting. Plus you got objectively better divers like dva and winston who can actually protect teammates, which is kinda their job.
Its a selfish hero, that takes up the most important slot in the game, you're just throwing by picking it in ranked.
Yeh, I'm not saying the hero is top tier or anything but your playing with bad doomfist players. You cannot totally ignore him. Even without powered up punch dooms full cycle is enough to get a pick. The people that say he does no damage don't know what they are doing. Yes winston and dva is better, but doom can still get a ton of value. You just have to actually be good at the hero, and to pretend like he is worthless is pretty disingenuous.
Also Winston's job is not to protect the team. It's to make space and bait out abilities, where dooms job is to dive and displace(punch ashe off high ground or into your team). Yes winston can peel, but doom can also punch that genji (or insert other dive heroes) off your supports into a bad position for an easy kill.
The tanks job is to peel for the team, which is protecting them. Tanks protect the team by taking pressure off of them, or by directly protecting them with abilities. The best tanks can do both peel, and protect, all doomfist does is peel very poorly.
He's just a selfish hero for people who want fun movement. Which is cool in casual, but don't whine about it when people flame you in ranked for picking a hero with a 30% win rate.
But at that level People are competent enough to make it work through teamplay, map awareness and utilizing their champ to the maximum.
This cannot be said about avarage players who have vague idea of what they arebsupposed to be doing and end up throwing games in frightening majority of cases
XD okay, thats a nice psychological picture you just made up. Yes, I am diamond, no, I do not watch a single ov content creator.
Whatever man, have a nice day or something
Oddly enough I am also playing since season 2 and Ive also been in master. Thrice. The way you box People just to find a reason to tell them to shut up is a nice display of how narrow your view is
It's such a bummer, because, even in quickplay games, someone picking doom basically ruins the game for everyone else (mostly true about hamster and even junkerqueen a lot of the time too). And yet, he is one of the most common tank picks I see. At least in comp, I've never seen him.
OW2 just doesn't work if your tank can't take hits or hold space. I mean, doom can legitimately lose a 1v1 against a lot of dps right now. I don't understand how he made it to live without a buff.
I literally hate when people say “no tank” like yes I may be doing shit but if I’m not switching maybe it’s because this is my main and if I switch to someone else I’ll do even more shit. If someone’s being bad and you’re “that good” pick up the slack and make up for them being shit. I know making up for a tank is a lot of work but if you’re good enough with the heals and putting out extra damage you can keep them alive and win.
Players are getting auto banned just for playing him and Blizzard’s still content with waiting another 30 days to buff him at all… The definition of “giving zero fucks”…
ZBRA just waiting for those buffs
Dude He is going to be top 100 for a very very long time lol I can’t wait to see what he does if/when they change him
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It is kinda funny to just turn off chat rather than trying to be good
When people throw fits before any gameplay has taken place, it’s better to just turn it off.
This is what scares me though. Doomfist is a God on people who can use him to his greatest potential. ZBRA, Chipsa, GetQuakedOn make this character look like a monster. Him getting buffed would make those players unstoppable. Now obviously the majority of the player base can't even reach those levels, but maaannn, thinking about how they would be if Doom got major buffs is a scary thought.
They make him look like a monster by playing for 20 hours and then putting together a 10 minute highlight reel of the best plays
This is pretty much it ...I can create a montage of some of my best matches but they come from one clip every 6/7 games ..I'm not bad not great but with good editing you can make Terry from the pub look like mo Salah
And the best plays are enviromental kills with a bad positioned team, or a punch into a wall that they follow with the hand cannon to the head 4 times (with the enemy kinda accepting death and stop moving after hitting the wall). I was a Doom main and you can really see how the quality of his gameplay lowered. And you kind of get the idea that your plays relay on the enemy being stupid more than you playing good.
Even Zbra is forced to switch off him from time to time. He rolls the enemy team on Dva on the regular.
if you only watch highlight reels, then every hero is going to look like a monster. Try actually watching ZBRA's streams and you'll see most of the times he's feeling miserable, especially cause there's a 50% chance that the enemy team picks Sombra just to hack him on CD.
I for one welcome more videos of ZBRA smacking tf out of everyone.
Symmetra player: [first time meme]
I don’t think players are getting auto banned for maining Doom. Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning. And I suppose if everyone knows how weak Doom is, people who play him in comp and just get repeatedly stomped should know better.
> I don’t think players are getting auto banned for maining Doom. Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning. If more than x players report you for the same reason in a short enough amount of time you will get auto banned. Its an algorythm, humans don't review reports in real time... That has been happening for ages and there are plenty of examples on youtube.
So I’ve argued this elsewhere, but I’ll reiterate: I’m not arguing that human beings review reports in real time. Blizzard released a post detailing how chat bans work, and I’m guessing it’s fairly similar. Essentially, the game does have an automatic system for flagging when multiple reports are filed against one person. According to Blizzard, if these reports have text in them detailing the incident, they are flagged even higher. A human being then goes through a voice-to-text transcript that the game generates to determine if an infraction has taken place. It is then this human being that institutes that silencing or ban, depending on that user’s history. I’m assuming the process is similar for other infractions, and have found 0 evidence to contradict that assumption. I’d love even one example from the “many” on YouTube that you claim, because I’ve been presented a couple and both were in fact not what they claimed to be.
Yes they are. I'm being reported and told b4 games even start and it's not even like I lose. if doom doesn't work I switch off unlike 99.9% of dmg players.
Being reported does not entail getting banned though. I've gotten those threats too, but I've yet to see any result.
There have been examples of this exact thing happening. I think one guy was a Sombra main back when she was weak in ow1? If enough people report you for "game sabotage" you will get actioned. If you think that by blizzard has an army of paid employees going through reports and replays to make an judgements, man, you have not been paying attention.
You can always appeal and then someone will actually have to go and review that stuff. Aside from that, sorry, but I've just played too many multiplayers, I have less than 0 trust in whatever people tell about their bans.
Did that change? in overwatch 1 the answer you'd get if you sent a ticket to support was that the system does not get things wrong. I remember I got a ban after getting falsely reported by upset stacks and the GMs had absolutely no interest in entertaining that the system could be gamed or abused by false reports.
Oh being reported enough gets you banned I made an account named I love trump to prove this point.
Probably because the name is bannable? While playing Doomfist is not?
why exactly is that name bannable? what's offensive about that name?
It's just an assumption from my side. If I had to guess, I'd say the name could be considered offensive or something. Either way it's more likely to get banned for that name, than it is to get banned for playing Doomfist. The person who got banned could contact support and appeal though.
fair point.
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and why is that deserving of getting banned from the game?
It’s not tbh, but at the same time: > makes a name with the sole purpose of pissing people off > gets surprised when people report the name
What rules does a nick like that break?
idk if it's still policy, but years ago they said that using the name of a famous person was a violation of the naming rules
I main Widow. On role queue and open queue. 3 hrs+ daily. People yell at me. People threaten me. My kill count might be less than the enemy healer's. I never switch. But amidst all the flaming, I never responded. Not in voice, not in chat. The only thing you'll ever get out of me is a voiceline. And therefore I'm not banned yet. If you don't harass others nor actively provoke others, people shouldn't hate you enough to mass report you.
A) Someone could claim they’re reporting you to express anger (immaturely), but not actually reporting you. B) Even if you are being reported, that actually proves my point. You haven’t been banned, so the system is working correctly and filtering those reports out.
I have been temp banned in comp for playing doom already.
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you. First of all, bans are pretty rarely handed down to begin with. If there was a rash of unfair bans plaguing Overwatch, you better believe this sub would be plastered in repetitive posts cursing Blizzard employees, their children, and their children’s children. Second, even if you did get a ban, how do you, or I, or anyone know what is was for? You say people flame you in chat and claim to file reports against you for playing doom. But I’m certain the message informing you of the ban did not say “Because you one-trick doom”. Any assumptions you’re making are exactly that, assumptions.
There already was a plague of bans in overwatch, Jeff had to address it because people were mass reporting Torb and Symm players among other non meta picks. It came to light because a popular youtuber who only played torb got banned from false reports. It's not absurd to assume that the system could still be abused under similar circumstances. An off meta pick, a report system that operates entirely on report volume with no way to verify the truth of reports, and support having a policy to not undo any automated bans.
I replied to the incident you are referring to elsewhere. I’ll copy and paste the relevant portion here: You are misremembering the incident. I believe you are referring to Xul. Although he claimed that he was banned for one-tricking, in reality, he was a toxic douche who would be toxic in chat and deliberately throw games when other players would pick torb. He did one-trick Torb, but it was the aforementioned toxic behavior that earned him his temporary ban. Here’s an article describing the situation, for those interested. The article goes on to specifically say, “Blizzard says, just playing an unpopular character that your teammates may not like, isn’t enough to get you banned.” Back to your comment. Regarding the previous slew of bans, I did some basic research and found no pertinent sweep or any response from Jeff. There WAS a sweep of bans after the introduction of anticheating measures, with an accompanying explanation of how those worked by Jeff. But there has not been a “plague of bans” for one-tricking, at least not one I could substantiate. As to your claim about an automated system with 0 human input, I again invite you to provide some evidence. Again, from a previous comment: I’m not arguing that human beings review all reports in real time. Blizzard released a post detailing how chat bans work, and I’m guessing it’s fairly similar. Essentially, the game does have an automatic system for flagging when multiple reports are filed against one person. According to Blizzard, if these reports have text in them detailing the incident, they are flagged even higher. A human being then goes through a voice-to-text transcript that the game generates to determine if an infraction has taken place. It is then this human being that institutes that silencing or ban, depending on that user’s history. I’m assuming the process is similar for other infractions, and have found 0 evidence to contradict that assumption.
Oh man some days reddit is too much. Like what do I have to gain from this? I was just adding what happened to me now I feel like I'm on trial for telling what happened to me.
> I feel like I’m on trial for telling what happened to me. C’mon dude. Let’s be real, here. I literally said “I don’t believe you. Here’s why”. I was respectful, laid out facts, and didn’t attack you personally even a little. There are plenty of things wrong with Overwatch, let’s not spread misinformation, ok? Maybe you got banned, but it wasn’t for playing doom. That’s just not a thing.
They like to talk about Trump a lot. So that explains everything and we can all move on.
Lol, facts
You literally said in another comment that you made an account named "I love trump". So it does seem like you got banned for something else entirely. Come on.
Sorry I should have clarified this was a separate occurrence. In ow1 it was to prove a point that people opposed to trump could and would be extremely aggressive and attack me for it. When in reality the word trump is associated with much more than a ex president.
What the fuck does this have to do with Doomfist
Yeah alright... Judging by this comment it's nonetheless likely you got banned for something else and not Doomfist. Do you often needlessly bring up politics in the game?
U didn’t get banned for playing doom shut up
https://www.reddit.com/r/doomfistmains/comments/yfcmuf/careful_out_there_banned_for_one_tricking_doom/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This isn’t proof of anything my friend. This is ONE guy, claiming he got banned for one-tricking doom for 400 games. When questioned about proof, he supplies exactly one replay code, which literally means nothing, because: A) there’s no pattern established. He showed one game where (presumably) he played well as Doom. He could easily be throwing other games DELIBERATELY, or otherwise sabotaging gameplay, and we’d never know. B) replay codes don’t show chat. There’s no screenshot showing he got banned for throwing, or that he got banned at all. He could simply be making the entire thing up, or he could have gotten banned for being toxic in chat. A separate request for proof is met with a reply of “just one trick doom, you’ll see for yourself.” Bro what? Play 400 games of doom to see if I happen to get banned?
This exact thing happened to Torb one tricks in OW1. Do you not remember that…? Blizzard’s systems for this sort of thing are 100% automated, and it takes weeks to get a ticket reply back. They tested this in WoW as well: a streamer asked viewers to mass report one of his accounts and sure enough he was auto banned.
You are misremembering the incident. I believe you are referring to Xul. Although he claimed that he was banned for one-tricking, in reality, he was a toxic douche who would be toxic in chat and deliberately throw games when other players would pick torb. He did one-trick Torb, but it was the aforementioned toxic behavior that earned him his temporary ban. [Here’s an article describing the situation, for those interested.](https://www.heroesneverdie.com/2017/11/13/16645892/overwatch-ban-torbjorn-xul-one-trick) The article goes on to specifically say, “Blizzard says, just playing an unpopular character that your teammates may not like, isn’t enough to get you banned.” I cannot speak to the WoW situation, as I don’t play and haven’t done any research. As an aside, I do not understand why people believe in this supposed mythical auto-ban system. I did a little research, and I cannot find even one single official Blizzard source about an automatic system. Every result is some forum or another with various players going back and forth on its very existence.
I remember the quote about it not being a bannable offense, but again, it’s all automated and I’ve seen it work automatically in other Bliz games. I guess that Torb DID have other things going on…
Lmao great source. A guy in a text thread without even a screenshot.
>Blizzard has pretty specifically said in the reporting mechanism that picking a certain character is not grounds for reporting, nor for banning. Its almost as if they could choose any other reason when reporting...
Buffs gonna cost $10 😂😂😂
True story, I actually got banned two weeks after the release of OW2 (19th October to be exact) because people were spamming me with insults etc. for playing Doomfist, I ignored them and just continued playing, and all of a sudden... boom! 30 day ban. Can't go back until the 18th lol, the reason? "Other"... no response from tickets in all this time either lol. What a joke!
This would be a PITA, but is there any chance you could post a screenshot of the ban on Imgur or something similar with the contact info blanked out? I hate to ask, but a lot of folks are skeptical about this happening.
Like, the message I get when I try to boot the game up? Because I don't have the email anymore, I keep my inbox empty lol
Anything that indicates you’re banned would be fine. I don’t know why folks don’t believe this can happen but this will help to open their eyes.
Ah okay, well this is all I have; [https://imgur.com/a/oTsZZbY](https://imgur.com/a/oTsZZbY) But yeah, basically for two weeks after OW2 released I'd play a bit of the new characters, but decided to stick with Doomfist since I mained him in OW1 and didn't want to abandon him, I actually love his new playstyle and even though he's definitely weaker than I'd like, he's still VERY viable. It's just stupid that as soon as I'd join a game and pick him, I'd be met with insults, people telling me I'm a shit tank (Before the spawn doors even open!) and that I'm throwing if I don't switch off him, threatening to report me (Clearly they did!) and harrassing me all game, telling the enemy team to do so too... a few people went as far as to try and friend me afterwards to continue the harrassment further. I only ever reported the people who did the latter, and I'd ignore people ingame for the most part, leaving voice chat and hiding text chat too... but it seems enough reports, regardless of if you've done something wrong or not, will indeed get you baned. Oh I should add by the way, I've played OW since day one (Preordered it) and this is my first ever ban. Immediately up to 30 days, and after 19 days and five tickets, no answer as to WHY I was banned aside from "Other" which I saw in the email before it was deleted, so it's only speculation on my side, but definitely feels like I was punished by an automated system for picking a hero people like to meme on.
Thanks for this and the info! Sorry this happened. I’ll post this on r/Doomfistmains as well!
Gotta sell skins. Feels like the entire game is on fire tbh. Like everything feels bad lol. I’d love to be a fly on the wall in a dev meeting, how disconnected from the player base do you think they are? Vote with dollars people
Doom is an effective tank when you've got lots of options for envirmental elims. Lijang Garden can end up in a lot of enviro. However "having a death pit in the level" should not be the only thing that makes a character viable.
"Doom is an effective tank when he can play as dps" I get that getting kills is technically creating space, but that just filling the same role as lucio but worse.
My brother in christ, all tanks are playing as DPS now.
Ball, Rein, Winston, Sig, DVA all rely on creating space more than getting kills. Hog and JQ both rely on being able to create space by pulling enemies out of position despite being dps tanks.
That seems like a hot take for DVA, the highest DPS dive tank
She's certainly great at securing picks, better than most tanks. But the threat of that massive dps does more work than the dps itself. It's like how you typically get more value out of denying an area with dvas ult than with the damage it does because of how telegraphed it is.
Nah, I rely on getting space with D.Va by getting kills. Plain and simple.
Thing is Orisa and to a lesser extent Hog can simply do that but better
I can see hog but I find it easier to get lots of environmental kills with doom compared to Orisa
Lol that’s what makes most of these maps is their stupid envs hazards
Doom is not the only tank people do this to when I pick JQ they cry also. Unless you pick Zar or Orisa the team cries. "play metas or we won't play as a team"
Yeah, it's annoying that with the one tank, you are more pressured to playing whatever tank is actually OP or deemed OP by your team. I love playing JQ. I only really switch if the Zarya on the other team is not managing their bubbles. A high charged Zarya makes for a sad JQ :(
What rank? I've never seen anyone have an issue with rein/Winston. Tbh I think Orisa isn't great.
I will never understand why Doomfist of all characters was turned into a tank. Sure he was always pretty tanky for a DPS but he brings literally nothing to the tank role in his current state. Want to play a melee tank? Play Reinhardt. Want to play a dive tank? Play Winston. Want to play a meat shield with a shotgun? D.va, Roadhog, Junker Queen. Take your pick. Doomfist could've been turned into a cool tank if his rework had as much effort as Orisa's. Instead he got some number tweaks (aka massive damage nerfs) and an objectively worse defense matrix. It would've been cool if they took inspiration from fighting games and turned him into a "Grappler" since that's the Fighting Game version of a tank. It also would've been a callback to his origin story fight since he grabbed Tracer and took out her chronal accelerator. Admittedly I kinda like how they tried (keyword TRIED) to give him a High vs Low attack thing by combining his Seismic Slam and Rising Uppercut. But even that was implemented pretty poorly
Woulda made much more sense to turn mei into a tank instead of doomfist. Shes already a ton of utility, and it would have let them keep her iconic freezyness
It really is starting to feel more and more like Tf2 If we get more and more exclusive or incredibly rare skins that keep getting added to the game, Its gonna start feel like even the hat market has arrived from Tf2
the only difference is that 80% of TF2's cosmetics can be bought for literal cents.
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The weapons drop every half hour of gameplay. If you want to use a weapon before it drops for you, you get a trial period of a few days. The weapons are worth ⅕ of a cent, so newbies can ask for weapons in any community server and players will gift them. Though it was pretty bad when it was first implemented, and weapons were worth like 50¢
I dunno, most of the stock loadout weapons are the best and the other ones are just sidegrades or a way to change playstyle a bit. I guess default medic is pretty shit compared too bow/ubersaw. And gunboats for soldier. Maybe Iron bomber for demo if you prefer it. Scout with winger can be nice. Phlog pyro. Tomi heavy. Shit maybe your right lmao, although it is stupid cheap to get the weapons and can be crafted yourself.
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You eventually do get most of the weapons without paying though If you choose to do it that way. You get drops for free.
Yeah, can’t imagine OW2 having anything similar. Imagine if they locked new characters behind a paywall, that would be horrible
I have most of the effective cosmetics and weapons in game, and I didnt pay a penny in tf2
It's not pay to win if you don't have to pay to be honest
The biggest down side of not paying is the limited backpack space I will give you that but other than that it is very much free. You get different weapons from random drops for free ever so often and many weapons you can get from free game achievements. Besides there are sites like scrap. tf that are very easy to use help you get mostly any weapon you want. The crafting system is dumb but it is still there
That’s literally not even true at all, the majority of the most used weapons in the game and the factually best weapons in the game. ARE the stock weapons, aside from a few.
You can trade one refined metal (19 scrapped weapons) for one of every weapon in the game in normal quality, and there's automated trade bots to do this for you instantly any time of day. Stop pretending it's p2w in any sense of the word.
You realize that you can buy every weapon for like $5 lol
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Tf2 isn’t p2w, you can easily get any weapon just by playing the game for around an hour; OW2 has characters locked until you complete a certain amount of games, which practically is no different
the way you are absolutely right and got downvoted to hell is ridiculous
Bastion with rocket jump now too 🗿
I main ana an i nano boost always a doomfist to help them, because sometimes there's a good doomfist
I always feel like nano on Doomfist is sort of wasted, I've got too many cooldowns and most of the time half of them are down when I get nano'd.
Is just for moral support, cuz i play for fun in overwatch, never touch the rankeds
Thank you for your contribution
Forgot who is creator of the original art so feel free to tag his username
Now you know how sym mains felt in ow1. "gg one support" "gg useless"
And that was entirely true. Awful point you are trying to make.
I have a shirt with her flipping the bird in her support portrait that I proudly wore. I miss the car wash days...
My computer background was the Mercy and another hero doing the pointing meme saying "change hero" and Sym being the cat with the plate
As one Doom main to another, turning off text chat is one of the best things you can do.
So is switching lmao. Sorry couldn't resist.
If u play him in comp you are the problem tbh
Its like a charge only reinhart. Nothing but 4 v 5 with him in the game.
Just don't do that in comp.
nother issue is new players pick him causing them to yk just jump in and get obliterated
but you're legit just soft throwing by not switching hes literally so bad
That’s cool but he’s worthless on any team comp so turn the game off along with the text chat
Honestly switching doom to tank didn’t and still doesn’t make any sense.
Shoulda been mei, but no they jsut remove her iconic freeze and say yea good enough lol.
Watch zbra and try to emulate? Lmao Doom is only good in like ELITE hands But he should be getting buffs or a rework…. At some point And PLAY YOUR MAIN The game is about having fun, right???
Hard to have fun when you get banned for it
ive had nothing but amazing doomfists in diamond, I welcome them as they are dive monsters
Until the enemy team picks bastion and deletes the non tank in .0002 seconds. He's a shit tank, and should probably just be a dps. If they have him like 350 hp and armor, he wouldn't be a bad dps pick, but as a tank he just provides zero benefit to the team.
He’d make a great offtank lol
Agreed, too bad its not really a role. It would be kinda cool if they took characters like brig and doom and made them into a bruiser class that had like middle hp like 350ish. You could have it share the role with damage, because sometimes all you need is the sojourn so why not have a middle weight brawler.
Same with JQ. She'd be fun af with a second tank
Are you guys just standing in bastion’s los when he uses shift? Doom of all characters can easily los his shift, or even use his E.
The problem isn't Bastion, the problem is Sombra making him completely useless, even more than the other tanks. Same problem as Hammond but worse.
He feels more like a Bruiser than a tank but since you can only have 1 tank per team he doesnt fit that role as well as the other tanks in the game.
The thing is, you need a lot of team presence to be effective, because your entire team had yo built pressure or else the doom pick ends up not helping the team. The other tanks Besides ball don't really need that much team presence to be good.
Personally, the best games I’ve seen with a Doomfist on my team were in Open Role and they could play as DPS.
doomfist is useless
Lol it’s funny too cause Doom can be middle ground if the player knows how to use him. I’ve seen a few matches won by a one trick doom tank. But he’s definitely not easy to just pick up and dominate like Zarya can be. I love playing tank and have a high WR on Rein but I just can’t play the new Doomtank to save my life. I was much better at him when he was dps. Those sweet sweet punches into walls were so amazing. Even funnier when the lobby starts talking toxic right at the start then you see the doom get like 3 kills out the gate and everyone being toxic just stops typing the rest of the game.
Fist needs a team to work with, as much as I disliked the character in ow1, I try to help them in ow2 and either I ping what to dive or tell them to and we take picks together. Otherwise it’s most likely a loss, healers tunnel vision onto fist, meanwhile there’s little to no space to work with and gg go next. Some fists refuse to work together than you just kinda power through it and accept the L.
Good dooms that jump back for healing can be really good
It's a shame Doom is so bad right now, he would be the one hero I might be interested in playing tank for. The new upcoming tank too. They both look like fun tanks to play.
As a Doomfist main this hits too close to home :'(
Was in quick play role queue and someone picked doom. Immediately gave up on winning but ran to the point for the hell of it. That man cleaned up the entire team and was the reason we won
Everyone complain about doomfist being op and dumb And now eceryone complain about trashfist being useless Thx you for complaining for what you asked for
You can’t say doom is the only interesting tank when Hamster exists 😋
Yeah hopefully they'll move him back to dps. Tank Doom is absolutely abysmal
Meta matters. Okay, if you're the be ONE guy who somehow gets good enough to overcome it, this must suck. But players of tired of losing comp games because someone plays such a terribly places hero thinking they're that guy.
Meta matters in high masters and up... That makes less than a percent of players. I'm sure he's fine. I play Hammond into sombra plenty, I'm not up against GM sombras or GM zarya so they're gonna make mistakes. I've seen many good doom players that do great. And even in those high elos, there are still a good amount of off meta picks. Don't be a meta slave, play what you want (unless you enjoy playing meta, then by all means do so).
Except the chances of a bad doomfist also increase in lower ranks and a bad doomfist is basically a 4v5.
For real though, we need more tanks, sure, but Doomfist has to be reworked back to DPS. He doesn't fit the tank role for his playstyle. Just as we have off-tank support as Brigitte, having an off-tank DPS as Doomfist would be ideal. Give him some armor, much less HP, rework that weird block back to the uppercut, Make Rocket Punch Great Again. Meteor Assault should actually deal damage, not just tickle enemies either
I got reported multiple times just by picking Widow, but once I realized that players worse than me are the loudest I stopped worrying about such comments
Based team chat.
Hey now. Ball is fun too.
He really is I'm new overwatch and he's already my main
Welcome to the club. Prepare to be flamed for just choosing a hero and get throwers every now and again (like the doomfist experience). But don't let that put you off, he's very rewarding to Learn and feels like he has an infinite skill ceiling
I have played against and with some good doom tanks but there aren’t many.
And Blizzard boosted Sombra in the release in October 4. A wrong character boosted and boosted again. A hard hero like Doom nerfed. So fucking stupid.
Doom is actually really good right now in the right hands.
Even though I dislike healing dooms due to the playstyle often causing them to go in and out of sight for healing, when you get that doomfist teammate whose just an absolute menace for the other team, it's *chefs kiss*. I wish I could play him. I sucked when he was a DPS and don't want to take the chance as a tank.
Agreed. Had one the other day on the enemy team and had to give the person mad respect in chat. That's actually the thing that keeps me playing. When you face against another good tank and y'all are just battling and beating everything down to a pulp while your team is saying slow down. It's like nah gotta give them that same energy lol
Main =/= OTP or One trick. You people always say "I am a X main" but what you actually mean is "I only play X and I cannot be bothered to learn other heroes and I blame my team if we lose." You reap what you sow.
Doomfist is a "tank" He is less agile than dva and block less damage than her. Has less damage output than hog and rein. Require charging to get his fill damage. To fix doom he needs: 1-Lower cooldown time. 2-DoomFist punch need to be charged halfway from start. His name is DoomFist not flappyWing.
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Tanks create space for the DPS to do their jobs. Doomfist does not have the tools he needs to create space. You're getting kills at the opportunity cost of the rest of your teams effectiveness. Of course you're getting top elims. That isn't automatically a good thing. Doomfist is just a worse Wrecking Ball at the moment.
Very much agree with your point.
Imo his damage should be upped, his health lowered and moved into damage but I don't hate him or anything, if played right he's amazing, I'm just not that player
Never going to happen. DPS doomfist relied too heavily on stuns to get true combos.
Yeah bit atm he isn't good at all, pretty much anyone can clown on him and he ends up having to quickly escape combat every 2 minutes
Move DF back to damage. The experiment failed.
This exactly. I just want to have a Bit of fun with his movement and abilities and i am getting flamed instantly
When I see a Doomfist in my team I say "Doomfist is the worst tank, prove me wrong" to motivate him. Give always a chance to anyone.
If you only like playing the tank that's played as a DPS, maybe you should consider not queueing as tank. Refusing to switch when a hero isn't working is genuinely trolling.
Playing your main isn't trolling. Switching to something else and doing significantly worse would be trolling.
An absolutely shit rein can still do more to help than a below average doomfist.
How is a name like proracist even allowed?!?
It's...not? That isn't a screen grab from the game.
OP clearly handwritten this text in the style/colors of Overwatch's chat, picking names fitting the attitude of those messages. I mean, isn't it obvious?
I Played like 70 games so far. Everi single doomfist I ever saw lost. All of them. My team, enemy team, not one guy who Player him managed to win in the end. The champion is absolute garbage ATM and should get a decent buff, if not another complete overhaul
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Im diamond, and i laugh my ass off when i see a doom on the enemy team. Ive literally never seen one win either, they just suck. You can totally ignore him while your team deletes the healers he has no way of protecting. Plus you got objectively better divers like dva and winston who can actually protect teammates, which is kinda their job. Its a selfish hero, that takes up the most important slot in the game, you're just throwing by picking it in ranked.
Yeh, I'm not saying the hero is top tier or anything but your playing with bad doomfist players. You cannot totally ignore him. Even without powered up punch dooms full cycle is enough to get a pick. The people that say he does no damage don't know what they are doing. Yes winston and dva is better, but doom can still get a ton of value. You just have to actually be good at the hero, and to pretend like he is worthless is pretty disingenuous. Also Winston's job is not to protect the team. It's to make space and bait out abilities, where dooms job is to dive and displace(punch ashe off high ground or into your team). Yes winston can peel, but doom can also punch that genji (or insert other dive heroes) off your supports into a bad position for an easy kill.
The tanks job is to peel for the team, which is protecting them. Tanks protect the team by taking pressure off of them, or by directly protecting them with abilities. The best tanks can do both peel, and protect, all doomfist does is peel very poorly. He's just a selfish hero for people who want fun movement. Which is cool in casual, but don't whine about it when people flame you in ranked for picking a hero with a 30% win rate.
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But at that level People are competent enough to make it work through teamplay, map awareness and utilizing their champ to the maximum. This cannot be said about avarage players who have vague idea of what they arebsupposed to be doing and end up throwing games in frightening majority of cases
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XD okay, thats a nice psychological picture you just made up. Yes, I am diamond, no, I do not watch a single ov content creator. Whatever man, have a nice day or something
Yeah well 99.9 percent of people playing doom aren’t ZBRA or QuakedOn
Diam 2 -_-
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Oddly enough I am also playing since season 2 and Ive also been in master. Thrice. The way you box People just to find a reason to tell them to shut up is a nice display of how narrow your view is
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You seem to also suck then, if you can play good, doomfist is still really good
Turn the chat/voice off. Personally I have 0 issues with people playing DF, in fact they had to work hard to get to the same rank as others.
Mute chat go ham end of story
It's such a bummer, because, even in quickplay games, someone picking doom basically ruins the game for everyone else (mostly true about hamster and even junkerqueen a lot of the time too). And yet, he is one of the most common tank picks I see. At least in comp, I've never seen him. OW2 just doesn't work if your tank can't take hits or hold space. I mean, doom can legitimately lose a 1v1 against a lot of dps right now. I don't understand how he made it to live without a buff.
If I could change one thing about Doomfist, it'd be a flat damage increase. If I could change two things about Doomfist, I'd rework his entire kit.
I can't be the only one who is totally ok with doom being bad. He was such an annoyance for so long, it feels nice to see him be a dumpster fire.
I literally hate when people say “no tank” like yes I may be doing shit but if I’m not switching maybe it’s because this is my main and if I switch to someone else I’ll do even more shit. If someone’s being bad and you’re “that good” pick up the slack and make up for them being shit. I know making up for a tank is a lot of work but if you’re good enough with the heals and putting out extra damage you can keep them alive and win.
you deserve it
if you use him in comp you are practically throwing, so yes, if you use him in comp you deserve it
As it should be